Renault Clio Williams Homologation Special: A Bargain For 2022? | Carfection 4K
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The Hagerty UK Bull Market List is a collection of 10 cars that Hagerty thinks are going places over the next year. The Renault Clio Williams is a homologation special that could be a car worth the investment in 2022.
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The clio Williams was a bargain 10 years ago when it was half the price of today. In France, a nice one is about 30 000 euros
Clio Williams have already gone up through the roof ,trust me I used to own one and believe me you've missed the boat if you think you'll pick up a bargain now.
Oh I'm sure it's worth the swim to catch the boat
Thought so lol
30k for low mileage one now
Agreed - was looking at them last year for £12k and for £5k more was a Clio V6. Done deal...
I listen to Henry's voice and i continue with the wideo
When I had a lesser Clio, I remember visiting the dealership in East Yorkshire, finding a Clio Williams in the showroom awaiting it's new owner. The dealer principal told me the new owner was 78 years old, but also an ex-Spitfire pilot, who wanted "the last thrill of his life"... Sir, who ever you were, I hope you enjoyed that iconic car as much as I was envious of you!
Awesome!
986 Boxster has long been criminally undervalued. Loved mine - it was 3 grand!
Owned a 1993 Williams for 12 years.... what a car.... the best I ever had....in my opinion even better than the one I have now, a GTI 40 yrs edition. ..😭😭😭
My mate had one back in 1996
Lovely whips 👌
He rite it off .
A fantastic series - please keep this up. I also loved the series Carfection did on M3s. Could we have one on M5s? 🙏🏻
If I was being greedy I’d say this video would’ve been better if it was a little longer!
I had the privilege of owning a Williams 2 for 7 years and it was a pleasure hands down the best sports car I have ever owned every drive was an experience and it got so much attention!
"Here are some under-the-radar enthusiast cars that we're about to make unattainable by singing their praises on video..."
When I was younger I couldn’t afford/ get insurance cover on a 205GTi, Clio Williams/16v, or a Golf Gti now I’m heading towards 50 I can afford the insurance but not the cars 😅🙄 times change but to ability to own one doesn’t.
Nothing can beat the price/practicality/fun ratio of a humble hot hatch. Add to that a banging paint, gold alloys an homologation special pedigree and you have a cool car amongst cool cars.
Best hot hatch I've ever driven, maybe car...👍
And here was me thinking "this isn't news - the Clio Williams has been going up in value for years...!"
I bought mine in ‘99 and kept it for 4 years. I still miss it.
Clio Williams - 100% cool 😎👍. Back when hot hatches didn't need masses of horsepower/weight to have fun :). Also I love 0:46, that editing :). Great work Henry and Carfection ;)
Thanks Nathan!
@@Carfection np :)
I used to own Number 98 (Series 1) back in the day. One of my favourite cars I ever owned.
Every drive must have been special!
As others have commented, this seems an odd choice to me, as they've already gone up a lot. I think it's probably the 172/182 that's the Clio to buy, though they have already started increasing in value
Yeah agree the 172 cup and 182 trophy all day
172/182s are actually getting more and more difficult to find now, and prices are definitely starting to rise. Used to be easy to find one for £1500 - £3000 now they are more. Would be nice if the 200s will go up in value in the future, that's what I chose to buy (not that I plan to sell anytime soon and I didn't buy it thinking it would go up)
About a year ago i finalay managed to buy a good condition 182 it realy is a fun car to drive it puts a smile om my face everytime
@@melvinmartinali they are awesome little cars the Clios. 💪💪
Would really love to see Henry get behind the wheel of an SiR Civic, also built as Homologation specials, they had 160hp in 1990 and 170hp by 1993, from only 1.6 litres. They were also made in far larger numbers, in the 10s of thousands, rather than just a few thousand.
They were sold in the UK and Europe, with slightly less hp as the VTi, and the Japanese market models have been appearing in the UK as used imports for a few years now.
For sure. But I think the DC2 & DC5 integras are worth a visit too as values for these are set to go even higher, maybe a euro r too? Lots of interesting Hondas out there.
Very nice to see, which is business as usual with Henry 👍. I just wish there was a bit of dynamics... Appreciate the value of the car but I would bet tyres are not so fresh (by means of age, not wear) and one or two lift off oversteer would have made the video more exciting !
love the look of these, remember my neighbour had one when I was growing up so it has always been a "cool but attainable car"
Another Xmas crazker..
Keep ummmm coming.
Stay safe and keep upu the epic work.
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Great idea for a series! Carfection is a class above as usual.
Thanks so much!
It’s so funny to see and old Clio amongst the greats, but this car is definitely deserving of that position. Up there with the Golf VR6, Vauxhall Lotus Carlton and arguably the phase 1 Renault Clio V6. European hooligan classics…
Obviously meant *an not and there. Lol…
I remember these :). That Clio V6 is still crazy even compared to a modern GR Yaris and wasn't that Vauxhall in trouble with the government? xD
I'd probably just add an original John Cooper Works Mini to that list.., it would be epic to review & witness as a piece.
@@nathanb2100 Yeah I heard there was a thing with the Vauxhall/Lotus Carlton that it was too fast for even the UK police cars to keep up with it at the time, so it was generally driven by drug dealers and ram-raiders etc. for that reason. The UK government even tried to have it banned because it was relatively inexpensive and fast. This also inevitably added to the car’s infamy and ironically was the reason why it was so hot at the time. Me personally I just think it looks gorgeous. It’s the pinnacle of that old 90s saloon car style…
I also want to add the Citroen BX GTi to the list, especially in red. Thing just looks wacky. Plus, hydropneumatic suspension - enough said…
Williams have been commanding good money for some time. If we’re talking Clios, I bought a good condition 182 Trophy with 100k miles on for £7500 6 months ago. Low mileage original cars are already selling for over £20k and the market is still rising, with cheaper cars being dragged ever higher. Good news for me as I still get to drive and enjoy it without worrying about the value disappearing. Grab one whilst you still can, unbelievable fun on a B road.
Wow! What is the Trophy like? I almost got a 182 (cup or Trophy, I would have been happy with a cup still I'm sure) but ended up getting a 200 FF instead and absolutely LOVE it! I was so torn between a 200 or a 182 (don't like the 197 that much and 182>172 imo ) and part of me still isn't sure if I would prefer a 182, but I suspect the 200 is nicer to live with even if it is stiff as anything and bounces me out of my seat over some bumps haha. I've done 2k miles in 2 months of ownership so I care about the interior and stuff like that a bit. The main difference is how much lighter the older cars are, the 200 is over 1200kg which is light by today's standards but it barely has any more power than the 182 really and is significantly heavier) But the chassis is phenomenal, It's so easy to rotate and just wants to turn in faster and faster each time, absolutely fantastic on a B road! :)
I had a friend with a WIlliams Clio a loooong time ago. He took me for a spirited spin in a car park and I giggled like a school girl - at the time I owned a Vauxhall Nova Antibes with a leaky sunroof.
I've had the great privilege to drive in some fairly exotic cars since that tender age, and I can honestly say that the little Renault (closely followed by my girlfiriends Renault 5 in the late 90's) are still among the very best cars I've ever experienced.
They were a "bargain" five or ten years ago. The Clio Williams is _long_ past the bottom of its value curve. Great little car though.
When the Hagerty chap talks about similar era cars having "gone through the roof" in the majority of cases the big money prices are for _ultra_ low mileage, essentially NOS examples. When one of those makes a big price then for a time anyway people selling much lesser cars of the same model think theirs is just as "valuable" and for a time a few buyers think the same, but it quickly enough stablises.
Yes there was the what 30K plus? Pug 205 GTi, that fell out of a time machine where the original paint was still wet, but now they run anywhere between 5k for a ropey example to 15k for a half decent one with a couple of dealers chancing their arm above that. And I can't see how something like the Renault 5 GT turbo values "have gone through the roof" either given the average price seems to be between 10-15k Sterling and they've been like that for a good while now.
Interestingly the 90's Japanese stuff have gone up in value over the last couple of years and they don't have any of them in this Hagerty expert guide. Never mind that the Hagerty chap suggested the Williams 3 as a good bet, when if you're looking to "invest" the 1 is clearly the model to go for.
TBH this just sounds like industry marketing speak hoping to increase the perception of higher values for these cars and hoping it will reflect reality. Though of all the ones I can see in their lineup the Porsche Boxter is a car that is a good bet. Under appreciated and undervalued for too long.
Someone has just posted a car on PH that they found in a shed. It's done 9K miles and looks absolutely mint, top and bottom. Comes with Williams hat, jacket and watch. What ever the top is with these cars I suspect this is the one that will find it.
@@TheMoonigans Yep Paul, that one will, or should go for very good money. After which every guy with a Williams he dug out of a ditch(needs some work) will be looking for the same price. 😁
What a good idea for a series of videos!
Another good one Henry & Crew. Cheers!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
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Happy holidays!
That ship has sailed I’m afraid, so get yours 19 16v ph1 while you still can.
Very simmilar driving experience to the Williams, especially once swapped for Williams powertrain.
I for damn sure won’t ever be letting go of mine, not for the value, but for the sheer driving experience that it provides me with.
While being faster and more capable in terms of performance, my 275 Trophy was unable to fill its shoes.
I had a meg 250 cup but have driven a Williams and used to own a Valver. The Clio imo was 100 times more fun! So raw, light, hyd steering...the likes we'll never see again 😢😔
Just ordered an i20N. Hoping that it's 75% of that old clio...
Here in France impossible to find they were put into storage years ago for collectors....
There’s alot more Peugeot Gti’s, but then even tatty high mileage examples will sell for 8 ~10000 Euros.
Great feature this, just wish these films were longer, so much more that could have been said on every car.
I'd love to see Harry review an Evo IX FQ360 as listed in his Top 10 all time favourites.
The clio hatch is one of my favourite such a hoot to drive every mark of clio is
Great video! Any thoughts towards the Renault twingo RS Gordini's future?
Can't wait to see the Boxster Review :)
I had a Clio 16v in dark blue back in the mid ‘90’s… loved that car. Couldn’t afford a Williams back then.
Same here mate!! Still the most fun car I've ever owned and had a few...
My dad managed to get the Williams 2 as a company car...! I used to drive her a lot when home on leave . What a car. Lucky enough to get a Clio 197 lux with the cup chassis later on in life but just didn't feel as perky...still that was a joy to drive !!
Was more looking on info on the car, that scoop in the hood always interested me yet wherever i ask ive never been told what it actually does, it doesnt feed the intake so what does it do
Always wanted one of these when was a teenager Good to remember.
Back in the days I had a green Clio 16V. The Williams was too expensive...
Thank you Henry & Carfection for uploading this, as a tribute to the late Sir Frank Williams who died last month...RIP
We actually shot this before the man himself passed away, but it's nice to be able to share it with you now.
I narrowly missed out on a 182 a few months back for just over a grand. Bit of a project but looked sound. I feel like the missed opportunity will haunt me in the not so distant future.
Bought mine for £1800. Worth ten times that now. I've driven it round Angelsey as seen here too :D
I got to know about this car because of Forza horizon 4, although it may not be the fastest car around, it is one of the most fun cars to drive around and race in game along with the Ford escort mk3.
I love these, they’re so cool. I think the prices have already gone up, a lot.
Damian from the The Car Guys, probably owns the finest Clio Williams (Williams II) of all. And he deserves it, as he is a true enthusiast, and not a speculator.
Such an amazing car. Such pleasure to drive it. A giant for the 3.71m lenght car . Please try one if you can. Tremendeous experience
Cool video. I have number 181 and she's covered only 9232 miles.
Love it🥰
I’m so lucky to still have my Williams 1 No 112 in storage, do you keep it forever or sell at its peak in price 🤷♂️
I think most of the cars here have already appreciated somewhet.
986 Boxster was pennies on the dollar pre corona, now they're asking about 4 times what it used to be...for a car with an even less reliable engine than the 996's.
The Clio Williams as many have noted has already gone through the roof, I'm seeing 205 GTis worth less than this and that was arguably a more landmark a car. I've read that this might be the best hot hatch ever though so I dunno.
Money talks I guess. Too much of it around on everything.
The 205 was not as good as the Williams, and it's not rare at all. That's why these are more expensive.
10 years ago yes, you could snatch them for around 2-5k. now... the prices are moving toward 911 930 prices, it's just nuts.
You have missed that boat lol
I had one back in the days... It was a first production run #129, I sold this to a younger guy who literally destroy it in a crash, he runs out of the road in a field, there was a big rock and the car crashed on it, the low engine exploded while tho motor was still running, dead car in a few seconds ! I was very angry and that is one of my biggest mistake ! ;-)
😭😭😭😭😭😭 SADDEST STORY
Definitely one of the best handling cars I ever owned 👌
Greatest hot hatch ever made imo. If you know you know!! 👌
Tipped to appreciate.... surely it already has, brilliant but totally inaccessible to most now.. best look for a Clio cup...
This is not about cars anymore! It’s about buying low and selling high!
The Clio Williams is just another stock in the speculative classics market
We're sharing these car for the enthusiasts to have fun with them before they become unattainable to most of us.
@@Carfection I’m thankful for the work you do with this series!
“This is not about cars anymore!” The this is the current state of the market!
Didn't realise how good a car my 16v was until years after I sold it for £500
I look out for them occasionally but they're mostly all gone now and the few that are left are £5k
50th Like!!!! I still run a French Hot Hatch in 2021!!
The William's 2 also had sunroofs 😜
I was always under the impression that the Clio Williams was some real firecracker Hot Hach but having seen the specs (137 bhp, Top Speed 130 mph, 0-60 mph, 7.7 secs, Torque 158 Nm, Curb weight, 981-1024 kg, ) I'm of the opinion that my 1991 Toyota Corolla Gti-16, with 165bhp and weighing 1070 Kg would be more than a match match for it, Let me know if you fancy a race
Such a bummer you can't get one of these in America
Nice video, but it feels like you're underselling the Clio Williams. Evo rated it as one of (or perhaps the "actual"?) greatest hot hatch of all time. Either way its a full on classic now. Front wheel drive cars don't handle like that any more.
Keep telling people this!!! I've driven loads of hot hatches in my time and just ordered an i20N..
The Clio Williams is the greatest hot hatch ever made!!
As others have mentioned I think they have already started to increase significantly in the last 5 years or so. Perhaps a Clio Trophy would now be where the smart money goes!!?? Still a fantastic car none the less!
What about the DC2R? Clean one will be worth lots of money I expect
Crazy prices in the US, everywhere else between 15-25k(euro/dollars/stg). Though that's about double of what they were three or four years ago.
😅 Trust me it is too late : Clio Williams are definitely not cheap at all in France. C’est très cher !
The story of this car stills well presented 👍🏽
In reality the ship as sailed on anything at all desirable, that's you need to know👍
A lot faster than my rental diesel Clio!
Limited edition hot hatch more interesting for me than super car
my dream car...
I wanted to see this
Then I realize is Hagerty
Wanted more
30 Something CD👌
In the netherlands thy cost 25k to even 31k........
Sounds like there are more Williams than there are 16v clio's !?
I went looking through the classifieds for these a couple of months back, thinking they’d be £8k - £10k, how wrong I was! In reality at the same money as an E46 M3, I know which way I’d be going!
Unless it's a CSL no point they're ridiculously common.
I'd rather have the Clio
Clio anyday!!!
Still got the 182 then...
I think my cow market cavalier 1.6L, number 10987 is going to be worth £100k next year. 🤣🤣
I agree with some of the comments, the Clio Williams isn't what I would call a bargain at the moment. It's in similar price range as a 205 GTi. Hagerty isn't looking very hard in their crystal ball for this one.
It's in the same price range but it was a much rarer and better car. It'll go up a lot, also because they rust a lot and parts are impossible to find. It deserves to cost 40K...and it will soon
So sad to see this ..I had number 152 and it was stolen and stripped...why I have no idea...:(
One of the best cars I was ever stupid enough to sell. And I’m pretty stupid. Still have the 986 though 😂
Henry Catchpole and Carfection are postmen because they always deliver
Hahahhah 😂😂😂😂
What happened?
No bargains their prices have been high for a couple years and you barely find decent ones
In italy theese have been like unicorns for 10 years already, i’ve seen only 1 in my life 😅 i’ve seen more f40s 😂😂😂
The AMG 2 l turbo should fit. HAHAHAHA!!
Cool car but I wouldn't pay 30k for one...
lol my thomas has a clio williams
Clio 182 trophy is still a bargain
With the best respect; you don't need anyone from Hagerty to tell you that the Williams Clio 1 is going up in value/collectible. They started doing this the day they stopped production on it...
I would have loved to hear and see it at full attack
Get to the Westy already!
No bwarp?
So get this right, buy a car at this price to look at it just, ok!
So a bargain would truly be that you are getting value for a cheaper price right? Is there truly a lot of value here?
I wouldn't have paid rock bottom prices for a Williams.
Nice looking cars, shame about the shoddy build quality
I've got one but unfortunately its on forza motorsport
Renault should do a Hommage to this car, no? It would be rather cool!
They have an electric homage to the Renault 5 on the way. Excited to see that!
@@Carfection I do love the little Renault 5, we had one a few years ago, but when it comes to that model line, the upcoming „Turbo 3“ restomod is what really interests me..! ^^
I never bought one of these because i hate the interior....it looked so dated even when it came out new