A Chess Problem That's Hard To Believe
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Puzzle FEN:
k7/8/2K5/pp3q2/8/8/8/2Q5 w - - 0 1
Puzzle Details:
J. King, B. Horwitz, 1851
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A perfect moment to put Hikaru's "check, check, check, check, check, check" in
i promise i was thinking the exact same thing
that really blew my mind the first time I saw it
Hikaru: Oh! It's a staircase right? We go check check check check check check check Qe7 and that's how you win that's it yeah
Dude I saw that clip a few hours ago and that made me think of the staircase
Same
3:35 its actually a draw Nelson after we trade the queens we can capture the pawn on b5 and attack the a pawn
Yeah but its not a win anyway, so…
@@okamtzy it's still better to say things correctly. Nelson said it was a loss which was incorrect as it takes only a few seconds to find the draw, which feels sloppy.
on the bright side, it does farm comments from people pointing it out over and over, though that's very annoying as a creator IMO
That's what I was thinking
No because you can play brook to j16
Exactly
Saw the staircase, unfortunately, went all the way until the king and could not see how to finish it up!
Me too, lost sight of the problem we needed to solve.
"Knowing what to do is wisdom, but knowing when to stop doing it is freaking genius." (Shakespeare, or Plato, or Confucius, or someone else)
Almost same as i found the e7 but delayed by staircasing all the way to d6
One small point, at the end of the study, Black can avoid Qa7# by making luft... Qg8 or Qh8. This enables the alternate mate, Qb7#.
First Study I immediately saw the correct queen move and all correct follow-ups. I am very proud of myself right now.
You aint the only one
@@Narufannykulapu-lapu Good job, dude
I found the maneuver myself when I looked at board at 6:18 and paused the video, put the position against highest level Stockfish and I failed to find the Qe7 move for white after 10mins of practicing.
3:25 actually, after the queen trade the king can go down and capture both of the pawns since the black king is too far.
Yes but that's still just white to TIE, not white to win.
Its a draw but we want win
Love the story with the 3 Fishermen
Am curious how you made up the story :)
Really a good story 👍
At 8:36, it may not be a win, for White, if Black forced the Queen trade, but you said White would lose. Surely a draw? Q xQ check;
K x Q; the K can take both pawns.
Wanted to write same thing
Amazing puzzle Nelson. I loved it❤❤
At 3:28, after the queen trade, Kxb5 deaws the game if white plays correctly and white doesn't lose.
I found the first queen move by myself and I feel amazing
This is one of the first puzzles I've solved on my own. I found every single line all by myself. I must be getting better.
Good job. @@KenFullman
But I also think thats because this puzzle is straightforward
@@MellopellowChesss Please don't spoil it for me. I'd rather believe that this is a very difficult puzzle and I only solved it because I'm brilliant.😁
@@KenFullman good mindset
found this one straight away happy noises
Queen showing some elegance in that one.
Amazing study !!
This is so practical (and interesting), I found Qh1 when starting considering avoiding the WQ forking and trading. Thanks.
Thanks a lot - great puzzle
i love your puzzle videos
Bruh that was crazy. I saw the staircase in advance after we got partway through the study, but the coolest part imo is when and how it stops. Really impressive stuff
I'm glad that I've noticed everything, I'm slowly improving
probably the first time i managed to predict every single move
I solved this INSTSNTLY when I looked at it because I am very familiar with this pattern and the qe7 maneuver.
Nice puzzle keep it up ❤❤
Nice one! I got them all correct, even the ladder part, but I failed to find the last blow.
Almost same as i found the e7 but delayed by staircasing all the way to d6
this looks like the hikaru game where he ran the king into the corner
Nitpick - at 3:33 after the queen trade white will not lose; it will be a draw since King can take two black pawns.
The Queen in chess is never happy with a draw.
If trade is accepted then it’s a draw. Check, black king take’s queen and white king takes the pawn which also makes him get closer to the other pawn
If black plays for a draw in this position white cannot prevent it?
These are great chess puzzles. Just wish I had memories like GM chess players. Thanks for sharing.
I was so happy to find the stairs I became a beggar on horseback and rode the thing until it collapsed.
I actually was able to find all the moves, including the staircase in the end and was really excited about it
3:33 I dont think you would lose as after the king takes the white king can take both pawns
where is bobby fisherman?? I know people sometimes ran out of story idea but you already the officer going to average joe to give him a puzzle and at bobby fisherman side, there is the competition.
Great niche you have, doing these wierd puzzles. Like the content.
“Classic right triangle” -Hikaru, probably
Nice puzzle. I think i need a meme for that moment 8:09 :D "tututututu"
Wow, that’s some incredible queen precision!
Another great puzzle
3:33 bro that’s clearly a draw. You can take both of those pawns
Amazing!
And if black responds with 1... Qf7 (to prevent mate on b7), then 2. Kb6 Kb8 3. Qh8+ and black is a goner. Took a few seconds to see this... anyway, what a position.
The staircase is the hikaru moment
I find Nelson's analyses fascinating
im surprised i actually found the first move instantly
One of the best chess quiz ever
This is why king safety is the most important thing in Chess. In this puzzle, black is up 2 pawns but because of very poorly black's king position. Black loses!
Unless if black has 5 more queens guarding your king
Not king safety, king activity in the endgame
@@aronuchukwuezugo615 King activity is important, but king safety is more important. Having an active king doesn't matter, if you get checkmated
Staircase puzzle, Nice
One of the things I am learning is that the checkmates in puzzles like this come from ways I never expect, which of course is why it is a puzzle.
I was thinking, "Okay, you are going to have to position your queen in such a way so as to skewer the black queen and get it off the board." Stupid me. The way to win puzzles like this is to take advantage of the positioning of the opponent's pieces, not necessarily look for ways to trap their pieces.
But I only have a score of 24, so that shouldn't surprise anyone. Lol.
Thanks, Nelson. Great puzzle and great job as always. Your channel is so much fun.
I agree. Most good puzzles are solved by a "paradoxical move", that seems "beautifully weak" at first. But then you start realizing the concept, and that is the learning experience.
You should have put the Queen on h1 and have black to move and ask people to find the best move. He's ahead by two pawns, has the move, and not in check. And yet despite this, he's still lost. I think you can even put an extra black pawn on the f file and have him three pawns ahead and still doomed.
Nice one
The famous book by Kling and Horwitz is on-line.
However, ist is written in the infamous descriptive notation.
As a 600 elo player, I can't believe I found the first move
Superb
not J. King, B. Horwitz, 1851 but J. KLING, B. Horwitz, 1851
Awesome 👌
00:09 Imagine playing black, white offers a draw and you arrogantly decline with two passed-connected pawns up, Then your opponent thinks for a while, moves Qh1, and smiles back at you. 🤩
You should never decline a draw offer until your opponent has made a move. The offer remains binding.
White can force a draw from this position, which is a fine result.
I havent played seriously for over 6 months, like, if i didnt start training again a week ago, id prolly miss that move, glad that my effort is paying off again
Solved everything 😊
Ina time he had quenn a8 for forced stale mate
Queen to h8 doesn't lose it ends in a draw. Both pawns can be taken.
4:42 agadamator's vibes :)
@Chess Vibes theres a Rare Alekhine's defence that only happens on 10 games which is called the "Monkele MBembe", can you make a video about that?
Im sorry but can someone explain why the staircase is not considered draw by repetition?
Draw by repetition involves repeating the same _position_ three times (specifically: all the pieces are in the same place, the same player has the move, and any castling/en passant move rights are the same). Although the white queen's moves during the staircase maneuver are similar moves, no position is being repeated because the white queen lands on a new square each move.
idk if i am missing something but in 8:27 can`t the black queen move to c7 and force a queen trade?
I have always thought of the chess queen as a vampire, because of the kiss of death checkmate, in which she moves directly adjacent to the king, and then she gives him a venomous kiss on the lips, and then she bites his neck and drinks his blood. If the queen is aggressively pursuing the king, then she is a thirsty vampire queen.
The first move is obvious - 0.5seconds. The staircase manoeuvre is very nice, though.
I'm glad that I found Qh1
I immediately beat this puzzle
Super Mario in the background XD.
Hell yeah, I calculated everything, im so happy
at 3:01 cant black move queen to c8 to stop checkmate?
Can somebody want play with me "No capture peaces" chess match?
Normal chess rules, but no capture, if you capture one peaces, you are lose to games
Great one...
And it made me feel good that I immediately saw that the answer had to be Qh1 to avoid the Black's checks , and then I saw the staircase idea seconds later. I did miss the idea that Black could move his king, but once he pointed it out, was able to see what to do in that instance.😎
does it make you feel good to blatantly brag in the TH-cam comment section
@@bene2451 why do you care, if they are proud and want to share it, good for them. I could ask you a similar question, does going after people in the comment section make you feel good?
3:36 I am pretty sure you can draw but you said you will loose. Just take their queen, king takes, you take pawn, and then the next pawn.
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Here's a fun variant. It looks even scarier, but it's white to play and mate in 5:
k7/8/2K5/1p3q2/2p5/1p6/p7/2Q5 w - - 0 1
But it's totally different then, as Qh1 doesn't win anymore, and you only win thanks to Qa3+
Very nice.
Why doesn’t QH8 work? I’m sure it does.
Black queen blocks white queen takes black king takes white king takes b 5 and then on to take -a5 (a4)
Because you change a forced mate into a draw?
Could Peter Patzer or Average Joe solve this?? Love that series, Nelson.
What about queen to f7 for black?
my first instinct of Qh1 was somehow correct lolol
as a 700 it was nice to have a puzzle that I was able to keep up with.
What If white QH1 then black to QF7
Why not start with queen h6?
I knew the move!
Stockfish says it's mate in 12. Amazing.
1. Qh1 Qc8+ 2. Kb6+ Kb8 3. Qh2+ Ka8 4. Qg2+ Kb8 5. Qg3+ Ka8 6. Qf3+ Kb8 7. Qf4+ Ka8 8. Qe4+ Kb8 9. Qe7 Qa6+ 10. Kxa6 Kc8 11. Kb6 Kb8 12. Qb7#
The funny thing is, if you put the b pawn on b5 (which looks like an even better position for black), it's now mate in 11:
1. Qh1 Qc8+ 2. Kb6+ Kb8 3. Qh2+ Ka8 4. Qg2+ Kb8 5. Qg3+ Ka8 6. Qf3+ Kb8 7. Qf4+ Ka8 8. Qe4+ Kb8 9. Qe7 Qe6+ 10. Qxe6 a5 11. Qe8#
And if you move the paws further forward, it can even become a mate in 10. If you start with the pawns on a4 and b3, Stockfish gives this line:
1. Qh1 Qc8+ 2. Kb6+ Kb8 3. Qh2+ Ka8 4. Qg2+ Kb8 5. Qg3+ Ka8 6. Qf3+ Kb8 7. Qf4+ Ka8 8. Qxa4+ Qa6+ 9. Qxa6+ Kb8 10. Qb7#
Moving the pawns to a3 and b3 would be bad for black, as it allows this mate in 5 via a different idea. Same for a2 and b3.
Most other arrangements of the pawns are mate in 10 for black(!)
Fun problem!
i would have just played queen a8 forced stalemate
I can proudly say, that I figured this one out!
Why we cant go to h6??
How about queen c8
Damn, I feel like I should've been able to see that, but NOPE. Excellent video...
Is it Qh1?
4:20 Lets dont look at the checks but rather looking at black Qf7. That explanation is missing.
Holy crap THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IVE ACTUALLY SOLVED ONE OF THESE PUZZLES! I don’t care if my elo is low I’m proud of myself 😌
Me too, I found Q-KR1
qh1 I think is first move
At 3:35 it's a draw. If you have common sense to grab the b5 pawn after queen trade and then to take a file pawn also. NOT EXPECTED FROM NELSON TO SAY LOSS.
Im 200 elo (i just reached yesterday), and i found out 3 moves that he said, im just better, im just that guy
This one was easy. Qh1 the only obvious candidate.
6:19 why don’t you force a stalemate by Qa8+ ?
More funny 😆
It wouldn't be stalemate, king can take the pawns
I was debating between Qh1 and Qh6, why doesn't Qh6 win?
Idea is that the king walks to a6
It doesn't allow to break the queen checks with a counter check. When the queen is on h1 and black puts the white king in checks, the white king can sidestep. This will be a discovered check (the queen on h1 puts the black king in check). So the black king has to move which prevents black to go on with queen checks.
Got it! My 2000elo is working