Fanatec Podium Shaft Extension for DD1/DD2 - Review and Test with Z Ring Quick Release Modification
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hi guys! I'm so excited to finally release this video. This upgrade to my simracing cockpit is something I've had on my mind for many weeks - and besides the time needed to problem solve my way through it, the flu also took two weeks away from it.
Nonetheless - here it is! My Fanatec Podium PS4 (DD1) now has a 125mm shaft extender purchased from Rudolf Kraus (www.ebay.com.au/usr/rk_engine... Rudolf makes extenders for the Fanatec DD1 and DD2 (they are interchangeable) in lengths of 75mm, 100mm and 125mm and - spoiler alert - they're great.
While upgrading my Podium wheelbase I also took the opportunity to fit a Zappadoc Z ring - which I thought would be simple and quick, but turned out to pose the biggest problem of the entire shaft modification.
3D printing was a new endeavour for me before this video but WOW - it was fantastic learning the process and I can't wait to see where it will lead me from here on.
I hope you find the video interesting and informative!
Downloads available here:
www.dralanquan.com.au/downloads
Source websites for resources used in making this video:
zappadoc.com/podium-dd1-and-d...
www.thingiverse.com/thing:487...
Inspiration videos/channels for this video:
@danielmorad • 5 SIM RACING ACCESSORI...
@T.S.CUSTOM • Sim Racing FOV Extensi...
Intro music - "Gang" by Jiglr
0:00 Introduction
0:32 Why do I need a shaft extension?
1:22 All the mods before install
1:35 The shaft extension kit
2:54 The shaft support bracket
3:40 The Z Ring
4:26 Installation
7:31 First impressions
8:47 Redesigning the Z ring
8:58 Notes on image quality
9:16 Modified Z ring impressions
10:43 a THIRD go at the Z ring?
11:18 Driving Impressions of the Shaft Extension
13:36 Conclusions and final thoughts
#simracing #fanatec #DD1 #dd2 #shaftextension #3dprinting - เกม
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Really solid presentation style. Also, your dressing sense is very elegant. It goes hand in hand with the presentation. The tone, camera angles and overall production quality is really well done!
Hi Darth, thank you for checking out my channel! Let's keep upping the ante and we'll chat again soon 🔥🔥🔥
@@DrAlanQuan Will do, Doc! Will do. 😄💪🏼
Looks awesome man and good work on the shaft housing👍🏾
Thanks Ewen! Can't wait to put some miles on this thing.
I'm impressed with your 3D modelling skills.
I had a 200mm shaft extension on my Simucube 2 Pro, but I've later rebuilt the rig and taken it off - due to mechanical concerns.
Thanks Henrik, it was fun learning the software and completely overdesigning the bracket! I'm curious about your mechanical concerns about the extension - was there any evidence of risk? Overheating, noise, vibration, visual signs of concern?
Would you run a 200mm extender with a support bracket?
@@DrAlanQuan I believe Simucube recommends that you don't use extenders longer than 100mm.
My worry was when guests go in the rig, they will likely brace themselves on the wheel when getting in and out - like you often do in a real car. And those forces get multiplied a lot when you get some cantilever-action going.
A support bracket could help, but I'm not sure 3D printed would be strong enough 🤷♂
I removed the extender when I rebuilt my rig, and I saw a way to modify it so I didn't need the 200m extension anymore
mixing dental stuff with tech is super interesting, keep doing that🔥
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"I am not an engineer." ... then starts to engineer a proper looking bracket. 👊👊👊
I just wanted it to look right and work well, so I just kept throwing more and more strengthening elements until it felt right 😂
Hey Alan - awesome video and result! Im feeling you on the 3d printed Z ring you really had to do a lot of back n forth!. i was lucky some years ago - it was version 12.b or alike from a different dude and it worked perfect- i still have 2. But your Custom support bracket is impressive! Really good idea and well designed! You say its rugged, i belive you but my experience is that forces from the wheelbase could brake it anyway, and i have worked with bearings for 20 years and that bearing will deff will last longer :P
Looking forward to race you soon again :)
thx for the video!
Ps. that shaft looks shiny!
Hi Daniel great to hear from you again. Thanks for your kind words - I'm hopeful that since the shaft extender itself is already so rigid, the support bracket is really there for decoration and not really subject to significant forces - but again I'm no engineer so it's pure guesswork. I'll let you know if I encounter any issues.
The extender is fantastic! Really happy with it. I'm watching your latest video now 👍
this was helpful as i was looking to do the same to get the monitors and fov bang on.
Nice, glad it was useful!
Nice video as always, you have some excellent 3d design/printing abilities for a beginner!
I had a look at some teardown videos of your wheel. It appears to be pretty beffy inside.
Time will tell if the extension has any significant effect on wear.
Time will tell indeed! Though it's important to note that I spend so much less time actually racing these days than I used to. Hopefully that can change and I can get back into racing more frequently soon.
Thanks for your kind words :D
need this for my clusport DD ASAP !!
Check out this TS Customs video th-cam.com/video/i7wiul2Dzqw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ePZIj967Rwc1w-Yr
3 weeks ago he had a prototype installed, he might have the final product ready to go by now 👍
woow thanks@@DrAlanQuan
Hi Alan, the link to Rudolph's Ebay site makes it seem like he isn't selling this anymore? Do you know if that's the case?
Hmm it certainly looks that way. Perhaps he's on vacation and removed listings until he returns?
I haven't spoken with Rudolf for a couple of months now so I can't give you a definitive answer.
So when you extend the shaft, increasing the forces, is extra lubrication required to reduce friction 😂🤣?
Whatever floats your boat Bruce!
Thanks Alan for your sharing. What 3d printing material you would reommond please?
I have very limited experience, only 6 weeks, but I've had good results with Esun PETG (the only material I've used)
i used high torq mode and 80% of max 20NM. Is the Z Ring or the QR1 strong enough to hold the steering wheel? i am a bit worried to break it if not using the screw. But i do want the convinence when swapping wheels.@@DrAlanQuan
@@raphaelliu68 I've had the Z ring fitted for 3 days now! Can't really talk much about longevity but I will say this. The Z ring isn't really a load bearing part. The indexing of the wheel to the shaft is handled by the 5 spring loaded balls and the single trapezoidal key of the QR interfacing with the corresponding detents on the metal shaft. The Z ring bevel just adds onto the back of those, but it's not a primary source of indexing - and even then, the forces on the Z ring are all compressive which is good.
Time will tell, and others who have used the Z ring for longer may have better insight - but I don't see any issue with longevity based on my understanding of physics and material science.
@@DrAlanQuanThanks Alan for your explanation. U gave me enough confidence to have a try. Appreciate your help.
Would you be interested in making a extender shaft support for 75mm extension???
Awesome video- appreciate your passion, the time you have takin to make this video to share… ❤️Som Racing ✌️🤘Woo Woo
Hi Elvis, thanks for getting in touch ❤️ I've been in touch with both RK Engineering and TS Customs who make these extenders, and the consensus is that up to 75mm there's no need for a support. If you put a podium hub and a third party wheel (as encouraged by Fanatec) you pretty much extend the shaft by about that much so the wheelbase should be able to handle it standard. The support bracket does also add bulk around the shaft extender which can limit how low you place your monitor if that's something you want - so there's some drawbacks to using a support bracket to consider as well.
That being said, it would be fun to design a support bracket for 75mm length and I could do it, but there's a lot of other projects I'm working on that are taking priority at the moment. Maybe you could design and share a 75mm support bracket!
@@DrAlanQuan
Thank you for such an amazingly quick response- very very nice work, hope you got the rest set the way you wanted- if so how’s does it compare- should make a follow up video so we all could see how it came out…
Will do… am also a designer - positivity send your way good luck on your projects- completely understand ✌️ Have a great afternoon Alan👍
Thanks and good luck to you too! See you in the next video!
Salve sono in procinto di stampare le parti in 3D. Possibile sapere quale cuscinetto a sfere è stato utilizzato per il supporto? Ne ho trovati tanti ma con caratteristiche diverse. Grazie mille.
Hello it is the 6807
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@@DrAlanQuan si d'accordo ma con queste misure e codice 6807 ci sono delle sigle tipo " ENDURO LLU MAX" "ENDURO LLB" "2RS" "34 2RS". Non so cosa prendere.
@@Piter1655 The "2RS" I think means it has shields covering the bearings on both sides. You can see in the close up shot at 03:05 that my bearing is labeled "6807RS" on the shield and actually on the ebay listing it is "6807-2RS"
Good luck!
@@DrAlanQuan Perfetto grazie mille
On why the wheel does not go on...did you calibrate your filament. over extrusion can be the reason it's not fitting.
Hey there, no I did not - this video was filmed when I was a complete novice and did zero calibrations at all. Interesting thought about over extrusion.
Everything that I designed was dimensionally accurate when I did measure the products from that printer on default profiles (Prusaslicer and a MK3s), and the eyeball test in my opinion still stands (trapezoid on the QR, rectangle on the Q ring)
I don't want to print another Z ring on my fully calibrated printer just to check, since the Z ring has other design issues which I've addressed in my Q ring (a ground-up redesign which is on my website)
Thanks for commenting, I haven't thought about the Z ring in a long time, it's nice to reassess the situation again having learned a lot since then 👍
Hey there, no I did not - this video was filmed when I was a complete novice and did zero calibrations at all. Interesting thought about over extrusion.
Everything that I designed was dimensionally accurate when I did measure the products from that printer on default profiles (Prusaslicer and a MK3s), and the eyeball test in my opinion still stands (trapezoid on the QR, rectangle on the Z ring)
I don't want to print another Z ring on my fully calibrated printer just to check, since the Z ring has other design issues which I've addressed in my Q ring (a ground-up redesign which is on my website)
Thanks for commenting, I haven't thought about the Z ring in a long time, it's nice to reassess the situation again having learned a lot since then 👍
@@DrAlanQuan each filament can vary...even same brand different color. There are calibrations which COULD be why that part did not line up. But I like your fix too...which worked just fine!
@@Cereal_Killr thanks man. I like to experiment and learn, sometimes it ends up being unnecessarily complicated but it's fun!
I did calibrate a few different filaments when I eventually bought my own printer but honestly, looking back at the Prusa MK3s and Prusaslicer default profiles, they were really good! Just very slow compared to what I use now
@@DrAlanQuan The smartest tend to over think...and that's OK. It's just what we do lol. I'm a lover of knowledge too! Gives a sense of pride! I have an ender 3 S1 pro and a bambu P1S with AMS...love em both but the bambu is amazing!
Can you fix the short version download link?
Thank you for pointing this out! I just fixed it. Let me know how you go!
Awesome, thank you!
It is not possible to convince anyone the Z-Ring is a terrible idea. No matter how many broken pins and failed rings, the sheeple will not be told how much of a risk they are taking.
Thank you for pointing out how much worse all DD's get with the stupid z-ring mod and that it makes zero real difference.
I actually think the Z ring is a great idea, just lacking that last 10% of refinement. It's a nice convenience for me, but in terms of stiffness in the QR - no different.
@@DrAlanQuan Oh well. Sheeple gonna sheeple.
My gf said she will pay for my shaft extension. Any links
I think you might want something Swedish Made 😂
Where Can i buy it.
Hi Kasper, in the video description there is a link to Rudolf's eBay store. There's also a link in the description to my downloads page which has the STL files for the support bracket if you wish to print the same bracket that I designed and showed in the video - you just need to buy a 6807 bearing (I got mine from eBay for $10). Please let me know how you go!
Your Seat does not fit to a Formula Seating position! You have always to bend your shoulder forward and your Head is not good supported... do have no problems?
My Z-Ring v15 was absolute perfect, but i printed it with 102% flow and then minimal grind. you took on the first z-Ring the wrong lenght variant?!
Hi Eddy. I rest my head on the headrest when I race - I'm not too fussed about what to call the seating position - it is what it is, it kind of feels like formula, I'm happy.
As for the Z ring, yes I've heard a lot of people had no issues with it - I found it completely stopped my wheel from going on because of the wrong shape.
As for length - when I downloaded the files from Zappadoc they include both lengths in the one .zip file, and the website recommends to try the long one first (at least it did when I read it)
Thanks for commenting! Stay tuned, lots of cool stuff coming
Ciao come è possibile acquistare questo?
Bongiorno!
eBay link is in the description. Grazie!
@@DrAlanQuan Grazie e complimenti per il video.
This for CSL DD when?
As I understand it, never. The build quality of the CSL vs Podium is vastly different - plastic vs metal motor shaft construction - as well as quality control (standard CSL shafts can be seen to be poorly centred).
The CSL just isn't built well enough to extend.
Do you know that these is just a copy of the original T.S. Custom FOV extension? They even copied the name... We do it in superior quality then what is presented here and it is similarly priced. Let me know your address and we will send you one for review and then you can compare them.
Hi Tino, thanks for watching and commenting. I'm a big fan of your work and considered your product when I purchased (which is why I've referenced you in the video at 2:35). I agree, your product looks better finished but the extra 55mm of reach I thought was important for me.
I'd love to review your extension - thank you for the kind offer. I'd like to explore the topic of your product being copied as well - I think it's an important conversation and evidence based discussion will help everybody make their purchasing decisions. I'll send you an email with my address now.