The flaw in his testing is that he did NOT do the tests simultaneously. You can have 3 Starlink dishes beside each other, and they each could be connected to a different satellite, and each satellite can be a different generation and have a different throughput....
Gen 1 & Gen 2 never see above 400mbps, while Gen3 has multiple examples of people posting >400mbps speed test. This video is somewhat invalid because he didn't test peak speeds @ 3AM to compare raw hardware capabilities. Any individual dishy will test completely different second-to-second/moment-to-moment so you need repeated tests back to back over a large time period to really get averages, and then you are still testing the average capacity in your own starlink cell not dishy itsself!
Interesting, We have a gen 2 dish in Australia. Speeds can easily reach 380mbps down and 20-30up. Had it since the start of last year, speeds were 200-300 normally and peak 330ish. But last few months speeds are consistently higher. Might suggest increased network capacity.
@IroonieLA I have noticed zero difference in latency between Starlink and several other ISPs in general. The only thing I have noticed is a lower latency when connecting to UK or farther servers from the USA. When I play Space Engineers, I can play more servers farther away from me most times with lower latency.
Question for you. Have you tried to place the dish under a glass and see if it still gets decent connections? I'm considering Starlink but I want to put it under my glass roof of my Tesla. I'm worried it won't get good speed
Gotcha covered! I did exactly that in the rear hatch of my Model Y. Wrote an article on the blog about it: www.starlinkhardware.com/heres-how-i-set-up-starlink-in-my-tesla/
@@StarlinkHardware you are the man! Thanks so much. Looks like it works surprisingly well. I'm always on the road and cell phone based internet is just not cutting it. Thanks again for all the work you do and sharing it!
Looking into this as an option for remote work from the RV. I was surprised to find the only options (that I could find) were the standard and the mini. Good overview.
I live in the mountains of northern California, where at times we get heavy snow. I’ve had a gen 2 for a couple years and it works awfully well. The only fault I can find is the heater in the antenna can only handle up to 4 cm an hour of snow. if it can’t keep up with the snow, and or there’s too much snow in the air. The dish will lose signal and go into search mode. If it can’t locate a signal, then it defaults into park mode. Park mode places the antenna horizontally which only add to snow load on the antenna. I wish the program would default to a vertical park mode when it lost the signal and then periodically go back to search mode. That would help keep the antenna, free of snow, and allow it to begin working again on its own. Otherwise I have to brush off the antenna with a long poled broom. Beyond that, it works fairly flawlessly.
I have gen 1 round dish, in rural Maine. Wondering if gen 3 worth an upgrade regarding internet calling. My service typically drops calls after 3-10 minutes. Good comparison.
Are you seeing those drops in the app in the statistics menu? I would check for obstructions in the app as well. Could be something unrelated. Could be worth it to upgrade just due to the router alone. It would improve your Wi-Fi speeds and range which could also be the cause.
@@StarlinkHardware@StarlinkHardware, thanks, I'm an original Gen 1 buyer, so it's probably best to get the latest hardware. It's a lifesaver in a wilderness setting.
I have a generation 1 dish, just did a speed test about a half hour ago, speed was 203 Mbps down and 38 Mbps up. I live in Eastern Canada. Also I have been told the dishes should be running at least 12 hours to acclimate to the satellites for best speeds.
Good performance, especially the upload! The previous 12 hour recommendation was because the obstruction map took about 12 hours to generate. Now it generates in real time. But as long as the mounting location is obstruction free (I knew it was) the connection is optimal about 15 minutes from the initial boot up.
I have a gen 1 and it rarely drops below 100 download and the upload is usually in the mid 10s which is adequate for my current usage. It’ll be interesting to re-run the tests when SpaceX gets their Starship in service deploying their latest Starlink satellites. I suspect the gap in performance might be more noticeable with improved satellite technology.
Same here. Back in the beta days, we'd see speeds of over 500 down and 75 up. The hardware is capable, but it's being crippled for some reason. Edit: just did a quick test. 157.83 down while someone was watching netflix. Have to call bs on the gen 1 results.
Just received my Starlink Standard kit with a wall mount to install on our roof peak facia. The Standard to Standard actuator kit hasn’t arrived yet. I have searched for what is in the Starlink actuator kit, unfortunately I cannot find anything. Do you know if I use the cord that comes with the Standard Kit? Or is there another cord that comes with the actuator kit since this is motorized. Again, thanks for your guidance!
I got a free gen 1 that was left with a free sign in front of a house and set it up at my friends house, but starlink is offering my friends address $300 off for the new gen 3 (yes only $200 for the gen 3) so I upgraded it for him. Seems worth it for the long run
Have you tried the Enterprise version? Do you think the Enterprise Kit's increased "HP" power supply with the Gen 3 dish would be comparable (or better) than the High Performance models that have "better attennas" with wider FOV?
I haven’t tried it and won’t since it’s the same dish, just an external power supply. I would guess you could see small improvements in performance with more power, but mainly in rain/snow. Not worth the extra cost IMO.
I'm really hoping my obstructions will improve. I recently bought the gen 3 and I've tried placing it on numerous locations at my cabin. I ignorantly assumed I would be able to point it to the South (why should it matter I thought) as I have a huge amount of sky view to the south, southeast and southwest. The problem: the cabin is built into the side of a mountain and the cabin sits on the south side of the mountain. What I failed to realize is that Starlink must be pointed mainly in northern directions and thus, half of my sky view is obstructed. I still get amazing speeds, 200+ down and 15+ up but I'm disconnected every minute. While streaming can compensate for this with little noticeable effect, web based conference calls such as zoom and teams are nearly impossible. During a 30 minute call, I will be disconnected on average 20+ times. I've ordered the ridgeline roof mount to get the dish higher on top of the cabin and that will give me a little bit more angle but I'll still have a mountain of solid rock on my North. Should I expect my connections to improve with Starlink auto-calibrating to the number of obstructions or is that simply a pipe dream and I should return it?
Performance could improve slightly, but the problem is much of the southern sky (if you live north of the equator) is off limits to prevent interference with Clarke Belt satellite systems. So dishy has to rely on its view to the north. Higher and/or farther away are how you fix obstructions. Plenty of people are forced to install 30-40 ft towers to avoid trees, but I’m not sure about a mountain. Might have to return it if you don’t have some kind of fallback internet, like 5G cellular, for work calls.
I’m in same boat. Unobstructed southern view and mountains to north. Disconnects every couple of minutes. Fine for streaming. No go for zoom calls. Will the eventual increase in satellites or obstruction compensation improve my situation over time?
I ended up having to return mine. I spoke with a really great support person from Starlink and after they reviewed my obstruction map, they suggested that it likely will never work in that location due to the northern obstruction. They weren’t too hopeful that future satellites in lower orbits would fix it.
I was wondering how well Gen 1 still worked. My Gen 1 regularly got over 150Mbps in Western Colorado. But I now have had 1Gbps fiber for over a year and a half, so my Gen 1 has been unpowered up on the roof for that time.
When I had Gen 2 dish with service I found the run to run variations so wild with each speed test, 50-450mbits apart within minutes. Speed varies so wildly I dont even bother testing as it wont hold a consistent speed, more concerned about a stable connection.
No problem! I suggest watching my camping setup video to give you an idea of performance under trees: th-cam.com/video/rr0fiGBaLCo/w-d-xo.html I also have several in motion testing videos, here is the most recent: th-cam.com/video/FnIy_mOIJao/w-d-xo.html I'm mainly focused on the Standard and Mini since the older units are not being sold anymore, but it gives you a good idea for any Starlink dish.
What is missing is the mixing of routers and antennae. We still use our Dishy McFlatface G1 antenna but have it connected via the G3 router. Here in a town in rural Oregon we see better performance that that achieved with your G1 antenna. In fact, it's better than you report with your newest configuration. The antennae appear not to be the limiting factor. It's the routers. So, how about a retest using Dishy McFlatface and your G3 router?
Routers would affect the Wifi performance, i.e transfer speeds on the local network, and the internet speed over Wifi from the router to devices. However, for this test, I didn't test over Wifi. All testing was done from the "Advanced Speed Test" which runs a speed test on the router itself. There really isn't any different in throughput or performance going from the Starlink dish to the router in any generation, so Wifi speed/range/etc. was not a factor in this test. As mentioned in the conclusion, your physical location on Earth and time of day has a much bigger impact on overall speed than anything else.
What about stability though? It's not all about speed. I've noticed far more stability after moving from gen 2 to gen 3, which makes sense due to the increased field of view.
Putting the Gen 3 router with the Gen 2 dish really isn't a great solution as you still need the Gen 2 router for power, you need the ethernet adapter and then you add in the Gen 3 router. At that point you could add in any 3rd party Wi-Fi 6 router. The Gen 3 router having Wi-Fi 6 might get you some more range from the router, but it's not going to increase your speeds from the dish to the satellite.
@@AlpineTheHusky Yeah, that is pretty bad. I can relate, because my previous connection was even worse than that in a rural area of Hungary. My only other option was Starlink, which is a salvation.
I am thinking about purchasing a Gen 2 used. Can I do this with a new plan and use on our property in our 5th wheel trailer? Would you recommend a used system and do they still support Gen 2? Thanks.
Yes, you could use a used dish with a new plan. With the newest dish at just $349, it would have to be a pretty good deal on a used Gen 2 for me to recommend it. Gen 2 is still supported as far as replacement cables, routers, and accessories.
Excellent speeds! I rarely see close to 300 Mbps in my location. But things have improved a lot, it used to top out under 100 Mbps most days back in 2021/2022.
Question for you - How bad is the roaming plan. My city is at high capacity and not accepting residential plans anymore, the Starlink website says they will increase capacity but no timeline. Havent activated my product till date. is the roaming plan worth it as compared to the residential plan which cost lesser?
Great video, question, I live in rural east central Minnesota. Going to order a Starlink service soon. Is the generation 3 the latest version? Or is a generation 4 coming out soon? Thanks for your humor and for the work you put into this.
Thank's for the feedback, appreciate it! Yes, the generation 3 is the latest version. It came out less than a year ago, so I don't expect a new version anytime soon.
So I just got the $299 special Standard (kick stand) Gen 3 and I'm now looking at mounts. My main use will be communications while camping in areas with out cell coverage and we do not Stream movies or shows... Email, Wifi calling and the occasional look up on the internet for information. We went with the 50gb plan as we only needed the roam for a few days out camping. Our first trip is going to the Smokey Mountains new Gatlinburg Tn an there are no service like cell at all. I thought it would idea, but I'm concerned about trees of course. Usually RV sites are pretty clear above the RV parking area. I've seen folks saying that flat mount on the rv may be better than the kickstand that comes with it. This not for in motion but at the campsite. (not trying to get above the 100 +ft trees but more optimal position for the campsite. I bought the Standard dish vs the mini.. I figure more surface area of the Standard would help out. I've thought a tripod type mount with an adjustable pipe mount. Would love to get feed back from those have tried flat mounts vs angle mount in a camping situation.
Question. Are you in like a rural area? Because I am and looking into Starlink I like to play online FPS games “Call of Duty, BattleField 2042”. and I want something that can run them.
Yes, my town has several thousand people and it's a lot of farmland. Starlink should work fine with online gaming. The biggest issue isn't speeds, it's latency and packet loss. I don't play FPS but I've done other fast paced online gaming like Rocket League and sim racing (iRacing) which both require reliability and low packet loss to work properly.
I’ve looked into this before, but couldn’t come up with a good solution that didn’t involve some business grade network components. I can do some more research to see if things have changed since I last looked a few years ago. It would be interesting to see 600 Mbps from Starlink!
@@StarlinkHardware Have you looked at running pfSense... either on an old PC or one of their appliances? As I mentioned in the other comment, I was an early tester and have always run through a NetGate/pfSense appliance. When they sent me a V2 I was able to take advantage of the crossover window to run V1/V2 simultaneously for a few days. Yes, the speeds will aggregate. Early morning tests were regularly at or over 400Mbs down.
Well, I have the gen 2 actuated and was thinking seriously of diisabling the motors. Now the gen 3 has no motors and I think it is cheaper too. I want to mount the dish in a 130 foot tree and not have it reset its direction. So the gen 3 is looking good to me.
Would like to see testing with obstructions. The HP is supposed to do the best when dealing with obstructions. I would imagine gen3 second best as it's the second largest viewing area.
hi. Which uses the least power ? Since all of them are the same speed , the determining factor that becomes the amount of power it consumes for those of us roaming. Thank you for conducting this test.
Try running the Advanced Speed Test in the Starlink app in the room you are having issues. What’s the “Router to Internet” result? I recommend testing outside of peak hours. Test in the morning. Peak hours in the evening will always be slower. Could be a WiFi signal issue, this test helps determine that.
I considered doing it at the same time, but wanted to avoid any kind of interference from having multiple units at the same location all trying to download/upload at the same time. It's also more difficult from a practical perspective, having 4 mobile devices handy to run the Starlink app. Never considered the rain test, but I can tell you the dishes with the beefier power supplies would most likely win on that one. Gen 3, HP, Gen 1 all have power supplies that can output 100+ watts if needed.
@@StarlinkHardware I have been doing some tests with HP and standard actuated connected via ETH to a router (at the same time- 4 meters between them) and the results are a little bit different at least in Latin America. I think it is because the standard configuration in their platform (modulations and carrier config) allows us to get better results (at least in Download standard actuated wins) for standard. But in rain conditions, as you said HP with their power supplies wins always. Both of them have 1TB priority plans. I'll contact you via email when I get more detailed results! Thank you for sharing your experience! Maybe in a couple of weeks, I'll do some tests with the standard.
Depends on the tree coverage and other obstructions RELATIVE to the satellite traveling past above. These satellites move fast so it is never stable, and it must always hunt for new satellites which come into view.
I'm running a gen1 dishy with a gen 3 router consistently getting 225- 250 down and 20 up. highest, I've tested 398 down and 40 up . Pacific northwest Oregon/ California border
long shot but we just got starlink in Botswana but the hardware at around $600 is way way too much for us. would you please send me an old one you don't use? ill even pay for the shipping.
Ditto it’ll be three years this August. I overheard a neighbour that was talking to a contractor working on their home say something along the lines of communicating with aliens when wondering what it was for 😂 So I’m certainly not going to replace it with something that looks like one of those flat TV Satellite dishes 😁
That seems like more of a normal result. I’m going to set mine up again tomorrow and see if I can get it working right. If not, maybe it’s time to finally retire it for good! Definitely going to be hanging on the wall in the office.
Hi, just ordered 1 hour ago the last gen dish. I thought it will automatically rotate to satellite. You said I have to do it manually…the plan was to put it on my rooftop house, do you think I can still do that or do I have to put it in front of my house? Thanks
you dont have to rotate every day or something like that , just point too where sky is more visible. you dont have to touch it again , starlink app can tell you best orentiation
Someone else already gave a good answer, but to expand, it’s a one time alignment done through the app. It’s not a big deal. One you initially aim it, you don’t need to touch it again. I have a video on a Gen 3 mount that includes instructions to align the dish. Takes about 30 seconds: th-cam.com/video/c4o-_aBmGBw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5uW2LqUjxpN0iOEe
I’d be a bit wary of having a fixed dish. For the first 2 plus years it pointed in the same direction, but recently I noticed it had shifted by approx 45 degrees. Would have been annoyed as @$#* if I had to have done that manually! I’m guessing that’s its because there are a lot more satellites up there since initial setup and the system determined that the optimum alignment had changed.
I've had Priority service before and didn't notice any difference in speeds from Residential in my area. The important thing for this test was that all dishes were on the same service plan.
Nice test. but there are so many more variables influencing a test. Number of satellites in view, New or Old tech satellites, ping time, latency per test. Don't forget the rotation of the earth.
Are you testing the antenna only or are you going through the wifi as well. I would like to see this test only through the antenna. This is done in settings.
The “Router to Internet” test in the Advanced Speed Test section of the Starlink app tests internet speeds directly from the antenna. No Wi-Fi variable in my testing.
I will start with the fact that this was a very poor test and please let me explain why. I have had the privilege of being the first starlink user in Central Ohio and am using the original dish. The only fair way to test these dishes would be having each disk run simultaneously for an extended period of time such as 15 to 20 minutes. Here is why I am stating this, at any moment I can do a speed test and the speed can vary greatly as the dish uses different satellites that come in and out of range. There are still many satellites of different generations which will vary greatly in speed. For example, I just did four Speed tests, 1. 168 down, 16 up, 31 ping - 2. 131 down, 25 up, 39 ping - 3. 137 down, 18 up, 36 ping, 4. 134 down, 29 up, 29 ping. Ten minutes from now depending on which satellite that I connect to my download speed could up or down 40 to 50 points and my ping could very greatly. I absolutely love Starling, but because it is a satellite signal you cannot you cannot run one test after the other and expect to get comparable numbers.
I interviewed Starlink dishes in the video lol. I thought it was pretty clear this was more for the entertainment value, not so much a controlled scientific test. In the end I basically explain what you just said. There are so many variables outside of which hardware model you have, that it makes every Starlink generation pretty much equal at the end of the day.
@@StarlinkHardware I understand that it is for entertainment. But many individuals don't even let that register in their brains. It still would not be scientific if they were run simultaneously, but it would have given a much better overall perspective..
Speeds are highly dependent on your location on earth. The US has historically had lower speeds due to a higher density of Starlink users. In places like Europe, or even lower density areas of the US, speeds will be higher with any dish.
I appreciate the feedback! Problem with that is the dishes would be competing for bandwidth with each other. And having multiple antennas close together could cause interference. I wanted to avoid those variables. Thank you for watching!
Entiendo tu punto, pero aun así seria bueno ver cual de todas logra avasallar a las demás. Recuerda que habrán veces que se tu Starlink estará compitiendo con las de tus vecinos.
Standard dishes are generally $599 and the High Performance is $2500. Depends on your specific country though. Gen 3 and HP are really the only ones being sold today in most markets, Gen 2 Standard Actuated is being phased out.
How do you look 38 years old and 16 years old all at the same time? Magnificent...
lol, now I can't unsee this.
@@jonnieadventure Put your finger over the moustache and you get 16, take it off and it's 38 again :D
@@gluek ._. how
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That interview with Dishy was incredibly profound and moved me to tears. It was beautifully done. You've gained a new subscriber!
Same!
GOAT OG Dishy...
Didn’t age well, P Dishy is in prison now. Those poor kids.
Thank you for the data comparison. I am getting ready to purchase Starlink as it seems to be my best option for where I am moving in a few days.
Just ordered the Gen 3 for our full-time RV... hoping for the best!
I have a Gen 2 and Gen 1 load sharing on a common network. They both perform the same when tested together at the same time.
The flaw in his testing is that he did NOT do the tests simultaneously. You can have 3 Starlink dishes beside each other, and they each could be connected to a different satellite, and each satellite can be a different generation and have a different throughput....
Gen 1 & Gen 2 never see above 400mbps, while Gen3 has multiple examples of people posting >400mbps speed test. This video is somewhat invalid because he didn't test peak speeds @ 3AM to compare raw hardware capabilities. Any individual dishy will test completely different second-to-second/moment-to-moment so you need repeated tests back to back over a large time period to really get averages, and then you are still testing the average capacity in your own starlink cell not dishy itsself!
@@jermwerty Our Gen 1 used to get 400-700mbps in beta. Usually get about 250-350 now. We have LOTS of obstructions also.
@@brandonjjarvis no one got 700mbps in beta except error'd tests
Gen 3 was the winner for me. It’s all about upload once you get to over 200 download.
Interesting,
We have a gen 2 dish in Australia. Speeds can easily reach 380mbps down and 20-30up.
Had it since the start of last year, speeds were 200-300 normally and peak 330ish. But last few months speeds are consistently higher. Might suggest increased network capacity.
Thank you for this video. I like the higher upload speed of the Gen3. 100Mbps+ download is good enough for many families.
You are absolutely correct. I can run over 20 devices simultaneously, including an online game server, on 150mbps speeds with ZERO issues.
Can't wait to get mine this month or next month
I would think thats thanks to the gen 3 router with wifi 6! I am going for satelite dish gen 2 plus router 3...
@@charlieodom9107 how’s the latency? Is it laggy if playing online games? Meaning ping wise and everything.
@IroonieLA I have noticed zero difference in latency between Starlink and several other ISPs in general.
The only thing I have noticed is a lower latency when connecting to UK or farther servers from the USA. When I play Space Engineers, I can play more servers farther away from me most times with lower latency.
Thanks for your honesty. Got gen 1 dish, gen 2 router. Working fine. Will leave it for now based on your input.
Thank you Colby
The Gen 1 Dishy's speech was so touching
Question for you. Have you tried to place the dish under a glass and see if it still gets decent connections? I'm considering Starlink but I want to put it under my glass roof of my Tesla. I'm worried it won't get good speed
Gotcha covered! I did exactly that in the rear hatch of my Model Y. Wrote an article on the blog about it: www.starlinkhardware.com/heres-how-i-set-up-starlink-in-my-tesla/
@@StarlinkHardware you are the man! Thanks so much. Looks like it works surprisingly well. I'm always on the road and cell phone based internet is just not cutting it. Thanks again for all the work you do and sharing it!
Looking into this as an option for remote work from the RV. I was surprised to find the only options (that I could find) were the standard and the mini. Good overview.
What was the lag, ping or latancy?
great stuff, i was laughing out loud! you got to get your hands on a mini and do an addendum.
I live in the mountains of northern California, where at times we get heavy snow. I’ve had a gen 2 for a couple years and it works awfully well. The only fault I can find is the heater in the antenna can only handle up to 4 cm an hour of snow. if it can’t keep up with the snow, and or there’s too much snow in the air. The dish will lose signal and go into search mode. If it can’t locate a signal, then it defaults into park mode. Park mode places the antenna horizontally which only add to snow load on the antenna. I wish the program would default to a vertical park mode when it lost the signal and then periodically go back to search mode. That would help keep the antenna, free of snow, and allow it to begin working again on its own. Otherwise I have to brush off the antenna with a long poled broom. Beyond that, it works fairly flawlessly.
I have gen 1 round dish, in rural Maine. Wondering if gen 3 worth an upgrade regarding internet calling. My service typically drops calls after 3-10 minutes. Good comparison.
Are you seeing those drops in the app in the statistics menu? I would check for obstructions in the app as well. Could be something unrelated. Could be worth it to upgrade just due to the router alone. It would improve your Wi-Fi speeds and range which could also be the cause.
@@StarlinkHardware@StarlinkHardware, thanks, I'm an original Gen 1 buyer, so it's probably best to get the latest hardware. It's a lifesaver in a wilderness setting.
I have a generation 1 dish, just did a speed test about a half hour ago, speed was 203 Mbps down and 38 Mbps up. I live in Eastern Canada. Also I have been told the dishes should be running at least 12 hours to acclimate to the satellites for best speeds.
Good performance, especially the upload! The previous 12 hour recommendation was because the obstruction map took about 12 hours to generate. Now it generates in real time. But as long as the mounting location is obstruction free (I knew it was) the connection is optimal about 15 minutes from the initial boot up.
I have a gen 1 and it rarely drops below 100 download and the upload is usually in the mid 10s which is adequate for my current usage. It’ll be interesting to re-run the tests when SpaceX gets their Starship in service deploying their latest Starlink satellites. I suspect the gap in performance might be more noticeable with improved satellite technology.
Same here. Back in the beta days, we'd see speeds of over 500 down and 75 up. The hardware is capable, but it's being crippled for some reason.
Edit: just did a quick test. 157.83 down while someone was watching netflix. Have to call bs on the gen 1 results.
How different were the ping or latency tests?
Just the video I needed... thx :)
Thank you!! You brought some humor into my yawn, yawn, research project!
The "high performance" dish is $2K and $20/month higher. Pointless.
No, public ip, higher priorité and better support
@@rocky7gd None of these things depend on the fancy dish, they could be offered on the baseline product
Just received my Starlink Standard kit with a wall mount to install on our roof peak facia. The Standard to Standard actuator kit hasn’t arrived yet. I have searched for what is in the Starlink actuator kit, unfortunately I cannot find anything. Do you know if I use the cord that comes with the Standard Kit? Or is there another cord that comes with the actuator kit since this is motorized. Again, thanks for your guidance!
Thanks for the video! I really appreciate it!
I got a free gen 1 that was left with a free sign in front of a house and set it up at my friends house, but starlink is offering my friends address $300 off for the new gen 3 (yes only $200 for the gen 3) so I upgraded it for him. Seems worth it for the long run
To me the important thing is latencies - did you capture those in your tests?
Have you tried the Enterprise version? Do you think the Enterprise Kit's increased "HP" power supply with the Gen 3 dish would be comparable (or better) than the High Performance models that have "better attennas" with wider FOV?
I haven’t tried it and won’t since it’s the same dish, just an external power supply. I would guess you could see small improvements in performance with more power, but mainly in rain/snow. Not worth the extra cost IMO.
I'm really hoping my obstructions will improve. I recently bought the gen 3 and I've tried placing it on numerous locations at my cabin. I ignorantly assumed I would be able to point it to the South (why should it matter I thought) as I have a huge amount of sky view to the south, southeast and southwest. The problem: the cabin is built into the side of a mountain and the cabin sits on the south side of the mountain. What I failed to realize is that Starlink must be pointed mainly in northern directions and thus, half of my sky view is obstructed.
I still get amazing speeds, 200+ down and 15+ up but I'm disconnected every minute. While streaming can compensate for this with little noticeable effect, web based conference calls such as zoom and teams are nearly impossible. During a 30 minute call, I will be disconnected on average 20+ times. I've ordered the ridgeline roof mount to get the dish higher on top of the cabin and that will give me a little bit more angle but I'll still have a mountain of solid rock on my North. Should I expect my connections to improve with Starlink auto-calibrating to the number of obstructions or is that simply a pipe dream and I should return it?
Performance could improve slightly, but the problem is much of the southern sky (if you live north of the equator) is off limits to prevent interference with Clarke Belt satellite systems. So dishy has to rely on its view to the north. Higher and/or farther away are how you fix obstructions. Plenty of people are forced to install 30-40 ft towers to avoid trees, but I’m not sure about a mountain. Might have to return it if you don’t have some kind of fallback internet, like 5G cellular, for work calls.
I’m in same boat. Unobstructed southern view and mountains to north. Disconnects every couple of minutes. Fine for streaming. No go for zoom calls. Will the eventual increase in satellites or obstruction compensation improve my situation over time?
I ended up having to return mine. I spoke with a really great support person from Starlink and after they reviewed my obstruction map, they suggested that it likely will never work in that location due to the northern obstruction. They weren’t too hopeful that future satellites in lower orbits would fix it.
I was wondering how well Gen 1 still worked. My Gen 1 regularly got over 150Mbps in Western Colorado. But I now have had 1Gbps fiber for over a year and a half, so my Gen 1 has been unpowered up on the roof for that time.
What about latency between the gen's
When I had Gen 2 dish with service I found the run to run variations so wild with each speed test, 50-450mbits apart within minutes. Speed varies so wildly I dont even bother testing as it wont hold a consistent speed, more concerned about a stable connection.
Would like to see some tests how they perform under non-ideal situations. Trees in Kline of sight, moving around etc.
No problem! I suggest watching my camping setup video to give you an idea of performance under trees: th-cam.com/video/rr0fiGBaLCo/w-d-xo.html
I also have several in motion testing videos, here is the most recent: th-cam.com/video/FnIy_mOIJao/w-d-xo.html
I'm mainly focused on the Standard and Mini since the older units are not being sold anymore, but it gives you a good idea for any Starlink dish.
Nice video! Have you considered adding results for the new "mini"?
What is missing is the mixing of routers and antennae. We still use our Dishy McFlatface G1 antenna but have it connected via the G3 router. Here in a town in rural Oregon we see better performance that that achieved with your G1 antenna. In fact, it's better than you report with your newest configuration. The antennae appear not to be the limiting factor. It's the routers.
So, how about a retest using Dishy McFlatface and your G3 router?
Routers would affect the Wifi performance, i.e transfer speeds on the local network, and the internet speed over Wifi from the router to devices. However, for this test, I didn't test over Wifi. All testing was done from the "Advanced Speed Test" which runs a speed test on the router itself. There really isn't any different in throughput or performance going from the Starlink dish to the router in any generation, so Wifi speed/range/etc. was not a factor in this test. As mentioned in the conclusion, your physical location on Earth and time of day has a much bigger impact on overall speed than anything else.
What about stability though? It's not all about speed. I've noticed far more stability after moving from gen 2 to gen 3, which makes sense due to the increased field of view.
Have you tried using the Gen 2 dish with the Gen 3 router and would that make a difference?
Putting the Gen 3 router with the Gen 2 dish really isn't a great solution as you still need the Gen 2 router for power, you need the ethernet adapter and then you add in the Gen 3 router. At that point you could add in any 3rd party Wi-Fi 6 router. The Gen 3 router having Wi-Fi 6 might get you some more range from the router, but it's not going to increase your speeds from the dish to the satellite.
My best measurement so far is 450/45 with gen3 (Hungary). But it is between 200 and 300 Mbps mostly, which is still plenty.
DAMN. I would be happy with 100/10. Austria really got shitty internet on the countryside. Currently got unstable 5-40/0.5-10
@@AlpineTheHusky Yeah, that is pretty bad. I can relate, because my previous connection was even worse than that in a rural area of Hungary. My only other option was Starlink, which is a salvation.
I am thinking about purchasing a Gen 2 used. Can I do this with a new plan and use on our property in our 5th wheel trailer? Would you recommend a used system and do they still support Gen 2? Thanks.
Yes, you could use a used dish with a new plan. With the newest dish at just $349, it would have to be a pretty good deal on a used Gen 2 for me to recommend it. Gen 2 is still supported as far as replacement cables, routers, and accessories.
Very interesting and useful comparison. I agree with your conclusions.
Got a Gen1 and it does 300Mbit DL on average, top was 400MBit. I am at 53°N
Excellent speeds! I rarely see close to 300 Mbps in my location. But things have improved a lot, it used to top out under 100 Mbps most days back in 2021/2022.
I have seen 500mbit top on a friends Gen 2 standard actuated in hungary. Seems to be the perfect country for that
Question for you - How bad is the roaming plan. My city is at high capacity and not accepting residential plans anymore, the Starlink website says they will increase capacity but no timeline. Havent activated my product till date. is the roaming plan worth it as compared to the residential plan which cost lesser?
Have you done a speed test on the new Mini?
Great video, question, I live in rural east central Minnesota. Going to order a Starlink service soon. Is the generation 3 the latest version? Or is a generation 4 coming out soon? Thanks for your humor and for the work you put into this.
Thank's for the feedback, appreciate it! Yes, the generation 3 is the latest version. It came out less than a year ago, so I don't expect a new version anytime soon.
Can you connect the High Performance dish to the standard 2 router?
Yes, the HP kit comes with a special cable that connects the power supply to the Gen 2 router.
The funniest part is you using the dishy as a table
thank you sir for the effort!
I have a Gen 1, and it has never given me a download speed under 230mbs
So I just got the $299 special Standard (kick stand) Gen 3 and I'm now looking at mounts. My main use will be communications while camping in areas with out cell coverage and we do not Stream movies or shows... Email, Wifi calling and the occasional look up on the internet for information. We went with the 50gb plan as we only needed the roam for a few days out camping. Our first trip is going to the Smokey Mountains new Gatlinburg Tn an there are no service like cell at all. I thought it would idea, but I'm concerned about trees of course. Usually RV sites are pretty clear above the RV parking area. I've seen folks saying that flat mount on the rv may be better than the kickstand that comes with it. This not for in motion but at the campsite. (not trying to get above the 100 +ft trees but more optimal position for the campsite. I bought the Standard dish vs the mini.. I figure more surface area of the Standard would help out. I've thought a tripod type mount with an adjustable pipe mount. Would love to get feed back from those have tried flat mounts vs angle mount in a camping situation.
Question. Are you in like a rural area? Because I am and looking into Starlink
I like to play online FPS games “Call of Duty, BattleField 2042”. and I want something that can run them.
Yes, my town has several thousand people and it's a lot of farmland. Starlink should work fine with online gaming. The biggest issue isn't speeds, it's latency and packet loss. I don't play FPS but I've done other fast paced online gaming like Rocket League and sim racing (iRacing) which both require reliability and low packet loss to work properly.
@ thank you
Can you make a video load balance from 2 or more starlink dishes. Can the speed be doubled?
I’ve looked into this before, but couldn’t come up with a good solution that didn’t involve some business grade network components. I can do some more research to see if things have changed since I last looked a few years ago. It would be interesting to see 600 Mbps from Starlink!
@@StarlinkHardware Have you looked at running pfSense... either on an old PC or one of their appliances? As I mentioned in the other comment, I was an early tester and have always run through a NetGate/pfSense appliance. When they sent me a V2 I was able to take advantage of the crossover window to run V1/V2 simultaneously for a few days. Yes, the speeds will aggregate. Early morning tests were regularly at or over 400Mbs down.
Well, I have the gen 2 actuated and was thinking seriously of diisabling the motors. Now the gen 3 has no motors and I think it is cheaper too. I want to mount the dish in a 130 foot tree and not have it reset its direction. So the gen 3 is looking good to me.
Would like to see testing with obstructions. The HP is supposed to do the best when dealing with obstructions. I would imagine gen3 second best as it's the second largest viewing area.
can you test satelite dish gen 2 with router gen 3?
Do you have the latency numbers on these
Well made and interesting video! 👏👏👏
Did you align gen 3?
Thanks for doing this with a sense of humor. It'd be rather dry otherwise. Were any of the dishes on steroids? Also why is your head orange?
hi. Which uses the least power ? Since all of them are the same speed , the determining factor that becomes the amount of power it consumes for those of us roaming. Thank you for conducting this test.
The Gen 2 "Standard Actuated" dish has the lowest power consumption out of all of these models.
@@StarlinkHardware thank you , subscribed
Can you please tell me why my WiFi is so slow. I thought once I got the Starlink I wouldn’t be having this issue!
Try running the Advanced Speed Test in the Starlink app in the room you are having issues. What’s the “Router to Internet” result? I recommend testing outside of peak hours. Test in the morning. Peak hours in the evening will always be slower. Could be a WiFi signal issue, this test helps determine that.
Hey great test, thank you! Have you consider doing some test at the same time and maybe with rain conditions?
I considered doing it at the same time, but wanted to avoid any kind of interference from having multiple units at the same location all trying to download/upload at the same time. It's also more difficult from a practical perspective, having 4 mobile devices handy to run the Starlink app. Never considered the rain test, but I can tell you the dishes with the beefier power supplies would most likely win on that one. Gen 3, HP, Gen 1 all have power supplies that can output 100+ watts if needed.
@@StarlinkHardware I have been doing some tests with HP and standard actuated connected via ETH to a router (at the same time- 4 meters between them) and the results are a little bit different at least in Latin America. I think it is because the standard configuration in their platform (modulations and carrier config) allows us to get better results (at least in Download standard actuated wins) for standard. But in rain conditions, as you said HP with their power supplies wins always. Both of them have 1TB priority plans. I'll contact you via email when I get more detailed results! Thank you for sharing your experience! Maybe in a couple of weeks, I'll do some tests with the standard.
What about the mini?
Im up in 🇨🇦 and my gen 1 gets 207 to 215ish consistantly, never have i felt the need to upgrade yet
Depends on the tree coverage and other obstructions RELATIVE to the satellite traveling past above.
These satellites move fast so it is never stable, and it must always hunt for new satellites which come into view.
Now, the question is, how does the Mini stand up to these models?
I did a review of the Mini and ran the same Advanced Speed Test. Got around 170 Mbps down: th-cam.com/video/vAiSb4dqeF0/w-d-xo.html
My gen 3 V4 dish is over 300Mbs consistently. I'm in Las Vegas so not a lot of other users.
I'm running a gen1 dishy with a gen 3 router consistently getting 225- 250 down and 20 up. highest, I've tested 398 down and 40 up . Pacific northwest Oregon/ California border
Finally! Thank you!
long shot but we just got starlink in Botswana but the hardware at around $600 is way way too much for us. would you please send me an old one you don't use? ill even pay for the shipping.
What’s the price per month
good video brother !
Same latency?
Would like to have seen latency numbers.
You are surprised at the lower performance of the GEN3 dish ?
Did you align gen 3 standard using app before speed test since it has no motor to for self orientation?
Yes, the Gen 3 unit was aligned correctly according to the app before the test.
I'm still rocking the Gen 1 dish and router that I've had since beta. Going strong for about 3 years.
It’s my favorite model and it has the best name for sure!
@@StarlinkHardware It's been very reliable and I haven't seen a reason to upgrade to the newer equipment. Why fix what ain't broke?
Ditto it’ll be three years this August. I overheard a neighbour that was talking to a contractor working on their home say something along the lines of communicating with aliens when wondering what it was for 😂 So I’m certainly not going to replace it with something that looks like one of those flat TV Satellite dishes 😁
I just bought one from a person on eBay basically new never used, fastest speed on v1 I got was 387mbps.
oh that alot different for me i live in Australia and i have the newest starlink and i get anywhere in between 300 -450 mbps download, weird..
I just ran our gen 1 with advanced test 177 DN 28 UP.
That seems like more of a normal result. I’m going to set mine up again tomorrow and see if I can get it working right. If not, maybe it’s time to finally retire it for good! Definitely going to be hanging on the wall in the office.
It all depends is where the satellite is. There are many
I've got an og gen 1 and it setup to a asus ax86u_5g and it gets mostly around 210mbs some times 260mbs download speed 👀 17mbs upload
Hi, just ordered 1 hour ago the last gen dish. I thought it will automatically rotate to satellite. You said I have to do it manually…the plan was to put it on my rooftop house, do you think I can still do that or do I have to put it in front of my house? Thanks
you dont have to rotate every day or something like that , just point too where sky is more visible. you dont have to touch it again , starlink app can tell you best orentiation
Someone else already gave a good answer, but to expand, it’s a one time alignment done through the app. It’s not a big deal. One you initially aim it, you don’t need to touch it again. I have a video on a Gen 3 mount that includes instructions to align the dish. Takes about 30 seconds: th-cam.com/video/c4o-_aBmGBw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5uW2LqUjxpN0iOEe
I’d be a bit wary of having a fixed dish. For the first 2 plus years it pointed in the same direction, but recently I noticed it had shifted by approx 45 degrees. Would have been annoyed as @$#* if I had to have done that manually! I’m guessing that’s its because there are a lot more satellites up there since initial setup and the system determined that the optimum alignment had changed.
Gen 2 Standard seems to be the best balance of performance versus cost.
Test again with Priority data and you should get more with the High Performance dish
I've had Priority service before and didn't notice any difference in speeds from Residential in my area. The important thing for this test was that all dishes were on the same service plan.
Did High Performance dish forward you to her OF? 😅
The high performance dish is probably being held back by the Wifi speed at that point
Of course the spectator dishes out of camera range nearly drowned out the contestant dish interviews. Vaya con Dios
Nice test. but there are so many more variables influencing a test. Number of satellites in view, New or Old tech satellites, ping time, latency per test. Don't forget the rotation of the earth.
Where is the preordered one 😂
Are you testing the antenna only or are you going through the wifi as well. I would like to see this test only through the antenna. This is done in settings.
The “Router to Internet” test in the Advanced Speed Test section of the Starlink app tests internet speeds directly from the antenna. No Wi-Fi variable in my testing.
the price though for that high performance.. i dont think it's worth the extra 50 or so mbps speeds.
I will start with the fact that this was a very poor test and please let me explain why. I have had the privilege of being the first starlink user in Central Ohio and am using the original dish. The only fair way to test these dishes would be having each disk run simultaneously for an extended period of time such as 15 to 20 minutes. Here is why I am stating this, at any moment I can do a speed test and the speed can vary greatly as the dish uses different satellites that come in and out of range. There are still many satellites of different generations which will vary greatly in speed. For example, I just did four Speed tests, 1. 168 down, 16 up, 31 ping - 2. 131 down, 25 up, 39 ping - 3. 137 down, 18 up, 36 ping, 4. 134 down, 29 up, 29 ping. Ten minutes from now depending on which satellite that I connect to my download speed could up or down 40 to 50 points and my ping could very greatly. I absolutely love Starling, but because it is a satellite signal you cannot you cannot run one test after the other and expect to get comparable numbers.
I interviewed Starlink dishes in the video lol. I thought it was pretty clear this was more for the entertainment value, not so much a controlled scientific test. In the end I basically explain what you just said. There are so many variables outside of which hardware model you have, that it makes every Starlink generation pretty much equal at the end of the day.
@@StarlinkHardware I understand that it is for entertainment. But many individuals don't even let that register in their brains. It still would not be scientific if they were run simultaneously, but it would have given a much better overall perspective..
My gen 1 beats all of these with max download speed above 350mbps.. how is that possible?
Speeds are highly dependent on your location on earth. The US has historically had lower speeds due to a higher density of Starlink users. In places like Europe, or even lower density areas of the US, speeds will be higher with any dish.
@@StarlinkHardware Makes sense, for refference i live in Spain.
From Argentina near a main city, and super Happy
Great video
you might have better reception around midnight... ignoring other complexities wrt meteorological conditions ...
Saya pakai Gen 2.
I believe you should have included latency in this test.
Me hubiera gustado ver este test todas juntas al mismo tiempo... creo que sería más justo.
Gracias por el video.. Super interesante...
I appreciate the feedback! Problem with that is the dishes would be competing for bandwidth with each other. And having multiple antennas close together could cause interference. I wanted to avoid those variables. Thank you for watching!
Entiendo tu punto, pero aun así seria bueno ver cual de todas logra avasallar a las demás.
Recuerda que habrán veces que se tu Starlink estará compitiendo con las de tus vecinos.
Anything over 200 Mbps is solid.
Price of each dish would be helpful.
Standard dishes are generally $599 and the High Performance is $2500. Depends on your specific country though. Gen 3 and HP are really the only ones being sold today in most markets, Gen 2 Standard Actuated is being phased out.
Gen2 Jamaica .... Starlink has seen a significant decline in speed ...
Greg from Twitter? 😂