Slavoj Zizek - What happens to Ukraine after the war?

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  • @iwouldprefernotto49
    @iwouldprefernotto49  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @EsPaRtAnO2009
    @EsPaRtAnO2009 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    Good to see that ZIzek is a true marxist, and not a braindead tankie simping for China and Russia

    • @grivza
      @grivza 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Zizek is barely a Marxist, in fact he is the first to admit that. But indeed Marxists see China/Russia and the West as two sides of the same coin.

    • @oligreen1192
      @oligreen1192 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not true

    • @SamuraiAkechi
      @SamuraiAkechi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      >true marxist
      Yeah, because ignoring socio-economic context of Taliban becoming a power with significant public following and supporting Core countries against semi-Periphery in their competition is something a revolutionary would do. Showing ignorance and support of status quo instead of it's weakening, trying to hide the support for West-oriented capitalism under vague notions of humanism.

    • @kremigmitsahne7197
      @kremigmitsahne7197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@grivza You clearly don't know anything about Marxism, China, or Russia... And no, Zizek is not "barely a Marxist". He's full blown anti-Communist and his whole career is build on anti-Communist narratives disguised as fake-Marxism. He worked alongside imperialist liberals to destroy Socialist opposition in his country and he was always pro Nato-Bombing of Serbia and still is pro-Nato, pro-Imperialism today.

    • @Lunar_Pendragon
      @Lunar_Pendragon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A true Marxist would analyse the material conditions (you know, a tenet of dialectical materialism) of modernity, and the history that led to it through a materialist lens, and understand that in an emerging multi-polar world, supporting China and Russia is the sole logical conclusion of the Communist movement. If anything, you're the braindead one for believing in rudimentary lies told by Western media and the Western academic status quo; the "braindead tankies" you speak of come to their reasoning through dialectical materialism, how do you come to yours - watching CNN and Sam Seder every evening?

  • @volodymyrpolozenko825
    @volodymyrpolozenko825 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Commentators should decide whether they are against Western imperialism or FOR Putin. These are fundamentally different positions.

    • @antoinepetrov
      @antoinepetrov 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the best thing would be to decide whether they are against imperialism in general, Russian, Asian or Western or for it. Then it's all clear

  • @AFilmaciones
    @AFilmaciones 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The light is on... and so on and so on.

  • @cookeris
    @cookeris 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    damn. that guy on the right is a total clone of Freddy Mercury!!

  • @panikrull
    @panikrull 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Correct view of things!

  • @MichaelRozenberg-jd7yf
    @MichaelRozenberg-jd7yf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love him omg !!

  • @JohnTaylor-fh4et
    @JohnTaylor-fh4et 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    With the shepherd or the wolf?, somebody's for dinner.

  • @Lessgo00
    @Lessgo00 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's one thing willingly let west come in your country and it's another thing being colonised by a country you don't want.
    Also Ukraine was always really corrupt but Russia was always more and was always on the 1st or near the 1st place.
    I'm Slavic but please tell the truth

  • @alexeychalov163
    @alexeychalov163 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Left awakening in Ukraine" is like to say "left was awakening in Berlin 1943"... "so u must believe that Soviet is bad even if it self is left to the bones".

    • @Lessgo00
      @Lessgo00 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's about corruption not politics. Russia was always more corrupt than Ukraine, in every index

  • @havenxochiquetzalli9478
    @havenxochiquetzalli9478 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what talk is this from?

    • @Nihil01
      @Nihil01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      th-cam.com/video/UsNBv3noSG8/w-d-xo.html
      Its from here

  • @akbar-nr4kc
    @akbar-nr4kc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what is zizzekain take on john dewey educational philosphy? is he accept it or dismiss

  • @user-uh8fu3mb9l
    @user-uh8fu3mb9l 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This situation is rather relatable to China in 1945, when the extremely brutal and exploitative Japanese occupation was overthrown, only to be replaced by the régime of Generalissimo Chiang, which was equally brutal and exploitative. But by this time the Chinese people were quite well-armed and well-organized, and they proceeded to overthrow Chiang as well.

    • @Jaxck77
      @Jaxck77 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s not what happened at all in China. Neither the Communists nor the Nationalists had control over China as a whole in 1945. There was no rebellion by the people, it was a resumption of the civilwar that had been put on pause for a decade by the Japanese invasion.

    • @JakeBassCZ
      @JakeBassCZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And ended up under equally (or more) brutal and exploitative régime of Mao Zedong.

    • @Swelinebacker
      @Swelinebacker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NO ALL POLITICAL SITUATIONS ARE ALWAYS BLACK AND WHITE. THERES ALWAYS ONE GOOD SIDE AND ONE EVIL SIDE LIKE MUH AVENGERS MOVIES.

    • @alpacamaster5992
      @alpacamaster5992 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And then Mao was worse than Chiang

    • @user-uh8fu3mb9l
      @user-uh8fu3mb9l 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alpacamaster5992 What only matters is that Chiang was more incompetent and lost to Mao. 𝘝𝘈𝘌 𝘝𝘐𝘊𝘛𝘐𝘚!

  • @Proportion5
    @Proportion5 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m sorry, just curious, is Slovenia, Poland or Italy colonized by the west?

  • @gohan69-ls2sj
    @gohan69-ls2sj 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like palestine, "Free palestine" but what kind of palestine?!

  • @FullMetalPier
    @FullMetalPier 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    People like to say that Ukraine is corrupt, but somehow they always forget to say that Russia is much more corrupt. Trends say that Ukraine is trying to fight corruption, while in Russia corruption is increasing.

    • @YuraK25
      @YuraK25 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This is true. Russia is way worse in terms of corruption index, and it's intuitive too, Russia is a huge country that should normally have good GDP per capita which it doesn't. Russia also has the highest wealth inequality in Europe with around 50% of wealth in the hands of 1%. 0.1% in actuality to be precise.

    • @sidneyrofalsky5216
      @sidneyrofalsky5216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol

    • @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.
      @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      corruption is simply called "government" in russia

    • @sidneyrofalsky5216
      @sidneyrofalsky5216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. lol

    • @freeloader247
      @freeloader247 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      How come Russia is more corrupt?

  • @nkvk2810
    @nkvk2810 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Zizek is simply saying Ukraine should choose the lesser evil of the United States than the greater evil of Russia. I say this thinking is deficient. Ukraine is far better off choosing no evil. This is no abstraction. Practically, In fact, the Russians demanded from the Americans in December 2021 that Ukraine remained a neutral country. Zizek thinking thus shows the wisdom gap the world faces despite the immense 'knowledge' we are producing.

    • @volodymyrpolozenko825
      @volodymyrpolozenko825 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Прогалина мудрості - це те що Захід боїться назвати речі своїми дійсними іменами.
      Росія сьогодні - це чисте ідеальне кримталізоване Зло, з яким ви активно торгуєте, незважаючи на військові злодіяння.

    • @Cheltree
      @Cheltree 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      indeed, that said america already orchestrated a coup when they were neutral, so what is neutrality in Ukraine?

  • @justaspivoriunas9416
    @justaspivoriunas9416 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It could be very hard for oligarchs to oppress huge well trained military with a lot of fighting experience.

    • @SamuraiAkechi
      @SamuraiAkechi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not really. It depends on officers. Look at developing countries of Middle East, Africa and Latin America - except for Cuba and Algeirs, no major coup or revolution was ever conducted and successfully performed by the masses and civilian leadership. It was always done by military leaders like Gaddafi, Naser, Mobutu, Pinochet, Hafiz al-Assad or Sankara. If officers are kept on short leash and high payroll, a coup would be preventable.

    • @user-uh8fu3mb9l
      @user-uh8fu3mb9l 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SamuraiAkechiChina, Vietnam, Angola, Ethiopia... Counterexamples are numerous. But I agree that organization is much mpre important than armament alone.

    • @SamuraiAkechi
      @SamuraiAkechi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-uh8fu3mb9l Mao had significant amount of military officers on his side, such as Lin Biao. Vietminh leadership was mostly civilian, yet some of them got necessary training before. In Ethiopia, the key role for dethroning of monarchy was played by the Derg conspiracy made of military officers.

    • @user-uh8fu3mb9l
      @user-uh8fu3mb9l 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SamuraiAkechi Yes, and that's exactly how the revolutionary masses can also have the militarily experienced on their side. And when I mention Ethiopia, I'm not referring to the Derg, but to EPRDF which defeated and overthrew the Derg in the ensuing civil war.

    • @victorbrand8913
      @victorbrand8913 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Huge well trained military with a lot of fighting experience was, is and will be *the* oppressing force of corrupted oligarchs. This is how fascism emerges in capitalistic societies.

  • @fbshiloh777
    @fbshiloh777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    this take brought to you by the US state department lol

  • @pazificer
    @pazificer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    00:00 best

  • @damjankocar
    @damjankocar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    everybody is whise after putin

  • @thijsjong
    @thijsjong 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Ukraine would be owned by foreign entities, banks and governments.
    Due to cripling debts that were commited to buy weapons and ammunition.
    Even more then before the war.

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Better to be in debt than dead which is what would have happened if Ukraine didn’t fight and let Russia “peacefully” occupy them.

    • @SamuraiAkechi
      @SamuraiAkechi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Leo_Zeo_Lhang yeah, because Russians are literally exterminating people, enforcing apartheid, striking civilian objects on purpose, turning cities into ashes and so on? Oh wait, that's Israel.

    • @GottEddy
      @GottEddy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Leo_Zeo_Lhang That's why the Maidan incident. Now it makes sense

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@GottEddy What? Even if Euromaidan was a US coup Russia should have responded using soft power or a light footprint coup not with a full scale military invasion.

  • @joshuapaul2022
    @joshuapaul2022 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Slavoj Zizek is completely clueless. Roman Shukhevych (SS officer (hauptmann) who was directly implicated in a mass extermination of jews and poles) is a national hero of Zelenskyy Ukraine. Multiple streets are named after him. Zelenskyy is quite fine with that. Moreover he didn't even apologize for his standing ovation for this Nazi in Canadian parliament, because it would upset multiple Nazis in his army (yeah, Nazis that are covered with Nazi tattoos, wear Nazi patches and paint swastikas on their tanks). There is also a bronze bust of Roman Shukhevych at the Ukrainian Youth Unity Complex in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. ... It was partly funded by Canadian taxpayers.

    • @oligreen1192
      @oligreen1192 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Zelensky is a tragedy

    • @slowpace6641
      @slowpace6641 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Zelensky is what Ukraine people created against Russia, after Crimea War. It´s unbelievable that is the best that Ukraine can ellect, or better saying, what ukraine´s oligarchs made up. Now HALF of ukranians left the country, the richer and well educated, and the poor was left to be grinded by Russia. It´s crazy. Crazier than that is the fact that Zizek points up, for what the poor ukranians are fighting for right now? Well, we will see

    • @grivza
      @grivza 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I suspect that this interview was before the whole scandal but maybe I am mistaken.

    • @kremigmitsahne7197
      @kremigmitsahne7197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zizek was always like this. He didn't change. People just don't realize that his whole scheme is delivering a pro-imperialist / anti-Communist message while making himself look like a progressive "Marxist" rebel. Why do you think he's so supported by one wing of the western imperialist elites... He worked in politics back then to destroy remaining socialist opposition in his own country and always cheered for Nato carpet-bombing socialist states like Serbia back then and other anti-imperialist States today. And constantly repeating the western elite's disproven anti-China lies. He's what he's. And he's very successful with it in the west (we in the west are the most brainwashed people, but we think we are the most enlightened because of people like Zizek and media like BBC, CNN)

    • @D4NK1
      @D4NK1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apart from Ukraine...Croatia, Slovenia and Slovakia were the Slavic countries with the most sympathies for Nazism.
      Don't think zizek doesn't know exactly what he is discussing

  • @joshuapaul2022
    @joshuapaul2022 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    According to NBC: "Biden administration officials are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements." In latest offensive that proved to be an epic unmitigated disaster Ukrainian army showed itself completely impotent . This impotence is the result of a successful implementation of an attrition strategy. Zelenskyy is running out of cannon fodder. He is forced conscripting even amputees, HIV positive and people with hepatitis. Total collapse is near so everybody tries to steal everything that isn't nailed down to the ground. It's a sign of utter desperation and hysteria. At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender. Anybody can go and see for himself the articles in The Time (about Zelenskyy) or The Economist (Zaluzhny).

    • @samg.5165
      @samg.5165 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Nurse, he's out of bed again.
      You know you're in for a treat when the poorly written propaganda piece is peppered with half-remembered WW2 factoids.

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not socialist, they are run by oligarchs just like Ukraine.

    • @nealg3546
      @nealg3546 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Every accusation is a confession

    • @joshuapaul2022
      @joshuapaul2022 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nealg3546 These are facts not accusations. You are still in a state of denial.

    • @denisnorvicev3262
      @denisnorvicev3262 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you either did not watch the statement of zizek or you are just a propoganda bot

  • @delfimoliveira8883
    @delfimoliveira8883 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's amazing see one of greatest philosophers of our times expressing wishful thinking to support his emotional views on the Ukrainian conflict.

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not socialist, they are run by oligarchs just like Ukraine.

  • @tazzioboca
    @tazzioboca 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    It's fine to be wrong sometimes. It's clear to me that Zizek does not understand the nature of this conflict and what the Zelensky government is.

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not socialist, they are run by oligarchs just like Ukraine.

    • @circles79
      @circles79 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I love these sorts of comments. leaving it at: "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about!"
      without any follow up or context. What inspires non-comments like these? I'm guessing it's just bait for suckers like me to ask what your brilliant, clear-eyed view is.

    • @D4NK1
      @D4NK1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      As a Slovenian he knows better than you trust me. This is him and why people in Slovenia roll their eyes when you mention him.

    • @tazzioboca
      @tazzioboca 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @circles79 My point of view is the same as the experts in international relations such as Mearsheimer and Sacchs. The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is not a conflict between an oppressive undemocratic regime and an innocent independent nation. It is a conflict between two imperialist powers in the form of the US (through NATO) and Russia which had its start with the United States trying to project its zone of influence against Russia. At the centre of this is a corrupt Ukrainian government that has links to ultranationalist groups and has repeatedly ignored efforts to reach an agreement for a ceasefire (likely under direct pressure of the US).
      When Zizek dismisses the concerns over US imperialism to say that Putin is worse, he is ignoring the long list of atrocities the US has either caused or sponsored in the last 20 years at least. To give you a short list, we can talk about hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed and maimed at Iraq, the creation of prison camps for political prisoners with no due process (Gantanamo, Bagram, etc), the complete destruction of stability in Lybia leading to a massive crisis of immigration in Europe and North Africa, the continued sponsoring of Israel's genocidal policy against Palestinians and so on and so on. Though Putin is not an angel by any means, we simply cannot compare what he's done with Ukraine with the number of serious offences which the US has committed. He can't commit the same amount of breaches of human rights even if he wanted to.
      I like Zizek and I respect him. But I have to say that he is completely wrong on this one and does not really understand why this war is happening in the first place.

    • @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.
      @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@tazziobocait is pathetic that russian propaganda has not matured past the childish old soviet tu quoque model to celebrate and dismiss their own atrocities.

  • @Lunar_Pendragon
    @Lunar_Pendragon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Zizek betrayed his own thinking when he chose to support NATO over Russia. Delusional.

    • @nickshern1654
      @nickshern1654 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

      okay tankie

    • @mateuszowczarek8509
      @mateuszowczarek8509 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Russia is more capitalist than EU or even the US, so he stands with his principles

    • @Booogieman
      @Booogieman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Arguments?

    • @radwilly1770
      @radwilly1770 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I wouldn't say he should "stand with russia", just that he should acknowledge NATO's role in starting the war.

    • @tolethom
      @tolethom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@mateuszowczarek8509putin is no Saint. But to imagine russia Will forgo ukraine to nato is simply delusional. Neutrality should have been accepted

  • @SchmalPacino
    @SchmalPacino 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think Zizek is falling for Western and Putin propaganda at the same time.

    • @grivza
      @grivza 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Then you need to think a bit more about your thinking. What is more likely, that you are seeing some traps that Zizek is falling into, or that you are mistaken about what is it you are seeing?

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not socialist, they are run by oligarchs just like Ukraine.

    • @SchmalPacino
      @SchmalPacino 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@grivza I thought about my thinking and came to the conclusion that its the former and not the latter, lol. Zizek seems to overanalyze Putins regime in terms of ideology and his take on Ukraine going through a fundamental political revolution, while literally fighting for its survival, sounds a bit naive tbh.

    • @stahu_mishima
      @stahu_mishima 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SchmalPacinobut literally fighting for survival is kiiiinda provoking a fundamental revolution. like - at this point, things are inherently going to change

  • @tolethom
    @tolethom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    He is delusional about everything.

    • @oligreen1192
      @oligreen1192 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree. He see a look imaginary phantoms

    • @kremigmitsahne7197
      @kremigmitsahne7197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zizek was always like this. He didn't change. People just don't realize that his whole scheme is delivering a pro-imperialist / anti-Communist message while making himself look like a progressive "Marxist" rebel. Why do you think he's so supported by one wing of the western imperialist elites... He worked in politics back then to destroy remaining socialist opposition in his own country and always cheered for Nato carpet-bombing socialist states like Serbia back then and other anti-imperialist States today. And constantly repeating the western elite's disproven anti-China lies. He's what he's. And he's very successful with it in the west (we in the west are the most brainwashed people, but we think we are the most enlightened because of people like Zizek and media like BBC, CNN)

    • @JapanFound
      @JapanFound 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Post a link to your list of publications, then maybe we'll take your bs seriously.

    • @tolethom
      @tolethom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JapanFound argument from authority is just fallacy. Zizek did not study this question. Does he know Bush announced in 2008 the intention of incorporating ukraine into Nato? Does he know Merkel knew that was a declaration of war and vetoed ukraine in nato? Does he know a heavy flow of Arms is going from us to ukraine since 2014? This is not a simple as it sounds

    • @Leo_Zeo_Lhang
      @Leo_Zeo_Lhang 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Russia is not the Soviet Union. Russia is not socialist, they are run by oligarchs just like Ukraine. NATO should not have been trying to get Ukraine to join but Russia invading is obviously worse. Neither side is good but Russia is worse.

  • @Firmus777
    @Firmus777 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I for one am filled with great hope seeing Russia's style of multiculturalism. It is amazing seeing this variety of forces all united against western imperialism and capitalism. Long live the peoples of Eurasia!

    • @FullMetalPier
      @FullMetalPier 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Man, the Russian Federation function as an empire based on the Russian ethnicity. I'm always amazed how communists still don't want to admit it.