"Both Sides Attacked Me!" Slavoj Zizek on the Israel and Palestine Conflict.
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- The 'most dangerous philosopher in the West' diagnoses our current geopolitical nightmare and offer an urgent and radical call to action.
We hear all the time that we're moments from doomsday. Around us, crises interlock and escalate, threatening our collective survival. Protestors and politicians repeatedly call for action, but still we continue to drift towards disaster. We need to do something. But what if the only way for us to prevent catastrophe is to accept that we're already five minutes past zero hour?
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"Both sides attacked me!" Sounds like something that would happen to Zizek when he opens his mouth 😂😂😂😂
Hahahah
And that is why I love him😂
Because he does not think before talking. English is his second language. He needs to think well before opening his mouth and speak slower. He also uses a lot of vulgar language. I have seen all his U Tube videos. An hour of his talks can be summarized into one biased sentence.
@@fatemehm2949you are a fool
@@fatemehm2949 Such a great linguistical and psychological analysis! It is like you went into his mind and figured how it works! And you know how to summarize full speeches into one sentence as well! I heard they call that a "title" or something. By the way, did anyone ever tell you you are entitled?
What gives me hope: That Zizek is so popular in these times.
This man deserves respect and gets condemnation instead...
I hope he experiences enough acknowledgement that the negative is outshined by the positive
I totally agree, the stress to be in a position of having to self-explain yourself in order to clarify people's minds is, not only once but many times. Might the capacity for people to underdtand complex arguments is going down over the time? I don't understand, he is clear but some still don't get it. Or maybe some personal ideals are to intensified in these times that rationalisation is not an option anymore for them. At least I hope things will calm down for Zizek. But for israel and palestine, there's still a long season, sad but true.
This is the price you have to pay for being a centrist
No one attacked him, he is exagerating.
@@hisdudeness690 He is not centrist, marx doesnt allow this stance.
Thinking from the other's point of view was not unknown to European antiquity. Herodotus talks about other peoples' customs in terms of 'weirdness' (and even 'abomination', like a peoples, from the region that is today Crimea, funereal practices of eating their dead), but not without pausing and reflecting afterward that they too (these remore others) may equally be disturbed by 'our' customs, find 'us' weird (also allowing for the possibility that from their point of view 'our' burying or burning the dead on a pyre may be considered 'reprehensible'). And let us not mention tragedies where not only is the other not dehumanised but it is seen as having an equally powerful claim. Descartes comes after a long line of acknowledging the other.
Emphathizing is inherent to humans, it takes a lot of effort (miseducation, misinformation, propaganda...) to make someone feel comfortable with dehumanizing the "other" to the point where the distinction between combattants and civilians becomes not blurred, but practically erased!
@@dayegilharno4988 I am afraid it is the other way around. Although we, as species, are not incapable of altruism and empathy (thank heavens!), committing evil acts is far more prosaic than good actis. Evil does not require the organisation of energies and that of moral and critical resources the good does. In fact evil revels in the pleasures of unorganised energies, visceral and illiterate drives (and their immediate satisfaction). Recognition of the claims of the other as equally human is an act of a critical and courageous intellect and heart - and it presupposes a world where such are still a faint possibility. Propaganda and misinformation are so successful in spreading (like bushfire) hate and lies because what they spread clicks with uncritical, thoughtlessly reacting to immediate impressions beings in a world that is bent on destroying even the remotest possibility of the good. Our dark times are becoming darker and darker faster than before.
@@allegory6393 Hmm... Had to look up "prosaic", just to make sure. Interesting choice of words, from my limited perspective. I just "know" that I am acting from outside of my, let's say: "spiritual" center when I am acting egoistically, even before the fact and still without being able to influence the decision consciously. In contrast to acting altruistically (at least within the limits of my understanding after the fact), when I feel right at home with the decision but get the impact of people disagreeing with me and struggling to "keep the faith".
There seems to be a divide between knowing what is the right thing to do and actually deciding to do the right thing... I feel like the "Recognition of the claims of the other as equally human..." comes more easily to me than denying that shared humanity. At the same time I face the reality of being a terrible human being, considering my actions, words and thoughts over the past 50+ years - WHEN I make an effort to stop gaslighting myself.
I believe that the term "unorganized" is rather fitting: Free of moral judgements, it describes a state of mind that is counterproductive to everything I hold dear, on a totally subjective level. There is no order and no morals outside of what we want this universe to be. That is Nihilism at its best interpretation!
Love you Zizek always happy to hear you talking, and if anyone caught the slip; Queen Christina was a monarch in Swedish. Happy monad folks!
I’m an Israeli.
I clearly support zizek.
Thank you for your reasonable opinion on these wild days.
That makes us two. Much more clear thinking than most of our politicians here.
He doesnt understand arabic mentality. Beware of accepting his opinions.
Also he wants to keep jews in europe so he can profit of their intellect while they suffer from antisemitism. Fuck that.
Of course you do, he opens his speech about how any form of Palestinian resistence is wrong and bad, and whitewashes everything a criminal apartheid state does.
He is not only a coward, he is also very wrong.
@@PureJoy_ The zionist mentality is a barabaric murderous one, and he keeps white washing it. They are literally committing genocide and Gaza and this guy is playing the "both guys bad" card lol.
“mrbeastified slavoj zizek thumbnail is not real, it can’t hurt you”
mrbeastified slavoj zizek thumbnail:
Always listen to what both sides dont talk about!
Good!
The funny thing is that when Person A accuses Person B of relativizing when they are contextualizing is just Person A recognizing their sympathies with one of the parties in the contextualization, the one they don't want there to be sympathies with. They understand how thing came to be with the full context but they don't want to understand how things came to be in the full context, they want to be justified with their own narrow context.
If both sides have unreasonable expectations, and they attack you, perhaps you can conclude your position is reasonable.
The inference of the conclusion doesn’t follow. Not valid.
@@Aisatsana1971 'perhaps'
@@liborsionko “inference”
@@Aisatsana1971 There is no inference - it's explicit.
@@liborsionko there is an inference- or else it doesn’t make sense to make such a vacuous, empty “explicit” statement.
Mr Slavoj , in the beginning of 20th century the number of jews in Palestine did not ecceed 5% and the british who controlled Palestine at thet time encouraged jews emigration to Palestine until they proclaimed a state and expelled most of Palestinians. The jews were discriminated in Europe but the arabs had ( and still doing) to pay the price .
Jews lived on that land very long before the Syrians (calling themselves 'Palestinians' nowadays) occupied that land. It is Jewish land - it always was and always will be.
However, Ham@s' current slaughter of Jews/Israelis has nothing to do with any territorial dispute.
You can say that the world is unfair, but that isn’t really how you produce peace. Israel will probably exist for the foreseeable future, they have nuclear weapons. If people really want peace, they should accept that Israel will exist, anything else is perpetual war.
Both sides of a conflict having similar impulses, does not mean that both are driven by subjective sensibility.
A just peson believing in his cause is also deeply passionate.
I love ❤this guy
The second most famous Yugoslav after Tesla. Elon Musk should name his rocket to Mars after this man.
This is true. Unfortunately, if Musk's recent behavior is any indication, he's gonna name his rocket "Adolf".
@@pokerandphilosophy8328recent behaviour? For example?
@@enterpassword3313 White supremacist rhetoric, specifically pushing the Great Replacement conspiracy theory and sharing public agreement with the jewish question. It's not a secret, major advertisers just pulled their ads off twitter for exactly that reason.
Yugoslav is not a nationality.
Slavoj is correct. The antisemitic strategy today goes something. Like this.We love Israel and the Jews...in Israel not here
Queen Christina was from Sweden not Scotland right?
Since peace has to be a compromise, that just validates Zizeks thoughts
How does the fact that peace=compromise validate Zizek’s thoughts?
@@Aisatsana1971 because compromising is what neither side wants to do in a war. They always want a total win
@@janekmundt579 how does that validate Zizeks thoughts?
@@Aisatsana1971 it means his proposals might actually work
Religious fundamentalism on both sides means peace is impossible,
Let's be honest, this is now a full-on religious war. Netanyahu can say what he likes about fighting terrorism, about protection for international Jewry etc etc but in reality, he just dreams of reclaiming the Biblical Israel on religious grounds.
Meanwhile Hamas have religious dream of turning Isreal/ Palestine into a caliphate where Jews, Muslims and Christians live under Islamic laws. The dream to recreate Moorish Spain in the holy land.
Both dreams have their potency, their seductive magnetism, hence their refusal to compromise or to fade away. Two dreams that have turned into the perfect nightmare,
Hamas actually agreed for 1967 borders . A lot of you uneducated people are just mumbling
How is it possible that people condemn differentiation and contextualizing so much?
I would love to see Žižek and Harari in one room 😁
They had a discussion on nature a few years ago
That what settlers do, they go and help Palestinians. Sure man.
la idea de que en tu adn o en tu simple adscripcion a una religion hay el titulo de propiedad sobre tierras habitadas por otros, la idea de un desarraigo aun activo en descendientes 2000 años despues
"Hammas is a horrible thing". For a writer, whose written so much, you'd think he would know to NOT even form such a vague utterance; doesn't help.
It seems like this to me:
The war between Hamas and Israel is a glaring example of the consequences of BRAINWASHING:
Genetically, Palestinians and Israelis are the same nation (Canaanites and some minorities of neighboring nations), but "historically", with the Mesopotamian attack 2.600 years ago, they were separated into the enslaved part (Palestinians) and the exiled part (Israelis).
The Palestinian part remained in the original territory, but was forcibly Arabized and Muslimized.
The Israelite part retained a mental identity, but was forced to live without a territory for the next few millennia.
Everything else was just the logical consequences of the initial "sin". (I conclude that the Canaanites did not support slave-owning relations, but the Mesopotamians did and therefore attacked. Later, the same territory was occupied by the slave-owning Romans.)
History is getting an important example of what the consequences of brainwashing are, finally it will be able to be properly observed and defined. Mental problems do not disappear with time. After 2600 years, they are the same as they were when they were formed due to the attack of the Persians from what was then Mesopotamia).
Knowing the mind itself is the next milestone in the evolution of humanity. If problems of the mind are not properly addressed and treated, they cause death.
The dire consequences of any distortion of ethics are inevitable. In their own time, they return to where they came from. They become as painful as when they were formed. They demand repair of the damage.
All people want and need about the same, but great pressures with possible consequences in mental processing, from the creation of them ahead, cause drastic differences. This cannot be solved physically.
I hope that the "ideological brainwashers" (to cover up imperial crimes) will now understand this and stop doing this as soon as possible in other forcibly subjugated parts of the world.
He has a job to do.
As an Arab socialist or Ba’athist, I agree with Zizek. Being deeply religious myself, I won’t whitewash the history of religions or the history of Western esotericism. The truth is that there have been some truly despicable things carried out in the name of religious belief. The best way to counter religious intolerance is through the creation of a proper system of jurisprudence or legal theory - one which outlines a secular society, where neither religious law nor atheism can be weaponized by the state (as was the case under 20th century Marxist-Leninist regimes that were committed to the eradication of religious belief and the occult). People in the comments section who say that Zizek is whitewashing things forget that he is a leftist; and that, as leftists, we are strongly opposed to divine government (i.e. Islamic theocracy). Hamas is not an Arab socialist or Ba’athist political coalition like the PLO is. They are an antisemitic, misogynistic, and right-wing extremist organization committed to the establishment of a clerical fascist state. There is a difference between anti-Zionism, or criticism of the state of Israel, and antisemitism, which led to pogroms against Jews and ultimately to the Holocaust as well.
We are supporters of the Palestinians, not ultraorthodox or ultraconservative theocrats.
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The moment zizek starts thinking his extra intelligence drops down his nose.
la idea de que israeli y judio significan lo mismo, la idea de que los judios originarios por generaciones de otras patrias estan lejos de su patria
It's not complicated - one side has all the power in the region and is doing an apartheid state, expanding illegal settlements and brutalizing Palestinians for 75 years. The other side responds to the apartheid violence almost the only way they can (also committing war crimes, for which both sides must be punished), being trapped and abused inside an open air prison, and also horribly mistreated in West Bank (both of these worse than apartheid, while Israel proper is also an apartheid state, with apartheid laws). So what should be removed first, what is the cause to all of this violence? The apartheid state, or the fight against this apartheid state? Of course it's the apartheid state that must be dismantled and restructured first - violence won't end otherwise, they have all the power to do it, the other side doesn't.
Why not include the numerous wars Arabs waged against Israel so that they could destroy them? Why not include the numerous peaceful resolutions and treaties that were declined by the Palestinians? Israel’s regime is horribly cruel and criminal, but history should not forget how bloodthirsty the Palestinians were too. They are equally responsible for their current situation.
If you think this is about „land“ u must’ve drank all the cool-aid there is and even said „thank you“
What open air prison funds its inmates for years to build any kind of weapons and tunnels? And Israel is not an apartheid state, this is the crazy propaganda you have been exposed by the left for reasons you don’t even know. The only point where you are right is the settlers in west bank
The "apartheid" branding of Israel really stuck, but it doesn't mean it is the truth, just that if you say something enough times, it enters people's perception. Do you even know what apartheid means?
@@user-wn1qp2mw6w The entire premise of the Apartheid state is due to the Zionist regime’s desires to remain the demographic majority and power. Otherwise the idea of it being a Jewish state will be challenged. Therefore, they treat Arabs differently in different parts of the OPT and Israel depending on their location and particular concerns. Fundamentally they are treated differently from Israeli Jews.
The rights of Arabs/Palestinians rank in the following hierarchy: Israeli National>West Bank> East Jerusalem> Gaza > Exile/diaspora. You can mover down (or to the right) of the hierarchy, but each step will limit your rights, and you can’t move up the hierarchy (to the left). A Jewish Israeli however, can move between this hierarchy as they please, while having more and full rights at all stages, and always more than any Arab at any one spot. Again, they are treated differently from Israeli Jews.
In the West Bank for example, Palestinians are subject to a military occupation administration even when they are not in Israel proper (remember Israel doesnt recognize the two state solution or Palestinian sovereignty). Israeli settlers in the West bank are subject to civil courts where as the Palestinians are subject to Israeli military courts, which give unreasonably high conviction rates, sometimes long periods of confinement without even representation, make arrest of minors and can include torture. Why are Israeli settlers treated differently than to Palestinians in the WB? Israel applies different systems of governance and courts on both groups in the WB extraterritorially and unequally. For example a settler committing a crime goes to an Israeli civil court, whereas a Palestinian goes to a military court, often witheld without trail for ling periods of time, in a hearing that has always been condemned as unfair when compared to international standards of fair trails. Why does Military Order 101 Regarding Prohibition of Incitement and Hostile Propaganda Actions punish and criminalizes Palestinians for attending and organizing an assembly of 10 or more people without a permit for an issue that “may be construed as political”. And then why does it not define what is meant by “political”, effectively banning protests, including peaceful protests, while stipulating up to 10 years’ imprisonment and/or hefty fines for anyone breaching it?
Why is a Palestinian’s ability to build homes and move within the west bank restricted and why is the human registry restricted by an Israeli Military administration if they are not Israeli citizens? Why are there tens of thousands of palestinians married to foreign nationals, who cant bring their nationals over because Israels Military administration blocks adding these individuals to the registries, effectively closing them out to immigration to their spouses?
Clearly they are subjected to forms of subjugation and domination even when they are not Israeli citizens, and not in Israel proper, because they are Arab and thats the definition of Apartheid. Remember, under the Rome Statute, the crime against humanity of apartheid means inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.
And how about the discriminatory zoning laws for Israeli Arabs? Why are refugees not allowed to return to their homes in Israel if all Jews world wide can “the law of return”? Why, according to a 2016 analysis by Mossawa Center of the Israeli Ministry of Educations, do Israeli Arabs get a third of the funding per capita for education and other social welfare programs than their Jewish Israeli counterparts? Why is it so difficult to get building permits for Arab Israelis too? Arab Israelis don’t need to join the army, but miss out on social benefits that come with it, which is fair - but why are the ultra orthodox who also dint join the army granted access to those services?
Why are 75% of Gazans registered as non Gazan refugees in the UN Relief? Why are they restricted from using 35% of their agricultural land, 85% of the sea and 100% of the sky by the Israeli occupation?
Why is it only that the Eastern Jerusalem Palestinians the ones who are revoked of their ID cards retroactively, if they cannot prove that Jerusalem is their “center of life”? Why does this jot happen to Israeli Jews?
There are mannnyyyyy more points that make Israel an Apartheid state, but above are a few. Its so overwhelming and multilayered the best thing you should do to read about it. Have you read any of the reports? If you have I doubt you would be doubting the conclusion.
You can go read any of the following: Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The UN Special Rappetoires, B’Tselem, the ESCWA report, Yesh Din, the International Federation if Human Rights. Pick and choose there are plenty more.
da zato sto pokusavas da sacuvas ugled i ostanes neutralan ili ipak iskazujes stav ali u zavijenpj formi. gledajuci klipove zizeka imam utisak da potajno podrzava zapadni nacin, verovatno zato sto tamo moze da plasira svoje ideje
We all support the Western way because it is pure truth!
cista istina, svi mi....hmmm....tako je, a ipak ce nam zakucati na na vrata neka druga istina. bez sarkazma, koliko god tona filozofije prosuli, prosto je, ako ne osudimo zlocin nametnuce se pravda a nosice je ljudi koji ce preuzeti svet, donece svoju filozofiju i ona ce biti primitivizam... mada u primitivizmu leži plotnost pa tako i treba izgleda@@annap.974
@@annap.974😣😖🤢🤮
@@scoobydoo936 You seem to have some serious issues.
Drži se onda tvog "filozofa', Šešelja
The problem that Zizek is running into is that Israel has done a lot of propaganda to equate Hamas with regular Palestinians. They are *not* the same.
they have used and burned all their assets, Zizek was supposed to keep his mask for a longer time, but he did it and it shows who he really is, he is with Nato, he is not against war, he is rubbish
You generally cannot have a properly nuanced, balanced opinion, on anything, unless both sides are passionately attacking you.
It's the culture wars finally finding 2 polar opposite opinions that are both equally indefensible
that's bullshit centrism. i think slavoj receives far more critique from zionists and was just making a point about his caution getting talked shit on
Harari is not the authority thath speaks for jewish people! free israel free judea free samaria free gaza from philistines!
If both sides attacked him then he is surely saying something right.
Invalid conclusion.
Neither authoritarians committing genocide nor decent people observing one are interested in "very good people on both sides".
Both sides are so wrong. And so on
he does not understand any conflict in middle east , just brainstorming doesnt make you right or gets you the right stuff. he is extremely naive and biased with west
It does not matter who attacks you. The point is that your opinion on that conflict has no value
And you think yours does?
There is no winner in a debate over religion. Neither side wants a liberal democracy, they want a theocratic ONE STATE. The Jewish people, majority, want a one Jewish state, The Palestinians want a one Islamic state. Its a waste of time getting involved.
Palestinians want a state , they are christian and muslim and durz palestinians ...
They used to be jewish palestinians ....
You are smart man Slavoj ; so it is time for you to say that the context is Islam ! which cannot accept this fact on religious grounds - the land from the realm of Islam cannot pass onto the realm of war , that the land that for certain time was part of caliphate cannot to be ruled by anyone else - especially Jews, people that are so hated and despised in Islam on the deepest level - this is the heart of the context of this and all other wars. Not the political issue , only the religious one! Division of the land won’t solve it , at least it did not for the last 75 years - and for the near future! 20% of Israel population are Arabs mostly Muslims - with all legan rights of citizenship- this is the oboe possible path forward- secular strong Jewish state where non Jews can prosper and be safe from radical Islamism
Ergo even the colonial britain could have anticipated that there would be resistance against their policy (balfour declaration). This means that all sides knew that there would be resistance but didnt care..
I read the Talmud you can’t fool us
Long live Israel 🇮🇱
I read a paper called jews without Judaism. Like ethnicaly jewish but none religous,
But what doues ethnicaly Jewish, mean? Like Germany and Russia are orten called the heart of the Azhkanz Jiddische world.
My Jewish friends say that,,,and there is a tension in Israel between white Jews (who are the dominant) and the middle eastern jews
Two peoples are at war with each other, let's turn our attention to this blubbering "intellectual" for his expert opinion
Most overrated intellectual out there.
Yes, and you can turn to your blubbering Cheeto, who is about to go to prison, for his expert opinion.
Sniffing and difficult to follow with with his speech impediment , though his ego shines through. He is however correct about Hamas, and some of the very distasteful people in the Israeli government, that are trying to capitalise on the horrendous murder and kidnapping of citizens in Israel, to justify the crimes being committed in Gaza. It's always the civilians that pay for the price.
Anti colonial movement 😂 Says Islamists that say they must slaughter their way to world domination 🤯
Everyone talking about „apartheid states“ and „land“…
This has nothing to do with land.
These are the seeds that religion sown long ago.
„Land“ is just an convenient answer that only meant to distracts from the true answer.
No tolerance for intolerance.
I couln't agree more.
Sure it is not about land.
It’s about the suffering that land theft has induced.
@@ziyaddossri1821Syrians (calling themselves 'Palestinians' today) occupied the land that Jews lived in since forever. It is Jewish land and always will be. Free Israel from arab occupation NOW! ❤
And yes, Ham@s' current slaughter of Jews/Israelis has nothing to do with a territorial dispute.
“Both sides attacked me so that must mean that I’m right!” No, it could also mean that you’re doubly wrong, which sounds pretty probable.
Just that he’s not wrong. Both sides attacked him because he criticised them both and they are both obsessed with the myths of absolute justice and divine retribution which any child could tell them are neither of them viable or reliable strategies.
@@jameslittlewood7821 that's first grader level oversimplification by you. reconsider you pos
Ludvig you have to watch more than 4 minutes before you can make that assumption.
Fascist State x man with couple of rocks : "sides"
Such a coward! I would not be surprised if he was jew himself.
he is a closeted white supremacist. This is a dose of islamophobia mixed with ego. He is not an israel supporter.
The dispute is not about land or two states. It's about the Arab/Islamic desire for the genocide of ALL non believers, not just the Jews.
Not to worry! It's not genocide. Just that if there's war, the Quran permits Muslims to take prisoners of war, and subsequently use the women as sex slaves, ransom or execute the men and convert the children.
But no worries! It's not genocide. And even if you're taken as a prisoner of war, you will still be fed, clothed, etc. too bad you have to be a slave though!
Now let's imagine if Israel followed this logic. Doesn't paint a pretty picture does it?
being brought up in a strictly Islamic household I can confirm that this is most certainly not an Islamic desire, inter faith marriage between Christians , Jews and Muslim is permitted in the quran and there are historic examples of this.
Any how ,did any of you see the church that was bombed in. Gaza by the idf
Islamophobic
there are jews that been harassed in the west bank because they want free palestaine. its a conflict of ethnicity not religion.
Long term peace? Lol Israelis had been land grabbing in the west bank at alarming rates, maybe spend some time learning about what's happening, Zizek, what a disappointment, now go get more books published in Europe lol.
Coke addict
Hey Savoj: this is why "academics" shouldn't be stupid clowns. Stop stuttering and slurping and drooling on your best tee shirt and say something substantive and comprehensible and maybe you can emerge from ambiguity into something sensible.
Translation:
“Slavoj, I don’t understand you, stop stuttering and saying complicated things so I and others can understand you and make you more popular.”
Slavoj not Savoj, Savoj is a type of cabbage.
@@nandanugent well he shouldnt call himself cabbage
Ad hominem much?
Sorry, for your benefit:
“Ad hominem” much?
Tell me you struggled with your GCSE's without telling me you struggled with your GCSE's.
This guy is extremely agitated with unconsidered gestures. He doesn't seem to know history and context. Much ado (much gesturing) about nothing.
And you are ?! 🤣
Get he hell out of Here protect ZIZEK AT ALL COSTS 🫡 a True gem in our modern world
He knows much more than you for sure
Lol You are so fixated on Zizek's involuntary nervous ticks that it's
clear you know nothing about him
Bro don’t let your ablist bigotry get in your way sure your opinion really adds something here *sniff* *sniff* ugh who did that
This dude suffers from too much mental anguish, it should have been illegal to use him for circus purposes.