Tbf I still don't understand what people enjoyed so much about legion. Legion was only decent/good at the end of the expac. As someone who loves playing alts and playing differents specs I got fucked over by legion. It would've been much better if the artifact power was shared across all specs, and made easier for alts to get theirs. And then as a bonus no weapon skins (except for the artifact skins) was kinda sad but that's just a detail. Also I don't know if you mean that Legion felt different compared to other expansion that came after but to me it Legion felt the same as Bfa.
You asked for our take with retail pvp. 1. They have made it far to complicated for the average player to succeed. I shouldnt need to have 30 addons just to be on a level playing field. 2. Healer balance. Its basically Pally/Disc and the rest can pound sand. Personally I think Blizz does this intentionally to force people to reroll each season driving up their metrics, but all it did was push me even further away. 3. Classic is just better. A more simple approach to the game.
This is it boys. I firmly believe that most casual pvpers who were pushing say 16-2300 are now completely discouraged by the amount of bullshit addons you have to download to stand a chance with how important cooldown trading is. Trying to get a new friend into pvp is crazy. Ok download this giant weak aura pack that will send crazy ass noises at you every 3 seconds, 15 different wa/addons to track certain cds kicks, defensives, dr.. everything. It's information overload. Back in the day you were a god gamer for properly tracking CDs and capitalizing on them, now you're just reading a number on a screen telling you when you will die
You dont really need that much, I use weakaura for precoc, totem indicators and arena frames + omnibar. Played retail pvp for 2 months and have 2.9 rating blits 2.3 rating solo. 2.2 on my off spec and 2k on my monk alt. I went in to retail with the same idea, but it wasnt the case, i use the same addons in classic. The problem is the hidden CR system behind MMR that artificially places people all over the place, it just feel super bad when you get stuck at a lower CR than their visual MMR. But I agree a simpler and slower approch is much better
its not the question of him getting glad tho xDD out of question given baseline kinda thing, question is going for R1 or grinding everyday when a que pop in 3's takes 20 min
In an effort to get friends to play wow I was met with unarguable complaints that killed the process entirely. 1. Button bloat. They simply did not want to deal with that many buttons. 2. Queue times. Once they found out they'd have to wait a half hour plus to play the game they lost interest. 3. Addons/macros. Forget about the macros, they never got past needing a dozen addons to compete. They just didn't see the point in putting in the effort to actually learn the classes and skills needed on top of all the BS to play the game when there are other games out there they can just jump right in to and play.
With the new classic retail is pretty much over for me for a while. I was too new to wow in 2019 to appreciate Classic. Now with the anniversary server it’s been a blast and I’m able to appreciate and stick with it.
I really dont enjoy playing things like classic / classic hc etc so watching it, its much more anoying. But i absolutly feel you bro what u say about retail. So i will wait for you in retail see u back in better days :p Dont die in hc :p Greetings shelancia
In retail its so bad healer balance. Im healer for my mates and we are at the point where they are forcing me to play dpriest or they may unsub. I just hate playing dpriest and I dont want to be forced to play something what I dont enjoy. So I just unsubed and chain reaction followed, most of the mates left also.
To save WoW PvP which has been in the dumpster for a decade+, they need to revamp the entire playstyle towards something like Plunderstorm - meaning less abilites and more skill based abilites with shorter cd's making it much easier to understand for new players but also has a high skill ceiling.
Retail numbers have always been a rollercoaster with hype, but the over exaggerated classic binges that are basically the minecraft 2 week binge craving have only been extremely exaggerated with the streamers onlyfangs guild doing it for views/subs and the milisecond they hit 60 and do their first raid it'll die off hard and retail will get a small % back.
I pvp for over 15 years. DF i got 2800 is ss s1. Then i got hard stuck 1800 s2 for months. Just hit 3k in bgb. Im 90% sure s2 blizzard will cap bgb at 1800. That being said i join a guild and started raiding doing M+. That being said i log into wow twice per week and then im done. I dont have 3v3 partners and i just dont want to afk in lfg for hours.
i know the feel of long queuetimes :D i tried making some gold using professions while waiting in queue :D im nearly at 2m gold haha :D so stupid that the queue times are so high
I quit my WoW abo this month. I can't come from work to play WoW and wait 20-30minutes for a fk...g normal BG que or for solo/2v2/3v3. It's horrible, and I don't want to lose hours of my time to play 1 bg. And on the top I pay €12 for that.
I think PvP has hit it's stride and they just simply don't care to pretend anymore. They balance around raiders' inputs like Max and m+ mob aoe farms. The rewards are few and far between, and it just honestly seems like mini games and classic has taken the helm for the time being. Releasing HC when they did with OnlyFangs plans killed any content, participation, or buzz around TWW. I've tried classic, but can only do autowalking and questing for so long before it's mind numbing
Do a fun r1 push before season ends cuz feral is so Pog and free content? but otherwise do your thing/whatever makes you happy. It’s a shame arena is dead season 1 TWW. The other wow games really affect it quickly. Queue times are so bad for non healer
i dont hate you and other people but playing SAME THING I PLAYED years ago its not even fun for me. Good luck mate. i stick with retail no matter what.
Classic is awful. Getting one piece of pre-raid bis or something will take you a week in Classic, whereas in retail you can finish your main's vault in an hour or less. Classic is only good if you have A LOT of time to spend and you are willing to blow it all on one character.
World of Warcraft is not a PVP game... it is a game that has PVP in it, but if that is your sole purpose for playing, will continue to get disappointed. Season 2 for M+ and Raiding should improve drastically. Some classes will potentially flip flop from bottom to top as far as tier list goes or viability.
Blitz is a joke people still dont know strats on map and fight like monkeys in mid lot of decent players quit only the bad casuals that dont know anything are playing right now
Even Snupy is quitting retail. Dire times.
@@TotalRejection yeah we.need shadowlands back
Every expansion since Legion feels the same
Same with less content and less fun conrent
Lol no wtf
Draenor sucked, Bfa was great , sl was amazing. for pvp , first DF season was great so You prob a 1400 hardstuck player
Tbf I still don't understand what people enjoyed so much about legion. Legion was only decent/good at the end of the expac. As someone who loves playing alts and playing differents specs I got fucked over by legion. It would've been much better if the artifact power was shared across all specs, and made easier for alts to get theirs. And then as a bonus no weapon skins (except for the artifact skins) was kinda sad but that's just a detail. Also I don't know if you mean that Legion felt different compared to other expansion that came after but to me it Legion felt the same as Bfa.
Tww feels better than legion in pvp
You asked for our take with retail pvp. 1. They have made it far to complicated for the average player to succeed. I shouldnt need to have 30 addons just to be on a level playing field. 2. Healer balance. Its basically Pally/Disc and the rest can pound sand. Personally I think Blizz does this intentionally to force people to reroll each season driving up their metrics, but all it did was push me even further away. 3. Classic is just better. A more simple approach to the game.
Yep. I play 5 holy priests. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've faced an enemy holy priest in solo shuffle. (2k+ rounds played)
This is it boys. I firmly believe that most casual pvpers who were pushing say 16-2300 are now completely discouraged by the amount of bullshit addons you have to download to stand a chance with how important cooldown trading is. Trying to get a new friend into pvp is crazy. Ok download this giant weak aura pack that will send crazy ass noises at you every 3 seconds, 15 different wa/addons to track certain cds kicks, defensives, dr.. everything. It's information overload. Back in the day you were a god gamer for properly tracking CDs and capitalizing on them, now you're just reading a number on a screen telling you when you will die
You dont really need that much, I use weakaura for precoc, totem indicators and arena frames + omnibar. Played retail pvp for 2 months and have 2.9 rating blits 2.3 rating solo. 2.2 on my off spec and 2k on my monk alt. I went in to retail with the same idea, but it wasnt the case, i use the same addons in classic. The problem is the hidden CR system behind MMR that artificially places people all over the place, it just feel super bad when you get stuck at a lower CR than their visual MMR. But I agree a simpler and slower approch is much better
Classic isnt shit
@@Bubajumba "you dont need that much" proceeds to list numerous addons
Be honest bro you take a break cause you are already glad and it's a good mentally break from retail pvp till next season
Exactky
In previous expansions, glads would still play the game and continue pushing / playing because it was fun.
so you think 1h+ queues are fine?
its not the question of him getting glad tho xDD out of question given baseline kinda thing, question is going for R1 or grinding everyday when a que pop in 3's takes 20 min
Noooo I love watching snupy on retail :(. The duos with faux and trilly, mplus attempts, duel tournaments. Is a sad day :(
In an effort to get friends to play wow I was met with unarguable complaints that killed the process entirely.
1. Button bloat. They simply did not want to deal with that many buttons.
2. Queue times. Once they found out they'd have to wait a half hour plus to play the game they lost interest.
3. Addons/macros. Forget about the macros, they never got past needing a dozen addons to compete.
They just didn't see the point in putting in the effort to actually learn the classes and skills needed on top of all the BS to play the game when there are other games out there they can just jump right in to and play.
With the new classic retail is pretty much over for me for a while. I was too new to wow in 2019 to appreciate Classic. Now with the anniversary server it’s been a blast and I’m able to appreciate and stick with it.
I really dont enjoy playing things like classic / classic hc etc so watching it, its much more anoying. But i absolutly feel you bro what u say about retail. So i will wait for you in retail see u back in better days :p
Dont die in hc :p
Greetings shelancia
Elevator boss always wins
New cam? Shit look super hd
In retail its so bad healer balance. Im healer for my mates and we are at the point where they are forcing me to play dpriest or they may unsub. I just hate playing dpriest and I dont want to be forced to play something what I dont enjoy. So I just unsubed and chain reaction followed, most of the mates left also.
To save WoW PvP which has been in the dumpster for a decade+, they need to revamp the entire playstyle towards something like Plunderstorm - meaning less abilites and more skill based abilites with shorter cd's making it much easier to understand for new players but also has a high skill ceiling.
Retail numbers have always been a rollercoaster with hype, but the over exaggerated classic binges that are basically the minecraft 2 week binge craving have only been extremely exaggerated with the streamers onlyfangs guild doing it for views/subs and the milisecond they hit 60 and do their first raid it'll die off hard and retail will get a small % back.
I really want retail to be good, but mostly I just want them to add the Tinker class already! More classes in PvP to spice it all up!
more shit to balance which aint working
I pvp for over 15 years. DF i got 2800 is ss s1. Then i got hard stuck 1800 s2 for months. Just hit 3k in bgb. Im 90% sure s2 blizzard will cap bgb at 1800. That being said i join a guild and started raiding doing M+. That being said i log into wow twice per week and then im done. I dont have 3v3 partners and i just dont want to afk in lfg for hours.
i know the feel of long queuetimes :D i tried making some gold using professions while waiting in queue :D im nearly at 2m gold haha :D so stupid that the queue times are so high
I quit my WoW abo this month. I can't come from work to play WoW and wait 20-30minutes for a fk...g normal BG que or for solo/2v2/3v3. It's horrible, and I don't want to lose hours of my time to play 1 bg.
And on the top I pay €12 for that.
Watching players play WoW hardcore is about as painful as playing it. Oof
I think PvP has hit it's stride and they just simply don't care to pretend anymore. They balance around raiders' inputs like Max and m+ mob aoe farms. The rewards are few and far between, and it just honestly seems like mini games and classic has taken the helm for the time being. Releasing HC when they did with OnlyFangs plans killed any content, participation, or buzz around TWW. I've tried classic, but can only do autowalking and questing for so long before it's mind numbing
PvP's always felt like a side hobby for Blizzard. It's kinda sad. But it is what it is.
Retail needs a lot more than some dude named Chris to fix it
Hell yea man killing cows to level in classic sounds very fun
They don’t even think about pvp anymore past the launch brother. There’s like 500 people playing it. Sad really.
We just need shadowlands back and thats it
Do a fun r1 push before season ends cuz feral is so Pog and free content? but otherwise do your thing/whatever makes you happy. It’s a shame arena is dead season 1 TWW. The other wow games really affect it quickly. Queue times are so bad for non healer
Died to many times on hardcore and has to meet his deadline!! 😂
retail is cooked the new patch came out and retail is still bad . only thing that can save it is the new xpac
i dont hate you and other people but playing SAME THING I PLAYED years ago its not even fun for me. Good luck mate. i stick with retail no matter what.
I enjoyed my stay
Snupy .... You need to come over to GW2 like I did after 14 years of WoW. You will love it.
The good news is we'll get to repeat how rubbish retail pvp is in season 2.🎉🎉
Classic is awful. Getting one piece of pre-raid bis or something will take you a week in Classic, whereas in retail you can finish your main's vault in an hour or less. Classic is only good if you have A LOT of time to spend and you are willing to blow it all on one character.
Good luck in the future, no point to watch if you're not playing feral in retail.
World of Warcraft is not a PVP game... it is a game that has PVP in it, but if that is your sole purpose for playing, will continue to get disappointed. Season 2 for M+ and Raiding should improve drastically. Some classes will potentially flip flop from bottom to top as far as tier list goes or viability.
alright
Blitz is a joke people still dont know strats on map and fight like monkeys in mid lot of decent players quit only the bad casuals that dont know anything are playing right now
Okay
you scared me! Who would give me the best retail feral guides if you don't play!!! 😢
I will
WOKE culture destroyed this beautiful game. TWW is garbbo. Game died after Legion
WoW died a long time a go. Had to be there during the Wrath/Cata days to see PvP at its height.
Not even gonna watch the video. Did he just say “it’s ass” in medium length format, and he will come back when it’s no longer ass? 😂
bla bla bla just play both whenever u want ?
Saying the same thing 3 times in a row thooo....
The game is dead
Retail sux