I'm a medical student currently at Barts and the london in London unsurprisingly. I was very surprised and quite worried about learning the fact that medical education was very different in the rest of the world to the UK. We already have a system similar to what the speaker was suggesting which works incredibly well and hence the junior doctors in the UK are well known as being the best in the world
Chris Roberts I am VERY surprised and quite worried about learning the fact (is it?) you are a medical student. In my opinion people like you should never be accepted and weeded out long before you get anywhere near medical school let alone near patients, this is why: At what point did Sherman talk about medical education 'in the rest of the world (compared) to the UK'? It seems that you are hearing things which aren't there/real (hallucinations?) - are you sick? You crow: 'We already have a system similar to what the speaker was suggesting which works incredibly well and hence the junior doctors in the UK are well known as being the best in the world' 1. ARE junior doctors in the UK known as the 'best in the world'? If so what EVIDENCE is this based upon or only hearsay and propaganda? If it is a FACT please provide your evidence. If it is just 'well known' but not true (not based on fact) how has that come about and is continuing the lie (and you BELIEVING it) a good thing? 2. What experience of other countries' healthcare systems and medical education have you had/got? 3. You are a person who sounds to be (writes) incredibly arrogant and self-satisfied, NO improvement necessary, everything is PERFECT/THE BEST = the opposite to how doctors should be ESPECIALLY as students = learning. I expect you think that everything you are taught is correct and fact and will NEVER question or innovate. We don't need MORE doctors like that, we have enough already. 4. You state that medical education in the UK 'works incredibly well ' - on what do you base this statement? FACTS please and compare the UK system to others in different countries. I was very seriously injured (and made disabled) by non-consultants (SHO and registrar anaesthetists and registrar surgeon), plus before and after a MASSIVE list of errors at every level, including consultants. That is FACT. Both the consultants (surgery & anaesthetics) were not on-site (a Sunday, or the day before when I was told to go to A&E) and not called in when I was VERY seriously injured. The next day at ward round the surgical consultant ignored my request for info (what went wrong), the surgeon (his trainee) lied to me then the consultant told me to go home (and refused all contact and follow-up after). I think my experience at this op (2005) and others before and my family's after are EVIDENCE that medical education AND ethics/practice in the UK are dangerous, inhumane and cruel - TOTALLY lacking in basic common sense and compassion. What evidence can you provide for your (copied and pasted from others with NO thought) statements? Have you learned ANY humility in the 7 months since you posted this and do you STILL believe what you wrote? I look forward to your response, I will be happy to answer any questions you wish to ask.
So, let's review how Continuous Quality Improvement works for every other system in the world. First: Identify a metric that corresponds to the goals you're trying to achieve. Two: Measure that metric. Three: Implement a change Four: Remeasure the metric. Every moron educator trying to create self-importance or justify their ongoing paycheck ignores this and instead hollers about the need for change without any supportive evidence for the change. This is why an education degree is right up there with a degree in Ouija Board Engineering.
Amazing and super informative ! Love this Lawrence. Integrate & Involve students from the very beginning.
Fantastic! All medical educators should watch this now!
I'm a medical student currently at Barts and the london in London unsurprisingly. I was very surprised and quite worried about learning the fact that medical education was very different in the rest of the world to the UK. We already have a system similar to what the speaker was suggesting which works incredibly well and hence the junior doctors in the UK are well known as being the best in the world
Chris Roberts I am VERY surprised and quite worried about learning the fact (is it?) you are a medical student. In my opinion people like you should never be accepted and weeded out long before you get anywhere near medical school let alone near patients, this is why:
At what point did Sherman talk about medical education 'in the rest of the world (compared) to the UK'? It seems that you are hearing things which aren't there/real (hallucinations?) - are you sick?
You crow: 'We already have a system similar to what the speaker was suggesting which works incredibly well and hence the junior doctors in the UK are well known as being the best in the world'
1. ARE junior doctors in the UK known as the 'best in the world'? If so what EVIDENCE is this based upon or only hearsay and propaganda? If it is a FACT please provide your evidence. If it is just 'well known' but not true (not based on fact) how has that come about and is continuing the lie (and you BELIEVING it) a good thing?
2. What experience of other countries' healthcare systems and medical education have you had/got?
3. You are a person who sounds to be (writes) incredibly arrogant and self-satisfied, NO improvement necessary, everything is PERFECT/THE BEST = the opposite to how doctors should be ESPECIALLY as students = learning. I expect you think that everything you are taught is correct and fact and will NEVER question or innovate. We don't need MORE doctors like that, we have enough already.
4. You state that medical education in the UK 'works incredibly well ' - on what do you base this statement? FACTS please and compare the UK system to others in different countries.
I was very seriously injured (and made disabled) by non-consultants (SHO and registrar anaesthetists and registrar surgeon), plus before and after a MASSIVE list of errors at every level, including consultants. That is FACT.
Both the consultants (surgery & anaesthetics) were not on-site (a Sunday, or the day before when I was told to go to A&E) and not called in when I was VERY seriously injured. The next day at ward round the surgical consultant ignored my request for info (what went wrong), the surgeon (his trainee) lied to me then the consultant told me to go home (and refused all contact and follow-up after).
I think my experience at this op (2005) and others before and my family's after are EVIDENCE that medical education AND ethics/practice in the UK are dangerous, inhumane and cruel - TOTALLY lacking in basic common sense and compassion.
What evidence can you provide for your (copied and pasted from others with NO thought) statements?
Have you learned ANY humility in the 7 months since you posted this and do you STILL believe what you wrote? I look forward to your response, I will be happy to answer any questions you wish to ask.
Great presentation, very entertaining, involve patients in medical education. What a strange idea - why didn't we think of that before.
That's an awesome talk , I Clapped about 2 minutes after it !!!
My regards ,
A medical Student
This Is how its been for a lot of UK med schools for over a decade now...
fantastic
My Twitter handle is incorrect in the description - I am @meducate not @medicate
The aura you threw was 🔝sir.. love from age old India ❤(don't even know you still have this account after 11yrs but meh..)
Muito bom.
So, let's review how Continuous Quality Improvement works for every other system in the world. First: Identify a metric that corresponds to the goals you're trying to achieve. Two: Measure that metric. Three: Implement a change Four: Remeasure the metric. Every moron educator trying to create self-importance or justify their ongoing paycheck ignores this and instead hollers about the need for change without any supportive evidence for the change. This is why an education degree is right up there with a degree in Ouija Board Engineering.