this verse is one of the verses im holding on.. Like Paul, i have a thorn in my flesh., The more deeper I study the word of God, the more closer i am becoming to the Lord, the stronger this thorn in my flesh trying to pull me back. Im having a battle in temptation everyday! This is my weakness. But thru this weakness, it strengthens my faith, for whenever temptation comes, i pray and pray and pray..
My addiction to nicotine is genuinely the worst thorn that I cannot remove. I have to hold onto this verse because I feel like I get no response when asking God to free me from it. It's very disheartening. I feel as if the accuser is telling me that I am not saved every single day because of it. I don't wish to be defeated nor do I wish to die in my sin. Thank God for grace. I deserve it not.
@@TheQweerdeer00 do not feel bad facing the difficulty of trying to remove your addiction. God knows how difficult its gonna be. Trust in the Lord, for His grace is new every morning. Surely it will take time for you to remove that addiction, and God knows it. Depend and rely on the love of the Lord. He understand what you’re going through, and He forgives you ❤️🙏🏻 God bless you
@@gracedtoserve222 Yes our God is faithful. His WORD says in 1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV) No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. So us Christ followers, we should pray without ceasing as God knows our every weakness. We should be joyful in the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (NIV) Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Ask the HolySpirit to guide you and help you. God bless..
Many thanks for that small teaching Brother, I've been trying to tell people for years that Paul's thorn in the flesh is NOT a sickness! Shalom, Maranatha and much blessings to you in Yeshua Messiah 🙏🏻
I Like David's explanation. I thought the same thing. Scripture confirms Scripture. In the parable of the sower, Mat 13:22 says, Some seeds fell among the thorns, (worries of this life and decietfulness of wealth). Perhaps Paul's irritations were caused by people who opposed his doctrine eg Gal 1:6-9. Neh 6:11-13, records that someone had been hired to tell Nehemiah of plans to kill him. HE realized this was intimidation designed to make him commit a sin, (God hasn't given us a spirit of fear) which would have given him a bad name and discredited him before the people.
I don't like being in my flesh suit. "My grace is sufficient for you" gets me through life when I get muddy. I believe our Creator Father is pleased when His children grow in a knowledge of His Holy Word. Great comments my brother friends!
I just read it in the NLT and came to the same conclusion! It’s almost like when God said “my grace is sufficient and my power works best in your weakness” it’s almost like he is saying to Paul you are no different, you know how to use my power. Thanks for the confirmation!!!
Thank you, David, for explaining that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was only a figure of speech similar to someone being a "pain in the neck." Neither one refers to a sickness or disease in someone's body. In the same way, Paul was not asking the Lord for healing when he asked that it, the messenger or angel of Satan might depart from him. The reason the Lord didn't is that He never promises to remove Satan or his angels, but promises to give us the grace to overcome the enemy and triumph over him. We can see this in Ephesians chapter six!
Thanks you, David. We really DO need to CAREFULLY read the Bible ourselves and not believe everything someone preaches from a pulpit simply because he preached if from a pulpit.
New America Standard Bible. I always have experienced that having Greek and Hebrew scholars integrated in the Bible is a significant help for making the Bible so much more relevant and interesting to me. Because of Yancy and Stanford who are Greek and Hebrew scholars in my NIV bible it motivated me big time to read the entire bible. Kjv never did that for me. God bless all of u here.
I used to boast until I heard the Gospel of Grace and you can't boast in the flesh brag. but trust that I still lose my temper act opposite of what I set out to. I believe people need to receive God's grace to survive. We all have a different path but the same Grace available. Nice commentary.
That's why I had to used trolley down the hill with my souls so the trolley parks up to front the pallet by the canal with a breeze block standing it up 😭
Exactly, amen. ;) It amazes me the number of pastors that preach "We can never really know what it is, but it doesn't matter, he just didn't get healed is all". :/
The phrase "thorn in the flesh" continues to be used as a metaphor for "a source of continual annoyance or trouble." It is synonymous with the phrase "thorn in the side," which is also of biblical origin, based on the description in Numbers 33:55.
This explanation makes since to me... I've often wondered why 2 Addicts can pray to be cured, one may be cured, while another will have to use other methods like AA or NA for treatment...
I have often wondered the same thing. As a recovered sugar addict, I did a lot of work but I was praying constantly and seeking help from God. Funny enough, I developed food allergies right when I started recovering from food addiction. I can say that I prayed for both to go away for a while and then for years daily asked God for wisdom. I still have to be mindful of what I'm eating, how much, and why I'm eating it. I did have to do a 12 step program but I'm no longer attending. I'm just thankful that sugar doesn't control my life.
Thank you for sharing that. I have also heard and believe when God said my grace is sufficient for you He was telling Paul you take authority over it. You get rid of it. Jesus gave us power over the devil. We need to lean who He is in us for greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world. Praise God
Sheila Eagy that sounds so true because to not heal it almost seems like the word is lying, especially in the promises of healing in the book of Deuteronomy. God is clear on what we have to do to get full healing or suffer the curses. And with him giving us authority over serpents and demons, we should by faith and obedience be able to overcome. In Daniel 10 Gabriel needed the help of archangel Michael to fight the evil prince of Persia who then called a evil king of Persia. So that would seem that since the angels are a level above us, and God dispatches the angels to help mankind fight in the spirit, any evil spirit we cant defeat with the word and angelic help then it can be done with Christ’s authority. But our faith and walk has to line up exactly how God expects. Cause he said nothing is impossible thru him. (Mind racing as I’m trying to figure this out lol, hope I was clear)
Spot on interepretation. Thank you!! i have also read the thorn was not so much to keep Paul "humble" but that rather that he would not be exalted in the 'eyes of others' as some kind of special servant of God. It was for the benefit of other believers and non-believers to see that Paul was no different than them. This makes more sense to me than the traditional interperation. Which basically suggests God revealed all these things to him, and then in effect 'puinished' him for not being humble enough. That doesn't seem like something that makes sense or something God would do.
Grace is sufficient which means gods favor will still prevail, no matter what he goes through , The word is clear that Jesus promised us healing but not persecution
Hey, I'm really enjoying your videos ❤ !! Thank you for allowing our Lord to use you to help teach babies in Christ ! There are a LOT of questions I have and you've given a lot of conformation on things I believed but wanted to be sure I was on the right path 😊 I appreciate you!
I have been in fear if I am really saved. Sometimes when I pray or read the Bible, evil blasphemous enter my mind. I am a very prideful person and have fallen in my walk more than once. After realizing that I might be in a place without Jesus frightened me very badly. Now I know Jesus is all that matters. I only want him forever and nothing else.
Thorn is a general term denoting negative. When Paul referred to thorn in the flesh, it can still be considered a physical ailment. As you say, Paul referred to it as a messenger of satan. We know from the gospels that physical ailments were often associated with affliction from satan. While it is good that people seek healing from God, God will not always heal for whatever reason he determines. Note that Paul, who was utilized by God for a lot of healings including raising from the dead, also advised Timothy to take some wine for his frequent ailments. This illustrates that while God heals, he does not heal everyone all of the time even if they ask for it.
Being schizophrenic I relate to Paul because I also feel I have a thorn in the form of voices. They can be very critical and hurtful but also they do not allow me to stray from the path. Were I to try or even consider it I would be tormented. So I wonder if Paul had a similar thorn.
My brother has schizophrenia and knows he sometimes will have strong delusions about people trying to poison him thru the food in his facility. I bring him kfc twice a week fyi.
It was a vision, he was receiving revelations, ( to uncover, reveal) just like John on the isle of Patmos. A thorn in the flesh is a perfect example of the Bible interpreting the Bible.
You are correct David! Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” was not a physical illness or sickness, but it was a messenger from Satan that stirred up persecution and trials for Paul everywhere he went with the gospel!
Pail spoke of strongholds of the mind. How we are ti take them captive. I believe it was a strong hold that would speak on behalf of a demon to cause a grandiose spirit. Paul understood how pride and arrogance is dealt with by God. When you're constantly having to defend yourself and on the other hand know of God coming to your defense in great and mighty ways it could be easy to slop into pride. We witness it in the rise and fall of some evangelists.
I have a thorn in the flesh, and it's called Alcoholism. I hate it, can't stand it, don't want it in my life. I can go days without it, but then I completely humiliate myself, and feel like a failure. I have nothing good to say about it, only it makes me want to draw closer to Jesus, that He will draw closer to me, and set me free. I'm in fear, for No drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Keeping my eyes on JESUS, not looking to the left or right Amen.
Paul’s thorn in the flesh? It was obvious that Paul was persecuted by Satan messengers because of Pauls powerful ministry and revelation. . We are not redeemed from persecutions in this world as the godly man will receive persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12. But it wasn’t sickness or disease but persecution
Hi David, I am sure you know that the original text didn't have chapters/verses. Start reading the 11th chapter, which leads up to and flows into the subject. Paul mentions his sufferings several times, eg 1Cor 4:11+, Col 1:24, Gal 6:17, 2 Tim 3 & 4, and the profound exclamation in Phil 3:10&11. Read oall of this together with God's calling on Paul's life in Acts 9:16. It ltroubles me to see so many people reading something into the Bible or speculating, as you have rightly shown about this simple topic, while it should never have been neccessary. May God bless you and your ministry
Where did God say no to Paul's healing...He did NOT. But WOW This is the first time I'm heard it taught properly! Paul asked God three times to get rid of it, and three times God tole Paul how to get rid of it! Paul was not refused!
Tony Michaud could you please explain how he told him how to get rid of it if you can? I really want as much info and understanding as possible, thank you!
👌 Unfortunately I'd been going to a Word of Faith church mind you lol and I have respect for the Pastor been there 7 yrs..I'd had Covid. Still sick. I Went up for prayer, and he told me it was a thorn in my flesh..huh And everything you said, and also "Buffet" in the Greek means to "Hit" or "Strike" which Paul was beaten many times...that's the buffet..
David, another thought - Mat 12:43-45; When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. I wonder if the thorn in the flesh is varied for all of us… and is somehow related to the unclean spirit that was cast out of us when Jesus Christ baptized us with his Holy Spirit (when we were born again, and the Spirit of Christ took up residency in us). The difference between us and those who are not regenerated (born from above) is that the unclean spirit will not enter back into us who are continuing in the faith. But I wonder if that is the source of the thorn… namely, that unclean spirit that was cast out of us can trouble us and tempt us to give into our flesh (thinking of my own life and my struggles at times). I think at times…”who better knows the lay of the land” in my former life, than the unclean spirit that was cast out of me. Just a thought, so take it with a grain of salt and prayer.
Okay I’m still discouraged! I’ve been discouraged for awhile because I’ve been spiritually attacked mentally and emotionally for awhile! I find myself believing God will deliver me until I get to the passage about the thorn in the flesh?!? I’m so lost! Does this mean God will not deliver us?? Please help!
I think it may be a weakness he had for the temptation of the flesh. I'll need to look at Paul through that lense as I read Scripture to have a better understanding. But off the top of my head he was single, grew up and traveled in a highly sexual area, and spoke against sexual immorality a lot.
The third heaven is the ultimate heaven where Christians will live if they are faithful. And Paul was probably referring to John who got to look ahead to the third heaven and see the judgment.
Thank you for the video. And you know there do seem to be demonic messages that enter my mind. There have been running themes all my life. However, what I find interesting is when family, friends, co-workers, and people I know tell me the same messages. Usually coming from people I don't trust all that much, so I never tell them about the message. Likewise, there are Godly messages that enter my mind, and sometimes they are confirmed by family, friends, and co-workers that I can trust without them having knowledge. So watching this video, those messages make a lot more sense with that scripture.
Paul was not talking about himself going to heaven in his body or out of his body he was talking about the Apostle John who got the revelations. Back in those days the revelations were something they didnt talk about much because it was so controversial.
thank you for the lesson on 2nd Corinthians 12:7. I always wondered what the thorn was or what it represented. now I have a better understanding. may God continue to bless you in your teaching of his word. amen.
I thought it was obvious that it was a messenger of Satan, but I thought we were trying to determine what message was being delivered to Paul. I think several theories make sense, but on my channel I dive into why I think the messenger was reminding Paul of his past.
I always thought the “thorn” was depression for Paul. He was getting hurt and disappointed by the ppl he was teaching. He was highly intelligent and seemed like a sensitive man.
Paul was being sifted just like Peter that is being examined or scrutinized carefully to find out the truth about his faith in Christ, so he undergoes that proceeding taste of faith, that why i Lord Jesus Christ says i pray your faith will not fail because it is during this sift were many believers fail because what they feared the most would be upon their lives, remember the story of Job.
Interesting message. The third heaven is where Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Angels reside. It's the heaven we go to if our name is written in the lamb's book of life.
The thorn in the flesh to me is our past, remember the only weapon the messenger or the angels (the falling) have is the past. An the only thing that can keep you humble is GOD the great that use all things for his glory.. (THE PAST). THINK ABOUT IT. WHO Y'ALL KNOW HAVE BEEN A MESSENGER OF SATAN. ALWAYS WANT TO BRING UP THE PASS.
God did not say He is not going to heal Paul. You were mistaken. God said His Grace is enough to heal him, and he has to have faith in God. Paul has taught us ,and we should be better than Paul otherwise you and I learn nothing on Paul's teachings. Whether it was a disease or a sickness ,whichever, it is from Satan worst than Diseases and sickness. Paul stated the reasons. The main point is ,Paul needed to be humble and case closed ,healed and got well.
Jonathan Grandt or possibly a person who reminded him of his past and disobedience. Other thorns in the flesh in th OT were there because of disobedience.
It's a deamon and it hurts ecspically when it affects your thoughts and sometimes actions....But mines controlled and remote pressed by someone who's alive and an Agent of Satan...and their followers cheering him/her on
It is important to know what the thorn was. He says it was a messenger of Satan. So it pertains to a message (thoughts) that Satan tries to derail his ministry with. Now to understand what it was, we need to look at passages in scripture that speak of a thorn and of messengers of Satan. Regarding the thorn, we find in Numbers 33:55 that a thorn would be left in Israel if they fail to drive out all the inhabitants. Spiritually speaking than, it has to do with a sin that we struggle to overcome. This is made clear by way of a passage in the non canonical writing known as the Shepherd of Hermas. For it tells us that every person hears from two angels. The angel of righteousness speaks into our one ear while the angel of unrighteousness speaks into the other. So the thorn in his carnal mind/flesh is the angel of unrighteousness and his attempt to get Paul to commit a grievous sin. This notion is backed up by another statement of Paul's when he says in Romans 7:15-20 that he is a slave to sin and does what he does not want to do and doesn't do what he wants to do. He says that he does do what he hates. The thorn, therefore, is a sin that he has difficulty over coming. So what was this sin? Well, it is pretty clear that it was the sin of homosexuality. In essence, we see that Paul had no regard for women due to his homosexual desires. This is why he kept women under the thumb of men and why he never married.
I agree that Paul's thorn was not a sickness. BUT, you're going to have a much harder time explaining away Galatians 4:13-14 where Paul specifically says he has a bodily illness. Paul writes, "But you know that it was because of a BODILY ILLNESS that I came and preached the Gospel to you the first time; and that which was a trial to you in my BODILY CONDITION you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of god, even as Christ Jesus himself." Can't get around that one. And, I might observe, you are wearing glasses so you are not in perfect health either.
I literally yelled🤪 at this man to tell me what was his thron in the flesh!?🙊 forgive me Jesus... So god didn't deliver him from a evil Spirit wow I'm gone leave this right here bye ✌️
Tia where do you get that from! There is no where it says it was an evil spirit living inside paul. A messenger of satan, means sent by satan, meaning those pple troubling paul where send by satan. The thorns in the flesh it was an outside attack, an irritation, enemies of the gospel, critics etc how do I know that! Thorns in the flesh, Paul used the phrase because it was a Hebrew idiom that referred to Israel’s neighbors who were a constant source of irritation (Ezekiel 28:24). paul was not the first one to use that idiom. If you look on the the verses in the Hebrew bible there is where it refers to a disease or an evil spirit. Thank you!
I know what the thorn in the flesh is . I have had it for a long time. I do not expect most people to accept that I know it or to believe anything I say. The reason someone has it is because they have received surpassing great revelations from God. The thorn truly does come from a messenger of satan and these messengers are not known by most as messengers of satan.. they are praised as wise men of God and scholars of the bible.
David Servant .... Paul's thorn in the flesh was he was God in the flesh! What God creates God destroys! God gave specific dietary laws and his Sabbath .... 2 Colossians 16 Paul abolishes the TRUE Sabbath and the dietary Laws from the Constitution Written in Heaven! His thorn in his side may have been JeZEUS was muscling in on Paul's territory! Butt, we ALL know pope (inc) is god in the flesh! It infers so itself!
PAUL WAS A BAD SHEPHERD THAT WAS DESTROYING GOD'S VINEYARD!! Yeah those that Believe The Word of GOD FOR REAL know what that THORN is Paul's side flesh was!! Jeremiah 12:13 They will sow wheat but reap THORNS; they will wear themselves out but gain nothing. They will bear the shame of their harvest because of the Lord’s fierce anger.”
his thorn in the flesh that Paul mentioned has been used and misused. “Satan Cured him”.... The power over death was given to Satan who opened the book of life. Satans blood.
this verse is one of the verses im holding on.. Like Paul, i have a thorn in my flesh., The more deeper I study the word of God, the more closer i am becoming to the Lord, the stronger this thorn in my flesh trying to pull me back. Im having a battle in temptation everyday! This is my weakness. But thru this weakness, it strengthens my faith, for whenever temptation comes, i pray and pray and pray..
My addiction to nicotine is genuinely the worst thorn that I cannot remove. I have to hold onto this verse because I feel like I get no response when asking God to free me from it. It's very disheartening. I feel as if the accuser is telling me that I am not saved every single day because of it. I don't wish to be defeated nor do I wish to die in my sin. Thank God for grace. I deserve it not.
@@TheQweerdeer00 do not feel bad facing the difficulty of trying to remove your addiction. God knows how difficult its gonna be. Trust in the Lord, for His grace is new every morning. Surely it will take time for you to remove that addiction, and God knows it. Depend and rely on the love of the Lord. He understand what you’re going through, and He forgives you ❤️🙏🏻 God bless you
I am too.. Every single day. It comes. tormenting me. day and night. I thank God He is faithful. This is for my good to keep me humble.
@@gracedtoserve222 have you fasted and prayed yet?
@@gracedtoserve222 Yes our God is faithful. His WORD says in 1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV)
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
So us Christ followers, we should pray without ceasing as God knows our every weakness. We should be joyful in the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (NIV)
Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Ask the HolySpirit to guide you and help you.
God bless..
Many thanks for that small teaching Brother, I've been trying to tell people for years that Paul's thorn in the flesh is NOT a sickness!
Shalom, Maranatha and much blessings to you in Yeshua Messiah 🙏🏻
I Like David's explanation. I thought the same thing. Scripture confirms Scripture. In the parable of the sower, Mat 13:22 says, Some seeds fell among the thorns, (worries of this life and decietfulness of wealth). Perhaps Paul's irritations were caused by people who opposed his doctrine eg Gal 1:6-9. Neh 6:11-13, records that someone had been hired to tell Nehemiah of plans to kill him. HE realized this was intimidation designed to make him commit a sin, (God hasn't given us a spirit of fear) which would have given him a bad name and discredited him before the people.
I don't like being in my flesh suit.
"My grace is sufficient for you" gets me through life when I get muddy. I believe our Creator Father is pleased when His children grow in a knowledge of His Holy Word. Great comments my brother friends!
I just read it in the NLT and came to the same conclusion! It’s almost like when God said “my grace is sufficient and my power works best in your weakness” it’s almost like he is saying to Paul you are no different, you know how to use my power. Thanks for the confirmation!!!
it's all the same, what we going to about my car I want it back
Thank you, David, for explaining that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was only a figure of speech similar to someone being a "pain in the neck." Neither one refers to a sickness or disease in someone's body. In the same way, Paul was not asking the Lord for healing when he asked that it, the messenger or angel of Satan might depart from him. The reason the Lord didn't is that He never promises to remove Satan or his angels, but promises to give us the grace to overcome the enemy and triumph over him. We can see this in Ephesians chapter six!
Thanks you, David. We really DO need to CAREFULLY read the Bible ourselves and not believe everything someone preaches from a pulpit simply because he preached if from a pulpit.
Thanks for commenting! God bless.
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New America Standard Bible. I always have experienced that having Greek and Hebrew scholars integrated in the Bible is a significant help for making the Bible so much more relevant and interesting to me. Because of Yancy and Stanford who are Greek and Hebrew scholars in my NIV bible it motivated me big time to read the entire bible. Kjv never did that for me. God bless all of u here.
I used to boast until I heard the Gospel of Grace and you can't boast in the flesh brag. but trust that I still lose my temper act opposite of what I set out to. I believe people need to receive God's grace to survive. We all have a different path but the same Grace available. Nice commentary.
Quite frankly I don't dwell on what Paul's thorn in the flesh was. I focus on whatever besets us God's grace is sufficient.
That's why I had to used trolley down the hill with my souls so the trolley parks up to front the pallet by the canal with a breeze block standing it up 😭
Then wet my souls in waterfall then stamp the square concrete with water from it so the sun can dry it up😭
Exactly, amen. ;) It amazes me the number of pastors that preach "We can never really know what it is, but it doesn't matter, he just didn't get healed is all". :/
Thanks for commenting, James! God bless.
James get healed from what! The speaker said it was not a disease but it was a messenger from satan.
PAUL'S THORN IN THE FLESH WAS BEING LIFTED UP IN "PRIDE" th-cam.com/video/h-VSkDyux9A/w-d-xo.html.
There's a reason why he didn't say the main point of this passage is pride
The phrase "thorn in the flesh" continues to be used as a metaphor for "a source of continual annoyance or trouble." It is synonymous with the phrase "thorn in the side," which is also of biblical origin, based on the description in Numbers 33:55.
This explanation makes since to me... I've often wondered why
2 Addicts can pray to be cured, one may be cured,
while another will have to use other methods like AA or NA for treatment...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! God bless you.
I have often wondered the same thing. As a recovered sugar addict, I did a lot of work but I was praying constantly and seeking help from God. Funny enough, I developed food allergies right when I started recovering from food addiction. I can say that I prayed for both to go away for a while and then for years daily asked God for wisdom. I still have to be mindful of what I'm eating, how much, and why I'm eating it. I did have to do a 12 step program but I'm no longer attending. I'm just thankful that sugar doesn't control my life.
Thanks for doing the research! I was attracted to the video because it wasn't too long!
Thank you for the encouragement! God bless you.
Thank you! I though for a long time what he meant was a disease and it kept me from believing in and recieving healing.
Thank you for sharing that. I have also heard and believe when God said my grace is sufficient for you He was telling Paul you take authority over it. You get rid of it. Jesus gave us power over the devil. We need to lean who He is in us for greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world. Praise God
Sheila Eagy that sounds so true because to not heal it almost seems like the word is lying, especially in the promises of healing in the book of Deuteronomy. God is clear on what we have to do to get full healing or suffer the curses. And with him giving us authority over serpents and demons, we should by faith and obedience be able to overcome. In Daniel 10 Gabriel needed the help of archangel Michael to fight the evil prince of Persia who then called a evil king of Persia. So that would seem that since the angels are a level above us, and God dispatches the angels to help mankind fight in the spirit, any evil spirit we cant defeat with the word and angelic help then it can be done with Christ’s authority. But our faith and walk has to line up exactly how God expects. Cause he said nothing is impossible thru him. (Mind racing as I’m trying to figure this out lol, hope I was clear)
Spot on interepretation. Thank you!!
i have also read the thorn was not so much to keep Paul "humble" but that rather that he would not be exalted in the 'eyes of others' as some kind of special servant of God. It was for the benefit of other believers and non-believers to see that Paul was no different than them. This makes more sense to me than the traditional interperation. Which basically suggests God revealed all these things to him, and then in effect 'puinished' him for not being humble enough. That doesn't seem like something that makes sense or something God would do.
Exactly. I don't know why people make up stuff about what Paul was talking about.
Grace is sufficient which means gods favor will still prevail, no matter what he goes through , The word is clear that Jesus promised us healing but not persecution
Hey, I'm really enjoying your videos ❤ !! Thank you for allowing our Lord to use you to help teach babies in Christ ! There are a LOT of questions I have and you've given a lot of conformation on things I believed but wanted to be sure I was on the right path 😊 I appreciate you!
I have been in fear if I am really saved. Sometimes when I pray or read the Bible, evil blasphemous enter my mind. I am a very prideful person and have fallen in my walk more than once. After realizing that I might be in a place without Jesus frightened me very badly. Now I know Jesus is all that matters. I only want him forever and nothing else.
Amen🙏🏾
Thankyou, Jesus Bless You
Thorn is a general term denoting negative. When Paul referred to thorn in the flesh, it can still be considered a physical ailment. As you say, Paul referred to it as a messenger of satan. We know from the gospels that physical ailments were often associated with affliction from satan.
While it is good that people seek healing from God, God will not always heal for whatever reason he determines. Note that Paul, who was utilized by God for a lot of healings including raising from the dead, also advised Timothy to take some wine for his frequent ailments. This illustrates that while God heals, he does not heal everyone all of the time even if they ask for it.
Being schizophrenic I relate to Paul because I also feel I have a thorn in the form of voices. They can be very critical and hurtful but also they do not allow me to stray from the path. Were I to try or even consider it I would be tormented. So I wonder if Paul had a similar thorn.
HIS THORN IN PRIDE th-cam.com/video/h-VSkDyux9A/w-d-xo.html
My brother has schizophrenia and knows he sometimes will have strong delusions about people trying to poison him thru the food in his facility. I bring him kfc twice a week fyi.
There's a similar story with David playing the harp for King Saul.
It was a vision, he was receiving revelations, ( to uncover, reveal) just like John on the isle of Patmos. A thorn in the flesh is a perfect example of the Bible interpreting the Bible.
Great to hear someone bring forth truth
You are correct David! Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” was not a physical illness or sickness, but it was a messenger from Satan that stirred up persecution and trials for Paul everywhere he went with the gospel!
Pail spoke of strongholds of the mind. How we are ti take them captive.
I believe it was a strong hold that would speak on behalf of a demon to cause a grandiose spirit. Paul understood how pride and arrogance is dealt with by God.
When you're constantly having to defend yourself and on the other hand know of God coming to your defense in great and mighty ways it could be easy to slop into pride. We witness it in the rise and fall of some evangelists.
NOW CHURCHILL HAS TO PAY OTHERWISE THEY GOING PRISON FOR INSURANCE FRAUD, I PRAY THAT THEY FIND THE CAR 😭
I have a thorn in the flesh, and it's called Alcoholism. I hate it, can't stand it, don't want it in my life. I can go days without it, but then I completely humiliate myself, and feel like a failure. I have nothing good to say about it, only it makes me want to draw closer to Jesus, that He will draw closer to me, and set me free. I'm in fear, for No drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Keeping my eyes on JESUS, not looking to the left or right Amen.
Paul’s thorn in the flesh? It was obvious that Paul was persecuted by Satan messengers because of Pauls powerful ministry and revelation. . We are not redeemed from persecutions in this world as the godly man will receive persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12. But it wasn’t sickness or disease but persecution
Hi David, I am sure you know that the original text didn't have chapters/verses. Start reading the 11th chapter, which leads up to and flows into the subject. Paul mentions his sufferings several times, eg 1Cor 4:11+, Col 1:24, Gal 6:17, 2 Tim 3 & 4, and the profound exclamation in Phil 3:10&11. Read oall of this together with God's calling on Paul's life in Acts 9:16. It ltroubles me to see so many people reading something into the Bible or speculating, as you have rightly shown about this simple topic, while it should never have been neccessary.
May God bless you and your ministry
Izak Visser so true
David, I am a servant; is this your name. Bless you.
Los Angeles means “the angels”, not City of Lost Angels, but I’m tracking with your argument that the thorn may not have been a disease.
.....what camera are you using here? It looks Great!
Where did God say no to Paul's healing...He did NOT. But WOW This is the first time I'm heard it taught properly! Paul asked God three times to get rid of it, and three times God tole Paul how to get rid of it! Paul was not refused!
Tony Michaud could you please explain how he told him how to get rid of it if you can? I really want as much info and understanding as possible, thank you!
👌 Unfortunately I'd been going to a Word of Faith church mind you lol and I have respect for the Pastor been there 7 yrs..I'd had Covid. Still sick. I Went up for prayer, and he told me it was a thorn in my flesh..huh
And everything you said, and also "Buffet" in the Greek means to "Hit" or "Strike" which Paul was beaten many times...that's the buffet..
David, another thought - Mat 12:43-45; When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
I wonder if the thorn in the flesh is varied for all of us… and is somehow related to the unclean spirit that was cast out of us when Jesus Christ baptized us with his Holy Spirit (when we were born again, and the Spirit of Christ took up residency in us). The difference between us and those who are not regenerated (born from above) is that the unclean spirit will not enter back into us who are continuing in the faith. But I wonder if that is the source of the thorn… namely, that unclean spirit that was cast out of us can trouble us and tempt us to give into our flesh (thinking of my own life and my struggles at times). I think at times…”who better knows the lay of the land” in my former life, than the unclean spirit that was cast out of me. Just a thought, so take it with a grain of salt and prayer.
Okay I’m still discouraged! I’ve been discouraged for awhile because I’ve been spiritually attacked mentally and emotionally for awhile! I find myself believing God will deliver me until I get to the passage about the thorn in the flesh?!? I’m so lost! Does this mean God will not deliver us?? Please help!
I think it may be a weakness he had for the temptation of the flesh. I'll need to look at Paul through that lense as I read Scripture to have a better understanding. But off the top of my head he was single, grew up and traveled in a highly sexual area, and spoke against sexual immorality a lot.
The third heaven is the ultimate heaven where Christians will live if they are faithful. And Paul was probably referring to John who got to look ahead to the third heaven and see the judgment.
Thank you for the video. And you know there do seem to be demonic messages that enter my mind. There have been running themes all my life. However, what I find interesting is when family, friends, co-workers, and people I know tell me the same messages. Usually coming from people I don't trust all that much, so I never tell them about the message. Likewise, there are Godly messages that enter my mind, and sometimes they are confirmed by family, friends, and co-workers that I can trust without them having knowledge. So watching this video, those messages make a lot more sense with that scripture.
One question, are those door handles out of level, or is that an optical illusion from the camera?
DEPRESSION WILL BUFFER YOU AND KEEP YOU FROM PRIDE. ITS A RESTRAINER AND SOMETHING TO ASK GOD TO TAKE FROM YOU.
Paul was not talking about himself going to heaven in his body or out of his body he was talking about the Apostle John who got the revelations. Back in those days the revelations were something they didnt talk about much because it was so controversial.
Perhaps so. It is not like Paul to speak about himself in the third person.
thank you for the lesson on 2nd Corinthians 12:7. I always wondered what the thorn was or what it represented.
now I have a better understanding.
may God continue to bless you in your teaching of his word.
amen.
I thought it was obvious that it was a messenger of Satan, but I thought we were trying to determine what message was being delivered to Paul. I think several theories make sense, but on my channel I dive into why I think the messenger was reminding Paul of his past.
I always thought the “thorn” was depression for Paul. He was getting hurt and disappointed by the ppl he was teaching. He was highly intelligent and seemed like a sensitive man.
AMEN
Paul was being sifted just like Peter that is being examined or scrutinized carefully to find out the truth about his faith in Christ, so he undergoes that proceeding taste of faith, that why i Lord Jesus Christ says i pray your faith will not fail because it is during this sift were many believers fail because what they feared the most would be upon their lives, remember the story of Job.
David, why do you think that you’re less than apostle Paul. You are like him
You don’t know it . I don’t know it. The Lord knows it. His grace is sufficient is what matters in the matter 🙏🏿
Thank you. The thorn in the flesh:
“but one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water.”
Hallelujah
you got this teaching is from the book healing the sick of tl osborne?
Interesting message.
The third heaven is where Almighty God, Jesus and the Holy Angels reside. It's the heaven we go to if our name is written in the lamb's book of life.
I see in verses 9 and 10 it says infirmities in the King James. Must be why people think it means sickness and disease.
If we are to know what the thorn in Paul's side was, the Bible would have told us.
Physical ailments in the gospels were often associated with afflictions from satan.
God bless
Amazing!... well explained sir!
Thank you
You are close here he is Matthew 13:22
Dear sir please reply to this comment or anyone who is close to the lord reply please
Paul's unspecified thorn in the flesh kept him humble and reminded him of his complete dependence upon Christ. Our thorn should do the same.
The thorn in the flesh to me is our past, remember the only weapon the messenger or the angels (the falling) have is the past. An the only thing that can keep you humble is GOD the great that use all things for his glory.. (THE PAST). THINK ABOUT IT. WHO Y'ALL KNOW HAVE BEEN A MESSENGER OF SATAN. ALWAYS WANT TO BRING UP THE PASS.
God did not say He is not going to heal Paul. You were mistaken. God said His Grace is enough to heal him, and he has to have faith in God. Paul has taught us ,and we should be better than Paul otherwise you and I learn nothing on Paul's teachings. Whether it was a disease or a sickness ,whichever, it is from Satan worst than Diseases and sickness. Paul stated the reasons. The main point is ,Paul needed to be humble and case closed ,healed and got well.
Nice
Who y’all wannna hit with 👊
His vision.
His thorn in the flesh or pain in the neck was a guy that followed him around trying to discredit the ministry.
Jonathan Grandt or possibly a person who reminded him of his past and disobedience. Other thorns in the flesh in th OT were there because of disobedience.
I know what the thorn be, and I can scripturely prove it.
Tumelo Nkodima do so
I'd like to hear it
HIS THORN IN PRIDE th-cam.com/video/h-VSkDyux9A/w-d-xo.html
This errs in our world,so change it.
Let heard hear please,!!!!!!!!
DEPRESSION
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I agree. You need a better mic though. Thanks for sharing!
Lol. Maybe it's your earphones? 😆
It's a deamon and it hurts ecspically when it affects your thoughts and sometimes actions....But mines controlled and remote pressed by someone who's alive and an Agent of Satan...and their followers cheering him/her on
GET TO IT!!!
It is important to know what the thorn was. He says it was a messenger of Satan. So it pertains to a message (thoughts) that Satan tries to derail his ministry with.
Now to understand what it was, we need to look at passages in scripture that speak of a thorn and of messengers of Satan. Regarding the thorn, we find in Numbers 33:55 that a thorn would be left in Israel if they fail to drive out all the inhabitants. Spiritually speaking than, it has to do with a sin that we struggle to overcome. This is made clear by way of a passage in the non canonical writing known as the Shepherd of Hermas. For it tells us that every person hears from two angels. The angel of righteousness speaks into our one ear while the angel of unrighteousness speaks into the other. So the thorn in his carnal mind/flesh is the angel of unrighteousness and his attempt to get Paul to commit a grievous sin. This notion is backed up by another statement of Paul's when he says in Romans 7:15-20 that he is a slave to sin and does what he does not want to do and doesn't do what he wants to do. He says that he does do what he hates.
The thorn, therefore, is a sin that he has difficulty over coming. So what was this sin? Well, it is pretty clear that it was the sin of homosexuality. In essence, we see that Paul had no regard for women due to his homosexual desires. This is why he kept women under the thumb of men and why he never married.
I agree that Paul's thorn was not a sickness. BUT, you're going to have a much harder time explaining away Galatians 4:13-14 where Paul specifically says he has a bodily illness. Paul writes, "But you know that it was because of a BODILY ILLNESS that I came and preached the Gospel to you the first time; and that which was a trial to you in my BODILY CONDITION you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of god, even as Christ Jesus himself." Can't get around that one. And, I might observe, you are wearing glasses so you are not in perfect health either.
He was sick but momentarily and has nothing to do with the thorn
It was his ex-wife.
It was a SIN. SO HE COULDN'T EXALT HIS SELF.
I believe it was a past sin when he was Saul. He did have Stephen killed. I believe the agent of Satan was a demon tormenting him about his past sins
Persecution. May even have been from a DEMON.
Makes some sense. One of three explanations that seems to fit
I literally yelled🤪 at this man to tell me what was his thron in the flesh!?🙊 forgive me Jesus... So god didn't deliver him from a evil Spirit wow I'm gone leave this right here bye ✌️
Tia where do you get that from! There is no where it says it was an evil spirit living inside paul. A messenger of satan, means sent by satan, meaning those pple troubling paul where send by satan. The thorns in the flesh it was an outside attack, an irritation, enemies of the gospel, critics etc how do I know that! Thorns in the flesh, Paul used the phrase because it was a Hebrew idiom that referred to Israel’s neighbors who were a constant source of irritation (Ezekiel 28:24). paul was not the first one to use that idiom. If you look on the the verses in the Hebrew bible there is where it refers to a disease or an evil spirit. Thank you!
I know what the thorn in the flesh is . I have had it for a long time. I do not expect most people to accept that I know it or to believe anything I say. The reason someone has it is because they have received surpassing great revelations from God. The thorn truly does come from a messenger of satan and these messengers are not known by most as messengers of satan.. they are praised as wise men of God and scholars of the bible.
David Servant .... Paul's thorn in the flesh was he was God in the flesh! What God creates God destroys! God gave specific dietary laws and his Sabbath .... 2 Colossians 16 Paul abolishes the TRUE Sabbath and the dietary Laws from the Constitution Written in Heaven! His thorn in his side may have been JeZEUS was muscling in on Paul's territory! Butt, we ALL know pope (inc) is god in the flesh! It infers so itself!
PAUL WAS A BAD SHEPHERD THAT WAS DESTROYING GOD'S VINEYARD!!
Yeah those that Believe The Word of GOD FOR REAL know what that THORN is Paul's side flesh was!!
Jeremiah 12:13
They will sow wheat but reap THORNS;
they will wear themselves out but gain nothing.
They will bear the shame of their harvest
because of the Lord’s fierce anger.”
paul is the fake apostle.
Close!! But not quite complete...
It was kidney stones. That's exactly what they feel like. Lol
his thorn in the flesh that Paul mentioned has been used and misused. “Satan Cured him”.... The power over death was given to Satan who opened the book of life. Satans blood.
Thank you
AMEN