I'm guessing Harley Davidson? Fun fact, Harley, MTD and Champion Power's engines are all made by Zongshen. Yes, Champion, everyone's favourite budget generator. I also like Champion generators.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I’ve had a cub cadet sc 700 e for about 5 years now with one of those Chinese engines and have beat the heck out of it and had no issue with it at all. Change the oil regularly and have found no metal or anything in it. The only thing I don’t like about it is that the carb will leak gas when u tip the mower over. I would definitely like to see a name brand or an American made engine on it though. Last year I got a RZT L cub cadet with a kohler 7000(the one that is made in America) and it has been fantastic. Only issue is it eats solenoid for breakfast😋
Cub cadet is underrated, but that doesn’t mean they are as good as Exmark and scag. I personally think their mowers are actually very good and almost as good and scag toro etc. they also make some of the best walk behind snowblowers out there
MTD makes Cub Cadet and others; if MTD mowers are the same as MTD snow blowers, then it's an "MTD designed engine" made in China. I have an MTD snow blower with the same Chinese engine manufacturer as you highlight here. It's a good engine with no issues since 2016. B&S "makes" engines made in China too for certain applications like my generator... can't avoid the reality of today's corporate economics.
Here’s what people don’t understand about China that is the same as American products. There’s cheap Chinese products and there’s premium products. Same for American made stuff. Problem is we always see more of the cheap stuff here and just assume that all of the China built things are of the lesser quality.
from what i can gather, it looks like it has some parts from a Loncin engine. who ever the hell they are. but they could also be owned by zongshen also.
I do like these engines coming from one 14yo novice mechanic to a 20 year old one they are reliable and I use the same cub cadet mower but with caster wheels in the front for my mowing jobs
My Craftsman M270 self propelled mower has this exact engine on it with one extra feature on it which is electric start that uses the Craftsman V20 battery to operate the electric start portion of it and this is the 3rd or 4th year I've had the mower and so far no engine issues as of yet. And I believe the brand name of this engine is Powermore
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yeah I agree with you on that one the only issue I can say that I have with it and it's just something I may have to get used to is sometimes the engine will smoke blue smoke for a few seconds on startup but that might be because of the way we have to tilt the mower to get it out of our shed each time plus it could be from tilting it to clean under the mower but we always tilt it straight back with the handle on the ground so the spark plug is straight up in the air so that it's not tilting towards the valve cover because another small engine channel I watch said to not tilt the mower so the valve cover is towards the ground and I took their advice on that
They don’t hold up. We bought a Cub Cadet Push Trimmer and it worked for one season, when the next season came around it wouldn’t start even though we left the tank empty and only use pure gas with stabilizers. The local tractor supply replaced the carb under warranty and it worked for one cut and then just quit. Would not recommend their products.
I've had the pleasure of using and owning MTD/PowerMore/Cub Cadet engines, they're not bad as you think. Besides, Toro only has house brand engines. They are basically modelled off of the Honda GXV120/140/160 engine. @Donyboy73 says he's had more problems with Briggs than PowerMore.
I like this engine too but for the price you pay for what's perceived to be a "better brand" I would hope for a better engine. As for engines preference I can only vouch for Honda stuff since it's my personal mower and I don't use the other stuff...I only fix it.
I picked up a Mountfield a few weeks ago that wasn’t starting and they’ve switched from Briggs to some unbranded engine in recent years. I was actually quite impressed with its performance and design.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE i kept it for a couple of weeks and cut my own and neighbours grass with it. Then i sold it on FB because it was in relatively clean condition and I already have a Honda.
Zongshen is one of the better Chinese manufacturers. It's not a Honda GX nowhere close but it's a cut above other Honda clones, even Toro and the "known" brands are using. Also Briggs has been making motors in china for a long time now, check the stampings on any post 2000 Briggs, you'll find a couple made over seas. If you want quality every time and have the money to pay for it. Honda all day everyday. You can google the stress tests people do guys have revved 4k revving engines to 10k and they don't explode for a while. Project farm recently tested some engines and ofc Honda came out on top.
I'd be more worried about that front wheel drive. Front wheel drive sucks on self propels. Get rear wheel drive . Or the new 4 wheel drive that came out few years back.
Why is everybody so shocked to find a Chinese engine on their lawnmowers, the CEO's for the US manuf's decided we can't build anything cheap enough in the US, so they outsource everything. (door plug for Boeing comes from Malaysia) Its a Honda clone, there are several versions. I see a lot of folks on here longing for the good ol' American brands (B and S for example), if you've owned one of these lately they aren't that good anymore, and I suspect they are also built somewhere other than the US.
the only deference is that you know what the predator engine is, but those buying a fairly expensive Cub, might know, and to be honest, I don't think those that buy them, seem to care. So I guess everyone wins. thank you Guying playing with tools
@INSIDE HOUSE GARAGE True true. I bought it intentionally, knowing I was getting a knock-off. When I am out hunting for equipment, I look at the motor first and everything else second... if I saw that, I would walk unless I had an idea for something and needed a disposable motor.
Pay for a name like cub cadet? You make it sound like that’s a premium brand. Would not catch me ever buying a cub cadet. Whoever marketed that name needs to look for another job.😊
I have this same mower, I was skeptical, but like any engine, it will last if and only if u know how to take care of it. I still am skeptical of the “check and add” oil tho, never changing the oil sounds wrong, but the oil is still clean. 4 years and starts first pull every time
This is why Honda makes the best gas push mowers but, they are being discontinued due to CARB lawsuits. Nowadays it’s just better to get a cordless electric mower if you are on the market for a new push mower. Those Honda mowers costs just as much as a high quality equivalent cordless electric mower with battery and charger included if not more.
LCT Chinese engine. (Liquid combustion engine) not a terrible engine defenitley improving over the years. The old cub cadet garden tractors are excellent. Cub was bought by mtd in 1981. The quality has gone down very much over the years. Cub is not a real brand it’s simply an mtd product with the name and color scheme attached.
I’ve the same mower starts runs good than I shut it off and start again it won’t go to full throttle? If it cools it’s ok again. Only two years old. My last mower a Craftsman with a tecumsi engine ran great for 17 years till deck rotted out. Think I’ll go electric
Cub cadet push mowers are decent mowers but not worth the price. But in all honestly they are really just clones of Toros brig engines. Its actually possible to part swap them.
It's another "new normal" these days. You get less but pay more. I agree with you. I'm no engine snob but I feel if you pay a premium price you should get a premium product.
They’re the same as the Powermore engines and, while they’re not as good as the Loncin engines used by Toro and others, they really aren’t that bad IMO. I’ve got two Cub Cadet mowers here waiting to be restored with this same engine on both of them, at least they’re easy to work on. Finding the right parts can be a challenge tho.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE ya, I was kind of disappointed when I took the housing off and saw that engine too. Even though it’s basically an MTD variant, it’s still a “premium” variant and one would expect a better power plant.
the Robin is a knock off of a Honda , The HF predator is not that bad of a engine I have used a few on log splitters . big down fall is parts hard to get Pull start recoil and dogs . im sure the zongshen be just fine .
Yep, typical MTD. I have a Chinese engine on my snow blower and am not impressed. If you are going to pay top dollar, it should have a made in USA engine. Especially in these times where we are close to war with them.
so big name using random chinese engine? 🤔 depending on the source. it could be terrible. or could be great. not all chinese brands are bad as we associate them to be. especially since so many big names import parts from china and sometimes whole engines. but if they just went cheapest. then its not a good sign. 😳
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE that engine is on a 1967 honda ct90, but I have and have had lots of others over the years. Ct70s, xr70r, xr200r, xr250r, honda spree 50, and some kawasaki trail bikes too.
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I have a place in my heart for Briggs and Stratton
me too.
And not Tecumseh.
@@sweetdrahthaar7951Tecumseh is long gone now. Same with Clinton engines..
my motorcycle and pressure washer both have zongshen and they both have been super reliable
thanks for vouching for them
lol... keep us updated on this engine. I'm serious, cos I'd like to know.
I'm guessing Harley Davidson? Fun fact, Harley, MTD and Champion Power's engines are all made by Zongshen. Yes, Champion, everyone's favourite budget generator. I also like Champion generators.
Some of this Chinese engines are not as bad as they are told to be, they really have improved a ton.
probably so
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I’ve had a cub cadet sc 700 e for about 5 years now with one of those Chinese engines and have beat the heck out of it and had no issue with it at all. Change the oil regularly and have found no metal or anything in it. The only thing I don’t like about it is that the carb will leak gas when u tip the mower over. I would definitely like to see a name brand or an American made engine on it though. Last year I got a RZT L cub cadet with a kohler 7000(the one that is made in America) and it has been fantastic. Only issue is it eats solenoid for breakfast😋
@@waterwater344 They are basically a clone of a Honda GXV120/140/160, very much like Kohler's walk behind mower engines.
Cub cadet is underrated, but that doesn’t mean they are as good as Exmark and scag. I personally think their mowers are actually very good and almost as good and scag toro etc. they also make some of the best walk behind snowblowers out there
they seem to get the job done for sure, thank you for the comment
It’s cub cadet 😂
MTD makes Cub Cadet and others; if MTD mowers are the same as MTD snow blowers, then it's an "MTD designed engine" made in China. I have an MTD snow blower with the same Chinese engine manufacturer as you highlight here. It's a good engine with no issues since 2016. B&S "makes" engines made in China too for certain applications like my generator... can't avoid the reality of today's corporate economics.
very true
them older b&s flat heads last a long time if i might add
yes they do
Here’s what people don’t understand about China that is the same as American products.
There’s cheap Chinese products and there’s premium products.
Same for American made stuff.
Problem is we always see more of the cheap stuff here and just assume that all of the China built things are of the lesser quality.
very true
Here's what people don't Understand is American made is the new Chinese
The question we should all ask is what engine did Zongshen copy?
from what i can gather, it looks like it has some parts from a Loncin engine. who ever the hell they are. but they could also be owned by zongshen also.
it could also be copying a honda 163cc.
@@thebigun. Loncin is a much better engine, not affiliated with these guys.
I feel as though they are a poor Kohler copy.
very true
You're kidding me, Cub Cadet is a high quality brand name?
you don't think so?
NO !!!!!!!!!
I had a 6.5 horse craftsman cut so much grass it blew up it made it money back plus some
as it should be, use it and get your monies worth out of it.
Engine reminds me of the Wisconsin in my generator. (12 years old). I'm seeing Kohler too.
I get the same feeling
I do like these engines coming from one 14yo novice mechanic to a 20 year old one they are reliable and I use the same cub cadet mower but with caster wheels in the front for my mowing jobs
nothing wrong with them, just wished it was a "branded" engine
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I respect that
I have a cub just like that I have had it for 5 years, it’s indestructible and it starts first pull evrey time
nice, glad to see it's working out for you!
You can’t run fast enough to give me a mower with a Briggs motor
LOL!!
Chinese are durable and reliable these days. Better than bs faulty models for sure lol.
this engine is pretty good, but not for the money you spend on the "cub" name.
I have a Cub cadet it has running issues
sorry to hear that, what kind of issues does it have?
hell I was thinking tecumseh but you really pulled out the Chinese Deluxe
LOL!!
Yep I understand. I like Honda, Kawasaki and Kohler myself.
good choices
Looks like the twilight zone struck again. The only one I never have liked (so far) was Tecumseh. I might be progressing some. BLESSING!
very weird
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I always thought the days were goofy a while back but they're NOTHING compared to NOW!
It looks like a Predator engine.
it does doesn't it.
My Craftsman M270 self propelled mower has this exact engine on it with one extra feature on it which is electric start that uses the Craftsman V20 battery to operate the electric start portion of it and this is the 3rd or 4th year I've had the mower and so far no engine issues as of yet. And I believe the brand name of this engine is Powermore
thank you Randy Torboli, I appreciate your time. I have nothing against powermore but to put it on such an expensive mower is kind of cheap.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yeah I agree with you on that one the only issue I can say that I have with it and it's just something I may have to get used to is sometimes the engine will smoke blue smoke for a few seconds on startup but that might be because of the way we have to tilt the mower to get it out of our shed each time plus it could be from tilting it to clean under the mower but we always tilt it straight back with the handle on the ground so the spark plug is straight up in the air so that it's not tilting towards the valve cover because another small engine channel I watch said to not tilt the mower so the valve cover is towards the ground and I took their advice on that
it could be.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE that's what I'm thinking
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Just comes down to manufacturing cost and corporate profit.
daaaang basically a rebadged walmart mower.
LOL!!
I work at a dealership. EVERY engine available today, parts are made in china, assembled in usa. You will not get away from it.
you are correct, thanks to corporate greed
Secretly a Yard Machines (MTD like others said) mower.
agreed
All OHV engines are designed to break in a few years.
I can see that
I’ve found that getting parts for these even if they are only a couple of years old is challenging.
yes I can agree to that
They don’t hold up. We bought a Cub Cadet Push Trimmer and it worked for one season, when the next season came around it wouldn’t start even though we left the tank empty and only use pure gas with stabilizers. The local tractor supply replaced the carb under warranty and it worked for one cut and then just quit. Would not recommend their products.
thank you Lord Xandalf
Should probably be mad at your politicians for pushing all of this ethanol fuel, not the manufacturer
@@hankmcdavid722 we only use non ethanol gas in our machines.
@@lordxandalfStill has alcohol in it just not grain alcohol.
@@MUUKOW3 no it doesn’t, it is pure gasoline
I've had the pleasure of using and owning MTD/PowerMore/Cub Cadet engines, they're not bad as you think. Besides, Toro only has house brand engines. They are basically modelled off of the Honda GXV120/140/160 engine.
@Donyboy73 says he's had more problems with Briggs than PowerMore.
I like this engine too but for the price you pay for what's perceived to be a "better brand" I would hope for a better engine. As for engines preference I can only vouch for Honda stuff since it's my personal mower and I don't use the other stuff...I only fix it.
Dependable Briggs and straton
I bought a 2020 cub cadet rider and it didn't have a briggs or a Kohler it had some in house engine that cub cadet made themselves
I hate to tell you but that's what they want you to think, it's a rebrand of an off brand engine.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yeah i was kinda disappointed when i seen it wasn't a Kohler or something
It's Made in the USA you're wrong for complaining about that motor
the engine is not made in the US.
Have had one for 6 yrs. Starts on second pull. Always
I picked up a Mountfield a few weeks ago that wasn’t starting and they’ve switched from Briggs to some unbranded engine in recent years. I was actually quite impressed with its performance and design.
do you take care of the engine and mower then?
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE i kept it for a couple of weeks and cut my own and neighbours grass with it. Then i sold it on FB because it was in relatively clean condition and I already have a Honda.
looks in good shape from my view and maybe a valve adjustment might be ideal as there,s a bit of oil under the head or the gasket etc.
it had an intermittent stoping issues, that was related to the carb, but it still ran quite nicely
Zongshen is one of the better Chinese manufacturers. It's not a Honda GX nowhere close but it's a cut above other Honda clones, even Toro and the "known" brands are using. Also Briggs has been making motors in china for a long time now, check the stampings on any post 2000 Briggs, you'll find a couple made over seas. If you want quality every time and have the money to pay for it. Honda all day everyday. You can google the stress tests people do guys have revved 4k revving engines to 10k and they don't explode for a while. Project farm recently tested some engines and ofc Honda came out on top.
Well said, still too much to pay for a Cub though.
I'd be more worried about that front wheel drive. Front wheel drive sucks on self propels. Get rear wheel drive . Or the new 4 wheel drive that came out few years back.
you are correct it's definitely has it's drawback.
it looks like a power more engine some some reason
you might be right, maybe someone with more information might chime in .
Why is everybody so shocked to find a Chinese engine on their lawnmowers, the CEO's for the US manuf's decided we can't build anything cheap enough in the US, so they outsource everything. (door plug for Boeing comes from Malaysia) Its a Honda clone, there are several versions. I see a lot of folks on here longing for the good ol' American brands (B and S for example), if you've owned one of these lately they aren't that good anymore, and I suspect they are also built somewhere other than the US.
cub cadet Is a very expensive brand and to see an engine of this caliber on there is less than inspiring.
Because Cub is owned by MTD.
is it? thanks for letting me know
I have a Predator on my go cart. It's not much more than a Chinese Honda and it's been great. That said, the Quantum is the best.
the only deference is that you know what the predator engine is, but those buying a fairly expensive Cub, might know, and to be honest, I don't think those that buy them, seem to care. So I guess everyone wins. thank you Guying playing with tools
@INSIDE HOUSE GARAGE True true. I bought it intentionally, knowing I was getting a knock-off. When I am out hunting for equipment, I look at the motor first and everything else second... if I saw that, I would walk unless I had an idea for something and needed a disposable motor.
Pay for a name like cub cadet? You make it sound like that’s a premium brand. Would not catch me ever buying a cub cadet. Whoever marketed that name needs to look for another job.😊
You make a good point
I have this same mower, I was skeptical, but like any engine, it will last if and only if u know how to take care of it. I still am skeptical of the “check and add” oil tho, never changing the oil sounds wrong, but the oil is still clean. 4 years and starts first pull every time
taking care of most thing, will make it last longer so yes I completely agree with you.
Took a crap 1 month after my 3rd year owning.
that sucks
This is why Honda makes the best gas push mowers but, they are being discontinued due to CARB lawsuits. Nowadays it’s just better to get a cordless electric mower if you are on the market for a new push mower. Those Honda mowers costs just as much as a high quality equivalent cordless electric mower with battery and charger included if not more.
I know right!
Ryobi builds them and they are one of the best engines I've ever owned they are not junk
Mine lasted a long time hello Chinese engine Kick-Ass, the flywheel broke after 7 years
exactly
Hey it from my hometown Cleveland Ohio
cool!
I got the same mower I haven't got to it yet to see what is wrong with it
good luck with it, they're not a bad mower at all.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE something to look forward to
Chinese engine
Powermore branded in the us.
thanks!
LCT Chinese engine. (Liquid combustion engine) not a terrible engine defenitley improving over the years. The old cub cadet garden tractors are excellent. Cub was bought by mtd in 1981. The quality has gone down very much over the years. Cub is not a real brand it’s simply an mtd product with the name and color scheme attached.
thank you for the information
I had a dirt bike from them never had a problem with them it was a good dirt bike easy to work on as well but thats my opinion
thanks!
Briggs & Stratton is owned by chinese company now
where did you hear that from?
I’ve the same mower starts runs good than I shut it off and start again it won’t go to full throttle? If it cools it’s ok again. Only two years old. My last mower a Craftsman with a tecumsi engine ran great for 17 years till deck rotted out. Think I’ll go electric
it's your choice but your sounds like I might have a choke issue which if stuck could cause the same issue.
Thanks I’ll check it out👍
no problem
I'l make a bet the mower is made by a third party.
good bet
Cub cadet push mowers are decent mowers but not worth the price. But in all honestly they are really just clones of Toros brig engines. Its actually possible to part swap them.
thank you
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE np bud
Honestly I think it's the same motor as a Power Smart mower. Possibly made in the same factory.
I believe you are correct
Whether you know it or not 90% of your riding mowers and your push mowers killers are all made by MTD
Why do we give jobs to our enemies then be surprised when they sell us bunk shit
I know right!
Mtd/powermore not bad for Chinese mill
It's another "new normal" these days. You get less but pay more. I agree with you. I'm no engine snob but I feel if you pay a premium price you should get a premium product.
agreed
cub cadet didn't till they were owned by mtd
One that runs.😅
I think they are overrated. Probably one of the more expensive residential brands
I can agree with that one
They’re the same as the Powermore engines and, while they’re not as good as the Loncin engines used by Toro and others, they really aren’t that bad IMO. I’ve got two Cub Cadet mowers here waiting to be restored with this same engine on both of them, at least they’re easy to work on. Finding the right parts can be a challenge tho.
you make a good point. It's just that, CC stuff is not cheap but they don't use "better" engines, is kinda weird.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE ya, I was kind of disappointed when I took the housing off and saw that engine too. Even though it’s basically an MTD variant, it’s still a “premium” variant and one would expect a better power plant.
very true
Those over head valve engines are just as reliable as a old briggs flathead. 🙃 for a while they used to be crap ik. But times have changed brother
thank you Jerod Hamilton
They are fairly decent..
I have every belief they'll work just fine, just wanted more for the money.
Use fresh gas, fresh oil, should be fine
Fkn Chonda..
You don't want a fwd regardless of the make
No traction
it's true, it's rather worthless, but it's better than nothing
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
Yes better than a push mower
the Robin is a knock off of a Honda , The HF predator is not that bad of a engine I have used a few on log splitters . big down fall is parts hard to get Pull start recoil and dogs . im sure the zongshen be just fine .
thank you JCcanU
It’s possible that it’s not really a cub cadet with only cub cadet branding and that’s why it has such a crappy engine.
ah you bring up a good point.
Maybe a loncin
possible
probably as good as a briggs. theyve gone down hill
agreed
Cub Cadet is simply MTD. Just say no!
that's what I've been told too
Club cadet is not a quality name anymore
it seems that way.
Yep, typical MTD. I have a Chinese engine on my snow blower and am not impressed. If you are going to pay top dollar, it should have a made in USA engine. Especially in these times where we are close to war with them.
I know right
so big name using random chinese engine? 🤔 depending on the source. it could be terrible. or could be great. not all chinese brands are bad as we associate them to be. especially since so many big names import parts from china and sometimes whole engines. but if they just went cheapest. then its not a good sign. 😳
I would hope they would use a brand name engine for a decent brand of lawn equipment
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE you would think. but not always. obviously
Honda knock off?
I think so
Them zongshens ain't bad at all. Got one on one of my honda motorcycles and it's given me less problems than my real honda engines.
which motorcycle do you have?
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE that engine is on a 1967 honda ct90, but I have and have had lots of others over the years. Ct70s, xr70r, xr200r, xr250r, honda spree 50, and some kawasaki trail bikes too.
It is nock off honda still ok
yes I don't have too much of an issue with them
That’s a cheap engine and don’t last
without any maintenance for sure
Chinese knock off Briggs
I hate these engines
I hear that a lot
I call it Chinese junk
good name
I commented about this The other time Yeah those Chinese engines suck they are crap they're built terrible
you got that right.