I'm reading psalm 91 1-16 and I came across the word buckler, I googled and video popped right up , it was a perfect explanation, thank you for sharing this with us !
The war with Mexico reviewed brought me here lol, in that book it describes how if young America, the Anglo saxons think they can conquer and invade any nation , and their destiny is warlike rather than peaceful, they will run into the thick bosses and bucklers of god who already beat the worlds finest conquerors , recommended short read based on Christian values and American history related to the Mexican war if you’re into that
+Roderik Vikström Indeed. You could well include similar small shields from antiquity as well in their lifespan, and similar small shields from other cultures. But even if you didn't and took their common usage (not including sport) as we know it from the early 13th century until the early 17th, that is still many hundreds of years of usage. They are a weapon that has almost been forgotten. You do not see them in films or popular culture and they are rarely given much credit in museums. Of course relatively few remain as they have just been discarded overtime due to little perceived value.
Academy of Historical Fencing Makes me think of maile and how it was used for a long long time. It would be nice to see films and series include these weapons. Hopefully hollywood will get better at this kind of thing. Thx for the info.
After we got our side swords and bucklers we of course tried sparring single sword vs sword and buckler. world of difference there. Sword and buckler against longsword is a bit different, and something I'd like to play with some more.
+Will nonya Indeed. The buckler gives a huge advantage, almost as much as a full size shield in a scenario where you face swords (different against pole arms and ranged weaponry). The buckler still works very well against longsword as well.
Can you also make videos regarding the larger heater shields? As popular and as iconic as the heater shield is, there are not many video on its proper use.
+EntranceDenied Not with any kind of legitimate and accurate research to back it up sadly. Everything we research, teach and practice in the club is from well documented source materials and treatise on the fighting arts which used such weapons. There are very few treatise remaining on the use of the shield. In part because so many fencing manuals relate to civilian combat, and the shield is a weapon of war. And in part because manuals that documented fighting styles are almost all written after the decline of the shield due to the increase in body armour. Really the only substantial sources we have for shields are renaissance period rotella, which is a medium size dome shaped, metal double strap shield. That is certainly a style we do practice in the club and will be using more of it soon.
+Duksing Chau Sadly that isn't as simple a question to answer as you might think. There are very few sources for shield work left, and they all date to the renaissance, which in itself was a revival of shields, and using double strap rather than punch grip shields. There is constant discussion and experimentation on this. I study shield combat according to Capo Ferro with rapiers, and really I would say you need to divide double strap from punch grip, and size is also a factor. I don't believe they are used in a radically different fashion no, but buckler just allows some greater range of motion in the way an offhand dagger is used, whereas the shield does no, but requires less movement for more coverage. And of course, the huge advantage of shields, the protection they offer against missile weapons and coverage in melee scenarios using spears and pikes.
They are long out of production but there are many similar examples out there. Look for a 12" buckler of 16 guage steel, or 18 guage f you want it lighter and are happy re-shapping it occasionally.
Sorry to say that they are no longer available, supplied by Phil Fraser. I have been looking for replacements for a whole but have not been whole happy with any yet. Most are far overweight, and grips are often poorly designed too.
+epic0wnag That was definitely done. Effectiveness aside, a dagger is the most abundant, easiest to carry weapon in the medieval world (practically and legally). Time-wise, wikipedia says 12th-17th century but I don't know if it was that same sort of thing throughout that whole period, haven't got a clue :)
+epic0wnag Daggers were used alongside pretty much every kind of one handed sword both during and outside of the buckler period, though they are not as well suited to fighting swords that emphasis a lot of cutting (as opposed to so much thrust). As for when they appeared, it really isn't an easy question to answer, because nobody has an exact definition of what makes a buckler, and if you go far enough back, we only have illustrations to rely on rather than surviving examples. After all, small shields were used by the Viking/Saxons, as referenced and drawn, but how small were they? Hard to say. But I think we can definitely say that at least by the 13th century they were popular.
Did protect vs bullets? To me it is strange to see the shift from buckler to dagger more or less at the same time as the rise of bullets. Because the buckler could offer quite good protection against bullets when extended forward?
Martin Andersson I can't give you any kind of scientific answer on what EXACT amount of force from a gun would penetrate a buckler of whatever material and thickness etc. But if you wanna rely on a fucking BUCKLER to block a bullet go right ahead... >.> lol
ChamorruWarrior Black powder weapons were weaker than later weapons. Round bullets had less penetrating capacity than modern cylindrical ones. During the 15th and 16th centuary breastplates were normally tested by shooting a shot at them after they were finished, you will see the mark of this "quality-test" bullet when you visit museums. A buckler also has more "give" than a breastplate maybe making up for its lighter material. A buckler would normally protect against pistol bullets rather than muskets since they are a civilian streetfight weapon. A stretched out buckler blocks all attacks against the torso (the normal target for a pistol) on many close ranges so it would offer substantial protection. It seems to me you did not put so much thought behind your first (or your second) comment. Thats ok, thats how most people comment on the internet. But it is not interesting to me. Since i DO put alot of thought behind what i am saying. I do not know if Bucklers were used this way. But I would be very interested in those that have read alot of old material to argue either for or against. I regard your comments more as "noise" and would ask you not to comment anymore since it decreases my chance of getting an informed opinion. I want commentsfrom those that know MORE than me.
Martin Andersson Oh, I thought about it and I did know that if all the factors came, (Thick enough buckler, weak enough round etc) and by the grace of God the bullet actually hit the buckler you COULD block it... To answer your question, historically and by common sense if someone is gonna shoot you, go ahead and put it up but lets not sit here and pretend it's a viable option that you're going to rely on regularly. I personally do not recall ever seeing or hearing about a buckler being specifically used or taught in this fashion but if it's what you have and someone shoots metal at your face, put it up.
Or when a shield isn't convenient, which is a huge element. When you use pole arms, bows, or are carrying weapons in civliian life, and shields are not practical.
Honestly, in rapier play, I find the buckler ridiculously hard to use. First and foremost is my inexperience and clumsiness (on a parry I tend to clash my buckler against my guard or wrist), but also the buckler simply isn't large enough where facing a dedicated thrusting weapon. There is too much of the body exposed and the buckler is a bit too sluggish to move over and block with. I'd imagine it would be slightly more useful if we employed cuts more often.
+VelmiVelkiZrut I think it is no coincidence that the buckler went into rapid decline when the rapier was quickly gaining in popularity. We have always found the dagger to be far superior against thrust based attacks than the buckler. Though as I did mention in the video, all the extra features such as hooks, spikes and raised rings could make a substantial difference. In terms of being too sluggish, I haven't found that. Perhaps you are using very heavy bucklers? Also, what sort of rapiers are you using? The type typically in use in the last few decades of common usage of the buckler were very long and quite substantial. If you are using short and light rapiers, like say the Hanwei practical 37 or training blades for their sharp models then that could be an issue. As for cuts, I believe most people practicing rapier use cuts far too little and get hung up on doing almost all thrust work. But all of the early rapier treatise (which is what most people study from) use extensive cutting. Still there is no doubt the dagger is better in a rapier fight, but I think there are a lot of factors that need to be considered as to how the buckler is still very effective.
+VelmiVelkiZrut Frankly all that guard around your grip is just a buckler replacement. You cannot Schiltschlac with it but otherwise thats it. You would use a buckler with a sword that has no complex hilt. So with a Arming sword of equal length a buckler would be usefull again. As an offensive and a defensive weapon
Rapiers werent' much battle weapons., but rather self defense oriented. To that use, bucklers are not that great. But against least specific weapons (broadwords etc), it's a great second hand tool. it's perfect for bodygards, or for everyday carry for soldiers in problematic areas.
+LuxsDeluxe As the level of armor increased, closer and closer to full plate harness, knights (which were mounted, aristocrat cavalry) preferred to take two-handed weapons, such as the pole axe (pollax, etc), halberd, lucerne hammer, and others. This was because the armor was more substantial, and could better defend them without wearing a shield. Some knights still did, to deter lances, and likely some outliers. Less armored infantry (which would've outnumbered Knights) used shields for quite a long time. They were used up until the point that we see the Pike-and-Shot formations when guns are really coming into their own.
+LuxsDeluxe Dominator046 answered you very well. But I will add a few extra points. It was not just knights that stopped using shields, but many infantry too. The change came when plate armour increased and largely replaced mail in almost every area. As armour became so much more substantial the need for a shield decreased, and at the same time the need for weapons that could defeat armour increased. This is when you see common heavy infantry using all kinds of polearms such as billhooks, halberd, glaives, etc. The shield however did make a comeback in the late 15th century and particularly early 16th, as armour once again decreased in large part due to gunpowder weaponry, and once again a range of classes from the common soldiers to knights and noblemen used shields, typically with partial armours, such as cuirass and helmet, sometimes with additional plate in some areas too.
@@Dominator046 it's important to mention that after the 13th century, many knights and men at arms did indeed fight on foot. Often, they would ride their horse to the best tactical position, and then dismounted and fought on foot. Evidence of this can be seen in weapons like the pole axe, which was designed for use by knights and men at arms, but still a dedicated infantry weapon unsuited for cavalry. In addition, some knights had barding on their horses, some didn't. The ones that did were usually the ones fighting on horseback more often, while a knight who fought on foot wouldn't see any need for it. Still, great comment on the decline of shields.
What is it specifically that makes it inconvenient to carry a larger shield around on your back? Is it the weight or the size or what? Was it just socially unacceptable?
+Robert R Weight and size would both be an issue. The thing you have to appreciate is that in normal everyday life, how much fighting are you expecting to do? You carry what is necessary to self defence and still easy to carry, and not encumber that existence. Shields were often held in vast quantities in town stores as to equip civilians (militia and trained bands) quickly. There is no doubt that bucklers, like many daggers, were also carried for fashion as much as practicality. The other times you might encounter shields in civilian life is bodyguards, who were frequently hired by those well off enough, particularly for travel in evenings where violence was common and many curfews put into effect.
+Robert R As someone that sometimes doesn't use a bicycle helmet because it's inconvenient, I can absolutely see people not wanting to carry a large shield everyday.
Academy of Historical Fencing gurkfisk89 I understand that but I'm trying to draw a distinction between being inconvenient and not worthwhile and then actually being unfeasible. I totally see why it's not worth it but (looking to convince roleplayers) would it be undoable for any reason? Like would you be unable to get through doorways or whatever?
+Robert R Depends how large the shield is! Many towns and cities had restrictions on what could be brought in, and shields may be restricted in some, but there isn't enough information documented to tell. In many cases we will never know if it would be accepted legally.
Both. Also consider than most people prefer to have some 'light' guns for everyday carry. Because...well, there are less chances than you forget it the day you really need it
Bucklers are very rare in games, movies and books. I think it is not just because they are supposed to be less usable but also because they look silly. Can you imagine a good hero fighting with a not cool one handed sword and a silly little buckler instead of a cool longsword?
+Strategiusz Yes I can, because far from silly, it would look cool as well. The use of sword and buckler on film or in game would give the chance to show some great agility and skill. I am so bored of the same old interpretations of the European swinging a longsword around as though it were Hercules club, the Chinese warriors flashing their swords around as though they were made of angel dust, and the Katana cutting through everything like a light sabre. Sword and buckler on film would look absolutely outstanding if it was done right. It could provide an exceptionally exciting and athletic fight. And who said the buckler was used with a 'not cool' one handed sword? There are loads of cool one handed swords. Audiences loved the shield combat of the Spartacus series, the two swords, the sabre of Richard Sharpe, the smallsword and broadsword of Rob Roy. I would say they are considered strange or not cool simply because they haven't been shown in that way. Just as the rapier has a crap reputation because that too is not really shown on film either.
From my personal perspective... I actually think I look cooler holding a sword and buckler compared to longsword. Though in the grand scheme of things, I'm far better at fighting with a longsword than sword and buckler and I think that's what matters more! But I wish we had more sword and bucklerists in media. Not only would it be a nice change of pace, but the way the buckler is used, as far as deflecting and redirecting attacks is concerned, means it can look like quite a flashy combo. I think Bolognese sword and buckler is a good example of that, not so much I.33.
No, he has a full size shield. The round double strap medium size shield he uses was really common in the 16th century, especially in Italy and Spain, but also elsewhere including Britain, it was normally called a rotella or rodela, and also a targe or target in English, a term which persisted for the Scottish shield into the 18th century. The thing that really seperates them is the size and grip type. A buckler being a small convenient hand shield that can be worn on the side as a backup weapon or for self defence, the larger rotella is really a primary weapon to take to war or be used by militia, bodyguards and soldiers.
I know it’s a buckler blah blah blah, but if 2 enemies attack at the same time, theoretically you won’t be able to block it, Or if anyone does the “Arrow rain” thing you would die immediately .
Remember that it's not typically a choice between buckler and shield. It's a choice between buckler and no buckler. Because of it's size, weight and convenience. As for multiple weapons, well you have a sword usually, that can parry the same as the buckler. There are also methods for fighting multiple opponents, usually moving to the flank to keep them in line as much as possible. Though if you look to Gatka you'll see some other interesting methods of fighting multiple opponents with sword and buckler. Comparing a buckler to a shield is like comparing a handgun to a battle rifle, both have their part to play, and are very good at what they were intended for.
@@kajahzanshh7355 I know this was three months ago but if your still interested yes, if a bunch of arrows got shot at you a buckler wouldn't help much. However think again how a buckler was normally used. In day to day life people probably won't be shooting arrows at you, but you might need your buckler to protect yourself from a thug with a club knife or sword. Not a rain of arrows. Bucklers weren't used much for front line soldiers, there a shield could protect you from arrows. Except in the case of soldiers who couldn't carry and use a shield, such as archers. They already have a ranged weapon to shoot others, and they also can't carry a bow and a shield but a buckler is small and light enough to carry attached to your belt. Then can quickly pull their buckler to defend if someone tries to attack them in hand to hand combat. Bucklers were fantastic tools for defense but just different from a shield. There is a reason bucklers were used all throughout Europe, the middle east, and India.
Yes, because sabre is a very broad category, and it is true to say some sabres were used commonl with bucklers and other offhand weapons, again, as we have over and over. Whilst it is also true to say that the military sabre of the 18th and 19th century very rarely was used with them. This is not an odd concept. We can talk about a weapon in broad terms across the world and cultures as well as in more specific periods and places. Just like we can say that the sabre in much of history had barely any hand protection, and yet in some it was normal to be very well developed. These two things do not contradict one another, they are the reality of the weapon in its time and place, just as with companion weapons.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing that's literally not what you argued earlier you told me it never happens outside of extremely rare examples. You're such a joke. The fact you won't come clean about this on my other comment on the other video, but instead lie about it and let others lie about it, "those are saber-like swords." Shows how deceitful you are. F you bro on some real serious sh t.
Once again, it's extremely rare in the case of the military sabre of the 18th and 19th century, which is exactly what I have been saying since this discussion began, because that is what we were talking about on a video which was about that topic. Everything I have said in this regard is 100% factual backed by massive evidence and research. You are creating strawman arguments to get angry about. There is no issue here. We have not deleted any comments so far, but this is your only warning, if you continue with rude language and insults then they will be deleted. This is a palce for research, discussion in a civil manner.
I came here because of Psalm 91:4. Thank you. This video was very insightful. I was trying to figure out what the Psalmist was trying to say😁
I'm reading psalm 91 1-16 and I came across the word buckler, I googled and video popped right up , it was a perfect explanation, thank you for sharing this with us !
Me too😅
But from proverbs 2: 3 -9
lol psalm 18:30 for me
Thank you for this video. The pure existence of the buckler makes a lot more sense to me now.
Psalms 18:30 brought me here. Glory be to God. God is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Me too, ps 18v2
The war with Mexico reviewed brought me here lol, in that book it describes how if young America, the Anglo saxons think they can conquer and invade any nation , and their destiny is warlike rather than peaceful, they will run into the thick bosses and bucklers of god who already beat the worlds finest conquerors , recommended short read based on Christian values and American history related to the Mexican war if you’re into that
Quoted this over the years but it is now time to what a buckler is,,, ❤
Psalm 91 brought me here🙏
Same here!
Yep lol!
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Nice vid. It was defintely around for a long while even if you do not include sporting purpuse. Filled the need well for sure.
+Roderik Vikström Indeed. You could well include similar small shields from antiquity as well in their lifespan, and similar small shields from other cultures. But even if you didn't and took their common usage (not including sport) as we know it from the early 13th century until the early 17th, that is still many hundreds of years of usage.
They are a weapon that has almost been forgotten. You do not see them in films or popular culture and they are rarely given much credit in museums. Of course relatively few remain as they have just been discarded overtime due to little perceived value.
Academy of Historical Fencing Makes me think of maile and how it was used for a long long time. It would be nice to see films and series include these weapons. Hopefully hollywood will get better at this kind of thing. Thx for the info.
im a ranger in my dnd game and i need a shield...im too squishy. this buckler is perfect....great for archers.
Yes, myself also....
Read psalm 91 today and realized I never knew what a buckler was. Thanks and glory be to Jesus Christ the soon coming King!
Amen!
That’s why I’m here too ❤
After we got our side swords and bucklers we of course tried sparring single sword vs sword and buckler. world of difference there. Sword and buckler against longsword is a bit different, and something I'd like to play with some more.
+Will nonya Indeed. The buckler gives a huge advantage, almost as much as a full size shield in a scenario where you face swords (different against pole arms and ranged weaponry). The buckler still works very well against longsword as well.
Who calls a Buckler a "Dinner Plate", i laughed my ass off so hard :.)
Hello, great video! Can you give me a price comparison? A buckler cost as much as a cow, something along those lines. Thank you for your time.
Thanks for sharing .
Can you also make videos regarding the larger heater shields?
As popular and as iconic as the heater shield is, there are not many video on its proper use.
+EntranceDenied Not with any kind of legitimate and accurate research to back it up sadly. Everything we research, teach and practice in the club is from well documented source materials and treatise on the fighting arts which used such weapons.
There are very few treatise remaining on the use of the shield. In part because so many fencing manuals relate to civilian combat, and the shield is a weapon of war. And in part because manuals that documented fighting styles are almost all written after the decline of the shield due to the increase in body armour. Really the only substantial sources we have for shields are renaissance period rotella, which is a medium size dome shaped, metal double strap shield.
That is certainly a style we do practice in the club and will be using more of it soon.
Awesome explanation. Thank you !
Bucklers are used in different ways than shields right? In what ways?
+Duksing Chau Sadly that isn't as simple a question to answer as you might think. There are very few sources for shield work left, and they all date to the renaissance, which in itself was a revival of shields, and using double strap rather than punch grip shields. There is constant discussion and experimentation on this. I study shield combat according to Capo Ferro with rapiers, and really I would say you need to divide double strap from punch grip, and size is also a factor.
I don't believe they are used in a radically different fashion no, but buckler just allows some greater range of motion in the way an offhand dagger is used, whereas the shield does no, but requires less movement for more coverage. And of course, the huge advantage of shields, the protection they offer against missile weapons and coverage in melee scenarios using spears and pikes.
Good info, very helpful - Cheers! 👍
Thank you! Gives the biblical definition. Although it probably wasn’t the intention of video.
What about the fist buckler by Kingston Arms? Did anyone use that type of buckler?
Thats the Hanwei model, sold under a few brand names, don''t bother, it's way too small.
Where do you get a buckler like the example used in this video?
They are long out of production but there are many similar examples out there. Look for a 12" buckler of 16 guage steel, or 18 guage f you want it lighter and are happy re-shapping it occasionally.
What make of buckler is that? I have 3 buckler and I'm trying to find a lightweight medium size one, any suggestions would be appreciated
Sorry to say that they are no longer available, supplied by Phil Fraser. I have been looking for replacements for a whole but have not been whole happy with any yet. Most are far overweight, and grips are often poorly designed too.
Make your own
when do we see the first bucklers appear? before there were bucklers, did people use an arming sword with a dagger?
+epic0wnag That was definitely done. Effectiveness aside, a dagger is the most abundant, easiest to carry weapon in the medieval world (practically and legally). Time-wise, wikipedia says 12th-17th century but I don't know if it was that same sort of thing throughout that whole period, haven't got a clue :)
+epic0wnag Daggers were used alongside pretty much every kind of one handed sword both during and outside of the buckler period, though they are not as well suited to fighting swords that emphasis a lot of cutting (as opposed to so much thrust). As for when they appeared, it really isn't an easy question to answer, because nobody has an exact definition of what makes a buckler, and if you go far enough back, we only have illustrations to rely on rather than surviving examples. After all, small shields were used by the Viking/Saxons, as referenced and drawn, but how small were they?
Hard to say. But I think we can definitely say that at least by the 13th century they were popular.
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Did protect vs bullets? To me it is strange to see the shift from buckler to dagger more or less at the same time as the rise of bullets. Because the buckler could offer quite good protection against bullets when extended forward?
A bullet would go right through a buckler, bro lol
ChamorruWarrior At what range? Shot from an early pistol? Or from an early musket?
Martin Andersson I can't give you any kind of scientific answer on what EXACT amount of force from a gun would penetrate a buckler of whatever material and thickness etc. But if you wanna rely on a fucking BUCKLER to block a bullet go right ahead... >.> lol
ChamorruWarrior
Black powder weapons were weaker than later weapons.
Round bullets had less penetrating capacity than modern cylindrical ones.
During the 15th and 16th centuary breastplates were normally tested by shooting a shot at them after they were finished, you will see the mark of this "quality-test" bullet when you visit museums.
A buckler also has more "give" than a breastplate maybe making up for its lighter material.
A buckler would normally protect against pistol bullets rather than muskets since they are a civilian streetfight weapon.
A stretched out buckler blocks all attacks against the torso (the normal target for a pistol) on many close ranges so it would offer substantial protection.
It seems to me you did not put so much thought behind your first (or your second) comment. Thats ok, thats how most people comment on the internet. But it is not interesting to me. Since i DO put alot of thought behind what i am saying. I do not know if Bucklers were used this way. But I would be very interested in those that have read alot of old material to argue either for or against. I regard your comments more as "noise" and would ask you not to comment anymore since it decreases my chance of getting an informed opinion. I want commentsfrom those that know MORE than me.
Martin Andersson Oh, I thought about it and I did know that if all the factors came, (Thick enough buckler, weak enough round etc) and by the grace of God the bullet actually hit the buckler you COULD block it...
To answer your question, historically and by common sense if someone is gonna shoot you, go ahead and put it up but lets not sit here and pretend it's a viable option that you're going to rely on regularly. I personally do not recall ever seeing or hearing about a buckler being specifically used or taught in this fashion but if it's what you have and someone shoots metal at your face, put it up.
Proverbs 2:7 brought me here. 😁
Bucklers are mainly used when your'e not likely going to need a shield but you might.
Or when a shield isn't convenient, which is a huge element. When you use pole arms, bows, or are carrying weapons in civliian life, and shields are not practical.
Thanks
Honestly, in rapier play, I find the buckler ridiculously hard to use. First and foremost is my inexperience and clumsiness (on a parry I tend to clash my buckler against my guard or wrist), but also the buckler simply isn't large enough where facing a dedicated thrusting weapon. There is too much of the body exposed and the buckler is a bit too sluggish to move over and block with. I'd imagine it would be slightly more useful if we employed cuts more often.
+VelmiVelkiZrut I think it is no coincidence that the buckler went into rapid decline when the rapier was quickly gaining in popularity. We have always found the dagger to be far superior against thrust based attacks than the buckler. Though as I did mention in the video, all the extra features such as hooks, spikes and raised rings could make a substantial difference.
In terms of being too sluggish, I haven't found that. Perhaps you are using very heavy bucklers? Also, what sort of rapiers are you using? The type typically in use in the last few decades of common usage of the buckler were very long and quite substantial. If you are using short and light rapiers, like say the Hanwei practical 37 or training blades for their sharp models then that could be an issue.
As for cuts, I believe most people practicing rapier use cuts far too little and get hung up on doing almost all thrust work. But all of the early rapier treatise (which is what most people study from) use extensive cutting.
Still there is no doubt the dagger is better in a rapier fight, but I think there are a lot of factors that need to be considered as to how the buckler is still very effective.
+VelmiVelkiZrut Frankly all that guard around your grip is just a buckler replacement. You cannot Schiltschlac with it but otherwise thats it. You would use a buckler with a sword that has no complex hilt. So with a Arming sword of equal length a buckler would be usefull again. As an offensive and a defensive weapon
Rapiers werent' much battle weapons., but rather self defense oriented. To that use, bucklers are not that great. But against least specific weapons (broadwords etc), it's a great second hand tool. it's perfect for bodygards, or for everyday carry for soldiers in problematic areas.
Is it true that knights in full plate armor did not use shields?
+LuxsDeluxe As the level of armor increased, closer and closer to full plate harness, knights (which were mounted, aristocrat cavalry) preferred to take two-handed weapons, such as the pole axe (pollax, etc), halberd, lucerne hammer, and others. This was because the armor was more substantial, and could better defend them without wearing a shield.
Some knights still did, to deter lances, and likely some outliers. Less armored infantry (which would've outnumbered Knights) used shields for quite a long time. They were used up until the point that we see the Pike-and-Shot formations when guns are really coming into their own.
+LuxsDeluxe yes
+LuxsDeluxe Dominator046 answered you very well. But I will add a few extra points. It was not just knights that stopped using shields, but many infantry too. The change came when plate armour increased and largely replaced mail in almost every area. As armour became so much more substantial the need for a shield decreased, and at the same time the need for weapons that could defeat armour increased. This is when you see common heavy infantry using all kinds of polearms such as billhooks, halberd, glaives, etc.
The shield however did make a comeback in the late 15th century and particularly early 16th, as armour once again decreased in large part due to gunpowder weaponry, and once again a range of classes from the common soldiers to knights and noblemen used shields, typically with partial armours, such as cuirass and helmet, sometimes with additional plate in some areas too.
@@Dominator046 it's important to mention that after the 13th century, many knights and men at arms did indeed fight on foot. Often, they would ride their horse to the best tactical position, and then dismounted and fought on foot. Evidence of this can be seen in weapons like the pole axe, which was designed for use by knights and men at arms, but still a dedicated infantry weapon unsuited for cavalry. In addition, some knights had barding on their horses, some didn't. The ones that did were usually the ones fighting on horseback more often, while a knight who fought on foot wouldn't see any need for it.
Still, great comment on the decline of shields.
What is it specifically that makes it inconvenient to carry a larger shield around on your back? Is it the weight or the size or what? Was it just socially unacceptable?
+Robert R Weight and size would both be an issue. The thing you have to appreciate is that in normal everyday life, how much fighting are you expecting to do? You carry what is necessary to self defence and still easy to carry, and not encumber that existence. Shields were often held in vast quantities in town stores as to equip civilians (militia and trained bands) quickly. There is no doubt that bucklers, like many daggers, were also carried for fashion as much as practicality. The other times you might encounter shields in civilian life is bodyguards, who were frequently hired by those well off enough, particularly for travel in evenings where violence was common and many curfews put into effect.
+Robert R As someone that sometimes doesn't use a bicycle helmet because it's inconvenient, I can absolutely see people not wanting to carry a large shield everyday.
Academy of Historical Fencing gurkfisk89 I understand that but I'm trying to draw a distinction between being inconvenient and not worthwhile and then actually being unfeasible. I totally see why it's not worth it but (looking to convince roleplayers) would it be undoable for any reason? Like would you be unable to get through doorways or whatever?
+Robert R Depends how large the shield is! Many towns and cities had restrictions on what could be brought in, and shields may be restricted in some, but there isn't enough information documented to tell. In many cases we will never know if it would be accepted legally.
Both. Also consider than most people prefer to have some 'light' guns for everyday carry. Because...well, there are less chances than you forget it the day you really need it
Froggy went scouting he did ride, sword and buckler by his side......
I think the bible brought most of us here GLORY LOL
Yep. Psalm 91
Bucklers are very rare in games, movies and books. I think it is not just because they are supposed to be less usable but also because they look silly. Can you imagine a good hero fighting with a not cool one handed sword and a silly little buckler instead of a cool longsword?
+Strategiusz Yes I can, because far from silly, it would look cool as well. The use of sword and buckler on film or in game would give the chance to show some great agility and skill. I am so bored of the same old interpretations of the European swinging a longsword around as though it were Hercules club, the Chinese warriors flashing their swords around as though they were made of angel dust, and the Katana cutting through everything like a light sabre.
Sword and buckler on film would look absolutely outstanding if it was done right. It could provide an exceptionally exciting and athletic fight. And who said the buckler was used with a 'not cool' one handed sword? There are loads of cool one handed swords. Audiences loved the shield combat of the Spartacus series, the two swords, the sabre of Richard Sharpe, the smallsword and broadsword of Rob Roy.
I would say they are considered strange or not cool simply because they haven't been shown in that way. Just as the rapier has a crap reputation because that too is not really shown on film either.
+Strategiusz Sword and buckler fights are easily the most aestetically pleasing to watch.
From my personal perspective... I actually think I look cooler holding a sword and buckler compared to longsword.
Though in the grand scheme of things, I'm far better at fighting with a longsword than sword and buckler and I think that's what matters more! But I wish we had more sword and bucklerists in media. Not only would it be a nice change of pace, but the way the buckler is used, as far as deflecting and redirecting attacks is concerned, means it can look like quite a flashy combo. I think Bolognese sword and buckler is a good example of that, not so much I.33.
Strategiusz for honor
Is this what Captain America uses in the movie. Just on a smaller scale?
No, he has a full size shield. The round double strap medium size shield he uses was really common in the 16th century, especially in Italy and Spain, but also elsewhere including Britain, it was normally called a rotella or rodela, and also a targe or target in English, a term which persisted for the Scottish shield into the 18th century. The thing that really seperates them is the size and grip type. A buckler being a small convenient hand shield that can be worn on the side as a backup weapon or for self defence, the larger rotella is really a primary weapon to take to war or be used by militia, bodyguards and soldiers.
Mentioned in the Bible...Asa 💙
To my surprise it is small in diameter to be a defense weapon😮,,
people are so bad against bucklers, they are the best.
Easier to maneuver with than a full Shield.
Same 😂
12 inch...just my size
I thought it to be big like a shield ,, hmmm. Size is not the importance God will protect us within any size ..,, of danger ..?
Psalm 91:4 brought me here
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I know it’s a buckler blah blah blah, but if 2 enemies attack at the same time, theoretically you won’t be able to block it, Or if anyone does the “Arrow rain” thing you would die immediately .
Remember that it's not typically a choice between buckler and shield. It's a choice between buckler and no buckler. Because of it's size, weight and convenience. As for multiple weapons, well you have a sword usually, that can parry the same as the buckler. There are also methods for fighting multiple opponents, usually moving to the flank to keep them in line as much as possible. Though if you look to Gatka you'll see some other interesting methods of fighting multiple opponents with sword and buckler.
Comparing a buckler to a shield is like comparing a handgun to a battle rifle, both have their part to play, and are very good at what they were intended for.
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Thanks for the reply, I now get what a buckler is.
But if there’s like an arrow rain, you would be dead though, right?
@@kajahzanshh7355 I know this was three months ago but if your still interested yes, if a bunch of arrows got shot at you a buckler wouldn't help much. However think again how a buckler was normally used. In day to day life people probably won't be shooting arrows at you, but you might need your buckler to protect yourself from a thug with a club knife or sword. Not a rain of arrows.
Bucklers weren't used much for front line soldiers, there a shield could protect you from arrows. Except in the case of soldiers who couldn't carry and use a shield, such as archers. They already have a ranged weapon to shoot others, and they also can't carry a bow and a shield but a buckler is small and light enough to carry attached to your belt. Then can quickly pull their buckler to defend if someone tries to attack them in hand to hand combat.
Bucklers were fantastic tools for defense but just different from a shield. There is a reason bucklers were used all throughout Europe, the middle east, and India.
Sabers as well ( @4:57 ), you don't say. Seems you've contradicted yourself in several videos now. You guys really are very dishonest.
Yes, because sabre is a very broad category, and it is true to say some sabres were used commonl with bucklers and other offhand weapons, again, as we have over and over. Whilst it is also true to say that the military sabre of the 18th and 19th century very rarely was used with them. This is not an odd concept. We can talk about a weapon in broad terms across the world and cultures as well as in more specific periods and places. Just like we can say that the sabre in much of history had barely any hand protection, and yet in some it was normal to be very well developed. These two things do not contradict one another, they are the reality of the weapon in its time and place, just as with companion weapons.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing that's literally not what you argued earlier you told me it never happens outside of extremely rare examples. You're such a joke. The fact you won't come clean about this on my other comment on the other video, but instead lie about it and let others lie about it, "those are saber-like swords." Shows how deceitful you are. F you bro on some real serious sh t.
Once again, it's extremely rare in the case of the military sabre of the 18th and 19th century, which is exactly what I have been saying since this discussion began, because that is what we were talking about on a video which was about that topic. Everything I have said in this regard is 100% factual backed by massive evidence and research. You are creating strawman arguments to get angry about. There is no issue here.
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