Each card can mean something different every time it’s used in a different reading. I think it’s very limiting to assign a specific meaning to each individual card. Tarot de Marseille is ideal for this fluid style of reading.
Agreed. I started with RWS and still like my smith Waite decks, especially the English Magic and Good Fortune Tarots, but the more I learn about TdM, oddly enough, the easier it seems to be to read
Hello! I read in a similar way. I tend to combine Table and Image (as Yoav Ben-Dov) puts it. I think the open reading is one of the most fun ways to read the Marseille. Thank you for a peek at your practice. x
We've been reading and teaching how to read the TdM with the Open Reading for years now. And we totally agree with you, Magdalena. All of this video is just the pure truth!
Hi, Magdalena. Great video. I realized as I watched, that maybe, I am still adding elements from RWS learning to these cards. For instance, I saw the batons or wands and began thinking about the element of fire and ,thus, fire, creativity, desire or passion. But you kept it more simple as ‘x’s and blockage or confrontation. I am really converted to this way now. I feel freer and no longer feel I have to go back into astrology etc to read the cards.
Yes, it's freeing, isn't it! When I was starting with tarot, I read a lot of books that included elements, astrology and other systems, but I feel that while they might be helpful, they tend to distract us from the tarot itself :)
I agree with you. This is pretty much how I read. I’ll add that I’m also pretty flexible with whether I use numerology or not. For example, if I had 6, 7 and 8 of swords, or 7, 8 and 9 of swords, then really I don’t bother with the difference here - there’s loads of them either way and that would be the point from the cards. But if I had three 4s, I’d be thinking of 4s as stability and working it out from there.
@@wolfofcoins I think it is. I think it’s also about seeing a message that looks so logical that it’s hard to refute by both me and the client. I’m influenced strongly by Camelia Elias in aiming to find such clarity.
I do use number meanings, more on the line of Camelia Elias and Dawn Jackson, as in I go from the suit, to the rhymes to follow with my eyes, and number meanings for specificity. I find no meaning to require very, very specific questions to work for me, I guess. However, I'm much more loose with the trumps.
Rowan here - great class, thanks, I have been thinking about this since we were talking about it! Love the Budapest deck too, this is inspiring me to get hold of it...
Hey Magdalena: I just watched your earlier video telling us why Tarot de Marseille is so cool! Just love it. You used your Jodorowsy tarot in that video and I have a chance to buy the original Jodorowsky tarot and wonder if you are still using it and love it. You used that deck in that earlier video but I have seen you use it lately. Hope you are well and staying warm this winter. Lots of love, Anne
Hey Magda :) Thank you so much for a great video :) very informative ❤ love the attitude towards readings - instead of being stressed about reading and meaning just notice what’s presented and then if needed deep diving into cards meaning
With the TdM I developed a system separate from RWS: Number plus element for the pips. Occasionally use the designs on the cards. Aces: Beginnings Two: Choices, Decisions Three: Creativity Four: Stability, Growth Five: Challenges Six: Harmony, Balance, Perseverance Seven: Assessing the way forwards Eight: Changes Nine: Achievement Ten: Completion I also use Ben- Dov's Open Reading style with the Major Arcana. Similar to Camilia Elia's Read like the Devil approach. There are so many different ways to read the TdM - I use them all in a blender!
Last night this happened to me exactly. I asked my question and drew some cards but the only one that spoke to me was the central card, which was a 4 of wands. I was using the CDB Marseille. I didn't feel the classic meaning at all, I simply felt a cross telling me a big NO! that was my answer and now it makes more sense because I felt it was strange to ignore all the other cards. I mean they added something to the meaning but in the end that was the only answer I got. Love your insights, thanks.
Oh wow, thanks for sharing! After all, the cards are only a tool to work with our intuition. If your gut really tells you something, it means it's right :)
@@wolfofcoins Exactly, each day I learn to the messages inside my heart and 3rd eye more than just the cards, which are my favorite tool but not the most important. 🧿🧿🧿
Agreed you don’t read each card separately. Even if it’s not marseille it’s just good form. The way I like to describe it is each card is like a character in a pictorial language. Yes each character has a meaning in isolation, but when in a context they’re augmenting one another to produce a more complex meaning. If you don’t allow the card meanings to interact, the result will inevitably be somewhat shallow.
@@wolfofcoins I’ve seen people do amazing one card readings, it’s honestly impressive but the only real advantage is if you’re short on time. Agreed, I usually go 2 or 3 cards. Sometimes alot more if I want like alot of detail, but I need the time and energy for that.
I love this! And I don't think it's controversial at all. Sometimes too much detail (assigning a lengthy description to each card) muddles the message. I find that I read more and more in an open style, looking for rhymes, shapes, qualities, and quantities as you demonstrate here. Sometimes the cards seem to look like one of those "say what you see" puzzles, and other times they just sing one big note like a chorus. It all depends on the question and the context in the moment.
You refer to using numerology plus the suit, that’s a sort of formulaic reading method. And the secret is RWS is doing that too. The RWS meanings come from Golden Dawns own formulaic system, that are suit + numerology, plus decanate astrology. So 3 of swords is 3 (in qabbalist numerology in their case) + swords/air, but also Saturn in Libra, and a lot of people don’t know that last part. And when you learn it you really do see where the meanings come from and start seeing more depth Like that same 3 of swords we usually associated with tears, sorrow, a sometimes surgery, can also be singing. Literally skillful restraint of air. And that association is actually written in Golden Dawn manuscripts. I think that it’s too often that beginners material neglects to indicate that there’s a reason the cards mean what they do. And novice readers are given the false impression that it’s either dogmatic or arbitrary.
Yes, that's true that the source for the traditional RWS meanings is not mentioned in most beginner materials. The question is, do I need those fixed meanings to read tarot at all? :) I'm in the "no, I don't need them" team, but it's interesting to me as part of tarot history.
@@wolfofcoins I do think fixed meanings are restrictive, but I think eventually someone should learn the formulae behind why they mean those things, and then what was once restrictive becomes something of a fancier version of “number + suit” that can actually have a lot of depth I should try to say things more briefly than what I did, I think I’ve gotten my point across better with this one.
Each card can mean something different every time it’s used in a different reading. I think it’s very limiting to assign a specific meaning to each individual card. Tarot de Marseille is ideal for this fluid style of reading.
That is true! With the Marseille there is this rythm that we can follow ❤️
Agreed. I started with RWS and still like my smith Waite decks, especially the English Magic and Good Fortune Tarots, but the more I learn about TdM, oddly enough, the easier it seems to be to read
Hello! I read in a similar way. I tend to combine Table and Image (as Yoav Ben-Dov) puts it. I think the open reading is one of the most fun ways to read the Marseille. Thank you for a peek at your practice.
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Thank you, Kelly! It certainly is fun! And magical ^___^
We've been reading and teaching how to read the TdM with the Open Reading for years now. And we totally agree with you, Magdalena.
All of this video is just the pure truth!
Thank you so much!
Hi, Magdalena. Great video. I realized as I watched, that maybe, I am still adding elements from RWS learning to these cards. For instance, I saw the batons or wands and began thinking about the element of fire and ,thus, fire, creativity, desire or passion. But you kept it more simple as ‘x’s and blockage or confrontation. I am really converted to this way now. I feel freer and no longer feel I have to go back into astrology etc to read the cards.
Yes, it's freeing, isn't it! When I was starting with tarot, I read a lot of books that included elements, astrology and other systems, but I feel that while they might be helpful, they tend to distract us from the tarot itself :)
I agree with you. This is pretty much how I read. I’ll add that I’m also pretty flexible with whether I use numerology or not. For example, if I had 6, 7 and 8 of swords, or 7, 8 and 9 of swords, then really I don’t bother with the difference here - there’s loads of them either way and that would be the point from the cards. But if I had three 4s, I’d be thinking of 4s as stability and working it out from there.
Yes! It's all about seeing a coherent message from the cards, isn't it!
@@wolfofcoins I think it is. I think it’s also about seeing a message that looks so logical that it’s hard to refute by both me and the client. I’m influenced strongly by Camelia Elias in aiming to find such clarity.
I do use number meanings, more on the line of Camelia Elias and Dawn Jackson, as in I go from the suit, to the rhymes to follow with my eyes, and number meanings for specificity. I find no meaning to require very, very specific questions to work for me, I guess. However, I'm much more loose with the trumps.
Yes, I find that rhymes are very telling! Also the increase or decrease of numbers.
can you do more reading samples, its really helpful
Rowan here - great class, thanks, I have been thinking about this since we were talking about it! Love the Budapest deck too, this is inspiring me to get hold of it...
Hi Rowan!
Haha, yeah, Sullivan's decks are gorgeous!
I love the TSR version of the Dodal !
Hey Magdalena: I just watched your earlier video telling us why Tarot de Marseille is so cool! Just love it. You used your Jodorowsy tarot in that video and I have a chance to buy the original Jodorowsky tarot and wonder if you are still using it and love it. You used that deck in that earlier video but I have seen you use it lately. Hope you are well and staying warm this winter. Lots of love, Anne
I'm completely sold to that way of reading with the Marseille. Like you, I also took some courses with Enrique Enriquez and it was very enlightening
Ooh, nice! EE is amazing, isn't he? ^__^
Hey Magda :) Thank you so much for a great video :) very informative ❤ love the attitude towards readings - instead of being stressed about reading and meaning just notice what’s presented and then if needed deep diving into cards meaning
Yes, I think that the first impression is the most important one :)
yes the ones proposed by stuart kaplan or the golden dawn founder, those are the meanings of tarot cards
With the TdM I developed a system separate from RWS: Number plus element for the pips. Occasionally use the designs on the cards.
Aces: Beginnings
Two: Choices, Decisions
Three: Creativity
Four: Stability, Growth
Five: Challenges
Six: Harmony, Balance, Perseverance
Seven: Assessing the way forwards
Eight: Changes
Nine: Achievement
Ten: Completion
I also use Ben- Dov's Open Reading style with the Major Arcana. Similar to Camilia Elia's Read like the Devil approach.
There are so many different ways to read the TdM - I use them all in a blender!
Lovely, thank you so much for sharing your system!
I also like Ben-Dov and Elias style of reading! :)
I use the same numerical method except for me 8s are consolidation (double stability of 4). I never know what 7s are!
Usually confidence, like 7 is the Chariot, but 7 is pretty fluid for me, like a shapeshifter!
I feel like I'm late to comment.
Very good video, treating the minor arcana this way is sort of the way a child would do it, I really like it!
Thank you! I do think we can learn a lot from children :)
Last night this happened to me exactly. I asked my question and drew some cards but the only one that spoke to me was the central card, which was a 4 of wands. I was using the CDB Marseille. I didn't feel the classic meaning at all, I simply felt a cross telling me a big NO! that was my answer and now it makes more sense because I felt it was strange to ignore all the other cards. I mean they added something to the meaning but in the end that was the only answer I got. Love your insights, thanks.
Oh wow, thanks for sharing!
After all, the cards are only a tool to work with our intuition. If your gut really tells you something, it means it's right :)
@@wolfofcoins Exactly, each day I learn to the messages inside my heart and 3rd eye more than just the cards, which are my favorite tool but not the most important. 🧿🧿🧿
Agreed you don’t read each card separately. Even if it’s not marseille it’s just good form. The way I like to describe it is each card is like a character in a pictorial language. Yes each character has a meaning in isolation, but when in a context they’re augmenting one another to produce a more complex meaning. If you don’t allow the card meanings to interact, the result will inevitably be somewhat shallow.
Exactly, that's why I always read Marseille in sets of cards, I never do one card readings. They mingle with each other so beautifully.
@@wolfofcoins I’ve seen people do amazing one card readings, it’s honestly impressive but the only real advantage is if you’re short on time. Agreed, I usually go 2 or 3 cards. Sometimes alot more if I want like alot of detail, but I need the time and energy for that.
I love this! And I don't think it's controversial at all. Sometimes too much detail (assigning a lengthy description to each card) muddles the message. I find that I read more and more in an open style, looking for rhymes, shapes, qualities, and quantities as you demonstrate here. Sometimes the cards seem to look like one of those "say what you see" puzzles, and other times they just sing one big note like a chorus. It all depends on the question and the context in the moment.
Yes, absolutely! I find that treating the reading as a whole rather than many separate tiny readings improves the coherence of the reading! :)
You refer to using numerology plus the suit, that’s a sort of formulaic reading method. And the secret is RWS is doing that too. The RWS meanings come from Golden Dawns own formulaic system, that are suit + numerology, plus decanate astrology. So 3 of swords is 3 (in qabbalist numerology in their case) + swords/air, but also Saturn in Libra, and a lot of people don’t know that last part. And when you learn it you really do see where the meanings come from and start seeing more depth
Like that same 3 of swords we usually associated with tears, sorrow, a sometimes surgery, can also be singing. Literally skillful restraint of air. And that association is actually written in Golden Dawn manuscripts.
I think that it’s too often that beginners material neglects to indicate that there’s a reason the cards mean what they do. And novice readers are given the false impression that it’s either dogmatic or arbitrary.
Yes, that's true that the source for the traditional RWS meanings is not mentioned in most beginner materials. The question is, do I need those fixed meanings to read tarot at all? :) I'm in the "no, I don't need them" team, but it's interesting to me as part of tarot history.
@@wolfofcoins I do think fixed meanings are restrictive, but I think eventually someone should learn the formulae behind why they mean those things, and then what was once restrictive becomes something of a fancier version of “number + suit” that can actually have a lot of depth
I should try to say things more briefly than what I did, I think I’ve gotten my point across better with this one.
Say what you see 😉
where did you find the tarology documentary? 🎥 🎴
At the time it was available on YT, I suppose. Now I do not know where to watch it.