Hey. Thx for the question. I’ve only played through one twice. Both times on a multi band night. It was pretty glorious but I will say it was two of the very few times I’ve played through a 412. And that’s gonna change your perception of anything! I’ve gotta say it’s the second part of your question that actually matters. If it sounds good to you and I’d therefore gonna help you make make music. Then no, it absolutely does NOT matter!
Man, cool videos. ❤. I am wondering Rob do these feel like a real amp? They all seem to me to get pretty close to the real thing in tone or close enough with the ability to adjust the sound so that the audiance would never notice if I am using a real amp..❤ Thanks man. Regards from South Central Indiana ..USA.. Tim❤
I think the real amp feel thing is a very hard thing to define. I get what you are talking about but it means a lot of different things to different people. I played a festival recently with the board I shared in the comment you left in the IR200 video. For that gig I sent the IR200 to FOH and played through an actual amp onstage. We don’t use inears so the options are a monitor or a powered cab. If you’re lugging a powered cap just bring an amp as far as I’m concerned. That way you do actually have amp feel. Just make sure the modeller is modelling a similar sound as the amp. In terms of sound, I think a modeled sound is actually better in a live scenario where you don’t know the engineer. And the crowd CANNOT tell the difference…. Nor do they care!
@@TheGuitarEffect I concur sir. I've had some bad backline amps in my time. When I first started playing way back in the mid 70s and early 80s I used a fender twin and a rat pedal for distortion for a long time and it worked okay. That and a wah. That was it. Then I finally got a 120 watt Peavy 2x 12 called a ranger which was kinda PVs twin amp. Again I used it and a fuzz or something for distortion. That combo amp weighed 90 lbs, but I was young and strong. Not so much now days. 😜. I still like to play though and mostly blues hard rock and 80s metal. Some original boogie blues, etc. So, I'm trying to put together a board of pedals that has an amp simulator not an amp in a box and as you stated there is a difference. Something I can use headphones to practice and to record with at home if I want to do so. I'm thinking I'll just use a monitor at the gig or I'm ears maybe. Like you said, once you have so much equipment, you might as well take an amp. I'm also looking at the Lion UAFX 68 which EVERYONE says sounds and feels like a real amp with that touch sensitive feel as if the power amp is compressing and it's starved of voltage, etc, on the brown sound which is where I would love mostly and use my volume knob to clean up. Maybe use a boost, otherwise just my Morley wah, maybe a Keeley compressor for cleans , eventide Micropitch, reverb, and probably a TC electronics 2300 or whatever that delay affordable pedal is that has ducking delay. Anyway, thanks man and I watched several of your vids and didn't comment on them just liked them. I didn't want to wear you out since I like to talk. 😜🤘♥️🤘
You know what man check out the Friedman preamps and the two notes revolt. They’re analog amp modeller a with tubes. I reckon analog is a good way to go to retain feel. It’s just theoretical though.
Hey. Thx for the comment. Yes it is. But I personally don’t think it’s a great clean sound. You need the gain to be at 50% or above in the clean channel. That’s not distorted really but not fully clean.
@@TheGuitarEffect Understood, my idea is to use the green channel as clean sound and the red channel as drive. The post-fader booster to only increase the volume, can you tell me if it is a clean booster? And do you think this pedal is worth buying? The only thing that intrigues me is that I would really like a completely clean channel so I can work with pedals.
Hey. So this is completely a trade off. From a Marshall tone perspective anyway. If you want to use pedals for drive I would go for a JTM45 Pedal. It’s just a better clean sound. IMHO. If you need the two channels I’d go for this. The boost is very clean yes. Here’s the other thing. What pedals do you want to use that you’d want it completely clean? If it’s a Rat or a DS1 or something like that then I do t think you’d need a dirty channel. If it’s a tube screamer or colon for pushed clean sounds then I think a fender pedal would be a better platform. Just my thoughts on that.
@@TheGuitarEffect My idea is to use a Tube Screamer as a transparent drive on the green channel and with the ts9 turned off to have a clean sound. On the red channel I want to use it as my distortion and if I need more gain I activate the Tube Screamer. The pedal booster pedal, I want to use it to increase the volume.
Do you think it's better to buy a Marshall Bluesbreaker/Guvnor etc and use a separate power amp ? I like that too. There's so much choice now I get a bit confused. Thanks for the video. I love the 2203/4 and Placator on Helix and am looking for a single pedal to encompass that Coxon/Greenwood territory sound (I know they used varying amps). 800's varied a lot , the cleans were full on the one I had ages ago. Cheers, you sound great as usual.
Hey. Thx for the comment. So, as far as I’m concerned if you want to use a pedal and power amp then a blues breaker or Guvnor would absolutely NOT be the way to go. They are for use in the front end of a guitar amp. If you want to use a power amp I’d suggest specifically this. This doesn’t sound good into the front end of an amp. I could be wrong about this but I think Coxon uses a plexi right? And while Jonny Greenwood does use a Marshall Shredmaster pedal into a solid state fender 112 combo. So it’s a very different sound to a Marshall amp
Thanks.Yes, I understand you saying that about Coxon and Greenwood but just using the 2203, 4 or Placator in the Helix I find you can cover them despite the gear differences. I may have to go for Strymon as I keep hearing stellar things about that. Thank you for taking the time to answer.There's still Catalinbread's Dirty Little Secret too ! I have other Catalinbreads I love so I may just go for that.👍
I made it 5:00 into it, and that's all I can do... Aren't you supposed to be DEMOING this pedal so guitarists that watch your channel can tell what the pedal actually does? WHY would run an impossibly elaborate stereo mix, complete with post production impulse responses that literally NO ONE ELSE will EVER use to "SHOW WHAT THE PEDAL DOES"?!? It's almost like you're FAR more concerned with sounding "good" than giving folks an accurate representation of what the PRODUCT you're "DEMOING" actually does... If you HONESTLY want to HELP guitarists, do an HONEST demo and plug the pedal into a CRYSTAL clean amp... WHY are ALL these "reviewers" tryin to show off "Sick Toanz, Bro" instead of just showing what the damned pedal ACTUALLY does?!? Sheeeesh! *Update- Oh yeah, let's add EXTRA pedals BEFORE and AFTER the pedal too, ya know, to "show what the pedal does"...
Wow. Thx for that. Literally in the first 2 minutes I said I don’t think you should run this into an amp. In my opinion it’s not designed for that 🙄the entitlement of some commenters on here is breathtaking. It’d wear you out.
@@TheGuitarEffectright!? You literally showed the product in a practical application sense. This is the way it’s supposed to be used for recording or direct for the most part.
Sorry mate! No idea who Sirius is! Apologies. But these things rarely do sound like the real thing but in a way I don’t think they’re supposed to. They’re more to give the feel or idea in a specific setting. I think this does that well
Great review and great playing as always!
Thx for the kind words. Appreciated
I recommend an update because tc optimized the IR of the 800, 45, etc. .cool video by the way ;)
Oh cool. I’ll check that out thx.
@@TheGuitarEffect think it sounds even better after the update 😉
I've never played through an 800. Is this actually close? Or does it even matter, because it sounds nice to me.
Hey. Thx for the question. I’ve only played through one twice. Both times on a multi band night. It was pretty glorious but I will say it was two of the very few times I’ve played through a 412. And that’s gonna change your perception of anything!
I’ve gotta say it’s the second part of your question that actually matters. If it sounds good to you and I’d therefore gonna help you make make music. Then no, it absolutely does NOT matter!
Man, cool videos. ❤. I am wondering Rob do these feel like a real amp? They all seem to me to get pretty close to the real thing in tone or close enough with the ability to adjust the sound so that the audiance would never notice if I am using a real amp..❤
Thanks man.
Regards from South Central Indiana ..USA..
Tim❤
I think the real amp feel thing is a very hard thing to define. I get what you are talking about but it means a lot of different things to different people. I played a festival recently with the board I shared in the comment you left in the IR200 video. For that gig I sent the IR200 to FOH and played through an actual amp onstage. We don’t use inears so the options are a monitor or a powered cab. If you’re lugging a powered cap just bring an amp as far as I’m concerned. That way you do actually have amp feel. Just make sure the modeller is modelling a similar sound as the amp.
In terms of sound, I think a modeled sound is actually better in a live scenario where you don’t know the engineer. And the crowd CANNOT tell the difference…. Nor do they care!
@@TheGuitarEffect I concur sir. I've had some bad backline amps in my time. When I first started playing way back in the mid 70s and early 80s I used a fender twin and a rat pedal for distortion for a long time and it worked okay. That and a wah. That was it. Then I finally got a 120 watt Peavy 2x 12 called a ranger which was kinda PVs twin amp. Again I used it and a fuzz or something for distortion. That combo amp weighed 90 lbs, but I was young and strong. Not so much now days. 😜. I still like to play though and mostly blues hard rock and 80s metal. Some original boogie blues, etc. So, I'm trying to put together a board of pedals that has an amp simulator not an amp in a box and as you stated there is a difference. Something I can use headphones to practice and to record with at home if I want to do so. I'm thinking I'll just use a monitor at the gig or I'm ears maybe. Like you said, once you have so much equipment, you might as well take an amp.
I'm also looking at the Lion UAFX 68 which EVERYONE says sounds and feels like a real amp with that touch sensitive feel as if the power amp is compressing and it's starved of voltage, etc, on the brown sound which is where I would love mostly and use my volume knob to clean up. Maybe use a boost, otherwise just my Morley wah, maybe a Keeley compressor for cleans , eventide Micropitch, reverb, and probably a TC electronics 2300 or whatever that delay affordable pedal is that has ducking delay.
Anyway, thanks man and I watched several of your vids and didn't comment on them just liked them. I didn't want to wear you out since I like to talk. 😜🤘♥️🤘
You know what man check out the Friedman preamps and the two notes revolt. They’re analog amp modeller a with tubes. I reckon analog is a good way to go to retain feel. It’s just theoretical though.
@@TheGuitarEffect Thanks man. I will check it out. ♥️🤘
Is it possible to achieve completely clean sounds on the green channel?
Hey. Thx for the comment. Yes it is. But I personally don’t think it’s a great clean sound. You need the gain to be at 50% or above in the clean channel. That’s not distorted really but not fully clean.
@@TheGuitarEffect Understood, my idea is to use the green channel as clean sound and the red channel as drive. The post-fader booster to only increase the volume, can you tell me if it is a clean booster? And do you think this pedal is worth buying? The only thing that intrigues me is that I would really like a completely clean channel so I can work with pedals.
Hey. So this is completely a trade off. From a Marshall tone perspective anyway. If you want to use pedals for drive I would go for a JTM45 Pedal. It’s just a better clean sound. IMHO. If you need the two channels I’d go for this.
The boost is very clean yes.
Here’s the other thing. What pedals do you want to use that you’d want it completely clean? If it’s a Rat or a DS1 or something like that then I do t think you’d need a dirty channel. If it’s a tube screamer or colon for pushed clean sounds then I think a fender pedal would be a better platform. Just my thoughts on that.
@@TheGuitarEffect My idea is to use a Tube Screamer as a transparent drive on the green channel and with the ts9 turned off to have a clean sound. On the red channel I want to use it as my distortion and if I need more gain I activate the Tube Screamer. The pedal booster pedal, I want to use it to increase the volume.
Yep. That’d work.
Do you think it's better to buy a Marshall Bluesbreaker/Guvnor etc and use a separate power amp ? I like that too.
There's so much choice now I get a bit confused.
Thanks for the video.
I love the 2203/4 and Placator on Helix and am looking for a single pedal to encompass that Coxon/Greenwood territory sound (I know they used varying amps).
800's varied a lot , the cleans were full on the one I had ages ago.
Cheers, you sound great as usual.
Hey. Thx for the comment. So, as far as I’m concerned if you want to use a pedal and power amp then a blues breaker or Guvnor would absolutely NOT be the way to go. They are for use in the front end of a guitar amp. If you want to use a power amp I’d suggest specifically this. This doesn’t sound good into the front end of an amp.
I could be wrong about this but I think Coxon uses a plexi right? And while Jonny Greenwood does use a Marshall Shredmaster pedal into a solid state fender 112 combo. So it’s a very different sound to a Marshall amp
Thanks.Yes, I understand you saying that about Coxon and Greenwood but just using the 2203, 4 or Placator in the Helix I find you can cover them despite the gear differences.
I may have to go for Strymon as I keep hearing stellar things about that.
Thank you for taking the time to answer.There's still Catalinbread's Dirty Little Secret too ! I have other Catalinbreads I love so I may just go for that.👍
I really like the xotic XL drive and the Bogner blue for Marshall tones into an amp.
Thank you fr always taking the time to answer queries.Great playing and my fave channel.💫
I made it 5:00 into it, and that's all I can do... Aren't you supposed to be DEMOING this pedal so guitarists that watch your channel can tell what the pedal actually does? WHY would run an impossibly elaborate stereo mix, complete with post production impulse responses that literally NO ONE ELSE will EVER use to "SHOW WHAT THE PEDAL DOES"?!? It's almost like you're FAR more concerned with sounding "good" than giving folks an accurate representation of what the PRODUCT you're "DEMOING" actually does...
If you HONESTLY want to HELP guitarists, do an HONEST demo and plug the pedal into a CRYSTAL clean amp... WHY are ALL these "reviewers" tryin to show off "Sick Toanz, Bro" instead of just showing what the damned pedal ACTUALLY does?!? Sheeeesh!
*Update- Oh yeah, let's add EXTRA pedals BEFORE and AFTER the pedal too, ya know, to "show what the pedal does"...
Wow. Thx for that. Literally in the first 2 minutes I said I don’t think you should run this into an amp. In my opinion it’s not designed for that 🙄the entitlement of some commenters on here is breathtaking. It’d wear you out.
@@TheGuitarEffectright!? You literally showed the product in a practical application sense. This is the way it’s supposed to be used for recording or direct for the most part.
Its ok .but of course sounds nothing like the real jcm800 lead Sirius be blown off stage
Sorry mate! No idea who Sirius is! Apologies. But these things rarely do sound like the real thing but in a way I don’t think they’re supposed to. They’re more to give the feel or idea in a specific setting. I think this does that well