Just think of all the low-grade female MP's they've drafted in to get the PC balance right. I thought women were supposed to be good at multi-tasking yet this mob couldn't even get one job done.
Yep. Having retired from the import/export business with airlines, it is only a matter of government red tape, a customs form. As long as you have your forms sorted out correctly and truthfully, your shipments will sail through. Occasionally customs will search your shipment to check whether you are truthful and correct, but not often. The more you mess the form up, the more they check. This goes for tropical fish, magazines, newspapers, books, pet food, electronics, and toys. Getting shipments through customs isn't rocket science...
My country is already clearing parking lots all over to make space for the traffic jams. But sure I guess the director of Calais said something :p. Soo much wishful thinking here, it's marvelous.
The EU is even more unpopular in France than in UK,although this fact is not aired in the media. Macron is a fanatical europhile and is viscerally hated by much of the French populace. The remainiacs of UK must push the "problems" lie as part of their negative propaganda about brexit.
Someone speaking sense how rare, well done Ian for being a fair interviewer and for your honest attempt to maintain a civil debate in an increasingly polarised political argument.
Dale is not a fair interviewer at all. Back when we had that supposed Novichok incident he called someone calling in a traitor simply because the caller was doubting the government official story
@@joefurey6813 it's not just 'an issue' , it's the crux of the problem. What they are suggesting is a temporary measure to get goods into the country. The delays going the other way will soon have an effect on the availability of transportation for goods coming in.
bighand69 Mate sorry but we haven’t left the EU yet, when we leave the EU, you will see the difference in importing and exporting goods. When we que up at the airport, and it says “European Union citizens this way” we’re gonna be joining the que with the rest of the world now. 🤷♂️
@Gemmi who is 'they'? Even BoJo's cronies know the real risks of no deal, just read the report from operation yellowhammer. If the people responsible for Brexit fear no deal, along with pretty much ALL the experts then perhaps we should listen to them instead of some guy who CLAIMS he used to work in a port. I don't see any sort of proof in this video whatsoever, just some unemployed guy on a telephone, but you would rather believe what matches your opinion than actual facts.
@@tims5268 There is no problem with a No Deal Brexit. The Yellowhammer report is old & Covers Worst case scenario. None of that report is quantified or calculated. It is Merely a guide as to where to spot any downsides to no deal. A guide as to what needs to be Looked into & Rectified prior to a no deal brexit. Rather like Testing a Fire alarm, & Checking all the fire doors in a building. To PREVENT any of the contents from actually happening. The BBC & MSM are going Wild over it. I suggest you read the full Document. What the MSM Omitted was the Headline, Which says Something to the effect of " A load of old Waffle " Not Based on fact etc. WORST Case Scenario,. Many Preparations Have been Made to AVOID any of this happening. IT IS REMAINER FEAR FACTOR & STRETCHED LIES. A No Deal Brexit will go like Clockwork. unless the remainer MP's sabotage Things somehow.
I think he’s glossing over the fact that every bit of paperwork will need to be checked each side at the border, especially if there are mistakes or omissions, which will take a considerable amount of time to sort out. He’s also glossing over other issues like vehicle insurances, EU limits on reciprocity of driving licences which will add cost, but more importantly the EU limits on the number of non-EU trucks. Even issues like the certification of pallets aren’t addressed and it’s details like this that are important. Yellowhammer details the issues.
Generations1st James would just steer the conversation in a different direction and bang on about something irrelevant and about how much brexit voters like being lied to
Dave Davidson your right I listened to boring O’Brien today say that Northern Ireland must stay either in the e.u or a customs union to preserve the GFA as the republicans will go back to terror if we don’t he then later said that if Northern Ireland voted to join the republic and the loyalist terrorist went back to violence then they would have to be ignored because u can’t have terrorists choosing for the majority honestly the man is a clown
As someone who has taken trucks through Dover thousands of times and across hundreds of borders using different procedures pre EEC and post EEC / EU I cannot see how there could possibly be any delays. Trucks are only stopped and inspected based on intelligence. Lets remember the UK 'border' is actually in Calais so a truck arrives there and a) books a ferry or train slot (takes about 15 minutes) and in that time the driver registers his consignment which has a valid VAT number and which has been 'pre-entered'. b) the driver joins a queue and waits for a ferry or train (takes about 45 minutes). c) The truck crosses the Channel (takes between an hour and 2 hours) and then d) arrives in Dover / Folkestone. Elapsed time between 2 and 3 hours (train vs ferry). By this time UK Customs will have loaded any VAT and Tariffs due onto the importer's account, nothing needs paying and the truck leaves the port. Felisxstowe lands £80 Bn of WTO traded goods in a year and the customs element takes minutes. Now call me ignorant because I voted Leave but I know about International Logistics as I also later worked for one of the largest UK shipping companies and there will not be any more queues in Calais or Kent than there are now. Especially as over 50% of trucks leaving the UK are actually empty.
1chish If the French go on strike like they have done before. Being a member of the EU didn't stop the queues then. I don't remember having food and drug shortage either, and that was with no planning on place.
1chish Thank you for your detailed account... this is reality, what the MSM push is a false narrative that needs good ppl like you to combat & get the real story out. Thanks once again 👍
So this guy is saying that as long as there is a document in the truck, the truck can then cross the border without having to stop or present the document? That's fantastic.
@@davidjoyce7197 So O'Brien knows more about imports and exports at ports and borders than the guy who ran the Port of Dover eh? Arse handed to him? Don't think so Remoaner. You types never give up do you.
@@davidjoyce7197 being talked over, shouted down and yelled at by someone suffering from Dunning Kruger isn't getting your ass handed to you and nor is O'Brien throwing all his toys out of his pram at the merest mention of Brexit.
Nameless caller who claims that he used to run the custom terminal in Dover tells you that all the named experts are wrong. Interviewer asks him one limp question about the people whose actual names and credibility are on the line, and then allows him to deflect onto a different subject. Well, I'm reassured. I guess it was all project fear all along.
YOU ARE ANOTHER CLOWN who does not respect DEMOCRACY 17.3 million people voted to leave. YOU are not happy until we have another 6 elections or more until you get the VOTE YOU WANT. OR BEST OF 3 LOL YOU ARE A JOKE
@@jj-hn2ll I'd be happy if you could just get most of the people in Parliament representing our interests to agree to a plan of action, or a government in place that would release plans for a Brexit that weren't complete nightmare fuel. But since you're not able to accomplish either of those things after over 3 years of trying, maybe it's time to let the voters who got us into this mess take a second look?
@@latest3dsgames Actually, I'm less reassured now. You see, the government's own "most likely-hastily edited to be labelled-reasonable worst case scenario" projections have been released and they contradict the story of Ian no last name. The government that put this report together being of a strongly pro-leave stance I'm now worried that these 'facts' may be incorrect. Perhaps you have other 'facts' that explain how the remainers have infilitrated the Johnson government and taken over his own analysis?
Why are the people on this thread citing this as proof of scaremongering by remainers?Assuming this man is correct, food is but one example. What happens to medical supplies, what happens to security, what happens to cooperation on policing? And all the other intangible issues that would never in any case be held up at Dover. The rejoicing that someone is finally telling the truth - on one issue- demonstrates the inability to see the bigger picture and demonstrates why we are in this mess.
The same can be said for all the remainers pedalling this narrative of fear of a no deal. Short term there may be issues but in the long term we’ll prosper. Why can’t they just see the bigger picture?
raimesey - perhaps because some of us will not see that prosperity? Because people may in the meantime suffer or die through lack of medicine? Because the U.K. will be a refuge for criminals because we can’t cooperate with Europol? Because the moment we are out donald trump will come crashing in and buy up the NHS? The prosperity may be a long time coming.
Wow.160 pop-up stations that weren’t there before. If the difference is negligible, why even bother with them? No additional checks on what’s coming in or going out between two different regulatory systems? What could possibly go wrong.
4:07 Lol, now that I'd love to hear. I'd bet James O'Brien would shut down due to this caller, as it would not compute with his "C:whinge/msm/project_fear" programming.
I also would love to hear that, but for very different reasons. If you think what the caller is saying is good news, you arent listening to what he said. He is describing the uk governments policy for keeping trade flowing: by not doing its job and not enforcing its standards.
@@simeonharman4589 You are missing the point. No one is saying anything about it being "Good news." It is just more proof that the remain media are scaremongering, which we've all known for years. That is sad news, sad in that the media are a bunch of selfish snakes who are willing to sell us all out and destroy our whole system of governance as they continue to engage in Project Fear. You know, like the sort of thing you are doing right ^here.
@ryan Godden no, they wont, they cant if they want to keep trade flowing. The uk doesn't do proper checks now because EU countries are legally bound to make sure goods sold in the uk are to EU standards. When we leave, they wont, and the uk goverment wont.
@Trevor Clark if goods are being sold out side the single market, they dont have to be made to EU standards so we have no reason to believe they will be
Interesting considering UK law calls for physical checks on food. Also interesting considering not what the government's own documents and predictions are stating. Swiss border has on average 20% of incorrectly filled in paperwork. They've been doing it for years.
At the air cargo firm I used to work for before retiring, heads rolled when the papers weren't filled out correctly and shipments were delayed... Importing or exporting...
Pre Brexit if import export documentation is not correctly filed or administrated that could open up a business to fraud investigations and other investigations.
Should have put that on the side of a big red bus! "we'll survive - they'll be pop-up's" - this whole interview is about making the best of a bad situation. that was called project fear in the past.
Each export company requires appropriate paperwork. One lorry driver on James O’Brien programme said he had over a thousand different companies on his lorry, each will need export paperwork. It is not entry to UK that is the problem, it is that we will be a third country and all exports to the EU will have to pass through customs on entering the EU. The caller is correct in that the shortage is more likely on the EU side until they find an EU supplier and we lose our market.
@@toadattoadhall Most people don't appreciate that every consignment requires TWO sets of documentation - an Export Declaration for Customs in the country of departure then a separate Import Declaration for the Customs of country of destination.
@@skyblazeeterno 2 things. Firstly this chap is talking about the detail on a specific subject where yellowhammer is far reaching. Secondly yellowhammer is talking about worst case scenario. And really its not that bad.
If this guy is who he says he is he wouldn’t be reduced to low rent radio phone ins, he would be a regular contributor on sky news, FAKE NEWS FROM A FAKE CALLER
James O'brien will be happy to quote experts who sit in an office doing worst case planning, like the Doctor who claimed peeps will die because of brexit
Just to add, he's one of those people who thinks everything has to be centrally-planned by the state; that makes him incredibly short-sighted and on the wrong side of history.
@@CiaphasCainHeroOfTheImperium Why should there be a shortage? Any urgent meds can be shipped by air as they are today due to any problems by road or rail. The world is bigger than the EU and trade will continues.
I work in the export industry. All exporters & freight forwarders shipping from the UK will require additional documentation when exporting from the UK to Europe, in the event of a hard Brexit. I'm more concerned that businesses aren't ready for this additional overhead and cost, than I am about import hold ups. The impact of unforeseen additional export doc requirements is potentially huge.
Any business that is not really is in danger of failing because if they are not ready for such a simple thing the chances are they have lots of other problems in their business already.
Why didn't Iain Dale ask critical questions about what paperwork you'll need and what happens if you don't have it. And it's no difference for the consumer between an unsuccessful export or an unsuccessful import and you have to deal with both.
Listen to it again properly instead of just waiting for what you think is a negative point the man explains it with the 160 custom posts and phone lines around the UK to declare your export papers within 6 months now to answer your question about what will happen if they don't have it sorted by the time they get there is pretty simple no proof no export its no different from you trying to get to another country without a passport. Not rocket science is it?
@@peterhausmann8337 every haulage company should have a logistical department which is their job to deal with situations like this so the Joe public delivery drivers don't have to deal with it, each side of the channel has had 3 years to prepare or discuss situations that would arise like this but instead they have put all their energy in trying to stop brexit happening. Getting back to the importing exporting, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the importing side to check if everything in said truck is correct for entering in the country/bloc but the exporting side because if it was down to the importing side and said products was allowed in with incorrect products then that would be a waste of travel and causing unnecessary backlog from the importers side clogging up the space for our exporting and returning to the EU lorries. Now if the chaos happens no matter what side it comes from it is down to poorly constructed preparations from the chaotic side. I don't know how prepared the EU are but ours is coming on fine plus there will be a transitional period to make things go as smooth as possible.
Adam Newman listen to it again. He did not say there are six months to declare exports. Exports must be declared before departure. And what about the significant cost of these 160 check points? He is also wrong about 6 months to declare imports.
This seems very strange to me. I've crossed the Swiss border many times. If you are in a van or lorry you have to stop and go to two different offices with your pre prepared paperwork. Takes half an hour at the least. And that is everyone, not just random people they pick.
@@Harrysound At least he would ask the guy why the Government says otherwise. And he would not let him get away with something unverifiable. Because let's be clear this is the scariest part of Brexit next to the Irish border and possible violence caused by it.
You cannot import & export when you have no international trade agreements and if your relying wto, you won’t be able to sell (export) your goods due to the additional tax’s and you won’t be able to buy (import) anything due to your weak pound and the additional tax’s. Get real, no deal will give you about 70 years of hurt.
You never mentioned 'Free' in any replies. Anyway, trade deals are not free - they are agreements between countries or unions that allow imports and exports with reduced or no, import and export taxes.
@@andreskelly5761 Scared, I am MORE scared for my grandkids if we are still in the EU. Bunch of thieves. I want our country back where we can look after our own, instead of trying to look after the world. We are an island FFS. It's not all about economics.
Doug Weall interesting, all brexiters are complaining about Parliament yet you prefer Parliament to determine your Grandson’s future and not the EU? You don’t mention anything about the pound plummeting, but thats alright for you’re Grand Children too I guess? Next thing you’ll be telling them to buy everything British and never leave the country ey?
@@andreskelly5761 You know as well as I do the pound up or down has nothing to do with the EU. As for Parliament I would love to see the whole lot replaced by MP's that DO care about the people of this country. Our Parliament is almost as undemocratic as the EU in their outlook. As before it's not all about money.
Doug Weall Wow, I don’t mean to be rude but you’re really showing a lack of intelligence from your part. How can you say that Brexit has nothing to do with the pound plummeting? Is it not a coincidence that the pound plummeted weeks after Brexit in 2016? Are you not thinking straight? Investors were scared to invest due to UNCERTAINTY which means people don’t invest into british pound because they are scared about laws, regulations and things changing. This is the main problem: You people have been brainwashed by social media, Nigel Farage etc. And you don’t even understand economics or how investments work. You’ve clearly demonstrated your knowledge on the subject with your last comment.
Have you watched him when he was interviewing JRM? He was squirming, huffing and puffing getting crosser all the time. He couldn’t interview a rag doll. Get him off!
The current CEO of the port of Dover is named Doug. The previous CEO was named Tim. There is no “customs terminal” anywhere in the port’s web site or annual reports. Is this guy legit?
So who is he? Anyone? He 'used to run the port of Dover'. So .... does he have a name? Why is this caller anonymous? I think this is fishy. And I should know. I used to run MI5.
I've been saying for years "Why would we make imports difficult?". The EU can make Exports difficult but its us who decide the checks necessary for imports not the EU.
If this guy is right then why did the government's own research find that there would be all these issues? And why is he too scared to call in to speak to a well researched remainer? I hope this guy is right for everyone's sake but I suspect that he might not be.
@@kristianscherrer6635 Yeah Yeah Yeah so you are an expert then Note this is a leaver who apparently does not know what he is talking about.....even the hard line brexiteers do not seam to agree with this......have you ever done customs and freight paperwork????
What a load of cod’s wallop. This man is an expert on trading across a border within the EU. He has no experience of running a border outside the EU. Next time talk to someone from the border with Ukraine, or Turkey, or Serbia, or.....
I'm a remainder and was somewhat reassured by this but I've also seen an interview with an operations director in the port of Dover who stated they don't have enough staff to cope with all the additional paperwork!! The we get Operation Yellowhammer published, which also seems to contradict this caller. So I listened again and realized that this is only half the story. He is only referring to lorries ENTERING this country whereby we will waive or defer customs regulations. It doesn't work like that going the other way! The governments own estimations are that between 50% and 85% of vehicles will not have the correct paperwork to travel from Britain to the EU hence their estimate of perhaps delays of 2 1/2 days at Dover. This would mean possibly 10 or 20 thousand lorries parked in Kent waiting for clearance hence the need for airfields as lorry parks (operation Yellowhammer). These delays will have a knock on effect for return journeys to the UK, adding to transportation costs, so at best this would only be a very short term solution.
Thing that should have been asked is how this affect the UK system of stocking as needed. Obviously they can do paper work in advance but the uk works as "as needed" supply system. Also, while you can have paper work in hand you have to have people reviewing , stamping it and doing at least a brief inspection as to make sure it's the correct shipment. That takes time and when thousands of trucks enter the country that is alot of time.
Funny how brexiteers have spent years dismissing the opinions of experts but as soon as 1 random guy who claims he worked in a port they're all for it.
@Hairy Chinese Kid except the majority of experts agree that Brexit will be terrible for the UK. Of course you'll find a few that don't, just like you'll find a few experts that don't accept climate change or evolution.
What hes saying is correct for goods moved within eu , a no deal will mean ata carnets with customs checks before the carnet is stamped to allow the good to move either in or out of the country and duty's paid if any are due , there will be a check at dover and one at calais and a stamp needed for each,Any goods ie a F1 team that will be returning with same load will need a bond to cover the value of the goods and any difference (ie a tyre missing) will be subject to charges and the holding of the bond till settled , and has Ireland will be a EU border the same for anything moving backwards and forwards across the irish border
what is he talking about? The first import declaration is due at the end of 6 months - what? I work in this field and I honestly have no idea what this caller is talking about.
5% of filled in paperwork goes wrong.. so great you come prepared at the port... but with a wrong paper the amount of time then it will be now an issue.
Well, it's blatantly obvious that shortages will only appear in the UK if the British government deliberately orders the customs inspection teams to hold up imports. If the UK government declares a waiver, or declares that it'd let goods in as before Brexit, then no shortages will arise on the account of Brexit.
Sure, it is exactly the type of bureaucrate who says anything is easy, but will stop a lorry with fresh fish for one week at the border because the declaration has an orthographik error. Furthermore, he tells custom agents should do the work without discussing the number of agents available.
So what about people driving a few miles across Northern Ireland and crossing the border multiple times? What if you get stuck behind some idiot who didn't use the pop-up terminals? Etc. I'm not saying this guy didn't have the answer to these questions, but it's annoying he was just talking to a sycophant and so he didn't get a chance to address it.
@@skyblazeeterno then why are the cronies responsible for this mess so fearful of no deal? Just read operation yellowhammer report. How do you know it's complete tosh? because some unemployed guy who claims he used to work for a port told you? Oh dear.
Yellowhammer will portray the worst case outcome and not the best outcome. Those issues that carry the highest risk will be prioritised to minimise the risk. Nobody is saying there will be absolutely no issues but it is entirely possible that the issues will be little more than a short term inconvenience. Being a member of the EUSSR doesn't guarantee frictionless movement at the borders as particularly the French have a habit of striking, demonstrating and protesting. This too is an annoying inconvenience and is likely to remain a bigger issue long after ours are resolved.Avoiding some temporary disruption at our border isn't worth selling your soul for!
Yeah, wrong. What Yellowhammer describes is the basic scenario in the case of a No deal Brexit. They just went and changed the title before the release, so that people like you have an easier time to dismiss it. But why am I even discussing this with someone who uses the word EUSSR? Do you have ANY idea how insulting this is for countries which suffered under the UDSSR?
Esp now we know its name got changed from base to reasonable worst case (oxymoron, i believe this is called) operation blackswan is the real worst case scenario
Probably computer generated. Or just a choice from a diminishing stock of possible options. Most, all? of the D-Day landing beaches secret names turned up as clues in the Times crosswords puzzles prior to the invasion. Base and reasonable are not words to focus on, any more than a bird species. The two words to pay attention to are worst case. Anybody who doesn’t make provision for a worst case scenario is not being careful. Anybody who makes the best political scares out of worst case is likely to be unreliable in level headed debate.
Yellow hammer is a "best guess" on the worst scenario. It's not a factual scenario, just one of many. Banks do the same thing all the time, same documents with SCENARIOS
That document was a worst case thing plus they didn’t speak to these experts. You need to first see who wrote it. There’s people that sit and write about no go areas in Uk but in reality it doesn’t exist
I sincerely don't think that all the UK lorries coming into the EU will have the proper documentation . But even if they were, the main bottleneck will be the border with France, because those lorries will have be psychically inspected (and the UK will not be able to do anything to speed up that process). Furthermore, any problem can result in a cascade of delays and the lorries that end up waiting to cross the border will not be able to complete the round trip. And since lorries (or drivers) are not an infinite resource, the UK will probably suffer a lack of food and medicines within a week after a No Deal.
I love the idea of trucks being psychically inspected. Is HMRC going to employ Mystic Meg to train customs officers in extra-sensory perception? Wil they be provided with crystal balls?
The caller is assuming that all importers and exporters, through Dover, are "border ready". But it's a false assumption. So he's talking rubbish, basically.
Kinda laughing at some of the comments here. Of course goods are going to be checked otherwise you have that pesky thing called smuggling. If everyone was honest and legit then you wouldn’t need a border control at all... but we are not so we do. It doesn’t matter if you are a Leaver or a Remainer, use an ounce of that grey matter you have upstairs and think about the process critically. Obviously moving us outside of a trade zone is going to impact Both parties. There will be new paperwork to be done since the 2 trade areas will no longer be using the same system. The amount of paperwork depends on the 2 different bodies. Of course any cost due to the additional paperwork will be passed on to the end purchaser. * edited 2 typos
SI_ W no they currently are not all checked because we are in a trading zone and the UK government chooses to check goods from the EU less.They do check most lorries with co2 detectors etc but of course they can be gotten around by people with money to buy the right equipment. From my understanding each country sets their own inspection quotas. There very probably is a minimum quota of checks set by some international body but I can’t comment on what I don’t know. People smuggling from outside the EU is a lot more rare simply because of the time they have to spend hidden, but it does happen.
@@deskirby309 check out the huge queues at Dover in 2015.... They weren't caused by brexit (that's before we even voted to leave). Perhaps you would like to rethink YOUR argument?? Are you a snooker fan, by any chance?
@@nairdamorton5148 Auto correct my friend. The queue in 2015 was because of a french drivers strike. The queues today are because of brexit. My argument is still valid.
@@deskirby309 auto incorrect, obviously! The queues of today are partly because of French customs officials not turning up, and others just leaving their booths, with no replacements, leaving cars unable to move.....incompetence, or petulance?? Care to explain how today's queues "are because of Brexit"??
@@nairdamorton5148Dodged the point about the french drivers strike I see. 2200000 passengers go through dover every year. Pre Brexit they just pass through customs. (They used to just let British people through when there was a tail back). Post brexit all of them need to be stopped and their passports and documents(for goods) checked. Even if this takes as little as 2 minutes per person. It amounts to 4400000 minutes extra. That is bound to have a knock on effect. Also all the booths on the french side are fully stocked, their work practices havent changed. So blaming them is nonsense. Brexit is the difference. You voted out. You reap what you sow.
I phoned James a few months ago and told him all this in relation to the NI border and the abuse I got on line was huge. The information I got was from a couple of mates who are retired Custom and Excise Officers.
EU says UK get paid too much the workers have to make less like rest of EU! Doesn't matter if cost living is higher doesn't matter ! Same pay across board. No fishing in waters! EU profits in fishing !
While he is right , with respect he’s wrong . They’re just moving the queues further away from the port and no deal means tariffs of over 25% on British goods entering Europe , to start with ... from my perspective this is all very interesting .
Seen the 30 mile lorry ques at Dover? People did warn about this, but they were dismissed as "project fear"....if you think covid was bad, brexit will make the covid situation seem like a walk in the park. But "they knew what they were voting for "....
As a Remain Voter I am desperately hoping this man is entirely correct; food and medicine scarcity is only going to hurt the most vulnerable in our society. What I don`t understand is: if these mechanism are ready to be deployed (`pop-up` stations in lorry parks in UK and EU to aid compliance even in a No-Deal scenario) and the paperwork requirements have a such a long period of submission to allow transport networks to function properly: why hasn`t this been announced, explained, or indeed celebrated as a political success story for the Conservative Government in terms of preparedness?
If what this former Dover port official is saying is correct, there's been plenty of time and opportunity for pro brexiteer reportingto bring this to public attention. Why on earth haven't they done so?
it doesn't take away the fact that the goods have to be agreed upon by the EU and if the rules are different they will be held up...not all US and Chinese goods are allowed in based on transport papers..
ben31uk I know they say queues for miles if we leave no deal, as if being in the EU stops that... We've already had massive queues when the French go on strike. Still no food or medicine shortages, and there wasn't 3yrs of planning for that.
UK pole 123 Exactly! That's the thing about politicians. To prevent themselves from exploding, they've cultivated the ability to listen without hearing... If you'll notice this special trait seem to come with a few drawbacks. They eventually lose the ability to hear what they themselves are saying, but I believe they've made an accomplishment out of a drawback: They can by now say anything without worrying the least if it makes any sense. 🌀 🙄 😱 ⁉️ 😂😂😂😂
I think I would want to know who this person is, Name would be good. Is he really someone who used to run the customs terminal at the port of dover? Because the data the government have been getting from virtually all shipping ports suggest strong issue with delays. What he says, we know is true to a degree 'now' because we are IN the EU, but non EU transports are treated very differently. And if we leave the EU, we can lower our standards of checks to speed up lorries coming in, but EU will treat us as a non EU country and their checks at their side will be extremely long. That's why we might need a long ass queue at our end of the ports. Not for the Lorries coming in, but the lorries waiting in line to go out into or through EU to get to their destination. And we will very likely have that if we are to do trade with countries past the EU, or countries that we need to access through the EU AAANND because we don't have enough ports space for imports from outside of EU, some will have to drop off at a EU port and travel to our country through land.
And who is this fantastic person , with no name and rank and what was his job and how long . Bulshit mate . 100s who work there say it's nightmare, then we have to believe an unknown caller 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Currently there are import export rules, but with a no deal brexit, current rules and regs are gone. The EU will block imports from the UK and can block exports to the UK. With a deal tho there is a time period of transition. without it, the entire system is full stop and emergency rules have to go into place. Of which, the UK has none. The EU has rules but they are harsh.
Did you not listen to the Operations Director with 35 years experience shipping to and from Europe who was in charge of the customs at Dover and had to implement and be consulted regarding the no deal preparations? He is TALKING about the regs and procedures that will exist after a no deal brexit so I have no idea where you are coming from, sounds like you played the first min of the video and commented. Perhaps you should link your linkedin profile here so we can check your credentials against this callers own profile. I check his and trust me, unless you are his boss I dont think you know what you are talking about. You must be a CEO?
Well, this sounds good... but I have some questions. 150 pop up customs stops sounds expensive. Arr they going to be forever and if not what happens when they all close? And are we going to have the staff ready for them in just 8 weeks? I can't quite understand why the border works differently coming in than going out? The customs form being processed late is all well and good, but how do you actually check the goods at a later date? Also, if all the lorries are held up waiting to leave then they wont be available to return with the next delivery on time.
I remember being told that MPs needed a pay rise because they deserved it, by that logic the national minimum wage should be 70k a year
@StrikingHand I'm sure this was very recently as recent as being under a Tory Gov. But don't let me stop your "Dat Laybore tho"!
Think now mps deserve a pay cut, they earned a pay cut.
Just think of all the low-grade female MP's they've drafted in to get the PC balance right. I thought women were supposed to be good at multi-tasking yet this mob couldn't even get one job done.
Shouldn’t be paid at all at the moment - they’re not doing their jobs!
The don't deserve a pay rise, so give them a pay cut. Mps, not worth much tbh.
This Guy was Blacklisted from Question time and the BBC.
And why should that be? Break Brexit Corporation is just about as barefaced as it can get now!
@Gordon Bird yeah same
Gordon Bird can you ask your mate why his company protected Jimmy Saville?
We don't want people telling the truth! How awful.
@@danieldavidson3499 the truth?
Why do the BBC not Interview these people?! ….. well, we know why..
Yep. Having retired from the import/export business with airlines, it is only a matter of government red tape, a customs form. As long as you have your forms sorted out correctly and truthfully, your shipments will sail through. Occasionally customs will search your shipment to check whether you are truthful and correct, but not often. The more you mess the form up, the more they check. This goes for tropical fish, magazines, newspapers, books, pet food, electronics, and toys. Getting shipments through customs isn't rocket science...
Shared it all over bbc channel and on The complaints website😁
the fact that these experts are never interviewed on msm tells us all we need to know
@@jeanhenly343 Yes, the BBC and the Remainders are gas lighting us...
Do you mean the 'Block Brexit Campaign'?
The director of Calais docks said that even with a no deal brexit, nothing will change.
The mayor of Calais also said this.
My country is already clearing parking lots all over to make space for the traffic jams. But sure I guess the director of Calais said something :p. Soo much wishful thinking here, it's marvelous.
The EU is even more unpopular in France than in UK,although this fact is not aired in the media. Macron is a fanatical europhile and is viscerally hated by much of the French populace. The remainiacs of UK must push the "problems" lie as part of their negative propaganda about brexit.
The queues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Someone speaking sense how rare, well done Ian for being a fair interviewer and for your honest attempt to maintain a civil debate in an increasingly polarised political argument.
Dale is not a fair interviewer at all. Back when we had that supposed Novichok incident he called someone calling in a traitor simply because the caller was doubting the government official story
Fair perhaps but not very thorough. He should have asked what happens when vehicles try to enter the EU.(see my post above)
@@steveosborne2297 he said there is an issue with export during the interview
I agree
@@joefurey6813 it's not just 'an issue' , it's the crux of the problem. What they are suggesting is a temporary measure to get goods into the country. The delays going the other way will soon have an effect on the availability of transportation for goods coming in.
I used to deliver to a crisp factory in France and my customs clearance was done at the factory, no problems at all
Crick Malcolm You used to, when we were in the EU. When we are not in the EU it will be different.
@@englandfantv6592 He'll have had his chips.
@@englandfantv6592
I own a transport company in the UK. The only thing that has changed is the administration. Nothing else.
bighand69 Mate sorry but we haven’t left the EU yet, when we leave the EU, you will see the difference in importing and exporting goods. When we que up at the airport, and it says “European Union citizens this way” we’re gonna be joining the que with the rest of the world now. 🤷♂️
@@englandfantv6592 What will be different , o omniscient genius?
I bet Sky news won't have him back....Kind of messes up their biased narrative!
Ann Gent
Sly news
its funny watching sky news Australia there the opposite they hate the EU
He must have thought he was on sky news Australia they're pro brexit.
SLY NEWS
@@aptexp3164 totally true
PROOF that They are FULL of LIES.
Gemmi you mean “Even MORE proof....”
@@DavidSmith-ip6tk CONFIRMATION of LIES & TOTAL B.SH**
One phone call ???
There’s plenty other in that same business that don’t share his view. We shall see who has egg on their faces pretty soon.
@Gemmi who is 'they'? Even BoJo's cronies know the real risks of no deal, just read the report from operation yellowhammer. If the people responsible for Brexit fear no deal, along with pretty much ALL the experts then perhaps we should listen to them instead of some guy who CLAIMS he used to work in a port. I don't see any sort of proof in this video whatsoever, just some unemployed guy on a telephone, but you would rather believe what matches your opinion than actual facts.
@@tims5268 There is no problem with a No Deal Brexit.
The Yellowhammer report is old & Covers Worst case scenario.
None of that report is quantified or calculated. It is Merely a guide as to where to spot any downsides to no deal.
A guide as to what needs to be Looked into & Rectified prior to a no deal brexit.
Rather like Testing a Fire alarm, & Checking all the fire doors in a building.
To PREVENT any of the contents from actually happening.
The BBC & MSM are going Wild over it.
I suggest you read the full Document.
What the MSM Omitted was the Headline, Which says Something to the effect of " A load of old Waffle " Not Based on fact etc.
WORST Case Scenario,.
Many Preparations Have been Made to AVOID any of this happening. IT IS REMAINER FEAR FACTOR & STRETCHED LIES.
A No Deal Brexit will go like Clockwork. unless the remainer MP's sabotage Things somehow.
I think he’s glossing over the fact that every bit of paperwork will need to be checked each side at the border, especially if there are mistakes or omissions, which will take a considerable amount of time to sort out. He’s also glossing over other issues like vehicle insurances, EU limits on reciprocity of driving licences which will add cost, but more importantly the EU limits on the number of non-EU trucks. Even issues like the certification of pallets aren’t addressed and it’s details like this that are important. Yellowhammer details the issues.
There is truth out there, strange we rarely hear it.
James O Bryan would self implode upon hearing this.
Would be great if O'Bryan just imploded. What a horrible arrogant guy.
Generations1st James would just steer the conversation in a different direction and bang on about something irrelevant and about how much brexit voters like being lied to
Lets hope so. Empty suit could fall out of his own ass.
Dave Davidson your right I listened to boring O’Brien today say that Northern Ireland must stay either in the e.u or a customs union to preserve the GFA as the republicans will go back to terror if we don’t he then later said that if Northern Ireland voted to join the republic and the loyalist terrorist went back to violence then they would have to be ignored because u can’t have terrorists choosing for the majority honestly the man is a clown
@David Ward He wouldn't have let him speak as soon as he realised what he was going to say didn't fit within his echo chamber.
As someone who has taken trucks through Dover thousands of times and across hundreds of borders using different procedures pre EEC and post EEC / EU I cannot see how there could possibly be any delays. Trucks are only stopped and inspected based on intelligence.
Lets remember the UK 'border' is actually in Calais so a truck arrives there and a) books a ferry or train slot (takes about 15 minutes) and in that time the driver registers his consignment which has a valid VAT number and which has been 'pre-entered'. b) the driver joins a queue and waits for a ferry or train (takes about 45 minutes). c) The truck crosses the Channel (takes between an hour and 2 hours) and then d) arrives in Dover / Folkestone. Elapsed time between 2 and 3 hours (train vs ferry). By this time UK Customs will have loaded any VAT and Tariffs due onto the importer's account, nothing needs paying and the truck leaves the port.
Felisxstowe lands £80 Bn of WTO traded goods in a year and the customs element takes minutes. Now call me ignorant because I voted Leave but I know about International Logistics as I also later worked for one of the largest UK shipping companies and there will not be any more queues in Calais or Kent than there are now. Especially as over 50% of trucks leaving the UK are actually empty.
1chish
If the French go on strike like they have done before. Being a member of the EU didn't stop the queues then.
I don't remember having food and drug shortage either, and that was with no planning on place.
1chish Thank you for your detailed account... this is reality, what the MSM push is a false narrative that needs good ppl like you to combat & get the real story out. Thanks once again 👍
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@@sir.malcolm.copson why would our own government draw far different conclusions?
do all habours work this way?
IF IT'S NOT MADE IN THE UK DON'T BUY IT
I only buy grapes or easy peelers that are from Spain everything else is British
Adam Newman oh really? For instance, the petrol you put in your car is that British too? You people are a joke!
@@andreskelly5761 I don't drive plus crude oil doesn't come from the EU you moron.....
Think before you write stupid scenarios
The Ive been doing this for years my friend
@@andreskelly5761 Who's a joke ?????
Doesn't drive...hehehe....schoolboy error on your part that one...hehehehe!
So this guy is saying that as long as there is a document in the truck, the truck can then cross the border without having to stop or present the document?
That's fantastic.
No one wants to call in and be abused by that tool O'Brien. He's not interested in hearing anything that isn't his own voice.
very true
That would be my excuse as well
😂😂 funny he did'nt call james and refuses to as he will get his arse handed to him
@@davidjoyce7197 So O'Brien knows more about imports and exports at ports and borders than the guy who ran the Port of Dover eh? Arse handed to him? Don't think so Remoaner. You types never give up do you.
@@davidjoyce7197 being talked over, shouted down and yelled at by someone suffering from Dunning Kruger isn't getting your ass handed to you and nor is O'Brien throwing all his toys out of his pram at the merest mention of Brexit.
Nameless caller who claims that he used to run the custom terminal in Dover tells you that all the named experts are wrong. Interviewer asks him one limp question about the people whose actual names and credibility are on the line, and then allows him to deflect onto a different subject.
Well, I'm reassured. I guess it was all project fear all along.
YOU ARE ANOTHER CLOWN who does not respect DEMOCRACY 17.3 million people voted to leave. YOU are not happy until we have another 6 elections or more until you get the VOTE YOU WANT. OR BEST OF 3 LOL YOU ARE A JOKE
@@jj-hn2ll Calm down bot
@@jj-hn2ll I'd be happy if you could just get most of the people in Parliament representing our interests to agree to a plan of action, or a government in place that would release plans for a Brexit that weren't complete nightmare fuel.
But since you're not able to accomplish either of those things after over 3 years of trying, maybe it's time to let the voters who got us into this mess take a second look?
Glad you are reassured as these are facts, something which I know is difficult to understand as you only here bullshit from remainers 99% of the time
@@latest3dsgames Actually, I'm less reassured now. You see, the government's own "most likely-hastily edited to be labelled-reasonable worst case scenario" projections have been released and they contradict the story of Ian no last name. The government that put this report together being of a strongly pro-leave stance I'm now worried that these 'facts' may be incorrect. Perhaps you have other 'facts' that explain how the remainers have infilitrated the Johnson government and taken over his own analysis?
Why are the people on this thread citing this as proof of scaremongering by remainers?Assuming this man is correct, food is but one example. What happens to medical supplies, what happens to security, what happens to cooperation on policing? And all the other intangible issues that would never in any case be held up at Dover. The rejoicing that someone is finally telling the truth - on one issue- demonstrates the inability to see the bigger picture and demonstrates why we are in this mess.
Balanced reply. Thanks.
The same can be said for all the remainers pedalling this narrative of fear of a no deal. Short term there may be issues but in the long term we’ll prosper. Why can’t they just see the bigger picture?
raimesey - perhaps because some of us will not see that prosperity? Because people may in the meantime suffer or die through lack of medicine? Because the U.K. will be a refuge for criminals because we can’t cooperate with Europol? Because the moment we are out donald trump will come crashing in and buy up the NHS? The prosperity may be a long time coming.
@@hannahmurray3782 Yes.
Wow.160 pop-up stations that weren’t there before. If the difference is negligible, why even bother with them?
No additional checks on what’s coming in or going out between two different regulatory systems? What could possibly go wrong.
You didn't listen
4:07 Lol, now that I'd love to hear. I'd bet James O'Brien would shut down due to this caller, as it would not compute with his "C:whinge/msm/project_fear" programming.
I also would love to hear that, but for very different reasons. If you think what the caller is saying is good news, you arent listening to what he said. He is describing the uk governments policy for keeping trade flowing: by not doing its job and not enforcing its standards.
@@simeonharman4589 You are missing the point. No one is saying anything about it being "Good news."
It is just more proof that the remain media are scaremongering, which we've all known for years. That is sad news, sad in that the media are a bunch of selfish snakes who are willing to sell us all out and destroy our whole system of governance as they continue to engage in Project Fear.
You know, like the sort of thing you are doing right ^here.
@ryan Godden no, they wont, they cant if they want to keep trade flowing. The uk doesn't do proper checks now because EU countries are legally bound to make sure goods sold in the uk are to EU standards. When we leave, they wont, and the uk goverment wont.
@@simeonharman4589 You are the one not listening mate,,, where did the op say anything about it being good news!?!?
@Trevor Clark if goods are being sold out side the single market, they dont have to be made to EU standards so we have no reason to believe they will be
Interesting considering UK law calls for physical checks on food. Also interesting considering not what the government's own documents and predictions are stating. Swiss border has on average 20% of incorrectly filled in paperwork. They've been doing it for years.
At the air cargo firm I used to work for before retiring, heads rolled when the papers weren't filled out correctly and shipments were delayed... Importing or exporting...
Pre Brexit if import export documentation is not correctly filed or administrated that could open up a business to fraud investigations and other investigations.
Should have put that on the side of a big red bus! "we'll survive - they'll be pop-up's" - this whole interview is about making the best of a bad situation. that was called project fear in the past.
Why didn't pro Brexit politicians make this point if it's true?
Because it isn't true.
Each export company requires appropriate paperwork. One lorry driver on James O’Brien programme said he had over a thousand different companies on his lorry, each will need export paperwork. It is not entry to UK that is the problem, it is that we will be a third country and all exports to the EU will have to pass through customs on entering the EU. The caller is correct in that the shortage is more likely on the EU side until they find an EU supplier and we lose our market.
@@toadattoadhall Most people don't appreciate that every consignment requires TWO sets of documentation - an Export Declaration for Customs in the country of departure then a separate Import Declaration for the Customs of country of destination.
The man on the phone run dover Dock he's not a truck driver.
Now we know. Well done that man. All this scaremongering is totally unfounded.
The BBC (Brussels Broadcasting Corporation) will never carry this story!!
You can tell when someone is talking facts. The devil is in the detail.
Yellow hammer Vs this random guy
@@skyblazeeterno 2 things. Firstly this chap is talking about the detail on a specific subject where yellowhammer is far reaching. Secondly yellowhammer is talking about worst case scenario. And really its not that bad.
@@_DaSpookyOne_ It is pretty bad, worst case scenario or not, it is something to be very cautious of.
If this guy is who he says he is he wouldn’t be reduced to low rent radio phone ins, he would be a regular contributor on sky news, FAKE NEWS FROM A FAKE CALLER
@@blabber1975 Believe what you like Peter. I'm not worried about it.
Project fear from the remoaner's squashed!
James O'brien (the non confrontational and ever open to another opinion) will be apoplectic
Seine O'More He will simply ignore it. Facts are like viruses to him.. he avoids them at all costs.
James O'brien will be happy to quote experts who sit in an office doing worst case planning, like the Doctor who claimed peeps will die because of brexit
Just to add, he's one of those people who thinks everything has to be centrally-planned by the state; that makes him incredibly short-sighted and on the wrong side of history.
@@mikenumpty9366 IF there is a shortage of medicines, people will die. You cannot deny this.
@@CiaphasCainHeroOfTheImperium
Why should there be a shortage?
Any urgent meds can be shipped by air as they are today due to any problems by road or rail.
The world is bigger than the EU and trade will continues.
This is absolute gold.
Yellowhammer is the truth and makes sense. 27 countries working together have the advantage.
I work in the export industry. All exporters & freight forwarders shipping from the UK will require additional documentation when exporting from the UK to Europe, in the event of a hard Brexit. I'm more concerned that businesses aren't ready for this additional overhead and cost, than I am about import hold ups. The impact of unforeseen additional export doc requirements is potentially huge.
Any business that is not really is in danger of failing because if they are not ready for such a simple thing the chances are they have lots of other problems in their business already.
Why didn't Iain Dale ask critical questions about what paperwork you'll need and what happens if you don't have it. And it's no difference for the consumer between an unsuccessful export or an unsuccessful import and you have to deal with both.
Listen to it again properly instead of just waiting for what you think is a negative point the man explains it with the 160 custom posts and phone lines around the UK to declare your export papers within 6 months now to answer your question about what will happen if they don't have it sorted by the time they get there is pretty simple no proof no export its no different from you trying to get to another country without a passport. Not rocket science is it?
@@adamnewman6846 That is exactly what creates chaos.
@@peterhausmann8337 every haulage company should have a logistical department which is their job to deal with situations like this so the Joe public delivery drivers don't have to deal with it, each side of the channel has had 3 years to prepare or discuss situations that would arise like this but instead they have put all their energy in trying to stop brexit happening.
Getting back to the importing exporting, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the importing side to check if everything in said truck is correct for entering in the country/bloc but the exporting side because if it was down to the importing side and said products was allowed in with incorrect products then that would be a waste of travel and causing unnecessary backlog from the importers side clogging up the space for our exporting and returning to the EU lorries. Now if the chaos happens no matter what side it comes from it is down to poorly constructed preparations from the chaotic side.
I don't know how prepared the EU are but ours is coming on fine plus there will be a transitional period to make things go as smooth as possible.
Adam Newman listen to it again. He did not say there are six months to declare exports. Exports must be declared before departure. And what about the significant cost of these 160 check points?
He is also wrong about 6 months to declare imports.
@@tainio when you're the expert I'll believe you
Its all about money for you remoaners
This seems very strange to me. I've crossed the Swiss border many times. If you are in a van or lorry you have to stop and go to two different offices with your pre prepared paperwork. Takes half an hour at the least. And that is everyone, not just random people they pick.
O'Brien wouldn't allow his call through.
That’s the thing. He gets his team to select ‘perticular’ calls.
@@Harrysound At least he would ask the guy why the Government says otherwise. And he would not let him get away with something unverifiable. Because let's be clear this is the scariest part of Brexit next to the Irish border and possible violence caused by it.
And here we are in oct 2021 with shortages of everything
I prepared before 29th of March 2019 and believe we left the EU by LAW on that date.
Have done quite well on a small scale since.
good for you
How’s that going for you. The fact that you BELIEVE makes all the difference.
You cannot import & export when you have no international trade agreements and if your relying wto, you won’t be able to sell (export) your goods due to the additional tax’s and you won’t be able to buy (import) anything due to your weak pound and the additional tax’s. Get real, no deal will give you about 70 years of hurt.
Really? Name all the countries where we import nothing at all due to a lack of international trade agreements?
If you leave with no deal, Every country in world worth mentioning. highlights include: 27 european countries, USA, Canada & China.
@@bcpbrennan so, as I said, remind me how many of these countries the EU has a free trade deal with already?
You never mentioned 'Free' in any replies. Anyway, trade deals are not free - they are agreements between countries or unions that allow imports and exports with reduced or no, import and export taxes.
@@bcpbrennannot quite sure where your argument is then...
Great stuff. But why on earth don't the government know this?
Hope Farage gets this bloke on LBC for an interview.
They know mate, that's the sad thing
They do know this, that's the disgusting part!!!
It's not true
Why would he need another interview?
All this crap from Remain MP's is that they want to get their fingers in the EU pie and if we are out that would be more difficult.
Doug Weall and yet the pound has fallen to 1.10 and you are not scared of Brexit? Its unbelievable
@@andreskelly5761 Scared, I am MORE scared for my grandkids if we are still in the EU. Bunch of thieves. I want our country back where we can look after our own, instead of trying to look after the world. We are an island FFS. It's not all about economics.
Doug Weall interesting, all brexiters are complaining about Parliament yet you prefer Parliament to determine your Grandson’s future and not the EU? You don’t mention anything about the pound plummeting, but thats alright for you’re Grand Children too I guess? Next thing you’ll be telling them to buy everything British and never leave the country ey?
@@andreskelly5761 You know as well as I do the pound up or down has nothing to do with the EU. As for Parliament I would love to see the whole lot replaced by MP's that DO care about the people of this country. Our Parliament is almost as undemocratic as the EU in their outlook. As before it's not all about money.
Doug Weall Wow, I don’t mean to be rude but you’re really showing a lack of intelligence from your part. How can you say that Brexit has nothing to do with the pound plummeting? Is it not a coincidence that the pound plummeted weeks after Brexit in 2016? Are you not thinking straight? Investors were scared to invest due to UNCERTAINTY which means people don’t invest into british pound because they are scared about laws, regulations and things changing. This is the main problem: You people have been brainwashed by social media, Nigel Farage etc.
And you don’t even understand economics or how investments work. You’ve clearly demonstrated your knowledge on the subject with your last comment.
If Tony blair is telling us we need to stay in, you know we need to get out.
How are we going to get this message on the TV and mainstream media ?
What message?? Maybe you should write it on a side of a bus, that seems to work well for lies and mis-information.
Imagine the sigh from O’Brien
He’s on the lying side of history
The poor sod wouldn’t have been able to get his point across with O’Briens constant interrupting and arguing...
Have you watched him when he was interviewing JRM? He was squirming, huffing and puffing getting crosser all the time. He couldn’t interview a rag doll. Get him off!
The current CEO of the port of Dover is named Doug. The previous CEO was named Tim. There is no “customs terminal” anywhere in the port’s web site or annual reports. Is this guy legit?
So who is he? Anyone? He 'used to run the port of Dover'. So .... does he have a name? Why is this caller anonymous? I think this is fishy. And I should know. I used to run MI5.
I've been saying for years "Why would we make imports difficult?". The EU can make Exports difficult but its us who decide the checks necessary for imports not the EU.
If this guy is right then why did the government's own research find that there would be all these issues? And why is he too scared to call in to speak to a well researched remainer?
I hope this guy is right for everyone's sake but I suspect that he might not be.
The queues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Anyone seen the lorry ques that was on the news this week? Any thoughts on that?
lol phone between 10 and 1......yeah do it. put this relentless remoaning job bstd out of his misery ffs
James O'Brien is a total bullshitter,spreading the lies
JOB is a complete fuckstain.
@@kristianscherrer6635 Yeah Yeah Yeah so you are an expert then Note this is a leaver who apparently does not know what he is talking about.....even the hard line brexiteers do not seam to agree with this......have you ever done customs and freight paperwork????
Kristian Scherrer j
@@kristianscherrer6635 What lies did he spread?
What a load of cod’s wallop.
This man is an expert on trading across a border within the EU. He has no experience of running a border outside the EU. Next time talk to someone from the border with Ukraine, or Turkey, or Serbia, or.....
Cod's wallop ? 😂
That’s because they’re talking about trading across a border within the EU. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I'm a remainder and was somewhat reassured by this but I've also seen an interview with an operations director in the port of Dover who stated they don't have enough staff to cope with all the additional paperwork!!
The we get Operation Yellowhammer published, which also seems to contradict this caller.
So I listened again and realized that this is only half the story.
He is only referring to lorries ENTERING this country whereby we will waive or defer customs regulations. It doesn't work like that going the other way!
The governments own estimations are that between 50% and 85% of vehicles will not have the correct paperwork to travel from Britain to the EU hence their estimate of perhaps delays of 2 1/2 days at Dover. This would mean possibly 10 or 20 thousand lorries parked in Kent waiting for clearance hence the need for airfields as lorry parks (operation Yellowhammer).
These delays will have a knock on effect for return journeys to the UK, adding to transportation costs, so at best this would only be a very short term solution.
Exactly. This caller seems knowlegable but only talks about one side of a multi-sided problem.
Peter Tollan - also he’s been a port director while we were in the EU. Post brexit will be an entirely different story.
The queues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Thing that should have been asked is how this affect the UK system of stocking as needed. Obviously they can do paper work in advance but the uk works as "as needed" supply system. Also, while you can have paper work in hand you have to have people reviewing , stamping it and doing at least a brief inspection as to make sure it's the correct shipment. That takes time and when thousands of trucks enter the country that is alot of time.
Funny how brexiteers have spent years dismissing the opinions of experts but as soon as 1 random guy who claims he worked in a port they're all for it.
@Hairy Chinese Kid except the majority of experts agree that Brexit will be terrible for the UK. Of course you'll find a few that don't, just like you'll find a few experts that don't accept climate change or evolution.
Its not a claim. Look at his employment history.
What hes saying is correct for goods moved within eu , a no deal will mean ata carnets with customs checks before the carnet is stamped to allow the good to move either in or out of the country and duty's paid if any are due , there will be a check at dover and one at calais and a stamp needed for each,Any goods ie a F1 team that will be returning with same load will need a bond to cover the value of the goods and any difference (ie a tyre missing) will be subject to charges and the holding of the bond till settled , and has Ireland will be a EU border the same for anything moving backwards and forwards across the irish border
what is he talking about? The first import declaration is due at the end of 6 months - what?
I work in this field and I honestly have no idea what this caller is talking about.
TheDispiteous If you work in a field I'm not surprised you have no idea what this caller is talking about.
TheDispiteous REMOANIAC
@@johnrobertson2324 Sure mate, what ever helps you sleep at night
That's because he is wrong. Is he lying?
5% of filled in paperwork goes wrong.. so great you come prepared at the port... but with a wrong paper the amount of time then it will be now an issue.
Thank this man for calling in.
Me too! It’s showing his old boss at Dover that he was right to have sacked him. Clueless idiot
The cues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Well, it's blatantly obvious that shortages will only appear in the UK if the British government deliberately orders the customs inspection teams to hold up imports. If the UK government declares a waiver, or declares that it'd let goods in as before Brexit, then no shortages will arise on the account of Brexit.
If labour ever get into power they probably on purpose would do such things to make it appear that the UK should get back into the EU.
😂😂 I love Iain Dale's "wimp" comment at the end! Great caller!
Sure, it is exactly the type of bureaucrate who says anything is easy, but will stop a lorry with fresh fish for one week at the border because the declaration has an orthographik error. Furthermore, he tells custom agents should do the work without discussing the number of agents available.
So what about people driving a few miles across Northern Ireland and crossing the border multiple times? What if you get stuck behind some idiot who didn't use the pop-up terminals? Etc.
I'm not saying this guy didn't have the answer to these questions, but it's annoying he was just talking to a sycophant and so he didn't get a chance to address it.
it's December 2021 and I wonder how people are feeling about this interview now 🤭🤭🤭
I just checked in to see the comments. It's all gone quiet.
Iain dale blocked me on Twitter when I asked him about this
Anyone? LBC? Anybody? Who is this caller? it matters. I know, I used to be in charge of emergency planning for the district of Croydon.
We all know all the stories of gloom and doom are complete tosh. Just leave! No deal, no strings no going back!
Yellowhammer
@@skyblazeeterno then why are the cronies responsible for this mess so fearful of no deal? Just read operation yellowhammer report. How do you know it's complete tosh? because some unemployed guy who claims he used to work for a port told you? Oh dear.
Yellowhammer will portray the worst case outcome and not the best outcome. Those issues that carry the highest risk will be prioritised to minimise the risk. Nobody is saying there will be absolutely no issues but it is entirely possible that the issues will be little more than a short term inconvenience. Being a member of the EUSSR doesn't guarantee frictionless movement at the borders as particularly the French have a habit of striking, demonstrating and protesting. This too is an annoying inconvenience and is likely to remain a bigger issue long after ours are resolved.Avoiding some temporary disruption at our border isn't worth selling your soul for!
@@tims5268 Spot on.
Yeah, wrong. What Yellowhammer describes is the basic scenario in the case of a No deal Brexit. They just went and changed the title before the release, so that people like you have an easier time to dismiss it.
But why am I even discussing this with someone who uses the word EUSSR? Do you have ANY idea how insulting this is for countries which suffered under the UDSSR?
Just a question. Accepting this true, why Yellowhammer ?
Esp now we know its name got changed from base to reasonable worst case (oxymoron, i believe this is called) operation blackswan is the real worst case scenario
Probably computer generated. Or just a choice from a diminishing stock of possible options. Most, all? of the D-Day landing beaches secret names turned up as clues in the Times crosswords puzzles prior to the invasion. Base and reasonable are not words to focus on, any more than a bird species. The two words to pay attention to are worst case. Anybody who doesn’t make provision for a worst case scenario is not being careful. Anybody who makes the best political scares out of worst case is likely to be unreliable in level headed debate.
Yellow hammer is a "best guess" on the worst scenario. It's not a factual scenario, just one of many. Banks do the same thing all the time, same documents with SCENARIOS
@@Tony211289 what do u think about 'operation black swan'? and kingfisher?
That document was a worst case thing plus they didn’t speak to these experts. You need to first see who wrote it. There’s people that sit and write about no go areas in Uk but in reality it doesn’t exist
Thank you Ian for your questioning - a recorded CD disc of this discussion SHOULD BE SENT TO EVERY UK REMAIN POLITICIAN.
If I was this caller I’d go into hiding. The project fear hit men will be kicking doors open to find him.
I sincerely don't think that all the UK lorries coming into the EU will have the proper documentation . But even if they were, the main bottleneck will be the border with France, because those lorries will have be psychically inspected (and the UK will not be able to do anything to speed up that process). Furthermore, any problem can result in a cascade of delays and the lorries that end up waiting to cross the border will not be able to complete the round trip. And since lorries (or drivers) are not an infinite resource, the UK will probably suffer a lack of food and medicines within a week after a No Deal.
I love the idea of trucks being psychically inspected. Is HMRC going to employ Mystic Meg to train customs officers in extra-sensory perception? Wil they be provided with crystal balls?
@@henrybn14ar hehe i giggled at telepathic inspections
Don't forget to check for the boogie man under your bed.
The TRUTH!!!
How come OUR Mps dont say this????
Maybe it's not the truth?
@@teddansonLA Its the TRUTH and you know it
🤣🤣🤣 thank goodness this guy no longer works in customs. He’s clueless
He didn't say how long each truck will be stopped at the port for to make sure the paper work is correct.
Love.... Voice of sense and reason. Let this man say this in parliment
The queues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Thank you for your infor.
The caller is assuming that all importers and exporters, through Dover, are "border ready".
But it's a false assumption.
So he's talking rubbish, basically.
In any event, I’d rather die on my feet with an empty belly, than die on my knees with a full belly.
Kinda laughing at some of the comments here. Of course goods are going to be checked otherwise you have that pesky thing called smuggling. If everyone was honest and legit then you wouldn’t need a border control at all... but we are not so we do.
It doesn’t matter if you are a Leaver or a Remainer, use an ounce of that grey matter you have upstairs and think about the process critically.
Obviously moving us outside of a trade zone is going to impact Both parties. There will be new paperwork to be done since the 2 trade areas will no longer be using the same system. The amount of paperwork depends on the 2 different bodies. Of course any cost due to the additional paperwork will be passed on to the end purchaser.
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Plus delays plus shipping penalty charges....
Goods are not 100% checked though or we wouldn't have issues where illegal immigrants to the UK hop out of lorries once out of the port...
Yeah, paperwork is one thing but physically checking each truck is another.
@@si_w8201 Yeah that's because of the freedom of movement... Now they just see if the paperwork is in order.
SI_ W no they currently are not all checked because we are in a trading zone and the UK government chooses to check goods from the EU less.They do check most lorries with co2 detectors etc but of course they can be gotten around by people with money to buy the right equipment.
From my understanding each country sets their own inspection quotas. There very probably is a minimum quota of checks set by some international body but I can’t comment on what I don’t know.
People smuggling from outside the EU is a lot more rare simply because of the time they have to spend hidden, but it does happen.
Why didn't Boris mention this had been done, popup parks.
As we (rightly) said all along......Project Fear. And when THAT failed, it was ramped up to Project Paranoia........And still we saw through it....
The queues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
@@deskirby309 check out the huge queues at Dover in 2015....
They weren't caused by brexit (that's before we even voted to leave).
Perhaps you would like to rethink YOUR argument??
Are you a snooker fan, by any chance?
@@nairdamorton5148 Auto correct my friend. The queue in 2015 was because of a french drivers strike. The queues today are because of brexit. My argument is still valid.
@@deskirby309 auto incorrect, obviously!
The queues of today are partly because of French customs officials not turning up, and others just leaving their booths, with no replacements, leaving cars unable to move.....incompetence, or petulance??
Care to explain how today's queues "are because of Brexit"??
@@nairdamorton5148Dodged the point about the french drivers strike I see. 2200000 passengers go through dover every year. Pre Brexit they just pass through customs. (They used to just let British people through when there was a tail back). Post brexit all of them need to be stopped and their passports and documents(for goods) checked. Even if this takes as little as 2 minutes per person. It amounts to 4400000 minutes extra. That is bound to have a knock on effect. Also all the booths on the french side are fully stocked, their work practices havent changed. So blaming them is nonsense. Brexit is the difference. You voted out. You reap what you sow.
Entry Summary Declarations are not the same thing as Customs Declarations. Google it.
I phoned James a few months ago and told him all this in relation to the NI border and the abuse I got on line was huge. The information I got was from a couple of mates who are retired Custom and Excise Officers.
Come on! We’re all ears! Give us the solution to the BORDER!
so an anonymous caller said: the brie will flow in, but the cheddar will get stuck on the way out.
So either way we still get to eat milk that went off.
Shame his name was excluded so we could look him up and check his credentials!
The specifics are important and the BBC has consistently avoided talking about the specific details. Now we know why.
EU says UK get paid too much the workers have to make less like rest of EU! Doesn't matter if cost living is higher doesn't matter ! Same pay across board. No fishing in waters! EU profits in fishing !
🤔??? Huh?
While he is right , with respect he’s wrong . They’re just moving the queues further away from the port and no deal means tariffs of over 25% on British goods entering Europe , to start with ... from my perspective this is all very interesting .
I hope we will have this guy back post Brexit to update people about the situation. And that there will be consequences and accountability.
The cues at dover would suggest he might want to rethink his argument.
Sound is not perfect and my English is a bit weak. What is the caller's main argument?
He hasn’t really got one, he’s just explaining procedure as someone who works in the industry.
@@ukoutdoors3022 i see, like a message or a reply with no real meaning?
Kent Löfgren I don’t think he is making a point, more like providing information.
Can someone send this link to James O'Brien?
With any luck, it'll send his blood pressure stratospheric.
Seen the 30 mile lorry ques at Dover? People did warn about this, but they were dismissed as "project fear"....if you think covid was bad, brexit will make the covid situation seem like a walk in the park. But "they knew what they were voting for "....
As a Remain Voter I am desperately hoping this man is entirely correct; food and medicine scarcity is only going to hurt the most vulnerable in our society. What I don`t understand is: if these mechanism are ready to be deployed (`pop-up` stations in lorry parks in UK and EU to aid compliance even in a No-Deal scenario) and the paperwork requirements have a such a long period of submission to allow transport networks to function properly: why hasn`t this been announced, explained, or indeed celebrated as a political success story for the Conservative Government in terms of preparedness?
funny how this hasn't been reported in the remoaner media (BBC etc)
If what this former Dover port official is saying is correct, there's been plenty of time and opportunity for pro brexiteer reportingto bring this to public attention. Why on earth haven't they done so?
@@Ladynipchick2 Because the media are remain bias...just watching brexitcast after QT on BBC...quite ridiculous
The Remainers are gas lighting you, along with the lame stream biased media...
Would we hear this caller on the Main Stream News ?? Nooo
Aren't facts based on current experience wonderful? Much better than project fear!
it doesn't take away the fact that the goods have to be agreed upon by the EU and if the rules are different they will be held up...not all US and Chinese goods are allowed in based on transport papers..
Which port do you run?
There's always been traffic jams on kent motorways..... it's nothing to do with Brexit. Brexit means Brexit or else
ben31uk
I know they say queues for miles if we leave no deal, as if being in the EU stops that... We've already had massive queues when the French go on strike. Still no food or medicine shortages, and there wasn't 3yrs of planning for that.
True.
Op Stack has happened plenty
@@Robert-cu9bm yes but strikes have never been indefinite and name when the French last striked in that manner?
Is there a citation on this? I really know nothing about import procedures.
James o Brien would have burst a blood vessel on hearing this
UK pole 123 Exactly! That's the thing about politicians. To prevent themselves from exploding, they've cultivated the ability to listen without hearing...
If you'll notice this special trait seem to come with a few drawbacks. They eventually lose the ability to hear what they themselves are saying, but I believe they've made an accomplishment out of a drawback:
They can by now say anything without worrying the least if it makes any sense. 🌀 🙄 😱 ⁉️ 😂😂😂😂
So why are the government not explaining this. It sounds easy
I think I would want to know who this person is, Name would be good. Is he really someone who used to run the customs terminal at the port of dover? Because the data the government have been getting from virtually all shipping ports suggest strong issue with delays.
What he says, we know is true to a degree 'now' because we are IN the EU, but non EU transports are treated very differently. And if we leave the EU, we can lower our standards of checks to speed up lorries coming in, but EU will treat us as a non EU country and their checks at their side will be extremely long.
That's why we might need a long ass queue at our end of the ports. Not for the Lorries coming in, but the lorries waiting in line to go out into or through EU to get to their destination.
And we will very likely have that if we are to do trade with countries past the EU, or countries that we need to access through the EU AAANND because we don't have enough ports space for imports from outside of EU, some will have to drop off at a EU port and travel to our country through land.
gov is false your brainwashed
@@ronaldmcgrory1614 who is what and what?
🙈 oh dear what will the remoaners do now that scaremongering about the ports being a mess in Dover have been quashed.
One random caller Vs multiple people claiming otherwise
@@skyblazeeterno
One person who runs Dover vs people who haven't a clue
Andrew Lawton - - when were they quashed? I must have missed that bit.
Awesome call some reality at last.
Some truth at last. Thank you
And who is this fantastic person , with no name and rank and what was his job and how long . Bulshit mate . 100s who work there say it's nightmare, then we have to believe an unknown caller 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Currently there are import export rules, but with a no deal brexit, current rules and regs are gone. The EU will block imports from the UK and can block exports to the UK. With a deal tho there is a time period of transition. without it, the entire system is full stop and emergency rules have to go into place. Of which, the UK has none. The EU has rules but they are harsh.
Did you not listen to the Operations Director with 35 years experience shipping to and from Europe who was in charge of the customs at Dover and had to implement and be consulted regarding the no deal preparations? He is TALKING about the regs and procedures that will exist after a no deal brexit so I have no idea where you are coming from, sounds like you played the first min of the video and commented.
Perhaps you should link your linkedin profile here so we can check your credentials against this callers own profile. I check his and trust me, unless you are his boss I dont think you know what you are talking about. You must be a CEO?
So he will not call James o'brien, i wonder why?
Because o’brien is a bigot who will just harass him and won’t give him the opportunity to express himself clearly like he was given here.
@@ShellysAshes ive never seen him behave like a bigot, hes a good listener
Well, this sounds good... but I have some questions.
150 pop up customs stops sounds expensive. Arr they going to be forever and if not what happens when they all close? And are we going to have the staff ready for them in just 8 weeks?
I can't quite understand why the border works differently coming in than going out? The customs form being processed late is all well and good, but how do you actually check the goods at a later date? Also, if all the lorries are held up waiting to leave then they wont be available to return with the next delivery on time.