I actually love that real "power" is super undefined in the Nasuverse. Your opening is extremely well put. It's nice to have the IPs where power ultimately decides everything (Dragon Ball) but even nicer to have the undefined ones where there are many factors that decide a match up. It's exhausting having to tell people "no Gilgamesh can't beat everyone, he didn't even beat Artoria" all the time.
This is really the biggest thing I want to push when it comes to power comparisons So many people forget that pure power never dictates a fight. This whole video isn't about "who is strongest" it's about "who has been depicted doing stupidly powerful stuff in canon"
Few things with the "he didn't even beat Artoria" statement. Artoria had Avalon, the strongest defensive Noble Phantasm we've ever seen so far, which removes her from existence to dodge attacks to the point where she just walked through Enuma Elish. I agree with the fact that Gilgamesh can't beat anyone, but in the Nasuverse there is no denying that he is the strongest Servant, Grand Servants are just concepts taking physical form so those hardly count and even have different containers when it comes to that stuff. Fact stands that unless you have Avalon you cannot beat Gilgamesh while he's fighting 100% serious, at least when it comes to servants, as there are other characters in Nasu's writing that can kill him.
I mean sure... it’s all on paper and theoretical though. The point is that “on paper” doesn’t mean much in the Nasuverse. For example, when I used the Artoria example I was referring to the time that she beat him WITHOUT Avalon at the end of the Fate route. Just a straight up sword fight and she won it.
"High-level magic is a battle of concepts. It is not a question of strength, but rather a test of which one possesses the most sound system of rules." - Caren Ortensia That's sums up fights in the Nasuverse pretty well.
@@alifakherddine785 In a way, from what I understand. The end lore suggest that human presence outweighed the Earth's Mystery so it technically overwhelmed and 'killed' it. Hence, came the Land of Steel.
Me watching this video. Reaches #8. Notices the shape seems familiar. Remember Fate GO new opening. The unknown Shadow at Suth America suddenly makes sense. ...oh... we are in danger!
@@Jackhammer892 and that one actually happened so... my friend and I spent about 2 hours in call actually discussing what the hell we are even going to do against ORT. It didn’t end well, we really found next to nothing we could do.
"No! You can't just kill Types! They're supposed to be the strongest existences in the Nasuverse and don't have Earth's concept of death" "Haha Slash Emperor go brrrr"
Pretty sure in notes they said that the ray-A was able to defeat 3 Types, I don't know for sure they "kill" them in the human compression since they would have to destroy their whole physical body. Plus type Venus how was "kill" by Gun god.
@@BddgamesBR The Six Sisters, who were the leaders of the A--Rays, were the ones who managed to destroy Type Pluto and use it to create the Blood Sky. The other Types that were destroyed were Jupiter and Saturn by Ado Edem, and Venus who was shot down by Gun God (that we know about)
I'm a little disappointed that archer emiya isn't on the list as while holding back he nearly killed medea who is supposed to be one of the most powerful magi from the age of gods whose magecraft encroached upon true magic in seconds and is implied to be a better swordsman than artoria and would have had to kill lancer who is his direct counter in a matter of seconds during ataraxia and is considered a worthy fight by heracles who in his strongest form called gilgamesh weak.
Zelretch was able to defeat Crimson Moon even though Crimson Moon is much stronger in terms of brute power. When you have to power over alternate dimensions, there are creative things that you can do. Also, XX's NP is a homage to Ado Edem and the Slash Emperor. There might actually be some relations, especially apparently her weapon has very similar properties to the Slash Emperor.
Got the GOAT in the thumbnail, let’s go. I’m hoping he shows up somehow in Daybit’s Lostbelt, since it’s looking more and more likely ORT is going to make an appearance. Perfect time for Ado Edem to up his Type kills to 3. Saber ST nuke with a passive that gives ADV against Foreigners sounds like a fun niche.
The Notes universe uses a different type of magical energy to fuel the "Knight-Arms" that they use, an energy that comes from a space particle known as "Grains" and is highly poisonous to the human body. *Mash would die if she tries to use that shit.* Really the magic system in Notes is waaay different from the magic system with FATE or Tsukihime or Mahoyo, simply because they don't use mana as the source for magical energy. Grains are essentially space-dust, and is space dust that comes the bodies of heavenly bodies. If we know anything from Type-moon lore, heavenly bodies have their own rules just as Earth has its own rules. Those amalgamation of rules are probably what causes a "poisonous" reaction.
I'm still waiting for Cain as a servant He basically invented killing and the very concept of dying as he prematurely showed what Death actually means That and the 7 fold reflect
@@anadaere6861 Most likely Original bullet not affect true magic at all because OB is just destroy magical circuit of mage.But true magic it not rely on circuit but natural talent alone
@@alexsommers3535 the black barrel is only at its strongest when used against a being without a normal natural lifespan, thats why it works so well against types
If Lucius's abilities are as legitimate as they are in Protoype, his swordsmanship puts Nero and Caesar to shame. Maxwell's Demon would be nearly unstoppable in a situation like Grand Order, where characters often travel to times before the theory was disproven. It'd be curious to see how he interacts with Lostbelts as they are all in the modern era, but have varying levels of technological and scientific advancement. Still praying for an ORT sighting/fight in the final Lostbelt. tldr Slash Emperor is functionally Ea, Vasavi Shakti, Mahapralaya, and every other top of the top tier Noble Phantasm put together.
Willy Wonka is slept on because Touko was able to blitz him before he could start spamming specials, it's unfortunate that we didn't get to see him doing any super cool stuff in his Fate/Zero anime cameo.
When you realize we're most likely going to face ORT in LB7, either as him or as a new vessel for the Alien God.... yeah, we're so fucked you can't even imagine
@@nepspartan-7597 the one we have is just a replica of black barrel. The black barrel gun god used was the original and extremely effective in the world of Notes specifically because the level of ether in the world is super-saturated, and the Aristotles all have extremely high levels of it within them, making it the perfect tool for the setting where it's considered to be a literal "God-killer", but outside of Notes it's primarily just an anti-immortal gun. The replica has a similar and safer performance, but can't reach the full potential of the actual Black Barrel in heavy-ether enviroments.
One that is interesting to mention is Romulus (Not the Grand Lancer version), who is one of the stated Top Servants while being a 3 star in FGO. His spear is stated to be the opposite of Rhongominiad, and being the Spear of Beginning.
Just a few minor things about XX -- she casually mastered a skill that allows her to go outside the flow of time to put on her armor, and her NP, Etherspace, But Lawful is stated to be able to destroy planets with relative ease. Also, while Detective Intuition E is played off for jokes, it's basically the same thing as Sherlock's Elementary, My Dear, meaning that it sort of fucks with reality. So, frankly, MHXX is not "potentially" terrifying, she's legit crazy strong.
14:19 let's see how many people are going to be able to forget about him after a traumatic fight in LB7. P.S: There is also MHXA with her candy version of the Infinity Gauntlet.
Thats literally the very fist video on YT that mentioned Lucius in any way. I have only read like on page of him, but am a huge fan already. The guy really gives the impression of a battle junkie Gilgamesh version, while his appearance makes you think of a grim commander end boss. The day he is introduced to FGO will be a good day. A very good day.
On the topic of #3, Lucius Tiberius, I reread his appearance in fragments recently. He doesn't fight Arthur to a stand still. He beats Arthur within an inch of his life. Arthur is constantly on the backfoot for a majority of their very brief sword to sword scuffle, with Arthur even noting that if Lucius blows were causing his armor to MELT just from the strength of their sword clash. Lucius was also capable of generating lightning, and regrew limbs just as quickly as they were severed or burned away. And that was when Arthur got in a lucky counter. Otherwise most of the hits went to Lucius kicking Arthur around to the point where within a short time, Lucius had discovered a way to completely counter Arthur's swordplay. Only by using Excalibur was Arthur able to defeat Lucius because a Holy Sword will always defeat a demonic sword. But just as terrifying as Lucius was his army. Composed of giants and sorcerers from India. His mystics could warp space, literally twisting people apart. The man assembled the both continents of Europe and Asia as soldiers for his army. Lucius Tiberius is a terrifying foe from Fragments.
I've almost completely forgot about Ado Edem and Slash Emperor! Along with that, Alba and Toukos fight in Paradox Spiral was one of my favorite fights in the Kara No Kyoukai series. And Hideyoshi would be awesome to see in F/GO one day!
About Ado Edem, I think Slash Emporers' ability to glimpse at the "Truth" won't be quite as effective against non TYPES. My theory is that since the TYPES aren't supposed to exist on earth it rectifies that and makes it so that they don't exist on earth.
Another thing about Ado Edam. His sword was said to be not that good against A-Rays. Because he was involve in the war, it is likely referring to the combat focused A-Rays. The ones that are directly compared to a walking nuclear bomb.
Love this video didn’t know about some of these myself. And we might finally get to see what Satsuki can do with the tsukihime remake coming out would also love to see a part 2 as there are still a lot of underrated op characters e.g. the April witch, Kanata Ishizue and kiri Nanaya just to name a few. Also loved what you said at the beginning about power not just being the only deciding factor in a fight this is one of the reasons I absolutely love the Nasuverse and type moon in general. Keep up the good work man
iv always loved TYPEs, they are impossible to kill unless you can destory the world. Even if you do manage to kill them, they come back, and on the offchance u can completely destroy one, whose to say the planet/star they are won't just make a new one since only Earth has problems making unltimate ones lmao
@@mnf2091 i think they all do, they seem to be how planets observe the world around themselves, course i doubt every star in the sky is trying to kill humans.humanity vs the solar system is already unwinnable, anymore is overkill
@@APrinnyDood Warhammer 40k Emperium Already Conquer 1million Worlds across the Galaxy.. Fighting OP aliens and Hell itself with attrition. Humanity in Nasuverse is so weak lol.
"Well with all that being said, here we are at the end of the list. Hopefully you've come to appreciate these niche, unique, or straight up obscure abilities that some of these characters have." TL;DR Power levels in Type-moon just *hits different*, it's not like in Dragon Ball where there is only one road to gaining more power, and is instead so amazingly broad, thought provoking and awe-inspiring to learn about. But it can get so fucking overpowered in specific circumstances that it just becomes a love-hate relationship. L;R It's because I understand everything and how they work that I shall forever remain *disgusted* with how broken these characters are. It doesn't help that so many character in the nasuverse are so situationally effective in a specific circumstance that it becomes outright ridiculous. I'm sorry it might seem like a downright crime to say this but Servants are the most balanced characters that I know in fate, everything outside of that is *fucking nuts.* I can deal with Aoko Aozaki, for being a magus with subpar magic circuits and magic circuit quality, y'know, *turning it to a fucking engine that generates magical energy far greater than a prodigy like Touko.* But cutting an Ultimate Being of Jupiter in half? It's the way Nasu writes his scenes man, his characters being super effective in a specific scene is just the ultimate flex on anything that I have ever seen. Let's also talk about my boy Shizuki from Mahoyo, who fucking two-shots an *Elemental* who took on the sturdy form of a *Werewolf* that can achieve speeds fast enough to reach *Godspeed* which is the very same term Shirou used to refer *BERSERKER'S* speed! That's not the crazy part, Shizuki took on the Elemental on a forward charge like Shirou, and utterly destroys the Elemental's heart. And to clarify, TRUE ANCESTORS are classified in the same rank as Elementals, if you're not familiar with what True ancestors are then Arcuied is a phenomenal example, that and, Divine-Spirits are also classified as Elementals. Shizuki was trained with the same assassin group as Souichirou was, and we've seen what Souichirou can do against Saber with Caster's enhancement (Which I am now convinced does not actually boost his strength, and allows him to damage caster, IT HAS TO BE HIS OWN STRENGTH, SHIZUKI TWO SHOTTED AN ELEMENTAL!) To be frank Shizuki would probably not win against Servants or any of the aforementioned True Ancestors or any other elemental, but the situation set it up to where Shizuki was able to power-flex his absolute strength (Which apparently was far from his peak). This just really goes to show that if you let your guard down, you can get decked on by even the more underpowered parts of the Type-moon character roster. Or just straight up get countered by highly specific abilities that are written in such a way that's just, fucking amazing.
Came in expecting sacchin. was not dissapointed. btw, where can one read what happens after tsukihime? I know a summary of it exists somewhere, but I have yet to find it
@@Mayke0077 Slash Emperor is literally part of Ado Edem's body, there's no reason to measure his power level without it, which is what I did. Against a human sized opponent Slash Emperor doesn't grow to any impressive size and thus doesn't absorb vast quantities of Grain, which didn't make him stand out in the war against the Hundred A-Rays. In that circumstance his power only equals that of the A-Rays themselves, which is "just" nuclear bomb level. That makes him stronger than a lot of Servants, but not all of them. Only against gigantic opponents like Surtr, Gugalanna, Sefar, Lostbelt Ivan and others would he be able to perform as he well as he does against the Ultimate Ones.
@@RarutoUchiha2 and that's also assuming in a situation where he's somehow fighting any of those characters, that there's any grain to absorb to begin with
@@RarutoUchiha2 Doesn't matter, that's the same thing I was trying to say. Keep in mind that each Ether Liners possess different Demonic Swords, we still don't know the power level of the other ones as well for their names, hence why I've preferred to refer Slash Emperor rather than Ado Edem.
not having death means that even after completely annihilating, types can easily come back into existance in many different ways because they are the will of their respective planet itself. itf you want to truly annihilate them existance, you had to destroy planet itself which is impossible. it means that they are even more powerful than ado edem.
Then why didn't Type Jupiter and Type Pluto return to Earth when they died? Wouldn't Type Saturn bring them over during their final siege to kill the A-Rays and Liners?
I still don't understand why the hell did Nasu retcon ORT from being Type:Mercury to Type:Oorth. Well, at least it was a total beast in the Lost Belt and proved how broken the Servant System is and how you just need to be a good (or not) fanfic writer to make anything broken as fuck. I'm hopeful that Ado Edem may still appear on this Alien God arc. If ORT appeared, I guess he could too or even the true Black Barrel.
Why no Inorai ;-; Head of one of the top 3 families and the mentor the Touko, Alba and Araya trio. Super strong enough to the point Touko wouldn't dare oppose her unless she was in a do or die situation. Her magic is basically like Gaara. smh 0/10 video jk As for people wondering why Alba didn't show much during KnK, its mostly cause while he is super smart and efficient when getting a job done, whenever ANYTHING involving Touko somehow is near or he finds hints of it, his rationality, choice of actions and intelligence in general takes a -100. The man is too obsessed with Touko to think straight. Inferiority complex be a bitch.
Hideyoshi is perfect example of Nobunaga not giving a fuck about your upbringing and see the potential in people. Yeah, he may have killed thousands of innocents during his campaign to unify Japan, but I have to give credits where credits is due… and don’t get me started on Yasuke which Nobunaga made into his own bodyguard and retainer.
People downplay DEATH. He made a person on the level of the Burial Agency face utter defeat. He's the most talented member of the strongest clan of demon hunters with a body specializing in killing. He was hyped up as being as equally absurd as his eyes which are considered the rarest and most horrible mutation in human history. Arc relates that his killing of her was so perfect that it would have been a peerless work of art had she been able to capture it on canvas, Aoko confirms he's the most skilled of killers in the world, Tatari passes up his chance to take the executioner of the TA as his vessel in favor of Nanaya and Archetype even compares King Hassan the original Assassin to Shiki. Says it all really. Nanaya without Mystic Eyes, weakened and fading away was able to rip out Kouma's throat. Now in Remake we find out that his body is actually unique because of the breeding. He has a different bone structure and is built for explosive bursts of speed which explains the ridiculous Nanaya techniques. I think his skill and physicality is definitely on another level compared to KnK Shiki but it's also hard to really even say his eyes are weaker when he's regarded to be the one who is specialized for killing living things and his Remake boosts like killing Roa's legs along with the corridor and a vampires principle which is supposedly incomprehensible to human beings and... is basically something like an Origin almost? It was some sort of light that shouldn't be visible in the first place.
But aren't Foreigners from either outside the planet or have powers from beings outside earth? Ado's purely from earth. He's better off as Grand Saber.
hey have you made a video about velber? or the white titan? you know...that thing from space that bitch made the greek gods and everyone was like "welp..."
@@glydoughnut9432 It's accurate enough from experience, and no I haven't read Garden of Avalon. I need to get on that No need to glorify me, I see every comment. I like to think of myself as just another equal member in the fandom with editing software lol
@@glydoughnut9432 came from the future and to be honest he doesn’t disappoint he destroyed Lb6 and and could destroy PHH and probably the entire planet
What about pale rider of fate strange fake?, he is quite underrated for people misunderstood that his abilities is only about deseases where in fact its just small part of his kit and he's way more terrifying, can be easily be on top of the strongest servants
@@phoenyxhydra8020 Grands are not classified on sheer power but rather certain aspects. Plus Ado Edem as an individual may not have as much of an impact on the human order.
@@phoenyxhydra8020 Probably not. Ado only really counters giant enemies. Against an enemy his size, he's not that powerful since Slash Emperor wouldn't be that big
@@civicrider5556 Its in her Bond level 4 bio. She has the Infinity Black Bean Paste, made of Desire (Soul), Sugar (Power), Sales Location (Space), Cost Price (Reality), Production (Time), and Demand (Mind). It claims she gets infinte power from this but she's clueless about it. I'm hoping when Mysterious Heroine Alter XX comes she's the Avenger Artoria and she a Thanos parody with the Infinity Black Bean Paste.
What about the umbral star? That thing eats planets. Or chaos from lostbelt 5 that was planning on eating 40% of earth? Though that last one is a bit new.
If the most dangerous thing is that weapon, say can EMIYA who got no constraint of Gaia and infinite mana from Alaya able to kill types, well maybe got to trace Rhogominiyad L/R or Slash Emperor
@@amari7782 yeah you're right, our boy EMIYA too incapable copy something like divine construct. If only Nasu get to made a supreme EMIYA or something who could copy any weapon without limit
It has never been said that Mordred gave Florent to Lucius in Fate. Hell, it has been hinted that the sword was already a possesion of Rome due to having the divine protection of a roman goddess.
I'd like to give a honorable mention to Vanilla Artoria, the amount of downplay she suffers is insane, I understand that she actually never uses her full power properly but c'mon, the moment she does she actually beats Full Power serious Gil lol.
There’s also just Excalibur itself, it, by itself, was able to destroy the White Titan; a being that wiped out most of Mankind’s earliest civilisations, including the true bodies of the 12 Machine Gods(also known as the 12 Olympic Gods)
@@kaled20001 lol. Gilgamesh went all out plenty of times. Whenever he uses Ea he is going all out because its a stated fact that only Enuma Elish At full power can counter Artoria's Excalibur.
there are some hints that ORT will appear in FGO's lostbelt 7 so one of your wishes will be granted (maybe, idk) oh fuck Ado Edem is here, fucking Notes is here
MHXX is much more powerful. XX can explode a planet, while the destruction from the battles of the Ultimate Ones and Ado Edem have only been burning or tearing apart a continent.
So I LOVE the idea that TYPEs could make it in but we'd first have to have reason on maybe something to really NERF em. Like Arcueid Could give she just like a Piece of Type moon like .0000001% of it.
Another mysterious character for me is Altrouge Brunestud there’s not much detail(at least from what i’ve read) on what her full potential is, especially after she stole Arcueid’s power(hair). She even just owns Cath Palug from another reality(a beast class in the grand order reality) as a pet. I mean if there’s any proof of her full potential, please let me know/educate me 😅
That’s pretty much spot on. In FGO, Merlin found Fou (Cath Palug) and managed to tame him, turning him into a harmless pet, in the Tsukihime verse, Altrouge managed to find Cath Palug, and instead of taming him, she trained him into becoming the most ruthless murderer of primates in the Nasuverse, a far better killer than Angra Mainyu and on par if not a better killer than Type Mercury
@@muhammadhazmi3201 he could have but he let fujimara ritsuka "kill" the immortal but he also showed his overpowered-ness by killing beeings that was hard to kill even for a godess
EA is the best with Gil Genesis code, its firepower is not the strongest, but its ability to erase is absolute, without its genesis code, in fsf if Enkidu was not helped by Gaia, Gilgamesh would have erased all creation, so with its Genesis code, which allows it to have its original strength and unlimited statistics it is at the cheating stage , just below Akasha.
Depletion Garden only works on mana specifically, not all kinds of magical energy. So someone like Rin who mostly uses her own od and magical energy stored in jewels to fight, there would be little difference for her inside the Reality Marble. As far as the Satsujinki vs Ryougi comparison goes, most people only use Tohno as he's depicted in Tsukihime and Melty Blood. In the last in particular, Tohno, Akiha and Sion were on the losing side of a fight against Ciel alone. And the only feats we have of Satsujinki in Prelude and Talk are him killing Louvre by surprise via blitz, a feat not dissimilar from what he has done against Nrvnqsr (Louvre being much slower than Chaos), and defeating without killing or even injuring a mage swordsman who's able to stand her ground against members of the Burial Agency. Since when have no idea how their fight went out, it's fair to assume it was mostly centered around compatibility, something like Shiki killing all of the spells and weapons of Forte like Nasu said he would do in a hypothetical fight against Shirou, or as he did to Roa's lightning spells in the manga. All of this considered and he's at most equal to Ryougi without taking some Void reality fuckery into account. As for what you said about Slash Emperor, most of it is wrong. It is simply a sword that grows to match the opponent's size, absorbing vast quantities of Grain to do so. Absorbing Grain is what makes the A-Rays and Ether Liners so strong, so more quantities of it would naturally translate into more power. A-Ray and Ether Liners being equal, against human sized opponents Slash Emperor did not make Ado Edem stand out much in the war against the A-Rays, something that wouldn't have been the case if he had the ability to "pierce any kind of armor and kill any existence" ¬_¬ It's simply a big ass sword with lots of destructive power, exactly the kind of thing that's necessary to destroy the Ultimate Ones physically, which is exactly the thing Nasu says can be done to defeat them. Simply put, against an opponent between 1.6~2 meters, Slash Emperor would have power equalling a nuclear bomb. The smallest Ultimate One it defeated, Type:Saturn is 3000 meters in size. So that's about a 600 increase from a base of nuclear bomb level power.
I don't have a solid source on Depletion Garden with only mana, but there's a Japanese video that has stated Satsuki can use this to counter servants. In Prelude, we did see the "fight" between DEATH and Louvre, however it was mostly just DEATH crawling into the mansion through the window and instantly killing Louvre and his children without any of them noticing him. Shiki's strength lies in his inhuman levels of speed and Nanaya training. Also what I've stated about Slash Emperor is mostly building on what it's been stated and depicted. Read Character Material carefully, the whole reason this thing came into light is because those were the words used, and because the illustration clearly has the area around the sword be surrounded in blue air. It's at least a very common theory that the two things are linked.
@ExtremeSManpig Uh not really? Male shiki eyes if i remember correctly are stated way better than KnK one. Female Shiki is supposed to have EX level sure, but Tsukihime Shiki can see the lines of death even on objects. Not only living/humanoid or whatever creatures but basically everything and he does that in VN even when he is powercreeped.
They aren't. Those aspects are mainly because Tohno uses them and his eyes are quite literally enroaching on his mind. They work different fundamentally to Ryougi's, and have far more drawbacks which results in his anemia and short lifespan. Ryougi not only does not have these demerits, but she can also use her eyes to cut things like concepts and destiny, as her eyes have a direct connection to the route. As quoted from the Tsukihime Dokuhon Plus Period Book, it directly states "Ryougi can be said she is several ranks higher than Tohno Shiki"
@@EbullientSMP Didnt know that thought, thanks for correcting my mistake. Still Satsuki have a little slight change of being a pseudo servant to fgo due to the fact tsukihime gets remake. I really doubt FGO would overlook this possibility as some kind of event. And lets be honest. She was one of the reasons people were aching for Tsukihime remake as she was told to be romancable character in remake. Shiki woudnt fit probadly due to having to many varations. And probadly i personally would prefer Nanaya version as pseudo servant. Tohno wont fit without addind Arcueid
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Everybody gangsta until a man starts eating planets to fuel his sword.
I actually love that real "power" is super undefined in the Nasuverse. Your opening is extremely well put. It's nice to have the IPs where power ultimately decides everything (Dragon Ball) but even nicer to have the undefined ones where there are many factors that decide a match up. It's exhausting having to tell people "no Gilgamesh can't beat everyone, he didn't even beat Artoria" all the time.
This is really the biggest thing I want to push when it comes to power comparisons
So many people forget that pure power never dictates a fight. This whole video isn't about "who is strongest" it's about "who has been depicted doing stupidly powerful stuff in canon"
Yeah we all know learning with manga gudako is the most powerful
Few things with the "he didn't even beat Artoria" statement. Artoria had Avalon, the strongest defensive Noble Phantasm we've ever seen so far, which removes her from existence to dodge attacks to the point where she just walked through Enuma Elish. I agree with the fact that Gilgamesh can't beat anyone, but in the Nasuverse there is no denying that he is the strongest Servant, Grand Servants are just concepts taking physical form so those hardly count and even have different containers when it comes to that stuff. Fact stands that unless you have Avalon you cannot beat Gilgamesh while he's fighting 100% serious, at least when it comes to servants, as there are other characters in Nasu's writing that can kill him.
I mean sure... it’s all on paper and theoretical though. The point is that “on paper” doesn’t mean much in the Nasuverse. For example, when I used the Artoria example I was referring to the time that she beat him WITHOUT Avalon at the end of the Fate route. Just a straight up sword fight and she won it.
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Sure, but that was after Gil's strongest attack worthless.
"High-level magic is a battle of concepts. It is not a question of strength, but rather a test of which one possesses the most sound system of rules." - Caren Ortensia
That's sums up fights in the Nasuverse pretty well.
Doest that mean technology is stronger?
@@alifakherddine785 have you seen what the machine gods can do? They’re OP
naw strongest is I don't believe in anything that voids all concepts lol or just punch harder
@@alifakherddine785 In a way, from what I understand. The end lore suggest that human presence outweighed the Earth's Mystery so it technically overwhelmed and 'killed' it. Hence, came the Land of Steel.
Just recently read Notes.
Ado Edem is fucking insane for how he killed both Type Jupiter and Saturn. I need more of this man
Gilgamesh: Hah, mongrel. My cherished EA can distort space and time
Ado Edem: hold my Slash Emperor
They are very similar weapons
Both have the same effect “showing the truth of he world”
Slash Emperor relies on the size of its opponents, if it's at least Ado's size or twice as big as him then the weapon is useless
@@sk_hermit1809 He can make slash emperor become as big as gilgamesh's ego
13:06 Itsy bitsy spider went to America. And many years later... PROCEEDED TO WIPE OUT ALMOST ALL OF EARTH'S POPULATION
16:36 HOLY SHIT ITS ADO EDEM!!!
In LB7, that spider awake too early.
@@charlestonho6733 fuck please no, how we are supposed to kill a type?!
@@end8960 the same way we killed goetia
@@phoenyxhydra8020 sacrificing a doctor? NOT AGAIN
"Raw power is irrelevant"
Aoko aozaki: use gun, and if that don't work, use more gun
Me watching this video.
Reaches #8.
Notices the shape seems familiar.
Remember Fate GO new opening.
The unknown Shadow at Suth America suddenly makes sense.
...oh... we are in danger!
OH FUCK! That is actually a good point, that is scarier than the thought of the Dragon Albion being in the British Lostbelt
@@Jackhammer892 and that one actually happened so... my friend and I spent about 2 hours in call actually discussing what the hell we are even going to do against ORT. It didn’t end well, we really found next to nothing we could do.
@@Jackhammer892 That thought of yours was scary it happened
@@Blaze-nm1uh I believe we have the Black Barrel Replica back, which can one-shot Types, if it's on par with it's original counterpart.
I swear if my boy Ado Edem doesnt arrive in fgo to clap alien god and ORT's cheeks ill be pissed he deserves more screentime
He probably won’t cuz he existed after the counter force
I have to agree with the person above me.
@@amari7782 But if Gaia died, Alaya died too?
@@ajimit8669 most likely
Alaya still live because there is still gun god as the last human
"No! You can't just kill Types! They're supposed to be the strongest existences in the Nasuverse and don't have Earth's concept of death"
"Haha Slash Emperor go brrrr"
Pretty sure in notes they said that the ray-A was able to defeat 3 Types, I don't know for sure they "kill" them in the human compression since they would have to destroy their whole physical body. Plus type Venus how was "kill" by Gun god.
@@BddgamesBR The Six Sisters, who were the leaders of the A--Rays, were the ones who managed to destroy Type Pluto and use it to create the Blood Sky. The other Types that were destroyed were Jupiter and Saturn by Ado Edem, and Venus who was shot down by Gun God (that we know about)
Did any of the types actually get permanently put down? Don't they just regenerate back on their planets?
In the Babylon Singularity, Tiamat lacked the concept of death until First Hassan gave her one.
Finally someone know this
This thing was LITERALLY 2 years in the making
Edit, 2 years later: I told you so.
Now every FGO fan is going to know how powerful ORT once they reach Lostbelt 7
@@charlestonho6733 I hope he is going to be the lostbelt's king, I can't wait.
@@loganroy24 I dont think that ORT , a alien be Lostbelt king. i think Lostbelt king join us to fight ORT.
I'm a little disappointed that archer emiya isn't on the list as while holding back he nearly killed medea who is supposed to be one of the most powerful magi from the age of gods whose magecraft encroached upon true magic in seconds and is implied to be a better swordsman than artoria and would have had to kill lancer who is his direct counter in a matter of seconds during ataraxia and is considered a worthy fight by heracles who in his strongest form called gilgamesh weak.
@@dalekcaan8495 But EMIYA is not obscure at all, almost every fan knows his abilities and how strong he is
Zelretch was able to defeat Crimson Moon even though Crimson Moon is much stronger in terms of brute power. When you have to power over alternate dimensions, there are creative things that you can do.
Also, XX's NP is a homage to Ado Edem and the Slash Emperor. There might actually be some relations, especially apparently her weapon has very similar properties to the Slash Emperor.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
what if, MHXX might get a big role in LB7, i didnt quite notice this
Well didn't zel get a lot of help from other beings and moon was underestimating them
Nasu stated that Type-Moon just didn’t give a fuck and was underestimating the hell out of Zel and was more focused on his true magic
Some of you doesn’t know how Ado Edem was able to wield or use Slash Emperor properly. MHXX is the perfect sample.
Got the GOAT in the thumbnail, let’s go. I’m hoping he shows up somehow in Daybit’s Lostbelt, since it’s looking more and more likely ORT is going to make an appearance. Perfect time for Ado Edem to up his Type kills to 3. Saber ST nuke with a passive that gives ADV against Foreigners sounds like a fun niche.
what does 'ADV' mean?
@@phoenyxhydra8020 advantage/ damage bonus
I would think ados NP would also give a buff for 'massive' enimies like giants
I think MAshu will get Slash Emperor
@@kierafurneaux3172 nice joke made me laugh 😊
LB7: Mashu Receives Slash Emperor
The Notes universe uses a different type of magical energy to fuel the "Knight-Arms" that they use, an energy that comes from a space particle known as "Grains" and is highly poisonous to the human body.
*Mash would die if she tries to use that shit.*
Really the magic system in Notes is waaay different from the magic system with FATE or Tsukihime or Mahoyo, simply because they don't use mana as the source for magical energy. Grains are essentially space-dust, and is space dust that comes the bodies of heavenly bodies.
If we know anything from Type-moon lore, heavenly bodies have their own rules just as Earth has its own rules. Those amalgamation of rules are probably what causes a "poisonous" reaction.
Mashu DID die at the end of part one...
@@kierafurneaux3172 // *Guess we won't want that to happen again...*
@@horence2360 Well mahoyo have some decent magus
They already replaced her shield with a type killing gun, why not her sword.
I'm still waiting for Cain as a servant
He basically invented killing and the very concept of dying as he prematurely showed what Death actually means
That and the 7 fold reflect
I thought he would be the Grand Assassin, but then Gramps showed up.
who is 'cain'
@@phoenyxhydra8020 the first murderer in the bible
Technically the first Assassin since he killed Abel in secret and tried to dismiss it
@@anadaere6861 honestly grand berserker would do just fine but then there's Samson
It’s still a possibility.
Kiritsugu: I'm basically the grim reaper for magus as I destroy crests... I basically destroy your entire efforts in your entire lifeline
Anadaere Even worse, Kiritsugu can destroy the entire clans efforts
@@bruceasiandude8979 the question though is how does his OB affect True Magic? Does it destroy it or does it make weaker
@@anadaere6861 Most likely Original bullet not affect true magic at all because OB is just destroy magical circuit of mage.But true magic it not rely on circuit but natural talent alone
@@Jame-zz4tu And Black Barrel?
@@alexsommers3535 the black barrel is only at its strongest when used against a being without a normal natural lifespan, thats why it works so well against types
If Lucius's abilities are as legitimate as they are in Protoype, his swordsmanship puts Nero and Caesar to shame.
Maxwell's Demon would be nearly unstoppable in a situation like Grand Order, where characters often travel to times before the theory was disproven. It'd be curious to see how he interacts with Lostbelts as they are all in the modern era, but have varying levels of technological and scientific advancement.
Still praying for an ORT sighting/fight in the final Lostbelt.
tldr Slash Emperor is functionally Ea, Vasavi Shakti, Mahapralaya, and every other top of the top tier Noble Phantasm put together.
Nero literally forced herself to be a saber her primary classes are rider and caster so her swordsmanship doesn’t set a high bar neither does ceasar.
you got your wish buddy lol
Willy Wonka is slept on because Touko was able to blitz him before he could start spamming specials, it's unfortunate that we didn't get to see him doing any super cool stuff in his Fate/Zero anime cameo.
When you realize we're most likely going to face ORT in LB7, either as him or as a new vessel for the Alien God....
yeah, we're so fucked you can't even imagine
Simon99 5 break bars, let’s fucking go
If Ado Edem appears we have a fighting chance
@@JazzzxD420 If we have the command seals, black barrel can kill Ort too, unless the one we have is severely weakened compared to the original.
@@nepspartan-7597 the one we have is just a replica of black barrel. The black barrel gun god used was the original and extremely effective in the world of Notes specifically because the level of ether in the world is super-saturated, and the Aristotles all have extremely high levels of it within them, making it the perfect tool for the setting where it's considered to be a literal "God-killer", but outside of Notes it's primarily just an anti-immortal gun. The replica has a similar and safer performance, but can't reach the full potential of the actual Black Barrel in heavy-ether enviroments.
@@afggetlost1342 ah so basically we’re done for
This is literally every power scalers nightmare.
At least ORT hasn't shown up yet.
*its shadow over Daybit* sigh... we're freaking dead.
@K.O.G.Fanstarks1610 And then the Foreign God decided to plant a universe-projecting tree there.
ORT embodies everything you know about optional superboss in RPG
if you are underpowered and lose, it is your fault for seeking him
One that is interesting to mention is Romulus (Not the Grand Lancer version), who is one of the stated Top Servants while being a 3 star in FGO. His spear is stated to be the opposite of Rhongominiad, and being the Spear of Beginning.
Just a few minor things about XX -- she casually mastered a skill that allows her to go outside the flow of time to put on her armor, and her NP, Etherspace, But Lawful is stated to be able to destroy planets with relative ease. Also, while Detective Intuition E is played off for jokes, it's basically the same thing as Sherlock's Elementary, My Dear, meaning that it sort of fucks with reality.
So, frankly, MHXX is not "potentially" terrifying, she's legit crazy strong.
Imagine if Ado Edem got summoned as a servant to fight the Type:Oort Cloud
Imagine how confused he would be at chaldea
14:19 let's see how many people are going to be able to forget about him after a traumatic fight in LB7.
P.S: There is also MHXA with her candy version of the Infinity Gauntlet.
Well, this is a fine wine
@@abeevergreen4947 And he was a significantly weaker version and still almost killed us despite having probably the best allies to combat him.
Kinda puts into perspective how powerful Balor's eyes would have been in comparison to Tohno and Ryougi.
Basically "Have you died? Can you die? Is there any possible way for you to die? If you answer yes, you die"
Fun Fact: Slash Emperor is essential the same type of weapon as Ea since both are constructs that show the "Truth" of the world.
Thats literally the very fist video on YT that mentioned Lucius in any way. I have only read like on page of him, but am a huge fan already. The guy really gives the impression of a battle junkie Gilgamesh version, while his appearance makes you think of a grim commander end boss. The day he is introduced to FGO will be a good day. A very good day.
On the topic of #3, Lucius Tiberius, I reread his appearance in fragments recently. He doesn't fight Arthur to a stand still. He beats Arthur within an inch of his life. Arthur is constantly on the backfoot for a majority of their very brief sword to sword scuffle, with Arthur even noting that if Lucius blows were causing his armor to MELT just from the strength of their sword clash. Lucius was also capable of generating lightning, and regrew limbs just as quickly as they were severed or burned away. And that was when Arthur got in a lucky counter. Otherwise most of the hits went to Lucius kicking Arthur around to the point where within a short time, Lucius had discovered a way to completely counter Arthur's swordplay.
Only by using Excalibur was Arthur able to defeat Lucius because a Holy Sword will always defeat a demonic sword.
But just as terrifying as Lucius was his army. Composed of giants and sorcerers from India. His mystics could warp space, literally twisting people apart. The man assembled the both continents of Europe and Asia as soldiers for his army.
Lucius Tiberius is a terrifying foe from Fragments.
And somehow he's still not summonable
That's crazy to me
I've almost completely forgot about Ado Edem and Slash Emperor! Along with that, Alba and Toukos fight in Paradox Spiral was one of my favorite fights in the Kara No Kyoukai series. And Hideyoshi would be awesome to see in F/GO one day!
4* welfare saber hideyoshi would be cool
Everyone is a gangsta until Ado Edem starts one shotting Types
About Ado Edem, I think Slash Emporers' ability to glimpse at the "Truth" won't be quite as effective against non TYPES. My theory is that since the TYPES aren't supposed to exist on earth it rectifies that and makes it so that they don't exist on earth.
Boy, can't wait to see the fate/ redline version of majin saber vs Maxwell's demon
Another thing about Ado Edam. His sword was said to be not that good against A-Rays. Because he was involve in the war, it is likely referring to the combat focused A-Rays. The ones that are directly compared to a walking nuclear bomb.
Excellent choice in using After Image for the Notes characters. There's some great guitar and sound effect work in that album.
Love this video didn’t know about some of these myself. And we might finally get to see what Satsuki can do with the tsukihime remake coming out would also love to see a part 2 as there are still a lot of underrated op characters e.g. the April witch, Kanata Ishizue and kiri Nanaya just to name a few. Also loved what you said at the beginning about power not just being the only deciding factor in a fight this is one of the reasons I absolutely love the Nasuverse and type moon in general. Keep up the good work man
Has a giant sword that can kill anything
Me: thinking about guts from berserk
Nice video!
What about a video of Underrated fights of the Nasuverse?
Something like Aozaki Touko vs Araya Souren?
Slash Emperor? More like Slash GOD!
Hell yeah!!! Respect to ma boi Shiki Tohno 😎
iv always loved TYPEs, they are impossible to kill unless you can destory the world. Even if you do manage to kill them, they come back, and on the offchance u can completely destroy one, whose to say the planet/star they are won't just make a new one since only Earth has problems making unltimate ones lmao
the ultimate enemy is type moon, so i dont think other star or planet outside our solar system will create types
@@mnf2091 i think they all do, they seem to be how planets observe the world around themselves, course i doubt every star in the sky is trying to kill humans.humanity vs the solar system is already unwinnable, anymore is overkill
@@APrinnyDood Warhammer 40k Emperium Already Conquer 1million Worlds across the Galaxy.. Fighting OP aliens and Hell itself with attrition. Humanity in Nasuverse is so weak lol.
@@APrinnyDood Humanity vs Milky way galaxy letteraly
@K.O.G.Fanstarks1610 They were killed if the weapon has a Origin on it.. like Slash emperor and black barrel
"Well with all that being said, here we are at the end of the list. Hopefully you've come to appreciate these niche, unique, or straight up obscure abilities that some of these characters have."
TL;DR
Power levels in Type-moon just *hits different*, it's not like in Dragon Ball where there is only one road to gaining more power, and is instead so amazingly broad, thought provoking and awe-inspiring to learn about. But it can get so fucking overpowered in specific circumstances that it just becomes a love-hate relationship.
L;R
It's because I understand everything and how they work that I shall forever remain *disgusted* with how broken these characters are. It doesn't help that so many character in the nasuverse are so situationally effective in a specific circumstance that it becomes outright ridiculous.
I'm sorry it might seem like a downright crime to say this but Servants are the most balanced characters that I know in fate, everything outside of that is *fucking nuts.* I can deal with Aoko Aozaki, for being a magus with subpar magic circuits and magic circuit quality, y'know, *turning it to a fucking engine that generates magical energy far greater than a prodigy like Touko.*
But cutting an Ultimate Being of Jupiter in half? It's the way Nasu writes his scenes man, his characters being super effective in a specific scene is just the ultimate flex on anything that I have ever seen.
Let's also talk about my boy Shizuki from Mahoyo, who fucking two-shots an *Elemental* who took on the sturdy form of a *Werewolf* that can achieve speeds fast enough to reach *Godspeed* which is the very same term Shirou used to refer *BERSERKER'S* speed!
That's not the crazy part, Shizuki took on the Elemental on a forward charge like Shirou, and utterly destroys the Elemental's heart. And to clarify, TRUE ANCESTORS are classified in the same rank as Elementals, if you're not familiar with what True ancestors are then Arcuied is a phenomenal example, that and, Divine-Spirits are also classified as Elementals.
Shizuki was trained with the same assassin group as Souichirou was, and we've seen what Souichirou can do against Saber with Caster's enhancement (Which I am now convinced does not actually boost his strength, and allows him to damage caster, IT HAS TO BE HIS OWN STRENGTH, SHIZUKI TWO SHOTTED AN ELEMENTAL!)
To be frank Shizuki would probably not win against Servants or any of the aforementioned True Ancestors or any other elemental, but the situation set it up to where Shizuki was able to power-flex his absolute strength (Which apparently was far from his peak).
This just really goes to show that if you let your guard down, you can get decked on by even the more underpowered parts of the Type-moon character roster. Or just straight up get countered by highly specific abilities that are written in such a way that's just, fucking amazing.
*Who won?*
Strong and underrated mage with big mercury bubble
Boi with guns (Americaaaaa, fuck yeah!)
Came in expecting sacchin.
was not dissapointed.
btw, where can one read what happens after tsukihime? I know a summary of it exists somewhere, but I have yet to find it
Prelude and Talk can be found here docs.google.com/document/d/1mhIIf9ZPZ8YABVb88Wop1qXylLFmWJZjdfr1A2VUmEs/edit#
I mean, Ado Edem isn't really that strong against human-sized opponents, on that circumstance he's below Karna.
It's not Ado Edem himself who's strong but Slash Emperor, same thing with the Black Barrel.
That's dangerously close to "Can Shiki kill servants?!!!", lol
@@Mayke0077 Slash Emperor is literally part of Ado Edem's body, there's no reason to measure his power level without it, which is what I did. Against a human sized opponent Slash Emperor doesn't grow to any impressive size and thus doesn't absorb vast quantities of Grain, which didn't make him stand out in the war against the Hundred A-Rays. In that circumstance his power only equals that of the A-Rays themselves, which is "just" nuclear bomb level. That makes him stronger than a lot of Servants, but not all of them.
Only against gigantic opponents like Surtr, Gugalanna, Sefar, Lostbelt Ivan and others would he be able to perform as he well as he does against the Ultimate Ones.
@@RarutoUchiha2 and that's also assuming in a situation where he's somehow fighting any of those characters, that there's any grain to absorb to begin with
@@RarutoUchiha2 Doesn't matter, that's the same thing I was trying to say. Keep in mind that each Ether Liners possess different Demonic Swords, we still don't know the power level of the other ones as well for their names, hence why I've preferred to refer Slash Emperor rather than Ado Edem.
Don't worry I think the Itsy Bitsy Spider will get a lot of love in LB7.
I really appreciate this video thank you
half of the people i talked to dont even know about types
flashbacks and finds out its acually only 10% people who know about types
laughs in denial
Have you checked DDD? It's an unfinished novel by Nasu that apparently has characters above Types
Yes but DDD isn't part of the Nasuverse
@@EbullientSMP Well thats interesting. I thought all of his works were part
Grand Saber Ado Edem. I want it soooo much...
I always thought depletion garden was just a better origin bullet
Also thats the clearest image of ado edem ive ever seen damnn
not having death means that even after completely annihilating, types can easily come back into existance in many different ways because they are the will of their respective planet itself. itf you want to truly annihilate them existance, you had to destroy planet itself which is impossible. it means that they are even more powerful than ado edem.
Then why didn't Type Jupiter and Type Pluto return to Earth when they died? Wouldn't Type Saturn bring them over during their final siege to kill the A-Rays and Liners?
I was excited when I saw slash emporer in the thumbnail
YES SOMEONE AKKNOWLEDG MAXWELL
I still don't understand why the hell did Nasu retcon ORT from being Type:Mercury to Type:Oorth. Well, at least it was a total beast in the Lost Belt and proved how broken the Servant System is and how you just need to be a good (or not) fanfic writer to make anything broken as fuck.
I'm hopeful that Ado Edem may still appear on this Alien God arc. If ORT appeared, I guess he could too or even the true Black Barrel.
Because it was never a retcon, he trolled fans with a pun
@@EbullientSMP I thought ORT was officially stated to be Type:Mercury on a character book they released. Damn, I fell for it...
YES SPIDER FROM SPACE IS LITERALLY A. FUCKING ALIEN NIGHTMARE HOW DO WE KILL THAT?!
Why no Inorai ;-;
Head of one of the top 3 families and the mentor the Touko, Alba and Araya trio. Super strong enough to the point Touko wouldn't dare oppose her unless she was in a do or die situation. Her magic is basically like Gaara.
smh
0/10 video
jk
As for people wondering why Alba didn't show much during KnK, its mostly cause while he is super smart and efficient when getting a job done, whenever ANYTHING involving Touko somehow is near or he finds hints of it, his rationality, choice of actions and intelligence in general takes a -100. The man is too obsessed with Touko to think straight. Inferiority complex be a bitch.
didnt realize there were people who didn't know who ado edem is
Hideyoshi is perfect example of Nobunaga not giving a fuck about your upbringing and see the potential in people. Yeah, he may have killed thousands of innocents during his campaign to unify Japan, but I have to give credits where credits is due… and don’t get me started on Yasuke which Nobunaga made into his own bodyguard and retainer.
This is all big nerdy shit…and I fucking love it
People downplay DEATH. He made a person on the level of the Burial Agency face utter defeat. He's the most talented member of the strongest clan of demon hunters with a body specializing in killing. He was hyped up as being as equally absurd as his eyes which are considered the rarest and most horrible mutation in human history. Arc relates that his killing of her was so perfect that it would have been a peerless work of art had she been able to capture it on canvas, Aoko confirms he's the most skilled of killers in the world, Tatari passes up his chance to take the executioner of the TA as his vessel in favor of Nanaya and Archetype even compares King Hassan the original Assassin to Shiki. Says it all really. Nanaya without Mystic Eyes, weakened and fading away was able to rip out Kouma's throat. Now in Remake we find out that his body is actually unique because of the breeding. He has a different bone structure and is built for explosive bursts of speed which explains the ridiculous Nanaya techniques. I think his skill and physicality is definitely on another level compared to KnK Shiki but it's also hard to really even say his eyes are weaker when he's regarded to be the one who is specialized for killing living things and his Remake boosts like killing Roa's legs along with the corridor and a vampires principle which is supposedly incomprehensible to human beings and... is basically something like an Origin almost? It was some sort of light that shouldn't be visible in the first place.
Tsuki Remake kicked in and damn, my bae Ciel got some RIDICULOUS buffs
Throwing it out there. Ado would be THE Grand servant Foreigner
But aren't Foreigners from either outside the planet or have powers from beings outside earth? Ado's purely from earth. He's better off as Grand Saber.
hey have you made a video about velber? or the white titan? you know...that thing from space that bitch made the greek gods and everyone was like "welp..."
I Rolled for MHXX in fgo because rongominiad LR reminded me of slash emperor
In my research into Type Mercury I came across Notes and I wish there was a way I could read it now
Just google "Read Notes Type-Moon", it's one of the first entries
ExtremeSManpig Holy **** you replied! Anyway thanks! I’ll take a look and can I ask if it’s accurately translated or if it’s in English?
ExtremeSManpig also have you seen this book about Avalon that Nasu wrote? I think Vortigern from there could have made this list
@@glydoughnut9432 It's accurate enough from experience, and no I haven't read Garden of Avalon. I need to get on that
No need to glorify me, I see every comment. I like to think of myself as just another equal member in the fandom with editing software lol
@@glydoughnut9432 came from the future and to be honest he doesn’t disappoint he destroyed Lb6 and and could destroy PHH and probably the entire planet
What about pale rider of fate strange fake?, he is quite underrated for people misunderstood that his abilities is only about deseases where in fact its just small part of his kit and he's way more terrifying, can be easily be on top of the strongest servants
So is Ado Edem a potential Grand Saber?
Could Ado Edem be the Grand Saber?
Probably not
@@EbullientSMP what! this dude is the 'gun god' of swords how can he not be a grand saber
@@phoenyxhydra8020 Grands are not classified on sheer power but rather certain aspects. Plus Ado Edem as an individual may not have as much of an impact on the human order.
@@EbullientSMP ohh but would he be a servant on par with hercules (archer) it a overall fight
@@phoenyxhydra8020 Probably not. Ado only really counters giant enemies. Against an enemy his size, he's not that powerful since Slash Emperor wouldn't be that big
No love for MHXA having the Nasuverse version of the Infinity Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems/Stones/Sweets?
full context please, i wasnt able to play the valentine event last year
@@civicrider5556 Its in her Bond level 4 bio. She has the Infinity Black Bean Paste, made of Desire (Soul), Sugar (Power), Sales Location (Space), Cost Price (Reality), Production (Time), and Demand (Mind). It claims she gets infinte power from this but she's clueless about it.
I'm hoping when Mysterious Heroine Alter XX comes she's the Avenger Artoria and she a Thanos parody with the Infinity Black Bean Paste.
@@Zanatos42 OHHHH BOI!!!! i had no idea about this
meanwhile i was planning to make her summer version like a halo spartan
Pretty sure he's a clone of Shirou or Artoria or a mix of the two created by Rin or her decedents
What about the umbral star? That thing eats planets. Or chaos from lostbelt 5 that was planning on eating 40% of earth? Though that last one is a bit new.
Expecting ado in lb7
If the most dangerous thing is that weapon, say can EMIYA who got no constraint of Gaia and infinite mana from Alaya able to kill types, well maybe got to trace Rhogominiyad L/R or Slash Emperor
No cuz slash emperor and rhongomyniad are just too much for him in general
@@amari7782 yeah you're right, our boy EMIYA too incapable copy something like divine construct. If only Nasu get to made a supreme EMIYA or something who could copy any weapon without limit
@@tejapratama7664 it’s not just that he has to understand wat their made from as well not to mention they’d still be weaker than the original
It has never been said that Mordred gave Florent to Lucius in Fate. Hell, it has been hinted that the sword was already a possesion of Rome due to having the divine protection of a roman goddess.
I'd like to give a honorable mention to Vanilla Artoria, the amount of downplay she suffers is insane, I understand that she actually never uses her full power properly but c'mon, the moment she does she actually beats Full Power serious Gil lol.
Agreed
There’s also just Excalibur itself, it, by itself, was able to destroy the White Titan; a being that wiped out most of Mankind’s earliest civilisations, including the true bodies of the 12 Machine Gods(also known as the 12 Olympic Gods)
When did she beat a full power serious gil?
@@skychieftain End of their final fight in Fate route, Gil and the narrator said that he is going all out.
@@kaled20001 lol. Gilgamesh went all out plenty of times. Whenever he uses Ea he is going all out because its a stated fact that only Enuma Elish At full power can counter Artoria's Excalibur.
Slash Emperor only split the sky, it's not an aura
there are some hints that ORT will appear in FGO's lostbelt 7
so one of your wishes will be granted (maybe, idk)
oh fuck Ado Edem is here, fucking Notes is here
I still wonder to this day if XX or Ado Edem is stronger.
MHXX is much more powerful. XX can explode a planet, while the destruction from the battles of the Ultimate Ones and Ado Edem have only been burning or tearing apart a continent.
I was really confused when ORT wasnt in the list at the start, because I thought everyone knew that's the strongest character...
*Cough* Ciel is High-Tier Servant Level in the Remake *Cough*
new remake ciel is absurdly powerful and can easily defeat any normal servants and her ability even rival excalibur.
So I LOVE the idea that TYPEs could make it in but we'd first have to have reason on maybe something to really NERF em. Like Arcueid Could give she just like a Piece of Type moon like .0000001% of it.
Another mysterious character for me is Altrouge Brunestud there’s not much detail(at least from what i’ve read) on what her full potential is, especially after she stole Arcueid’s power(hair). She even just owns Cath Palug from another reality(a beast class in the grand order reality) as a pet. I mean if there’s any proof of her full potential, please let me know/educate me 😅
That’s pretty much spot on. In FGO, Merlin found Fou (Cath Palug) and managed to tame him, turning him into a harmless pet, in the Tsukihime verse, Altrouge managed to find Cath Palug, and instead of taming him, she trained him into becoming the most ruthless murderer of primates in the Nasuverse, a far better killer than Angra Mainyu and on par if not a better killer than Type Mercury
Adam needs to appear in fgo!
I wanna see what maxwell gonna do in Redline
I'm waiting for Gun God to arrive at fate go
How fun would it be for Lucius Tiberius to appear in Lostbelt 6 part 2
isnt first hassan a powerhouse as well bc he can litteraly give immortals the concept of death
Yeah but would you call him underrated?
His abilities are _pretty_ well known
@@EbullientSMP true true, i just thougt people who hasnt played or seen babylonia would know about that anyways your vids are great
But he didn't kill the immortal by himself right
@@muhammadhazmi3201 he could have but he let fujimara ritsuka "kill" the immortal but he also showed his overpowered-ness by killing beeings that was hard to kill even for a godess
EA is the best with Gil Genesis code, its firepower is not the strongest, but its ability to erase is absolute, without its genesis code, in fsf if Enkidu was not helped by Gaia, Gilgamesh would have erased all creation, so with its Genesis code, which allows it to have its original strength and unlimited statistics it is at the cheating stage , just below Akasha.
Depletion Garden only works on mana specifically, not all kinds of magical energy. So someone like Rin who mostly uses her own od and magical energy stored in jewels to fight, there would be little difference for her inside the Reality Marble.
As far as the Satsujinki vs Ryougi comparison goes, most people only use Tohno as he's depicted in Tsukihime and Melty Blood. In the last in particular, Tohno, Akiha and Sion were on the losing side of a fight against Ciel alone. And the only feats we have of Satsujinki in Prelude and Talk are him killing Louvre by surprise via blitz, a feat not dissimilar from what he has done against Nrvnqsr (Louvre being much slower than Chaos), and defeating without killing or even injuring a mage swordsman who's able to stand her ground against members of the Burial Agency.
Since when have no idea how their fight went out, it's fair to assume it was mostly centered around compatibility, something like Shiki killing all of the spells and weapons of Forte like Nasu said he would do in a hypothetical fight against Shirou, or as he did to Roa's lightning spells in the manga. All of this considered and he's at most equal to Ryougi without taking some Void reality fuckery into account.
As for what you said about Slash Emperor, most of it is wrong. It is simply a sword that grows to match the opponent's size, absorbing vast quantities of Grain to do so. Absorbing Grain is what makes the A-Rays and Ether Liners so strong, so more quantities of it would naturally translate into more power. A-Ray and Ether Liners being equal, against human sized opponents Slash Emperor did not make Ado Edem stand out much in the war against the A-Rays, something that wouldn't have been the case if he had the ability to "pierce any kind of armor and kill any existence" ¬_¬
It's simply a big ass sword with lots of destructive power, exactly the kind of thing that's necessary to destroy the Ultimate Ones physically, which is exactly the thing Nasu says can be done to defeat them. Simply put, against an opponent between 1.6~2 meters, Slash Emperor would have power equalling a nuclear bomb. The smallest Ultimate One it defeated, Type:Saturn is 3000 meters in size. So that's about a 600 increase from a base of nuclear bomb level power.
I don't have a solid source on Depletion Garden with only mana, but there's a Japanese video that has stated Satsuki can use this to counter servants.
In Prelude, we did see the "fight" between DEATH and Louvre, however it was mostly just DEATH crawling into the mansion through the window and instantly killing Louvre and his children without any of them noticing him. Shiki's strength lies in his inhuman levels of speed and Nanaya training.
Also what I've stated about Slash Emperor is mostly building on what it's been stated and depicted. Read Character Material carefully, the whole reason this thing came into light is because those were the words used, and because the illustration clearly has the area around the sword be surrounded in blue air. It's at least a very common theory that the two things are linked.
Question what's the name of the ost when you introduced Ado Eden ?
Look in the desc.
You forgot Gun god!!!
a deus ex machina in character form
I think he's the strongest nasuverse character
What if the Roman emperor who fought two knights of the round and Arthur is the Grand Saber, which is why we have yet to see him in FGO?
Highly, highly doubtful. He's strong but he's nowhere near THAT strong
also, we already have a Roman grand servant, so i doubt we're getting a second one
I have a questions,can anyone in the nasuverse kill phenomenon like wallachia?
Not naturally, but if you get someone like Arcueid to use Marble Phantasm to cheat, yes
@@EbullientSMP Thanks for replying 😀
Maybe only something like Void Shiki or King Hassan.
can the slash emperor kill tiamat?
Considering Tiamat's size, it was made for beings like her
Bruh he literally killed a type so Tiamat isn't a problem😂
Not really, because tiamat isn't as big as a type. Tiamat ( 1?0 m)?
@ExtremeSManpig Uh not really? Male shiki eyes if i remember correctly are stated way better than KnK one. Female Shiki is supposed to have EX level sure, but Tsukihime Shiki can see the lines of death even on objects. Not only living/humanoid or whatever creatures but basically everything and he does that in VN even when he is powercreeped.
They aren't. Those aspects are mainly because Tohno uses them and his eyes are quite literally enroaching on his mind. They work different fundamentally to Ryougi's, and have far more drawbacks which results in his anemia and short lifespan.
Ryougi not only does not have these demerits, but she can also use her eyes to cut things like concepts and destiny, as her eyes have a direct connection to the route. As quoted from the Tsukihime Dokuhon Plus Period Book, it directly states "Ryougi can be said she is several ranks higher than Tohno Shiki"
@@EbullientSMP Didnt know that thought, thanks for correcting my mistake. Still Satsuki have a little slight change of being a pseudo servant to fgo due to the fact tsukihime gets remake. I really doubt FGO would overlook this possibility as some kind of event. And lets be honest. She was one of the reasons people were aching for Tsukihime remake as she was told to be romancable character in remake. Shiki woudnt fit probadly due to having to many varations. And probadly i personally would prefer Nanaya version as pseudo servant. Tohno wont fit without addind Arcueid