Best toproll video I have ever watched. You should make an in depth setup tutorial for a posting toproll like this. A lot of fundamentals don't apply to every technique, and the setup is really important so I would love to see that.
Chris, you are an amazing educator. It’s clear that you have a strong understanding of the technical aspects of Armwrestling. But you also explain everything in a way that’s very structured and very easy to follow. Thank you so much. I hope to learn more from you in the future.
Randomly coming back to this video I realized that the advice to keep my weight off of my elbow is what really helped me get a decent toproll. Thanks again Chris.
Very good video ! I’m brushing up my post as I think the game evolves to styles through years and nowadays a good post is a great natural counter for a lot of what is trending so to say. Fantastic, comprehensive tips. I admit… I’ve made many of the mistakes you say… I’m intrigued to do it right and see where I land. Stay at it… this landscape can be disheartening… but you’re doing awesome 👏🏻 🍻
Fantastic video. 6 months in and I've been doing the deal with dropping to my tricep. Glad I saw this before too long, haven't seen anyone explain it like this. Thank you
4:10 travis talked about this exact idea in th-cam.com/video/_59fr95qPiM/w-d-xo.html what youre explaining is essentially exactly what hes explaining, travis even says he stands up on his toes so he can fall back with even more weight.
My friend is a builder, much stronger wrists than me. His natural style is to cup and do a kind of dragging hook. His cup is so strong it instantly defeats me and has me turned palm up every match we've had. I tried a posting toproll for the first time yesterday, I didn't execute it perfectly but some of the principles were there. Was like magic. Sliced through him like butter. The minute I stopped trying to fight his cup and simply make a fist and post, not trying to actively do anything else with the hand, was like a revelation. This technique is incredibly powerful and unless they know how to counter it, easy wins guaranteed
Hi! When starting the pull, should the elbow be close to the body (using the dorsal) or should it always be kept away from the body (using the brachioradialis in a static manner)?
I agree with everything you're saying. although when you say "light elbow" it does open up for elbow fouls (speaking from experience). But I get what you're saying
Hey man I was curious to know if you give me any advice on top rolling and how to pick which is best. I definitely feel much more confident in top rolling but dont really know which route to go. Any advice is appreciated thanks!
An extremely insightful video, great job making it. Other than Travis Bagent, who are some high level arm wrestlers that really utilize this technique in your opinion? From my point of view, Ermes is a great example of this exact technique. Is there anyone else off the top of your head that you can think of?
@@ChrisDrummondAW Ermes doesn't drop his knuckles at all. In the vast majority of his matches, he is always up high. Even Table Monkeys constantly use Ermes as an example of a good high posting toproller.
@@p.o.7669 He does not lock his riser into a high position like Travis. Yeah, he doesn't fully drop them either but it's very clear that he armwrestles differently. His goal is to elevate the webbing and control rotation through his top two fingers while driving backwards through his thumb ridge, not to drive his toproll through his riser like Travis. Totally different style.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Yeah sure, different style because very few, if any, arm wrestle quite like Travis. Also, Travis is on the extreme side of the high posting spectrum in terms of his vertical angle. But, it would still be fair to put Ermes into the high posting toproll even if he doesn't go completely vertical. It'd be really interesting if you made a video on exactly what it is you mean (unless you've already made one).
But is there and advantage in dropping all the way down anchoring on your elbow? Denis Cyplenkov did it sometimes when the opponent got on top of his hand. To get into the straps maybe? I think there is footage of him doing it against Dave Chaffe once.
That’s not the way to do a posting/style toproll but there are plenty of times where you might do that. You can create a lot of backpressure that way so doing that can help protect your wrist if your elbow flexion is strong enough but it leaves very little else to do in terms of control.
What you are talking about is what I exactly discovered in competition yesterday. Lost 2 matches with right doing what you are talking about at the start, decided to change it up a bit, got 3rd in tournament with left doing the correct "posting toproll". Good video and info. The only question I have is, in competition no judge let's you have your hand be as close to you since the center is too far from your opponent, I did the same move, but my angle was a bit more out to the front, it still worked, is that correct tho?
You have to lean your body more forward then. That’s what makes the light elbow part the trick. People see the forward lean and think it means that you’re putting a lot of weight on the elbow.
Very few people know Clan Drummond is one of the Skellige clans in Witcher 3 game and a real clan in real life Scottish history and this guy belongs to that clan of warriors ✌🏼
What are your thoughts on loading vs non loading with posting toproll setup? For me personally I've found success with no load so i maximize explosivity
Are you doing somewhat of a lat-drag in pulling your elbow to the back of the pad; or is it static, and only dragged back by rocking your body back and leaning?
Definitely want to move everything at once. Pretty damn hard to keep that upwards pressure if you just drag the elbow towards your body, if you do that you’re probably just going to get hooked.
Should you squeez your hand at the same time while doing the posting top roll like bagent I think I once heard him say that he squeezes his hand at the same time
You're going to be almost fully pronated just in the setup so there's really no active pronation during the hit. It's more like trying to maintain your pronation but if you keep that same position through the hit then you're golden.
What I don't understand about this, is if you're stronger when you dig your elbow in, like you were when you demo'd repping on 80 lbs, why wouldn't that be the go to move if it's the stronger move? It sounds like you're saying go for the weaker option of sliding the elbow back by engaging your lats because you'll stay tight and can finish more easily.. which I get.. but ultimately it's the weaker move for pealing your opponent's hand open, as demonstrated by you finding it easier to dig your elbow in to rep that 80 lbs.. hopefully I've asked that right and you can see where I'm coming from?
The goal isn’t to create the most backpressure per se, the goal is to have a geometrically favorable position. separating your shoulder from your hand to lift heavier weight doesn’t always pay off because you lose finishing power, but also the best way to open a hand isn’t just “more weight”. A ton of force in the wrong place (or badly timed) is just wasted energy and the light elbow setup will put the force in a different spot on your opponent than just posting. Perhaps I explained it poorly but when you have a floating elbow setup and all that pressure is going up through your top knuckle and then you explode backwards, that hit into the hand is more likely to pop the wrist than just a slow loaded post.
Gotcha. Thanks for the response. I’ve been tryna work out whether I should drag for my back pressure or dig my elbow in.. hence the hair splitting question haha. Love the channel dude
@@ChrisDrummondAW I know he relies a lot on that famous Saginashvili cupping strength, but the only reason I thought it was similar was that it was very sidepressure heavy like pushkar or Travis
@@MDias7777 Pushkar was also very hand dominant. When I've seen Bacho pulling anybody other than Adam he does use the cup and backpressure a lot more than that sideways drive he nailed Adam with. It would be interesting to see how he does with people who he can't just cup in, as few of them as there are.
@@ChrisDrummondAW ahhh I see. Anyways this video was very informative for me because I used to try pulling back with my back pressure for height but obviously couldn’t so I used this high sidepressure move and flashed pinned people who I never could before but the only thing is it’s so heavy on my elbows since a lot of sidepressure is involved.
@@ChrisDrummondAW also do you think pushkar put an emphasis on keeping his riser or was it just getting starting off super high and crashing down with a cup?
If you know it’s coming, setting the hook or going to the straps and using a defensive/low-hand style can work. You also can do one of your own. If it surprises you, you won’t have time to “counter” it.
@@hstar8047 doesn’t really change the plan. Makes hooking a bit more dangerous but a defensive toproll in the straps is effective and if you’re able to control their rotation at all you may just take their hand.
Idk what “that big” must be then because he was over 270lbs for any event that mattered and a hair over 290lbs at his biggest. I guess Levan and some other more recent superheavies really changed people’s perceptions of what big is because Travis was one of the bigger guys in his day.
Dude. This video is a game changer, your channel is pure gold, and you are an incredible teacher.
Best toproll video I have ever watched. You should make an in depth setup tutorial for a posting toproll like this. A lot of fundamentals don't apply to every technique, and the setup is really important so I would love to see that.
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Chris, you are an amazing educator. It’s clear that you have a strong understanding of the technical aspects of Armwrestling. But you also explain everything in a way that’s very structured and very easy to follow.
Thank you so much. I hope to learn more from you in the future.
Randomly coming back to this video I realized that the advice to keep my weight off of my elbow is what really helped me get a decent toproll.
Thanks again Chris.
This was the stuff you talk about on Reddit. Great stuff for a beginner.
Very good video !
I’m brushing up my post as I think the game evolves to styles through years and nowadays a good post is a great natural counter for a lot of what is trending so to say.
Fantastic, comprehensive tips.
I admit… I’ve made many of the mistakes you say… I’m intrigued to do it right and see where I land.
Stay at it… this landscape can be disheartening… but you’re doing awesome 👏🏻 🍻
@robvigeant464 wait a minute you aren’t the real RVJ
Never heard this amazing teacher. Gold
Travis also called this style High Sidepressure! Thank you for the video!
Fantastic video. 6 months in and I've been doing the deal with dropping to my tricep. Glad I saw this before too long, haven't seen anyone explain it like this. Thank you
4:10 travis talked about this exact idea in
th-cam.com/video/_59fr95qPiM/w-d-xo.html
what youre explaining is essentially exactly what hes explaining, travis even says he stands up on his toes so he can fall back with even more weight.
Thank you so much man youve earned a sub.
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My friend is a builder, much stronger wrists than me. His natural style is to cup and do a kind of dragging hook. His cup is so strong it instantly defeats me and has me turned palm up every match we've had. I tried a posting toproll for the first time yesterday, I didn't execute it perfectly but some of the principles were there. Was like magic. Sliced through him like butter. The minute I stopped trying to fight his cup and simply make a fist and post, not trying to actively do anything else with the hand, was like a revelation. This technique is incredibly powerful and unless they know how to counter it, easy wins guaranteed
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Awesome tips. I think another reason to be light on the elbow is to allow you to drive your hand up to gain another 1-2 cm in the setup
I like the way you explain things.
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Great Video Sir
Love the video. Keep em comin. Very useful for me
Hi! When starting the pull, should the elbow be close to the body (using the dorsal) or should it always be kept away from the body (using the brachioradialis in a static manner)?
Wow thts smthng extremely useful..
I agree with everything you're saying. although when you say "light elbow" it does open up for elbow fouls (speaking from experience). But I get what you're saying
Great content and channel ! Thanks for sharing !
incredible content. thank you
This was awesome man. Thank you so much!
can u explain the benefit of pronation in hook i hear to remember pronation but idk what they really mean during a hook
Hook pronation is important to have your arm in a hammer position, pronation is important to not get palmed up by your opponent
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Hey man I was curious to know if you give me any advice on top rolling and how to pick which is best. I definitely feel much more confident in top rolling but dont really know which route to go. Any advice is appreciated thanks!
Just takes time practicing how to do them correctly and over time you’ll learn what’s best for you.
thank you
Good concept!
An extremely insightful video, great job making it. Other than Travis Bagent, who are some high level arm wrestlers that really utilize this technique in your opinion? From my point of view, Ermes is a great example of this exact technique. Is there anyone else off the top of your head that you can think of?
Ermes doesn't armwrestle this way. He drops his knuckles and uses his cup a lot but hinges on heavy elbow backpressure.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Ermes doesn't drop his knuckles at all. In the vast majority of his matches, he is always up high. Even Table Monkeys constantly use Ermes as an example of a good high posting toproller.
@@p.o.7669 He does not lock his riser into a high position like Travis. Yeah, he doesn't fully drop them either but it's very clear that he armwrestles differently. His goal is to elevate the webbing and control rotation through his top two fingers while driving backwards through his thumb ridge, not to drive his toproll through his riser like Travis. Totally different style.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Yeah sure, different style because very few, if any, arm wrestle quite like Travis. Also, Travis is on the extreme side of the high posting spectrum in terms of his vertical angle. But, it would still be fair to put Ermes into the high posting toproll even if he doesn't go completely vertical.
It'd be really interesting if you made a video on exactly what it is you mean (unless you've already made one).
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This dude explained me to the freaking T .. I do all those dumb amateur thing's and I'm 2 years in..
Even the best guys in their respective sports all have coaches. Tiger, Messi, GSP, etc. Takes a 3rd person perspective sometimes.
@Chris Drummond fantastic video .. felt like you were specifically talking right to me
But is there and advantage in dropping all the way down anchoring on your elbow? Denis Cyplenkov did it sometimes when the opponent got on top of his hand. To get into the straps maybe?
I think there is footage of him doing it against Dave Chaffe once.
That’s not the way to do a posting/style toproll but there are plenty of times where you might do that. You can create a lot of backpressure that way so doing that can help protect your wrist if your elbow flexion is strong enough but it leaves very little else to do in terms of control.
Very nice explications
What you are talking about is what I exactly discovered in competition yesterday. Lost 2 matches with right doing what you are talking about at the start, decided to change it up a bit, got 3rd in tournament with left doing the correct "posting toproll". Good video and info.
The only question I have is, in competition no judge let's you have your hand be as close to you since the center is too far from your opponent, I did the same move, but my angle was a bit more out to the front, it still worked, is that correct tho?
You have to lean your body more forward then. That’s what makes the light elbow part the trick. People see the forward lean and think it means that you’re putting a lot of weight on the elbow.
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Very few people know Clan Drummond is one of the Skellige clans in Witcher 3 game and a real clan in real life Scottish history and this guy belongs to that clan of warriors ✌🏼
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What are your thoughts on loading vs non loading with posting toproll setup? For me personally I've found success with no load so i maximize explosivity
@@fitnessfellaz no load
@@ChrisDrummondAW ty
Are you doing somewhat of a lat-drag in pulling your elbow to the back of the pad; or is it static, and only dragged back by rocking your body back and leaning?
Definitely want to move everything at once. Pretty damn hard to keep that upwards pressure if you just drag the elbow towards your body, if you do that you’re probably just going to get hooked.
@@ChrisDrummondAW
Right right. I knew for sure you were rocking back, just not sure if a lat drag was involved at all.
Thank you.
Should you squeez your hand at the same time while doing the posting top roll like bagent I think I once heard him say that he squeezes his hand at the same time
Yeah that’s what he means when he says to make a fist.
Are you trying to actively pronate during the hit, or just staying dead-stactic in your hand/wrist/forearm/arm position; only trying to drag and lean?
You're going to be almost fully pronated just in the setup so there's really no active pronation during the hit. It's more like trying to maintain your pronation but if you keep that same position through the hit then you're golden.
@@ChrisDrummondAW
thanks for the quick response.
What I don't understand about this, is if you're stronger when you dig your elbow in, like you were when you demo'd repping on 80 lbs, why wouldn't that be the go to move if it's the stronger move? It sounds like you're saying go for the weaker option of sliding the elbow back by engaging your lats because you'll stay tight and can finish more easily.. which I get.. but ultimately it's the weaker move for pealing your opponent's hand open, as demonstrated by you finding it easier to dig your elbow in to rep that 80 lbs.. hopefully I've asked that right and you can see where I'm coming from?
The goal isn’t to create the most backpressure per se, the goal is to have a geometrically favorable position. separating your shoulder from your hand to lift heavier weight doesn’t always pay off because you lose finishing power, but also the best way to open a hand isn’t just “more weight”. A ton of force in the wrong place (or badly timed) is just wasted energy and the light elbow setup will put the force in a different spot on your opponent than just posting.
Perhaps I explained it poorly but when you have a floating elbow setup and all that pressure is going up through your top knuckle and then you explode backwards, that hit into the hand is more likely to pop the wrist than just a slow loaded post.
Gotcha. Thanks for the response. I’ve been tryna work out whether I should drag for my back pressure or dig my elbow in.. hence the hair splitting question haha. Love the channel dude
Have you seen Bacho Saginashvili’s latest match on East vs West? I believe he does the same high side pressure technique that Travis does.
He really doesn’t pull like Travis. Bacho is very hand-heavy.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I know he relies a lot on that famous Saginashvili cupping strength, but the only reason I thought it was similar was that it was very sidepressure heavy like pushkar or Travis
@@MDias7777 Pushkar was also very hand dominant. When I've seen Bacho pulling anybody other than Adam he does use the cup and backpressure a lot more than that sideways drive he nailed Adam with. It would be interesting to see how he does with people who he can't just cup in, as few of them as there are.
@@ChrisDrummondAW ahhh I see. Anyways this video was very informative for me because I used to try pulling back with my back pressure for height but obviously couldn’t so I used this high sidepressure move and flashed pinned people who I never could before but the only thing is it’s so heavy on my elbows since a lot of sidepressure is involved.
@@ChrisDrummondAW also do you think pushkar put an emphasis on keeping his riser or was it just getting starting off super high and crashing down with a cup?
Hi Chris do you do some type of online coaching?
Yeah email me at chrisdrummond.aw@gmail.com
Do you drag your elbow next to your body or inside to your body?
Ideally the elbow doesn’t really move relative to the body, everything moves together.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Yes but should you drag your elboy with your body more to the left or to the rightside or straight back?
How do I counter posting style toproll?
If you know it’s coming, setting the hook or going to the straps and using a defensive/low-hand style can work. You also can do one of your own. If it surprises you, you won’t have time to “counter” it.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Problem I have is facing shorter people who use this, if they use other styles I usually take their hand
@@hstar8047 doesn’t really change the plan. Makes hooking a bit more dangerous but a defensive toproll in the straps is effective and if you’re able to control their rotation at all you may just take their hand.
Ill try at next practice thanks for the advice! :-)
Makes sense. Travis was never that big and somehow would steamroll guys
Idk what “that big” must be then because he was over 270lbs for any event that mattered and a hair over 290lbs at his biggest. I guess Levan and some other more recent superheavies really changed people’s perceptions of what big is because Travis was one of the bigger guys in his day.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I mean compared to the supers. 300 and over guys.
He was huge dude
@@Pepe-pq3om compared to Levan, Zaur, Alex?