Just wanted to say it’s been a pleasure to watch your development in terms of production quality as a TH-camr. That’s not to say your early videos were bad, they were excellent I’m terms of subject matter and your way of explain I’m h things and communicating with the audience. But your progress in terms of look and feel of the videos has improved markedly and you’ve still got your own very satisfying style of presentation. Thank you for your videos, I really enjoy them.
Hey new sub here, I've been watching LPL and BB on and off for a few years and recently decided to give the hobby a go myself. Your videos aimed towards new pickers have been a godsend ty!
The best TH-cam lock picking channel by far. Your a very respectful gentleman. My cousin who's a licensed locksmith only watches your lock picking channel. Happy New Year roo you and God bless 🙏🎄
Looks like the body of that HKR lock _and the key_ are also made of steel - pretty cool. When selecting locks for my house I tend to balance the ability of the lock to keep miscreants out against the difficulty of getting myself inside if I happen to lose my keys. So I want something that resists common attacks, but I could still open non-destructively if I had my lock picks on me. If even a professional locksmith would struggle to get inside without damaging the door or breaking a window in the process, I tend to consider that overkill for domestic use e.g. Abloy... That HKR looks like it would have been an excellent choice though, nigh on indestructable but still pickable. On a related note, a thing that's often overlooked is that there are security door handles and escutcheons available, which will go some way to prevent drilling and snapping attacks by covering up the face of the lock with a steel housing and a spinner plate.
@@Chlorate299 Indeed, security is only as strong as its weakest link. In any case any security is a deterrent, the best defense is not putting targets on display (don't leave a garage door open top long if it has expensive vehicles or tools on show). If the risk/reward is too high, criminals may be deterred and look elsewhere.
To be fair a drilling standard is Rotory tool with a Carbide milling bit. At his point hardend Metal is no problem at all. But I could imagine Carbide inserts in locks and or ceramics might work superior to add drilling resistance to a lock
@@Zieh-Fix makes sense to me. I thought the bits he used was just some regular high-speed steal bits. If the inserts are carbide it absolutely makes sense drilling is a tough thing to do
No doubt, it's difficult to destroy the lock by drilling but that lock can still be picked by a professional lockpicker. So, which lock is pick proof and drill proof ?
Sorry to break your dreams... We locksmiths use 3mm Chinesium 3euro Burr's that bypass the hardened pins. It's basically the width of a key, and you just pull the pins out one by one until the lock is 'clean' and a flat screwdriver opens it. (I'm a locksmith by profession) A single 3mm burr last me easily 30 high security cilinders
Do you have any advice for a new picker, that prefers to pick in hand, but often struggles with cores that contain a lot of spools, due to hand cramps? I do have a suction desk vise, but i feel like i dont get anywhere near the same type of feedback id get vs in my hand. It might be the way i hold my pick, in which i let the shank of the pick rest on the last knuckle of my middle finger, and my pointer finger i throw over the top of the handle so it falls in front of my thumb. holding it the way everyone else seems to, like a pencil, feels off to me, also makes it harder to feel the pins for some reason
You could try the lock in the vice but then place your non picking hand on the vice and lock. You can still get a bit of feedback from the lock if you have some contact with it that way
The attacks are all high speed. This causes the metal to 'work harden'. To cut through this lock you need a good drill bit turning slowly and plenty of lube (TWSS).
Because a thief certainly wants to spend a lot of time in front of the door dripping cutting oil out of a can on the lock. No, see Apu Apu's comment - carbide mill bit.
@Lock Noob Ah, so wiper blade only good for making a turning tool, not lock picks. K thanks. Ps: I can honestly say I have never seen that lock at my local hardware store. Did it have very limited distribution ?
As I have learnt to my cost with anti drill, anti pick hardened steel locks, if your lock stops working with the key, you will have to replace the whole door. That lock is NOT coming out.
looks like a good lock, shame i aint going anywhere near it. why pick a lock when i can just unscrew roof sheets, or pop or grind hinges, or unbolt and smash windows. 100 other ways to brak in. hows it hold up to thermite? or my fav awesome lock like this on a wooden door or frame. anys, cool vid.
Yeah, making a burglar look for a different path to entry is THE POINT of putting in good locks. If the door that the lock is in has a glass panel next it, well that's just silly. If the patio door in the back has a cheap lock on it, well that's on the homeowner. Security needs to be at a reasonable level all 'round.
You've got to consider, how they get out.not going to get a safe or your motobike out via the roof or window easily. Really need to roll out a door. You can make it alot harder to get out ..if you have a monitored alarm, they don't have forever to do this.
I don't really see the point of that type of key control, as it would be very easy to just file the same notch in every position. That way it wouldn't matter where the ballbearing was.
Yes it's the same with passive pins but it allows the manufacturers to easily increase the amount of possible combinations. that's why passive elements are very common in mid class zylinders.
Mate we sell magi burrs. They do less then a hss drill on these 😂 We don't sell HKR as they aren't produced anymore. So there is no reason to lie for us here.
You are drilling the wrong point. But that put to one side....what is the point of the drill protection if it has zero anti snap protection?. There is NO excuse to be manufacturing euro cylinders meant for exterior doors with zero snap protection. Manufacturers are still doing it. On anthor note...the cheapskate manufacturers need to unite and change the industry. They need to improve their products to meet today's standards. Even if it means they agree on new prices that all customers will have to pay. In an ideal world maybe. I say the steel bolts on metal gates....I was thinking....they could easily produce anti angle grinder sliding bolts if they can do that with shackles for his security applications if not all their door hardware. No excuses because it can be done
Baz doesn't want to pay a few more pounds for a lock and will take the cheap knock-off lock that's made in (insert S.E. Asian country) over a lock made in (Germany for instance). Since burglary affects a relatively small portion of the population the odds are Baz won't get burgled and will be satisfies with his p.o.s. lock.
Snapping protection. You will search long for that in germany or Austria. Insurance normally wants us to install a security fitting you can't easily remove. This is the reason even expensive locks will often not have a snapping protection. Instead a core pulling and pulling protection as that will protect against most snap attempts as well.
Carbide against carbide? The burrs we used in the video we did for locknoob are made from carbide. If a 25.000rpm carbide burr only does a little dent. A normal carbide drill won't do much more. Yes with little pressure and enough time you can mill or drill these. But that's not feasible for a locksmith 😉
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Oh wow what a great lock 👍👍it's a shame that they don't produce it anymore 😔
Thanks for sharing this in cooperation with Wendt 👍👍
You are welcome
Just wanted to say it’s been a pleasure to watch your development in terms of production quality as a TH-camr. That’s not to say your early videos were bad, they were excellent I’m terms of subject matter and your way of explain I’m h things and communicating with the audience. But your progress in terms of look and feel of the videos has improved markedly and you’ve still got your own very satisfying style of presentation. Thank you for your videos, I really enjoy them.
Thank you!
Hey new sub here, I've been watching LPL and BB on and off for a few years and recently decided to give the hobby a go myself. Your videos aimed towards new pickers have been a godsend ty!
Awesome! Thanks 😊
The best TH-cam lock picking channel by far. Your a very respectful gentleman. My cousin who's a licensed locksmith only watches your lock picking channel.
Happy New Year roo you and God bless 🙏🎄
Fantastic my friend great video ,back in the day when security ment something.🌴😎
Thanks o
Looks like the body of that HKR lock _and the key_ are also made of steel - pretty cool. When selecting locks for my house I tend to balance the ability of the lock to keep miscreants out against the difficulty of getting myself inside if I happen to lose my keys. So I want something that resists common attacks, but I could still open non-destructively if I had my lock picks on me.
If even a professional locksmith would struggle to get inside without damaging the door or breaking a window in the process, I tend to consider that overkill for domestic use e.g. Abloy...
That HKR looks like it would have been an excellent choice though, nigh on indestructable but still pickable.
On a related note, a thing that's often overlooked is that there are security door handles and escutcheons available, which will go some way to prevent drilling and snapping attacks by covering up the face of the lock with a steel housing and a spinner plate.
Correct these protectors started to be developed about 30 years ago. As it protects against core pulling which we introduced with our first tool.
Got loads of pictures of doors with high security door furniture and locks, been broken into in a few seconds through bthe DGU.
@@cardiffpicker1 Yup, I remember reading that in some windows the glass could be taken out by cutting through the beading.
@@Chlorate299 vast majority just smash it, over 70% of break ins in the UK are through smashed toughened glass.
@@Chlorate299 Indeed, security is only as strong as its weakest link. In any case any security is a deterrent, the best defense is not putting targets on display (don't leave a garage door open top long if it has expensive vehicles or tools on show). If the risk/reward is too high, criminals may be deterred and look elsewhere.
I'm looking forward to Wendt's event, sounds fun
It does sound good!
Once again.... great video with some history interjected. Best picking channel.
Thank you!
fantastic demonstration Ash mate great video👊😎😊🇬🇧👍
No worries!
Well built lock. Good job.
Yeah!
Thank you for sharing
Thanks!
To be fair a drilling standard is Rotory tool with a Carbide milling bit.
At his point hardend Metal is no problem at all. But I could imagine Carbide inserts in locks and or ceramics might work superior to add drilling resistance to a lock
The isets are carbide. The milling bit used in the video is a high quality carbide bit we sell to firefighters and locksmiths.
@@Zieh-Fix makes sense to me. I thought the bits he used was just some regular high-speed steal bits.
If the inserts are carbide it absolutely makes sense drilling is a tough thing to do
I’ve used 1/4 inch ball cutters to go through Medeco locks fairly fast.
Great video and information 🍻🐈⬛🐾🐈🐾🇬🇧🍻
Thanks!
great picking, loved the video
Thank you Steve! 😊
Good video and nice lock.
Great video LPL. Could you please recommend a link or few high security cylinders as I am trying to buy some. Thank you. 😊
Who is this LPL you speak of?
@@LockNoob I meant you but as was watching some Lock Pickin Lawyer videos I mistakenly mixed you up. 😅
Can I ask if you are interested in any padlock trades and can I get in touch with you in anyway?
Just heat the plate with a small torch first and then drill it, the heat will ruin the annealing
No doubt, it's difficult to destroy the lock by drilling but that lock can still be picked by a professional lockpicker. So, which lock is pick proof and drill proof ?
When you said Stay Safe... I kept thinking Stay Legal and it made me miss Bosnian Bill. Love his videos. I hope he's doing well.
Yeah I miss Bill
Sorry to break your dreams...
We locksmiths use 3mm Chinesium 3euro Burr's that bypass the hardened pins. It's basically the width of a key, and you just pull the pins out one by one until the lock is 'clean' and a flat screwdriver opens it.
(I'm a locksmith by profession)
A single 3mm burr last me easily 30 high security cilinders
Do you have any advice for a new picker, that prefers to pick in hand, but often struggles with cores that contain a lot of spools, due to hand cramps?
I do have a suction desk vise, but i feel like i dont get anywhere near the same type of feedback id get vs in my hand.
It might be the way i hold my pick, in which i let the shank of the pick rest on the last knuckle of my middle finger, and my pointer finger i throw over the top of the handle so it falls in front of my thumb.
holding it the way everyone else seems to, like a pencil, feels off to me, also makes it harder to feel the pins for some reason
You could try the lock in the vice but then place your non picking hand on the vice and lock. You can still get a bit of feedback from the lock if you have some contact with it that way
Great vid. I had to laugh, i almost thought you were going to say "stay safe... stay legal" :D
Almost!!
The attacks are all high speed. This causes the metal to 'work harden'. To cut through this lock you need a good drill bit turning slowly and plenty of lube (TWSS).
Because a thief certainly wants to spend a lot of time in front of the door dripping cutting oil out of a can on the lock. No, see Apu Apu's comment - carbide mill bit.
Drilling carbide?
Very very very hard. Nothing you want to do quick or slow.
@Lock Noob
Ah, so wiper blade only good for making a turning tool, not lock picks. K thanks.
Ps: I can honestly say I have never seen that lock at my local hardware store. Did it have very limited distribution ?
deverloped for the german market but never found it's nieche
Ok. That may explain its limited lifespan. Pitty, it seems much better than a lot of the junk out there.
As I have learnt to my cost with anti drill, anti pick hardened steel locks, if your lock stops working with the key, you will have to replace the whole door. That lock is NOT coming out.
Well there is that… what locks in particular?
@@LockNoob hykee high security van door lock.
Wot no thermite?
Lol
looks like a good lock, shame i aint going anywhere near it. why pick a lock when i can just unscrew roof sheets, or pop or grind hinges, or unbolt and smash windows. 100 other ways to brak in. hows it hold up to thermite?
or my fav awesome lock like this on a wooden door or frame. anys, cool vid.
Yeah, making a burglar look for a different path to entry is THE POINT of putting in good locks. If the door that the lock is in has a glass panel next it, well that's just silly. If the patio door in the back has a cheap lock on it, well that's on the homeowner. Security needs to be at a reasonable level all 'round.
You've got to consider, how they get out.not going to get a safe or your motobike out via the roof or window easily. Really need to roll out a door. You can make it alot harder to get out ..if you have a monitored alarm, they don't have forever to do this.
I don't really see the point of that type of key control, as it would be very easy to just file the same notch in every position. That way it wouldn't matter where the ballbearing was.
Yes it's the same with passive pins but it allows the manufacturers to easily increase the amount of possible combinations. that's why passive elements are very common in mid class zylinders.
Magi burr would eat that up ;)
Mate we sell magi burrs. They do less then a hss drill on these 😂
We don't sell HKR as they aren't produced anymore. So there is no reason to lie for us here.
Ultion,stay locked, even when you don't want them to.
Lol
just heat it with a hand held torch and then drill it
Have you heated up a carbide mill before? You likely will still not be able to drill it. When you are lucky you can mill it.
Assuming you can heat it enough to change it's properties and the door isn't burning 🔥😅
We are talking a few hundert degrees c
@@Zieh-Fix Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say this. 💥
use a diamond cutter
I think you made it marginally cleaner...😂
PLISSSSSS..... ABLOY PROTECT 2
You guys are not helping home owners!
shame to destroy s lock like this... also that they are not made any more.
It wasn’t destroyed. There is one that’s used for demonstration that’s seen a little hardship, but it still works
The damage on that lock used for demonstration is from 20 years demonstrating and testing on it with high speed carbide tools 😅
You are drilling the wrong point. But that put to one side....what is the point of the drill protection if it has zero anti snap protection?. There is NO excuse to be manufacturing euro cylinders meant for exterior doors with zero snap protection. Manufacturers are still doing it. On anthor note...the cheapskate manufacturers need to unite and change the industry. They need to improve their products to meet today's standards. Even if it means they agree on new prices that all customers will have to pay. In an ideal world maybe. I say the steel bolts on metal gates....I was thinking....they could easily produce anti angle grinder sliding bolts if they can do that with shackles for his security applications if not all their door hardware. No excuses because it can be done
Baz doesn't want to pay a few more pounds for a lock and will take the cheap knock-off lock that's made in (insert S.E. Asian country) over a lock made in (Germany for instance). Since burglary affects a relatively small portion of the population the odds are Baz won't get burgled and will be satisfies with his p.o.s. lock.
Snapping protection. You will search long for that in germany or Austria.
Insurance normally wants us to install a security fitting you can't easily remove. This is the reason even expensive locks will often not have a snapping protection. Instead a core pulling and pulling protection as that will protect against most snap attempts as well.
Please don’t shake items up and down while trying to give us a closeup view. It’s very irritating and unproductive.
Talking about irritating and unproductive…
Send one to me locknoob. Walter carbide tipped drills should get it quickly
Carbide against carbide?
The burrs we used in the video we did for locknoob are made from carbide. If a 25.000rpm carbide burr only does a little dent. A normal carbide drill won't do much more.
Yes with little pressure and enough time you can mill or drill these. But that's not feasible for a locksmith 😉
However if you come to our event bring your drills and you are invited to try 😊