Real Innovation - Check Out These Prototypes!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- I’m really impressed by these working prototypes. They are complex, secure, but also reliable and possible to go into production 🔐🔐🔐
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I’m really impressed by these working prototypes. They are complex, secure, but also reliable and possible to go into production 🔐🔐🔐
bro they are not that good... to be honest.
lock pickin lwayer will get threw em ez pz i bet
Super cool Locks. Great Review. I think I speak for everybody when I say I appreciate that you are willing to show new designs regardless of whether you can pick them or not. It shows you really love locks and are in this for all the right reasons. Both of these designs were presented to us some months ago. We get a ton of idea submissions but these two really stood out as exceptional ideas and executions. The Lethalogicax magnetic lock has a magic to it and the locking disk detainer is really quite clever. The idea of locking in the code before testing it in a second step seems to be exploding right now. I think yuema sort of kicked that off. I think the protec2 does lock the disks but is not as segregated. We had an idea along this vein we filed a few years back that we call the "sampler" but thought it could likely be decoded. Priyer another lock picker is working on a very cool idea that also does the testing. So lots of cool stuff on the horizon. I would say to inventors around the world and what i tell most folks who submit ideas to us is that for an idea to be commercially viable it would ideally fit in a 0.5" plug and 0.6" cylinder and be bi-directional so that you can fit it in all the major formats.
@@77Fmydog uh huh
@@77Fmydog please, share some of your superior knowledge. Why are they not that good
Thanks Lock Noob for featuring my lock (the disc detainer), and thanks to everyone for all the complements, they really made my day!
I haven't released the 3D printing files yet, mostly because the pins are difficult to print, but also because the tolerances seem to different on different printers. I swear I will get around to it soon.
A lot of time and many prototypes went into the design of this lock. I'm happy to answer any questions about it.
-Jai
It's an awesome concept, I'd love to see more of it. Well done!
Wonderful!!!👏👏👏🐾🐈⬛🐈🐾👍👍👍👍
Just facilitating to see these designs, well done sir, well done ;-)
Cool design. Quick question, what would you make the locks out of if these style of lock comes to market?
@@mikepeters1176 Definitely not plastic, probably not cardboard. I haven't really thought about it. I was entirely focused on designing a lock that would take longer to pick than to break. I don't really know enough to make an educated guess.
That Disc Detainer design is incredible. It's basically using the same design concept that I have seen in so many "Unpickable" lock designs lately. If you can remove the actuation of the locking mechanism from direct contact with the key/keyway (essentially adding a layer of "obfuscation") then you force the picker need to pick the lock both blind and correctly before you even turn it. This can also be stated as the removal of direct feedback from the correct open state. In that way it kind of becomes a combination lock instead of a traditional keyed cylinder.
Hats off to the designer of this disc detainer style lock. It seems to excel in it's implementation, simplicity and manufacturability. And good on you for applying for patent status. This is certainly the definition of an improvement to an existing mechanism.
Thank you for expanding on the design description. It helped me to understand it more.
If I understand the design correctly, the goal is essentially to have all of the disks held in place when the lock is under tension. I would suspect that while this would make it impossible to keep the lock tensioned while moving whichever disk was binding, it would still be possible, unless tolerances were extremely tight, to identify which disk was binding, release tension, move the disk, and then check whether the same disk was still binding.
That having been said, an ideal lock should often make non-destructive entry without a key slower and more difficult than destructive entry, but not infinitely so. Making non-destructive entry harder than would be necessary to make other courses of action more appealing for thieves would increase the cost of e.g. dealing with lost keys, but offer no additional security benefit.
Thank you so much for featuring my lock and its prototype! You did an absolutely incredible job showcasing it and Im so happy they made it to you safely! It seriously means so much to me that you could do my design justice like this! Thank you Ash!
And that other design is also quite incredible! Another amazing example of the ingenuity and brilliance in this community! Having looked at the design, Im wondering if there might be a way to get some "feedback" from the mechanism in terms of picking? Can you turn the core completely and then do a sort of jiggle test on each of the gates? I'd expect them each to feel completely bound under tension if set incorrectly, but have a small amount of play if they're in their correct position. Just a theory to maybe play around with...
Thank you for sending such cool locks. Genuinely interesting and highly innovative. You should be totally proud of your fantastic achievement
And totally cool of you to be so gracious about the other design. Very different to yours but totally awesome as well
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You explained these very well. Thanks for showing us these innovative locks. Keep us updated with any production plans or metal prototypes.
I love to see really innovative locks, especially the disk detainer one. They didn't overengineer it, they they boiled down everything they wanted to into the simplest and most basic for, with the fewest number of parts parts
I think we have seen a paradigm shift into how locks will be made. Clean designs and well thought out. Kudos to the creators. (I hate to use this phrase, but) these folks are definitely thinking outside the box!
those are easily pickable though and too expensive to manufacture
Wow!!! These locks are amazing and wonderful!!!
Lethologica X !!! Her work is totally amazing and elegant!!! The printing is amazing as well!!! 😃
I have two of her designs and they are incredible!!!👍
Was not familiar with JAI but again more brilliant work!!!
Thank you so much for sharing these super locks on your channel!!!!
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Simple yet elegantly designed.
Thank you Ash, you bring joy to an old Locksmiths heart.
My pleasure!
Now I would say that they are simply elegant in the design, it's innovative and just works fantastically. Love the way you explained everything, you covered all the bases on that one. I love seeing new innovations in lock designs, especially unique ones. Would love to see production models of these, and as for pick resistance, even a magnetic attack on the first two would be futile.
Oh yeah 6 to the power of 5 is 570,000,000, wow that's a lot of hunting for an open. Great video and keep them coming, be well!
William beat me to it. You didn't 'want to use the word "simple". An engineer would use the word "elegant". A big part of elegance is to be as simple as possible, but no simpler (to quote Einstein).
6 to the power of 5 can't be more than 10 to the power of 5 which is 100,000 🤔. 6 to the power of 5 is 7776.
I think the word you're looking for is "elegant" in the sense that mathematicians tend to use the word: beauty born of purity, simplicity and orderliness in function.
Yes! Elegant. Perfect word for these 👍
Wow! Those locking mechanisms are brilliant. Thanks for sharing them guys.
wow these are really good, id like to see thelockpickinglawyer try to pick that last lock!
Those are all REALLY cool! The white one kinda works like a combination lock, but all going the same direction,at the same time!
The disc lock reminds me of the lock in Bill's 1792 video. Also a lock using multiple sleeves and sidebars to be impossible to tension.
Hogmaster picked the Yuema 750 last year. Absolutely nutty.
@@skwiggledork Just watched his and Mr Paradise's video, holy **** !
The ‘whip it’ was a Rubik’s cube ‘type’ puzzle from 1981.
I'm going into mechanical engineering starting in September, and one goal of mine is to design an "unpickable lock", but clearly I have a lot of learning ahead of me, because I hadn't even considered magnets, or multi-core systems!
Are the files for these locks available to the public anywhere? I'd love to print them myself and experiment a bit.
"elegant" is the word you're looking for
Devilishly clever simplicity. Great locks, great video!
Wow, these are both fascinating mechanics. Thank you for sharing
What elegant lock designs.
Very clever designs.
Very ingenious.
If Abloy do not take on the patentee of the disc detainer lock they need their heads examined.
They definitely need their heads examined then. I contacted ~10 lock companies (Abloy included) and only Bowley responded. I even tried contacting sub companies such as Lockwood, but the best I got was "leave a message and someone will call you back soon".
All you can say is wow!
I wonder if you could make an electromagnetic “rake” for this 🤔
Actuate the “cuts” continuously and the key works as usual.
I don't wonder, that's absolutely doable in theory. But with for instance 12 magnets there are over 500.000 combinations and I don't think that's really practical to try them all.
@@ozzieenkees I was thinking along the lines of make an EM key, apply turning pressure.
You could in theory brute force the combinations quickly, given electromagnets driven by a program.
@@tonikaihola5408 I was thinking the exact same thing. It would take some extremely careful tensioning to avoid getting stuck in false gates, but it might be possible. I wonder how much power it would take to make electromagnets of that size effective enough for this?
EDIT: I'm half asleep, apparently. I realized there would be no "open state" feedback with that little tension. Instead, the EM key would just be a brute-force tool, like you said.
Thought of that :D Which is why I went for as many key combos as possible! Testing 2²⁴ combos at 1/sec would take about 200 days of continuous guessing and checking!
Conversely, you could flip the "EM rake" idea on its head and have an "electronic key" that operates a physical mechanism. Just type a keycode into a key lined with electromagnets and the key sets itself to match the lock!
@@lethalogicax2474 Another thought I had is if you can get access to the key (or even just near it), even if only for a fraction of a second, it's probably possible to make a device that reads the magnetic fields. Maybe like a phone-sized board full of a couple hundred hall effect sensors. Since keys tend to lay flat against the inside of a pocket, all you would need to do is wave the device near the person's pocket containing the key, read the data it gives you, and you can create a copy of the key. And if you do it right, they wouldn't even know any better! It would be faster than pickpocketing.
I Loove the Disc Detainer lock 🤩
Wow they are amazing ash mate Great demonstration awesome video👍👊😊😎🇬🇧
This is cool because we have these guys innovating lock mechanisms like Chubb did make in the day. All we need is the lock makers to actually invest in making locks better. But if they can be lazy and sell outdated designs they will as long as their customers don't demand the better locks
Those kind of clever tricks were the reason I loved the Challenge Locks serios of BosnianBill. It was unfortunate that most challengers begun sending comercial locks with security pins, which wasn't interesting to most people. There were still some amaizing gems though. I'd love to see more interesting lock designs if you ever think of making a series out of it!
Fantastically cool designs 😎 this is the innovation the lock world needs
that's honnestly brilliant ! love the simplicity YET complexity of it ! genious ! how would picking such a lock would work for the magnet ones?
Very interesting designs, but the term simple isn't an accurate term for the complexity of all the moving parts that go into making these work so well. Although the end result seems such a simple concept. There's a lot of genius in these designs that definitely make picking them much more complicated. I think final production models will have to consider hardened materials that make destroying the lock very difficult, since picking complexity wouldn't make fast exploitation of the lock as viable as cutting or drilling them,to gain access. Which would make covert exploits, very difficult without specialized equipment, specifically for the magnetic locks.
Nice locks, interesting designs
Have a great day
the puzzle you mentioned ash (at least the version i had) was called a WHIP-IT.
Six discs with five positions is not 6^5 = 7776, it's 5^6 = 15,625 possible combinations. That'll keep you busy!
The word your looking for is elegant
Remind me to walk around with a giant magnet in my pocket
This kind of simple is a very, very good thing! Nothing more to take away.
Absolutely genius
Agreed!!
@@LockNoob do you have any of the files? I think I'm going to try to print some normal 5,6, pin Locks but can use real pins if I can get it to do like I want and work perfectly that would be awesome bring more people to lock sports bc it would at least get training Locks cheap bc yeah I can get training Locks cheap less than $10 but they are the cheap see thru and you out grow them fast and everyone else can't get access to those and all the others are high and turns people away it almost did to me but it was you and lawyer that kept me in it and practicing yall have no idea the impact yall had on me and I thank you so much for that keep doing what you doing especially now bc I'm having to buy everything over again bc my cars and man cave got broken into and everything got stolen along with all my rd stuff and half my tools smh and watching yall kept me going and rebuild so thanks from the heart
Elegant would probably be what you're looking for when you say simple isn't the right word. In description of a mechanism elegance implies the absence of needless over complication.
I could watch that mechanism all day too, hypnotising. Cool video 👍
Hmmm, brass lock picking tools - but how do you "attract" those rollers?
I wonder wether it would be possible to vary the distances of the magnets in the key from the surface of the key to make locks that require specific amounts of magnetic pull
Very Nice!
I feel like any lock that has a key with direct interaction with the internals, isnt unpickable, as much as it would just be very time consuming.
The magnetic ones though? Holy crap lol. You would need a key with small electomagnets in each position and then toggle them all on and off with a controller or something
I can see a way however... Tension it a bit, then an electronic circuit could run through all the possible combinations very quickly; probably a few seconds for the number of magnets shown here, until you get an open. Would be a tricky build however, and probably expensive, so would be much more secure than most current designs. Really nice to see new ideas!
brilliant!
Really interesting vlog, well explained too. What an educational video, and full credit to the designers and the use of 3D printing to such a high quality. Now Ash, have you picked any of them yet?
Glad you enjoyed it! And helllllllll no, these locks are not only beyond my skills, they are 3D printed in PLA so can’t take the abuse. It’s MAYBE possible to decode the magnetic lock using a probe with depth markers and a small magnet glued to the end, but it would take a lot of time and even then I’m not sure
Super interesting my friend
Thank you! Cheers!
I love to see new designs, thanks for making this video
amazing!
I think the word you were looking for was elegant.
Have you successfully picked it yet?
Thats a 24 Pin Padlock...
(i pickt yesterday my first real lock with 5 normal pins) and imagine you combine the two prototypes xD
WOW!
If only the big name brands would buy these inventors' patents and market them at the level where we don't have to watch the inventors struggle for decades and go out of business over and over again.
How long before new tools are on the market to by pass the key?
6^5 = 7776. It's a really cool lock. But I really like the magnet lock. I would like to build a 3 "pin" version. Looks like a lot of fun.
Except it's not 6^5. There are six discs with five positions each, which is 5^6. Much more impressive!
Very nice prints. Those rods are hard to print correctly.
I need these for my house lol
Rubiks cube? 6:45
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Magnetic locks….. meh, I can see metal filings and other trash sticking to them.
Disc lock….. Holy Crap that’s amazing!!
I hadn't even thought about that with the magnetic locks. That would definitely be an issue. Drop your magnetic key on the ground, and suddenly it has a ton of iron sand and junk stuck to them which (if you've ever played with those neodymium magnets before) you'll know is really annoying to remove.
@@khriss556 Yup. I carry a Swick pocket pick set daily as a backup for my regular pick set. The tension wrenches on the outside of the Swick are held in place with those little neodymium magnets. I have to clean the thing every now and then to get rid of the metal particles that accumulate.
Can ya pick it?
Super
lets just ask ai to redesign the lock and be over with it
Cool stuff, really loving the DD lock. Thanks fo sharing Ash and have a great week.