It's kind of fascinating how right and wrong Star Wars Theory can be at the same time... As the great philosopher, Bilbo Baggins, would probably say: He's consistently inconsistent.
He’s in the unfortunate predicament of being a Star Wars channel when the franchise is disintegrating in real time and he’s kinda stuck in the middle of appealing to the few people still care to watch and the few people invested enough to hate it. It’s a no win scenario so he has to talk out of both ends of his mouth.
@@2ndRodeo_KeziahI mean, given that he seems to have next to no idea what Mauler's actual opinions are, I'd hazard that he isn't aware of the EFAP coverage beyond someone telling him that they covered him and disagreed with him.
In his last jedi review mauler said he gets as good as he gives, and he expects the same from his peers. Mauler was always willing to be a bro, and I'd hazard to guess he would be willing to be a bro with any of any other interlocutors. So mad respect to SWT to be able to put his feelings aside and hear out maulers opinions and facts and find the middle ground.
Not really, awards have been exposed a long time ago as just cronyism, panhandling and virtue signalling. Garbage like Kenobi being nominated and winning anything just confirms and supports that these awards are bogus. I sort of remember even longer ago when Samuel L Jackson kind of put the first nail on those coffins by saying that when voting, he received a list and just picked things his friends were involved in.
Tlou2 “beat” ghosts of Tsushima at game awards…lots of examples of indefensible decisions made by shills for an ideology that claim to care about media…
Me tuning in to the latest Disney Star Wars TV show: Ahh yes, I am truly a wine-drinking movie snob. Yes. My tastes are so outside the mainstream that only the biggest entertainment company on earth can put out a show that appeals to me. Lol I know he and Mauler are getting along now, but it's still rather funny to hear him describe a Star Wars show as something for fancy people.
I'm not sure if they are Bro's now. From what I can tell Maulers interest got increasingly less with each new Grift. I assume Mauler hoped for some good viewpoints from SWTs side, but their very first interaction SWT had nothing to offer and also evaded Maulers point at any opportunity. I think, and hope, that the two never interact with another ever again.
I'm very glad the follow up conversation happened. The way Mauler managed to converse with someone who he had been opposed to a number of times, and do so on a respectful manner, to the point of bringing him over, is truly amazing
The budget argument infuriates me, because so many well-written shows have been made for the same amount of money as Obi-Wan was or less. Hell, Arcane was made for about $90 million, the same budget as Obi-Wan, and the difference between Arcane and Obi-Wan is staggering. It's not the amount of money that makes or breaks a show. Stop with this nonsense.
Disney consistently proves that simply throwing money at creative endeavors is just gasoline to dumpster fires. It's about the people doing the creative endeavor. And they have some of the worst possible people in charge of those.
The budget argument is made in terms of we could have better writers, directors, DPs, etc with higher budgets. But thats not only budget but also finding the right people.
After watching Star Grift, I have found that Rags nailed it from the get go. STW is childish. He's a passionate, decent human being, but the way he views Star Wars, writing, and the surrounding discourse is incredibly naive.
When he's ranting about Andor for example, I understand where he's coming from. Like me, assuming he's around the same age, we grew up with the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. There's that childlike nostalgia that he wants star wars to return to. Stuff like Andor, while being a good show, doesn't really hit the same as seeing RotS in theaters when you're 10 years old.
video request: the recent efap subplot of fringy predicting that a specific shot from the The Marvels trailer was showing the villain of the movie being defeated (reacting to the marvels trailer), and then the confirmation that he was correct (near the beginning of efap #257)
"Andor is for art school mustachio wearing cheese snobs." LOL okay. It's just a good show that's mostly well-written, with characters and a mostly understandable plot, making it stand out as a complete anomaly in the early 2020s franchise projects. I know that SWT has watched other things, but saying something like this makes me think he literally only watched Star Wars and nothing else.
I think theory is more upset that they'd give shows like Andor and She Hulk a decent budget which shows that the people in charge WANT these shows to succeed from the beginning while a show like Kenobi should have been given everything it would ever need to make sure it flourishes and out shines the sequel trilogy.
@@XD_cRiMeScEnE I guess. I'd say that my ideal Kenobi show would be much more low budget than it already was. I think all the budgets are blown out of proportion, but I can see the reasoning behind the other two having bigger budgets based on the requirements of subject matter.
I won't lie I got pretty frustrated during the Star Wars Theory section of 256. Something about the guy who cried at seeing Luke Skinwalker in Mando season 2 now acting like things aren't looking good just got under my skin. I am very happy that he and Longman talked it out later on, but man something about SWT's arguments seem like mad cope for finally realizing he's surrounded by endless trash while simultaneously shilling for Favreau and Filoni. Ultimately it came down to SWT being more optimistic than some of us feel is necessary.
You spotted him showing his true self. His dislike for Andor because it showed him what potential is being wasted for all the other shows. He despises that show because it broke the narrative of the Disney formula of “some dialogue and 2-3 mandated action scenes”. When he said “I’m tired of being nice”, this was him taking off his Nice Guy TH-camr Persona and telling us his true feelings. And he’s ugly. He wants to go back to when he could just be a happy caveman about Star Wars, but he can’t. And his brain can’t fathom the why.
@@nhagan001 There's a part of me that wants to feel pity cause he's finally reading the room but the whole thing of SWT realizing that Star Wars is basically dead insults me. I already left most of the Star Wars TH-cam sphere when EFAP was properly getting started and I don't feel bad at all. I want to see Star Wars do well too but SWT, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo and so on are the reason we're stuck in a mire of hogshit. I'm sorry but I genuinely do not believe SWT is in ANY position to complain when he kept praising Filoni and still argued he should be in charge after Ahsoka. I hope SWT does well and all, I don't want to constantly laugh at his failings like Quinton, but good God...
@@JiJ1511 I feel the exact same way about SWT. He keeps telling us that Dave and Filioni are the only ones that can save Star Wars. That someone else was ALWAYS interfering. It must be Kathleen Kennedy! It couldn’t be that they’re just shit writers. It makes me chuckle every time. You would think the biggest Star Wars channels would be the ones rallying for the best content. But y’all making EFAP look like hipsters because they have to say “we called it shit before it was popular to do so!”
SWT is a self-made shill who doesn't even get paid for it. He fawned over Filoni for years, then talked to Mauler and passively nodded along with everything he said, including that Filoni is trash, then when FIloni was announced to be the new head of all things star wars, went right back to fawning over him. The man is Eric Butts with slightly more control over his tear ducts. Modern star wars would never get away with being so bad for so long if it wasn't for people like him.
Maybe you are more pessimistic and argumentative and critical than any human would need to be. Especially one who tries to find happiness... Wait what's that?
Theory was kind of growing on me a bit (in that I wanted to hope he was starting to realize/understand foundational storytelling concepts), but after the last Star Grift I'm left frustrated and apathetic to Theory's endeavors. For the grand finale of Star Grift we were going to have an extravaganza of fun going over the great, not so great and the Jar Jar of it all in the Prequel trilogy! Huzzah! Such fun and riveting conversations about the characters and contrasting the prequels reception to modern Disney Star Wars. Oh my gosh this is going to be great; Mauler and Ryan both took time out of their (very busy) schedules to rewatch the prequels in advance! And what do those excited fans receive? Theory didn't watch them and they talked about the prequels for maybe 30 minutes or so, 60% of that time just appreciating the Obi Wan/Maul fight in Phantom Menace. Which was fun... Then we just kind of read superchats for the remaining 2.5 hours and go out, not with a bang, but merely the echo of a whisper "What could have been.".
I hear ya. I too was looking forward to a multiple hour geek out, debates, nostalgia, laughs. I expected at least a list of talking points for such a special episode but no. I understand that everyone has a lot of work outside the Grift but if you're gonna do it, do it right or don't do it at all. I guess we're getting the latter either way
That show did just seem like a fundraiser for Theory. All he ever contributed to it was reading the super chats. None of the discussions were ever interesting form his part.
That the difference between people that actually care about Star Wars and the common SW Fan. SWT can only talk about his own fan theories and his past memories, he's the type that repeats entire wiki entries and understands none of it's contents.
which was weird cause at 1st I would argue the podcast was great and theory was a much more heavily involved in the convos but I think after getting canceled for a take that wasn't even he dialed it back
MauLer: As for Sam Witwer, I'd need to see what Sam Wiwer would write - has he got writing credits for anything? Yes, but as far as I know, the only writing credits he has are as a contributing writer on a couple of recent D&D source books. I'm not sure even how much he wrote in them, just that he was a contributor and not the main author. Otherwise, he likes to do voices in cartoons and videogames, but not usually as a main character. Not even much else as far as acting, anymore. He was in a season of Supergirl. Before that, it's periodic one-offs for the past decade. He's just living a relatively comfortable life mostly off of residuals. He does love Star Wars and voices as much of it as they'll allow him to, with his primary credits for the past decade being Voice of Maul, Voice of Palpatine, and Add'l Voices. He wouldn't exactly be my first pick to "run Star Wars."
Sam Witwer has an encyclopaedic knowledge of star wars, a deep understanding of the themes, characters, morals, nuances and influences, and he can voice act with the best of them, but that doesn't mean you can run a franchise. He should be brought on as a lore master, as I think he'd be able to keep someone on track but I'm not sure about his creative vision
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Please provide references and examples. I haven't found them and, if anything, have found that he's been infected with Filonitisms.
@@MasterIceyy I feel like this can be said of many people, including Filoni, which doesn't mean they'd be good for running things. So, I'll agree to your conclusion. At best, allow him more involvement and see what that results in. I have yet to hear any reasoning from Theory as to why he at all thinks Witwer should (or would even want to) just have the whole thing thrown in his lap beyond thinking he's a cool dude. And, to be clear, we don't seem to be talking about making him a lore master. The suggestion is that he be given more of a Feige role, running both the business and guiding the stories - something that Feige himself is failing at, now that he doesn't have experienced and proven people supporting him or making things for him. These are really two separate roles. I don't know that the new DCU will be successful, but that's the way it should be set up, with Gunn running the stories and Safran running the business, as I understand it. All the talk of replacing KK is of replacing a business person with a creative person. I agree that she's terrible at her job, but she's not the one writing the stories. They do need someone to oversee that, which sounds like that's what Filoni's new position is. If they announced tomorrow that Witwer is now in charge of any aspect of Lucasfilm at any level, I'd be surprised and have questions, but I'd say give him a chance and see what happens. But it's not even on the same level as how we're frequently confused recently how people get jobs just writing or directing a single big movie or series after having only a single indy film under their belt - but they still do have that experience of doing an indy film. Witwer has obviously been on sets and many actors have made the transition to roles behind the camera, but he doesn't even have that and the suggestion is to just put him in charge of everything. Could it work? Sure, it's possible. But there's no indication that it should. It seems absurd and like he's being set up to fail. His name os being put out there to run the whole business and the reason given is that he knows Star Wars lore.
The legends stories revolving around the Skywalker/Solo families and the new Jedi Academy with Luke as Grandmaster should have been what the next step in star wars - instead we got crap.
Remember in 2019, when Game of Thrones was talked about for being the most expensive show ever? Kenobi has the same budget and is by far the least expensive SW/MCU show made. She-Hulk had more than twice its budget and looks like a bad joke. WTF happened? Andor apparently had the record-breaking $250m budget for a show... geez that's a lot... but at least it looks amazing in comparison to all other D+ shit.
1:13 In Star Wars fandom lore we know about the former scripts for what would eventually become A New Hope. Sounding and feeling in places wildly different from how we know them, naming characters and concepts we would only see realized up until the Prequels, and some of the artworks by Ralph McQuarrie voicing some of those early concepts have given them a bit of a legend of their own. In 2014, Dark Horse comics and J. W. Rinzler rebuilt some of those scripts and adapted them into a what-if comic book series, and it is rumored (though very faintly) that Disney-Lucasfilms might be considering taking a gander at that themselves (as an animated series? I don't remember) . If they decide to make a series out of that, that might actually be the most important series for them to make, because it would be the closest they could get at trying to reboot or remake all of SW in a feasibly legal way (as far as what audiences and fans would say, cuz, you know, "TeChNiCaLlY iT iSn'T sTaR wArS", I can picture them saying). It would be (literally) tampering with Lucas' vision, down to the very intimate stumbling of his infant concept, a sacred ground for any artistic work, and could even open up the posibility for them to craft a new Star Wars of their own, a new universe without a lore stumbling in the way of their vision, a perfect self serving product. It's borderline history revisionism, and I don't even think they're smart enough to know that they can just do that. But, in itself, the historical importance of something like that is not to be understated. And the funniest thing about this is that, when the comic was made, it was just for fun. Homaging fun, reverent fun. The stakes have escalated so hard since 2015 that there's no way for them to make this without stakes or consequence. This, and a legit attempt at a Heir To The Empire adaptation is the biggest stuff they could undertake.
Anyone watching post Star Grift podcast ? If I watched this prior I wouldn’t have been surprised when the podcast ended so early. Mauler is just on a different level when it comes to the comprehension movies and Tv. SWT just couldn’t keep up sadly.
Its not a matter of keeping up and more so SWT couldn't do bare minimum standard of keeping a subject up in star grift. It went from talking star wars to talking about superchats mostly with some star wars in between.
Fringys laugh sounds like mental illness. Man he’s lucky he’s smart and has good things to say sometimes…I particularly liked his playthrough (and the subsequent episode of efap) of Soma….made me buy the game finally. Sad that they scooped me, I had kind of a similar idea for a story that I now feel I can’t write because it’s too similar to the concepts in Soma and I was thinking about it for literal years…but tbf they probably did it better than I could have…
I think he understands the fundamentals. But isn’t up to the idea of expanding the galaxy with not just Jedi and sith as other characters can be memorable
My favorite part of the collabs is SWT’s blank stares , the random defensive takes of him paying more attention to X than the conversation , and his completely disconnected responses .
it's kind of amazing how much the background of the video looks like the background of RLM's The Nerd Crew. Part of me always thought they over did it with the satire but then I remember that the people they were actually parodying are even worse.
Theory’s point wasn’t full of shit as you did not understand it to begin with. He didn’t mean literally the budget was the problem. He meant that before they even started creating the show, they had a shitty half ass attitude about it by deciding the budget. That was his point! The horrible decisions started with the budget and then just kept going!
@@-Kidzin But Mauler didn't convince Theory of anything. The dude has the same opinions he did in this video... It's just weird to drag him in this video, then do a podcast with him when nothing changed between the two videos.
@@akashajones6079I watched Maulers first "debate" with SWT. Well I was hoping for a debate, but SWT had no argument, no insights, no informations. He's literally a consumer. The one time SWT could have changed my mind. And he failed.
@@TurKlack the man literally preaches how different opinions make the world turn, he doesnt care of people dissagree with him, he welcomes it, if you dont agree with that than fine but dont act like he is obligated to convince you of anything, like him or dont, it doesnt matter
I mean, I like that Mauler gets along with everybody despite professional differences, but damn, I really hope the ongoing collab with SWT is profitable.. he‘s so unbearable smug and his ever changing opinions and approaches are so annoying.
I have no idea what SWT means when he says "Quite frankly, I'm the only one that's doin' it." Everything I come up with just doesn't fit the statement as even remotely accurate. Also, I'm sorry, it's nice that he and MauLer are in conversations and building a friendship, now, but watching those conversations has only made me more convinced that SWT is just a child in an adult's body. I don't understand the appeal.
@@JordanForan2019 When I saw this in my notifications, I thought it would have been in response to a different comment. I'm actually not sure what the relevancy of the question is for this comment. However, I may answer something along the lines that Star Wars is a fantastic universe full of interesting and relatable characters that experience meaningful, personal journeys through life, surrounded by a mix of fantasy and scifi elements that make up a richly diverse world of inhabitants, social- and ecosystems, beliefs, abilities, and technologies. At its heart, it's about characters that we can relate to and learn from. It's become less so, over time, to be much more about ill-conceived spectacle and references.
@@alexhayden219 That's what you see it as but George never saw it like that he saw Jedi and sith in stories for reasons as he viewed them as important features to the franchise like the Delorean is to back to the future. But that does not mean I am attacking your view just to say it's not what any fan wants it to be as we are fans we create theories and watch them but he created it and that's what his movies are about to him.
@@JordanForan2019 As far as I know, George never said "Star Wars is about lightsabers, Jedi, Sith, and hollow spectacle." Rather, he repeatedly said it was about the story and characters and themes, following the hero's journey, and being inspirational to young people. If you watch his movies, it's about the fall and rise of a specific family and their influence on the galaxy, specifically about redemption. However, he approved many stories not having much to do with Jedi or Sith and also had his own hand in such stories, citing his own favorite episode of TCW that he personally conceived of and pitched as A Sunny Day in the Void, an episode that had nothing to do with the above mentioned "Star Wars definitives." While he's been mostly tight lipped on much of what Disney's done and how he feels about most specific projects, it's fairly well known that he looks favorably on Rogue One. So, no. George was much more interested in the characters and the story and expanded the world. The Jedi and Sith, but specifically the Skywalkers, were the focus of the movies, but they aren't the end-all, be-all even to George Lucas. They're important to the fate of the galaxy, but Star Wars is much _much_ more than that. Even just speaking on visuals, Star Wars has an entire recognizable aesthetic of the world that feels off or wrong when it's not followed. I'm sure you meant it as hyperbole, but "it's not what any fan wants" simply isn't true, as I am a fan and many fans are quite happy with Star Wars stories not featuring them (not to say they don't want them at all, because of course they are cool). Finally, while BTTF is another one of my all-time favorite movies/franchises, it's really not that comparable. It's a much more localized world that basically has 3 main characters, always takes place in the same town, and is very specifically about these two guys time travelling. Anything outside of that is just the real world. Even so, the Delorean is an iconic piece of that, but the series could have continued - and _potentially_ been fine - after the Delorean had been destroyed on the train tracks, then featuring Doc and his family on the time-train.
@@alexhayden219 Mythical Archetypes: Lucas drew inspiration from various mythological and archetypal sources, such as Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces." In many mythological stories, there are characters who represent wisdom, guardianship, and spiritual guidance, akin to the role of the Jedi in Star Wars. Central Conflict: The conflict between the Jedi and the Sith forms the central narrative tension of the Star Wars saga. This dichotomy between the light and dark sides of the Force provides a rich backdrop for exploring themes of good versus evil, redemption, and the struggle for balance. Narrative Cohesion: By focusing on the Jedi Order, Lucas created a cohesive narrative thread that runs through the entire saga. The Jedi serve as a unifying element, connecting the various storylines and characters across different films and media. Character Development: Many of the main characters in Star Wars are Jedi or have ties to the Jedi Order, such as Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Their journeys as Jedi play a significant role in their character development and arcs throughout the saga. Iconic Symbolism: Lightsabers, the Force, and the Jedi themselves have become iconic symbols of the Star Wars franchise. These elements have captured the imagination of fans around the world and have become synonymous with the series. Overall, George Lucas's decision to focus the Star Wars saga around the Jedi was instrumental in shaping the universe and mythology of the franchise, providing a compelling framework for storytelling and exploration of timeless themes.
😂 Its hilarious how the guy claims that there wasnt enough money, when the show *Godzilla Minus One* was greatly successful and look amazing despite only costing 10 million dollars to make.
No bro budget is 100% the problem. This is Walt Disney studios. You have THOUSANDS of expenses you couldn’t even dream of when you are an entity like that. Not to mention 10 shows/movies being made at the same time…
I think _Kenobi_ was probably the worst-looking live-action _Star Wars_ show… and I would blame that on the budget, not allowing the show to film on location 🤷🏻♂️
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 - every shot in _Kenobi_ looked like it was filmed in “the Volume,” but that the Volume was malfunctioning or something… the only decent shots I can think of are the ones on the Tatooine street set. even ones shot outside in the real world still looked cheap, like the Leia chase scene on Alderaan, or the boring California hill planet where Kenobi first saw Vader. I wouldn’t say _Ahsoka_ looked the best (that would go to _Andor)_ but even at their worst, the sets didn’t look distracting. the worst examples I can think of were one or two green screen shots on Corellia, and the forest on the spooky forest planet felt a little claustrophobic… everything else was pretty good. the physical sets were nice, and even the exterior daytime shots on Lothal and Corellia and Paridea looked nice. and this has more to do with effects than sets, but I don’t remember _Ahsoka_ having anything as embarrassing as the T-47 attacking the Inquisitor fortress 🤷🏻♂️
Nah I definitely agree that Obiwan was extremely important to get right. How much of the starwars audience grew up on the prequels? I’d say a massive portion at this point. This could have been a great way to rope in the prequel fans. They failed horribly. It didn’t seem like they gave it their all which is what he was getting at. Also the budget was important because some of it the visuals looked bad. The writing is more important but visuals matter with sci fi fantasy.
Without good writing and directing, visuals won't save a pile of shit no matter how much you spend on visuals. Andor could have survived with simpler visuals, based purely in the writing and directing
Filoni used to be really onto it with Clone Wars. But he jumped on the bandwagon of Disney waaaay too hard and basically fucked his own legacy. Clone Wars is one of those shows that people loved and really thought he'd maintain the spirit and level of quality that Clone Wars had, only to completely throw it down the gutter.
The problem with poor theory is that he's a genuine fan and a decent guy, but he's built his identity around nothing but Star Wars content, so he's pushed himself into a corner where he has no choice but to cope in defense of trash if he's going to review new content. Mauler and others can just reject the brand wholesale and watch other things. Theory is locked into a dying brand far past its prime.
I really didn't get a good impression off this video, but I'm glad MauLer talked to him in his own den. The Longman is a great diplomat when he wants to be, handled it great. I still don't agree with most of SWT's arguments or his reasoning, but I hope there's a budding relationship here like many others who have connected with the EFAP crew.
Honestly, I don't agree that budjets don't matter, since it shows where a studios attention is, and I think the point that he was making is more on the lines of they don't care this much about an OBI wan show which is way more important then a she-hulk show. But I guess IT could have been just badly stated arguments.
I watch Star Wars Theory and he makes valid points. I tired to watch this video but there are so many assumptions going on between the commenters that by the time they allow themselves to watch the whole video they are tearing into him for the same points they are ultimately agreeing on. Star Wars Theory is a real fan and he knows his stuff. These guys are giving somewhat decent commentary, but should watch more of the video before talking about "how wrong he is" and then 5 minutes later saying "oh now he realizes he was wrong and is backtracking to seem correct". No, you didn't watch the full clip, made assumptions, and you are now back peddling. Not a great commentary
Honestly, Last Jedi being about Luke giving up could have been better; I think what made that twist broken was when they wrote him to try and kill Kylo because of a vision; decades after he knew the damage his father caused to an entire generation of the Galaxy because of foresight visions of Padme dying. Like somebody should have edited that plot point and made it where Luke was betrayed in the middle of the night, and it wasn’t just Kylo, but three more apprentices that betrayed his new order. What a waste, seriously, all the themes of Last Jedi deserved better writing.
None of the shows should be important. What Lucasfilm needed to get right was 7,8 and 9. The Skywalker legacy is what was important and they failed that assignment
Yeah agreed. He basically caused the Canon/Legends split back before Disney took over with all the pointless retcons of Mandalore, Ventress, Barriss, etc.
Clearly not a movie/show/production expert. But I can see where he is coming from. He is clinging on to Filoni and Favereu because they are kind of the last hope of some kind of connection to George. As shit as it may be. Clinging on to threads that unfortunately just aren't there. We can just let it go. Who cares. Star Wars can just rot in the corner. But not for him. It's his whole life. He doesn't care if it's a good movie/show. He cares if it's "good Star Wars". If it is anything halfway decent with Sith vs Jedi with at least an attempt to respect George's story and characters. That's all that seems to matter to him. Tbh I would take it as well as this point.
The funny part is that, now that Star Wars Theory snapped and gave up on Disney Star Wars, he chatted with MauLer and they got along well enough that they've started a small weekly podcast.
@@joenelzayashe still has shit takes, he still shilled for Disney Star Wars and made massive amounts of cope videos to try and help the brand while they continued to not care about him. He deserves all the hate he gets for the shit he says. He literally still defends a lot of these takes to his day so yeah, he should definitely still get shat on and hate😂
@@joenelzayas”subtle hate for no reason”. Did we watch the same video? Hear the same comments from SWT, Mauler, Rags, and Fringy? Because one said was being a Massive Tism. The other side was point out the number of flaws in the Massive Tism’s logic.
@@JordanForan2019 take your head out of the sand and listen to SWT’s reasons for liking the trash of Live Action, but hating Andor. You’re calling US a cult for not liking the sludge of Star Wars. The irony is rich.
Omg I started watching his review in anticipation of hearing that this shit show should have never existed in the first place as it is HEAVILY insinuated in the OT that Vader and Obi never met between ep 3 and 4 ("The cycle is NOW complete. When I left you (ep 3) I was but the learnee. Now I am the master.") and definitely Leia never met him as her message in ep 4 doesnt come off as a message to an old friend but rather reaching out to a stranger that she heard could help the rebel alliance. So all this shit show does is further disrespect the OT and the prequels in many ways and I was looking forward to heart that. Instead he opens with budget discussions as if that is relevant (ever seen things like Buffy season 1 or games like Final Fantasy I? Greatness can manifest despite low budget...) and calls it the most important SW show...wtf? Closed the video after like 5 minutes and realized this dude and his followers do not resonate with me at all....
I agree with him on obi wan beiny the most important one but im looking at it is from the perspective of "if they absolutely HAVE to make this show, this is the show they NEED to not fuck up". mando, boba fett, or ashoka being terrible isnt that impactful on star wars as a whole. Obi wan and Darth Vader are main characters of over half the movies. People care about them on a whole other level than the others. It was the most important to do correctly. Unfortunately we all see how that went.
Absolutely agree!! I think the reason Mandalorian season 3 was so weak was because of Gina Corano getting fired, which screwed up the plans for Rangers of the New Republic. Because of that, SO MANY SUB PLOTS and ridiculous characters (Jack Black and Lizzo) were crammed into this season. It's too bad that The Book of Boba Fett was so sloopy as it could have been amazing. I will say that Deborah Chow is a great director as she directed one of my favorite Mandalorian episodes( 3 The Sin). I think she was manipulated by KK in screwing up Obi Wan. Anyway, God Bless and may the force be with you! Rest in peace Carl Weathers 😢
Godzilla Minus One had a budget of $15 mil. It looks like a great movie, and I can't wait to see it. I guarantee that it will be multiple times better than Kenobi despite costing so much less.
I saw it at an early screening last night. The low budget shows in a few places, but it's absolute proof that you don't need budget to write a great story. It's a really compelling drama, hope you enjoy it.
I personally like SWT and while I disagree with him at times you can’t deny he’s a die hard fan. He try’s to stay optimistic and I have no problem with that. His chat however are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever seen chat on a live stream. Like man it’s worse than watching a twitch streamer lol.
Efap crew talking about firing dav and jon brought that scene from the office to mind. The meme would be kevin being labeled as dave filoni, dwight would be Mauler, telling Dave to read the cake saying he is fired. Then the camera pans to Toby, labeled as Jon, saying "you cant do that" and then mauler dwight just hands him a cake too lol. Sorry, dumb thought
SWT thinks he's an authority. That's why he says he notices things, the only one doing it, the sly arrogance behind his suggestions. He has a big head, that movie he made was cool, he knows the lore, he's read the "stuff", he has a rep (for whatever that's worth), cool momentos, he's definitely added to the fandom but he really let it go to his ego a bit. He's read the extended lore, so he thinks he's the guy due to nerdisms.
With the additional context of the per episode budget of Kenobi averaging out to the same budget as Godzilla -1.0, it’s even more of a disgrace and eradicates the excuse of the effects not looking good because the budget was too low.
u guys are kinda grilling for no reason without watching the video, "hes realising" he literally talking about the topic like u guys he hasnt given a full point yet
If they got 20 million... that laser fence would have connected to a wall.... 19mil ... fence out in the middle of nowhere that you can clearly go around.
People were so desperate for any sort of good Star Wars after the sequel trilogy that when mandolorian came out the shit looked like citizen fucking Kane by comparison
People like Star Wars theory can be easily summed up with “duuuuhh no lightsabers! Bad show!” While drooling profusely. They claim the opposite but it’s pretty obvious when they hate any show without lightsabers.
the most important show should be something that set up the sequel trilogy and change the public perception of them for disney lukes failed new jedi order, the new republic, imperial remnant becoming the first order etc
Hard to beleive you guys spoke so civally after this roasting. Theory just needs a guiding hand, his love for star wars makes it hard for him to review the whole of favreau-filonis work objectively. Hes always been hopeful and always tried to justify optimism whereas you guys are realistic. He loves the prequels, he loves George, you guys dont even like return of the jedi so it kinda makes sense that you dont share a vision of what star wars should be and what makes it such shit now. But in the end we all agree its a tragic tale of wasted potential..
At this point He cares more about making money off Star Wars then he cares about Star Wars ……he thinks he’s like the ultimate Star Wars fan and some Star Wars guru …he’s memorized a lot of stuff about Star Wars but he actually understands it on a very juvenile surface level and has a very closed minded view on what it is and should be and is only interested in a small part of this huge universe and doesn’t think any other story’s should be explored……(he’s really a big dipshit)
Andor is boring is such is a reta tarded take. Can't believe they actually showed a story. Star Wars "fans" deserve everything they get if they can't see good why should they receive it?
@@VinnieMF My comment sure was a bit extra. It is more than fine to find it boring, it just feels like a lot of SW fans use "boring" when they actually mean i want lightsaber go vuush.
@@BehindThePringles "Star Wars incels"? With condescending pricks like you coming up with terms like that, it's little wonder it's the most toxic fandom. I am a Star Wars fan and am certainly not an "incel" and it's a series that goes back generations. Don't be so insulting for the sake of being an asshole.
@starwarstheory has proven consistently he's not a starwars fan he's a starwars consumer and more so a starwars grifter that depends on starwars product to consume for his livelihood...you don't like andor???!....that nonsense alone makes my point.
SWT: “Why does Andor get such a higher budget than Obi-Wan Kenobi?” MauLer: “Cause it’s great.” 😐 Was he not arguing that budget had nothing to do with either show’s quality multiple times before?
Ignoring the obvious (luke & leia stuff, video games, etc), i think the most "important" time period for star wars with a lot of empty space would be the 10 years between episode 1 & 2. Just focus on someone other than obi wan and anakin, like yadel or ki adi mundi or something.
“Loyal to the brand” is literally a Nerd Crew joke I can’t believe he actually said this unironically 😂😂😂
It's kind of fascinating how right and wrong Star Wars Theory can be at the same time... As the great philosopher, Bilbo Baggins, would probably say: He's consistently inconsistent.
Just as nature intended humans to be. Vulcans on the other hand are just smug bastards, but not without merit.
He’s a walking contradiction. Everything he says contradicts what he previously says. It’s crazy mental gymnastics.
Consistently inconsistent. Yeah, I can relate.
Seems like a decent dude though.
He’s in the unfortunate predicament of being a Star Wars channel when the franchise is disintegrating in real time and he’s kinda stuck in the middle of appealing to the few people still care to watch and the few people invested enough to hate it. It’s a no win scenario so he has to talk out of both ends of his mouth.
This is funnier now that theory and Mauler are bros
Funny how life works out like that!
Gotta give SWT props for not having hard feelings. Good on both of them for being grownups and showing such civility. 👏😁
@@2ndRodeo_KeziahI mean, given that he seems to have next to no idea what Mauler's actual opinions are, I'd hazard that he isn't aware of the EFAP coverage beyond someone telling him that they covered him and disagreed with him.
In his last jedi review mauler said he gets as good as he gives, and he expects the same from his peers. Mauler was always willing to be a bro, and I'd hazard to guess he would be willing to be a bro with any of any other interlocutors. So mad respect to SWT to be able to put his feelings aside and hear out maulers opinions and facts and find the middle ground.
@@KaNoMikoProductions possibly
But eating cheese, and talking about the Renaissance, is the only joy I have in life.
so true
Me too. We should hook up.
I see you, too, are a man of culture.
Are you a wine 🍷 guy too?
Love that memory
I'd also like to say that it's depressing how many awards Kenobi both got nominated for and won.
Not really, awards have been exposed a long time ago as just cronyism, panhandling and virtue signalling. Garbage like Kenobi being nominated and winning anything just confirms and supports that these awards are bogus. I sort of remember even longer ago when Samuel L Jackson kind of put the first nail on those coffins by saying that when voting, he received a list and just picked things his friends were involved in.
Tlou2 “beat” ghosts of Tsushima at game awards…lots of examples of indefensible decisions made by shills for an ideology that claim to care about media…
*Bought and "won"
Me tuning in to the latest Disney Star Wars TV show: Ahh yes, I am truly a wine-drinking movie snob. Yes. My tastes are so outside the mainstream that only the biggest entertainment company on earth can put out a show that appeals to me.
Lol I know he and Mauler are getting along now, but it's still rather funny to hear him describe a Star Wars show as something for fancy people.
I’m from the future and I have bad news about Star grift…
Screw wine, boonesfarm headaches are terrible…
I'm not sure if they are Bro's now. From what I can tell Maulers interest got increasingly less with each new Grift.
I assume Mauler hoped for some good viewpoints from SWTs side, but their very first interaction SWT had nothing to offer and also evaded Maulers point at any opportunity.
I think, and hope, that the two never interact with another ever again.
Due to MauLer's follow-up conversation with SWT, there is now a companion video to this one. Watch it here: th-cam.com/video/FmcQi-072Yc/w-d-xo.html
Don bless.
@@Amarenamann*Don Eladio
^.-.^ *gibs* 🍕🍕
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon *monch*
I'm very glad the follow up conversation happened. The way Mauler managed to converse with someone who he had been opposed to a number of times, and do so on a respectful manner, to the point of bringing him over, is truly amazing
Watching this after Star Grift Mondays is now a thing, hits different.
How about now that it’s cancelled…?
@@EmptyAltruism Is it back to the old way? Or does it now hit a new third way?
lol your guess is as good as mine…
@@bad-people6510 it has in fact stopped hitting all together
@@leo-prime91maybe its like a tsunami, it wont hit now but give it a few minutes and its gonna hit so incredibly hard
The budget argument infuriates me, because so many well-written shows have been made for the same amount of money as Obi-Wan was or less. Hell, Arcane was made for about $90 million, the same budget as Obi-Wan, and the difference between Arcane and Obi-Wan is staggering.
It's not the amount of money that makes or breaks a show. Stop with this nonsense.
Disney consistently proves that simply throwing money at creative endeavors is just gasoline to dumpster fires. It's about the people doing the creative endeavor. And they have some of the worst possible people in charge of those.
@@Oakshield2Iger wants more executives to oversee more projects.
Well it literally is money BECAUSE ITS WALT DISNEY STUDIOS
The budget argument is made in terms of we could have better writers, directors, DPs, etc with higher budgets. But thats not only budget but also finding the right people.
Ya I don’t understand what these people are talking about.
After watching Star Grift, I have found that Rags nailed it from the get go. STW is childish. He's a passionate, decent human being, but the way he views Star Wars, writing, and the surrounding discourse is incredibly naive.
When he's ranting about Andor for example, I understand where he's coming from. Like me, assuming he's around the same age, we grew up with the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith. There's that childlike nostalgia that he wants star wars to return to. Stuff like Andor, while being a good show, doesn't really hit the same as seeing RotS in theaters when you're 10 years old.
Filoni can't respect the character HE MADE.
Nah Ahsoka is goated
@@staraptorflock3661 you are objectively wrong.
@@haku8135 Ashoka the White carried the show
@@staraptorflock3661 Yes, like a prostitute carries herpes.
He should have killed her off, but he can't bring himself to do it. He'll have her ascend to force godhood or some mary sue BS
video request: the recent efap subplot of fringy predicting that a specific shot from the The Marvels trailer was showing the villain of the movie being defeated (reacting to the marvels trailer), and then the confirmation that he was correct (near the beginning of efap #257)
Rags also predicted a space Katana would be summoned from the ether in Ashoka lol. A predictions edit would be fantastic
Adjusted for inflation, A New Hope had a budget of 11 million. But 90 million is pennies for your star wars show. Okay fam
"Andor is for art school mustachio wearing cheese snobs."
LOL okay. It's just a good show that's mostly well-written, with characters and a mostly understandable plot, making it stand out as a complete anomaly in the early 2020s franchise projects.
I know that SWT has watched other things, but saying something like this makes me think he literally only watched Star Wars and nothing else.
I think theory is more upset that they'd give shows like Andor and She Hulk a decent budget which shows that the people in charge WANT these shows to succeed from the beginning while a show like Kenobi should have been given everything it would ever need to make sure it flourishes and out shines the sequel trilogy.
@@XD_cRiMeScEnE I guess. I'd say that my ideal Kenobi show would be much more low budget than it already was.
I think all the budgets are blown out of proportion, but I can see the reasoning behind the other two having bigger budgets based on the requirements of subject matter.
He doesn’t like it because there’s not enough glowy stick fights for his caveman consumer brain
@@alexhayden219Kenobi should have based off the book or comics.
@@fancyelk2373 “L” take. If you don’t like light sabers then you don’t like Star Wars! Go play somewhere else.
I won't lie I got pretty frustrated during the Star Wars Theory section of 256. Something about the guy who cried at seeing Luke Skinwalker in Mando season 2 now acting like things aren't looking good just got under my skin. I am very happy that he and Longman talked it out later on, but man something about SWT's arguments seem like mad cope for finally realizing he's surrounded by endless trash while simultaneously shilling for Favreau and Filoni. Ultimately it came down to SWT being more optimistic than some of us feel is necessary.
You spotted him showing his true self.
His dislike for Andor because it showed him what potential is being wasted for all the other shows.
He despises that show because it broke the narrative of the Disney formula of “some dialogue and 2-3 mandated action scenes”.
When he said “I’m tired of being nice”, this was him taking off his Nice Guy TH-camr Persona and telling us his true feelings.
And he’s ugly. He wants to go back to when he could just be a happy caveman about Star Wars, but he can’t.
And his brain can’t fathom the why.
@@nhagan001 There's a part of me that wants to feel pity cause he's finally reading the room but the whole thing of SWT realizing that Star Wars is basically dead insults me. I already left most of the Star Wars TH-cam sphere when EFAP was properly getting started and I don't feel bad at all. I want to see Star Wars do well too but SWT, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo and so on are the reason we're stuck in a mire of hogshit.
I'm sorry but I genuinely do not believe SWT is in ANY position to complain when he kept praising Filoni and still argued he should be in charge after Ahsoka. I hope SWT does well and all, I don't want to constantly laugh at his failings like Quinton, but good God...
@@JiJ1511 I feel the exact same way about SWT. He keeps telling us that Dave and Filioni are the only ones that can save Star Wars.
That someone else was ALWAYS interfering. It must be Kathleen Kennedy! It couldn’t be that they’re just shit writers.
It makes me chuckle every time. You would think the biggest Star Wars channels would be the ones rallying for the best content.
But y’all making EFAP look like hipsters because they have to say “we called it shit before it was popular to do so!”
SWT is a self-made shill who doesn't even get paid for it. He fawned over Filoni for years, then talked to Mauler and passively nodded along with everything he said, including that Filoni is trash, then when FIloni was announced to be the new head of all things star wars, went right back to fawning over him.
The man is Eric Butts with slightly more control over his tear ducts. Modern star wars would never get away with being so bad for so long if it wasn't for people like him.
Maybe you are more pessimistic and argumentative and critical than any human would need to be. Especially one who tries to find happiness... Wait what's that?
Theory was kind of growing on me a bit (in that I wanted to hope he was starting to realize/understand foundational storytelling concepts), but after the last Star Grift I'm left frustrated and apathetic to Theory's endeavors. For the grand finale of Star Grift we were going to have an extravaganza of fun going over the great, not so great and the Jar Jar of it all in the Prequel trilogy! Huzzah! Such fun and riveting conversations about the characters and contrasting the prequels reception to modern Disney Star Wars. Oh my gosh this is going to be great; Mauler and Ryan both took time out of their (very busy) schedules to rewatch the prequels in advance! And what do those excited fans receive? Theory didn't watch them and they talked about the prequels for maybe 30 minutes or so, 60% of that time just appreciating the Obi Wan/Maul fight in Phantom Menace. Which was fun... Then we just kind of read superchats for the remaining 2.5 hours and go out, not with a bang, but merely the echo of a whisper "What could have been.".
I hear ya. I too was looking forward to a multiple hour geek out, debates, nostalgia, laughs. I expected at least a list of talking points for such a special episode but no. I understand that everyone has a lot of work outside the Grift but if you're gonna do it, do it right or don't do it at all. I guess we're getting the latter either way
That show did just seem like a fundraiser for Theory. All he ever contributed to it was reading the super chats. None of the discussions were ever interesting form his part.
That the difference between people that actually care about Star Wars and the common SW Fan.
SWT can only talk about his own fan theories and his past memories, he's the type that repeats entire wiki entries and understands none of it's contents.
@@pezdispencer113Yep that hits the nail on the head. He got some money out of the Efap fans and hadn't had to work for it.
which was weird cause at 1st I would argue the podcast was great and theory was a much more heavily involved in the convos but I think after getting canceled for a take that wasn't even he dialed it back
MauLer: As for Sam Witwer, I'd need to see what Sam Wiwer would write - has he got writing credits for anything?
Yes, but as far as I know, the only writing credits he has are as a contributing writer on a couple of recent D&D source books. I'm not sure even how much he wrote in them, just that he was a contributor and not the main author. Otherwise, he likes to do voices in cartoons and videogames, but not usually as a main character. Not even much else as far as acting, anymore. He was in a season of Supergirl. Before that, it's periodic one-offs for the past decade. He's just living a relatively comfortable life mostly off of residuals. He does love Star Wars and voices as much of it as they'll allow him to, with his primary credits for the past decade being Voice of Maul, Voice of Palpatine, and Add'l Voices. He wouldn't exactly be my first pick to "run Star Wars."
Sam Witwer is he guy you want to proof read your story and ask him for advice atleast and also voice act.
It's thanks to Sam that most Star Wars projects he's involved in ended up following logic at all.
Sam Witwer has an encyclopaedic knowledge of star wars, a deep understanding of the themes, characters, morals, nuances and influences, and he can voice act with the best of them, but that doesn't mean you can run a franchise.
He should be brought on as a lore master, as I think he'd be able to keep someone on track but I'm not sure about his creative vision
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Please provide references and examples. I haven't found them and, if anything, have found that he's been infected with Filonitisms.
@@MasterIceyy I feel like this can be said of many people, including Filoni, which doesn't mean they'd be good for running things. So, I'll agree to your conclusion.
At best, allow him more involvement and see what that results in. I have yet to hear any reasoning from Theory as to why he at all thinks Witwer should (or would even want to) just have the whole thing thrown in his lap beyond thinking he's a cool dude.
And, to be clear, we don't seem to be talking about making him a lore master. The suggestion is that he be given more of a Feige role, running both the business and guiding the stories - something that Feige himself is failing at, now that he doesn't have experienced and proven people supporting him or making things for him. These are really two separate roles. I don't know that the new DCU will be successful, but that's the way it should be set up, with Gunn running the stories and Safran running the business, as I understand it. All the talk of replacing KK is of replacing a business person with a creative person. I agree that she's terrible at her job, but she's not the one writing the stories. They do need someone to oversee that, which sounds like that's what Filoni's new position is.
If they announced tomorrow that Witwer is now in charge of any aspect of Lucasfilm at any level, I'd be surprised and have questions, but I'd say give him a chance and see what happens. But it's not even on the same level as how we're frequently confused recently how people get jobs just writing or directing a single big movie or series after having only a single indy film under their belt - but they still do have that experience of doing an indy film. Witwer has obviously been on sets and many actors have made the transition to roles behind the camera, but he doesn't even have that and the suggestion is to just put him in charge of everything. Could it work? Sure, it's possible. But there's no indication that it should. It seems absurd and like he's being set up to fail. His name os being put out there to run the whole business and the reason given is that he knows Star Wars lore.
The legends stories revolving around the Skywalker/Solo families and the new Jedi Academy with Luke as Grandmaster should have been what the next step in star wars - instead we got crap.
Please sir, let ME see if 9 BILLION pennies is enough to make a TV show.
Eating cheese and talking about the Renaissance sounds more fun than watching modern day Star Wars.
Remember in 2019, when Game of Thrones was talked about for being the most expensive show ever? Kenobi has the same budget and is by far the least expensive SW/MCU show made. She-Hulk had more than twice its budget and looks like a bad joke.
WTF happened?
Andor apparently had the record-breaking $250m budget for a show... geez that's a lot... but at least it looks amazing in comparison to all other D+ shit.
1:13
In Star Wars fandom lore we know about the former scripts for what would eventually become A New Hope. Sounding and feeling in places wildly different from how we know them, naming characters and concepts we would only see realized up until the Prequels, and some of the artworks by Ralph McQuarrie voicing some of those early concepts have given them a bit of a legend of their own.
In 2014, Dark Horse comics and J. W. Rinzler rebuilt some of those scripts and adapted them into a what-if comic book series, and it is rumored (though very faintly) that Disney-Lucasfilms might be considering taking a gander at that themselves (as an animated series? I don't remember) . If they decide to make a series out of that, that might actually be the most important series for them to make, because it would be the closest they could get at trying to reboot or remake all of SW in a feasibly legal way (as far as what audiences and fans would say, cuz, you know, "TeChNiCaLlY iT iSn'T sTaR wArS", I can picture them saying).
It would be (literally) tampering with Lucas' vision, down to the very intimate stumbling of his infant concept, a sacred ground for any artistic work, and could even open up the posibility for them to craft a new Star Wars of their own, a new universe without a lore stumbling in the way of their vision, a perfect self serving product. It's borderline history revisionism, and I don't even think they're smart enough to know that they can just do that. But, in itself, the historical importance of something like that is not to be understated.
And the funniest thing about this is that, when the comic was made, it was just for fun. Homaging fun, reverent fun. The stakes have escalated so hard since 2015 that there's no way for them to make this without stakes or consequence. This, and a legit attempt at a Heir To The Empire adaptation is the biggest stuff they could undertake.
This is fascinating now that MauLer and Theory have a podcast together
i hope it doesn't last, he's easily dragging Mauler down.
How so?
@@kirby2567 yea. What do u mean.
I respect them both equally but what I will say is I hope theory at least knows mauler made this video
@@KangaZunegurentee you he has no idea
…AAAAAAND it’s gone…Star Grift is gone…
Prequel hate is silly.
Watching this after Star Grift is kind of hilarious.
Anyone watching post Star Grift podcast ? If I watched this prior I wouldn’t have been surprised when the podcast ended so early. Mauler is just on a different level when it comes to the comprehension movies and Tv. SWT just couldn’t keep up sadly.
Its not a matter of keeping up and more so SWT couldn't do bare minimum standard of keeping a subject up in star grift. It went from talking star wars to talking about superchats mostly with some star wars in between.
Yep, Theory is out-classed by Mauler when it comes to critical thinking. Theory is just a fan.
Please end more of these with a weird Fringy laugh, it'll be hilarious
Fringys laugh sounds like mental illness. Man he’s lucky he’s smart and has good things to say sometimes…I particularly liked his playthrough (and the subsequent episode of efap) of Soma….made me buy the game finally.
Sad that they scooped me, I had kind of a similar idea for a story that I now feel I can’t write because it’s too similar to the concepts in Soma and I was thinking about it for literal years…but tbf they probably did it better than I could have…
It's okay, there'll be other ideas that you'll have stolen...
...no wait@@EmptyAltruism
This channel has enough content potential to last until retirement and feed generations 😂😂
Star Wars theory knows Star Wars, but he doesn’t understand it.
I think he understands the fundamentals. But isn’t up to the idea of expanding the galaxy with not just Jedi and sith as other characters can be memorable
@@KangaZuneif true that's not what George saw the universe as otherwise he would have done shows without them this is star wars not star trek
He knows Star Wars, but doesn’t know good writing…
@@JordanForan2019Well he doesn’t own it anymore so it doesn’t matter
@@EmptyAltruism thats not true, you probably like the sequels
My favorite part of the collabs is SWT’s blank stares , the random defensive takes of him paying more attention to X than the conversation , and his completely disconnected responses .
name a time
it's kind of amazing how much the background of the video looks like the background of RLM's The Nerd Crew. Part of me always thought they over did it with the satire but then I remember that the people they were actually parodying are even worse.
Theory’s point wasn’t full of shit as you did not understand it to begin with. He didn’t mean literally the budget was the problem. He meant that before they even started creating the show, they had a shitty half ass attitude about it by deciding the budget. That was his point! The horrible decisions started with the budget and then just kept going!
It’s not that the budget would make it better guys, it just shows that they didn’t give a fuck
Agree
How did we go from this to Star Grift?
talking and listening to each other does magic
….aaaaand it’s gone. Star grift is gone….
@@-Kidzin But Mauler didn't convince Theory of anything. The dude has the same opinions he did in this video... It's just weird to drag him in this video, then do a podcast with him when nothing changed between the two videos.
@@akashajones6079I watched Maulers first "debate" with SWT.
Well I was hoping for a debate, but SWT had no argument, no insights, no informations. He's literally a consumer.
The one time SWT could have changed my mind. And he failed.
@@TurKlack the man literally preaches how different opinions make the world turn, he doesnt care of people dissagree with him, he welcomes it, if you dont agree with that than fine but dont act like he is obligated to convince you of anything, like him or dont, it doesnt matter
I mean, I like that Mauler gets along with everybody despite professional differences, but damn, I really hope the ongoing collab with SWT is profitable.. he‘s so unbearable smug and his ever changing opinions and approaches are so annoying.
It’s nice to see this retrospectively as mauler and theory now do a weekly podcast together….nice
Aaaaaand it’s gone. Star grift is gone. It’s gone….
Aye sadly mauler did not have the time he was stretched too far 7 podcasts a week is too many.@@EmptyAltruism
1:05:47-1:05:50 Holy shit that tore my stoned mind in half with wheeze laughter😂
I have no idea what SWT means when he says "Quite frankly, I'm the only one that's doin' it." Everything I come up with just doesn't fit the statement as even remotely accurate.
Also, I'm sorry, it's nice that he and MauLer are in conversations and building a friendship, now, but watching those conversations has only made me more convinced that SWT is just a child in an adult's body. I don't understand the appeal.
What do you think star war is may I ask
@@JordanForan2019 When I saw this in my notifications, I thought it would have been in response to a different comment. I'm actually not sure what the relevancy of the question is for this comment. However, I may answer something along the lines that Star Wars is a fantastic universe full of interesting and relatable characters that experience meaningful, personal journeys through life, surrounded by a mix of fantasy and scifi elements that make up a richly diverse world of inhabitants, social- and ecosystems, beliefs, abilities, and technologies. At its heart, it's about characters that we can relate to and learn from.
It's become less so, over time, to be much more about ill-conceived spectacle and references.
@@alexhayden219 That's what you see it as but George never saw it like that he saw Jedi and sith in stories for reasons as he viewed them as important features to the franchise like the Delorean is to back to the future. But that does not mean I am attacking your view just to say it's not what any fan wants it to be as we are fans we create theories and watch them but he created it and that's what his movies are about to him.
@@JordanForan2019 As far as I know, George never said "Star Wars is about lightsabers, Jedi, Sith, and hollow spectacle." Rather, he repeatedly said it was about the story and characters and themes, following the hero's journey, and being inspirational to young people. If you watch his movies, it's about the fall and rise of a specific family and their influence on the galaxy, specifically about redemption. However, he approved many stories not having much to do with Jedi or Sith and also had his own hand in such stories, citing his own favorite episode of TCW that he personally conceived of and pitched as A Sunny Day in the Void, an episode that had nothing to do with the above mentioned "Star Wars definitives."
While he's been mostly tight lipped on much of what Disney's done and how he feels about most specific projects, it's fairly well known that he looks favorably on Rogue One.
So, no. George was much more interested in the characters and the story and expanded the world. The Jedi and Sith, but specifically the Skywalkers, were the focus of the movies, but they aren't the end-all, be-all even to George Lucas. They're important to the fate of the galaxy, but Star Wars is much _much_ more than that. Even just speaking on visuals, Star Wars has an entire recognizable aesthetic of the world that feels off or wrong when it's not followed.
I'm sure you meant it as hyperbole, but "it's not what any fan wants" simply isn't true, as I am a fan and many fans are quite happy with Star Wars stories not featuring them (not to say they don't want them at all, because of course they are cool).
Finally, while BTTF is another one of my all-time favorite movies/franchises, it's really not that comparable. It's a much more localized world that basically has 3 main characters, always takes place in the same town, and is very specifically about these two guys time travelling. Anything outside of that is just the real world. Even so, the Delorean is an iconic piece of that, but the series could have continued - and _potentially_ been fine - after the Delorean had been destroyed on the train tracks, then featuring Doc and his family on the time-train.
@@alexhayden219 Mythical Archetypes: Lucas drew inspiration from various mythological and archetypal sources, such as Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces." In many mythological stories, there are characters who represent wisdom, guardianship, and spiritual guidance, akin to the role of the Jedi in Star Wars.
Central Conflict: The conflict between the Jedi and the Sith forms the central narrative tension of the Star Wars saga. This dichotomy between the light and dark sides of the Force provides a rich backdrop for exploring themes of good versus evil, redemption, and the struggle for balance.
Narrative Cohesion: By focusing on the Jedi Order, Lucas created a cohesive narrative thread that runs through the entire saga. The Jedi serve as a unifying element, connecting the various storylines and characters across different films and media.
Character Development: Many of the main characters in Star Wars are Jedi or have ties to the Jedi Order, such as Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Their journeys as Jedi play a significant role in their character development and arcs throughout the saga.
Iconic Symbolism: Lightsabers, the Force, and the Jedi themselves have become iconic symbols of the Star Wars franchise. These elements have captured the imagination of fans around the world and have become synonymous with the series.
Overall, George Lucas's decision to focus the Star Wars saga around the Jedi was instrumental in shaping the universe and mythology of the franchise, providing a compelling framework for storytelling and exploration of timeless themes.
Obviously the most important tv show disney could make would be the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise
😂 Its hilarious how the guy claims that there wasnt enough money, when the show *Godzilla Minus One* was greatly successful and look amazing despite only costing 10 million dollars to make.
Godzilla Minus One just came out, and it had a budget below 15 mil, screw off with that budget argument SWT
No bro budget is 100% the problem. This is Walt Disney studios. You have THOUSANDS of expenses you couldn’t even dream of when you are an entity like that. Not to mention 10 shows/movies being made at the same time…
@@ryanm327the writing is the issue
Except they made it in Japan your country has unions and expensive CG work houses that cost triple the budget of the ones in Japan
I think _Kenobi_ was probably the worst-looking live-action _Star Wars_ show… and I would blame that on the budget, not allowing the show to film on location 🤷🏻♂️
Ahsoka looked worse.
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 - no it didn’t.
@@Sam_T2000yes, it did.
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 - every shot in _Kenobi_ looked like it was filmed in “the Volume,” but that the Volume was malfunctioning or something… the only decent shots I can think of are the ones on the Tatooine street set. even ones shot outside in the real world still looked cheap, like the Leia chase scene on Alderaan, or the boring California hill planet where Kenobi first saw Vader.
I wouldn’t say _Ahsoka_ looked the best (that would go to _Andor)_ but even at their worst, the sets didn’t look distracting. the worst examples I can think of were one or two green screen shots on Corellia, and the forest on the spooky forest planet felt a little claustrophobic… everything else was pretty good. the physical sets were nice, and even the exterior daytime shots on Lothal and Corellia and Paridea looked nice.
and this has more to do with effects than sets, but I don’t remember _Ahsoka_ having anything as embarrassing as the T-47 attacking the Inquisitor fortress 🤷🏻♂️
Nah I definitely agree that Obiwan was extremely important to get right. How much of the starwars audience grew up on the prequels? I’d say a massive portion at this point. This could have been a great way to rope in the prequel fans. They failed horribly. It didn’t seem like they gave it their all which is what he was getting at. Also the budget was important because some of it the visuals looked bad. The writing is more important but visuals matter with sci fi fantasy.
Without good writing and directing, visuals won't save a pile of shit no matter how much you spend on visuals.
Andor could have survived with simpler visuals, based purely in the writing and directing
Also, Obi Wan should not have even happened. That's the problem. They had to change the lore to accommodate that show
Was it the *most* important thing though? That was the discussion.
The prequels have horrid writing, so Kenobi having also horrid writing fits.
@okagron The writing in the Prequels is good.
6:43
“Kenobi’s butt…”
-MauLer
Filoni used to be really onto it with Clone Wars. But he jumped on the bandwagon of Disney waaaay too hard and basically fucked his own legacy. Clone Wars is one of those shows that people loved and really thought he'd maintain the spirit and level of quality that Clone Wars had, only to completely throw it down the gutter.
TCW is only good when it isn't linked with the movies.
My point being TCW is bad.
I never watched star grift, how did that go? Did they argue a lot? Is it worth a watch? I dont particularly care for theory much..
They started doing a podcast together like one week after this video. What happened??
The problem with poor theory is that he's a genuine fan and a decent guy, but he's built his identity around nothing but Star Wars content, so he's pushed himself into a corner where he has no choice but to cope in defense of trash if he's going to review new content. Mauler and others can just reject the brand wholesale and watch other things. Theory is locked into a dying brand far past its prime.
I really didn't get a good impression off this video, but I'm glad MauLer talked to him in his own den. The Longman is a great diplomat when he wants to be, handled it great. I still don't agree with most of SWT's arguments or his reasoning, but I hope there's a budding relationship here like many others who have connected with the EFAP crew.
Sushi Chef, "Him say you Blade Runner."
Andor, "Tell him I'm eating."
Honestly, I don't agree that budjets don't matter, since it shows where a studios attention is, and I think the point that he was making is more on the lines of they don't care this much about an OBI wan show which is way more important then a she-hulk show. But I guess IT could have been just badly stated arguments.
I watch Star Wars Theory and he makes valid points. I tired to watch this video but there are so many assumptions going on between the commenters that by the time they allow themselves to watch the whole video they are tearing into him for the same points they are ultimately agreeing on. Star Wars Theory is a real fan and he knows his stuff. These guys are giving somewhat decent commentary, but should watch more of the video before talking about "how wrong he is" and then 5 minutes later saying "oh now he realizes he was wrong and is backtracking to seem correct". No, you didn't watch the full clip, made assumptions, and you are now back peddling. Not a great commentary
Honestly, Last Jedi being about Luke giving up could have been better; I think what made that twist broken was when they wrote him to try and kill Kylo because of a vision; decades after he knew the damage his father caused to an entire generation of the Galaxy because of foresight visions of Padme dying. Like somebody should have edited that plot point and made it where Luke was betrayed in the middle of the night, and it wasn’t just Kylo, but three more apprentices that betrayed his new order. What a waste, seriously, all the themes of Last Jedi deserved better writing.
The Expanse likely had a smaller per episode budget than kenobi.
Nuff said.
I used to watch all of SWT when he only have few thousand subs, he quickly became a shill.
None of the shows should be important. What Lucasfilm needed to get right was 7,8 and 9. The Skywalker legacy is what was important and they failed that assignment
Cheers, Wolf
Kinda funny how he shits on theory when reacting but actually talking to the man you become friends. Mooler was Harvey dent with this one 😢
Star Wars died when Dave Filoni destroyed the EU. All downhill from there
How so?
Yeah agreed. He basically caused the Canon/Legends split back before Disney took over with all the pointless retcons of Mandalore, Ventress, Barriss, etc.
@@callumpears1523 That was Lucas, EU was never canon.
How did he destroy the EU? As far as I am aware the material still exists and you can still read it/watch it/play it at your leisure if you want lol
@@Ethan-wr2os sequels to many popular EU stories, e.g. the Republic Commando books, got cancelled due to retcons.
Clearly not a movie/show/production expert. But I can see where he is coming from.
He is clinging on to Filoni and Favereu because they are kind of the last hope of some kind of connection to George. As shit as it may be.
Clinging on to threads that unfortunately just aren't there.
We can just let it go. Who cares. Star Wars can just rot in the corner.
But not for him. It's his whole life.
He doesn't care if it's a good movie/show. He cares if it's "good Star Wars". If it is anything halfway decent with Sith vs Jedi with at least an attempt to respect George's story and characters. That's all that seems to matter to him.
Tbh I would take it as well as this point.
The funny part is that, now that Star Wars Theory snapped and gave up on Disney Star Wars, he chatted with MauLer and they got along well enough that they've started a small weekly podcast.
Exactly my point , and this episode sounds like subtle hate toward SWT for no reason .
@@joenelzayashe still has shit takes, he still shilled for Disney Star Wars and made massive amounts of cope videos to try and help the brand while they continued to not care about him. He deserves all the hate he gets for the shit he says. He literally still defends a lot of these takes to his day so yeah, he should definitely still get shat on and hate😂
@@joenelzayas”subtle hate for no reason”.
Did we watch the same video? Hear the same comments from SWT, Mauler, Rags, and Fringy?
Because one said was being a Massive Tism. The other side was point out the number of flaws in the Massive Tism’s logic.
@@nhagan001you guys are very cultish
@@JordanForan2019 take your head out of the sand and listen to SWT’s reasons for liking the trash of Live Action, but hating Andor.
You’re calling US a cult for not liking the sludge of Star Wars. The irony is rich.
Omg I started watching his review in anticipation of hearing that this shit show should have never existed in the first place as it is HEAVILY insinuated in the OT that Vader and Obi never met between ep 3 and 4 ("The cycle is NOW complete. When I left you (ep 3) I was but the learnee. Now I am the master.") and definitely Leia never met him as her message in ep 4 doesnt come off as a message to an old friend but rather reaching out to a stranger that she heard could help the rebel alliance. So all this shit show does is further disrespect the OT and the prequels in many ways and I was looking forward to heart that. Instead he opens with budget discussions as if that is relevant (ever seen things like Buffy season 1 or games like Final Fantasy I? Greatness can manifest despite low budget...) and calls it the most important SW show...wtf? Closed the video after like 5 minutes and realized this dude and his followers do not resonate with me at all....
8:00
"It's not about the money… it's about sending a message."
He is right about the budget, if Disney gives one product less money than another it is indicative of something.
No, Disney isn’t a human at the household budget for 1
I agree with him on obi wan beiny the most important one but im looking at it is from the perspective of "if they absolutely HAVE to make this show, this is the show they NEED to not fuck up". mando, boba fett, or ashoka being terrible isnt that impactful on star wars as a whole. Obi wan and Darth Vader are main characters of over half the movies. People care about them on a whole other level than the others. It was the most important to do correctly. Unfortunately we all see how that went.
Absolutely agree!! I think the reason Mandalorian season 3 was so weak was because of Gina Corano getting fired, which screwed up the plans for Rangers of the New Republic. Because of that, SO MANY SUB PLOTS and ridiculous characters (Jack Black and Lizzo) were crammed into this season. It's too bad that The Book of Boba Fett was so sloopy as it could have been amazing. I will say that Deborah Chow is a great director as she directed one of my favorite Mandalorian episodes( 3 The Sin). I think she was manipulated by KK in screwing up Obi Wan. Anyway, God Bless and may the force be with you! Rest in peace Carl Weathers 😢
Godzilla Minus One had a budget of $15 mil. It looks like a great movie, and I can't wait to see it. I guarantee that it will be multiple times better than Kenobi despite costing so much less.
I saw it at an early screening last night. The low budget shows in a few places, but it's absolute proof that you don't need budget to write a great story. It's a really compelling drama, hope you enjoy it.
The movie looks really good, Godzilla especially looks fantastic
You neglected to mention the cost it's triple the money for doing the effects in the USA versus Japan
@@JordanForan2019 only because western directors waste so much money when making movies now. Storyboarding and drafting is rare now
@@andrewmeyer3599 true but it's best to to accept it and move on as it's not going back to those days
"Andor looks so good!"
Yeah I wonder why, budget perhaps? lol
3:05 - 3:20 that moment is still so hilarious to look back at... XD
I personally like SWT and while I disagree with him at times you can’t deny he’s a die hard fan. He try’s to stay optimistic and I have no problem with that. His chat however are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever seen chat on a live stream. Like man it’s worse than watching a twitch streamer lol.
Efap crew talking about firing dav and jon brought that scene from the office to mind. The meme would be kevin being labeled as dave filoni, dwight would be Mauler, telling Dave to read the cake saying he is fired. Then the camera pans to Toby, labeled as Jon, saying "you cant do that" and then mauler dwight just hands him a cake too lol. Sorry, dumb thought
The entire OT cost less to produce than the six episode Kenobi show... How is budget the issue here?
Mostly due to modern cameras and being practical is expense due to unions and safety regulations
This guys entire personality is star wars
Yeah it’s no better than those who make Taylor swift their personality
@@davemac9563 its slightly better
SWT thinks he's an authority.
That's why he says he notices things, the only one doing it, the sly arrogance behind his suggestions.
He has a big head, that movie he made was cool, he knows the lore, he's read the "stuff", he has a rep (for whatever that's worth), cool momentos, he's definitely added to the fandom but he really let it go to his ego a bit.
He's read the extended lore, so he thinks he's the guy due to nerdisms.
And what is it that efap do that he is doing oh saying his opinion which seems to be lacking in your view
bro I need you to back me up with these types of comments on their star grift episodes lmfao
@@JordanForan2019 random user name = 🧱
Star Wars Theory recently admitted he hasn't seen many other movies or read many books outside of Star Wars...😂
4 months later and Theory and MauLer are now happily married. Life sure is crazy
Star wars isn't just about lightsaber and the force
With the additional context of the per episode budget of Kenobi averaging out to the same budget as Godzilla -1.0, it’s even more of a disgrace and eradicates the excuse of the effects not looking good because the budget was too low.
Didn't he say that Andor wasn't believable because there were bricks and screws?
that they're apparently friends now is so funny, but now as funny as this comments section
u guys are kinda grilling for no reason without watching the video, "hes realising" he literally talking about the topic like u guys he hasnt given a full point yet
hes mad people keep shitting on his star wars shows then everyone loves the one he hated
Bro keeps quantifying Pennie’s, every episode had NINE HUNDRED MILLION PENNIES PER EPISODE… that’s more then I’ll ever be worth
1:25 Star Wars: Bothans. Lucas Arts Games was amazing Fringy.
If they got 20 million... that laser fence would have connected to a wall.... 19mil ... fence out in the middle of nowhere that you can clearly go around.
People were so desperate for any sort of good Star Wars after the sequel trilogy that when mandolorian came out the shit looked like citizen fucking Kane by comparison
Excellent analysis 🖖
Star Wars Theory being cringe-disillusioned recently is a more compelling character arc than anything written by Hollywood in the last 15 years.
Andor, by far, is the best Star Wars show to come out from Disney
People like Star Wars theory can be easily summed up with “duuuuhh no lightsabers! Bad show!” While drooling profusely. They claim the opposite but it’s pretty obvious when they hate any show without lightsabers.
the most important show should be something that set up the sequel trilogy and change the public perception of them for disney
lukes failed new jedi order, the new republic, imperial remnant becoming the first order etc
Hard to beleive you guys spoke so civally after this roasting. Theory just needs a guiding hand, his love for star wars makes it hard for him to review the whole of favreau-filonis work objectively. Hes always been hopeful and always tried to justify optimism whereas you guys are realistic. He loves the prequels, he loves George, you guys dont even like return of the jedi so it kinda makes sense that you dont share a vision of what star wars should be and what makes it such shit now. But in the end we all agree its a tragic tale of wasted potential..
It’s not hard to believe. It’s called being two faced.
At this point He cares more about making money off Star Wars then he cares about Star Wars ……he thinks he’s like the ultimate Star Wars fan and some Star Wars guru …he’s memorized a lot of stuff about Star Wars but he actually understands it on a very juvenile surface level and has a very closed minded view on what it is and should be and is only interested in a small part of this huge universe and doesn’t think any other story’s should be explored……(he’s really a big dipshit)
I finally got around to watch andor, it makes no sense that a show like that was made by Disney.
Andor is boring is such is a reta tarded take. Can't believe they actually showed a story. Star Wars "fans" deserve everything they get if they can't see good why should they receive it?
I loved Andor sm. But saying thinking it’s boring is retarded… IS RETARDED. it’s subjective headass.
Andor is great. Star Wars incels are just mad there was no lightsabers or memberberries.
I'm not a Star Wars fan but I watched it and found it boring. Well written for sure, it's a good show, but a bit boring.
@@VinnieMF My comment sure was a bit extra. It is more than fine to find it boring, it just feels like a lot of SW fans use "boring" when they actually mean i want lightsaber go vuush.
@@BehindThePringles "Star Wars incels"? With condescending pricks like you coming up with terms like that, it's little wonder it's the most toxic fandom. I am a Star Wars fan and am certainly not an "incel" and it's a series that goes back generations.
Don't be so insulting for the sake of being an asshole.
@starwarstheory has proven consistently he's not a starwars fan he's a starwars consumer and more so a starwars grifter that depends on starwars product to consume for his livelihood...you don't like andor???!....that nonsense alone makes my point.
Rags: "Budget doesn't mean better."
Also Rags: "Andor looked good because budget."
Bruh.
A bigger budget can make a good film better but the point is that a films budget still doesn't actualy correlate to its quality
@@pancakekraken876 ↑
SWT: “Why does Andor get such a higher budget than Obi-Wan Kenobi?”
MauLer: “Cause it’s great.”
😐
Was he not arguing that budget had nothing to do with either show’s quality multiple times before?
@@pancakekraken876 subtlety is a trait few understand
I have to applaud a dude I disagree with for coming on a show he thought would just shit on him. Turns out everyone just loves star wars.
Ignoring the obvious (luke & leia stuff, video games, etc), i think the most "important" time period for star wars with a lot of empty space would be the 10 years between episode 1 & 2. Just focus on someone other than obi wan and anakin, like yadel or ki adi mundi or something.
Forget that. Go old Republic or maybe what Luke and Leia did after Empore but before Return. Luke had no ill feeling choking a those pig dudes.
The start of the greatest friendship
This guy is a slightly more honest version of just wasnt to see lightsaber go brrr