I don’t see what’s so great about that. I get the micro advantage, but just leaving them back there. It seems like the only advantage really is that zerg has to continue guarding them and can’t really leave? Is that the main idea or is it something else ?
@@HappyChillmore The general idea is that if you get Zealots behind the mineral patches, Zerg basically has 3 ways to respond. 1) Inefficiently trade Zerglings to kill the Zealots - the downside to Zerg for this action is that they then have to spend extra Larva to get those Zerglings back or be vulnerable to a follow up push because they don’t have enough units to defend. This slows down their economy immensely because now they might not have the larva to Drone Up properly and it can throw off their early to mid game - plus, if they had been planning to do some kind of early game aggression, they now need to crank that production up and go All In or they may not have enough units left to actually take a fight across the map and win. 2) Make a Sunken Colony and use the range to force the Zealots to come out from behind the minerals and take a fight, but again, depending on control, you could still lose drones or Zerglings, plus you now had to lose a Drone out of your economy and spend 125 minerals on the Creep Colony then upgrade to Sunken. That’s the Minerals equivalent to 10 Zerglings that now can’t be used offensively or defensively, or 2.5 drones mining (3.5 once you account for the one lost to make the Sunken). It’s a pretty big economy commitment. 3) Leave Zerglings there to make sure the Zealots can’t run out and snipe drones until you have Hydralisks or Mutas to force them into a fight, but this means the Zerg player now has to keep a close eye on that spot of the minimap so that they can respond in time if the Zealots run out early meaning they miss out on other scouting opportunities or not respond fast enough to an attack somewhere else, and even that doesn’t happen if they don’t control during the fight properly they could still end up losing drones or units. Now, the benefit for the Protoss player is that with option 2 and 3 the Zealots are giving the Protoss player a *huge* amount of scouting data. Zealots can actually see decently far, so the player can hop their screen down to see what’s coming out of eggs so they’ll know if the Zerg player is going Drone Heavy and the Protoss player may be able to push, or if they seen a lot of Zerglings come out they’ll have time to shore up defences. If they see a Sunken being made they know that they can either get a bit greedy and go for an extra base fairly safely because the Zerg won’t have the units to really push, or even make a push themselves to hit another base because the Zerg may not have enough early game units to properly defend. If they can see Mutalisks or Hydralisks hatch and more importantly the timing of those units, they now have enough information to be able to tell if the Zerg Player is just going for a normal Macro power up or if they are going to become aggressive and go for an all in or contain, and in either case that extra scouting gives the Protoss Player extra time to prepare appropriately. And the kicker is that it really doesn’t cost the Protoss player anything outside the norm to do - if you try to retreat back to your base with the Zealots they’ll just get surrounded by the faster Zerglings and picked off by superior numbers, and the Protoss player probably wants to open up the Supply Cost to start mixing in Dragoons... So if you want them to die, and they are definitely going to die, you might as well make it as uncomfortable as possible for your opponent and get as much value as possible.
Best thing I saw last week was on Artosis' stream where Sn0w taunts him and then claps with his hands and barefeet simultaneously--it was hilarious. I was hoping for more foot clapping.
SPOILER ALERT: Avoid 2:52 - 3:18 so that you don't see the winner. Waited so long without looking at the bracket to avoid spoilers and literally in the video. You can only laugh. 🤣
i mean we all know who is alredy in the final and who won the 3rd place already, but these guys are like, yeah let's see who wins between these guys, fingers crossed for snow, and then you have the chart at 2:55 with the winner of this match already in the Ro.4 matches :D
For 10k a month the production is pretty garbage tbh. constant mistakes like this and how slow they are coming out keeps me from signing on for the patreon 👎
@@kamanski It's not about the production quality for me. It's the fact that an english ASL exists at all, im grateful for it and the cost is nothing to me for the entertainment that I enjoy.
YOU LEFT THE SPOILERS ON THE BRACKETS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE SPOILED SKIP AHEAD TO 4:00 This was my most anticipated match and you guys ruined it 3minutes in. I am so mad right now.
Good job showing the spoiler in the opening.. This is why quality control is necessary Why are people upvoting this video ?? Let them know they did a bad job quality assurance done by Creed Bratton ....
I could have sworn an editor was photoshopping Tasteless' head to be bigger and bigger on every subsequent thumnbnail. In fact, I'm still not convinced this isn't happening.
Love these productions! So much that I donated to keep it coming. Is it possible to release it earlier though? These games are already 2 weeks old and I couldnt wait so I had to watch it somewhere else x)
I think the super late posting are turning people off. Personally I like Scan's cast too but they don't have the same banter as tastosis. But two weeks is really testing us. Hope we receive a good explanation on Patreon. I have a hard time paying all year round if we have to wait this long and video contain spoilers.
I feel so validated that Tasteless mentioned his head size. I was wondering wtf was going on there on the last stream. It always looked normal size before
Incredible matches. The push out and then retreat without attacking that artosis was asking tasteless if it's a good strategy or not, I just remember day9 on the day9 daily talking about over and over how it's one of the best things you can ever do in the game.
Ogre zerg gaming rules! ;D Tastosis is clearly the second choice for watching ASL over the past two years - they are so late with the uploads, that by the time they release a Ro8 match, i already know who is in the final (thank's to Scan and Nyoken).
@@thalanoth I heard about a reupload. I didn't see a diff after 30 mins. I could have missed it. The main issue for me is being 2 weeks behind schedule for uploading vids. I follow many threads about starcraft and find it difficult not to avoid spoilers. They are getting 10k a month.
I think the translation takes a bit of time, but with more patreon support I expected them to be a bit faster as well. I think the hurricane in Canada had something to do with it, where Artosis lives was without power, but I am not sure.
With the huge delay and bad editing I don’t know why anyone would pay for the Patreon lol, $10k a month to post the Vods super late with spoilers when other people release on time and don’t ruin the match before it starts
yeah you can clearly hear the difference between these and their livecasts for GSL - over there there is a bit more play-by-play and they are a bit more hyped up... just not the same athmosphere sitting back home instead of a studio, I guess
I'm cancelling mine aswell... Way to slow on the delivery front. And then the spoiler to add to insult lol Which was the 2nd time the video was uploaded btw ... Because the first upload had a spoiler aswell
How the hell did snow lose game 2. It looked like be could just mosey over any time with plus 1 and bust him. Or take a third. He didn't committ enough to attack so he just lost his army.... Wasnt up on bases... Loses to muta. Ouch
SPOILERS herO is looking absolutely top tier. I know there's always this ill feeling when a race seems to dominate, but the positional chess that hero is able to play with his units (like in Game 2) is not to be underestimated.
Re: the spoiler at the beginning. Illustrates 2 problems: 1. that the team is mixing up graphics somehow, and 2. The studio is really messing with you big time giving you vods sooo long after the matches are done. You don't deserve them...
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15:02 "I've been working on my head game." Phrasing, Tasteless.
please clip and never ever let the meme die
Thumbs this comment up. Skip to 8:50 So the bracket doesnt spoil it for you.
A friend warned me about this and to skip ahead. A true bro.
Except 2 minute later he fucking spoiled it anyway. That fucker
Why the hell did it do that before the game?
Find someone who loves you as much as Tasteless loves Zealots behind the minerals
1:06:32 Find someone who cheers for you like this guy
Impossible..
I don’t see what’s so great about that. I get the micro advantage, but just leaving them back there. It seems like the only advantage really is that zerg has to continue guarding them and can’t really leave? Is that the main idea or is it something else ?
@@HappyChillmore The general idea is that if you get Zealots behind the mineral patches, Zerg basically has 3 ways to respond.
1) Inefficiently trade Zerglings to kill the Zealots - the downside to Zerg for this action is that they then have to spend extra Larva to get those Zerglings back or be vulnerable to a follow up push because they don’t have enough units to defend. This slows down their economy immensely because now they might not have the larva to Drone Up properly and it can throw off their early to mid game - plus, if they had been planning to do some kind of early game aggression, they now need to crank that production up and go All In or they may not have enough units left to actually take a fight across the map and win.
2) Make a Sunken Colony and use the range to force the Zealots to come out from behind the minerals and take a fight, but again, depending on control, you could still lose drones or Zerglings, plus you now had to lose a Drone out of your economy and spend 125 minerals on the Creep Colony then upgrade to Sunken. That’s the Minerals equivalent to 10 Zerglings that now can’t be used offensively or defensively, or 2.5 drones mining (3.5 once you account for the one lost to make the Sunken). It’s a pretty big economy commitment.
3) Leave Zerglings there to make sure the Zealots can’t run out and snipe drones until you have Hydralisks or Mutas to force them into a fight, but this means the Zerg player now has to keep a close eye on that spot of the minimap so that they can respond in time if the Zealots run out early meaning they miss out on other scouting opportunities or not respond fast enough to an attack somewhere else, and even that doesn’t happen if they don’t control during the fight properly they could still end up losing drones or units.
Now, the benefit for the Protoss player is that with option 2 and 3 the Zealots are giving the Protoss player a *huge* amount of scouting data. Zealots can actually see decently far, so the player can hop their screen down to see what’s coming out of eggs so they’ll know if the Zerg player is going Drone Heavy and the Protoss player may be able to push, or if they seen a lot of Zerglings come out they’ll have time to shore up defences. If they see a Sunken being made they know that they can either get a bit greedy and go for an extra base fairly safely because the Zerg won’t have the units to really push, or even make a push themselves to hit another base because the Zerg may not have enough early game units to properly defend.
If they can see Mutalisks or Hydralisks hatch and more importantly the timing of those units, they now have enough information to be able to tell if the Zerg Player is just going for a normal Macro power up or if they are going to become aggressive and go for an all in or contain, and in either case that extra scouting gives the Protoss Player extra time to prepare appropriately.
And the kicker is that it really doesn’t cost the Protoss player anything outside the norm to do - if you try to retreat back to your base with the Zealots they’ll just get surrounded by the faster Zerglings and picked off by superior numbers, and the Protoss player probably wants to open up the Supply Cost to start mixing in Dragoons... So if you want them to die, and they are definitely going to die, you might as well make it as uncomfortable as possible for your opponent and get as much value as possible.
@@disiesgroto1881 nice thanks for the insight! I didn’t consider how great it is for scouting
Tasteless head game means something else
What do you mean?
@@monkeybunny89 fellatio
@@monkeybunny89 15:00
Hearing tasteless talk about his head game I was like alright let's check the comments here haha
lolololol
holy crap you showed the winner in the bracket already
LOL I love how they just casted over it without mentioning it... like doing their best to avoid drawing attention
@@Shemhazai7 Thank god i wasn't paying attention
Can't belive this! I saw it too
@@sirdiealot53 LOL
@@sirdiealot53 This comment got me cracking up. Haha
really really don't understand the long delay when the editing quality is this shaky. The outcome of the game is already spoiled within 4 minutes...
Did they already predict the winner at 3:11? O_O
Ok so at 3:11 yall spoil the bracket and this game. not cool
grow up
@@zero_wing_ 😆 hahaahaha
@@zero_wing_ wtf? legit complaint
2:55 you should skip the graphic if you don't want a spoiler. 🙃
Best thing I saw last week was on Artosis' stream where Sn0w taunts him and then claps with his hands and barefeet simultaneously--it was hilarious. I was hoping for more foot clapping.
Shoutout to Larva the ultimate foot gamer
SPOILER ALERT: Avoid 2:52 - 3:18 so that you don't see the winner.
Waited so long without looking at the bracket to avoid spoilers and literally in the video. You can only laugh. 🤣
you can only cry
lol that is hilarious. Had Tastosis looked at the result before casting this?
@@inguh7041 They must have seen it at that same moment but were possibly too professional to mention it.
@@1garysan I think they didn't see it because as far as I know the translation work happens after they record it
Nooooo, winner of the match is showing at 3:10 :(
i mean we all know who is alredy in the final and who won the 3rd place already, but these guys are like, yeah let's see who wins between these guys, fingers crossed for snow, and then you have the chart at 2:55 with the winner of this match already in the Ro.4 matches :D
I feel that for the graphics guys and video editors. They're working super hard to try and play catchup. A super simple mixup.
yeah, that was a bummer. But Tastosis should review these videos before sending it off, right?
For 10k a month the production is pretty garbage tbh. constant mistakes like this and how slow they are coming out keeps me from signing on for the patreon 👎
@@kamanski It's not about the production quality for me. It's the fact that an english ASL exists at all, im grateful for it and the cost is nothing to me for the entertainment that I enjoy.
Upload the video with a spoiler in the bracket - take it down - edit it but still leave one of the two spoilers in - reupload it. Brilliant.
I'm sure arti is glad to hear that tassles is working on his head game.
I came here to say this.
YOU LEFT THE SPOILERS ON THE BRACKETS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE SPOILED SKIP AHEAD TO 4:00
This was my most anticipated match and you guys ruined it 3minutes in.
I am so mad right now.
"My head game is gonna be totally on point" -Tasteless lol clip that plz
wtf the bracket showed Ro4 and this is a Ro8 match!!!!!!!!!
what was supposed to be show at the end of the video. Some editing SNAFU
You guys played spoiler by already putting Hero in the bracket against Rush lol!!!
Yeah.. wth :/
Yep.. lol
Please edit this so you don’t spoil with your comment
I try very hard to avoid spoilers and you miss one at the begginig of the video T.T it says who wins straight away guys T.T
"Probably a long series", video is 90 minutes. Can you please add anti-spoiler blank screen time to the end?
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solution
Good job showing the spoiler in the opening..
This is why quality control is necessary
Why are people upvoting this video ??
Let them know they did a bad job
quality assurance done by Creed Bratton ....
WTF was with showing the bracket in that state? Oh well, just have to enjoy the games with Tastosis for what they are.
no matter what we will have a new ASL champ this year. super exciting
The new ASL champion is .......
YOUR mum.
Brb gotta go watch the other one first and catch up. Thanks for getting this out there for us
I could have sworn an editor was photoshopping Tasteless' head to be bigger and bigger on every subsequent thumnbnail. In fact, I'm still not convinced this isn't happening.
1:04:35 I wonder if Artosis poped some MDMA during the break
ASL Lip apm
lmao i went straight looking for the comments when I saw that.
He looks like WC3 portrait lol
We should all strive to perfect our head game
lol
Tasteless workin on his head game, no homo* hahah ❤ you dudes!
Love these productions! So much that I donated to keep it coming. Is it possible to release it earlier though? These games are already 2 weeks old and I couldnt wait so I had to watch it somewhere else x)
I think the super late posting are turning people off. Personally I like Scan's cast too but they don't have the same banter as tastosis. But two weeks is really testing us. Hope we receive a good explanation on Patreon. I have a hard time paying all year round if we have to wait this long and video contain spoilers.
Ty
you put the winner on the image guys lmao
Incredible game! Finished the whole thing already
"The scourges hit... well enough" Artosis are you kidding that's like the first time I've ever seen mass scourge look clean
So sad that the best reaver player in the modern era just refuses to play them….
I feel so validated that Tasteless mentioned his head size. I was wondering wtf was going on there on the last stream. It always looked normal size before
Excelente trabajooo!!!!!!!
wonderfulllll
so what happened with the original upload lol
Anyone know what that intro song is?
Snow is really really good with his storm placements
Thank god I already spoiled myself accidentally., because I would be pissed right now
S-tier banter this cast.
You guys rock, keep it up
ro8 matches come on finals are coming up. Why are these uploads so late?
Afreeca guys not uploading it for some reason...
LETS GOOO
Incredible matches. The push out and then retreat without attacking that artosis was asking tasteless if it's a good strategy or not, I just remember day9 on the day9 daily talking about over and over how it's one of the best things you can ever do in the game.
Ogre zerg gaming rules! ;D Tastosis is clearly the second choice for watching ASL over the past two years - they are so late with the uploads, that by the time they release a Ro8 match, i already know who is in the final (thank's to Scan and Nyoken).
with them posting such late videos and adding spoilers, this is why i don't support them on patreon anymore.
they reuploaded the original, something changed, I'd imagine it had something to do with this and... still slipped through?
@@thalanoth I heard about a reupload. I didn't see a diff after 30 mins. I could have missed it. The main issue for me is being 2 weeks behind schedule for uploading vids. I follow many threads about starcraft and find it difficult not to avoid spoilers. They are getting 10k a month.
Poop in the toilet siraaj
@@ThePaydayer dunno, I strictly watch asl and gsl from these guys so I don't have a spoiler problem lol
I think the translation takes a bit of time, but with more patreon support I expected them to be a bit faster as well. I think the hurricane in Canada had something to do with it, where Artosis lives was without power, but I am not sure.
1:04:36 damn artosis is tweeking lol
I almost saw this early but I wanted to watch them in order
With the huge delay and bad editing I don’t know why anyone would pay for the Patreon lol, $10k a month to post the Vods super late with spoilers when other people release on time and don’t ruin the match before it starts
GGs
Just watched Hero in GSL
artosis treats these cast more and more like his streams
yeah you can clearly hear the difference between these and their livecasts for GSL - over there there is a bit more play-by-play and they are a bit more hyped up... just not the same athmosphere sitting back home instead of a studio, I guess
@@user-ro2nn7lt3r The GSL casts have no hype, Tastosis is so tired of SC2 lol
I prefer the asl casts, so much more to learn from them
15:13 "by the finals my head game is going to be totally on point" -Tasteless, 2022
Terran and Zerg are so OP, its just unfair
I cancelled my patreon support after this. This is too frustrating to deal with. Hopefully they can fix all these issues in future seasons
I'm cancelling mine aswell...
Way to slow on the delivery front.
And then the spoiler to add to insult lol
Which was the 2nd time the video was uploaded btw ...
Because the first upload had a spoiler aswell
thx for ruining the match... jump over the first 4 minutes of the video if you dont wanna get the results
3:10 LOL SOMEONE fucked up spoiler who won HAHAHA
What does the audience scream out before every game starts?
two, four, six, eight, who do we appreciate? Shuttle! Lol jk Idk but I am also really curious!
TvT the crowd knew they had time to get in
23:06 That Archon shot was the dirtiest thing I've ever seen
Tasteless workin on his head game😅 🥵🥵🥵🥵
Is this the reupload?
Yes, i think they mistakenly uploaded 2 videos yesterday so they deleted this one and re-uploaded today
@@jorgeanderson9032 they had a spoiler and reuploaded
@@Apexplyr spoiler is still there
@@Byzantinesrock omg it is...common haha
Spoiler when they show the bracket, skip to 3:40 to avoid it
Instead of calling it “dark swarm,” we could just start calling it “the beginning of the end.”
I am #teamprotoss and I am sad a little now...
Brown brew
Why spoil the other series? zz
Hello there
RT we will Photoshop in a neck for you
Tasteless looks like a Necksus
I'm dying
hero play sc1 😮
First for timebonez
Hero last time i looked you are handsome
starcraft 1 is much more interesting to watch then starcraft 2
This is hard to watch. Guess I was spoiled by the good old Bisu micro 10 years ago, and Snow's corsair control is just meh
You know?
the ogre dropped his club, brilliant
So now that he lost Game 2, are we sure we like him turning that zealot attack back around?
Bro game two the sim city was like the worst I’ve ever seen. So many buildings blocking unit movement. Completely crippled the defense.
How the hell did snow lose game 2. It looked like be could just mosey over any time with plus 1 and bust him. Or take a third.
He didn't committ enough to attack so he just lost his army.... Wasnt up on bases... Loses to muta. Ouch
90 minute BO5 video is 2-0 after 70 minutes... man I wonder who wins.
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SPOILERS
herO is looking absolutely top tier. I know there's always this ill feeling when a race seems to dominate, but the positional chess that hero is able to play with his units (like in Game 2) is not to be underestimated.
The winner and the loser played like if the winner and the loser were the winner and the loser of another game Ive watched
Re: the spoiler at the beginning. Illustrates 2 problems: 1. that the team is mixing up graphics somehow, and 2. The studio is really messing with you big time giving you vods sooo long after the matches are done. You don't deserve them...
i love watching snow getting destroyed
это че перезалив ?
spoiler warning
hero is so scary... agree with artosis, i think he will win
3:00 ruined it for me - showed the winner of this match right away, need to fix that editor...
Spoiler
Lol, Bisu helping hero to make sure no protoss goes beyond ro8 if he won't.
That ogre rolled a nat one and tripped on his shoelaces
Why are there so many starcraft players named hero with some funky spelling!
like I know Hydras shoot spines but the kid in me still believes they spit.
1:04:40 artosis face ,just sayin
tweekin lol
Evig Laugh *hahahah*
"Ahhtoshis? Ahhtoshis? Hahaha haha haha haha!" - Snow
i guess snow didnt speak finnish this time
At 1:04:45 why is artosis having a seizure
Spoiler
I'm happy for Hero, but...
Pleaaaaase no ZvZ finale !...
I’m going back to giving my money to Amouranth on only fans.