That power converter he has is basically an alternator. Would be equivalent to like a 160-180 amp alternator, his converter is a 120 amp, but doesn't have any vehicle related drains on it like the vehicles lights, gauges, computer, etc.
@Whatta u seem to know you're stuff with the answers u are given..so I have a 06 buick lucerne cxl and my battery is under my bck seats..I jus bought a xs xp1500 battery and put it in the trunk with my amps .So would I hook the ixous ultracapacitor to my main battery under the seat or can I hook it up to the xs xp1500 in the trunk with my amps??Thanks
@@lifewithkeith310 I know you asked this a long time ago but it has a mode where you can start your vehicle in an emergency. Otherwise it's basically a high amp 2ah battery so it has "no capacity".. even though it's a capacitor lol
Thank you for educating on this I watch and learn right now I got a Stinger AGM up front and a Xs AGM in the rear running 2 JL w7s in 4th order custom enclosure JL 1200.1 and 300.4but I’m interested in the ultra cap and gonna put some change to the side and get one .Great info thanks for bringing this back I’m tuned in and will continue to support the channel and showing ❤️from Maryland.and I’m open to all feedback slam Nation
Ohhh I love it. I just bought one of these not long ago but haven't gotten to the system in my Total 3rd gen 4runner build. So this ultra cap is going to be running with 192 ah Lifepo4. Those batteries you picked up is what I've been using for years. Headway 38120's. You're going to shit on how much of a difference that's going to make. I built 3 of those that you have. If you get the right bus bars they fit perfectly in a empty 3100 battery box. But yeah, I have Alllllll this power for 10k watts at full tilt. I'mma have power for days and days and days!!! Frick yes!! 😁👍
When I woke up today, I never would have thought that I'd be learning about car stereos and capacitors from Paul Pierce. For real though, thanks for the knowledge! Truth!
First time watcher and definitely a new subscriber. Great content, well executed display, walked us all through what you had going on and how to set it up correctly. Showed where all the test equipment goes and what numbers we’re looking for. Look forward to more of your videos. 💯
I added a 240 alt.. kept stock battery.. Orion was killing my voltage.. added the cap and was very impressed.. I'm holding 13.5 and up.. usually 14.2/14.3 . Very impressed by this capacitor
@@gaugeyoung8270 lick flicker will never be solved. Unless you're running an excessive amount of bank. Your best bet for fixing light flicker would be to get LEDs. This cap would help for voltage drop which is probably why you're looking into it
To best understand the reason for minimizing the power cable length between capacitor and the amplifier, it helps to understand 2 things. 1) that wires carrying current act like an inductor that impedes or resist changes in current, thus causes voltage drops during momentary peak demands from an amplifier. 2) The second thing to understand is that capacitor's capacitive reactance resist changes in voltage. Thus capacitors closest to the load helps to stabilize the voltage at the load. Points 1 and 2 together helps stabilise the voltage for the amplifier.
so, a way i was taught by an electrical engineer, look at it like a faucet, a bucket and a hole in the bucket. the alternator is the faucet, and the battery is a bucket and the amplifier is the hole in the bucket. the cap is just adding a second bucket the first one can fill faster, but its still at the original mercy of the alternator/faucet. if you bump your setup with 200 amps of draw, you'll only have a few minutes before the voltage drop will not recover due to the first bucket being drained.
I was thinking about getting one of these super cap for my set-up. But now I know I really don't need it. Already have done Big 4 and yellow top optima battery under the hood xs power d925 battery in the trunk for a single fosgate t1 12 800 watts rms subwoofer wired to kicker cxa1200.1 amp. All 0 gauge ofc wires.
The polymer is more unstable than lifepo4 big time. I'm stoked you got some bro. Itll compliment your ultracap. You bout to have stable voltage. I've learned when they're room temp they don't perform as well as when they're 90-100 deg. I've got 2-72ah banks now feeding a xs sb-630 farad ultracap, now my little 7-8k system doesn't stress a bit. Ive got 2-120mm fans, a temp controller in a stout box I built w/2 new and 2 poss coming from each bank n again, that shit is powerfull af brah... Stoked to see what you do with em man. Keep the good content comin. N you was right bout loving your next video
So question. In that set up. If you Eliminated your AGM battery. and ran the power supply straight to the cap. you say the cap will not turn on unless it sees power. ok, so why don't? When you turn on your power supply right then and there. The battery will have voltage at the top, thus turning on?
Cake truck!! I want that to stop by my house!!! Hey lil Debbie why you don’t come by sometime!! 🤣. 10 years on that ultra cap 🤘🏽. I need me one of them for my system in the making.
That ultra cap was designed for a totally different reason and they didn't work for the original design and the company had all these made and decided to use them for car audio applications.
Yes it is working in this scenario just fine but if the Impedance Rise was less (lets say 1.5-2 ohm) then the output power of the Amplifier would have been more which in turn would have caused the voltage to drop lower.
Yeah, thats why he is using such large amps, because his impedance rise is so large. Do you know how to change or manipulate the impedance rise? Maybe change the box design? Maybe get some subs that wire up 0.5 ohm resistive? How can you even measure real time impedance without a $500 meter? Can a DMM measure it?
That cap is worth every penny. It can even jump a dead car, start a car by itself. It pays for itself. Awsome purchase. Hoping to get one myself just to help the electrical.
fuck yes thats what i like to gear about a product i just bought. Going to be running parallel with Scib cells. Should be clean signal through out the bandwidth
You are so good at teaching you have tough me more in just 2 of your video then I have ever got from years of the other guy on TH-cam I have been a exo fan but I think you are a better teacher thank you thank you
excellent teacher for understanding it and showing it . most no respect I probably would also go on rambling during the teaching and never go back it's a just do it type thing.
I just bought a yellow top 2 months ago and it's shot, the place I bought it from told me "you have a serious electrical problem, we won't warranty your battery every 2-3 months if you don't fix it" I laughed and said it's not a problem , I just need to get a few more things
If u buy this n use it right. U will not need a high output alt. It really depends on how big of a system u plan on goin. But if u hav a newer car that has a lot of sensors the ultra cap is the way to go. I have 1 in
Just bought 2 for my 2 3k smarts taramps . They draw hella power and I have 3 batteries. Now I will have 5 batteries 4music 1 under hood plus 2 Caps. I shouldn’t see a drop just straight pounding 😊
I thought u said have the ultracap closest to the starter ,then put the amp close to the cap???? In my car my lithium battery is in the trunk and my cap would have to be under my seat where the factory battery used to be and my amp in the middle of the lithhium battery and the cap. Is that ok? Cause i dont have no under the hood battery
I'm not gonna lie. I've been scared to get into the lithium. I've got 5 kids and it makes me nervous. So I'm glad ur gonna drop some knowledge on that! I've stuck to my AGMs. But I wanna get a bass 8k, and I'm gonna need that lithium power, ya know.
Yeah, it could be very dangerous if not done correctly and sometimes dangerous 'when' done correctly. Usually because of other components though. I think a lot of people are going to be a little shocked at what I say about it.
People are dumb with lithium they hook it right up to there 350amp alt that is made for a battery with a high ohm load but lithium is sub ohm stupid low ohm load so the alt never stops charging at full power And lithium has to be charged in a stepdown manner or else it kills the battery real quick
Do it have to be in that order. I see how u got the agm in the front ????? My only lithium is in my trunk. I did a battery delete and i have no battery inside the car ot under the hood ,can i put the ultracap in front the taramps under the seat where my factory battery location is and have the amp in the middle and keep my lithium in the trunk ??????
Capacitors have the quickest discharge. So it is 'preferred' to put it closest to the amp. This way, it can take most of the demand (power-draw) and save your battery the hassle of doing it. But as long as you have it 'somewhere' in the chain, you will see benefits.
Thank you so much for doing this test I've been on the fence about getting that ultra cap. How about you do a test with a lithium battery so we can see what it looks like. The thing that most people say about that amp when you need a huge battery Bank is because they want to run it with multiple subs. In that case yes you will need a little bit more
💡You just proved everything you've been explaining!👍 Also a lot of people don't know this, but all those limitless cyber edition batteries have in them is 19ah's of lithium and 2 cell's of these caps in both the cyber 6k and the 12k😂👍
@@catherineharris4746 if it only had two cells in it then that would make it an 8 volt battery because it best you're only going to get 4.2 volts out of a lithium cell so it would need a minimum of 4 cells
Thanks for the vid. My system is over 20,000 watts RMS. So I got 2 of the 190ah agm batteries, 2 regular batteries, a 200 amp alternator, and now 2 of these ultracaps. Putting everything together rt. Now. Hope 2 of these together work well.
@@BudgetBassHead thanks I got it. I don't see the purpose of it but I'm in. It's just tell me what my voltage looking like. I thought I could do more. What it is the purpose of the blue tooth???? I thought it would give me options to do things
So the impedance value will change based on frequency. As you go up or down the power output will change. I would see what the impedance is at different frequencies without recording. Seeing where the current draw is.
Grab it, I got the sb-630 little over half a yr ago. It's good to right where my voltage runs it says no more than 14.3 I'm running at 14.2. Xs power told me I'd get far more out of it since my voltage can fill the caps most the way. I now have 2- 72ah banks of headways feeding the sb630 AND a couple agms. My voltage is seriously solid. Even at a light thumping, ac and lights on I don't see less than 13.8. If you go that route you'll be happy
My main thing is I plan on running 2-3 in the back of car on 3 5ks. But I also have an ho alternator coming in the mail and a big 3 to do with 0 gauge running through the car. But you say keep as close to the power source, will there be a noticable difference? I plan on charging up to 16 volts.
Your voltage drop so im guessing you have your converter set to charge instead of fix. I have my set to fix along with an agm and it holds at 14.4v (set mine at 14.4v). Not sure if i should leave at fix or charge setting.
hey I got a question for you I have 2018 ford f150 super crew cab I have on back Costin box subwoofer with 4 8" subwoofer have two amp one have 1200 In the other amp 2000 I need to put a capacitor So my lights from inside den flashing
So im running the skar 150.4 and a cab45 on door sleakers and two vxf12s. I installed a brandx 320 ho alt and big 3 , running stock battery on engine. Do you think this ultra capacitor will help and be good for the power draw im probably never going to full tilt and never run my system with car off. What do you think. It was this or the xs power d3400
I plan on running 2x 3k watt amps..one for bass and other for mids and highs… would just adding this cap be enough ? Or would I need a bank of lithium batteries? I also may have another amp but may only be 1k watts for 2 10” mids and horns …
I been running lifep04 lithium for about 3 months now and its great. Only problem is trying to run it along with agm batteries. The lithium definitely needs to be isolated from the agm when the vehicle is off bc the lithium has a resting voltage of 13.2 and the agm is 12.8. The agm will drain the lithium if not isolated. I built my own battery and its been great tho. Plan to have all lithium and a bank of super caps very soon.
Your clamp meter is set on AC current/amps. I'm not sure that model clamp meter will measure DC current/amps. The LCD screen says AC . Also measure on the positive leads too.
Just some input on wire. Your counting strands but each manufacturer uses different diameter strands and when u use tinned ofc u lose even more copper diameter so when u say this 4 gauge is equal to 2/0 your equation is not working. For example weigh the wire you have compared to sky high or any premium cable and you'll notice a huge difference because of the copper weight difference. You really should be running two runs of the 1/0
Yeah I cringe a little when he says his oversize 1/0 is equivalent to 4/0 welding wire... Not even close. I can't fit my 4/0 copper welding wire into my Taramps MD 8ks inputs. But I digress, we are all learning. I learn something new every day.
He's actually going by the wire core diameter that knukonceptz posts. They list their 1/0 wire as having a 12mm diameter. AWG lists 4/0 as having 11.7mm diameter. This is why he states its equivalent to 4/0. I personally measured it to be 10.5mm which is about 3/0 size. They say their 4ga is 8mm (just under 1/0 specs of 8.25mm), but I measure 6.5mm which is about 2ga (9.3mm). I'm sure the tin coating adds to the size, but it also carries current so I doubt it inflates the diameter very much. I doubt you would see any difference in weight compared to SkyHigh tinned ofc cable. I believe they are also slightly oversized just like KnuKonceptz.
@@Widowmaker2828 I believe the MD8000 is listed as having 2/0 inputs. You need to measure their inner diameter to see if it matches 2/0 specs which is 9.3mm. Technically you should not be able to fit 4/0 (11.7mm) wire into a 2/0 (9.3mm) hole.
13 v with test tone that's awesome people have to remember muis it a lot easier on everything cos alot more dynamic so the cap will have time to get a bit of charge time in between so Voltage drop will be alot less
Hey bud I don't comment much but I need to correct you on something if you're willing to learn. When you pulled out one of the RCAs on the amp and said now it's 2 volts is wrong. Each one Will show the same voltage if checked with meter. Derek Haddock with Sundown showed this in a video. The channel is Sundown unofficial
I'm here to learn or help. How about doing a video testing this theory. I think there would be a mythe confirmed or mythe busted. Either way we would know. Just a thought.
@@BudgetBassHead I thought the same thing about the “inputs are summed internally ” line in my old school MMATS amp install book and was concerned about frying my inputs by giving them too much voltage from my line driver so before putting it back in service I took to the forums and emailed the manufacturer. What I learned was 1) you can fry rca inputs if you run the above recommend voltage (how far above or for how long???) 2) most amplifiers don’t give you more power (or at least not enough to be worth it) above recommended rca voltage. And 3) inputs summed internally means the signal not the voltage is summed. The person I was talking to in the forum got really technical trying to explain the why for me at this point and completely lost me. MMATS emailed back months later with a single sentence saying rca voltage is not added between the inputs. Something to look into
So no fix on the box rise or impedence rise? After i seen yours it made me wunder so i started doing mine. I have two sa15d4 rev3 in a 2020 kia Optima special edition pushed by taramps 3k smart. I have wired at 4ohm final. The sound quality is beautiful but a ran my impedence and couldn't believe what i was seeing. Going to wire down to 1ohm hopefully help with that issue a little. There has to be a way to combatant the rise. Or buy an amp thats way more powerful than whats need to compensate. Id love to hear what youve learned. Awsome videos. O and the rifle is beautiful. Keep up the great work we appreciate all of your time you dedicate to us and all the great info.
With box rise you definitely want to get a bigger amp like if your subs or 1krms a piece you buy a 3k amp be cause your going to rise atleast 2 to 3 ohms and that 3k at 2 ohms will be like 2k so your subs will get the power they need some would even suggest a 4 k amp for a 2krms situation.
I'm only running a 1500 watt amplifier and thinking about upgrading to 2500 but that will be it. 1x VXF 15. Currently, I have a North Star AGM battery under the hood with 840 CCA. 1/0 awg skyhigh+ big 3. My question is about adding a second battery in the back. I have been told I need another AGM and was going to just get another of the same and wire in parallel. Now I wonder if I should be getting an ultra cap instead? The North Star battery is great. Which power source would you put in the back of the car to supplement the North Star under the hood? How would you wire it? I've been kind of stuck on this question for about a month now. I would like to solve it. Edit: stock alternator btw.
First monitor your voltage. If you dip closer to 10 v then you will probably need another AGM battery. If your voltage dip closer to 12 v then an ultra capacitor will benefit you greatly.
Just wanted to add that SparkEd and Richard Vedvik also have some informative videos on Supercaps...Ultracaps... and how they work in conjunction with your existing batteries.
@@BudgetBassHead he works @ or used to work for Showtime Electronics and now works at his own business at sparked Innovations and is a dealer for xs power
Great informative video. I realize this is more of a test bench setup, but be careful running 4g to the MD 8k. I clamped over 8100w on mine and sucked up quite a bit of current ~700a :) I use dual 1/0 to 1/0 reducers since I use mine as a continuous daily instead of a burp SPL build. Just subscribed!
How do you compare that cap to a lithium? 2ndly people tend to think full range amps are more efficient than 1/2 range amps. So I'd have to ask in your opinion how's the power draw in reference to your 1/2 range audio pipe amps especially since these amp seem power hungry? That may be an unfair question be that you haven't ran 8k in your previous setup, but please elaborate as best you can in your opinion. And last lastly I noticed you don't have a DSP. So with that being said how's the lows in comparison to your 1/2 range setup? Actually that's more like comparing 35hz to the 90hz on the LPF of the amps. But please again just your opinion. Thanks and we'll be stay tuned.
Lithium is a great medium of both worlds. They have more capacity than capacitors, but not the discharge rate. Granted, Headway 38120 HP cells can discharge safely @200A or so, but Super Capacitors can do way more.
Hello I'd like to start out by saying I love your car audio videos I have one question about the ulra capacitor UC31 I have one AGM in the front and 1 AGM in the back doyou think I will get a better result by moving the AGM from the back and replacing it with uc31
Im running a bass 8k taramps with a 150 amp stock alternator agm battery up under the hood and 3 112 ah in the back right close to my amplifier? At full tilt 13.0 volts? But I never go full tilt because im daily driving so volume half way up 14 .2 volts that's all I need now competition different story
Your amplifier is in quiet mode you have to have music coming through your amplifier so that amplifier can warm up then you would know the difference turn your volume on eight and see if the amplifier warms up
I’ve tested my super cap by dropping the voltage down to about 10.5-11v, when starting a civic. It did very well for starting, but what was weird to see was the voltage gauge go up slowly instead of instantly (70amp factory alt) I think it took about 4-5 seconds to fully charge.
No, a voltage regulator would pull more amps to maintain the voltage. That's basically what the amp is doing. It's trying to put out more voltage to the sub by drawing more amps. You need power to make power.
I’m pretty sure on the taraamps they don’t have left and right inputs on mine the red is a single rca in and the white rca on bottom is a single rca output
I mean damn I wish I had the equipment that u do cuz there is a lot that u can test for like ie some pro audio set up still use clam shell for subwoofers now does clam shell help move a recommended box spec more efficiently? Idk things to think about
The cap is a good investment and also keep in mind if it’s in a vehicle with a alternator it would work even better
That power converter he has is basically an alternator. Would be equivalent to like a 160-180 amp alternator, his converter is a 120 amp, but doesn't have any vehicle related drains on it like the vehicles lights, gauges, computer, etc.
Can u run this battery under the hood
@@lifewithkeith310 it's best to run stuff like this directly beside of your amp. Less voltage drop on a short power run.
@Whatta u seem to know you're stuff with the answers u are given..so I have a 06 buick lucerne cxl and my battery is under my bck seats..I jus bought a xs xp1500 battery and put it in the trunk with my amps .So would I hook the ixous ultracapacitor to my main battery under the seat or can I hook it up to the xs xp1500 in the trunk with my amps??Thanks
@@lifewithkeith310 I know you asked this a long time ago but it has a mode where you can start your vehicle in an emergency.
Otherwise it's basically a high amp 2ah battery so it has "no capacity".. even though it's a capacitor lol
Thank you for educating on this I watch and learn right now I got a Stinger AGM up front and a Xs AGM in the rear running 2 JL w7s in 4th order custom enclosure JL 1200.1 and 300.4but I’m interested in the ultra cap and gonna put some change to the side and get one .Great info thanks for bringing this back I’m tuned in and will continue to support the channel and showing ❤️from Maryland.and I’m open to all feedback slam Nation
Ohhh I love it. I just bought one of these not long ago but haven't gotten to the system in my Total 3rd gen 4runner build. So this ultra cap is going to be running with 192 ah Lifepo4. Those batteries you picked up is what I've been using for years. Headway 38120's. You're going to shit on how much of a difference that's going to make. I built 3 of those that you have. If you get the right bus bars they fit perfectly in a empty 3100 battery box. But yeah, I have Alllllll this power for 10k watts at full tilt. I'mma have power for days and days and days!!! Frick yes!! 😁👍
When I woke up today, I never would have thought that I'd be learning about car stereos and capacitors from Paul Pierce.
For real though, thanks for the knowledge! Truth!
You're welcome
Rock Chalk.
First time watcher and definitely a new subscriber. Great content, well executed display, walked us all through what you had going on and how to set it up correctly. Showed where all the test equipment goes and what numbers we’re looking for. Look forward to more of your videos. 💯
I added a 240 alt.. kept stock battery.. Orion was killing my voltage.. added the cap and was very impressed.. I'm holding 13.5 and up.. usually 14.2/14.3 . Very impressed by this capacitor
Did you run the ultra cap? Would it help on my system my rpm drops an light flicker when subs hit
@@gaugeyoung8270 lick flicker will never be solved. Unless you're running an excessive amount of bank. Your best bet for fixing light flicker would be to get LEDs. This cap would help for voltage drop which is probably why you're looking into it
@@kevinmontoya7318 I don’t the big 3 upgrade an it solved it
To best understand the reason for minimizing the power cable length between capacitor and the amplifier, it helps to understand 2 things. 1) that wires carrying current act like an inductor that impedes or resist changes in current, thus causes voltage drops during momentary peak demands from an amplifier. 2) The second thing to understand is that capacitor's capacitive reactance resist changes in voltage. Thus capacitors closest to the load helps to stabilize the voltage at the load. Points 1 and 2 together helps stabilise the voltage for the amplifier.
so, a way i was taught by an electrical engineer, look at it like a faucet, a bucket and a hole in the bucket. the alternator is the faucet, and the battery is a bucket and the amplifier is the hole in the bucket. the cap is just adding a second bucket the first one can fill faster, but its still at the original mercy of the alternator/faucet. if you bump your setup with 200 amps of draw, you'll only have a few minutes before the voltage drop will not recover due to the first bucket being drained.
I was thinking about getting one of these super cap for my set-up. But now I know I really don't need it. Already have done Big 4 and yellow top optima battery under the hood xs power d925 battery in the trunk for a single fosgate t1 12 800 watts rms subwoofer wired to kicker cxa1200.1 amp. All 0 gauge ofc wires.
The polymer is more unstable than lifepo4 big time. I'm stoked you got some bro. Itll compliment your ultracap. You bout to have stable voltage. I've learned when they're room temp they don't perform as well as when they're 90-100 deg. I've got 2-72ah banks now feeding a xs sb-630 farad ultracap, now my little 7-8k system doesn't stress a bit. Ive got 2-120mm fans, a temp controller in a stout box I built w/2 new and 2 poss coming from each bank n again, that shit is powerfull af brah... Stoked to see what you do with em man. Keep the good content comin. N you was right bout loving your next video
So question. In that set up.
If you Eliminated your AGM battery. and ran the power supply straight to the cap. you say the cap will not turn on unless it sees power. ok, so why don't? When you turn on your power supply right then and there. The battery will have voltage at the top, thus turning on?
Cake truck!! I want that to stop by my house!!! Hey lil Debbie why you don’t come by sometime!! 🤣.
10 years on that ultra cap 🤘🏽.
I need me one of them for my system in the making.
That ultra cap was designed for a totally different reason and they didn't work for the original design and the company had all these made and decided to use them for car audio applications.
Yeah capacitors are great for kicks dynamic bursts and getting a starter going but for sustained pull off bass tones only more battery can help
Yes it is working in this scenario just fine but if the Impedance Rise was less (lets say 1.5-2 ohm) then the output power of the Amplifier would have been more which in turn would have caused the voltage to drop lower.
Yeah, thats why he is using such large amps, because his impedance rise is so large. Do you know how to change or manipulate the impedance rise? Maybe change the box design? Maybe get some subs that wire up 0.5 ohm resistive?
How can you even measure real time impedance without a $500 meter? Can a DMM measure it?
Get a sub with different ohms
@@JasonWW2000yessir you can monitor real-time impedance and wattage for $150
@@sf61092right a qual coil with coil1- 1ohm
coil2- 2 ohms
coil3- 3 ohms
coil4- 4 ohms
@@emilyhouse9642 I'm not aware that's possible. Can you give some more information? Thanks.
That cap is worth every penny. It can even jump a dead car, start a car by itself. It pays for itself. Awsome purchase. Hoping to get one myself just to help the electrical.
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fuck yes thats what i like to gear about a product i just bought. Going to be running parallel with Scib cells. Should be clean signal through out the bandwidth
You are so good at teaching you have tough me more in just 2 of your video then I have ever got from years of the other guy on TH-cam I have been a exo fan but I think you are a better teacher thank you thank you
Thanks for the support! 🤟
excellent teacher for understanding it and showing it . most no respect I probably would also go on rambling during the teaching and never go back it's a just do it type thing.
I just bought a yellow top 2 months ago and it's shot, the place I bought it from told me "you have a serious electrical problem, we won't warranty your battery every 2-3 months if you don't fix it" I laughed and said it's not a problem , I just need to get a few more things
Voltage drop can also do harm to the tcm and ecm on your vehicle
When that piece from the ceiling fell I died laughing.
🤣🤣 watching just for that
The power is there, please run a peak test with multiple tone bursts.
If u buy this n use it right. U will not need a high output alt. It really depends on how big of a system u plan on goin. But if u hav a newer car that has a lot of sensors the ultra cap is the way to go. I have 1 in
Just bought 2 for my 2 3k smarts taramps . They draw hella power and I have 3 batteries. Now I will have 5 batteries 4music 1 under hood plus 2 Caps. I shouldn’t see a drop just straight pounding 😊
I thought u said have the ultracap closest to the starter ,then put the amp close to the cap???? In my car my lithium battery is in the trunk and my cap would have to be under my seat where the factory battery used to be and my amp in the middle of the lithhium battery and the cap. Is that ok? Cause i dont have no under the hood battery
A very smart man people need to pay attention and use your advice💯 👍 👍👍
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I have 2 of them caps they sell right now as B stock for 140. You can’t beat that.
I am so glade you made this video cause I also bought that same cap and was in need of some educating and knowing wat to expect
Thank you sir and I will subscribe cause this was most educating
The fwct you use wire ferrules instead of just shoving the bare wire into the worm nuts is awsome ❤
Will one be good enough for the big boss 8. I heard I may need two but I don't have room for 2
I'm not gonna lie. I've been scared to get into the lithium. I've got 5 kids and it makes me nervous. So I'm glad ur gonna drop some knowledge on that! I've stuck to my AGMs. But I wanna get a bass 8k, and I'm gonna need that lithium power, ya know.
Yeah, it could be very dangerous if not done correctly and sometimes dangerous 'when' done correctly. Usually because of other components though. I think a lot of people are going to be a little shocked at what I say about it.
People are dumb with lithium they hook it right up to there 350amp alt that is made for a battery with a high ohm load but lithium is sub ohm stupid low ohm load so the alt never stops charging at full power
And lithium has to be charged in a stepdown manner or else it kills the battery real quick
This exact super cap has a recall for blowing up
I'm scared of that lithium too
@wooleezy318 well I've been using it almost 2 years now. And I could never go back lol. The voltage is just too solid!👌
Do it have to be in that order. I see how u got the agm in the front ????? My only lithium is in my trunk. I did a battery delete and i have no battery inside the car ot under the hood ,can i put the ultracap in front the taramps under the seat where my factory battery location is and have the amp in the middle and keep my lithium in the trunk ??????
Capacitors have the quickest discharge. So it is 'preferred' to put it closest to the amp. This way, it can take most of the demand (power-draw) and save your battery the hassle of doing it. But as long as you have it 'somewhere' in the chain, you will see benefits.
I have had all the Brazilian brands and the stetsom vulcan is the beast
Thank you so much for doing this test I've been on the fence about getting that ultra cap. How about you do a test with a lithium battery so we can see what it looks like. The thing that most people say about that amp when you need a huge battery Bank is because they want to run it with multiple subs. In that case yes you will need a little bit more
Lithium test coming in the next few vids 👌
Lithium will destroy the Ultra Cap.
@@BudgetBassHead ive got honda insight 5ah cells sitting 8n my house waiting to be made into ether 2 45ah or 1 90ah battery 😁
@@BudgetBassHead Hope you're safe and healthy. We haven't seen anything from lately. Sending my blessings
@@liftedcj7on44s Why?
Better video than the people trying to sell them thank you
💡You just proved everything you've been explaining!👍 Also a lot of people don't know this, but all those limitless cyber edition batteries have in them is 19ah's of lithium and 2 cell's of these caps in both the cyber 6k and the 12k😂👍
Wow. That's great info to know 👍
Well you dont know much about cells
@@KnowName33 Well please enlighten me with the knowledge you hold so i may learn😔
@@catherineharris4746 if it only had two cells in it then that would make it an 8 volt battery because it best you're only going to get 4.2 volts out of a lithium cell so it would need a minimum of 4 cells
@@KnowName33 you do know there is many different types of cells out there do you know the cells within the cybers?
Thanks for the vid. My system is over 20,000 watts RMS. So I got 2 of the 190ah agm batteries, 2 regular batteries, a 200 amp alternator, and now 2 of these ultracaps. Putting everything together rt. Now. Hope 2 of these together work well.
Sounds great!
How did it go
@@moneymac5214 great! Voltage does stay up. Can tell the ioxus do make a difference. Getting a stetsom 200Amp charger this week
@@Djmambo77 I heard they causes fires
Did you run these in parallel? Thinking of doing the same.. 350a Alt, 2 110ah agm’s running an 8k and a couple 4 channels
Did you ground the cap to chasie are neg on amp? Were all the negative run parallel?
Ground to chasie
I'm having trouble connecting blue tooth with the ultra cap. How does it work. Do I down load a app
Yes. The uSTART app by Ioxus.inc. get it in the Google Play Store
@@BudgetBassHead thanks I got it. I don't see the purpose of it but I'm in. It's just tell me what my voltage looking like. I thought I could do more. What it is the purpose of the blue tooth???? I thought it would give me options to do things
Mechanics at auto shop cooked my agm battery now running with just the capactor It survived going to combine with headway build.
So the impedance value will change based on frequency. As you go up or down the power output will change.
I would see what the impedance is at different frequencies without recording. Seeing where the current draw is.
Yo that knukoncepts wire is super dope, I use it myself
U ran the test I've been waiting for in order to decide to purchase this xspower super cap..🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘💯. Thanks
Grab it, I got the sb-630 little over half a yr ago. It's good to right where my voltage runs it says no more than 14.3 I'm running at 14.2. Xs power told me I'd get far more out of it since my voltage can fill the caps most the way. I now have 2- 72ah banks of headways feeding the sb630 AND a couple agms. My voltage is seriously solid. Even at a light thumping, ac and lights on I don't see less than 13.8. If you go that route you'll be happy
If you haven’t bought one, droppin hertz has b stock for $199 I just bought one a couple weeks ago. That’s 1/2 price! 😉
My main thing is I plan on running 2-3 in the back of car on 3 5ks. But I also have an ho alternator coming in the mail and a big 3 to do with 0 gauge running through the car. But you say keep as close to the power source, will there be a noticable difference? I plan on charging up to 16 volts.
Your voltage drop so im guessing you have your converter set to charge instead of fix. I have my set to fix along with an agm and it holds at 14.4v (set mine at 14.4v). Not sure if i should leave at fix or charge setting.
hey I got a question for you I have 2018 ford f150 super crew cab I have on back Costin box subwoofer with 4 8" subwoofer have two amp one have 1200 In the other amp 2000 I need to put a capacitor So my lights from inside den flashing
at 12:32 are you showing us something that you shouldnt be? HAHA!! A second amendment protection device per se?
Awesome video man. Glad to see someone put the Taramps to the test. Sharing these videos with friends. Educate. Peace bro
Just ordered my uc. What size post are your distribution blocks. M6?
Kollosus Flex and Ferrules, I like you style man!
Good stuff bbh.thanks a ton for the time to produce HIGH QUALITY COMTENT..
Those distribution blocks on the ultra caps, do you have to buy them separately?
Yes, they are Vgate brand. You can find them on Amazon. The ones he's using are about $38 a pair.
So im running the skar 150.4 and a cab45 on door sleakers and two vxf12s. I installed a brandx 320 ho alt and big 3 , running stock battery on engine. Do you think this ultra capacitor will help and be good for the power draw im probably never going to full tilt and never run my system with car off. What do you think. It was this or the xs power d3400
I plan on running 2x 3k watt amps..one for bass and other for mids and highs… would just adding this cap be enough ? Or would I need a bank of lithium batteries? I also may have another amp but may only be 1k watts for 2 10” mids and horns …
Add that lithium
I been running lifep04 lithium for about 3 months now and its great. Only problem is trying to run it along with agm batteries. The lithium definitely needs to be isolated from the agm when the vehicle is off bc the lithium has a resting voltage of 13.2 and the agm is 12.8. The agm will drain the lithium if not isolated. I built my own battery and its been great tho. Plan to have all lithium and a bank of super caps very soon.
Lifepo4 can be ran with a agm. But lifepo4 works better without and voltage will rest higher
Infoknowledge thanks bro.
Your clamp meter is set on AC current/amps. I'm not sure that model clamp meter will measure DC current/amps. The LCD screen says AC . Also measure on the positive leads too.
good catch 👍 I'll explain this in the next video.
@@BudgetBassHead love your channel
I definitely like these Types of test
Just some input on wire. Your counting strands but each manufacturer uses different diameter strands and when u use tinned ofc u lose even more copper diameter so when u say this 4 gauge is equal to 2/0 your equation is not working. For example weigh the wire you have compared to sky high or any premium cable and you'll notice a huge difference because of the copper weight difference. You really should be running two runs of the 1/0
Yeah I cringe a little when he says his oversize 1/0 is equivalent to 4/0 welding wire... Not even close. I can't fit my 4/0 copper welding wire into my Taramps MD 8ks inputs. But I digress, we are all learning. I learn something new every day.
He's actually going by the wire core diameter that knukonceptz posts. They list their 1/0 wire as having a 12mm diameter. AWG lists 4/0 as having 11.7mm diameter. This is why he states its equivalent to 4/0. I personally measured it to be 10.5mm which is about 3/0 size.
They say their 4ga is 8mm (just under 1/0 specs of 8.25mm), but I measure 6.5mm which is about 2ga (9.3mm).
I'm sure the tin coating adds to the size, but it also carries current so I doubt it inflates the diameter very much.
I doubt you would see any difference in weight compared to SkyHigh tinned ofc cable. I believe they are also slightly oversized just like KnuKonceptz.
@@Widowmaker2828 I believe the MD8000 is listed as having 2/0 inputs. You need to measure their inner diameter to see if it matches 2/0 specs which is 9.3mm. Technically you should not be able to fit 4/0 (11.7mm) wire into a 2/0 (9.3mm) hole.
Love your videos! This helps a ton. Why double the wires to the cap? Power and ground. Necessary or overkill? Thanks
It was cheaper to buy another run of 4 gauge than zero gauge at the time. That has changed recently, though. All zero gauge in the car now.
13 v with test tone that's awesome people have to remember muis it a lot easier on everything cos alot more dynamic so the cap will have time to get a bit of charge time in between so Voltage drop will be alot less
What video editing software do you use? I'm just finding your channel and loving it!
Hey bud I don't comment much but I need to correct you on something if you're willing to learn. When you pulled out one of the RCAs on the amp and said now it's 2 volts is wrong. Each one Will show the same voltage if checked with meter. Derek Haddock with Sundown showed this in a video. The channel is Sundown unofficial
Derek was talking about Y-Splitters; not dual headed cables. And aren't the RCA's voltage summed internally? Thanks for the comment.
I'm here to learn or help. How about doing a video testing this theory. I think there would be a mythe confirmed or mythe busted. Either way we would know. Just a thought.
@@leewheeler1504 There's an idea for some unique content, you got my vote.
@@BudgetBassHead I thought the same thing about the “inputs are summed internally ” line in my old school MMATS amp install book and was concerned about frying my inputs by giving them too much voltage from my line driver so before putting it back in service I took to the forums and emailed the manufacturer. What I learned was 1) you can fry rca inputs if you run the above recommend voltage (how far above or for how long???) 2) most amplifiers don’t give you more power (or at least not enough to be worth it) above recommended rca voltage. And 3) inputs summed internally means the signal not the voltage is summed. The person I was talking to in the forum got really technical trying to explain the why for me at this point and completely lost me. MMATS emailed back months later with a single sentence saying rca voltage is not added between the inputs. Something to look into
Can it be ran with lithium? Was thinking of getting one to add, I have a 32 ah headway bank.
So no fix on the box rise or impedence rise? After i seen yours it made me wunder so i started doing mine. I have two sa15d4 rev3 in a 2020 kia Optima special edition pushed by taramps 3k smart. I have wired at 4ohm final. The sound quality is beautiful but a ran my impedence and couldn't believe what i was seeing. Going to wire down to 1ohm hopefully help with that issue a little. There has to be a way to combatant the rise. Or buy an amp thats way more powerful than whats need to compensate. Id love to hear what youve learned. Awsome videos. O and the rifle is beautiful. Keep up the great work we appreciate all of your time you dedicate to us and all the great info.
Thanks for the support💯 1 ohm tuning makes all the difference with these amps. Hope it works out. Keep us posted👍
With box rise you definitely want to get a bigger amp like if your subs or 1krms a piece you buy a 3k amp be cause your going to rise atleast 2 to 3 ohms and that 3k at 2 ohms will be like 2k so your subs will get the power they need some would even suggest a 4 k amp for a 2krms situation.
I'm only running a 1500 watt amplifier and thinking about upgrading to 2500 but that will be it. 1x VXF 15.
Currently, I have a North Star AGM battery under the hood with 840 CCA. 1/0 awg skyhigh+ big 3.
My question is about adding a second battery in the back. I have been told I need another AGM and was going to just get another of the same and wire in parallel.
Now I wonder if I should be getting an ultra cap instead? The North Star battery is great.
Which power source would you put in the back of the car to supplement the North Star under the hood? How would you wire it?
I've been kind of stuck on this question for about a month now. I would like to solve it.
Edit: stock alternator btw.
First monitor your voltage. If you dip closer to 10 v then you will probably need another AGM battery. If your voltage dip closer to 12 v then an ultra capacitor will benefit you greatly.
LOL, you need some non slip pads for under that box.....it was sliding...LOL Those amps a great
Does the ultracap work when the engine is off?
Just wanted to add that SparkEd and Richard Vedvik also have some informative videos on Supercaps...Ultracaps... and how they work in conjunction with your existing batteries.
Yep Ed works for XS Power, who now owns this product. Thanks for the info!
@@BudgetBassHead he works @ or used to work for Showtime Electronics and now works at his own business at sparked Innovations and is a dealer for xs power
Great informative video. I realize this is more of a test bench setup, but be careful running 4g to the MD 8k. I clamped over 8100w on mine and sucked up quite a bit of current ~700a :) I use dual 1/0 to 1/0 reducers since I use mine as a continuous daily instead of a burp SPL build. Just subscribed!
About to run eight 12s on a taramps bass 8k. I'm thinking about getting a limitless battery what do you suggest? Battery & alternator?
@@iceewhite autotech alt 320a and a good LTO bank, limitless is overpriced for no reason
@@215sinakia7 Their higher price is probably due to having higher overhead costs.
@@JasonWW2000 could be
@@JasonWW2000 or just paying for the name
Do you have to charge these before installing
Question..... Does the run light goes off after it charge,when the car is off?
How do you compare that cap to a lithium? 2ndly people tend to think full range amps are more efficient than 1/2 range amps. So I'd have to ask in your opinion how's the power draw in reference to your 1/2 range audio pipe amps especially since these amp seem power hungry? That may be an unfair question be that you haven't ran 8k in your previous setup, but please elaborate as best you can in your opinion. And last lastly I noticed you don't have a DSP. So with that being said how's the lows in comparison to your 1/2 range setup? Actually that's more like comparing 35hz to the 90hz on the LPF of the amps. But please again just your opinion. Thanks and we'll be stay tuned.
Lithium is a great medium of both worlds. They have more capacity than capacitors, but not the discharge rate. Granted, Headway 38120 HP cells can discharge safely @200A or so, but Super Capacitors can do way more.
Hello I'd like to start out by saying I love your car audio videos I have one question about the ulra capacitor UC31 I have one AGM in the front and 1 AGM in the back doyou think I will get a better result by moving the AGM from the back and replacing it with uc31
Im running a bass 8k taramps with a 150 amp stock alternator agm battery up under the hood and 3 112 ah in the back right close to my amplifier? At full tilt 13.0 volts? But I never go full tilt because im daily driving so volume half way up 14 .2 volts that's all I need now competition different story
Whats da difference between the ultracap an ustart ultra cap if any an them headways are great
Ok so just cause I'm still kinda lost.. with car audio in a car you want this closest to the amp or the starter?
Place it closest to the source demanding the most amp draw.
Thanks Steve!
Your amplifier is in quiet mode you have to have music coming through your amplifier so that amplifier can warm up then you would know the difference turn your volume on eight and see if the amplifier warms up
BTW I'm running a rp 3500 later going to replace it with a Taramps smart 5k
Hello I'm John and I was wondering what will happen if you ran two batteries together with that same test if it gave you the same results?
The cap also helps your voltage recover alot quicker
I’ve tested my super cap by dropping the voltage down to about 10.5-11v, when starting a civic. It did very well for starting, but what was weird to see was the voltage gauge go up slowly instead of instantly (70amp factory alt) I think it took about 4-5 seconds to fully charge.
@@russelllopez4171 I'm sure it depends on alot of factors. Car, alt, battery etc......
Looking forward to the lithium vids!!
so i just got a MD 5k.1 mono so what should we be okay with to power it without damaging the amp? please help
my damn ultra cap stays with the yellow light flashing. How do I make it solid?
Its all worth it. Would a regulator help in order to control the voltage drop and stabilize the voltage flow? Good job bro!
No, a voltage regulator would pull more amps to maintain the voltage. That's basically what the amp is doing. It's trying to put out more voltage to the sub by drawing more amps. You need power to make power.
I'd love to see this test using batteries that cost the same as the cap. Just for giggles and experimentation.
Super informative, thanks for the great vids!
Coupled with some glowe voltage lithium you'll be golden . Get the ioxus b stock for $129. It's a steal. Buy em now before they don't exist
yo i have the series 2 and was thinking about using one of these to help with drop. Everyone is saying i can't charge at 14.8 with the cap.
Can I run one of these with a agm under the hood and a D4S LTO 6 ???
Steve Harvey doing battery review
Can you pair this with a lead acid battery
I'm asking the same thing. Can't find the answer anywhere.
Hello would you happen to know the 4-Digit pin to enter when pairing the battery to your phone mind refuses to pair
Will a deep cycle battery work
Thanks for sharing 😊
Hi do you need to charge it before putting it in the car
No. It has internal circuits that doesn't allow it to power on until it's sees 13 volts or better.
I’m pretty sure on the taraamps they don’t have left and right inputs on mine the red is a single rca in and the white rca on bottom is a single rca output
Ok I see electrical os a factor now if it's not to much to ask what about the box it's self big vs small ported vs sealed single sub vs 2
I like your content. Keep it up I've already learned a lot on your channel.
Awesome, thank you!
I mean damn I wish I had the equipment that u do cuz there is a lot that u can test for like ie some pro audio set up still use clam shell for subwoofers now does clam shell help move a recommended box spec more efficiently?
Idk things to think about
wouldnt you want to redo your gains? Because before, you were dropping voltage bad. So that would mean you would reach clipping prematurely?
Voltage only drop when you put a load on the amplifier. I set my games with the subwoofer disconnected.
I have 2 northstar batteries on a smart 3 thinking about gettin the smart 5 would u recommend a high output alt or super capacitor or both
Both