SEGA LISTEN TO THIS MAN!!! I agree. 1250 Photon Scales is soo many. And to anyone who didnt buy any N Potential Substitutes, its just a real bad feeling knowing you have to grind UQ's daily for over a month. I really wish they had waited on the AC Support Scratch until now. It would keep the prices high but allow players who wanted to go into Cinquem the option of either grinding in game for meseta or spending AC to maybe get those items. Kinda scummy to release these 1 month before they're super relevant.
I started playing NGS three days ago and invested in 3x Schwarzest Armor for my Sword Hunter build. Managed to snipe the 3 units for dirt cheap on my ship and augmented them with the 3 units +40 we obtain from clearing story quests. I'm now level 35 and plan to switch to Cinquem Sword at 36. I'm a f2p srub so i'll go really budget build with gear +40 and potency 1 (will see later if I want to invest the photon scales) My affix are: Gigas Might I, Might III, Daityl Soul II and Magnus Note. 7% melee dmg, 5hp and 5pp added to each piece of gear.
Incredible early game build! and in my opinion you really wont need to go any deeper into augments unless you want to perfect gear and see what your true potential is with a class. Super hyped you're in the new units! They are wonderful and will last you for a while.
I like that this does the math without making predictions, as this game is still "new" and patterns aren't set yet. But I will make a prediction that I'm 100% sure will happen. Sometime in March they will have another seasonal event and allow you to get like 600 or more Photon Scales a week via Seasonal points turn ins. That and/ or they will bring back the AC scratch for support items to skip steps, maybe start adding them to reg AC scratches. They are giving us weapons that are hard to upgrade so that they can get people to play more when the means to upgrade them is plentiful.
Possible! I 100% Agree that there will be other means of getting scales. Limited time quests, maybe even weekly quests too. Item exchange, seasonal points shop as you mentioned. I hope that this was a one-off idea to change the level 4 item requirement as I would be concerned as to what the players will be doing with all their N-EX cubes now lol
Hopefully, it's the only way I'll realistically be able to unlock one to max because even with more higher rank combat zones and Falz i still don't see myself playing any more often than i usually do.
This is so helpful. Decided not to switch from Geant to the Schwarz- series. Especially having to spend 2 less Refiners on each unit's a relief since the current state of getting them's a pretty hefty task. Great video!
I like that I can create a multiweapon from cinquem, it saves time and cost so much than farming reliks. My friend farms the fields and battledia everyday for weeks, not even a relik weapon dropped for him and their prices are atronomical in the personal shop.
imjere a gunner using your build of Vidalun And 2 greas since i am S roll Spammer i think i have 90% survival rate on a boss(unless i messed up timing or do too much invest to bullet rave)
Absolutely! It really is a case-by-case basis when it comes to units and augments. Certain classes just feel better with certain HP and PP thresholds. Take for example me: I play Hunter, so I have 20% Damage reduction from my skill tree plus Iron Will which prevents incapacitation every 3 minutes. I feel really confident in going completely glass cannon. This isnt the case for another class without these defensive skills. So go test how much health you really feel you need for certain things. Example: Most players will go test how much damage they take from certain Gigantix attacks and then make it a goal to get at least that much HP, therefore they will survive certain attacks.
Im currently running 2 Greas w/ fixa 2 guards and 1 Vidalun w/ fixa 3 guard. So far, Ive been able to survive almost any attack in the game. I'll be using this till June update comes
I play with 2 melee classes (Br/Ka and Fighter/TD) and a ranger class (Assault Rifle). Melee classes are sorted just need to +50 2 armours and a katana but I might have to sacrifice my ranger to a budget build. Just the weapon though units are fine since I'll rock the new ones.
There is one issue with the cinqium which is the ones with fixas are too much on the market so I came up with a beginning guide get one without a fixa for the time being then power that one and once you get one with a fixa to drop transfer its preset skills over to the one you worked on for a while
Reminder that the Fixa Transfer system requires 150 Photon Scales. With an already abyssmal Photon Scale cost for the Cinquem Item Potential, any more Photon Scale cost is really going to hurt. Secondly, it's natural to see a brand new series be expensive. We have only had the new series for 3 days. Ultra PSO2 day is soon (Feb 22) and that will drop a bunch of new fixa Cinquem. So just hold off and the prices will drop. What's the rush to go into Cinquem if you do not have the Scales to upgrade the Item Potential anyways? Remain patient, and the Cinquem prices will drop.
@@Thriftshoppin wait the fixa transfer system cost photon scales now, I thought it was just meseta. Well its a good thing that I have been grinding photon scales while using some of the material removal capsules to unlock potential. Also I won't be available for Ultra PSO2 day gonna be gone for a week for vacation
Awesome Video as always Thrift! So I want to invest in a full 3 piece Schwarzest set as my current unit setup is random and meh. For Melee Potency and PP what is the best build I should put on each piece?
If you want to focus pp solely: Daityl soul iii (2.5% Pot +5pp) Gigas Might iii (2.5%pot 15hp) Spi might (2%pot 6pp) Secreta iii (2%pot 2%floor pot) Last cap can be either addi spimel for more pp, dk3 for more pp, or dualble for more potency. For even more pp, consider chamging your food recipe to add in fruits for additional PP. Sometimes this is the best route to get another 10+pp
Sigh...now I'm back to the board. Should I keep trying to get a Relik Battle Barge for the fixed 10% PP reduction, or get a Cinq? I have my units already made with uniform affixes, so I would only get 6-7% reduction >:
It is a real toss up cause the guaranteed 10% PLUS the 20% offensive recovery is actually cracked. If you have the ability to get a fixa attack 1 battle verge that would make the choice a little easier. If you're opting for a clean battle verge... well the damage will be less but youll still have a better item potential. Food for thought~
@@Thriftshoppin I was planning on building a few cinquems, but that doesn't look practical now. Debating on buying some prebuilt 4 star gear for tech, or just going straight in building one with the new armor. And I already have melee from level 20, so I might wait on that a bit more.
I already have a Fixa Fatale 5 cinquem. It was 35m. Do you recommend going your special build to mesh with cinquiem. Or just take the 5% from 5 repeated augments and go full potential build?
IMO take the 5% reduction and be happy. If youre using dualbles as a 5th slot you can use both types for 1% more. If floor potency isnt important to your build all the new stat capsules (spi, sta, gua, deft) can be used for extra reduction as well
I have 3x vios armors which are somewhat heavily augmented for range pot, do you think I should upgrade to the schwarzgarde for the boosts or just wait till the June update and upgrade then?
you don't *have* to but you def could work on one Schwarzgarde armor if you have a desire to work on gear, but Vios is completely serviceable until June content.
good summery. I got lucky so far with the new units but cinquiem will just be a pipe dream because by the time I can fully upgrade one a new weapon serie will be added. xD
YUP. I don't think anyone expected the 600 Photon scale cost. My jaw dropped cause I literally just sold my Relik before the update so Cinquem was the next destination haha
I shall be keeping my cinclum boots, cause 1. Relik still too damn high, and these do the same thing (more or less) plus they look cool. And I snagged a color variant for dirt cheap. And I will be investing into the next augment scratch for those skips while doing eqs when I can, relik IS good. But over priced, shame I’m stuck at level 1 potential for a while T^T
I agree with everything you said! It really is a shame that Relik had such a low droprate. They are just unreal priced for no reason aside from how rare they are. Already outclassed by Level3 Item Potential Cinquem lol. Grats on the color variant! I am going to remain patient for a CV Cinquem Spear too!
Would Cinquem at +50 and lvl 1 limit break out damage Evolcoat at +50 lvl 4 limit break??? While I gain 35 ATK power with Cinquem I do lose out on 8% potency, and I have no idea which of those 2 stats hold more value.
Both are valuable together. Potency is a multiplier for your Attack power. So you want a healthy balance of both. For example, the 9 atk difference between Cinquem and Relik is enough to make Level 3 potential cinquem just as strong as level 4 potential Relik (5% potency difference)
The day calculation isnt 100% correct when the trigger quest give us photon scales as well. When the trigger quests doesn´t give photon scales then it is 100% correct.
When we get confirmed information on what we will recieve from the quest that is. I have heard zero information on what rewards will be given from the seasonal UQ
I play multiple classes but main Fighter and bouncer is second favorite. I was about to invest on Cinquem Knux/DS but on my first Falz UQ i got Relik Knuckles. I dont know if the Relik Knuckles are better than my greaga fixa attk 2 but i will use them anyways and with Cinquem i will go for some jetboots for my bouncer.
The damage is better than your Greaga Knuckles but its up to you whether you want to reinvest into a whole new weapon. Greaga is still great for all the content we have. If you are curious about the damage calculations between Greaga and Relik I have a video that goes over those data calculations
@@Thriftshoppin Thanks for the info! i saw that video when you released it but i turned off my brain at the moment and forgot about it because i just back from work, lol. Yeah even with a fivla attack 1 wand and another greaga talis/rod fixa attk 2 as a techer i can do everything just fine, but i want to prepare for the supposed hard content which is going to release in some months.
@@Thriftshoppin Not a problem, just saying. But i don't remember how many. If 8, then uq priority for time/value could be something like falz>mine>renus>others. What do you think?
What are your thoughts on the Vijf varients? I'm rather pertial to them mostly due to the abundance of strong fixas. On ship 3 you can get 9% PP cost reduction for the magnus units for just 1.5m.
If you're seeking out units stats that are not potency then yes! There are insane deals to find in the Vijf armors! The same happened in the Lv.20 meta with Cattleya/Vialto/Qual De armors. Everyone wanted Geant and you could nab Fixa 5's for so cheap
@@Thriftshoppin Yeah, really happy to switch into them, gotta wait on Resol Forest to get the ones I want for Bouncer though. Dual weapon bouncer has it rough with augments though.
Ok so did you even factor in the Reliks innate pot compared to the Cinq? Because without the PP reduction you're losing in DMG and to have Cinq PP reduction match the Reliks you'll need 10 diff name augs. When comparing you need to factor in everything. TBH they are both comparable in terms of dmg
Can you clarify "innate pot"? If you mean the effects of the potential, absolutely. Those are going to differ and are a case by case basis of what you find important. If you find the pp consumption more valuable from Relik than some extra damage on Cinquem, thats your decision. Additionally, not everyone can go tech based Relik. Cinquem offers *some* PP reduction without forcing a specific multiwep. As for damage calculations, what you see on the video are accurate with the augment build listed. In previous videos i've mentioned the importance of "battle effectivemess" and how it isn't easily quantifiable in calculations like these but always need to be considered.
@@Thriftshoppin Lets make this very simple, if we compare the Tech based weapon just the weapon itself with no augs. Would you say that the difference in ATK would outdamage a weapon who can pull of an extra skill? So example if your Cinq allow you to cast Zonde 4x at 300 dmg each and Relik 5x at 250 dmg, at the end Relik will do more damage. These number are fictive but does the difference in ATK that huge to affect the total output dmg? Since most damage comes from skills and not auto attacks. Or like a weapon who crits more often with a lower Pot % than a higher Pot % weapon
@@YuukiMochizuki your hypotheticals dont make it simple. I understand your logic, though. "If more pp consumption allows for an extra photon art rather than a normal attack, the damage observed is different" However for that to matter youre looking at upwards of 20+ attacks to see enough observed PP save to cast an additional skill. I get where youre coming from and i will resort back to my previous statement. Battle effectiveness is difficult to calculate but should be always considered in a build. And lets be real, the numbers we are talking about mean little when all current content can be cleared with 4* gear. But for a player looking to progress gear has two current top tier series to choose from: Cinquem or Relik
There’s no dual type boss potency souls so wouldn’t you be doing less damage anyways if you used geant armor for a different class? The pure potency augments that work for all damage types are bad so would the fact that the new armors have only 1 potency type really matter? I guess you always have the option to change it if you have good fixa on geant/greas. Although, if you have an addi on it that would be a waste to use it for another class that’s not that damage type. Maybe if you want to play a melee class but you main a tech or range class the new armor wouldn’t be a bad alt armor choice? Most(or all idk I haven’t looked) of the potency augs over 1.5 are just for a single damage type. So it just seemed like a weird thing to point out. I’m probably missing something tho. So like, realistically, Can you even augment for hybrid on geant without it being 💩 for Schwarz not having dual damage types to matter ?
Dark Falz drops a new boss soul called Eradi Soul I/II/III. At level III it gives 2.25% Potency. Thats why I pointed it out cause theres finally a boss soul that makes multitype builds actually feasible. And also cause a lot of discussion prior to the release of the weapons was about how a multitype build could take advantage of this Item Potential since you could do for example 2 items with Gigas Technique and 2 items with Gigas Precision, and split a lot of augments like that and get some extra benefit out of it. But you're right; multitype builds are always going to lag behind other builds but this weapon kinda-sorta is our first weapon that provides actual bonuses for going into weird, multitype augment builds. So now currently for a Mutlitype build you would have Eradi Soul III / Mastery / Domina / Dualble as your 4 staple capsules and then use the 5th for whatever you choose
@@Thriftshoppin ooooooh I knew I was missing something! Not playing the game for 2 weeks will do that. 😭 thank you! Now I can make my dagger mage wishes come true 💫
So example: You are using Daiyl Soul III, Gigas Might III, Alts Secreta III, Addi Deftmel, and Deft Might on your weapon. If you have all units using the same augments, thats 5 total unique augments. So 5% PP Consumption Reduction. Now, if on one of the Units you replaced Deft Might for Spi Might, that is a NEW unique augment. So 6% PP Consumption Reduction.
Correct. I call them the same "family". Since you can have as many capsules in the Basic category but only one of a family (Tech i/ii/iii/S, Deft/Spi/Sta/Gua Tech)
Still super good. No reason to change unless you really want to go for extra potency. Swapping your Vidalun for Schwarzest is a net loss of 45 HP and a 1.0% Damage resist/2%Potency/3PP net gain. IMO that is a good tradeoff. Granted it requires you to re-invest into a new unit which is going to be the reason most players dont pull the trigger for such small differences in a build.
@@Thriftshoppin luckly my vidalun is still plain Vidalun with +40 no augments, so is it good to change thay units to schwaz units? (this case maybe ranged one since im gu/fo)
currently using 1 Viosel on each character as the aliment resist is nice and 2 Vijf Arga for my bow braver/hunter (i swapped back from tetcher to hunter as i wanted a simpler build) and 2 Vijf Sheza boots bouncer/fighter the setup works pretty well for how i like to play.
Yeah if you're invested in previous armors it's not as simple as we all thought about the choice to move over. I'm still sticking to my geants. No way I am spending money on more augments haha
@@Thriftshoppin i was intrigued with the newarmors but running dual types kinda not worth as what i have is going to suit better, still need to finish augmenting everything, but i dont mind the grind sometime you just get into the zone an trme flies, think im still missing a Dread 3 an a Ret Domina on one and just a Mastery 3 on the other and then ill decide on what to add in 5th as everything gets upgraded, i kinda sold my yellow triggers cause i needed cash XD
Thats up to you. There is a point in a tank build where extra HP becomes useless so if you feel like you are too tanky, these are the best option to replace into since it will give you offensive fiepower without losing a lot of health
it doesn't matter where its augmented, if you have multiple of the same augment on your gear it counts as one "Unique Augment" and therefore affects the Cinquem Item Potential by only 1%. This is why achieving 10%+ PP reduction on the Item Potential is difficult and honestly not worth it.
I feel this! Its why i wanted to provide those "how many days" examples. Some players just cannot feasibly do all the uq's necessary to get scales so they should skip this series
If you have a Fixa attack 3 or higher Greaga, your damage is fine. I think something to consider is "what content demands anything better than my current equips?" The answer is: Nothing. All the content is achievable in 4* gear. But it's fun to upgrade into new things.
lets be real, most of ppl are at lvl0 pot at best lvl2 (very few) not to mention the 2nd effect unique augments? bruh that's kinda shit for real.. meanwhile, me: vijf variants for dual stats build.. trust me.. it's good and fixa availability is high..
In all honesty the Item Potential is a noob trap. Plenty of players are going to sacrifice many stats to get a couple more PP consumption reduction. However, for a multiweapon build you might be able to get to 12-ish % PP consumption reduction with the amount of capsules that would be available for your build. All in all, 5% PP consumption reduction isn't bad. Add some food and Fixa Performa units you can easily get to 15% or more PP consumption reduction.
So Sega lied and screwed everyone again. They said these weapons wouldn't be better than relik. Relik is basically useless if you're able to afford the n-unlock substitutes or grind 24/7.
They are technically not that much "better" if you compare clean to clean, fixa 1 to fixa 1, etc. But as we all know, the chances of Fixa Relik are basically next to nothing and we can expect way more Fixa Cinquem. So by that logic we are not comparing the weapon series' as they intended, rather what is actually going to be occurring which is Clean Relik vs. Cinquem Fixa 2/3.
Ok so I did some testing of my own and it seems to me this data sheet is incorrect. I have a relik fixa attack 3 the meta augments and potential lv 4 vs the cinquem fixa attack 5 same augments and lv 4 potential. I am literally only hitting 1 point harder on all of my magic spells with cinquem. But if I had a lv 4 or 5 attack relik it would hit harder. I love your deep dive videos but I would like you to look deeper as I am confused and you probably are to now. I guess 376 attack and 27 percent potency is better than 26 potency and 385 attack
Ok so I did some testing of my own and it seems to me this data sheet is incorrect. I tested on lv 15,39, and 44 monsters. I have a relik lv 3 fixa attack with the meta augments and potential lv 4 vs the cinquem lv 5 fixa attack the same augments and lv 4 potential. On average I am hitting about 2 points harder with the cinquem depending on what magic spells I use. But if I had a lv 4 or 5 fixa attack relik it would hit harder. I love your deep dive videos but I would like you to look deeper as I am confused and you probably are now to. I guess 376 attack and 27 percent potency beats out 385 attack and 26 percent potency. Once again I appreciate all of your great videos if we could figure this out it would be great for the community. So they can make a logical decision on which weapon they actually want to go for.
Absolutely. Which is kind of a feelsbad though. I really hope once level 60 is here we have clear gearing paths and content that will require time/money investment just to even be considered for the difficult stuff. As is, an entire 4* set and the weapon limit broke to +50 can get access to all content right now
Cinquim is not worth the time. I also dont believe the dammage calculation of the AoE Relic Potency. I have one and it does 600 dammage on every target around me. Also at the end it doesnt even matter what we believe, Cinguime are not woth, we get better weapons soon anyways and there is no content for it being worth the time to upgrade
The Relik AoE potency proc isnt factored into the damage calculation. Tough to calculate since its a 10 second CD and repends on if you hit weak spots or not. Super finnicky. And I agree, current content doesnt deserve much investment but a lot of players want something to work on and the Cinquem series is a good weapon. Much cheaper than Relik too.
To be fair the grind for 650 wouldn't have been bad at all if we had the traditional level 4 potential cost of N-EX cubes. But they sure did throw a curveball at us with the 600 Scale cost for Level 4
@@Thriftshoppin yeah I got 291 from playing every day but once I start working ain't no way I'll be able 2 enjoy the new weapons sadly but I'll try. It's just annoying having them make us grind like this. I don't mind grinding but realistically no way ill be able 2 do this 4 both my weapons. Still love the game, and great vid btw💜
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It would be nice if we could dismantle cinquem weapons for photo scales
SEGA LISTEN TO THIS MAN!!! I agree. 1250 Photon Scales is soo many. And to anyone who didnt buy any N Potential Substitutes, its just a real bad feeling knowing you have to grind UQ's daily for over a month. I really wish they had waited on the AC Support Scratch until now. It would keep the prices high but allow players who wanted to go into Cinquem the option of either grinding in game for meseta or spending AC to maybe get those items. Kinda scummy to release these 1 month before they're super relevant.
Sega should hire you asap homie
@@Thriftshoppin we’re getting UQ triggers next month so it won’t be too bad. (Unless triggers are expensive rare drops)
@@iorilamia I would almost bet my life on them being annoyingly rare drops
@@waynecarrjr.1187 you shouldn’t bet your life on anything tbh
I started playing NGS three days ago and invested in 3x Schwarzest Armor for my Sword Hunter build. Managed to snipe the 3 units for dirt cheap on my ship and augmented them with the 3 units +40 we obtain from clearing story quests. I'm now level 35 and plan to switch to Cinquem Sword at 36. I'm a f2p srub so i'll go really budget build with gear +40 and potency 1 (will see later if I want to invest the photon scales) My affix are: Gigas Might I, Might III, Daityl Soul II and Magnus Note. 7% melee dmg, 5hp and 5pp added to each piece of gear.
Incredible early game build! and in my opinion you really wont need to go any deeper into augments unless you want to perfect gear and see what your true potential is with a class. Super hyped you're in the new units! They are wonderful and will last you for a while.
I like that this does the math without making predictions, as this game is still "new" and patterns aren't set yet.
But I will make a prediction that I'm 100% sure will happen. Sometime in March they will have another seasonal event and allow you to get like 600 or more Photon Scales a week via Seasonal points turn ins. That and/ or they will bring back the AC scratch for support items to skip steps, maybe start adding them to reg AC scratches. They are giving us weapons that are hard to upgrade so that they can get people to play more when the means to upgrade them is plentiful.
Possible! I 100% Agree that there will be other means of getting scales. Limited time quests, maybe even weekly quests too. Item exchange, seasonal points shop as you mentioned. I hope that this was a one-off idea to change the level 4 item requirement as I would be concerned as to what the players will be doing with all their N-EX cubes now lol
Hopefully, it's the only way I'll realistically be able to unlock one to max because even with more higher rank combat zones and Falz i still don't see myself playing any more often than i usually do.
maybe somewhere in the future N-EX Cubes can be exchanged to that Potency Unlock Support items like to skip the levels or another mrans to skip
This is so helpful. Decided not to switch from Geant to the Schwarz- series. Especially having to spend 2 less Refiners on each unit's a relief since the current state of getting them's a pretty hefty task. Great video!
I am glad you found it informative! And yes, Geant only requiring 1 Arms refiner is actually unreal. Geant Meta until level 60 baybee~
I like that I can create a multiweapon from cinquem, it saves time and cost so much than farming reliks. My friend farms the fields and battledia everyday for weeks, not even a relik weapon dropped for him and their prices are atronomical in the personal shop.
Yup! Cinquem is going to be an upgrade option for many that missed out on Relik in Retem. Too darn hard to drop one! Sega pls
As a Force main, I'm not too worried about my HP since I don't get too close to enemies.
I need lots of PP, so I run geant/greas armor
Exactly. PP is king
@@Thriftshoppin Yes, pp and pp cost are so important!
imjere a gunner using your build of Vidalun And 2 greas
since i am S roll Spammer i think i have 90% survival rate on a boss(unless i messed up timing or do too much invest to bullet rave)
Exactly what I was telling someone a few hours ago the greas units are dest for ranged classes
Appreciate the video! This is really helpful for me as I am really troubled about HP vs. PP. This clear up some fog for me. Thanks a lot!
Absolutely! It really is a case-by-case basis when it comes to units and augments. Certain classes just feel better with certain HP and PP thresholds. Take for example me: I play Hunter, so I have 20% Damage reduction from my skill tree plus Iron Will which prevents incapacitation every 3 minutes. I feel really confident in going completely glass cannon. This isnt the case for another class without these defensive skills. So go test how much health you really feel you need for certain things. Example: Most players will go test how much damage they take from certain Gigantix attacks and then make it a goal to get at least that much HP, therefore they will survive certain attacks.
I will add this. Chances are when we do get the new seasonal UQ, photon scales wont be a problem.
I def expect 50-100 scales to be in the seasonal shop
Im currently running 2 Greas w/ fixa 2 guards and 1 Vidalun w/ fixa 3 guard. So far, Ive been able to survive almost any attack in the game. I'll be using this till June update comes
Lowkey still a GREAT unit build. I would recommend most ppl to go this build with 2 Greas since Vidalun covers pretty much all negate HP
Perfect video. Just what I need. Thanks for the detail, effort and explanation!
Absolutely! Thanks for the support friend~
Great video! Really detailed and you pretty much answered a lot for the questions I would have had!
Thanks for the support Leigh!
Keep up the great work. The other guys aren't even competing.
I appreciate it! Each video I am more motivated than ever to keep it moving~
I was previously using 2 greas and 1 vidalun, so swapping the vidalun with a new schwarz was thankfully a no-brainer for me.
Awesome! Its nice when upgrades just make sense. Plus its nice to have something to work towards.
rolling straga weaps +50 cinq weap to +40 and ofc geant armors
Omega Chad Mai has entered the chat~
I play with 2 melee classes (Br/Ka and Fighter/TD) and a ranger class (Assault Rifle). Melee classes are sorted just need to +50 2 armours and a katana but I might have to sacrifice my ranger to a budget build. Just the weapon though units are fine since I'll rock the new ones.
Honestly Greaga Rifle will do work. Plus there will be new even weapons early next month. Might be a rifle in there for your build~
@@Thriftshoppin Thanks for the advise. I'll keep an eye on the new weapons then 😁. The arms refiner grinding will be fun though for both classes. 😆.
There is one issue with the cinqium which is the ones with fixas are too much on the market so I came up with a beginning guide get one without a fixa for the time being then power that one and once you get one with a fixa to drop transfer its preset skills over to the one you worked on for a while
Reminder that the Fixa Transfer system requires 150 Photon Scales. With an already abyssmal Photon Scale cost for the Cinquem Item Potential, any more Photon Scale cost is really going to hurt.
Secondly, it's natural to see a brand new series be expensive. We have only had the new series for 3 days. Ultra PSO2 day is soon (Feb 22) and that will drop a bunch of new fixa Cinquem. So just hold off and the prices will drop. What's the rush to go into Cinquem if you do not have the Scales to upgrade the Item Potential anyways? Remain patient, and the Cinquem prices will drop.
@@Thriftshoppin wait the fixa transfer system cost photon scales now, I thought it was just meseta. Well its a good thing that I have been grinding photon scales while using some of the material removal capsules to unlock potential. Also I won't be available for Ultra PSO2 day gonna be gone for a week for vacation
Awesome Video as always Thrift! So I want to invest in a full 3 piece Schwarzest set as my current unit setup is random and meh. For Melee Potency and PP what is the best build I should put on each piece?
If you want to focus pp solely:
Daityl soul iii (2.5% Pot +5pp)
Gigas Might iii (2.5%pot 15hp)
Spi might (2%pot 6pp)
Secreta iii (2%pot 2%floor pot)
Last cap can be either addi spimel for more pp, dk3 for more pp, or dualble for more potency.
For even more pp, consider chamging your food recipe to add in fruits for additional PP. Sometimes this is the best route to get another 10+pp
Sigh...now I'm back to the board. Should I keep trying to get a Relik Battle Barge for the fixed 10% PP reduction, or get a Cinq? I have my units already made with uniform affixes, so I would only get 6-7% reduction >:
It is a real toss up cause the guaranteed 10% PLUS the 20% offensive recovery is actually cracked. If you have the ability to get a fixa attack 1 battle verge that would make the choice a little easier. If you're opting for a clean battle verge... well the damage will be less but youll still have a better item potential. Food for thought~
I only built a range set for the 35-40 update. Was waiting for this to build tech and melee sets.
Daaang! Three separate sets? What armor and weapons do you plan on for the others?
@@Thriftshoppin I was planning on building a few cinquems, but that doesn't look practical now. Debating on buying some prebuilt 4 star gear for tech, or just going straight in building one with the new armor. And I already have melee from level 20, so I might wait on that a bit more.
I already have a Fixa Fatale 5 cinquem. It was 35m. Do you recommend going your special build to mesh with cinquiem. Or just take the 5% from 5 repeated augments and go full potential build?
IMO take the 5% reduction and be happy. If youre using dualbles as a 5th slot you can use both types for 1% more. If floor potency isnt important to your build all the new stat capsules (spi, sta, gua, deft) can be used for extra reduction as well
I have 3x vios armors which are somewhat heavily augmented for range pot, do you think I should upgrade to the schwarzgarde for the boosts or just wait till the June update and upgrade then?
you don't *have* to but you def could work on one Schwarzgarde armor if you have a desire to work on gear, but Vios is completely serviceable until June content.
good summery. I got lucky so far with the new units but cinquiem will just be a pipe dream because by the time I can fully upgrade one a new weapon serie will be added. xD
YUP. I don't think anyone expected the 600 Photon scale cost. My jaw dropped cause I literally just sold my Relik before the update so Cinquem was the next destination haha
I love your videos the information you put in, and the effort you put into these videos, keep up the good work. 👍
Thank you! I super appreciate this! These videos are a blast to make and I am glad there is so much positive reception surrounding them. Much love~
I shall be keeping my cinclum boots, cause 1. Relik still too damn high, and these do the same thing (more or less) plus they look cool. And I snagged a color variant for dirt cheap. And I will be investing into the next augment scratch for those skips while doing eqs when I can, relik IS good. But over priced, shame I’m stuck at level 1 potential for a while T^T
I agree with everything you said! It really is a shame that Relik had such a low droprate. They are just unreal priced for no reason aside from how rare they are. Already outclassed by Level3 Item Potential Cinquem lol. Grats on the color variant! I am going to remain patient for a CV Cinquem Spear too!
Would Cinquem at +50 and lvl 1 limit break out damage Evolcoat at +50 lvl 4 limit break??? While I gain 35 ATK power with Cinquem I do lose out on 8% potency, and I have no idea which of those 2 stats hold more value.
Both are valuable together. Potency is a multiplier for your Attack power. So you want a healthy balance of both. For example, the 9 atk difference between Cinquem and Relik is enough to make Level 3 potential cinquem just as strong as level 4 potential Relik (5% potency difference)
@@Thriftshoppin So in that case going from 26 potency to 18 but gaining 35 extra ATK power would result in more overal damage???
The day calculation isnt 100% correct when the trigger quest give us photon scales as well. When the trigger quests doesn´t give photon scales then it is 100% correct.
When we get confirmed information on what we will recieve from the quest that is. I have heard zero information on what rewards will be given from the seasonal UQ
I play multiple classes but main Fighter and bouncer is second favorite. I was about to invest on Cinquem Knux/DS but on my first Falz UQ i got Relik Knuckles. I dont know if the Relik Knuckles are better than my greaga fixa attk 2 but i will use them anyways and with Cinquem i will go for some jetboots for my bouncer.
The damage is better than your Greaga Knuckles but its up to you whether you want to reinvest into a whole new weapon. Greaga is still great for all the content we have. If you are curious about the damage calculations between Greaga and Relik I have a video that goes over those data calculations
@@Thriftshoppin Thanks for the info! i saw that video when you released it but i turned off my brain at the moment and forgot about it because i just back from work, lol.
Yeah even with a fivla attack 1 wand and another greaga talis/rod fixa attk 2 as a techer i can do everything just fine, but i want to prepare for the supposed hard content which is going to release in some months.
You can drop scale on retem uq too if I am not mistaken.
I was notified of this after I uploaded! I feel like such a dummy! You are in fact correct. Retem UQ's also provide scales.
@@Thriftshoppin Not a problem, just saying.
But i don't remember how many. If 8, then uq priority for time/value could be something like falz>mine>renus>others.
What do you think?
What are your thoughts on the Vijf varients? I'm rather pertial to them mostly due to the abundance of strong fixas. On ship 3 you can get 9% PP cost reduction for the magnus units for just 1.5m.
If you're seeking out units stats that are not potency then yes! There are insane deals to find in the Vijf armors! The same happened in the Lv.20 meta with Cattleya/Vialto/Qual De armors. Everyone wanted Geant and you could nab Fixa 5's for so cheap
@@Thriftshoppin Yeah, really happy to switch into them, gotta wait on Resol Forest to get the ones I want for Bouncer though. Dual weapon bouncer has it rough with augments though.
Ok so did you even factor in the Reliks innate pot compared to the Cinq? Because without the PP reduction you're losing in DMG and to have Cinq PP reduction match the Reliks you'll need 10 diff name augs. When comparing you need to factor in everything. TBH they are both comparable in terms of dmg
Can you clarify "innate pot"?
If you mean the effects of the potential, absolutely. Those are going to differ and are a case by case basis of what you find important.
If you find the pp consumption more valuable from Relik than some extra damage on Cinquem, thats your decision.
Additionally, not everyone can go tech based Relik. Cinquem offers *some* PP reduction without forcing a specific multiwep.
As for damage calculations, what you see on the video are accurate with the augment build listed.
In previous videos i've mentioned the importance of "battle effectivemess" and how it isn't easily quantifiable in calculations like these but always need to be considered.
@@Thriftshoppin Lets make this very simple, if we compare the Tech based weapon just the weapon itself with no augs. Would you say that the difference in ATK would outdamage a weapon who can pull of an extra skill? So example if your Cinq allow you to cast Zonde 4x at 300 dmg each and Relik 5x at 250 dmg, at the end Relik will do more damage. These number are fictive but does the difference in ATK that huge to affect the total output dmg? Since most damage comes from skills and not auto attacks. Or like a weapon who crits more often with a lower Pot % than a higher Pot % weapon
@@YuukiMochizuki your hypotheticals dont make it simple. I understand your logic, though.
"If more pp consumption allows for an extra photon art rather than a normal attack, the damage observed is different"
However for that to matter youre looking at upwards of 20+ attacks to see enough observed PP save to cast an additional skill.
I get where youre coming from and i will resort back to my previous statement. Battle effectiveness is difficult to calculate but should be always considered in a build.
And lets be real, the numbers we are talking about mean little when all current content can be cleared with 4* gear. But for a player looking to progress gear has two current top tier series to choose from: Cinquem or Relik
thanks Karen-senpai
At my pace by the time I finish collecting the scales the next 2 regions will probably be out. :,)
I feel this! I have about 1-2 weeks to go before I have enough scales for level 3 Potential and it feels like it will take ages for level 4
There’s no dual type boss potency souls so wouldn’t you be doing less damage anyways if you used geant armor for a different class? The pure potency augments that work for all damage types are bad so would the fact that the new armors have only 1 potency type really matter? I guess you always have the option to change it if you have good fixa on geant/greas. Although, if you have an addi on it that would be a waste to use it for another class that’s not that damage type. Maybe if you want to play a melee class but you main a tech or range class the new armor wouldn’t be a bad alt armor choice? Most(or all idk I haven’t looked) of the potency augs over 1.5 are just for a single damage type. So it just seemed like a weird thing to point out. I’m probably missing something tho.
So like, realistically, Can you even augment for hybrid on geant without it being 💩 for Schwarz not having dual damage types to matter ?
Dark Falz drops a new boss soul called Eradi Soul I/II/III. At level III it gives 2.25% Potency. Thats why I pointed it out cause theres finally a boss soul that makes multitype builds actually feasible. And also cause a lot of discussion prior to the release of the weapons was about how a multitype build could take advantage of this Item Potential since you could do for example 2 items with Gigas Technique and 2 items with Gigas Precision, and split a lot of augments like that and get some extra benefit out of it.
But you're right; multitype builds are always going to lag behind other builds but this weapon kinda-sorta is our first weapon that provides actual bonuses for going into weird, multitype augment builds.
So now currently for a Mutlitype build you would have Eradi Soul III / Mastery / Domina / Dualble as your 4 staple capsules and then use the 5th for whatever you choose
@@Thriftshoppin ooooooh I knew I was missing something! Not playing the game for 2 weeks will do that. 😭 thank you! Now I can make my dagger mage wishes come true 💫
So if u have the same 5 augs in your armor the potential to the weapon doesn’t work ? Right ?
So example: You are using Daiyl Soul III, Gigas Might III, Alts Secreta III, Addi Deftmel, and Deft Might on your weapon.
If you have all units using the same augments, thats 5 total unique augments. So 5% PP Consumption Reduction.
Now, if on one of the Units you replaced Deft Might for Spi Might, that is a NEW unique augment. So 6% PP Consumption Reduction.
@@Thriftshoppin oh okay ty 💯 #thatistheway
It seems like Technique III and Technique III S are treated as the same augment :(.
Correct. I call them the same "family". Since you can have as many capsules in the Basic category but only one of a family (Tech i/ii/iii/S, Deft/Spi/Sta/Gua Tech)
what about Greas Greas Vidalun Build?
Still super good. No reason to change unless you really want to go for extra potency. Swapping your Vidalun for Schwarzest is a net loss of 45 HP and a 1.0% Damage resist/2%Potency/3PP net gain. IMO that is a good tradeoff. Granted it requires you to re-invest into a new unit which is going to be the reason most players dont pull the trigger for such small differences in a build.
@@Thriftshoppin luckly my vidalun is still plain Vidalun with +40 no augments, so is it good to change thay units to schwaz units? (this case maybe ranged one since im gu/fo)
currently using 1 Viosel on each character as the aliment resist is nice and 2 Vijf Arga for my bow braver/hunter (i swapped back from tetcher to hunter as i wanted a simpler build) and 2 Vijf Sheza boots bouncer/fighter the setup works pretty well for how i like to play.
Yeah if you're invested in previous armors it's not as simple as we all thought about the choice to move over. I'm still sticking to my geants. No way I am spending money on more augments haha
@@Thriftshoppin i was intrigued with the newarmors but running dual types kinda not worth as what i have is going to suit better, still need to finish augmenting everything, but i dont mind the grind sometime you just get into the zone an trme flies, think im still missing a Dread 3 an a Ret Domina on one and just a Mastery 3 on the other and then ill decide on what to add in 5th as everything gets upgraded, i kinda sold my yellow triggers cause i needed cash XD
Strange I could have sworn I was subscribed to you months ago
No stress! Thanks for supporting the channel all those months ago and continuing! Much love~
@@Thriftshoppin no doubt mane! Keep it rollin
wait a lil bit more, I'm pretty sure they gonna give away photon scales from event shop. hopefully~
Absolutely! I would also assume limited time quests to offer some as well in the future
Why on earth was there a Wind Sword user in a boss fight with a light weakness
Dunno! Maybe that's what they invested in? Sad thing is it matters little since the DF fight is so free!
Should I switch to the new armors as a tank build as I'm using the +70 and +40 hp armors
Thats up to you. There is a point in a tank build where extra HP becomes useless so if you feel like you are too tanky, these are the best option to replace into since it will give you offensive fiepower without losing a lot of health
If anything I'm just gonna use the new Might III's, can't remember the name ATM but the ones with the PP and damage. Either way thx for the breakdown
Spi Might! Yup, super good. And you're welcome! Thanks for the support~
is the ability on all weapon and armor should all be different? has anyone confirm it yet to get 15%?
it doesn't matter where its augmented, if you have multiple of the same augment on your gear it counts as one "Unique Augment" and therefore affects the Cinquem Item Potential by only 1%. This is why achieving 10%+ PP reduction on the Item Potential is difficult and honestly not worth it.
@@Thriftshoppin thank you for the explanation , but that's too bad then ...
dmn at my pace itll take me 1 or 2 years to complete a cinquem weapon potential
I feel this! Its why i wanted to provide those "how many days" examples. Some players just cannot feasibly do all the uq's necessary to get scales so they should skip this series
will i lose so much damage if i use greaga weapon?
If you have a Fixa attack 3 or higher Greaga, your damage is fine. I think something to consider is "what content demands anything better than my current equips?"
The answer is: Nothing. All the content is achievable in 4* gear. But it's fun to upgrade into new things.
I just buy a pot 3 cinquem weapon to skip half of my grinding process instead of grinding for a month and fear a new weapon series will come out then
if it works it works! Yeah i am definitely curious as to what they will release for level 45 content.
lets be real, most of ppl are at lvl0 pot at best lvl2 (very few)
not to mention the 2nd effect unique augments?
bruh that's kinda shit for real..
meanwhile, me: vijf variants for dual stats build.. trust me.. it's good and fixa availability is high..
In all honesty the Item Potential is a noob trap. Plenty of players are going to sacrifice many stats to get a couple more PP consumption reduction. However, for a multiweapon build you might be able to get to 12-ish % PP consumption reduction with the amount of capsules that would be available for your build. All in all, 5% PP consumption reduction isn't bad. Add some food and Fixa Performa units you can easily get to 15% or more PP consumption reduction.
Dang it. Those P2W potential bypass are op.
They definitely help! Those will most likely be back on April 27th's AC Support Scratch
So Sega lied and screwed everyone again. They said these weapons wouldn't be better than relik. Relik is basically useless if you're able to afford the n-unlock substitutes or grind 24/7.
They are technically not that much "better" if you compare clean to clean, fixa 1 to fixa 1, etc. But as we all know, the chances of Fixa Relik are basically next to nothing and we can expect way more Fixa Cinquem. So by that logic we are not comparing the weapon series' as they intended, rather what is actually going to be occurring which is Clean Relik vs. Cinquem Fixa 2/3.
Ok so I did some testing of my own and it seems to me this data sheet is incorrect. I have a relik fixa attack 3 the meta augments and potential lv 4 vs the cinquem fixa attack 5 same augments and lv 4 potential. I am literally only hitting 1 point harder on all of my magic spells with cinquem. But if I had a lv 4 or 5 attack relik it would hit harder. I love your deep dive videos but I would like you to look deeper as I am confused and you probably are to now. I guess 376 attack and 27 percent potency is better than 26 potency and 385 attack
Ok so I did some testing of my own and it seems to me this data sheet is incorrect. I tested on lv 15,39, and 44 monsters. I have a relik lv 3 fixa attack with the meta augments and potential lv 4 vs the cinquem lv 5 fixa attack the same augments and lv 4 potential. On average I am hitting about 2 points harder with the cinquem depending on what magic spells I use. But if I had a lv 4 or 5 fixa attack relik it would hit harder. I love your deep dive videos but I would like you to look deeper as I am confused and you probably are now to. I guess 376 attack and 27 percent potency beats out 385 attack and 26 percent potency. Once again I appreciate all of your great videos if we could figure this out it would be great for the community. So they can make a logical decision on which weapon they actually want to go for.
All the photon scales that need for this shit doesn't worth the time. Either a relic or wait for 6* series, I have gretigga is enough.
Absolutely. Which is kind of a feelsbad though. I really hope once level 60 is here we have clear gearing paths and content that will require time/money investment just to even be considered for the difficult stuff. As is, an entire 4* set and the weapon limit broke to +50 can get access to all content right now
Cinquim is not worth the time. I also dont believe the dammage calculation of the AoE Relic Potency. I have one and it does 600 dammage on every target around me.
Also at the end it doesnt even matter what we believe, Cinguime are not woth, we get better weapons soon anyways and there is no content for it being worth the time to upgrade
The Relik AoE potency proc isnt factored into the damage calculation. Tough to calculate since its a 10 second CD and repends on if you hit weak spots or not. Super finnicky.
And I agree, current content doesnt deserve much investment but a lot of players want something to work on and the Cinquem series is a good weapon. Much cheaper than Relik too.
Time to Rich for me, i have lvl 1 unlock pot 50 ea, lvl 2 65, lvl 3 48, the time has come.
Let me know what island you're buying!
@@Thriftshoppin keep money for ac future, augment, costume.
They need 2 chill with the scales from this ridiculous tbh
To be fair the grind for 650 wouldn't have been bad at all if we had the traditional level 4 potential cost of N-EX cubes. But they sure did throw a curveball at us with the 600 Scale cost for Level 4
@@Thriftshoppin yeah I got 291 from playing every day but once I start working ain't no way I'll be able 2 enjoy the new weapons sadly but I'll try. It's just annoying having them make us grind like this. I don't mind grinding but realistically no way ill be able 2 do this 4 both my weapons. Still love the game, and great vid btw💜
no you
Who has that much time to play the game?
People who like the game
@@GoldenThunderbolt liking the game and not having a job or a life away from keyboard are 2 different things.
@@basedcase Yet you are still here looking at the useful information just be thankful for the work and dedication they put out.
@@edgar7671 I am talking about the photon scale grind, not the research.
I feel you! What most people are doing is palying other games and just waiting on discord for someone to @ them when the UQ is live.
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