I make the 641's, the 851's, 2616, and 1812 at woodpeckers and they are priced like that for a reason. They're made in USA, and they get inspected a bunch of times and with a whole laser program that checks everything in the quality control area. They're also made on a newer haas cnc machine with extreme accuracy.
For the people complaining about using a pencil to check squareness, try the same technique just use a marking knife. With that said, how many thousandths of an inch of accuracy do we need with most woodworking projects? Starrett are 0.0001 to 0.00001 depending on model as stated below. I think we're getting into machine work not laying wood projects. My opinion of course.
Adjusting to eyeballing the middle of two thick pencil lines has nothing to do with accuracy. Starrett squares are precise to .0001" per 6", or .00001" per 6" for their certified engineer's square. Eyeballing the middle of two 1/32" or thicker pencil lines is not even in the same ballpark of precision. Even old time wooden squares were kept more precise (with hand planes that can shave at a thousandth of an inch accuracy). Is it good enough for a machine wood shop? Certainly. But it has no place where high precision is needed.
I always laughed when guys talk about the flip method of checking a square for precision. And " a couple of seconds " to adjust the blade for precision i have to laugh rolling around on the ground.
To be fair, it is good enough for a typical machine tool wood workshop. For that use, I'd think this marking square is going to be excellent. Just not for a machining shop or fine woodworking. Different tools for different jobs.
At least once in the video, it is referred to as a combination square. It isn't. A combination square will have a sliding head and a 45 degree mitre head face. This square also isn't for trying, because it lacks a flat inner edge. This is a *marking square*. I'd also disagree that this would be useful for cabinet makers and fine woodworking, because it is made to work with the low accuracy of pencils, not striking knives and awls. It's certainly made for being used at a machine shop, where it can be a great time saver. But it can't take the job of a combination square and marking gauge for fine woodworking, where you don't deal much with numbered measurements, but exact copies.
I think he was comparing it to a combo square saying this would save you time over a combo square and even says adjustments are fast as moving your pencil
I make the 641's, the 851's, 2616, and 1812 at woodpeckers and they are priced like that for a reason. They're made in USA, and they get inspected a bunch of times and with a whole laser program that checks everything in the quality control area. They're also made on a newer haas cnc machine with extreme accuracy.
The sound is much better!
Great review!
That looks awesome you guys love the tools you guys review learn about alot of new stuff thank!
For the people complaining about using a pencil to check squareness, try the same technique just use a marking knife. With that said, how many thousandths of an inch of accuracy do we need with most woodworking projects? Starrett are 0.0001 to 0.00001 depending on model as stated below. I think we're getting into machine work not laying wood projects. My opinion of course.
Awesome square. I'll have to shop for one. #workshopaddict
ordering link?? thanks
Sorry. www.woodpeck.com/1281ss.html
Can you spare a square?
john M I don't have a square to spare
Thanks for the information. I'll take Starrett measuring tools any day. Woodpeckers looks way over priced..............
Starrett tools are more expensive than WP these days haha
adjustable square and spot on should not go together in the same sentence.
Sorry, have to disagree. A good quality adjustable square is always spot on if you take a couple of seconds when adjusting the blade.
Adjusting to eyeballing the middle of two thick pencil lines has nothing to do with accuracy.
Starrett squares are precise to .0001" per 6", or .00001" per 6" for their certified engineer's square. Eyeballing the middle of two 1/32" or thicker pencil lines is not even in the same ballpark of precision. Even old time wooden squares were kept more precise (with hand planes that can shave at a thousandth of an inch accuracy).
Is it good enough for a machine wood shop? Certainly. But it has no place where high precision is needed.
I always laughed when guys talk about the flip method of checking a square for precision. And " a couple of seconds " to adjust the blade for precision i have to laugh rolling around on the ground.
To be fair, it is good enough for a typical machine tool wood workshop. For that use, I'd think this marking square is going to be excellent. Just not for a machining shop or fine woodworking. Different tools for different jobs.
At least once in the video, it is referred to as a combination square. It isn't. A combination square will have a sliding head and a 45 degree mitre head face. This square also isn't for trying, because it lacks a flat inner edge. This is a *marking square*.
I'd also disagree that this would be useful for cabinet makers and fine woodworking, because it is made to work with the low accuracy of pencils, not striking knives and awls. It's certainly made for being used at a machine shop, where it can be a great time saver. But it can't take the job of a combination square and marking gauge for fine woodworking, where you don't deal much with numbered measurements, but exact copies.
I think he was comparing it to a combo square saying this would save you time over a combo square and even says adjustments are fast as moving your pencil