Sinn U50 Review - Better than the U1?
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- This is a new for 2020 model called the U50. It is 3mm smaller than the flagship diver from Sinn, the U1. Is it a better purchase? Does it feel too small? Is the bezel action and lume improved? Is full tegimenting worth the premium? I touch on all these points in this presentation. Thank you to Dail for making this video happen!
What would you pick? The new U50? Or the Oris Lake Baikal?
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Great review. At 11.5mm thickness this U-50 makes a really strong case for itself. There aren’t many divers around with that skinniness.
I love Oris' especially TT1's & TT3's. However that U50 side by side with your Oris Aquis...I would choose the Sinn.
Wish Sinn would upgrade their clasp
Pretty much the only review of this one that is serious in any way. Thanks Bruce.
I love my Sinn 556, it’s probably the favorite I own. Bought it second hand in excellent, almost new, condition under $800 and at that price it definitely feels like an amazing value. As a Sinn fanboy it pains me to say that if they keep rising their prices they will price themselves out. I’ve been very intrigued y the U50 since its announcement, but not paying $3,000 (assume with taxes) for it. Watch should be $2,000 IMO. I’ll have to wait.
I completely agree.
I agree. Sinn are not the good value they once were. I currently have an 856S which I've owned for 2 years. I owned a U2 for 11 years (sold in 2017). Sadly, I sold a EZM8 SDR which was good value when new. The Sinn Model T2 was also good value here in Europe before it was discontinued.
I love that Sinn managed to transport the same ethos from the U1 into the U50, opening Sinn dive watch ownership up to a much wider audience.
I have had my U1 for 7 years now, and still absolutely love it.
I have never had any issues with the clasps, both on the metal bracelet or on the rubber strap.
But a glidelock-type clasp would definitely be a nice addition.
I see that some people object to the price increase, but bear in mind that this is a tool watch with proven credentials which is only now arriving at a price point where it should have been all along.
This is a watch to wear for the next 50 years, not a trendy fashion accessory.
Great to hear that! I'm more convinced in buying one rite now! I have been looking at some longines and oris watches too but they seem to be more on the trendy fashion side as u mentioned. I think the U50 would fit me perfectly since I am oftern outdoors in the woods and I want to use the watch everyday and not need to leave it at home. Would you recommend the U1 over the U50 ? :)
@@HiltonFen
I would try them both. I love chunky watches, so the U1 is my tool watch of choice!
But you need a slightly larger shirt cuff on you watch arm. 😊
Seriously, few can tell then difference visually.
It is down to which one feels better sitting on your wrist.
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@@tangosierra911 Thanks! How does the weight feels like? Is it on the heavier side?
@@HiltonFen
The U1 is on the heavier side, it feels like a gold watch in terms of weight.
I love heavy watches, I would never get a carbon watch, for instance.
It is a welcome heft on the silicone strap, and a serious heft on the metal bracelet.
I switch between the two regularly. The metal bracelet is one of the most comfortable bracelets on the market.
I bought the tegimented version, but I do not see a difference between the normal submarine steel and the tegimented steel.
I bought the grey and black bezels and the black, red and metal bracelets.
Clever doing the comparison with other well known watches. I was curious what the actual dial size was, and this sheds light on that.
FINALLY. I was hoping you would review the U50 after you mentioned you would pick one up :)
I love the design, but I agree, Sinn's bracelets and clasps definitely feel like they're a bit lazy for a company that's so all in on engineering.
Get it without the bracelet, and put it on a rubber strap, it's fantastic!
Are you kidding? Their bracelets are the most comfortable bracelets I’ve ever worn and I actually work for a living in all those of climates and locations. Their clasp isn’t flashy but it works.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood the clasp on a 100 Euro Seiko also works . On 2k it has to be better
@@berserkkw I agreed. The clasp on the rubber strap looks much better made.
sounds a little nick picking. Try to scratch the bracelet with the Z-Hunter.
That date window is amazing.
Should be a benchmark for all other watches.
9:00
The U 50 is just like an adorable French Bulldog!
My 104 and 206 Arktis II says hello! Sinn is an awesome brand! :)
Hi Bruce, worth mentioning the movement is actually the upgraded SW300-1 not the SW200-1 mentioned at 8:57.
He also mentioned it later that its the same mvt as the oris. But the oris is the 200. Honestly, which a closed caseback though, what the heck is the difference. You can't see it at the back and the beat rate is the same! I'd love a 300 in my oris with see through back.
Bruce also said the Oris Sixty-five did not have a sapphire crystal...
@@bryce6290 not a sapphire caseback he said? Or the front crystal.
Surely he knows its main crystal is sapphire
@@anthonyonline4740 go watch it dude
@@bryce6290 in guessing he did a review of a 65, that's what you're referring to?
Ha I knew you couldn't leave the bezel off center :)
Me either. Great review as always.
Sinn, definitely ticks all the boxes for me, !! It's all a matter of personal taste,, but I'm not a fan of the Oris,,
Great video btw....
I wanted a real tool watch. I looked at both the U1 & U50 (and many other brands) Just this week I purchased a used (2 years) all papers, box, warranty card, etc... U1, full tegemented, black for $1,700.00. I have a 7 3/4 write so the size isn't an issue. But, it is a heavy thing, even on the silicone strap. So take that into consideration when choosing. I went with the U1 because I do need a very robust and rugged watch for my work. And frankly, the U1 just has something to it. It's like.... industrial sexy. It's the real thing. The U1 is like the old Humvee truck & the U50 is the GM's lightweight version the Hummer. Either is tough enough to handle anything you throw at them. I think which you pick it comes down to why you're wearing it. Finally: a nice used U1 at a reasonable price is getting to be a tough find. I spent months. Definitely a bit of a cult piece now. But I am very very happy!
Thanks Bruce for this review! I was eager to see it from you. This watch is at the top of my list but with the all-black DLC coating.. It is certainly one of, if not the toughest dive watch available on the market and Sinn quality is outstanding. Yes, the pricing is coming up but I think the value is still there with all of the amazing tech they've worked into time piece. As far as the choice between Oris vs Sinn.. there's no question I would take the Sinn 10 out of 10 times. Get one!!
The bezel is tegamented in all versions: surely enough considering the metal is tougher than usual.
As mentioned someone before. The Caliber is SW300 (2892 clone). In this model is the caliber the key, why the watch so thinn is. If sw200 is used it has a normally thickness as you can find on other 500 divers.
And nice review, great job. Iam enjoying your vids
Regards V.
Been thinking about picking one up. Great video Bruce.
It’s bezel is quite broad and smaller dial in my experience this tends to make the watch wear a little smaller than its size .. fine review Bruce I think they are a little expensive for what you get ..
Awesome review of an awesome watch, great stuff Bruce 👍🏻
I would love the watch if it had a different hand set. It looks like it was put together with legos. But excellent engineering. I would also keep the u50 & sell the Oris. Wht about Damasko vs Sinn video ?
Great review Bruce. I have my U 50 T for 1 month. And I own a Sinn 856 b uhr teg bracelet for 3 an 1/2 years. Watch bracelet are durable as ever. Sinn watches are tools to wear without compromise. Clasp could be better yes but a thick clasp would not blend on the wrist wearing the watch. Sinn watches and there technology are not to be down played lov them plus captive bezels. Sinn watches and the brand are for people who keep them and not flippers. Bruce the U50 T would be your daily tool sport diver without worry. All the best to you an family. Stay healthy and safe.
Hey Dave, I have recently purchased the u50 fully tegimented version on bracelet and since you own one, how's is the weight for everyday use? For context, I daily a Seiko diver (spb213) but on a parachute style strap (Erika originals)? Can't wait to have it delivered next week
@@AteebTallaat Congrats on the U50T. My wrist is 6 .25. Daily is fine for me you know the watch is always there I like that weight sensation. Good luck with the watch. Stay safe and healthy.
The same watch with the black bezel is the standout for me, it really pops.
The U50 over the Oris, no hesitation. It's more original, more rugged, and will bring a real difference to your collection... witch by the way is just a dream collection .
I think it wears a bit small for your wrist. I wear the U1 on my 6.5" wrist, its a bit big but it matches the toolist ruggedness look. My gripe with U50 is the bezel width being the same as U1 hence the crystal and dial is small and a bit out of proportion IMO. If they made it in 42, it would be perfect!
Another fantastic watch review! Thanks Bruce! 🙂👍🏻
Thank you Bruce! I am seriously considering getting one.
as always, excellent video Bruce.
This looks great.
Watching this wearing a Sinn 104 black dial today. Great Video and awesome watches.
Great package. Tough hardy watch but still has a sense of style. Nice Bruce! Keep 'em coming....
My man!!!! Waiting a long time for a proper review on the u50. And of course you were first! Awesome watch.
Yes. Get the u50. The clasp is old school but it is lighter. I’m hoping to get the all pvd version u50 one day.
I have the U1 SE, I honestly regret it and can't believe how much I spent it on it. Sinn is officially overpriced as far as I'm concerned. They are now charging a premium for their brand, but the value doesn't feel there anymore for me, particularly this model. Not excited about how much I'll lose reselling it either, ha! I spent 3k, and that's so close to Tudor territory. I think Damasko gives you much more, and feels to me to be of higher quality.
Yes and no at the same time. Some elements of Sinn watches are completely outdated (i.e. the clasp, most movements), while others are still a competitive advantage, that no other brand offers (i.e. AR dehumidifier, Diapal escapement). Just about every Tudor watch has more expensive alternatives out there, which are superior on almost every level. You can rarely say the same about Sinn watches.
Yeah, why spend $3k on a U-1 when you can (theoretically) get a Helm Vanuatu for $300.
@@stefanlazaralexandru Very true, but the U1 has precisely ZERO of those cool features you describe hahaha. That's my point. There watches that sell for around 1k are still good value. The models with all those features you describes are still good value. But not the U1 and probably quite a few others I can't think of right now.
I never thought about it but when you compare it to a Damasko you might have a point and when you compare it to an Archimede you absolutely definitely have a point. You can get a "tegimented" (hardened) Archimede for less than a grand with a similar movement and made in Germany.
Yes Sinn is expensive and the value really isn't totally there as much as it used to be. Seiko raised their prices and is not the value proposition they used to be either. The 5KX is higher priced and less features than the old SKX. Doxa does the same thing and sells a ETA based diver for almost 3k. At least with Sinn your still getting a really nice well finished accurate watch. Mine all have been accurate. Their customer service is wonderful too. Sinn is also a small company compared to others so production costs are probably high. Yeah you can buy other watches for the same price with a better movement like a Tudor. As far as movements i mean whats more tool watch than a ETA/Sellita. Reliable, accurate, easy to service. The technology that they use is not used in many other brands either. Damasko does make a nice watch. I bought a DC80 and i had to pay almost 700 extra dollars to get it on the bracelet. So the bracelet was almost 1/3 the cost of a 3k watch. I don't see value there either. Sinn and Damasko use the same technology because im pretty sure Mark at Long Island Watch mentioned that Damasko does the tegimenting of the cases and bracelets for Sinn. Sinn offers it at a lower price than Damasko. Yeah it sucks you cant get a Sinn for 1k anymore but i mean any of the similar brands did the same thing. Oris big crown pro-pilot used to sell new for 800 now they are around 1300-1400 and a Sinn 104 blows that watch away comparing apples to apples.
Informative review, thanks Bruce. U50 would be good add for you to take on those mountain bikes and camping trips. This could be a runner for me, though might gravitate more to a 857 UTC or similar instead. Clasp quality still a concern. 👍⌚🇩🇪
I will go to the basic model. No metal bracelet, no tegimented.
The submarine steel is hard enough for everithing.
The movement is Sellita 300 in premium grade.
One of the BEST under 2500...
Finally a decent review of the Sinn U50! Nice review Bruce.
I've just got into diving and for the past few months I've been trying to decide whether to buy the U50 or the 2020 Doxa Sub 300 COSC. Pretty much the same price but two very different looking watches.
I love the ruggedness of the U50 but I also love the history of Doxa. I have a small wrist size at 6.5" so sizing isnt really an issue.
I just wish it was easy to go into an AD and try these on but it looks like I will have to just order online for home delivery :(
Great idea on the size comparisons part that I haven't really seen in other watch videos. It was really helpful for me in considering how wearable this watch would be for me as a prospective buyer.
Superb detailed review. Thank you.
So it is better spec-wise? I dont feel like its too much good value for money nowadays. But I would consider it.
My U50 came in today, it was ordered it back in June and wearing it now, bought it on bracelet non tegimented. We have the same sized wrist. Size and bracelet fit is prefect. I have enough larger watches, and this isn't small. After watching a youtube video, resizing was easy after I did the first. Actually like their allen wrench pins, removed one link from each side. I could have had watchbuys do. I paid like $2300 pre taxes. They are more expensive now, got the cheaper price before the hike.
Hi do you have discount from watchbuys or not sir ? I asked them about the discount but they did not that's why i passed the sinnu50
Excellent review, thanks! Since I have big wrists it is U1 or U2 for me.
Anxiously awaiting delivery of this watch. I'm a huge fountain pen nut and love the Bauhaus design language in pens like lamy 2000. I had to pull the trigger once an example popped up on the grey market. Hoping this will replace my Spb213 as my daily
Update: received the watch. Initial impressions; love the clicking bezel action. This thing is def heavy. Gotta get used to that
Love the U50...thinking about it...perfect for my 6.5 inch wrist!
I don't know what it is about this model. There's something about it that speaks to me.
U50 with GMT would be ultimate travel watch.
I’d talked myself into the murdered out black version of this piece but now you’ve got me second guessing 🤔 for the money there’s much better value out there...
I’ve been pining for a U50 in the blue, like the U1 b. I love this one but reckon the blue would be absolutely perfect with the fully Tegimented treatment. 👌
Bruce, a correction - It's an SW-300 not 200, hence why it's so thin. I have one on order from Watchbuys, going to be a long 5+ months.
I was going to make the same comment. Also I’m waiting on the same watch but it’s been 3 months already. I have about 1 more to go :)
Great review Bruce !
I wanted it but you talked me out of it. I think the U1 is a better design and I will stick with mine.
I want this watch, but with the black bezel.
Red is an odd colour choice for a dive watch which is 500m WP.
Red is the first colour to be absorbed as one descends into depth, rendering it invisible.
I have small 6.25” wrist and I prefer U1. This design to me meant to and looks better BIG. and it is big. But put U50 on my wrist although it’s more comfortable, but I feel I like the look of my U1 more. I was planning to buy U50 and sell U1. I ended up keeping my U1.
Normally hate dates at 3,but this a spot on...like you say, beautifully proportioned. Love it, nice watch.
Much prefer it to the Aquis
Cheers 👍🏻
Hi Bruce,
You have a dress, diver, and chrono. Seems like you should add a pilot and a field watch to the collection. IWC for the pilot and maybe a Reise or hamilton for the field. Just a thought. But with that being said, I would add the U50 too, because it is an awesome looking watch, especially with the red rubber strap.
New to watches, but right now the U50 is my grail.
Sinn's value proposition is beginning to dwindle and now you're getting close to Tudor and Omega territory... and it seems the only thing driving that is the name.
That’s pretty much what all watch companies aspire for. It’s all in the name/marketing. Good for them I guess.
Tell that to rolex. They been ripping buyers off since day one.
@@zerox615 Nope.
Thanks for the thorough review.
I preordered my U50 (all black, tegimented, on black bracelet) in May, expected delivery is December. Thanks for the review, looking forward to mine even more now.
I say drop the aquis, it’s redundant.
I hope you’re enjoying it- how’s it settling in?
@@fabers92 I ended up selling it! I didn’t like the heft/size for my 7” wrist. I no longer have a “collection”. Just my Explorer 124270 and my g shock! Thanks for asking. Did you get one?
@@triniboy05 Ah, well that is pretty much all one could ever want for a collection. Nice. No, not yet. I’m weighing up between the u50 and an ezm3f. Perhaps a 556 and another choice for a diver. I’m going in blind as I won’t be able to try them on, but I do like a watch with some heft!
@@fabers92 oh a big issue for me with the U50 was the bracelet too. I couldn’t quite dial in a great fit due to only 3 micro adjustment holes. I was disappointed that I immediately had to put it on a strap.
@@triniboy05 It’s just about the only negative I’ve heard over the Sinn family at their respective market places. Sorry to hear. Tbh I prefer to wear leather or a fabric but I always like to get the original bracelet too if available. Fingers crossed
It would make more sense for the first 15 minutes on the bezel to be in a red and the balance of the time to be in black.
Oh man! I want one!
I'm sad the Oris is on it's last days here. I personally do want to add the "perfect" German watch to my collection, and since Glasshütte is out of my price range, i''ll go with one Sinn or another at one point. Or damasko. I do think the small flaws you highlighted on this one would rule it out at that price point, but you'll decide. Great video as always
thanks bruce. glad to hear the bracelet has some taper.
SINN is A+ (but yeah, the clasp is fine but wish....) The Silicon Straps are ace, love the Butterfly clasp and the big clasp for each U1 and U50
Nice presentation. I like the watch.
U50 over the Aquis everyday of the week!
Incredible review
I would keep the Oris and buy the U50! The U50 is on my short list.
At almost the 3k mark , I would get a breitling colt 41 before one of these . Better fit , finish , movement , etc imo. That being said I just purchased a Damasko DA46 on black leather strap for 1400USd. I like the sinn but Id feel way more comfortable spending around 1800 for it on the bracelet .
Nice choice, I have one as well.
the clasp does seem a bit underwhelming. However, I'm starting to appreciate the more simpler/minimalist clasps as I find they're more comfortable that the "over engineered" ones. I own a sub and love the glidelock - a bit bulky though. I also own the SKX and honestly, the minimal clasp is SO comfortable. Definitely some tradeoffs.
Watching this while wearing my Sinn U50T!
Nice job on this review Bruce. Perhaps it’s just my eyes, but after stopping the video multiple times and looking intently at the hour and minute hands, it appears to me that the red and white colorway of the hands look as if they are painted on the hour and minute hands and not in a straight line. It almost looks jagged where the red and white intersect on the hands. (See minutes: 3:51, 4:59 and 10:18). Do you notice this as well, or is it a function of poor eyesight on my part?...Thanks...Ed
Yes you are right, for a better price and a better watch i prefer the DAMASKO Dsub1
The Movement is a Sellita SW300-1 not a 200, most likely this is what makes it more expensive than the U1
Whats the difference ?
@@ak99515ak Higher tier movement thiner than the SW200
The U50 is a really rugged dive, tool watch, kind of akin to the Tudor Pelagos. It looks tough, fit for purpose. I would choose it over the Oris. Better still, if I had your three watch collection I'd hang tough on another watch full stop. Let's be honest, each of those is killer!
I’m going to sell some of my divers and other watches to fund a U50T myself.
I am an Oris fan and would never replace it. (If I could only afford one.)
I want the U1 w/the thinner case... maybe call it the U1.5 and use the SW300 vs the SW200 movement. I'm afraid my 8" wrist would just make the U50 look too small. I wear my 40mm Rolex Sub almost daily and it's near the perfect size. Just want something more 'beatable' but yet still 'wearable' ... 14.5mm thick for the U1 may be too chunky for my liking.
That is a sick collection.
Bruce I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist I’m getting the less is more qoute. Should I go with the U50 or U1 seen both your videos great job as always 🙌🏻. Any thoughts I would appreciate
SW300-1 I believe
Correct I mispoke when I touched on the movement. Thanks for catching that
Great tool watch and in my opinion a mark up on the U1, which was on my hit list. The price point is definitely a concern however. For similar price you can get a Tudor 58 or PO1 for similar money but with much better finishing with a superior movement. Pity, because I think it would stop me from a purchase.
A better comparison is the non tegimented version which $2500. Non of Tudors watches have the hardness of these. But with comparable steel the Tudor is more than 1k more, which makes up for the finishing differences
@@PrimedProductions that's very interesting, thank you. I guess the quality of the finishing is very much a cosmetic concern, when you consider that these are in essence a tool watch and so at 1k cheaper, there is no contest. Thank you for your comment
wearing my helm vanuatu while watching the video, i really like the sinn u50 but my helm scratches that itch at a much lower cost
U50 is the hands down winner!
Keep the Oris, add the Sinn to your collection. IMO they serve different purposes. The Sinn is more understated, can be a rather expensive beater, plus any wear that it gains will be less obvious.
I’m doing similar things with my collection. My collection skews more dressy. My current 3-watch core is a Rose gold Moser Endeavor small seconds, a Moser Streamliner, and a Panerai Submersible 959. I’m on the fence with the 959 and am considering selling it and going to something a little more vintage inspired like the Panerai Radiomir 512 or 574, then adding something like this Sinn U50 for a tool watch.
Moser is pure class. Amazing brand. One of the best.👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 panerai 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 sell the Panerai and buy a u50 and a Omega SMP 300 the grey and blue dial with rubber strap. Then you are my idol!
@@vegardvang519 Omega has never interested me. I appreciate their movements but no much else. I’m selling the 959 but bought a beautiful and svelt Panerai Radiomir 574 yesterday while in Philly.
Sinn Made the bezel that loose on purpose. Wenn you do a deepdive with this watch, the bezel will tighten up, because of the pressure.
This Sinn looks really interesting. I like it
Lol..a whole 2 mins 33 seconds before the Hulk made an appearance!
Challenge accepted
@@BruceWilliams haha, just put it in your intro...discontinued baby.
Tc
I like this U50 watch ⌚ Just not where you wind it. I like it at 3:00 not at 4:00
I received one of the first few batches of the fully tegimented but movement was dead on arrival. WatchBuys was really easy to deal with, offering an exchange (although who knows how long that would have taken) or refund. While I know it was likely an anomaly it have be a bad feeling in my gut so I went with the refund. Fun looking and fitting watch though.
Beautiful watch that u50
good vid as usual, that Sinn clasp is so miserable, considersing the cost and perfection of the rest of the watch, btw whch of your three is the beater, lol ??
Absolutely let go of the Aquis for the Sinn. The Sinn would be perfect in the collection.
I want to love the U50, but for me it seems disproportionately weird. Rather than shrink everything down, then have used the same hands and the bezel is the same thickness as the U1. If the bezel had shrunk proportionately as well as the hands, I think it would have had better balance.
For these reasons, the U1 is still my preference.
I have not watched your video, but I can still answer your question: no, it's not better than the U1. Just different. Whether it's more suited to a specific person than the U1 will depend on their wrist size and preferences about watch size. It has 500m less WR if I'm not mistaken. No, it's not better.
I wait for your review of beautiful quartz watches because I am overdosed of automatic handwind and mechanical watches
Pretty sweet watch. What are the anti-magnetic properties?
Bruce, keep your Oris Lake Baikal AND get the Sinn U50! Why not have BOTH? They are apples and oranges, so you're not duplicating, but instead supplementing your collection. Your wife will understand! Ha. Also, the Tegimented Sinn can truly be your 'Beater' tool watch since it will not show scratches, whereas the Oris is dressier and is a scratch-magnet.