The Princes in the Tower | Nathen Amin joins us to poke the Ricardian bear!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- The mystery of the Princes in the Tower has enthralled and intrigued people for over 500 years.
With evidence being presented by Philippa Langley which she claims exonerates Richard III, once and for all, for murdering his nephews - let's discuss!
Don’t know about anyone else but I love the topics and I fucking love the swearing
I must immediately read all of Nathen Amin’s books. I feel terribly ignorant because I had never heard of him. Many new rabbit holes to go down!!!wonderful!!!
They are very good. Nathen has a very balanced and common sense approach to his work which is sadly lacking in a lot of historians these days. (I may just be saying that because most of his work confirms what I already thought and you tend to appreciate the work of people who agree with you 😂 but seriously I really like his work and can't wait for the new book.)
For equally balanced and well researched biographies of Richard III, read Matthew Lewis and Annette Carson.
@@Moose.-vy5yeagreed and they are fun to watch when they debate. Good friends of course
This was THE BEST INTRO EVER!!!!!
Great discussion guys😊
I loved it all, from the first 15 seconds when Nathan had already F-bombed. Excellent. Just so good! Thank you!
Loved this.....❤❤❤❤❤
Heard Nathen comment on King John and was waiting for Philippa to say her line…….and she did! Still my favorite thing from Deceased Gits.
Nathen is amazing and really meets Dr Kat's Neutral Chaos Energy, and I'm here for all of it. 🎶 You can tell they got N C Energy. 🎶
Brilliant broadcast and oh joy not only Kat but the other 3 squares, I just discovered over the weekend and it’s hard to stop the podcasts 😊😊
I love Nathen. He cracks me up! Thank you girls!❤😊
Fightin' dinosaurs! 🦕 🦖 Loved this episode and can't wait for Nathen's book! Thanks so much everyone!
Can you guys do a video and Margaret of anjou
I'm not a huge supporter of Henry Tudor, but I'm rather fond of his granddaddy Owen. Henry VII clearly wasn't the greatest guy, since his son turned out to be such a piece of work, but it doesn't seem like he was the worst guy, either. I don't think we'll ever figure out definitively what happened to the young princes Edward & Richard, but the more complicated theories seem extremely unlikely -- some of them seem more like wishful thinking. Richard III probably wasn't the caricature villain that Shakespeare paints him as, though that does make for fun drama, but that doesn't mean he would've been a nice guy, either. Most of the nobles & royals who were successful at the time were not good or nice people; they couldn't afford to be if they were to survive! Look at what happened to Henry VI for being pliant & neurospicy...
I love that the chat is shipping Henry VII & RIchard III. Classic enemies-turned-lovers arc!
The discussion of Y Mab Darogan made me suddenly understand why Henry VII named his eldest son Arthur! Never made the connection before. Thanks!
Thank you, ladies and Nathen! This was great! ❤
That was fab. Thanks ladies and Nathen! A great team with their heads screwed on plus a little sass 😊
This was brilliant! Go on ladies. I love Nathen. 🏴⭐️
Great Discussion, Thank You!✨
Incredible insight from Nathen as ALWAYS
Hi.Ladies another enjoyable program Keep it up as I look forward to Wednesday night And Happy Christmas to you all
It was morally acceptable for Elizabeth to let her brother get killed, as that was what was required for her children to get on in life. She was just being pragmatic.
Also: it was morally reprehensible for Richard to allow the children of his brother to be killed . He should not have been pragmatic. In times where you have told us that siblings were not generally close or well known to one another.
One thing we can always rely on from Tudors: double standards.
This kind of sucks. Im here because my mom told me to check it out (no worries, I'm much older than Timmy) and she was right. This was awesome. Now I've got to tell her so 😂
It’s worth it, I promise!
I have to get Nathan's books, thank you!🎉
Thanks!
Thank you so much! ❤
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Good lord, Dr. Kat! I had no idea that you talked that fast! 😂😂🤣🤣
I tried reading Philippa Langley's pro-Richard book and there was something about the tone that didn't sit right with me. I appreciated her trying to approach the issue as a detective would, so far so good, but I got the feeling I was getting a cherry picked version of events (as far as I got, about 1/3 in, she never really addressed the elephant in the room: they disappeared on Richard's watch, what did he do about it? He was in charge, assuming he was innocent, where was the investigation he should have ordered? What were its findings if he ever ordered one? If he didn't why not?) and that I was sold something, instead of an impartial investigation. It had a manic intensity I often see in conspiracy theories. And thing is: they might be right, but how they're saying it is unsettling.
I get the sense that current day people in England are projecting their current day frustrations on this Richard vs Henry conflict, as a sort of English North vs South (I know there are political and economic complaints Northern English people have against the South) and Richard was from the North. Maybe some see him as "their King" in a way, like they can relate, thinking he was maligned just as they were across time. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting as an outsider (I'm not British).
Im a Tudor Historian here in California, USA and I equate the cultish vibe of Ricardians to Trump supporters here 😂 Not equating it in a specific political sense but I mean the feverish worship and wanting to see something and working it back from there… not all of them, that’s a blanket statement! But, you know what I mean! 😂🤷🏻♀️👑🗡️
Also the “voice of dissent” has me 😂😂 Nathen rocks!
@Hitchcock, If that's your analysis of Ricardians, then you're uninformed. Clueless, is more accurate.
He is the voice of orthodoxy, tradition and conformity. In maligning Richard Nathan is just continuing the mainstream story.
Ricardians are the ones who are the voices of dissent.
Nathen rocks!