Isabella of France is next in the Deceased Gits series on History After Dark
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Not that this has anything to do with anything but I'm sitting in my kitchen enjoying a late snack and listening to the playback while a city construction crew is jackhammering the street directly outside my apartment building at half past midnight. It must be an emergency of some kind and that's life but oh the never ending joy of living in Manhattan. Lol
Just started watching this channel on TH-cam and absolutely love your discussions. Dr. Kat. You’re not alone with your watch battery troubles. When I was wearing them in the 80’s they gained around 10 minutes an hour. Very annoying. Also can’t have a laptop sitting on my lap as there’s escalating itching that happens wherever it’s touching.
Good Elevenses, Ladies! Dis that claimer & jingle those Jingles, Dr. Kat. I do like making HAD a *tea* drinking game, sometimes with real tea & sometimes with herbal, no alcohol involved. But it does make me have to run to the loo...
As I read that I thought - she must be busting for a wee by half way through HAD! lol
The fiction novel Cashelmara by Susan Howatch was said to be patterned after the life of Edward II. I always liked that book but until today, knew nothing of Edward II. Thank you for the enlightenment of a person across the pond (that would be me).
The story about Isabella watching Hugh Despenser execution comes from Maurice Druon book that has some film adaptations. La Louve de France is said to be good, but it sometimes chooses drama over historical accuracy.
Thank you Helga! Brilliant.
As an actual HR person, I WEPT at the headhunter comment.😂😂😂
I'm definitely not looking to score Isabella highly on the gittish front given the considerable psychological trauma and abuse that she suffered due to her husband's paramours and his general weaknesses. Towards the end, yes, not the most commendable of behaviour particularly after Edward and Philippa were married but I have more sympathy for her overall. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on Margaret of Anjou as I really don't know what to make of her....!
Margaret was much more likable I love her
35:15 It may have also been in the Plantagenet series...but it was also definitely in She Wolves. I watched that again recently - excellent series! - and it was in there.
The best tea I ever had was “jasmine pearls” at High Tea at the Moana Surfrider in Honolulu.
The relationship between Edward and Isabella was not one of abuse, hatred and murder. It was, for fifteen years, a loving, stable and supportive union. The royal couple were frequently in one another's company and were parents to four children. Contemporaries commented on their love for one another.
A well-rigged frigate: Ok, let me guess. A statuesque or large middle aged/elderly woman who is well dressed and decked out in jewels?
OOooooh I was close!
I’ve always loved to hate Isabella since reading Antonia Fraser’s History of England. According to her, Edward II’s screams could be heard for miles as the red-hot poker was inserted.
You're not alone, Catherine. I don't drink tea either. Have you seen the anarchy in the uk tea meme?
Edward and her were actually close to the 1320s. Katheryn Warner dismmises many myths
I don't recall the exact source but I remember running across a 1400s obituary/will that disclosed to the decedent's family that he had been the local executioner for 45 yrs. He had been legally bound not to disclose his identity to anyone as a point of job security until his death. Upon finding out what his job had been his wife refused to receive any of his pension and yelled at the lawyer that he could burn down the very nice home they had had for all she cared because he(husband) had beheaded her brother for treason when they first got married during the War of the Rose's. His wealth reverted to the crown until his grandson requested his military and services records for the crown as part of a special request to erect a memorial.
As to relationships when in this job field it seems to have been nearly spy like, meaning that u could go to parties and social gatherings without being ostracized for it. Shaking ur fanny during an execution would have been considered dishonorable conduct on the job, no matter how funny ur train of thought are. I hope this helps someone!
I think there's something the ladies miss here in debating age, regency, and later kings. I think the REASON they start deeming rulers ok to take the Crown younger and younger is BECAUSE these regencies are just as inherently problematic! I also would take slight issue with the claim she wasn't "heartbroken." She had MANY children with Edward II, and they were on the drag together for quite some time, with her then helping arrange that period of truce. I would expect them to have developed a certain amount of closeness in that time, which seems to fit with what we know. It's not the romantic love we want to romanticize in our minds. (That is how she ended up in Braveheart, with the look on Catherine's face priceless at hearing that atrocity!) Yet lying with him to get the babies she was cranking out and figuring out how to work with/around him, it would be natural for her to find some things positive in him even with Gaveston there. It really is when Despenser arrives that he goes beyond the pale and they lose what she had built. I don't consider her even for the gitishness you do about the murder, because she did the regicide quietly (not chopping off the head like Anne Boleyn or Charles I) and was looking at the Crown becoming even WEAKER and perhaps NOT THERE for her son to fight to hold if her husband was allowed to continue! The only gitishness is afterward, when she really gets in too deep with Mortimer (take that as you will, Kat)!!!
The evidence credibly suggests that Isabella loved her husband and longed to return to him, but could not do so on account of the malicious Despensers, who enjoyed the king's influence and protection.
I like this more informal approach. Question: who was worse king of England. ed2 or Harry6. A total arschloch or the dude who allowed Wars of the Roses.
They've stopped.
Katheryn Warner had debunked myths about poor Edward II
Spoke too soon
The annointed king was dangerous to himself and his realm. Obviously she wasn't alone in thinking this heavenly announted pos was a mistake of heavenly proportions!
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She also threw her sisters in law under the bus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_Nesle_affair?wprov=sfti1