AMD will probably use their "strategy": 1. launch at high prices comparable to NVIDIA 2. people go with NVIDIA in mass 3. AMD drops the prices but nobody cares 4. AMD loses market share
@@GreyDeathVaccine I don't get it to me it's obvious play to sell this disaster at few percent margin to get market share and better software support from devs. Use funds from all the X3D sales to fund development of UDNA5 and you could have chip that can at least somewhat compete with NVIDIA. These late stage capitalist just can't think longer term than one financial year.
@@xYarbx It doesn't help shareholders like to hear "fiscal year" now which means quarterly. If you are investing your money into a company and you can't trust them to last 3 months without having to check in, you don't seem to believe in the company all that much in my eyes. Which at that point, why are you investing in the company??
The name gives some hope that wont happen as AMD has always priced their 70 series under $500, you think it would be the 9080 if they wanted to charge $549-600 for it. Then again this is AMD....
This doesn’t make much sense, GRE performance for $450-650?? When the GRE has had price drops to sub $500. These “leaks” are either baseless or AMD is screwed
Although I don't disagree with your statement, my take it on it is the 9070xt will be the same or slightly better than the GRE but with much better FSR and Raytracing. It really does come down to the price point honestly.
Even if they do compete on both performance and features they need to compete on price. Not just compete but be disruptive. If performance features and price are all similar people will go with the well known brand that’s how market share works. It took Zen2 and then Zen3 to offer both performance and value to shake the market from Intel.
Neither AMD or nVidia are looking(or in position) to actually push "consumer" GPUs. AMD makes more money with Any CPUs made instead of GPUs, and both of them are pushing the "matrix" of computation, which is where both are focused- high end, high ceiling industry and big data solutions. AMD is priced to match the last gen, and same is with nVidia. Neither will undercut the other, depending on the niche of each other´s products. You could have a 560 dollar 4090, if the "world" was aligned. If we were without wars, and the exploitation of natural resources was as it was 10 yrs ago, you could have 300 some dollar 4090s, but that is just not where things are, or how AMD an nVidia are pushed, and Can price things at, considering fabrication caps of TSMC. A 4090 doesn´t cost 600 dollars, and with scaled economies even 450, if you "could" sell them at 5, or 8 times the available stock, but that is not how you price limited articles. once you max out your "playground" 4090 systems, you jump onto big time big data, big power industrialized, big money backed solutions, that make many times the margins, despite costing a lot more per transistor.
@xXxDark88DragonxXx my 6800xt does most 1440p at 120fps with ease...the gaming tv cant draw anymore, no need to upgrade. FSR can take care of newer AAA games for a while still. Find one used if you still can, no regrets.
If Intel releases the G31 it'll see them straight to second best performing graphics card manufacturer in 2 generations. In the same time AMD will have literally gone backwards from the 6950XT.
@@Teh_Monk I grabbed a 7900GRE at US launch. 'Was @ 1080P and was ecstatic with the GRE, then got a 1440p screen and now I'm looking for something at least as 'beefy' as a 7900XTX. I don't do FSR/XeSS; same reason I don't play at non-native resolutions.
@@alnagy1700I have the same and love it. Was going to get a new amd card this coming up gen but this news makes me think I might go back to team green.
The 7900 GRE performs on par with a 6950XT but launched at half the price. If the 9070XT also performs on par with the 6950XT and the 7900 GRE, AMD can’t release it at that same $500-600 price point. It needs to be $399 max in order to qualify as any kind of generational leap in value.
Here's the rub, though... nVidia's gotten away with subtracting performance tiers and charging more, generationally. Whether AMD *actually* can get away with it or not, they're going to do it.
@rotm4447 yup, and their marketshare is lower than ever, thanks to that. Which is an achievement cause the 40 series had dogshit performance improvements for everything except the 4090 and maybe the 4070 Super.
AMD has had so many opportunities to be the “hero” of you market only to screw themselves and everyone else with their Nvidia style pricing. I’m hoping for $500 but expecting $600+
Early leaks : ItS 4080 sUpEr In RaStEr AnD 4070TI super iN rT!!!!!!11 Leaks now: Its barely a 7900 GRE I dont even know anymore. Make this card 450$ / € and it will sell. If its 499$ and added Tax fro GER of 19% (599€) its DOA
This is going to need to be £400 max, to not be DOA against the shortly arriving 5060ti & whatever new exclusive software features the Nvidia 50 series brings.
Have to wait and see even with these specs the 9070XT is going to be closer to a 5070 then a 5060ti in performance with more ram based on the rumours. As for features that is also a wait and see. While DLSS 3.0 is great frame gen is more a bust or niche use at best.
@@Jeremy-WC bs, those so called gimmicks from nvidia are fantastic, just went to a 4070 super and aint leaving team green ever again unless the other is at least equal and cheaper.
Is this really profitable to produce? The 7900GRE is available for under 600€ for over a year now, paying more than 500€ for a 9070xt would be too much.
The 7900 gre and this new architecture basically use the same node while the old one uses multiple chiplets and the expensive gluing tech to hold them together while being much larger. This new dye is drastically smaller and monolithic, and is much cheaper to produce which is why the g r e has already been end of lifed and support discontinued
@@famousfighter2310 Which, previously being AMD's best price/performance card all but absolutely confirms the ~7900GRE raster performance of Navi48, and gives us an expected price range. ($500+)
@jessietomich8043 Upscaling exists to ruin visual quality to make up for the lack of raster. RT is noisy crapy fake HDR. That is why 8 year old games look and play better.
400 dollars would smash the market share. It wouldnt quite hurt the console because it wpuld just be the GPU, but it would entice all PC owners to upgrade their old cards.
@@masterlee1988 yeah my old 1070 ti want to sleep and dont want to work anymore. So in germany this card cost more than 550€ in custom .... than i wait little bit more to see price drops on other cards like 4070 ti super.
If AMD ever sold a really strong GPU "at cost" or perhaps even below cost, they could _FINALLY_ put a real dent in the market share. The CPU's are selling themselves, in huge amounts. Let the CPU branch give the GPU branch a much needed marketshare boost. How many people buy Nvidia just because that's what they've always done? Make it too tempting to pass up trying team red. And force game devs to cater more closely to their cards through marketshare.
You telling me amds new cards aren't going to be any more powerful than last gen? What's the point? Fuck sake. You watch Nvidia cards just getting more expensive and more expensive without any competition
@@Eonymia they said they want to gain market share instead this generation. How are they going to do that with this gpu lol it needs to be priced at 300-400 to even have a chance.
better ray tracing and fsr probably and fucking stupid naming change. but the specs are disappointing indeed i thought performance will be in the area of 7900xt and not 7800xt if this cost like rumor says nvidia will continue to rule mid market too amd are ***ING bunch of dummies if this leak is correct
If we get 7900 GRE performance for 650, it would be very bad since the GRE is around the same as a 6950xt. Both those cards were already below 650 on sale. This "9070xt" needs to be closer to 500 and if AMD wants to go after marketshare, it needs to be 450 max.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was going to get the 9070XT but those performance numbers (especially the raytracing numbers) are not that impressive so the price has to reflect that.
i bought two 7900gre pure for 520€ incl. vat at Release from a reputable electronics retailer, which admittedly was a nice Deal, but thats how it launched. so gre Performance for 600€ would be a joke of the worst Kind.
I paid only $600 new for 6950xt 3 years ago. It's lovely to get my money's worth, I don't see "upgrading" worthwhile before 2030 with lithography projections, and who knows how beyond that
Well done AMD, you have shat the bed, this card needs to be $449 MAX if its basically a 7900 GRE and only 14% faster than a 7800XT. I only care about FSR4 now, I was hoping this GPU would at least be a 7900XT in raster and offer better RT, but that seems to be out the window unless the card tested has been limited to 2.8Ghz, early talk was these cards hitting 3.2Ghz, which would put it closer to a 7900XT in over TF so likely within 5% of the 7900XT. We did see the exact same leaks before both the 6000 series and 7000 series. 6000 it was underestimated as AMD held back the final BIOS until the last second to make it look like the GPU wasn't anywhere near good enough so Nvidia would price the 3090 way to high, with the 7000 series we got "guesstimated" performance figures announced as facts and we all remember how that turned out. So who knows, either AMD are holding back performance of test cards for now, but if not. $449 AMD or this product is DOA.
DLSS, XESS and FSR should die already. It's the wrong way of using AI for graphics, if you ask me, and should just be a final resort to run higher FPS, not the standard so that no game can run well native while looking worse than 2015 games.
@@riel0563 1000% agreed, UE5 and DLSS honestly have ruined gaming, no shade on Nvidia, if out of the box every game could run at 1080p60 ultra on a 4060ti 16GB and then you use DLSS to get to 90 or 120fps, I honestly think that is a fair trade, but we are seeing games that now need DLSS etc to hit even 1080p30! It's madness.
@@ryshask I am 🤣 I get all hyped up, then get let down, then hyped again, before watching AMD get on stage and set shit on fire, I just want to go back to the glory days of Zen 3 and the GTX 10 series. Great products at a fair price, but that ship as long sailed
If AMD is really aiming to gain market share, their highest end Navi 48 GPU needs to at least match Navi 31 in raster performance and AD103 in RT performance for $400-$500. Any performance below that and a price above $500, then AMD has gone delusional.
this dissapoints me so much.... ive been buying amd cards since 2007 (sapphire radeon 3870hd), and its always the same... i think its time to change to the other side
You need to be a bit more optimistic, The 6950xt what's neck and neck with the 3090ti while being drastically cheaper and using less energy And even when it won on all metrics, except RT, People still didn't buy it, except me, of course so a m d rightfully learned that it makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to design and manufacture something no one will buy
This would explain exactly why AMD EoL'd the 7900GRE; it would've destroyed the value prospect for RDNA4. Esp. for most of us considering AMD GPUs, RT is a low(er) priority.
@@ilbro7874fr. It's very sad to, in 2024 (2025 very soon), think ray tracing is a joke and don't add anything to games. Some games are perfectly disgusting with the rt use, but cyberpunk show us what path tracing can really looks like, in a giant fucking open world. Imo, the only reason I could see for why someone wouldn't take rt into account when comparing gpu, is if you only play fast paced game where graphics are low priority. Shitload of VRAM is useless if you play your game in medium in 1080p 😅
the 7900GRE needed to go but not for this reason at all. AMD simply doesn't want to be producing two similar GPU's that compete with each other and don't forget....they want to capture some of the market from Nvidia so the RT is VERY important here.
Is anyone actually trying to use ray tracing on mid range GPUs? I mean you lose 50% fps and you already don't have a lot of them on 1440p to begin with
I'm currently sitting on a Ryzen 7 7700X and a RX 6800XT. These were the best parts I could get at the time of building. Looking at what's on offer for this gen I'm really underwhelmed. I think I'll just skip it completely as I can't afford swapping out for the parts that would actually be a meaningful upgrade (i.e. >20% fps). Nvidia have nothing that even looks remotely good value, Intel can't give anything that I'd consider an upgrade (which looks like a paper launch) and AMD have seemingly decided to follow the gravy train into AI after monopolising the server market at the expense of the consumer. It all feels a bit "meh".
I wouldn’t trust the Timespy scores too much, because the 7900gre is about 7 % faster than the 4070 super alternative. This is all just synthetic, in the “real world “ they're equally fast. 4:12
Here we go just what i expected like half a year ago, and ppl still thought it's gonna be 7900 XTX performance... Just look at the specs... 4080 super killer... Yea right.
yeah it would have needed to clock in at 3.5Ghz just to match the RX7900XT's theoretical FP32 performance at 2.4Ghz for RX 7900XTX reference card like perf it would need to clock past 4 Ghz, and im not seeing gpus reach 4 Ghz Boost clock before UDNA2 if ever.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Well he's going to buy nvidia because it will be superior product? Should he buy inferior product? To perk up multi billion dollar company?
Yep, pretty much. Jensen will be laughing all the way to the bank. With pricing this bad, Nivida will just go: 5090: $2999 5080: $1699 5070Ti: $1199 5070: $799 5060Ti: $599 5060 8gb: $399 *fixed typo, was meant to say 5080
if the base 5070 is faster , which it most likely will be in every metric except for the fact that is only 12gb of vram , amd is going to suffer with that pricing. 400 dollars should be the target but even 500 is acceptable for the level of performance you would receive. It looks like the used market is going to be gang busters in a few months.
Im in a 6950 oc formula. In black Friday, the 7900xtx was around 720-750 in some models. I stopped myself from buying it because the next gen is around the corner, and this is not what I was specting. Let's see what's nvidia is holding and the prices
Those TS scores seem sus af considering the 6000 series beats the NV 3000 and the AMD 7000 in many actual gameplay scenarios . Then again , TS has always been baked towards "new" hardware .
9070 XT, AMD is changing the naming so it doesn't clashes with their CPU naming. If you checked their CPU naming (i.e. 9800X3D, 7800X3D), this is to avoid confusing the consumer.
@@ksenchyDepends on how they price it. It might be replacing a door stopper. Otherwise it's a 7700XT replacement with 7900GRE performance as it seems right now. If it keeps the 7700XT price, it might be competitive.
@ to be fair we did “know” They wouldnt compete in high end. However not even getting past the previous 7900xt(x) with a new architecture and lower node is a shame.
The 7900 gre has been as low as $480 in the last few months. If AMD is really trying to gain a bunch of market share I don’t see a $500 msrp doing much
@@sijiajayi2968ok.. then AMD will give it $599 to ensure reviews aren't great and then drop to $499 in a few months. Us gamers just can't comprehend the 7d chess being played with AMD marketing.
I was really hoping the top model to be in competition with 4080 fingers crossed these are some un-optimized driver benchmarks cause if this is the final performance they really need to be at 450$ dollar range since you can already get about the same performance from 4070 super at 600$ with better features and if they really want to be aggressive with pricing closer to 350$ but I feel it's unrealistic with how much the silicone is going to cost. These numbers if true make me much more interested at trying to get 7900XTX from clearance sale or 4080/4090 2nd hand.
Give me an equal to 7900 xtx raster for half the price and I'll put my 3090 on ebay tomorrow. Prices are going to make this a huge win or huge loss. Not at least matching the 7900 xtx is a huge mistake.
@@Peepbus what 7900XTX is 800$ and those figures place the performance under 7900XT that is available for around 600$. If you are talking about performance being a mistake not really it is what it is it's not like they can turn a nob and give you more performance the design was locked in 2 years ago.
The 9070 is a small chiplet GPU meant for use on APU's and DATACENTER cards like the MI300. They are suppose to be very efficient, and able to connect to a GPU management chip which can distribute the GPU load between several chiplets. Think Crossfire / SLI between multiple GPU chiplets. It should be interesting to see if this, or next generation will be able to utilize multiple GPUs.
I’ve got a feeling they going to price this at around €600 as that is what the 7000 GRE variants were going for before AMD discontinued production recently.
I don't understand why they're skipping the RX 8000 series. Unless, the 9 signifies this will be the end of the RX line, and UDNA/RDNA5 will get new branding perhaps 🤔
@@PositionOffsetGamingi think you're right, but I also think in additional reason in addition to the one you mentioned, it's probably because 9 means enhance ray tracing while the rx 8k are going to be for their new apus, which do not have enhanced rt
I was expecting something to compete with Nvidia, at least with 5080, just like last gen 7900XTX did. That’s a shame. That’s gonna make the prices of RTX 50.. increase a lot cause there’s no competition, until AMD release something maybe months later or years. Terrible
So my 7900 XT will be better in terms of pure perfomance and video memory but worse in RTX than RX 9070 XT? Dayum...and considering the new gpu will be around 650 and i coped mine for 750 It's nice knowing that.
stop saying "RTX" That's literally a nivida brand not Raytracing. just say RT. FFS. I am not trying to be mean. It' just how nvidia is hoodwinking the average consumer. By confusing them from DXR for RT from mircosoft.
If true, these results are pretty disappointing, especially if the rumored prices get confirmed. I was considering the (now called) 9070xt as a replacement for my 5500xt 8gb, if prices and performances were to be satisfying, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Man I was hoping it would be better than my 7900xt in raster at least. I got my 7900xt for a steal so I’m going to be keeping that unit for 5-7 unless AMD. Can release something of similar performance for $399 or less.
It's sad that despite how successful AMD's CPU side is they can't even compete with Nvidia on the high-end at least they will keep prices competitive on the mid-range.. Only question at this point is if they will have a DLSS rival. You can see how many GPU engines AMD let go in their lean years, because those engineers are probably at Intel right now which at least are putting out a decent card on the economical side.
Sounds like AMD will use FSR as a crutch. They've produced a card better at using upscaling software versus a card with increased raw gaming performance.
Sad days for gaming, looks like we are never actually gonna get a card that can drive a 1440p screen properly without 9/10 frame being fake ones or upscaled crap.
Unless yields are insanely good (ala Ellesmere-Polaris), I don't see that as possible. AMD cannot afford a 'loss leader' right now. nVidia OtOH, could sell an entire lineup at a loss to keep marketshare, and the investors wouldn't even blink.
That's a higher Port Royale score than I was expecting, but we'll see what that ends up meaning in real game workloads. Maybe it could potentially pull ahead of the XTX in very heavy RT workloads which would be a positive step but I'm not sure many people would trade the extra VRAM for that.
I disbelieve there is anything true from this leak. Moore's Law Is Dead hasn't said anything about it. But if AMD changes the name and doesn't release the 8800 XT, I will think about Nvidia.
I think a lot of people would buy a 4nm version of 7900XTX at a cheaper price due to little/no R&D. Could probably eek out a few percent more frames, and a few percent less power draw with a 20% node drop, even though node size isn't scaling with perf like it used to.
Gonna have to be 350-400 to make any sort of a splash. You can get comparable cards right now for like 450-550 absolutely absurd. Tech doesn't get cheaper and faster anymore....
If the 9070XT is going to shake anything up it needs to be 400$ given that the 7900GRE was priced sub-500$ 6 months ago [and maybe even now] AND the superior 7900XT is 640$. If they launch at the high end of the price estimate shown [650$] that would drive a stake through RDNA4's heart.
@@erutherford I don't that that would be viable at all. The 7900 GRE launched for $550. They cannot launch a similarly performing product at $150 less, the shareholders of the company would be very pissed off. I think it's reasonable to convince the management that we need more market share so we'll forgo some profit margin and reduce price by $50-100. Anything more than that is unlikely to pass through the investors.
People still dont get that it was never an 80 class card. The 7800 xt was really the successor to the 6700 xt just used the 800 moniker to upsell the price. If the price is 499$ then it would be a good value.
Preliminary performance on preliminary drivers and above all that, those are rumors expecially because rt performance is unchanged when we all know it should be way higher.
So, 8800XT now known as 9070XT is nowhere close to RTX 4080 @approx USD600 ... sad, very sad. No need to upgrade my 3080Ti as I was hoping and will have to target RTX 5080 (if I am ready to spend) most likely, maybe 5070Ti depending on performance/price point.
very disappointing for sure. The 9070 XT is a 7700 XT successor as it is a 70 class product and should be no more than 399-449. if rumours are true and it has 7900 gre performance which is like 5060 Ti/5070 performance then yeah AMD is screwed in the gpu market and will never catch up with Nvidia and its features like frame generation, ray tracing, better drivers etc.
Why is anyone surprised? AMD said specifically that they are targeting the mid range to low end. Yet people expected the RX 9070XT to match a 7900xtx in rasterization performance and have 4080 raytracing for $500 lmao. I knew it was not happening especially with 16gbs of GDDR6 vram on a 256bit bus.
RTX 4080 level of performance is literally gonna be mid-range in the RTX 50 series since the 5070 is gonna be close to a 4080 so AMD is competing against NVIDIA's last gen mid-range.
I am more than happy with my 5900x. IF this is priced good I’ll take it over the 4070ti. I can careless for raytracing. I just need to upgrade my 2070s
I was hoping for 4080-4080 super in raster at a significant lower price point. My 2070 is starting to show or age. Was ready to try team team red for tbe first time, but I guess its nit this time around, again.
3:06 The 7900GRE is 10% faster than the 7800XT. So what this leak is suggesting is that AMD will barely manage a 10% generational performance increase on a newer node while possibly also raising prices? This comparison alone tells you that something about this doesn't add up simply using common sense. If that was the case AMD would be better off to continue selling cheap 7800XTs on 5nm.
The math ain’t mathing here. If the 7800XT has 60 compute units and clocks at 2.5 GHz and the 9070XT has 64 compute units (6.6666% more) and clocks at 3GHz, even with absolutely zero architectural improvement that would be 28% faster than the 7800XT (lets say 25% faster because it doesn’t scale perfectly) and if there is a 10% improvement per core with RDNA 4 then it would be 37.5% (let’s say 34% because of scaling, shit even 30% is still a massive difference) faster than the 7800XT. The chart at 3:58 is only showing 14% faster. Either AMD is sandbagging hard or RDNA4 just sucks. If the 9070XT is 12% faster than the 7900GRE in raster and 30% faster in RT while using 50W less for $500 I’ll go with it, I just got a 9800X3D. If it’s 5% faster than 7900GRE I won’t buy if it’s over $450.
9070 no faster than 7900GRE, which is no faster than 6950xt, which was easily forseeable and why I bought the 6950XT on sale 3 years ago for $600 new. N7 was amazing, N5 gave incredible density, and there is literally nothing in the forseeable future that offers anything amazing. Personally I don't piss away my hard earned on even 25% dribs and drabs. But what did you expect from a tiny die? For what it is, it isn't necessarily bad, 7900xt RT with 20% less raster, but $900 was always a joke for the 7900xt, 20% less than that (even $650) is unacceptable. Hell I'm glad the market is like this, I'll get near a decade out of this card like my last one, the the 290x 8GB
its pretty simple if AMD price the big model @ 600 dollar they aint gonna sell anything cause 5070 and variants will start at that price mark with same performance but more features, 500 ish dollar tag or lower its needed to gain any market share.
Honestly with that low of performance it has to be priced insanely competitively, hopefully the performance in actual games is way better or it is way cheaper. At 500 dollars there just would be no reason to buy this over other options on the market for a next gen card.
Is it silly to think that if AMD changes their naming scheme to look like Nvidea's that we will compare it to Nvidea's? And when we do, should we expect AMD to be loosing this self imposed challange? - I think AMD may just be about to surprise us in a positive way, and I welcome the competition currently owning a 1070, formally having enjoyed the legendary AMD 9700.
So, according to the latest info, the 9070 XT will be 10% slower than a 7900 XT, and will have 20% less VRAM, but will sell for $30 more? What a deal! And remember, the die size for the 9070 XT is 240 mm^2 while the Intel B580 is 406 mm^2, so the 9070 XT is less expensive to make than the B580.
Considering we heard they stopped 7900XT & XTX production for months already do they really want to take that big of a step backwards ? Like 15% perf over a 7800XT when we know RDNA3 was a botched gen, and in the market for ages now and actually available at 490€ rn, means this need to be sold same price or less.
Does anyone know how much RAM the 9700 XT offers? I was looking to replace my 3060 Ti. Do you have any ideas about what would be a good replacement? I was thinking of the 4080 Super, but they're still expensive, or even the 4070 Ti Super.
Sorry for the typo in the title/thumbnail!
AMD will probably use their "strategy":
1. launch at high prices comparable to NVIDIA
2. people go with NVIDIA in mass
3. AMD drops the prices but nobody cares
4. AMD loses market share
Blame stupid CEO that want GPU division to be self-sufficient.... after it saved company when faildozer fail massively.
@@GreyDeathVaccine I don't get it to me it's obvious play to sell this disaster at few percent margin to get market share and better software support from devs. Use funds from all the X3D sales to fund development of UDNA5 and you could have chip that can at least somewhat compete with NVIDIA. These late stage capitalist just can't think longer term than one financial year.
Exactly. AMD = Abysmal Marketing Department
@@xYarbx It doesn't help shareholders like to hear "fiscal year" now which means quarterly. If you are investing your money into a company and you can't trust them to last 3 months without having to check in, you don't seem to believe in the company all that much in my eyes.
Which at that point, why are you investing in the company??
The name gives some hope that wont happen as AMD has always priced their 70 series under $500, you think it would be the 9080 if they wanted to charge $549-600 for it. Then again this is AMD....
This doesn’t make much sense, GRE performance for $450-650?? When the GRE has had price drops to sub $500. These “leaks” are either baseless or AMD is screwed
Yeah 9070 XT really should be no more than 500 bucks TBH.
Probably the latter
AMD stopped the production of the GRE
AMD making horrible choices related to GPUs? Shocker
Although I don't disagree with your statement, my take it on it is the 9070xt will be the same or slightly better than the GRE but with much better FSR and Raytracing. It really does come down to the price point honestly.
If AMD can't compete on raw performance or features then they absolutely need to compete on price.
Even if they do compete on both performance and features they need to compete on price.
Not just compete but be disruptive.
If performance features and price are all similar people will go with the well known brand that’s how market share works.
It took Zen2 and then Zen3 to offer both performance and value to shake the market from Intel.
Market share specialists everywhere
@@klinsmann6706
Don't say that they did it whit the Rx 6950 XT beating the 3090 in most games
Lol if this things $600 AMD is screwed, people would rather buy an $800 5070 vs their card
Grabbed a RX 6800 in 2021 and its still quite a beast in 1440p...around the performance of the new PS5 Pro, so not 2 much to complain about
Neither AMD or nVidia are looking(or in position) to actually push "consumer" GPUs. AMD makes more money with Any CPUs made instead of GPUs, and both of them are pushing the "matrix" of computation, which is where both are focused- high end, high ceiling industry and big data solutions. AMD is priced to match the last gen, and same is with nVidia. Neither will undercut the other, depending on the niche of each other´s products.
You could have a 560 dollar 4090, if the "world" was aligned. If we were without wars, and the exploitation of natural resources was as it was 10 yrs ago, you could have 300 some dollar 4090s, but that is just not where things are, or how AMD an nVidia are pushed, and Can price things at, considering fabrication caps of TSMC. A 4090 doesn´t cost 600 dollars, and with scaled economies even 450, if you "could" sell them at 5, or 8 times the available stock, but that is not how you price limited articles. once you max out your "playground" 4090 systems, you jump onto big time big data, big power industrialized, big money backed solutions, that make many times the margins, despite costing a lot more per transistor.
@xXxDark88DragonxXx my 6800xt does most 1440p at 120fps with ease...the gaming tv cant draw anymore, no need to upgrade. FSR can take care of newer AAA games for a while still. Find one used if you still can, no regrets.
@@robczar7479 Yeah, with my 6800 I play almost everything in native 1440p Ultra RT off with stable 60fps, good enough for me
This just makes me want the B770/B780 even more.
With the fake paper launch of the B580 you shouldn't be expecting Intel to attempt to release anything else anytime soon
Probably won't happen. Instead I think we will get Celestial in Q3 2025. C580 🙂
@@GreyDeathVaccinein Intel 18a? yes please
same, if intel drops a 16 gb card for under 450 including tax ill instantly buy it
If Intel releases the G31 it'll see them straight to second best performing graphics card manufacturer in 2 generations. In the same time AMD will have literally gone backwards from the 6950XT.
AMD GPUs never fail to disappoint.
Eh, I paid $709 for a 7900XT a year ago and feel zero regret or disappointment. It’s a beast at 3440x1440p and I absolutely love it.
@@Teh_Monk It was a disappointment at the original $900 price, which looks like will be repeated for this new gen
@@Teh_Monk I grabbed a 7900GRE at US launch. 'Was @ 1080P and was ecstatic with the GRE, then got a 1440p screen and now I'm looking for something at least as 'beefy' as a 7900XTX. I don't do FSR/XeSS; same reason I don't play at non-native resolutions.
@Teh_Monk I have a 7800XT I love it it replaced a 3070 and it's been solid. I want to upgrade so I can give my 7800 to my son
@@alnagy1700I have the same and love it. Was going to get a new amd card this coming up gen but this news makes me think I might go back to team green.
The 7900 GRE performs on par with a 6950XT but launched at half the price. If the 9070XT also performs on par with the 6950XT and the 7900 GRE, AMD can’t release it at that same $500-600 price point. It needs to be $399 max in order to qualify as any kind of generational leap in value.
you are right except....its AMD, somewhere it's written in Destiny they are going to f7ck this launch also🤣🤣🤣
💯💯💯💯
Here's the rub, though... nVidia's gotten away with subtracting performance tiers and charging more, generationally.
Whether AMD *actually* can get away with it or not, they're going to do it.
@@LRK-GT they just did with the whole 7000 series.
@rotm4447 yup, and their marketshare is lower than ever, thanks to that. Which is an achievement cause the 40 series had dogshit performance improvements for everything except the 4090 and maybe the 4070 Super.
This can't be a penny more than $499 and if AMD wants market share, mass adoption, good reviews, etc then $399!
It should be free. 😂
Lol watch them price it 549 MINIMUM. Most likely it'll end up be 599, which will make this DOA.
@@davidepannone6021it will. For sure. If AMD is consistent in their fuckery then we all know $599 is the cheapest.
They should compete with Intel's b580 and mid-range Nvidia cards with reasonable prices.
AMD has had so many opportunities to be the “hero” of you market only to screw themselves and everyone else with their Nvidia style pricing. I’m hoping for $500 but expecting $600+
Early leaks : ItS 4080 sUpEr In RaStEr AnD 4070TI super iN rT!!!!!!11
Leaks now: Its barely a 7900 GRE
I dont even know anymore.
Make this card 450$ / € and it will sell. If its 499$ and added Tax fro GER of 19% (599€) its DOA
400$
450 is even too much, imo needs to be 350-400
This is going to need to be £400 max, to not be DOA against the shortly arriving 5060ti & whatever new exclusive software features the Nvidia 50 series brings.
amd will shoot themselves in the foot and price it £100 less than the nvidia equivalent, as always.
@@sturmgewehr449im betting 600 quid for the "9070 xt"
Have to wait and see even with these specs the 9070XT is going to be closer to a 5070 then a 5060ti in performance with more ram based on the rumours. As for features that is also a wait and see. While DLSS 3.0 is great frame gen is more a bust or niche use at best.
@@Jeremy-WC bs, those so called gimmicks from nvidia are fantastic, just went to a 4070 super and aint leaving team green ever again unless the other is at least equal and cheaper.
that will never happen xD look at their CPU prices, they cost 1/10 and still cost 400+
Is this really profitable to produce? The 7900GRE is available for under 600€ for over a year now, paying more than 500€ for a 9070xt would be too much.
They just stopped production of the 7900 GRE
AMD is still using old GDDR6 to cut costs, I would guess AMD have a good profit margin on these.
The 7900 gre and this new architecture basically use the same node while the old one uses multiple chiplets and the expensive gluing tech to hold them together while being much larger.
This new dye is drastically smaller and monolithic, and is much cheaper to produce which is why the g r e has already been end of lifed and support discontinued
@@famousfighter2310 Which, previously being AMD's best price/performance card
all but absolutely confirms the ~7900GRE raster performance of Navi48, and gives us an expected price range. ($500+)
They changed the naming scheme to hide the lack of raster improvement.
@@robertmyers6488 oooff shots fired
Probably wanted to avoid Nvidia's blunder with 12 gig "4080".
They really didn't need a raster improvement. AMD's product lacks in quality upscaling and useable ray tracing.
@jessietomich8043 Upscaling exists to ruin visual quality to make up for the lack of raster. RT is noisy crapy fake HDR. That is why 8 year old games look and play better.
It is 15% better than 7800XT, it definetly does not lack raster improvement
400 dollars would smash the market share. It wouldnt quite hurt the console because it wpuld just be the GPU, but it would entice all PC owners to upgrade their old cards.
Yep, it would make me upgrade from my GTX 1070.
@@masterlee1988 yeah my old 1070 ti want to sleep and dont want to work anymore. So in germany this card cost more than 550€ in custom .... than i wait little bit more to see price drops on other cards like 4070 ti super.
If AMD ever sold a really strong GPU "at cost" or perhaps even below cost, they could _FINALLY_ put a real dent in the market share.
The CPU's are selling themselves, in huge amounts. Let the CPU branch give the GPU branch a much needed marketshare boost. How many people buy Nvidia just because that's what they've always done? Make it too tempting to pass up trying team red. And force game devs to cater more closely to their cards through marketshare.
How's that going to work when there's still a lot of 7x00 cards? Hell, 6950 is still in stock in my corner of the world.
@lordofdrones when the 5700XT came out I wasn't thinking about any card that came out before it, I just bought it. I also sold it later for $800. 🫡
You telling me amds new cards aren't going to be any more powerful than last gen? What's the point? Fuck sake. You watch Nvidia cards just getting more expensive and more expensive without any competition
It's not news. They literally had an official presentation ages ago saying that they won't be doing high-end models (this generation).
One day we will confirm Nvidia and AMD have been in cahoots the entire time. No way AMD could be this inept
@@Eonymia they said they want to gain market share instead this generation. How are they going to do that with this gpu lol it needs to be priced at 300-400 to even have a chance.
@@Spectre_N7really. AMD Cant be that incompetent, just look at Intel's cpu side.
better ray tracing and fsr probably
and fucking stupid naming change.
but the specs are disappointing indeed i thought performance will be in the area of 7900xt and not 7800xt
if this cost like rumor says nvidia will continue to rule mid market too
amd are ***ING bunch of dummies if this leak is correct
If we get 7900 GRE performance for 650, it would be very bad since the GRE is around the same as a 6950xt. Both those cards were already below 650 on sale. This "9070xt" needs to be closer to 500 and if AMD wants to go after marketshare, it needs to be 450 max.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was going to get the 9070XT but those performance numbers (especially the raytracing numbers) are not that impressive so the price has to reflect that.
7900GRE 489USD. Why same card would be released for 650USD - I don't get it.
Value regression makes sense only if AMD doesn't want compete.
i bought two 7900gre pure for 520€ incl. vat at Release from a reputable electronics retailer, which admittedly was a nice Deal, but thats how it launched.
so gre Performance for 600€ would be a joke of the worst Kind.
I paid only $600 new for 6950xt 3 years ago. It's lovely to get my money's worth, I don't see "upgrading" worthwhile before 2030 with lithography projections, and who knows how beyond that
The AI and improved RT could be sales points, but they'd just match NV and intel at this point.
Well done AMD, you have shat the bed, this card needs to be $449 MAX if its basically a 7900 GRE and only 14% faster than a 7800XT. I only care about FSR4 now, I was hoping this GPU would at least be a 7900XT in raster and offer better RT, but that seems to be out the window unless the card tested has been limited to 2.8Ghz, early talk was these cards hitting 3.2Ghz, which would put it closer to a 7900XT in over TF so likely within 5% of the 7900XT. We did see the exact same leaks before both the 6000 series and 7000 series. 6000 it was underestimated as AMD held back the final BIOS until the last second to make it look like the GPU wasn't anywhere near good enough so Nvidia would price the 3090 way to high, with the 7000 series we got "guesstimated" performance figures announced as facts and we all remember how that turned out. So who knows, either AMD are holding back performance of test cards for now, but if not. $449 AMD or this product is DOA.
DLSS, XESS and FSR should die already. It's the wrong way of using AI for graphics, if you ask me, and should just be a final resort to run higher FPS, not the standard so that no game can run well native while looking worse than 2015 games.
You're putting too much into leaks.
@@riel0563 1000% agreed, UE5 and DLSS honestly have ruined gaming, no shade on Nvidia, if out of the box every game could run at 1080p60 ultra on a 4060ti 16GB and then you use DLSS to get to 90 or 120fps, I honestly think that is a fair trade, but we are seeing games that now need DLSS etc to hit even 1080p30! It's madness.
@@ryshask I am 🤣 I get all hyped up, then get let down, then hyped again, before watching AMD get on stage and set shit on fire, I just want to go back to the glory days of Zen 3 and the GTX 10 series. Great products at a fair price, but that ship as long sailed
400 dollars MAX
How many years in a row can amd release the 6800xt
The same amount of years that I can keep using my 3080. lol
If AMD is really aiming to gain market share, their highest end Navi 48 GPU needs to at least match Navi 31 in raster performance and AD103 in RT performance for $400-$500. Any performance below that and a price above $500, then AMD has gone delusional.
this dissapoints me so much.... ive been buying amd cards since 2007 (sapphire radeon 3870hd), and its always the same... i think its time to change to the other side
You need to be a bit more optimistic,
The 6950xt what's neck and neck with the 3090ti while being drastically cheaper and using less energy
And even when it won on all metrics, except RT,
People still didn't buy it, except me, of course so a m d rightfully learned that it makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to design and manufacture something no one will buy
I want dual/triple/qaud GPU's back.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br People didn't buy it because those who are looking for high end performance don't want to be gated out of modern features like RT.
Grabbed a RX 6800 in 2021 and its still quite a beast in 1440p...around the performance of the new PS5 Pro, so not 2 much to complain about
Amd is done... We also, because nv will do all they want...
This would explain exactly why AMD EoL'd the 7900GRE; it would've destroyed the value prospect for RDNA4.
Esp. for most of us considering AMD GPUs, RT is a low(er) priority.
Looks like itll be better to just buy used 40 series in a few more months tbh
@@ilbro7874fr. It's very sad to, in 2024 (2025 very soon), think ray tracing is a joke and don't add anything to games.
Some games are perfectly disgusting with the rt use, but cyberpunk show us what path tracing can really looks like, in a giant fucking open world.
Imo, the only reason I could see for why someone wouldn't take rt into account when comparing gpu, is if you only play fast paced game where graphics are low priority. Shitload of VRAM is useless if you play your game in medium in 1080p 😅
the 7900GRE needed to go but not for this reason at all. AMD simply doesn't want to be producing two similar GPU's that compete with each other and don't forget....they want to capture some of the market from Nvidia so the RT is VERY important here.
Is anyone actually trying to use ray tracing on mid range GPUs? I mean you lose 50% fps and you already don't have a lot of them on 1440p to begin with
@@ksenchy The game publishers and HW/SW providers would have us believe "Yes. That's what FSR/DLSS/XeSS is for"
I'm currently sitting on a Ryzen 7 7700X and a RX 6800XT. These were the best parts I could get at the time of building. Looking at what's on offer for this gen I'm really underwhelmed. I think I'll just skip it completely as I can't afford swapping out for the parts that would actually be a meaningful upgrade (i.e. >20% fps). Nvidia have nothing that even looks remotely good value, Intel can't give anything that I'd consider an upgrade (which looks like a paper launch) and AMD have seemingly decided to follow the gravy train into AI after monopolising the server market at the expense of the consumer. It all feels a bit "meh".
I have a 6900xt, totally not worth upgrading to these cards, will most likely go for the 5080 next year
6900xt? Even 6700xt user like me finding the reason to upgrade hard
Grabbed a RX 6800 in 2021 and its still quite a beast in 1440p...around the performance of the new PS5 Pro, so not 2 much to complain about
@xXxDark88DragonxXx I have a ultra wide so needed a bit more performance for the extra pixels ;)
@@LeVolture not bad not bad haha
I wouldn’t trust the Timespy scores too much, because the 7900gre is about 7 % faster than the 4070 super alternative. This is all just synthetic, in the “real world “ they're equally fast. 4:12
Here we go just what i expected like half a year ago, and ppl still thought it's gonna be 7900 XTX performance... Just look at the specs... 4080 super killer... Yea right.
yeah it would have needed to clock in at 3.5Ghz just to match the RX7900XT's theoretical FP32 performance at 2.4Ghz for RX 7900XTX reference card like perf it would need to clock past 4 Ghz, and im not seeing gpus reach 4 Ghz Boost clock before UDNA2 if ever.
Glad my 7900xtx will be eating good for 3 more years
That look bad, nvidia will grape us now with prices :(
It's like amd wants Nvidia to win.
I mean, based on your comment, you were going to be buying nvidia
Anyways so you're part of the reason why the graping is happening.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Well he's going to buy nvidia because it will be superior product? Should he buy inferior product? To perk up multi billion dollar company?
@@darkfire3691 yes
Yep, pretty much. Jensen will be laughing all the way to the bank.
With pricing this bad, Nivida will just go:
5090: $2999
5080: $1699
5070Ti: $1199
5070: $799
5060Ti: $599
5060 8gb: $399
*fixed typo, was meant to say 5080
if the base 5070 is faster , which it most likely will be in every metric except for the fact that is only 12gb of vram , amd is going to suffer with that pricing. 400 dollars should be the target but even 500 is acceptable for the level of performance you would receive. It looks like the used market is going to be gang busters in a few months.
CHOO CHOO, its gonna terrible price to preformance, just putting it out there so you dont get dissapointed
Im in a 6950 oc formula. In black Friday, the 7900xtx was around 720-750 in some models. I stopped myself from buying it because the next gen is around the corner, and this is not what I was specting. Let's see what's nvidia is holding and the prices
Same. I should have got one of those Merc 7900xtx because the wait was a complete waste of time.
That would have been a steal for sure, at least in my country lol
Those TS scores seem sus af considering the 6000 series beats the NV 3000 and the AMD 7000 in many actual gameplay scenarios . Then again , TS has always been baked towards "new" hardware .
So 9700xt not 9070 :D or just wrote it badly? But twice in the description too?
9070xt, not 9700. Been leaked before that this will be he new naming scheme.
Nope it's 9070 they changed it.
9070 XT, AMD is changing the naming so it doesn't clashes with their CPU naming. If you checked their CPU naming (i.e. 9800X3D, 7800X3D), this is to avoid confusing the consumer.
@@Mochi-yo1ro But what is this replacing then. 7700 XT or 7800 XT
@@ksenchyDepends on how they price it. It might be replacing a door stopper. Otherwise it's a 7700XT replacement with 7900GRE performance as it seems right now. If it keeps the 7700XT price, it might be competitive.
They ended the 7900 GRE ready for this it has to be the same price or lower
What a dissapointment
depends on the price really, we already knew for a while they wouldnt compete on high end, if this card is 400 or below, its fantastic
@@Donsmokeypapi no way it will be 400$
Advanced Mega Disappointments.
@ to be fair we did “know” They wouldnt compete in high end.
However not even getting past the previous 7900xt(x) with a new architecture and lower node is a shame.
@@johanmelis12 it's not that they didn't pass it, they couldn't even match it.
They should price it right around $500 US. Roughly the same performance as the 7900GRE for ~$100 less, with better much ray-tracing.
The 7900 gre has been as low as $480 in the last few months. If AMD is really trying to gain a bunch of market share I don’t see a $500 msrp doing much
@@sijiajayi2968ok.. then AMD will give it $599 to ensure reviews aren't great and then drop to $499 in a few months. Us gamers just can't comprehend the 7d chess being played with AMD marketing.
$450 would be a good price point
No, it should be closer to 350-400. 7900 GRE is 480 right now in the US.
Or just buy a 4070 super
I was really hoping the top model to be in competition with 4080 fingers crossed these are some un-optimized driver benchmarks cause if this is the final performance they really need to be at 450$ dollar range since you can already get about the same performance from 4070 super at 600$ with better features and if they really want to be aggressive with pricing closer to 350$ but I feel it's unrealistic with how much the silicone is going to cost. These numbers if true make me much more interested at trying to get 7900XTX from clearance sale or 4080/4090 2nd hand.
99% Im betting they will announce this msrp around 549-699usd
I will go to 599 and call it a flop. AMD is just dumb at this point. Losing the traction they got in 6000 series was deadly
Give me an equal to 7900 xtx raster for half the price and I'll put my 3090 on ebay tomorrow. Prices are going to make this a huge win or huge loss. Not at least matching the 7900 xtx is a huge mistake.
@@Peepbus what 7900XTX is 800$ and those figures place the performance under 7900XT that is available for around 600$. If you are talking about performance being a mistake not really it is what it is it's not like they can turn a nob and give you more performance the design was locked in 2 years ago.
The 9070 is a small chiplet GPU meant for use on APU's and DATACENTER cards like the MI300. They are suppose to be very efficient, and able to connect to a GPU management chip which can distribute the GPU load between several chiplets. Think Crossfire / SLI between multiple GPU chiplets. It should be interesting to see if this, or next generation will be able to utilize multiple GPUs.
Darn, my 6900xt easily score 23k in TS. What a disappointment.
I’ve got a feeling they going to price this at around €600 as that is what the 7000 GRE variants were going for before AMD discontinued production recently.
So according to this the fastest AMD card is still the 7900XTX and if I have a 7800XT my only upgrade options are a 7900XT or 7900XTX in 2025??
Correct, which is why I'm getting an RTX 5080 instead. I love AMD but I'm not playing their game again for a bit.
I don't understand why they're skipping the RX 8000 series. Unless, the 9 signifies this will be the end of the RX line, and UDNA/RDNA5 will get new branding perhaps 🤔
There will be no rnda5. They have already confirmed this. Rdna is dead and ends here.
@TheDarkToes of course, hense why I mentioned UDNA
@@PositionOffsetGamingi think you're right, but I also think in additional reason in addition to the one you mentioned, it's probably because 9 means enhance ray tracing while the rx 8k are going to be for their new apus, which do not have enhanced rt
Probably the same reason Nvidia skipped the gtx800 series.
Grabbed a RX 6800 in 2021 and its still quite a beast in 1440p...around the performance of the new PS5 Pro, so not 2 much to complain about
I should have bought the 7900XTX 🤦♂️
I was expecting something to compete with Nvidia, at least with 5080, just like last gen 7900XTX did.
That’s a shame. That’s gonna make the prices of RTX 50.. increase a lot cause there’s no competition, until AMD release something maybe months later or years. Terrible
So my 7900 XT will be better in terms of pure perfomance and video memory but worse in RTX than RX 9070 XT? Dayum...and considering the new gpu will be around 650 and i coped mine for 750 It's nice knowing that.
stop saying "RTX"
That's literally a nivida brand not Raytracing. just say RT. FFS.
I am not trying to be mean. It' just how nvidia is hoodwinking the average consumer. By confusing them from DXR for RT from mircosoft.
Thanks for correcting me, i will keep that in mind. @@kevinerbs2778
@@kevinerbs2778was gonna say the same lol
If true, these results are pretty disappointing, especially if the rumored prices get confirmed.
I was considering the (now called) 9070xt as a replacement for my 5500xt 8gb, if prices and performances were to be satisfying, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha my XFX 7900XT 20GB Black Edition last winter for $650 plus $100 off in Amazon rewards was the right move.
Is it stated to be final performance numbers or is this just from a test? We will know soon
Man I was hoping it would be better than my 7900xt in raster at least. I got my 7900xt for a steal so I’m going to be keeping that unit for 5-7 unless AMD. Can release something of similar performance for $399 or less.
It's sad that despite how successful AMD's CPU side is they can't even compete with Nvidia on the high-end at least they will keep prices competitive on the mid-range.. Only question at this point is if they will have a DLSS rival. You can see how many GPU engines AMD let go in their lean years, because those engineers are probably at Intel right now which at least are putting out a decent card on the economical side.
Sounds like AMD will use FSR as a crutch. They've produced a card better at using upscaling software versus a card with increased raw gaming performance.
Nvidia's been doing this too with D.L.S.S & frame generation, Neural rendering advance D.L.S.S?
Sad days for gaming, looks like we are never actually gonna get a card that can drive a 1440p screen properly without 9/10 frame being fake ones or upscaled crap.
Everyone keeps saying this thing needs to be $500, or $400… but I kind of feel that $350 is the real price it should be.
Unless yields are insanely good (ala Ellesmere-Polaris), I don't see that as possible. AMD cannot afford a 'loss leader' right now.
nVidia OtOH, could sell an entire lineup at a loss to keep marketshare, and the investors wouldn't even blink.
@ I guess they have no way to win then, another fat L coming their way
I never knew the 7900GRE was 10-15% faster than the 7800XT! I always thought they were much closer together. Crazy good card, that 7900GRE.
That's a higher Port Royale score than I was expecting, but we'll see what that ends up meaning in real game workloads. Maybe it could potentially pull ahead of the XTX in very heavy RT workloads which would be a positive step but I'm not sure many people would trade the extra VRAM for that.
I disbelieve there is anything true from this leak. Moore's Law Is Dead hasn't said anything about it. But if AMD changes the name and doesn't release the 8800 XT, I will think about Nvidia.
Prices will determine how much I care
I think a lot of people would buy a 4nm version of 7900XTX at a cheaper price due to little/no R&D. Could probably eek out a few percent more frames, and a few percent less power draw with a 20% node drop, even though node size isn't scaling with perf like it used to.
I have a 4070 super that I got for msrp (£580) and it scores over 23k in timespy just with raising the power limit, so if it's $650 then it's DOA.
Gonna have to be 350-400 to make any sort of a splash. You can get comparable cards right now for like 450-550 absolutely absurd.
Tech doesn't get cheaper and faster anymore....
What did they run out of numbers? Why did they go with Nvidias numbering?
If AMD is serious about market share then 9070XT needs to be $450. At most, may be $500. Can't see it anything above that.
If the 9070XT is going to shake anything up it needs to be 400$ given that the 7900GRE was priced sub-500$ 6 months ago [and maybe even now] AND the superior 7900XT is 640$. If they launch at the high end of the price estimate shown [650$] that would drive a stake through RDNA4's heart.
400 dollars would smash the market share
@@erutherford I don't that that would be viable at all. The 7900 GRE launched for $550. They cannot launch a similarly performing product at $150 less, the shareholders of the company would be very pissed off. I think it's reasonable to convince the management that we need more market share so we'll forgo some profit margin and reduce price by $50-100. Anything more than that is unlikely to pass through the investors.
Hell no, for this performance it has to be max $399 or DOA... 7900 GRE performance in 2025 is bad.
haha and people thought they would get 4080 super Performance for 500
People still dont get that it was never an 80 class card. The 7800 xt was really the successor to the 6700 xt just used the 800 moniker to upsell the price. If the price is 499$ then it would be a good value.
Preliminary performance on preliminary drivers and above all that, those are rumors expecially because rt performance is unchanged when we all know it should be way higher.
I want pathtracing with 60 FPS and upscaling to 4k in modern games. This should be my next gaming PC.
So, 8800XT now known as 9070XT is nowhere close to RTX 4080 @approx USD600 ... sad, very sad. No need to upgrade my 3080Ti as I was hoping and will have to target RTX 5080 (if I am ready to spend) most likely, maybe 5070Ti depending on performance/price point.
very disappointing for sure. The 9070 XT is a 7700 XT successor as it is a 70 class product and should be no more than 399-449. if rumours are true and it has 7900 gre performance which is like 5060 Ti/5070 performance then yeah AMD is screwed in the gpu market and will never catch up with Nvidia and its features like frame generation, ray tracing, better drivers etc.
Why is anyone surprised? AMD said specifically that they are targeting the mid range to low end. Yet people expected the RX 9070XT to match a 7900xtx in rasterization performance and have 4080 raytracing for $500 lmao. I knew it was not happening especially with 16gbs of GDDR6 vram on a 256bit bus.
RTX 4080 level of performance is literally gonna be mid-range in the RTX 50 series since the 5070 is gonna be close to a 4080 so AMD is competing against NVIDIA's last gen mid-range.
I guess we will find out soon what Amd thinks is aggressive pricing to grab market share vs what the consumers think of it
I am more than happy with my 5900x. IF this is priced good I’ll take it over the 4070ti. I can careless for raytracing. I just need to upgrade my 2070s
I was hoping for 4080-4080 super in raster at a significant lower price point. My 2070 is starting to show or age. Was ready to try team team red for tbe first time, but I guess its nit this time around, again.
They gotta launch this below $550, right?! I’m guessing it’s between $500-549.
Under 550 bucks would be ideal.
400$
3:06 The 7900GRE is 10% faster than the 7800XT. So what this leak is suggesting is that AMD will barely manage a 10% generational performance increase on a newer node while possibly also raising prices? This comparison alone tells you that something about this doesn't add up simply using common sense. If that was the case AMD would be better off to continue selling cheap 7800XTs on 5nm.
As a 7900GRE user I didn’t have plans of upgrading anyways but if true still disappointing.
The fact that they are branding this as a 70 class card leads me to believe its going to be $500 at most
Yeah, something between 479 - 549 I guess
My only hope is AMD named this card the 9070XT because they want to launch with the 7700XT price which was $450.
Is what it is unfortunately, just gonna stick to the plan of saving for a 5090
Pas de 9080XT ou 9090XT ?
i have a feeling he is talking about the CPU... as i saw other video's the 8800 XT so how do we jump a whole series of gpu's ?
The math ain’t mathing here. If the 7800XT has 60 compute units and clocks at 2.5 GHz and the 9070XT has 64 compute units (6.6666% more) and clocks at 3GHz, even with absolutely zero architectural improvement that would be 28% faster than the 7800XT (lets say 25% faster because it doesn’t scale perfectly) and if there is a 10% improvement per core with RDNA 4 then it would be 37.5% (let’s say 34% because of scaling, shit even 30% is still a massive difference) faster than the 7800XT. The chart at 3:58 is only showing 14% faster. Either AMD is sandbagging hard or RDNA4 just sucks.
If the 9070XT is 12% faster than the 7900GRE in raster and 30% faster in RT while using 50W less for $500 I’ll go with it, I just got a 9800X3D. If it’s 5% faster than 7900GRE I won’t buy if it’s over $450.
hope it will be 20GB vram for the price get cheaper than 7900 GRE
256-bit bus so 16GB only.
9070 no faster than 7900GRE, which is no faster than 6950xt, which was easily forseeable and why I bought the 6950XT on sale 3 years ago for $600 new. N7 was amazing, N5 gave incredible density, and there is literally nothing in the forseeable future that offers anything amazing. Personally I don't piss away my hard earned on even 25% dribs and drabs. But what did you expect from a tiny die? For what it is, it isn't necessarily bad, 7900xt RT with 20% less raster, but $900 was always a joke for the 7900xt, 20% less than that (even $650) is unacceptable. Hell I'm glad the market is like this, I'll get near a decade out of this card like my last one, the the 290x 8GB
its pretty simple if AMD price the big model @ 600 dollar they aint gonna sell anything cause 5070 and variants will start at that price mark with same performance but more features, 500 ish dollar tag or lower its needed to gain any market share.
hmmif all that is in the end true thats a meh upgrade from a 6800xt maybe i wil better buy a 7900xt...
Looks like my 7900xt wasn't such a bad deal after all ^^
Wow, i thought i was switching from my gtx 1070 to AMD this gen.
650 for a 7900 GRE with better raytracing? Im sticking with Nvidia.
My RX 6800 from 2021 is nearly 3x faster than a 1070...time 2 upgrade I guess lol
I've been in the budget market a decade ago...
I'm pretty sure nowadays those folks aren't hesitating between a 5080/5090 and a new CPU !!!
Is anyone paying attention that they’re holding performance at the export restrictions levels?
Honestly with that low of performance it has to be priced insanely competitively, hopefully the performance in actual games is way better or it is way cheaper. At 500 dollars there just would be no reason to buy this over other options on the market for a next gen card.
Would be nice if AMD’s flagship RDNA4 offers performance close to 7900 XTX with better Ray tracing and maybe 20GB RAM. And price it under $600
Is it silly to think that if AMD changes their naming scheme to look like Nvidea's that we will compare it to Nvidea's? And when we do, should we expect AMD to be loosing this self imposed challange?
- I think AMD may just be about to surprise us in a positive way, and I welcome the competition currently owning a 1070, formally having enjoyed the legendary AMD 9700.
Amd is playing around or hasn't anyone noticed that 9070xt = 7900XT same numbers just rearranged
Sooo. Should I or shaint I return my 7900xtx I just bought a day ago and wait?
No, it will still be the fastest AMD card
So, according to the latest info, the 9070 XT will be 10% slower than a 7900 XT, and will have 20% less VRAM, but will sell for $30 more? What a deal! And remember, the die size for the 9070 XT is 240 mm^2 while the Intel B580 is 406 mm^2, so the 9070 XT is less expensive to make than the B580.
Considering we heard they stopped 7900XT & XTX production for months already do they really want to take that big of a step backwards ? Like 15% perf over a 7800XT when we know RDNA3 was a botched gen, and in the market for ages now and actually available at 490€ rn, means this need to be sold same price or less.
Well just as they are known for, AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity
Bro you really called it 9700xt in title lmao.
These GPUs wete supposex to be targeting 7900xt/7900xtx raster and 4070 ti RT.. So a more efficient 7900xtx. Guess they missed the mark again 😂
Does anyone know how much RAM the 9700 XT offers? I was looking to replace my 3060 Ti. Do you have any ideas about what would be a good replacement? I was thinking of the 4080 Super, but they're still expensive, or even the 4070 Ti Super.
16gb vram.