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The Adam Jones Gibson USA seems like the better deal at $200 cheaper…you can always get a Seymour Duncan Green Magic if you want the flipped magnet thing in the neck…
I should hope wasn’t the same as cs in your hand since there’s a 17,000$ difference in price , but sometimes I wonder if the cost is what makes people blind to the fact there isn’t much difference I’ll never know though cuz I would never pay 20k for a guitar
The featured guitar looks good and sounds good. Not having just watched the two previous versions of this model I cant say whether it sounded that different. I know Metallica covered Whiskey in The Jar but wasn't Gary Moore with Thin Lizzy when they did it?
When 3.2k is considered "affordable", you know there's something wrong with Gibson. On a more serious note, faded finishes are not a feature: they are a cost cutting measure. So a 700 dollar premium for the pickups and the greeny name sounds too much. Maybe if it had a proper finish.
@@Mephilis78 Bethesda releases games that are broken and leaves it to modders to fix them. Gibson charges prices as if it were "the pinnacle of craftmanship" (words used on its certificates of authenticity), but then delivers so-so quality control. It's not about love or hate; we are not in high school anymore. It is about whether these companies can be trusted to deliver a product according to the price they are charging or not, which they cannot.
>AAA top >Custom Shop Pickups you can't afaik buy separately yet >celebrity edition instrument x3 >eventually going to be a collector's item/limited production Get it yet?
@@rocketpigrecords3719 this guitar is never going to be a collector’s item man. Then custom shop pickups?! The Gibson custom shop uses the 490 set sometimes depending on the model. All of the guitars use Gibsons pickups. And being a model that you can only buy with this guitar does not make any sense because you can buy the pickups the actual guitarist has in the real guitar from other companies.
Gibson hasn’t sold me jack. Gibson is one of the many poorly run greedy companies I’d never do business with. I bought my Les Paul used, years ago for hardly anything, and when the headstock cracked sitting in it’s case, I repaired it myself. We live in the Golden Age of guitars why buy Gibson junk when you can buy so many other guitars that sound as good, are better made, play better, and are far cheaper.
@@rocketpigrecords3719 I hear 'ya, but............. >AAA top is partially obscured by the satin finish. Trogly's guitar here in a standard gloss finish would be absolutely stunning, subdued in satin finish though. >Custom Shop Pickups you can't afaik buy separately yet - Gibson now sells the "Greeny" pick-up set for $299 (on their website) >celebrity edition instrument x3 - There is nothing on or included with this guitar indicating any history, endorsement, or "celebrity edition". No COA, no special case (a' la' Bonamassa for example), no back of the headstock stamp/decal, not even a truss rod cover name. Nuthin' >eventually going to be a collector's item/limited production - all information indicates that this model will be in the Gibson regular rotation, no limited edition. Just sayin' 🙂
On the tuners. The screw that holds the buttons onto the shaft can be loosened to free up the tuners. There are teflon spacers and concave washers between the buttons and the actual tuner gearbox. Loosening the screw a little allows more backlash between the worm gears in the tuner housing and makes the tuners easier to turn. If you loosen it too much, the tuning can slip. If it is too tight, the worm hears can be stripped out. There is a happy medium. The tuners were designed for this purpose. Good luck and have fun! Good day!
Sadly my epiphone Les Pauls are better put together than my Gibsons. With the exception of the fretboard, but that is to be expected since they Plek the Gibson’s.
I much prefer the non-relic'd iteration of this one (I personally would also prefer all matching knobs....sorry, just me. I don't like the mismatching & would be looking for the same guitar design, but in a "New Guitar" Version)..... $3199.00 is too much for this. And... people need to stop accepting these manufacturing flaws in any guitar over $1000.00, let alone 3 times that.
@@Relayer6a True! Even though I appreciate the tone of that guitar.... I won't pay "extra" for someone to try to scar it up to look as worn. I want my "new guitar" to look new..... and I do try to keep them looking that way.
Wow, Mine showed up on Wednesday, Big difference. Serieal number is November 1 2022, weighs 9lbs 15oz. A Tank. Neck and binding much cleaner. I've been really happy so far through my Orange 20 amp and really fun with the fender mustang micro and bose head phones. Oh yeah, GC knocked $300 bucks off online and shipped to the door in 4 Days.
I just ordered a 10lb 5oz behemoth with a top that looks like SSJ3 flames. It's literally the best top I've ever seen on a Les Paul anywhere online or in person. Better than any top on an R8, R9, or R0.
$3100 and all you have to do is buy and fit the right tuners, strap locks, caps, re-wire it, buff it and sand the binding. At least it has a killer top…
and a AAA top. And $300 pickups. And a bound neck. And fret nibs. And a triple artist series guitar from three of the GOAT guitarists. And it's now sold out on Gibson's website and they're linking to the Epiphone version only on the main Greeny page for all four Greeny series.
I guess my only gripe is that if you're principally looking for the out-of-phase sound, why not get the relevant pickup set from Bare Knuckle, Monty's Guitars, Seymour Duncan, or whoever else, and simply install it in the Les Paul of your choice? Add on another few bucks for replacement knobs and you're there. Plus you could sell the stock pickups to make a little money back. Doubtless being an official Greeny model will carry weight for some people though.
@@mylogify I don't recall. I just put them in an LP Standard with 50s wiring and it was good from there. I don't own that guitar anymore since I didn't get on with it in other ways.
Can anyone tell me what this guitar has to do with the greeny moore ? I suppose it's a nice enough guitar, but it's literally nothing at all like a greeny, not in any respect at all. Did I miss something ?
Absolutely nothing. Gibson and Hammett making a $ off of the name. I’m sure it’s a nice guitar, but it doesn’t give me “Greeny/Moore” vibes at all and definitely not worth $3000 to me.
If the caps are the same values, you won't see any difference in tone, unless the tolerances are way off. No matter the style of construction of the capacitor.
With all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree. We can spare each other the arguments we’ve already heard. If we’re both basing from empirical, how cool would it be to experience the other’s evidence? It would be worth being wrong to have my mind changed by that, and maybe a tie-breaker third or fifth party lol
Agreed. I'm a tech and have A/B'd orange drop and bumble bee caps. .022 is .022 from what I heard - zero difference from each other regarding tone that I can hear.
Interesting. Well, personally I had like 3 or 4 sets of orange drops, with a variety of voltage ratings but same capacitance, and heard a difference between them. Supposedly this is impossible. Was using alligator clips direct on the pots, in the control cavity; not some breakout board, long leads, or decade box or whatever. Then I did the same with a large variety of caps I’d gathered for this purpose; mostly PIO, foil, and some different capacitance ratings among them. It’s a ziploc bag full of em. The best way I can describe what I heard is something like the difference between a sine wave and a human voice; the NOS bumblebees had the most prominently-complex (like a human) voicing, even when the tone knob is effectively off (which still stumps me), and in particular, when single notes ring-out. It wasn’t even close/debatable. I was also focused on all related attributes; action string type/thickness, pick shape/material… I may write a book lol I wasted a lot of time, energy, and money not getting the right sound because I first listened to the logical naysayers. So, I respect the opinion, but also strongly disagree. Pat Furlan has some decent vids testing capacitors in specific ways that reveal differences.
I really like the satin finish. I just bought my first satin finish guitar, (Ibanez RGT1220PB) and it's flawless looking. It's way better than the glossy poly/acrylic finish on my old PRS Custom 24. That one seems to get a new scratch every month. Lol.
Uneven finish, tooling marks, stuff that shouldn't be on a $3000+ guitar, touching a $3000+ guitar with sand paper shouldn't have to be done either. Good thing other brands aren't copying Gibson on that, otherwise they'd probably come after them. 😂
My prediction for an Epiphone version is a Burstbucker in the bridge and a flipped Burstbucker in the neck. No way will they do a Greeny set for the Epi and I'm guessing the same satin finish as their version of the R9. Not sure what tuners they'd use, but I'm sure they'll at least do the tone and volume dials
Your top is better than mine was, mine looked like it was two different cuts of maple they were two different colours not what I expect for a premium AAA top, mine suffered from the same tooling marks as yours and was 9.7 lbs , I returned it Gibson you need to do better for £3000 !
Nice review! They definitely need to sell those pickups on their own. If you like this guitar and Greeny Les Pauls but want something a little cheaper and glossed, maybe try the Les Paul Standard in Unburst finish. Some of those are pretty close to Greeny looking.
i just bought a SG61 faded Gibson for 1750.-Euros......thats fine and expensive enough for what it is.....instead of a Les Paul i have now ordered a prs mccarty sc SE....for about 900.- and that's the much better guitar...looks, sounds and playability.
How can you affirm that those are the same pickups used in the custom shop versions? Are they unpotted as well? Did you open them and checked the bobbins wire material?
I'm happy to tell you the difference. The Greenybuckers on the custom shops have aged nickel historic shaped covers and poles. Those pickups are unpotted. The USA manufactured guitars have the normal USA new nickel covers, poles screws and are potted. The rest is the same. Same materials, etc.
@@brandonwoundpickups hi Jared, thanks for the reply. Though I know that, what I meant is how he can affirm that those are the same ones fitted in the Custom Shop model.
I kinda like it. Just gotta flip that neck pickup around and fix the nobs to the desired choice and you got something. I like the satin finish as well.
An old useful common tool gets used and beat up. That's how some guitar players treat their guitars. Like old tools the love and prefer. But some consumers look at a Gibson Guitar as an investment or a trophy. Perfectly fine either way.
According to the shop I visited today and tried the Greeny, you can buy the Greeny Buckers separately now. I liked how it played and sounded. I love the vintage aesthetic. That said, I found the satin finish TOO MUCH. I think it needs a bit of gloss on it for feel. It just feels unfinished, but not in a good way. I don’t know.. it’s still on my list.
I bought a Les Paul Standard 60s Faded recently and the tool marks on the neck binding are absolutely terrible. Fortunately, I love the sound and the playability of that guitar. It is just disappointing to get this kind of aesthetic issues on a $2500 guitar.
I returned mine.. wasn't anything special for $3199.. out of phase I can get out of my 2018 Standard.. The color is off the top isn't a true AAA and the satin finish looks cheap.. The quality was bad too..
The tailpiece ground is a tin plated solid copper buss wire (16 AWG?). I think the better choice is a single conductor 18 AWG silver plated copper high stranded Teflon coated wire. The strands spay out (unwind the strands and splay them out before installation) more effectively around the tailpiece cylindrical wood threaded insert without offsetting the insert or making it difficult to install. The solid copper buss wire would probably have to flatted out somewhat in order to work without a great deal of pounding. The Teflon insulation will not melt when soldering the wire to the back of a pot. Given the length of the bus wire of the guitar in the video, why not solder the tailpiece ground to the ground lug connection on the two terminal lug solder strip?
My 2 Gibson Les Paul Standards came flawless. I would never have accepted that binding job, don't care how good the top looks. This gives Gibson a pass on QC!
No long tenon under the neck pup! My 2009 LP Standard Faded has nicer fretboard rosewood, looking more like Brazilion, with red black color, mine has even more flame, easily AAAA top. Money just seems to roll away every year as prices just accelerate upwards. Good reviews as I have followed each iteration of Greeny...thanks.
i like my SG faded, but i paid $600 for it. if they are trying to save money i seriously don't mind them 'skipping' a finish. i like seeing the wood grain, and the thin satin-nitro lacquer feels AMAZING and wears wonderfully.
How do they decide whether to use a LIGHTWEIGHT v.s. FULL WEIGHT tailpiece? Is taipiece weight a specification from a certain era? Or is tailpiece weight it just a 'random' choice? OR does it depend on the weight of the GUITAR? I can't imagine it would make much difference, but do they, for instance, use lightweight tails on examples with heavier wood? I mean with SIGNATURE models I assume it would be the artist's choice? I'm sure there are people who find that maybe a HEAVY tailpiece results in better 'sustain' or something?
I really love these semi affordable quality signature artist Les Paul guitars. Played Slash LP and loved it but need to try this one and the Adam Jones LP to decide which to get.
I'm thankful I invested in the 2015 era gibsons I've got some nice models and the standard honey burst I spec'd to Greeny isn't far off. (before people say yes the robot tuners and circuit boards are swapped out 😅)
I have a 2015 LP standard. Still stock. Love the wider neck, tuners and pickups. Also in Honeyburst. We are blessed to have real pearl I think and out of phase push pulls. Outstanding guitars.
So they pulled an Epiphone with this. Fake aged finish. The first thing I would do if I bought this guitar is take it apart and hit it with a buffing machine. I despise these finishes. That said, this first run has some awesome tops. These won't last. The tops will get worse as time goes by. THAT said, there is nothing Greeny about this guitar other than the backwards mounted neck pup and the out of phase wiring, and the knobs. This is like a Slash AFD. And I'm not sure why the tops are so nice. The top on the original Greeny is OK at best. I'll wait until they hit these used market. I had a similar situation with the Epi JB Lazarus. It was just the Epi 59 in a different color and a stenciled case.
Satin finish hides more than full gloss. I would return it with a price like that. My old Epi is better than that. Do like the natural back and top finish.
How’s the neck compared to slash model? I was able to grab the neck on a slash model and it wasn’t chunky for me. I prefer a small neck for my standard size hands.
Now that you have played both the Greenies and Slash Gibsons, what do you prefer? There is no comparison video online I can find that compares in the same video.
All due respect..I own one of these and it’s a pleasure to play ..he’s not demo it …well..all due respect ..there are some vids and I got it tru my tone king gremlin the middle position the honk is there if you work the vo.and tone controls for the flipped magnet in neck …you gotta work this guitar ..my top is also exceptional…hence the tops will get less flamey like the afd slash did and standards…it’s just Gibson …make splash then…..😮
@@shelbyavant5081 i returned it cause I felt like it was just a over priced 50s faded. Yeah it has a nice top but the pickups to me sounded like burstbuckers with the neck pup magnet flipped. It really didnt call to me, it might to others but not to me
These probably don't sound the same because of the lack of 50's wiring mentioned but also theres been debate these pickups are wax potted on these usa standard production models and epiphone model where as the after market greeny buckers and on the 2 more expensive greeny models they aint wax potted and sound better
Was waiting for your review...thanks for that. Have watched other reviews on this guitar as well. In Australia they will be around 6K, so quite expensive. Am tossing up between this and a Fender Custom shop Ltd Ed 51 HS Tele, Aged - about 6.7K here. The US20K version I have seen here for 46k so unreachable really as an option. I have a 2015 LP Standard with real pearl and wider neck/GForce which is actually an excellent guitar, despite the controversy (with 'out of phase' pull knobs on the tone pot). Watching your review I'd probably gut the wiring and redo it, which then I have to ask the question, at 6K, do I bother or just get the Custom Shop Fender. I maybe wrong but after seeing this I am not sure its worth it - or maybe wait and see if they bring out an Epi. I am a massive Moore fan but I don't feel this is 'close enough' at 6K, recognising that I don't expect a US20K result either - just a little closer than what this offers. I’d likely pay say around 8-8.5k Australian for perhaps a version that was custom shop closer to the 20k version. They could have put out a base custom shop model to fill that gap. I’d likely pay that. I would argue this is just a LP with Greeny pickups. I'd be better off with a 50's Standard I think. Much to think about but have to say I am leaning towards the Fender.
Can you possibly review the Chibson version of this guitar because it looks great and it's really cheap. I'm sure the electrics will be poor but the look of it is way better than this Gibson
@Trog This is my review of the USA Greeny- This is a critical review- there are pros to be discussed and some cons, and then my overall assessment of the guitar. We'll start with the pros- The AAA top is fantastic, all of them that I have seen have amazing tops on them that should have gone to the Custom Shop for R9s. The fit (we'll get to finish later) is really good no tool marks on the binding, frets (plek'd) are amazing and the rosewood looks very nice. There are no issues with the installation of any of the hardware or plastics. Pickups- in the bridge position- the pickup sounds great, lots of clarity and good output to push the preamp. Neck position- not muddy and a great warm Les Paul tone, no complaints there. The case is the standard brown USA case. The cons- The middle position- very thin, and just sounds bad even when adjusting the tones or volumes it just doesn't sound good. The finish- very thin, like virtually no clear coat on it at all, very cool dull look but the mahogany back/neck have almost no finish on them at all, which leaves the binding super white and you can feel the edges of the binding as there is zero lacquer on it. Opening the case it smells like wood not nitro. Tuners- they did some funky add Schaller knobs onto Grover tuners thing, they're very stiff and clunky. I think they overhyped and under delivered on this one, it is basically a faded 50s plus top and would be a great deal at $2700 but for the $3199 price it is not up to par. Is it Greeny like? Not even close its overpriced for what it is, if you are looking for the Greeny vibe I think you will be seriously disappointed.
What amp & effects were you using in your conclusion that the middle position is very thin and sounds bad? Also, if you know how to barter, you can get it for $2600 new from any major retailer.
@@NytronX Marshall 50 watt 68 SLP head, 1960 cab with 2 v30, 2 GB... fx- Tubecreamer, Klon, MXR Phase 90, MXR DynaComp. My other Les Pauls scream with this rig.
@@gregdunn6040 Hmm, my Greeny will arrive mid next week. I really doubt the middle position is unsalvageable. Will scroll some presets on my Fractal, maybe it's very sensitive to certain effects.
Did you ever do a review/comparison of the Collector's Choice Melvyn Franks version? I'm interested in the quality of that compared to the 50k version even though it's quite different.
i would have loved it more if they would have placed the les paul logo and would have put the Kh signature logo on the truss rod cover . Apart from that this its an absolutely gorgeous looking guitar
@@Pete_Harris I also have the Vintage PGM Les Paul and for its cost its a very good guitar, it comes with one piece neck, long tenon joint and rose wood fretboard too. If you struggling topay 3.2k for a les paul standard try a Vintage. I also own the 50s Faded Les Paul and that is also a very nice guitar. Gibson have gone all in with max profit from the Greeny Les Paul over the last 12 months.
Cool guitar with amazing background - like a 3-in-1 signature but any qc image is too much on a 3200$ guitar , if you buy an Ibanez for half the price it’s perfect out of the box or let’s say a suhr guitar for the same price as the Les Paul , I think it’s a shame people pay that much and are happy with something thats just average quality hiding behind a big name
@@ijumitzu Absolutely, the man himself, Les Paul. His signature model is so iconic that even people who hate signature model guitars still play his signature model.
Actually...he stole that term from a viewer..HK guitar...and never have him credit...HK guitar is a tech guru and posted some of the best comments on this channel
If you're shelling out that much cash {I'm not saying that it's not worth it} why can't you get real Mother of pearl instead of the pearloid inlays {mother of toilet seat} ??
That's just a history thing... the real 50s Les Paul Standards had acrylic so that's why these do. The Les Paul Modern uses real Mother of Pearl though!
if you have the money and it Inspires you then its worth it. gonna pick up my first LP Standard soon really want a silver burst. have a 2017 LP tribute T i love.
Thanks for the review and demo Trogly, I’ve really been looking forward to this one after your reviews and demos of the collector’s and custom shop editions. I like this guitar and I hope to own one (eventually) when there is a better supply in Canada. I though the middle position had that “Greeny” sound that make it worth owning. I would prefer gloss finish and a Cherry back but oh well. It sure is pricey to say the least. Props to you for the Megaman riff. Despite the fact that I really want this guitar, I am curious how the Epiphone version will be speced. If it has the “Greeny” pups then it may be a better choice. It may also come in at about half the price of the USA edition. I may have to wait for that release before I pull the trigger on purchasing a “Greeny” I may have to stop by my local L&M and ask some questions. Thanks again for the awesome and informative review.
There’s only one greeny! Greeny doesn’t have a satin finish. So how is that a replica? I love Gibson and really appreciate art guitars and the Murphy lab/custom shop with fender but aging a guitar is pretty whack when you can age one naturally yourself and a replica of something will NEVER play like the real thing. And for Gibby usa, not even look like the real thing. Ewe!
@@jonathanhudak2059 the knobs are all wrong, no aging was done, no KH initials, laaaaaammmmme!!!! Yet hella people will drop 3k for a guitar that looks or sounds nothing like the real thing. The wrong HSC too. What’s the $700 premium for? A lower grade finish, back was not cherry and QC issues up the butt! And you can pick the top?! How is this a replica?!
@@autoflowerhour5494 well if the true replica one is $20,000 you can't expect every little detail to be identical to it on one that costs $3,200. That's all I'm trying to say.
@@jonathanhudak2059 that’s the problem, exactly what you explained, the 50k one is gonna be real close to the actual thing, and the USA model is just a faded with a gnarly premium. You can get gloss faded and have it refinned and still save hundreds.
Best guitar I ever owned was a super slim Ibanez saber. 3 single coil pick ups but I replaced the bridge pick up with a hot rail. If that guitar weighed 5 lbs it was a lot. I bought it with a hard shell case at a pawn shop for like $175.00 back in the early 90’s. Surprise it was stolen. It exists now only in my memory. I have many guitars Gibson SG and Les Paul standard. Kerry king V, Jeff Hanneman ESP, Strat, Jackson dinky, to name a few but I still remember my black beauty Ibanez Saber. They stole the guitar out of the case. I still own that hard shell Ibanez case. It houses my ESP now. KAHNNNN 😮 Lol. Nobody to blame but myself.
What do you think - Sound the same or different? I thought it sounded good in the recording but wasn't as in love with it in the Room. Great guitar, but "different" from CS
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The top and color looks like my '13 Traditional.
The Adam Jones Gibson USA seems like the better deal at $200 cheaper…you can always get a Seymour Duncan Green Magic if you want the flipped magnet thing in the neck…
I should hope wasn’t the same as cs in your hand since there’s a 17,000$ difference in price , but sometimes I wonder if the cost is what makes people blind to the fact there isn’t much difference I’ll never know though cuz I would never pay 20k for a guitar
The featured guitar looks good and sounds good. Not having just watched the two previous versions of this model I cant say whether it sounded that different. I know Metallica covered Whiskey in The Jar but wasn't Gary Moore with Thin Lizzy when they did it?
Is Gibson going to start selling the pickups separately? You have connections, so I bet you can find out 😁
When 3.2k is considered "affordable", you know there's something wrong with Gibson.
On a more serious note, faded finishes are not a feature: they are a cost cutting measure.
So a 700 dollar premium for the pickups and the greeny name sounds too much. Maybe if it had a proper finish.
100%, thats why I opted for the faded honeyburst
even if it was a 100 dollar premium everyone would complain. Everyone loves to hate Gibson. Similar to Bethesda Game Studios in the gaming world.
@@Mephilis78 Bethesda releases games that are broken and leaves it to modders to fix them.
Gibson charges prices as if it were "the pinnacle of craftmanship" (words used on its certificates of authenticity), but then delivers so-so quality control.
It's not about love or hate; we are not in high school anymore. It is about whether these companies can be trusted to deliver a product according to the price they are charging or not, which they cannot.
@@nsp477 So does everyone else in the industry.
@@Mephilis78 Even if that were true, it does not excuse Bethesda and Gibson's behavior, nor it means consumers need to put up with it.
you have to love how freaking Gibson figured out a way to sell you a faded standard for a $700 premium.
What did Gibson run out of cherry stain what's with the brown back .
>AAA top
>Custom Shop Pickups you can't afaik buy separately yet
>celebrity edition instrument x3
>eventually going to be a collector's item/limited production
Get it yet?
@@rocketpigrecords3719 this guitar is never going to be a collector’s item man. Then custom shop pickups?! The Gibson custom shop uses the 490 set sometimes depending on the model. All of the guitars use Gibsons pickups. And being a model that you can only buy with this guitar does not make any sense because you can buy the pickups the actual guitarist has in the real guitar from other companies.
Gibson hasn’t sold me jack. Gibson is one of the many poorly run greedy companies I’d never do business with. I bought my Les Paul used, years ago for hardly anything, and when the headstock cracked sitting in it’s case, I repaired it myself. We live in the Golden Age of guitars why buy Gibson junk when you can buy so many other guitars that sound as good, are better made, play better, and are far cheaper.
@@rocketpigrecords3719 I hear 'ya, but.............
>AAA top is partially obscured by the satin finish. Trogly's guitar here in a standard gloss finish would be absolutely stunning, subdued in satin finish though.
>Custom Shop Pickups you can't afaik buy separately yet - Gibson now sells the "Greeny" pick-up set for $299 (on their website)
>celebrity edition instrument x3 - There is nothing on or included with this guitar indicating any history, endorsement, or "celebrity edition". No COA, no special case (a' la' Bonamassa for example), no back of the headstock stamp/decal, not even a truss rod cover name. Nuthin'
>eventually going to be a collector's item/limited production - all information indicates that this model will be in the Gibson regular rotation, no limited edition.
Just sayin' 🙂
On the tuners. The screw that holds the buttons onto the shaft can be loosened to free up the tuners. There are teflon spacers and concave washers between the buttons and the actual tuner gearbox. Loosening the screw a little allows more backlash between the worm gears in the tuner housing and makes the tuners easier to turn. If you loosen it too much, the tuning can slip. If it is too tight, the worm hears can be stripped out. There is a happy medium. The tuners were designed for this purpose. Good luck and have fun! Good day!
No excuse for that binding on a 3 thousand dollar guitar or a 3 hundred dollar guitar
Sadly my epiphone Les Pauls are better put together than my Gibsons. With the exception of the fretboard, but that is to be expected since they Plek the Gibson’s.
Agreed, spend a little more time on them to avoid this sorta thing/s
Agreed. I returned a Les Paul Custom for the same issue.
You’re all crazy
Don't think they are crazy, sent back multiple Gibson's due to q/c issues - switched to PRS problem went away. Gibson q/c still lacking
I much prefer the non-relic'd iteration of this one (I personally would also prefer all matching knobs....sorry, just me. I don't like the mismatching & would be looking for the same guitar design, but in a "New Guitar" Version)..... $3199.00 is too much for this. And... people need to stop accepting these manufacturing flaws in any guitar over $1000.00, let alone 3 times that.
So basically you aren't looking for a "Greenie". 😉
Me too.
@@Relayer6a True! Even though I appreciate the tone of that guitar.... I won't pay "extra" for someone to try to scar it up to look as worn. I want my "new guitar" to look new..... and I do try to keep them looking that way.
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@@BrentAdams So do I. I think relicing started as a way to be able to sell guitars that had poor finishes. LOL
Wow, Mine showed up on Wednesday, Big difference. Serieal number is November 1 2022, weighs 9lbs 15oz. A Tank. Neck and binding much cleaner. I've been really happy so far through my Orange 20 amp and really fun with the fender mustang micro and bose head phones. Oh yeah, GC knocked $300 bucks off online and shipped to the door in 4 Days.
I just ordered a 10lb 5oz behemoth with a top that looks like SSJ3 flames. It's literally the best top I've ever seen on a Les Paul anywhere online or in person. Better than any top on an R8, R9, or R0.
Only trogly would suggest light sand paper for a brand new $3,000 Gibson.
$3100 and all you have to do is buy and fit the right tuners, strap locks, caps, re-wire it, buff it and sand the binding. At least it has a killer top…
So basically it's just a satin les paul standard with mixed knobs and different pickups?
Bingo!
yep, you could buy a New faded series Les Paul and switch the pickups to greenie and save $400 or more.
and a AAA top. And $300 pickups. And a bound neck. And fret nibs. And a triple artist series guitar from three of the GOAT guitarists. And it's now sold out on Gibson's website and they're linking to the Epiphone version only on the main Greeny page for all four Greeny series.
Let's face it. It's not worth the price. Gibson is ripping us off.
I guess my only gripe is that if you're principally looking for the out-of-phase sound, why not get the relevant pickup set from Bare Knuckle, Monty's Guitars, Seymour Duncan, or whoever else, and simply install it in the Les Paul of your choice? Add on another few bucks for replacement knobs and you're there. Plus you could sell the stock pickups to make a little money back.
Doubtless being an official Greeny model will carry weight for some people though.
Exactly
True. I did that with a set of Bareknuckle PG Blues and it did the trick
@@craiglizt8074 How did they wire the pickups to get that sound? Did you install them to a Les Paul? or Les Paul type of guitar?
@@mylogify I don't recall. I just put them in an LP Standard with 50s wiring and it was good from there.
I don't own that guitar anymore since I didn't get on with it in other ways.
@@craiglizt8074 Oo ok… Sorry that you don’t have it anymore…
Can anyone tell me what this guitar has to do with the greeny moore ? I suppose it's a nice enough guitar, but it's literally nothing at all like a greeny, not in any respect at all. Did I miss something ?
Absolutely nothing. Gibson and Hammett making a $ off of the name. I’m sure it’s a nice guitar, but it doesn’t give me “Greeny/Moore” vibes at all and definitely not worth $3000 to me.
If the caps are the same values, you won't see any difference in tone, unless the tolerances are way off. No matter the style of construction of the capacitor.
With all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree. We can spare each other the arguments we’ve already heard.
If we’re both basing from empirical, how cool would it be to experience the other’s evidence? It would be worth being wrong to have my mind changed by that, and maybe a tie-breaker third or fifth party lol
Agreed. I'm a tech and have A/B'd orange drop and bumble bee caps. .022 is .022 from what I heard - zero difference from each other regarding tone that I can hear.
Interesting.
Well, personally I had like 3 or 4 sets of orange drops, with a variety of voltage ratings but same capacitance, and heard a difference between them. Supposedly this is impossible. Was using alligator clips direct on the pots, in the control cavity; not some breakout board, long leads, or decade box or whatever.
Then I did the same with a large variety of caps I’d gathered for this purpose; mostly PIO, foil, and some different capacitance ratings among them. It’s a ziploc bag full of em. The best way I can describe what I heard is something like the difference between a sine wave and a human voice; the NOS bumblebees had the most prominently-complex (like a human) voicing, even when the tone knob is effectively off (which still stumps me), and in particular, when single notes ring-out. It wasn’t even close/debatable. I was also focused on all related attributes; action string type/thickness, pick shape/material… I may write a book lol
I wasted a lot of time, energy, and money not getting the right sound because I first listened to the logical naysayers.
So, I respect the opinion, but also strongly disagree.
Pat Furlan has some decent vids testing capacitors in specific ways that reveal differences.
any difference in sound would be due to rated value and tolerance, construction makes no difference in such a low voltage circuit.
I really like the satin finish. I just bought my first satin finish guitar, (Ibanez RGT1220PB) and it's flawless looking. It's way better than the glossy poly/acrylic finish on my old PRS Custom 24. That one seems to get a new scratch every month. Lol.
Uneven finish, tooling marks, stuff that shouldn't be on a $3000+ guitar, touching a $3000+ guitar with sand paper shouldn't have to be done either.
Good thing other brands aren't copying Gibson on that, otherwise they'd probably come after them. 😂
My prediction for an Epiphone version is a Burstbucker in the bridge and a flipped Burstbucker in the neck. No way will they do a Greeny set for the Epi and I'm guessing the same satin finish as their version of the R9.
Not sure what tuners they'd use, but I'm sure they'll at least do the tone and volume dials
I'd be very happy with an Epi - esp if they do the satin finish - then flip in some Monty's Bethnal Greens.
From what I hear Kirk likes the Epi the best of all the Greeny copies lol
@@craigusselman546 Yeah, didn't he say it was his couch guitar? I heard that even that has a Greeny specific Burstbucker
You should flip the poker chip over and see if it has writing on it.
Your top is better than mine was, mine looked like it was two different cuts of maple they were two different colours not what I expect for a premium AAA top, mine suffered from the same tooling marks as yours and was 9.7 lbs , I returned it Gibson you need to do better for £3000 !
9.7 lbs is heavy, they could make weight relief to get that ''light mahogany'' lightness.
Does no one else think the back being painted the wrong colour is kinda wild on what is a signature guitar? Like that’s the point 😂
Nice review! They definitely need to sell those pickups on their own.
If you like this guitar and Greeny Les Pauls but want something a little cheaper and glossed, maybe try the Les Paul Standard in Unburst finish. Some of those are pretty close to Greeny looking.
Seymour Duncan makes Greenie style pups for $360
i just bought a SG61 faded Gibson for 1750.-Euros......thats fine and expensive enough for what it is.....instead of a Les Paul i have now ordered a prs mccarty sc SE....for about 900.- and that's the much better guitar...looks, sounds and playability.
For this price, I would get the Adam Jones LP Standatd.
same here! better guitar
For the price I'd get pretty much any other brand lol
You should’ve had it shipped via UPS so you could have something closer to the Custom Shop version. 😂
LOL, aka bring it straight to a luthier for headstock repair.
Neck tenon is short?
How can you affirm that those are the same pickups used in the custom shop versions? Are they unpotted as well? Did you open them and checked the bobbins wire material?
I'm happy to tell you the difference. The Greenybuckers on the custom shops have aged nickel historic shaped covers and poles. Those pickups are unpotted. The USA manufactured guitars have the normal USA new nickel covers, poles screws and are potted. The rest is the same. Same materials, etc.
@@brandonwoundpickups hi Jared, thanks for the reply. Though I know that, what I meant is how he can affirm that those are the same ones fitted in the Custom Shop model.
I kinda like it. Just gotta flip that neck pickup around and fix the nobs to the desired choice and you got something. I like the satin finish as well.
Had to return mine. Neck binding was underlapping the neck on both sides throughout the whole neck. I did love the top.
So I don’t have to pay $19k or $50k+ for a heavily damaged guitar? And the more I spend the more damaged it is? Love it.
An old useful common tool gets used and beat up. That's how some guitar players treat their guitars. Like old tools the love and prefer. But some consumers look at a Gibson Guitar as an investment or a trophy. Perfectly fine either way.
According to the shop I visited today and tried the Greeny, you can buy the Greeny Buckers separately now.
I liked how it played and sounded. I love the vintage aesthetic. That said, I found the satin finish TOO MUCH. I think it needs a bit of gloss on it for feel. It just feels unfinished, but not in a good way. I don’t know.. it’s still on my list.
It is me or this guitar sounds bit less defined on Mids and highs compared to the CS example? The sound was a bit mushy to my taste
I bought a Les Paul Standard 60s Faded recently and the tool marks on the neck binding are absolutely terrible. Fortunately, I love the sound and the playability of that guitar. It is just disappointing to get this kind of aesthetic issues on a $2500 guitar.
It is a shame to realease a guitar like this for this pricepoint. Most other brands feature premium guitars.
I returned mine.. wasn't anything special for $3199.. out of phase I can get out of my 2018 Standard.. The color is off the top isn't a true AAA and the satin finish looks cheap.. The quality was bad too..
Gibson's are my fave . But man their craftsmanship is so poor . Crazy, must pay their employees like shit
A stunning guitar!!! It looks like my Epi Lazarus….
The tailpiece ground is a tin plated solid copper buss wire (16 AWG?). I think the better choice is a single conductor 18 AWG silver plated copper high stranded Teflon coated wire. The strands spay out (unwind the strands and splay them out before installation) more effectively around the tailpiece cylindrical wood threaded insert without offsetting the insert or making it difficult to install. The solid copper buss wire would probably have to flatted out somewhat in order to work without a great deal of pounding. The Teflon insulation will not melt when soldering the wire to the back of a pot. Given the length of the bus wire of the guitar in the video, why not solder the tailpiece ground to the ground lug connection on the two terminal lug solder strip?
4:10 re:pick guard, that’s me lol!
Does it come with a free wah?
My 2 Gibson Les Paul Standards came flawless. I would never have accepted that binding job, don't care how good the top looks. This gives Gibson a pass on QC!
People really need to stop giving them passes for that atrocious QC. They’ll never improve as long as people keep accepting it.
Typical Gibson quality control.
Imma wait for the epiphone 😂
yeah, but it's an epi. MOST of them suck and still have ugly headstocks.
Can you do a review for the Gibson Les Paul Standard 50s Heritage Cherry Sunburst?
Have to say it does not sound like Greenie
Clean, sounds nice, with distortion it's kinda meh for me, I don't know if he changes something in his amp or is just how it sounds, I'm not impressed
You should add the Vintage V100MRPG Lemon Drop for the full range of 'Greenies' starting from 500 bucks
So, they save money on the finish and flip the magnet in one of the BurstBuckers? No thanks. Doesn’t look like it at all.
No long tenon under the neck pup! My 2009 LP Standard Faded has nicer fretboard rosewood, looking more like Brazilion, with red black color, mine has even more flame, easily AAAA top. Money just seems to roll away every year as prices just accelerate upwards. Good reviews as I have followed each iteration of Greeny...thanks.
i like my SG faded, but i paid $600 for it. if they are trying to save money i seriously don't mind them 'skipping' a finish. i like seeing the wood grain, and the thin satin-nitro lacquer feels AMAZING and wears wonderfully.
How do they decide whether to use a LIGHTWEIGHT v.s. FULL WEIGHT tailpiece?
Is taipiece weight a specification from a certain era? Or is tailpiece weight it just a 'random' choice? OR does it depend on the weight of the GUITAR? I can't imagine it would make much difference, but do they, for instance, use lightweight tails on examples with heavier wood?
I mean with SIGNATURE models I assume it would be the artist's choice? I'm sure there are people who find that maybe a HEAVY tailpiece results in better 'sustain' or something?
If it's not 50s wiring in that one it will make a difference in the sound. Nice top on that one
"my dealer definitely hooked me up on this one" -Trogly 2023
I really love these semi affordable quality signature artist Les Paul guitars. Played Slash LP and loved it but need to try this one and the Adam Jones LP to decide which to get.
I feel like it wasn’t as bright, but I think I’d like to hear a side by side comparison.
Megaman 2 woodman level, loved that Trogly. Good job. @14:44
3200 for some not so hot quality control?... ouch 😖
I'm thankful I invested in the 2015 era gibsons I've got some nice models and the standard honey burst I spec'd to Greeny isn't far off. (before people say yes the robot tuners and circuit boards are swapped out 😅)
I have a 2015 LP standard. Still stock. Love the wider neck, tuners and pickups. Also in Honeyburst. We are blessed to have real pearl I think and out of phase push pulls. Outstanding guitars.
I'm waiting for the Epiphone version.
So they pulled an Epiphone with this. Fake aged finish. The first thing I would do if I bought this guitar is take it apart and hit it with a buffing machine. I despise these finishes.
That said, this first run has some awesome tops. These won't last. The tops will get worse as time goes by.
THAT said, there is nothing Greeny about this guitar other than the backwards mounted neck pup and the out of phase wiring, and the knobs. This is like a Slash AFD.
And I'm not sure why the tops are so nice. The top on the original Greeny is OK at best. I'll wait until they hit these used market.
I had a similar situation with the Epi JB Lazarus. It was just the Epi 59 in a different color and a stenciled case.
no, I have a Slash Gibson and it is much better than this seems to be and I bought it for way less money.
Satin finish hides more than full gloss.
I would return it with a price like that. My old Epi is better than that.
Do like the natural back and top finish.
Terrible QC on the binding - goes to prove that USA made means nothing.
How’s the neck compared to slash model? I was able to grab the neck on a slash model and it wasn’t chunky for me. I prefer a small neck for my standard size hands.
Just ordered one
This would look so much better with nickel hardware. I don't know why they went with chrome?
Now that you have played both the Greenies and Slash Gibsons, what do you prefer? There is no comparison video online I can find that compares in the same video.
All due respect..I own one of these and it’s a pleasure to play ..he’s not demo it …well..all due respect ..there are some vids and I got it tru my tone king gremlin the middle position the honk is there if you work the vo.and tone controls for the flipped magnet in neck …you gotta work this guitar ..my top is also exceptional…hence the tops will get less flamey like the afd slash did and standards…it’s just Gibson …make splash then…..😮
GG is for good game...lol.
I had a greeny but wasnt too happy with it, I returned it
What for?
@@orbitaljellyfish808 didnt get anything else
@@zigzagrz he was asking why you returned it. You didn't say you exchanged it😅
@@shelbyavant5081 i returned it cause I felt like it was just a over priced 50s faded. Yeah it has a nice top but the pickups to me sounded like burstbuckers with the neck pup magnet flipped. It really didnt call to me, it might to others but not to me
I looooove that satin finish. Makes me wanna touch it
Holy crap the QC
14:44 I recognize that theme, LOL. Mega Man 2, Dry Wiley stage 1 except played in a different key, LOL
Peter played mostly on the bridge. His best out of phase tone was on his Strat.
These probably don't sound the same because of the lack of 50's wiring mentioned but also theres been debate these pickups are wax potted on these usa standard production models and epiphone model where as the after market greeny buckers and on the 2 more expensive greeny models they aint wax potted and sound better
So where it is a satin finish? How will that affect any aging? I'm guessing it won't crackle like regular Nitro.
Was waiting for your review...thanks for that. Have watched other reviews on this guitar as well. In Australia they will be around 6K, so quite expensive. Am tossing up between this and a Fender Custom shop Ltd Ed 51 HS Tele, Aged - about 6.7K here. The US20K version I have seen here for 46k so unreachable really as an option. I have a 2015 LP Standard with real pearl and wider neck/GForce which is actually an excellent guitar, despite the controversy (with 'out of phase' pull knobs on the tone pot). Watching your review I'd probably gut the wiring and redo it, which then I have to ask the question, at 6K, do I bother or just get the Custom Shop Fender. I maybe wrong but after seeing this I am not sure its worth it - or maybe wait and see if they bring out an Epi. I am a massive Moore fan but I don't feel this is 'close enough' at 6K, recognising that I don't expect a US20K result either - just a little closer than what this offers. I’d likely pay say around 8-8.5k Australian for perhaps a version that was custom shop closer to the 20k version. They could have put out a base custom shop model to fill that gap. I’d likely pay that. I would argue this is just a LP with Greeny pickups. I'd be better off with a 50's Standard I think. Much to think about but have to say I am leaning towards the Fender.
At 10:39 you talk about the tooling marks on the binding, is that a warranty issue or is that what you get, luck of the draw? Thanks.
you get what you get kind of thing
That blank poker chip would bug me, I would replace it with a normal one with the writing. Nice guitar overall though!
The wide flame on these are amazing. Didn't they release this model about 10 years ago? haha
and a "take" 10 years prior to that one as well!
Can you possibly review the Chibson version of this guitar because it looks great and it's really cheap. I'm sure the electrics will be poor but the look of it is way better than this Gibson
@Trog This is my review of the USA Greeny-
This is a critical review- there are pros to be discussed and some cons, and then my overall assessment of the guitar.
We'll start with the pros-
The AAA top is fantastic, all of them that I have seen have amazing tops on them that should have gone to the Custom Shop for R9s.
The fit (we'll get to finish later) is really good no tool marks on the binding, frets (plek'd) are amazing and the rosewood looks very nice. There are no issues with the installation of any of the hardware or plastics.
Pickups- in the bridge position- the pickup sounds great, lots of clarity and good output to push the preamp.
Neck position- not muddy and a great warm Les Paul tone, no complaints there.
The case is the standard brown USA case.
The cons-
The middle position- very thin, and just sounds bad even when adjusting the tones or volumes it just doesn't sound good.
The finish- very thin, like virtually no clear coat on it at all, very cool dull look but the mahogany back/neck have almost no finish on them at all, which leaves the binding super white and you can feel the edges of the binding as there is zero lacquer on it. Opening the case it smells like wood not nitro.
Tuners- they did some funky add Schaller knobs onto Grover tuners thing, they're very stiff and clunky.
I think they overhyped and under delivered on this one, it is basically a faded 50s plus top and would be a great deal at $2700 but for the $3199 price it is not up to par. Is it Greeny like? Not even close its overpriced for what it is, if you are looking for the Greeny vibe I think you will be seriously disappointed.
What amp & effects were you using in your conclusion that the middle position is very thin and sounds bad?
Also, if you know how to barter, you can get it for $2600 new from any major retailer.
@@NytronX Marshall 50 watt 68 SLP head, 1960 cab with 2 v30, 2 GB... fx- Tubecreamer, Klon, MXR Phase 90, MXR DynaComp. My other Les Pauls scream with this rig.
@@gregdunn6040 Hmm, my Greeny will arrive mid next week. I really doubt the middle position is unsalvageable. Will scroll some presets on my Fractal, maybe it's very sensitive to certain effects.
Did you ever do a review/comparison of the Collector's Choice Melvyn Franks version? I'm interested in the quality of that compared to the 50k version even though it's quite different.
OK that middle position sounds pretty good imo, still I'm happy with my standard 50s model from 2020.
I love this guitar but I'm the guy who'll put the pickguard on and wire the pickups correctly 😅
Too hot of a pair of pickups for me. But I can see how this works in a metal setting. I miss a sweetness I associate with a good Gibson Les Paul.
Those pickups aren't that hot lol. They're about as hot as a Gibson Burstbucker 2 or 3. The 3 may be hotter even.
i would have loved it more if they would have placed the les paul logo and would have put the Kh signature logo on the truss rod cover . Apart from that this its an absolutely gorgeous looking guitar
Maybe interesting to review now the Vintage version as an even cheaper comparison?
I have the Vintage PGM and it's a fantastic guitar that punches well above its weight for the money.
@@Pete_Harris I also have the Vintage PGM Les Paul and for its cost its a very good guitar, it comes with one piece neck, long tenon joint and rose wood fretboard too. If you struggling topay 3.2k for a les paul standard try a Vintage. I also own the 50s Faded Les Paul and that is also a very nice guitar. Gibson have gone all in with max profit from the Greeny Les Paul over the last 12 months.
Lemon burst is very nice but the flamed maple is far off. However ist sounds pretty good.
Loved the Mega Man, Dr Wily cover! 😎
The top is excellent, very pretty, but the sound was definitely a letdown, and that out of phase was not doing it for me
Cool guitar with amazing background - like a 3-in-1 signature but any qc image is too much on a 3200$ guitar , if you buy an Ibanez for half the price it’s perfect out of the box or let’s say a suhr guitar for the same price as the Les Paul , I think it’s a shame people pay that much and are happy with something thats just average quality hiding behind a big name
3-in-1 signature? I think you mean 4-in-1 signature.
@@charlesbolton8471 Green Moore Hammett - did I forget someone ?
@@ijumitzu
Absolutely, the man himself, Les Paul. His signature model is so iconic that even people who hate signature model guitars still play his signature model.
I have a standard faded with a cherry back (or at least darker)
Please, stop with the "chatoyant" use. It makes you sound like you're trying too hard to be "smart".
Actually...he stole that term from a viewer..HK guitar...and never have him credit...HK guitar is a tech guru and posted some of the best comments on this channel
3.2k for satin finish and crappy QC😂😂😂 GOOD LUCK
Does anyone know where you can buy a set of the custom shop gold knobs? Not the regulars but custom shop. Thanks
If you're shelling out that much cash {I'm not saying that it's not worth it} why can't you get real Mother of pearl instead of the pearloid inlays {mother of toilet seat} ??
Actually they are acryllic inlays.... even worse than mother of commode seat
That's just a history thing... the real 50s Les Paul Standards had acrylic so that's why these do. The Les Paul Modern uses real Mother of Pearl though!
@@Trog Thanks for the elucidation
if you have the money and it Inspires you then its worth it. gonna pick up my first LP Standard soon really want a silver burst. have a 2017 LP tribute T i love.
Should I get the Kirk hammet or slash ?
neck fretboard edges are typically for Gibson crappy finish - I hate Gibson's necks
Thanks for the review and demo Trogly, I’ve really been looking forward to this one after your reviews and demos of the collector’s and custom shop editions. I like this guitar and I hope to own one (eventually) when there is a better supply in Canada. I though the middle position had that “Greeny” sound that make it worth owning. I would prefer gloss finish and a Cherry back but oh well. It sure is pricey to say the least. Props to you for the Megaman riff. Despite the fact that I really want this guitar, I am curious how the Epiphone version will be speced. If it has the “Greeny” pups then it may be a better choice. It may also come in at about half the price of the USA edition. I may have to wait for that release before I pull the trigger on purchasing a “Greeny” I may have to stop by my local L&M and ask some questions. Thanks again for the awesome and informative review.
There’s only one greeny! Greeny doesn’t have a satin finish. So how is that a replica? I love Gibson and really appreciate art guitars and the Murphy lab/custom shop with fender but aging a guitar is pretty whack when you can age one naturally yourself and a replica of something will NEVER play like the real thing. And for Gibby usa, not even look like the real thing. Ewe!
I'm guessing they're just trying to sort of mimic the original Greenie by giving it a satin finish to make it look more aged and used
@@jonathanhudak2059 the knobs are all wrong, no aging was done, no KH initials, laaaaaammmmme!!!! Yet hella people will drop 3k for a guitar that looks or sounds nothing like the real thing. The wrong HSC too. What’s the $700 premium for? A lower grade finish, back was not cherry and QC issues up the butt! And you can pick the top?! How is this a replica?!
@@autoflowerhour5494 well if the true replica one is $20,000 you can't expect every little detail to be identical to it on one that costs $3,200. That's all I'm trying to say.
@@jonathanhudak2059 that’s the problem, exactly what you explained, the 50k one is gonna be real close to the actual thing, and the USA model is just a faded with a gnarly premium. You can get gloss faded and have it refinned and still save hundreds.
@@autoflowerhour5494 thanks, good points and well said. Glad we can see eye-to-eye my friend 👍
The wiring makes all the difference.
Best guitar I ever owned was a super slim Ibanez saber. 3 single coil pick ups but I replaced the bridge pick up with a hot rail. If that guitar weighed 5 lbs it was a lot. I bought it with a hard shell case at a pawn shop for like $175.00 back in the early 90’s. Surprise it was stolen. It exists now only in my memory. I have many guitars Gibson SG and Les Paul standard. Kerry king V, Jeff Hanneman ESP, Strat, Jackson dinky, to name a few but I still remember my black beauty Ibanez Saber. They stole the guitar out of the case. I still own that hard shell Ibanez case. It houses my ESP now. KAHNNNN 😮 Lol. Nobody to blame but myself.
Where do I go get my left-handed version