How Fast Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just a Voltorb?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2023
- Voltorb is a little misunderstood and I'm tired of pretending like it's an awful design.
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speed, violence, roundness
And sonic booms
Lots and lots of sonic boom
Dr. Voltorbspect.
I enjoyed your little fireside chat about mimics. I've never been bothered by Voltorb and Electrode's designs for the same reason. The woodgrain and chisel marks on the Hisuian versions in particular are some nice subtle details that most people seem to have missed.
Yea, they are also polar opposites of the Kanto ones. The Voltorb is more happy while the Electrode is angry which is the complete swap of the originals.
Will this run be shockingly fast or grounded from the start? Can't wait to see!
I'm seeing aswell
You beat me to it
I don't want to do spoilers but you'll see. More than happy to discuss later!
I've never thought Voltorb/Electrode had a bad design for the same reasons you laid out, mimics. I just thought they were boring designs only because, again like you said, they weren't used enough in the overworld in the games as possible encounters. They designed it to be a mimic-esque creature and then hardly utilized it.
For sure. At a bare minimum, I think looking at normal things like a snake, a seal, a rat, or multiple regular birds and thinking 'the mimic one should be fired on the spot' is the overall message of what's dumb. Best design? Nah. Worst design that should pander to the masses just to get some more views? Definitely not.
And then later in they make Pokémon that looks like classic mimics but are just creature inside a chest waiting to evolve into the best hazard clearer blockers.
That was an... oddly impassioned defense of Voltorb's design. But I agree that it's a pretty clever troll on the player. First it looks like an item on the overworld, then it attacks and uses its supreme speed to go first and immediately self-destruct lol.
I wouldn’t say too much passion, I don’t really care. I just see the pandering that goes on in the internet a lot. I just knew I wasn’t going to make the opening or theme of the video be ‘this Pokémon design sucks balls and whoever made it should die’, lmao.
Best line: “ Sonic boom” it has killed many a Rhyhorn today “. 😂😂😂
A more true statement has never been spoken lol.
I was at the store this time when you told me to grab myself a sodie pop. Still couldn’t get a soda, but you know I had to get something fizzy to watch this one.
Nice. I got some water personally, lmao.
Oct 7th 2022, I finally got to catch a live stream of yours. for only about 10 minutes. I shortly got a call that my mom was rushed to the hospital for a heart attack and drove back home on the spot. It was a tough few months for her, revealing heart disease and other health issues with a few surgeries, but she's finally pulling through.
anyways, sorry for getting personal. it def became an instant memory during that Starmie stream I can't ever forget, when that call came through
on a much lighter note here, it's great to have tons of videos to catch up on. the new UI changes look slick as hell, and super glad to see your channel's growing. it's not just your gameplay strats but your personality as well that really makes these runs so fun to watch. you def deserve the growth. much love
Appreciate that, brother. Glad you enjoy the videos and they take away the sting of a bad memory. My dad had triple bypass surgery in December and I had a couple of health problems that took a while to get past towards the end of the year so I get it! I'm just trying to have fun. I recognize that if you treat TH-cam like a job, especially when only like 0.001% of people ever make enough to live that pipe dream, that you'll just get burned out and disappointed so I treat it like my hobby. The video making process is part of it and I'm just trying to enjoy myself so it's cool to hear you enjoy them too!
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 shoot man, hope you and your pops are doing well after the surgery and all. feel like YT fame is an insane luck factor, close to winning the lottery lol. your hobby is definitely picking up heaps of fans. thanks for the kind words and take care
You too, brother. I like the small community. I feel like there’s a point where you can’t really interact with everyone and I’m not sure how that would feel lol.
I laughed so hard at the part about the fighting dojo haha. Adding The Rock in there was perfect!
Surprisingly you are the first person to mention it! I love that line and wanted to add it into a video for a while lol.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 That is surprising. Too funny lol. Keep up the good work!
Gonna mix in wrestling stuff here and there. Someone noticing just makes it worth it. Hell, I laugh when I rewatch it.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 I think that's a good idea lol. I'm sure I was watching smackdown and playing Pokemon at the same time at some point as a kid. Both are very nostalgic for me.
"Shuddup BeeYETCH!"
inclusion of enemy stats was fun to see, and the damage to the voltorb sprite cracked me up when I realised. Nice work on the overlay and content, keep it up!
Thanks! The sprite is decently new. I've been showing it on stream for a bit but it's ready for videos now but the enemy stats have been around a while. Glad you like it.
Love the sprite changing with damage, well done (and love the video too of course) !
Thanks! I love that I got that to work like I wanted it to.
#PokeballStrikesBack! Haha cant wait to see how this video turns out, I've always loved the voltorb line. Simple, yet great! Much like a lot of gen 1 pokemon. Anyways keep up the great work matt! ❤😁
PS love the sprites for damaged and fainted, and idk when you added it but seeing the enemies stats was pretty cool too. Overall really loving the layout, looks nice and colorful, easy on the eyes, and has like all the info you could need
Thanks. Yea, it's almost in it's final form. There are one or two things I can think to add but I'm not in a huge rush. I like where it's at and rather than working on the backend, whether it be custom ROMs or overlays, I'd rather just push out content. This one was fun though. Turned out much better than expected!
I like that you brought up Scott's Thoughts and Jrose as your examples because those are the only other solo run content creators I watch lol but I like your videos more, glad I found your channel ☺️
Ha, I don’t want to say same but I do TRY to keep up with other channels. Hidden Jim is ironically my hidden gem channel but he doesn’t upload too frequently. Outside of that it just seems like the other channels are missing something. I’m part of a discord and I’ll give an honest effort to give every video a shot but honestly sometimes they get so droll and boring I have to say ‘I can’t do it’ lmao.
Tbh, I try to be unbiased and watch my own video to review it and see if I feel the same. Sometimes I feel like I’m on the cusp and if I could cut down on a few parts, maybe it would be better but that’s the process!
Appreciate it!
I love mimics. When I encountered them in the power plant I immediately thought DnD mimics. Good job as always.
I can’t say I thought of them as a kid but these days I definitely do!
Can’t remember who, but I found you through another Pokémon challenges TH-camr who dropped your name. I really enjoyed listening to you go into Voltorbs design and mimics. Can’t wait to see how much you grow
Nice! My confession is that ever since Jrose and Scott did a month of content, I’ve been so burned out on watching other channels. By the time I was on the 60th video it was hard for me to watch and review my own content haha.
I’m curious to know who it was but appreciate the name drop regardless.
I loved the video, love your vibe, I like that you were pretty appreciative of Voltorb and you didn't just bash on it.
But I also think that there are a few broken TMs, like toxic, substitute and mimic above all, and for grading purposes imo it is fair to consider pokemon who need to rely on these TMs much weaker
Also, the smooth jazz at the end is lovely
Sometimes you have to look at how something is portrayed and take a deeper look. I don't think the design is that bad in all honesty and it just gets the same repeated flak on all corners of the internet. It's like folded on itself and it's just parroted too much.
I agree with toxic and substitute. Only the most desperate runs have to go to those lengths but Mimic is kind of a staple. Even some good runs utilize it. Maybe in Yellow version it's more broken because the moves are significantly better in the latter half of the game but I don't think I'd want to take points away for mimic. Maybe Toxic but I consider that a cheap strat anyway and have only used it once ever and it's on like one of my last ranked runs.
I love the idea of Voltorb being a mimic. And I think they're only in the power plant because that was the only place it made sense for wild Voltorb to live. But they really missed an opportunity with not leaving them as traps in places that made sense: Rocket Hideout, Fuschia Gym, hell, maybe even Silph, Vermillion Gym (because electric), and Mt Moon (because of course Team Rocket would set traps when they realize someone is attacking all of them)
It would also make randomizers fun!
8:11 -- whoa, instant Dub, BROTHER
Lmao, half asleep, 'up then a' was my process and I forgot I learned a fourth move. Whoops lol. On a side note, I think the real time runs are insane sometimes. They take too much caution and add in too much of the user's errors in the final time. Whenever I play gen 2 runs, I have to go by that but I'm always like 'why don't I just play at x4 speed with the same rules' lol.
Nice one! I liked the mimic talk :D
This dude has been dogged enough. Every time you see a forum post talking about subpar designs, people are quick to bring this one up.
I actually like Voltorb and Electrode. Imagine if they were actually scattered throughout the over world and would self-destruct on your party members at the worst possible time. That would have been awesome.
Agreed. I think the problem is how little they utilize it. Even in Gen 2 you only have the Rocket Hideout Electrodes as well. I think at the end of a dungeon or something it would be a little surprise and make you think twice.
Love this one. 100% You giving this one the benefit of the doubt and standing up for this little guy is why you're my favorite poketuber.
They all have their own flavor (even if it's ear wax flavored) and deserve a shot. Lol.
I give everything a fair shake. I feel like some of the people just 'mimic' other's opinions on this and never really thought about it and just say it's bad.
@Gym Leader Matt True. I just loved playing with different teams as a kid and the voltorb and electrode line was one that surprised me and I ended up loving.
Long story to say that I definitely appreciate you giving every mon their "fair shake" lol
A lot of the point of doing the runs with all the original Pokemon is to find some hidden ones that I never used or thought low of and see if they can surprise me, whether the design is good or not I just try to keep an open mind.
Lovin those beat up and disgruntled Voltorb faces on the left 😁 He sure had a rough ride this time around. Keep up that good work there Matt!
Ha, I thought he had a good time! Pretty solid run from something I expected nothing from!
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 That's fair! Not the best time in the world, but certainly solid for what I expected of a Voltorb too. Made the most of a sparse moveset for sure
Light Screen/Reflect strats for sure.
thank god for a voltorb run. this boi is so underrated. PUT SOME RESPECT ON VOLTORB'S NAME
gamefreak was so real for giving them a regional variant in legends arceus
Ha, I don’t think anyone has ever put respect on its name. Everyone drags it through the mud and panders to the crowd about the design being bad. Uncultured swines, I say.
The infographics, especially the ones for the moves like the one for Sonicboom, look so good. They look super retro, like something you'd see in a Pokemon strategy guide or a magazine back when Pokemon Red was new
Nice. I remember those guides well. I got the idea from WolfyVGC but adapted them a little to fit my style. A lot of information is just ripped from bulbapedia but in a clean way with html editing. I’ve been putting extra effort into the presentation so I’m glad to hear some positive feedback!
Some really good strategies, great run!
Yea it was fun to utilize what you have in a limited situation to have a solid run. It was satisfying.
Gotta love that southern draw 😂 good video matt!
Thanks! Appreciate it.
This is just one of those pokémon that remind us that the games were originally designed to be single-player experiences (Nintendo was smart to pressure Game Freak into including multiplayer.) Surprising players and moving first to go boom are basically what the Voltorb line does best. At least Electrode has a competitive niche inflicting paralysis better than anything else.
For sure. I think Electrode will be quite good when it’s said and done.
the fact that voltorb gets take down but not double edge is indeed asinine like you said lol. woulda helped. i also think voltorb gets too much shit for its design, its like a mimic. fun video man
I've got some many unironic comments about it not learning double edge because it doesn't have edges. They have no clue that double edged sword is just a saying.
20:30 there is also electron side where voltorb looks angry because he is a negative charge where electrode is flipped and looks happy because it is a positive charge
They flip it for the Hisuian forms as well to add even more little detail to these dudes.
Yeah honestly, I think voltorb and electrode designs might actually have the most layers and thought put into them.
Loved the "having a ball" wordplay gag at the start :D
There was no other way to put it, haha.
Thanks for addressing the point of voltorb being a mimic. Idk how this isnt understood especially when you go into the power plant and think youre picking up an item, just to be greeted with a ‘bzzz bzzz’
Yea, it's placement could have been better but with pokemon like Seel and Ratatta around, it's hard to say this is just a god awful design.
Quality content as always bud!
Thanks! Appreciate the support!
The 8-bit sprite animations are adorable. It feels like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest :)
Just call it Mattic Quest.
I totally agree with your comment about the mimic design. As a DND player myself, I do really appreciate that concept, too.
Yea, it could have been used more and that’s the flaw but the design is solid. I’m playing dnd this weekend, maybe there won’t be any mimics lol.
Voltorb is a cool Pokemon, not my favorite but very cool Pokemon. Cool design. It was also a fun choice for Pokemon in the Stadium mini-game Electric Dynamo.
I agree for every word except when you said cool design but it's okay because everyone has different opinions.
Don't forget about Voltorb flip! But sure, fire the man and take his job away for designing it lol.
Brought to you by LIGHT SCREEN" 😅😅say no more 😂
I am "very offended" by the choice to not include channel members at video's end! 😂. JK man - your reasoning makes sense, and I just had to say something - with everyone just wanting to whine about something now days.
This was one of my favorite runs so far - much to my surprise. It was so interesting, and Voltorb exceeded my expectations. The best part was the Light Screen + Reflect tactics though. I haven't seen anyone else do that, and I used to roll with that strategy back in the day - especially with weaker Pokémon in Stadium.
Lastly, I found this out watching your Clefairy stream, but Roll Tide Brother 🐘🐘🐘!
Ha, I'm getting married, taking a long vacation + other stuff this summer, and I'm going back to school for another degree in August! I'm determined to get ahead and with the fluctuation of members dropping or joining it would just be too disconnected from the current time I feel. That's the real reasoning but I always appreciate the support! Only like 10~% even make it that far sadly but glad you did!
Yea, I was surprised by this one. I expected a slog. Like an Exeggcute level run with few redeeming qualities and it makes me think that Electrode could do very well considering it has a minimum battle Brock split and doesn't have to waste as much time. This one felt like a very satisfying puzzle to put together for sure and that's my favorite types of runs where I hit a wall in practice and I'm like 'double reflect, use light screen here and there' and just rely on that steady Sonic Boom damage for the problematic rock/ground types.
Haha, Roll Tide!
love the sprites when Voltorb is injured or fainted :D
For sure. I'm very proud to have that working in the live overlay. Takes a little extra work as I have to make custom sprites three times per run but it'll add a lot to videos.
Finally someone who gets the point of Voltorb's design! He's a spin on rpg mimics, so looking like the in-universe item chest is the entire point (you know it would be evil if someone made a heal spot mimic instead of just an item one). On top of that, his stats and moves are built to capitalize on surprise. He's fast, so he's hard to escape from and crits a bunch, and he gets self-destruct to make him a big threat. Granted, he sucks in battle and I never actually like using them. The Magnemite line are much better.
I think those two lines will be similar. They have near identical learnsets.
Great vid, love voltorb
Appreciate that, brother. It's alright. I always gain a little respect when I do the runs for mons I haven't used a ton.
Man! If you ever do another Voltorb run you should name it Guile, in honor of needing to rely on Sonicboom so much lol really digging the content man! 🙂🤙
I don’t think I’ll ever redo it but maybe Electrode lol.
I was in a similar situation where I never really like voltorb and electrode until I realized they were mimics. They've since had a place of honor in my "gimmick mon" playthroughs for being the gimmick thaat nobody remembers :)
These days you have to accept that these games are older than a lot of the fanbase lol. It's just a whataboutism these days where people point to it to defend newer designs that aren't great.
Imagine seeing an electrified ball digging underground and attacking afterwards :)
Or using psychic lol.
I really liked the voltorb line as a kid still do... From the anime
I like the spright when you take damage it's pretty cool 😂
Especially the feint is a bit goofy but I like that about it
Yea! It's finally ready for videos. I've been stream testing it for a while.
>tries to dig in a lift
are you MAD!?
Ha, you can destroy the Pokemon Fan Club, Bill's House, Cinnabar Mansion, Silph Co., and Saffron's Gym but a life??! What was I thinking.
I have to say, Voltorb performed better than I expected. I'm pleasantly surprised.
For sure. If it had any sort of coverage it would be pretty decent but you can probably say that about everything. I get 'what if Raichu had surf' comments all the time. Like duh, if you completely cover it's one weakness of course it's going to be better.
I like Voltorb, It's probably the easiest pokémon to draw at a base level so even the least artistic child could still draw a pocket monster while looking deeper Voltorb's shape also taught things such as how shadows and lighting are represented on spherical objects, ''It's just a pokéball with eyes, how uncreative'' I hear so often but like... Pokéballs took creativity and as you said, it's got the mimic angle, granted I do have the question how realistic it is for a trainer to mistake a 50cm tall pokémon for a baseball sized object but they serve a game mechanic all the same.
Only think I could dunk on this ball for is its movepool, but that's hardly an uncommon Gen 1 issue, body slam should have been learnable at least.
Yea it gets shafted in movepool but it doesn't even have the worst lol. Tangela probably takes the cake there.
Oh snap! I love that the pokemon sprite art has the healthy, hurt and knocked out images change now!
It's been on stream for a while but it just took a minute to get it into a video. I think it's here to stay!
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 There is just one addition I think I would want to make to it.
Poison, Paralysis, Frozen, Burned status art and backend code.
Like a new sprite? I think I'll pass on doing 4 additional sprites but I have thought of adding a box with a status but I'm just focused on getting the content out. If I have any free time, I'm looking into the game code to see if I can find creative ways to implement new move combinations and effects these days.
Hey matt i haven't been notifications i thought you were on vacation ready to watch a charged poke ball attack a rock snake
Ha, nah. I haven't stopped the weekly releases since late 2021! These days if I want time off I'll just grind extra videos out and not miss a beat!
Love this!!
Voltorb is great and is also based on the yokai legend of tools and objects coming to life after their 100th birthday.
Nice. I always like learning new things and facts!
Oh gosh, the sprites for voltorb being f!@#ed-up are hilarious. XD
Yo. My Tombstoner brother plays table top? Cool beans! Mimics are a really iconic and satisfying ambush monster. I never thought of voltorb in that light. Excellent point.
For sure. I play tons of other stuff outside of Pokemon. It's the advantage of just doing something like this for a hobby but making time for other things lol. I swear some people have only played Pokemon games and barely dabbled in anything else ever. It's a good couple of months of gaming though. RE4 remake and the new Zelda will be amazing.
I think this run is going to be a long one even for not fully evolved pokemon. When you can't use Thunderbolt, Voltorb's power tanks. It has to use it's weaker attacking stat with no STAB. Ground types and even more so Rock/Ground types like Rhydon and Onix are going to be struggles. This might be one of the few times where Bruno poses a little bit of a challenge just because he has 2 Onix.
Edit: Oh right. Mimic. Forgot about that.
Yea, close on some stuff but Bruno is always Bruno, lol.
@GymLeaderMatt1987 Yeah, I gave Bruno too much credit.
Wow Voltorb wasn't too shabby. I expected worse to be honest. Bravo Voltorb Bravo!
Yea I expected 5ish maybe 5 1/2 at best but really got this one down. Makes me wonder about other Pokemon. Tbh, I'm just glad people are enjoying a regular run. I always get anxious that people will only want the much more time intensive cross gen stuff.
dont forget foongus is also a mimic-type pokemon (it was basically the gen 5 replacement of voltorb)
I’m sure there are many more but for the sake of brevity I just named a few lol.
A nice touch to Voltorb and Electrode,is the reason ones mad and ones happy. Is that it's based of negative and positive charges. It's the little things that go unnoticed
That is a nice little change. I believe it's reversed for the hisuian version.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 that it is Voltorb becomes positive, and Electrode negative. Which is fun
I like it! I can't say it's my favorite design or Pokemon, but it's definitely not some 'fire the person who made it' or 'make fun of it as the concept for a video' Pokemon unless you don't know a whole lot, imo.
Nice to see light screen getting some light screen time
It's a very rare move and probably even more rare you'd need it so bad.
nicely done, tiny mimic
Not god awful but serviceable which is surprising. Not too bad but still F tier.
Well stated point on the design, and great run
Thanks! I don't think it's the best design in the world but it makes a lot of sense and I guess I wanted to say my piece because it felt like a lot of people that only play Pokemon don't get it lol.
Damn man I saw voltorb and thought, well that's gonna suck. It's not even like you get the gen 2 learnset with rollout. Though thunderbolt certainly helped.
I wouldn't say it sucked. I had a pretty respectable run all things considered.
Statwise, Voltorb and Electrode are kinda interesting-they have insane Speed but average/below average Special Attack and... every other stat. I know we already have Hisuian Voltorb and Electrode, but it would be cool to see an Electric/Normal regional Electrode with higher Attack to really make the best use of Explosion trolling 😝
On a different note, I wonder how much better a Voltorb Gen 1 run would be if it got Sonic Boom earlier (say, in its starting learnset or somewhere between level 6-10). You might be able to beat Brock at a lower level, but on the other hand you might still just have to grind a lot anyway between then and the time you get Thunderbolt.
I think it could shave off like 1:30~ at least. Remember that I didn't grind after Brock and pre-Brock grinding is so slow and inefficient. Sonic Boom can just carry you to thunderbolt since it's flat damage so Electrode might have a better time but I haven't really looked at it and don't have plans for it for a while.
14:04 My guess is that voltorb will need to be level 80 or higher to win
I'm out of sody pop so i had a beer during this
Actually wasn't that bad!
I like your opinion on Voltorb, I never thought of it as a mimic. Also, which is your favorite Dark Souls? Of course its Dark Souls 2, cause Majula. Theme is lit.
Yea, Majula theme is a classic. I like them all a lot. As far as Dark Souls go, I might have to go with 3. It kind of combines the best of other games with a more modern improvement. The second game didn't have Miyazaki so it's a little clunky at times but it had some good ideas and the DLCs elevate it to be a solid game. I just like feel of the third as a true successor to DS1.
Other than losing to something like Rattata and Pidgey losing to a Voltorb is pretty bad especially for Bruno
Yea, he needs a break next week for sure.
One time in DND we encountered a mimic that was a door. That was fun
Yea, from that point on you always check lmao.
What were the damage ranges for screech+tackle? I feel like in some situations it might have been a little better because of the extra 5% accuracy.
Bad. You still have like -25 base attack and it just never does well. You bring up accuracy but you'd need to set up with a move with less accuracy first and use multiple moves just to come close to what Sonic Boom could do. Even if it was a simple screech + tackle, you'd have to be outdamaging 40 flat damage and it just never happened.
The answer is they were bad and using it's attack stat would only hinder the run.
The ball pokemon with a lot going on... not really but we're here for it anyway
It has a pretty unique run. I like it when limited things make use of what they got to have a surprising run.
I appreciate voltorb and electrode more from your mimic explanation.
Yea, it would be cool if they were utilized more but overall I don't fault the design for that.
Gotta say, i do love EV training and stat exp too, my man
Same. I get some comments telling me that no one cares about optimizations and they just want to see bad Pokemon fail. I think those people are losers with no clue.
I want to believe
That voltorb will have
A good time for a pre evolved Pokémon
Only one way to find out!
Voltorb might struggle a little bit on Giovanni, or maybe even Bruno, BROTHER!
Tombstoner b(burp)rother
Rhyhorn steps up to the plate this week.
I know you probably get this question a lot, but how did you get RBY to look like that with the more detailed GSC-esque color palette?
Please tell us
You can just google 'pokemon red color patch' to get that!
Giovanni be like this fight is brought to you by guard spec. Btw. Thank you guard spec for helping me with my career.
Guard Spec saving runs for over 25 years.
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This reminds me of Scott doing Gligar on Crystal. Its just criminal that Voltorb line doesnt get level up electric moves while it has so bad physical attack stat. No level up stab moves at all!
I've been looking into Gligar myself. It's got not only a very strange level up learnset but it's TM learnset is baffling as well but I need to do it if we ever want to see a Gliscor Red/Blue run! I'm not sure when I'll get to it but I've been on a Gliscor kick in PoGo PvP.
Blackout training against the rocket grunt at the end of nugget bridge is a win two fold. You can get the xp and a nugget each time .
I've never felt the need for that. Brock is generally the problem, not things after Nugget bridge. At that point, you could just be progressing all the way past the SS Anne and it would just be slow. What are you going to do? Get an extra vitamin?
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 I suppose I’ve just used it primarily as a source of early game money. It doesn’t excel at money or xp, but it does both decently.
True but the main goal here is how fast can this Pokemon beat the game and how high up can it put it on the tier list. Blacking out, walking from Cerulean to the top of the bridge, rinsing, and repeating on an Ekans and Zubat is definitely not something that helps accomplish that goal lol.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 Oh for sure, I know the goal is to get through as fast as possible. Just wanted to provide some extra info on the chance it ever ends up being helpful is all. I’ll admit, I basically do the opposite of speed runs lol.
@@kylesavage6319 Yea the routing process being clean is my most enjoyable aspect of doing the runs.
id love to see buneary in gen 1, with mega punch/kick i bet it would be pretty good!
At the end of the day I don’t think a route 1 rodent that’s pre-evolved could compete against the best of the best. Remember Mega Punch is only used if you need it bad because the accuracy and I’ve never even used mega kick in a playthrough. You’ll see a bunny eventually, it just won’t be that one.
Small ball of destruction
I like the Pokemon now after spending some time with it and being overly analytical on what it means as a design lol.
You make a fair case for Voltorb's design and I definitely appreciate its design a lot more now. But I disagree with the Sudowoodo argument. That can't really be considered a double standard because even though the design was inspired by trees, it very distinctly doesn't look like a tree. If it was nothing but a tree with a face on it, then you'd have a point because Voltorb is essentially just a pokeball with a face. But Sudowoodo's design has more to it than simply being a tree with a face.
I agree that Voltorb is more basic but the double standard is completely shitting on the Pokemon for being the worst design ever conceived by mankind but then saying 'Sudowoodo is cool!'. It's more modern but I guess the actual tangible design isn't the point, it's what it portrays.
20:02 game hack idea
Pokemon voltorb edition where theres a bunch of extra "items" and all the items locations have been randomized because there are now overleveled voltorbs vs the other pokemon in the area...... like you're in viridian forest and there's a level 10 voltorb just sitting there waiting to ruin your day
Sounds like a great idea for a randomizer and for someone else with more time to do one day lol. Randomize the Power Plant Electrodes.
Im surprised you didnt mention gimmighoul as an example of a mimic design.. did you not play the new gen?
There are several I didn’t name for the sake of brevity. I’m not going to spend a minute naming every single Pokémon designed to look like something else, lol. A few examples does the trick!
Love the damaged sprites
They're here to stay!
Agatha went x games mode there
Sometimes the computer just says 'nah, I'm winning'.
For the mimic topic, while younger me made fun of the concept, I do understand it but feel as if the Gen 5 and 8 mimics are better.
Mimic is a mimic is a mimic.
I think a good name for Voltorb is Boomer because of how much wild Voltorb explode along with Electrode.
Maybe Boom. I feel like calling someone a boomer has 2020, Among Us vibes lmao.
Shout out to Kendall C. Hope you're channel continues to grow GLM
I feel like my comment didn't go through but it's been pretty steady recently and I feel like I'm getting it all down with some good content. Many more good videos to go!
It is very embarrassing to say this, but I didn’t realize this. Pokémon is a play on the words volt and orb.
Haha, some things you gotta keep to yourself and just act like you knew! Lmao.
When you spend your childhood playing Dragon Quest and Estpolis Denki (or basically the entire Lufia series), you get to quickly learn what Mimics are. If you come unprepared against these in either series, you're getting the shit kicked out of you balls to the wall. Dead serious, it's not uncommon to get your first party wipe to them. Furthermore, I've seen many a Lufia 2 Ancient Cave speedrun end because of these menaces. Because of that, the idea of Voltorb and Electrode... do not really bother me.
Yea, you'd think more people would know but there's a surprising amount of people that just has never played other games outside of minor dabbling.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 Yeah, it's unfair to knock on Voltorb and Electrode's design when other games are doing the exact same thing. Either people haven't played any other RPG game other than Pokemon, or they are incredibly tunnel-visioned.
Design-wise, it's not the best obviously, but I can get by it. If I had to pick between the two ball pokemon, definitely Electrode. Dude's smiling all the time. It looks like it's having the time of its life.
I think they just haven't ever done anything outside of play Pokemon. I'm not going to say that's sad but they are missing out on a ton of good things. Yea, Electrode is the polar opposite of mad electrode and when you get to the Hisuian forms, it's reversed. Voltorb is happy while Electrode is angry. It's a subtle little detail you don't see mentioned when people are busy writing a script to pander to the popular Voltorb/Electrode opinions.
I think voltorb is going to do pretty good I’m thinking ending move set
1 thunderbolt
2 mimic
3 rest
4 swift
At least half right. I don't use rest that often. It's a move that's good on a first playthrough if you put any stock into just not resetting a lot but it's just something that stalls out the match 99% of the time. If you are optimizing, it rarely has a place in the movepool unless it's a particularly limited Pokemon.
I guess I never looked at Voltorb's base stats. Not surprised at the results after the fact, but still an interesting move set / cool approach on your end optimizing the run!
Thanks! Yea, they are pretty abysmal. It did do better than I thought though.
I don’t think it will be too bad once it’s gets thunderbolt. Probably only struggle with the Bruno
Ha, no one struggles at Bruno. By that point, you've grinded all the levels you need to beat the game in an optimized run and he's fodder. What's he going to do? Destroy you with no ground moves and his 45 base attack Onixs? Early ground/rock types and the Giovanni fights are where the difficulty lie, imo.
im 16 minutes in and just realized this is gen1 with color, is this a mod/romhack??? sorry if i missed the info in the vid
Nah, I use it a good bit. It's just a patch. You can find it with gen 2 sprites as well if you just google 'pokemon red color patch'. It's a little more complicated for my cross gen runs since I actually make those but these, that's all you have to do.
I’m picturing you as the trainer from the anima with the Sandshrew.
Nice. Great trainer, does whatever it takes, 100-0 record.
To be clear: NOT meant as a put-down. Was just amusing to imagine it that way.
Ha, I know. If it was a put down, I've experienced FAR worse on here lmao.
Voltorb's (and Electrode's) design is basic and kinda lazy, but it isn't a *bad* design, nor is it ugly (unlike some later pokemon designs like stunfisk...). The mimic aspect is also a decent one, and there are other later pokemon that have a similar theme going on like the foongus line. Probably a big part of why many people dislike Voltorb/Electrode is the basic design as well as them being somewhat rare to actually get a chance to catch (aside from the mimic spawns) rather than have to face like with enemy trainers, and since it learns self destruct so early and early gen AI has no hesitation in using the move, it leaving a lasting negative impression of being annoying, same for mid-late game geodudes+gravelers that go boom. For many people that do use one, they find it's fast and...that's about it. It can be a good support pokemon with it's raw speed to do stuff like setting screens, but offensively and defensively it doesn't have much going for it.
For the run-no surprise it was a rough brock split until getting sonic boom, and then afterwards it isn't too bad after getting past surge to get thunderbolt, except for random trainers and bosses with ground types that can bring voltorb to a screeching halt. At least unlike magnemite voltorb is fast and able to outspeed most enemy pokemon, making taking hits from weaker pokemon less likely if it can OHKO, or just kill a turn earlier to prevent the enemy pokemon from using one last move to damage it like slow pokemon often have to deal with
For sure. That’s why I said the onis was on the developers to implement it a little early and make it more of a mechanic than throw it into an area you don’t even have to go to. I also resent the Stunfisk comment! I think they aren’t ugly at all haha. I am partial to them though but I also like Diggersby as well.
Why didn’t you use the Drake and Josh meme “it’s spherical” that would’ve been hilarious
S p h e r e
That would have been good! Tbh, I'm a little older and didn't really watch the show so it wasn't in my mind.
Now that you bring up a mimic, I think the voltorb design works better
Yea, I like the design. It's good but not the best but definitely not worthy of being fired immediately on the spot lol. That's just kind of crazy.
Ballin'!
3 pointers all day.
Oh boy oh boy, I see 100+ speed and only think of critical hit selfdestructs. Selfdestructs on your brain when trying to accommodate these stats of course lol
Lmao, even the high base damage wouldn’t be good with that attack stat.
Or the fact they could've based poke balls on voltorb, but yeah, not my favorite design, but I don't hate it.
Yea, that's the point. It's not groundbreaking but it's not the worst. No need to goof and gaff on it for being so bad I guess.
I really thought this would have been the worst looking at its move pool
It's close. Tangela takes it for me personally.