That's a good point about spoilers towards the end. My wife and I don't watch trailers for a movie that we already know that we want to see. It's not about getting spoiled, but rather that we want to experience the art in the way the filmmakers intended. We want the first time we see a clip from scene 15 to be within the full context of scene 15 and with the full set up of scenes 1-14 before it. It doesn't matter if those trailers might be playing in a Dolby/IMAX theatre; we want to experience the film the way the artists intended, not the way a marketing department intended.
as a writer this has been so hard to internalize, and i've gotten better over the years, but the urge to "explain" what i meant is so hard to keep in check whenever i get opinions on what other people thought of my work or when they ask me what i intended and i have to stop myself and go "no, your take is not more valid, and it matters more what the art is than what you wanted it to be". but The Urge to blab for hours on end is very real. but not saying my intentions often ends up with the engaging with it more in their way and creating their own art with it, and that's much more important than whatever i wanted it to do. thank you for this
This reminds me of the conversation Joel Haver just put out with Michael Sarnoski where Joel declines to give an update on his next feature, choosing to just drop it without any build up
Feels like this is the easiest trap in the world to fall into but you're so right! And it's interesting how if something involves faith, it tends to be compounded. Love your work man!
This is really interesting! When I was watching this I was thinking about how David Lynch never talks about the meaning of his movies because he doesn’t want his interpretation to be more correct than whatever people interpret it as, and then you brought that up! I like that you upload whenever you have something to say and without any prior announcement, it’s always a nice surprise!
This one's tough for me. I always want to over-explain my music to people. I pretend that sharing details that I consider to be "impressive" will make people like the songs more. On my member platform, I've been recording commentaries about my newest songs, and I can EASILY talk for over an hour+ straight about each song. In the past, when reading critic reviews of my albums, I've had to hold myself back from "correcting" the critics when I see them misinterpreting my songs or taking lyrics out of context. Anywho, thanks for another encouraging challenge, Hous-hous!
Beautiful video that really resonates with me. So interesting to hear about a new movie adaptation for The Greatest Christmas Pageant Ever. The first movie I saw based on it was the one made in 1983, which was just so charming.
Mystery has largely been lost, not only in the world of art but in the world in general. I remember watching A Fistful of Dollars with my wife, who'd never seen it before. I'd seen it a hundred times. She asked why Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name was doing the things he did in the movie. I realized I didn't have an explanation. He just does the things he does. The movie certainly doesn't explain it. I learned around the same time that the American TV edit added a scene before the beginning of the film that explained why Eastwood's character was doing what he was doing in San Miguel, and it made the character and the movie so much less interesting. It's far more joyful and enjoyable to have a character simply do what he does without the movie trying to explain it all away. The mystery keeps me coming back to the movie.
The Incredibles 2 is guilty of this. Seeing and hearing Samuel Jackson talk about being Frozone immediately broke the immersion before the film even began.
I do empathize with the compulsion to almost pathologically justify the existence of one's expression, particularly considering the late-capitalist commodification of artistic pursuit as 'content' that must be sold to an audience, facilitating the cultural dismissal of creative exploits. This present advent of empty consumerism itself coalesces alongside the intrinsic terror of attempting to convey one's innermost self through entertainment created for others to interpret, functionally exacerbating the whole affair, such that the veritably existential anxiety modern artists experience proves wholly logical. Thus, exemplifying a work's meaning via obsessive explanation is, I feel, a means by which to assure oneself of its importance, that the work you craft and cherish is not merely another transient, disposable diversion, alongside ensuring an audience understands the ofttimes deeply-rooted ideas and sentiments a creative effort attempts to convey. All that being said, I believe the perpetuation of artistic pursuit to be one of humanity's foremost duties, which begins with the acknowledgement that it is itself intrinsically valuable, possessed of innate beauty. Although having one's expression perceived is indeed terrifying, art's worth is largely - if not predominantly - symptomatic of its ever-evolving nature, the metamorphosis of its meaning and subsequent impact throughout disperate interpretations of its ideas. That diversity of thought serves as the foundational bedrock of empathy, progress, and ultimately the construction of meaning itself, and I personally can imagine no greater worth than that.
I hate when movies put those sorts of "Thanks for coming to the movie, please like it!" messages in front of it. I don't want anyone's opinion of it, I don't want to be told how to feel about it or to be "welcomed" into their art essentially. I want to appreciate it by itself without anything changing how I'm influenced (except by the art itself). However, there are a few times where I do enjoy being "in the know" about the project. The current one is Epic the Musical by Jorge (Jay) Rivera-Herrans. He is creating an Odyssey inspired musical, releasing one saga at a time and there's one to go. Throughout this whole process, he's included his fans by basically a group project. He opened auditions to anyone, which then only created more hype for his project. It became a "this is *ours*" sort of mentality which isn't exactly something I've seen a form of art or media take before. No, they don't get to collaborate unless chosen for a role, but the fanbase is very involved and show up to livestreams and make art related to Epic. It also might be a persona thing. He's incredibly well spoken, excited, and seems like a genuine person passionate about his art. He isn't begging us to like it and I think people sense that he's just making art because he loves it and it happens to be incredibly good. So each time he releases a saga, it's gotten more and more hits as his fanbase grows. We want the updates because we care about how in depth he gets with his music. Plus some of them are just him being funny and have nothing to do with Epic. I don't think I'd want that approach by most other things I love. I want to enjoy the finished product without spoilers, so it's fascinating that for some reason it works for this musical and artist.
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ok but i do love when it when i see a movie and the director has that little “thanks for coming to the movies” video before
this channel arc is crazy good
Ben!! You’re back!
That's a good point about spoilers towards the end.
My wife and I don't watch trailers for a movie that we already know that we want to see. It's not about getting spoiled, but rather that we want to experience the art in the way the filmmakers intended.
We want the first time we see a clip from scene 15 to be within the full context of scene 15 and with the full set up of scenes 1-14 before it. It doesn't matter if those trailers might be playing in a Dolby/IMAX theatre; we want to experience the film the way the artists intended, not the way a marketing department intended.
as a writer this has been so hard to internalize, and i've gotten better over the years, but the urge to "explain" what i meant is so hard to keep in check whenever i get opinions on what other people thought of my work or when they ask me what i intended and i have to stop myself and go "no, your take is not more valid, and it matters more what the art is than what you wanted it to be". but The Urge to blab for hours on end is very real. but not saying my intentions often ends up with the engaging with it more in their way and creating their own art with it, and that's much more important than whatever i wanted it to do. thank you for this
This reminds me of the conversation Joel Haver just put out with Michael Sarnoski where Joel declines to give an update on his next feature, choosing to just drop it without any build up
Feels like this is the easiest trap in the world to fall into but you're so right! And it's interesting how if something involves faith, it tends to be compounded.
Love your work man!
This is really interesting! When I was watching this I was thinking about how David Lynch never talks about the meaning of his movies because he doesn’t want his interpretation to be more correct than whatever people interpret it as, and then you brought that up! I like that you upload whenever you have something to say and without any prior announcement, it’s always a nice surprise!
This one's tough for me. I always want to over-explain my music to people. I pretend that sharing details that I consider to be "impressive" will make people like the songs more. On my member platform, I've been recording commentaries about my newest songs, and I can EASILY talk for over an hour+ straight about each song. In the past, when reading critic reviews of my albums, I've had to hold myself back from "correcting" the critics when I see them misinterpreting my songs or taking lyrics out of context. Anywho, thanks for another encouraging challenge, Hous-hous!
Beautiful video that really resonates with me. So interesting to hear about a new movie adaptation for The Greatest Christmas Pageant Ever. The first movie I saw based on it was the one made in 1983, which was just so charming.
Mystery has largely been lost, not only in the world of art but in the world in general. I remember watching A Fistful of Dollars with my wife, who'd never seen it before. I'd seen it a hundred times. She asked why Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name was doing the things he did in the movie. I realized I didn't have an explanation. He just does the things he does. The movie certainly doesn't explain it. I learned around the same time that the American TV edit added a scene before the beginning of the film that explained why Eastwood's character was doing what he was doing in San Miguel, and it made the character and the movie so much less interesting. It's far more joyful and enjoyable to have a character simply do what he does without the movie trying to explain it all away. The mystery keeps me coming back to the movie.
The Incredibles 2 is guilty of this. Seeing and hearing Samuel Jackson talk about being Frozone immediately broke the immersion before the film even began.
Oh my god. You're so pretty. The long hair is a vibe
I do empathize with the compulsion to almost pathologically justify the existence of one's expression, particularly considering the late-capitalist commodification of artistic pursuit as 'content' that must be sold to an audience, facilitating the cultural dismissal of creative exploits. This present advent of empty consumerism itself coalesces alongside the intrinsic terror of attempting to convey one's innermost self through entertainment created for others to interpret, functionally exacerbating the whole affair, such that the veritably existential anxiety modern artists experience proves wholly logical. Thus, exemplifying a work's meaning via obsessive explanation is, I feel, a means by which to assure oneself of its importance, that the work you craft and cherish is not merely another transient, disposable diversion, alongside ensuring an audience understands the ofttimes deeply-rooted ideas and sentiments a creative effort attempts to convey.
All that being said, I believe the perpetuation of artistic pursuit to be one of humanity's foremost duties, which begins with the acknowledgement that it is itself intrinsically valuable, possessed of innate beauty. Although having one's expression perceived is indeed terrifying, art's worth is largely - if not predominantly - symptomatic of its ever-evolving nature, the metamorphosis of its meaning and subsequent impact throughout disperate interpretations of its ideas. That diversity of thought serves as the foundational bedrock of empathy, progress, and ultimately the construction of meaning itself, and I personally can imagine no greater worth than that.
What a beautiful comment!
i’m so here
I hate when movies put those sorts of "Thanks for coming to the movie, please like it!" messages in front of it. I don't want anyone's opinion of it, I don't want to be told how to feel about it or to be "welcomed" into their art essentially. I want to appreciate it by itself without anything changing how I'm influenced (except by the art itself).
However, there are a few times where I do enjoy being "in the know" about the project. The current one is Epic the Musical by Jorge (Jay) Rivera-Herrans. He is creating an Odyssey inspired musical, releasing one saga at a time and there's one to go. Throughout this whole process, he's included his fans by basically a group project. He opened auditions to anyone, which then only created more hype for his project. It became a "this is *ours*" sort of mentality which isn't exactly something I've seen a form of art or media take before. No, they don't get to collaborate unless chosen for a role, but the fanbase is very involved and show up to livestreams and make art related to Epic.
It also might be a persona thing. He's incredibly well spoken, excited, and seems like a genuine person passionate about his art. He isn't begging us to like it and I think people sense that he's just making art because he loves it and it happens to be incredibly good. So each time he releases a saga, it's gotten more and more hits as his fanbase grows. We want the updates because we care about how in depth he gets with his music. Plus some of them are just him being funny and have nothing to do with Epic.
I don't think I'd want that approach by most other things I love. I want to enjoy the finished product without spoilers, so it's fascinating that for some reason it works for this musical and artist.