You need to do a stretch goal where you take on the question of 'How archer proof are battleships?'. Just wandering the docks, shooting a longbow at a few ships. For science.
Maybe you can run a fundraiser for a Yamato armor belt section. Then ask the USN to barrow the New Jersey and her 16 inch guns for some penetration test. ;-)
I am a US Army Veteran that once was an assistant teacher for teaching military history. Although my budget cannot afford to fully support this, you definitely earned twenty-five Pounds from me.
for this upcoming film/test you should look into getting a ballistics dummy, because won;t the armor react differently with something inside it keeping all the components where they need to naturally rest?
With the meniion of Toby being a jouster, I'm wondering if they could use a variation on the jousting targets that they use for training, the ones that can move/be dynamic when hit? Might be a cheaper/more cost effective way thatn getting a custo made dummy.
@@tods_workshop LIke Above I just rewatched Part 1 this Friday to share it with my friends...and I lamented we hadn't gotten Part 2 yet. I'm so Stoked for this.
Thanks and it is personally flattering, but in reality this first film was a massive effort by us all and I wanted a follow up so assumed others would too
I think Tod may have underestimated how many people have been craving for more of this brilliantly thought out and produced film! I didn’t even need to watch till the end of the video it was an instant YES! From me.
it is a day afted this video was posted. I went to visit the kickstarted page and the project got even slightly more funding than is need! this is a thank you for all the people who donated. thanks for making videos like this one mentioned possible. next time if an idea like this comes up with funding needed I will join you for sure! I wish you all a great day, folks.
It’s also because this type of helmet has been optimized as much as it could to glance away things like swords and arrows for the time compared to earlier helmets that came before it.
This is going to be an incredible series. I’m thrilled to see that only fourteen hours after the posting of this video that the kickstarter is essentially funded
Absolutely agree with you. Lindy just recently mentioned the kinetic energy transported in one of those arrows ... even if it doesn't penetrate the armor I still wouldn't want someone to whack me in the throat hard!
Not to mention that equipment could very well survive to see future videos. It would be neat to see how much of a difference there is between flexible weapons and fixed weapons.
@@HungrigerHugo89 To be fair, I just rewatched the original video, and the arrows at 10m had less kinetic energy than a .22 LR round. No doubt it wouldn't be nice to be hit by one, but I imagine once you take the padding into account it might not have enough energy left to cause damage that way (other than a headache!). But that's the point of this test I suppose, to get some good data out of it.
If you have the funds mount accelerometers on the inside of the helmet and have it mounted on something somewhat flexible like a neck because while an arrow might not penetrate, that's still your head and neck that have to absorb that impact and hopefully not get a concussion. or do something to your neck
This! This is so important! It may not even matter if the armour is not penetrated - if the forces are high enough you may well debilitate the person inside that armour. From the amount of force required to pull a bow back, it is obvious there is a good amount of energy stored, the question is how much remains when it hits and how effectively it is transferred.
Absolutely very interesting video, I am aware of the fact that it is almost certainly too much to ask, but since the targets will be ready I ask it anyway ... It would be very interesting to also try crossbows from the same period to see any differences between the two and maybe explain why someone preferred the crossbow or the bow. Maybe it could be a new kickstarter level.
Shooting Crossbows could be taught in an hour or so, looking after the equipment would take longer. They are more expensive in later medieval forms, can be held cocked & drawn far longer, make good sniping weapons & are more compact making them better for fortification defence. They are however very mechanically inefficient & slower to shoot. Longbows take many years to master at warbow strength but are capable of much faster rates of shooting, require prodigious amounts of arrows to employ effectively, lighter to carry & less equipment needed to carry around too.
@@2bingtim i totally agree with you about everything you said, now i'm curious to see if it behaves differently when hitting different types of armor than bow because it could add points in the pros and cons list. And also because it would be absolutely fun.
This is of course something I would like to do, but making a film lie this takes a long time and you can only do a limited amount, so yes, but not this time round, but once we have a full suit anything is possible
When i was a kid in the 60s i read that the Saracens used beeswax on the tips of arrows/ bolts to aid penetration on Armour. I carried out experiments with an air rifle (.22) against a biscuit tin angled at 30 Deg which bounced off the pellets. Added beeswax and the pellets penetrated the tin at an even greater angle as well. The tips of the arrows/Bolts should be blunted to avoid defection on impact. Just seen your vids. very good.
I'm so hyped for this. I've been wanting a follow-up to that first video for so long. I'm excided to see your guys dedication to putting out a high quality doc and I'm happy to throw money in to help
Woo! This has been stirring in my head hoping to see more ever since the first film. This is almost too exciting. I hope this gets the funding it needs and a lot more and happens fast-- can't wait!
Very proud to support this project in a (very small) monetary way. No reward needed; seeing this to completion with the same original team, after all this time is rewarding in itself.
I've read somewhere that under a heavy shower of arrows the knights used to tilt their heads down, chin to chest to avoid having the vulnerable parts of the helmet in the arrows' trajectory, splinters could be a big problem for the eyes if they got in
I'm horribly skint at the moment but hoping comment will assist with the algorithm and liked. Anyone reading this while watching their first Tod Cutler video, be assured this will be an authentic and well thought out testing process and should finally give definite answers. And I'm annoyed I can't assist financially. Keep up the fantastic work!
Super cheeky. But you should ask skill. Lindy, metatron. Shad. Matt. You know the gang to see if they will give your kickstart a mention. Cause you know they want to video to happen too
Great stuff! This is the science I love. About the side shots, there is also the factor of formation to take into consideration. Perhaps the sides were less exposed because of the way knights lined up, tho the guys at the ends would still be getting screwed as is tradition. Gonna be very interesting to see what you come up with.
It may also be that the guys at the ends had armor that was built to actually be thick at the sides as well. Because there's far less "end pieces" than "middle pieces" there'd be a much smaller number of them and so the chances of actually finding surviving ones (nevermind realizing what they are) would be far lower. Why they wouldn't have written about it I don't know but there are other weird gaps in medieval literature as well as the ever annoying "in the usual way".
@@bolbyballinger I don't think that's likely, remember that armor is expensive AF, even most knights wouldn't have several sets for different situations. So people on the ends of the formation would be wearing whatever armor they had at hand, not custom designed pieces for those positions.
@@IamOutOfNames What people forget: Soldiers with lesser armor or exposed would bear shields even in the late Medieval times. Special one handed Pavise style shields, rondel shields or variants of good old heater shields. Particularly in the 14th century you did not yet have fully developed plate armors so you would expect more to be had, even if just for the flanks or because you may be a man at arms but still sport grandpa's brigandine.
I'm very excited at this! The first video was one of the most interesting ones I've seen, and the only effort I'm aware of that was comprehensive enough to give any reliable answers. Precisely to be comprehensive enough to give some reliable answers, it was so narrow in focus that it left me more curious than ever. I really can barely wait!
I literally found this channel a few months ago randomly and have since watched every video on it. And my 15th century munitions grade crossbow and bolts arrived last week. I joined the Kickstarter before this video ended.
I will definitely be supporting this! Just one suggestion, please shoot the helmet from different angles!!!! As the arrows would not always come from straight on. Cannot bloody wait to see this!
I'd also wondered about angled or side shots, from all manner of angles. I wish I could donate, but I've been out of work with health issues for a long time, but will appreciate the video when it drops and those that helped fund it. Fire at will!!
Your original film tests the impact of a few arrows on a pristine breast plate. One of the hardened arrows created a significant concave dent. Could successive arrow strikes weaken the plate enough to allow an arrow to penetrate it? do you propose to test this?
@@tods_workshop the Kickstarter seems to be doing great! I think you are going to go above budget! If so, maybe you could do even more tests with variations of arms and armor. You might be able to buy those accelerometer stickers, and test impacts with various melee weapons or something. I personally can't wait to see how that bassinets eye armor works out! Hopefully we get some good footage of blows glancing off them! Whatever you do, it's going to be awesome! A ballistics gel dummy would be a good under armor feature, as we could see if splintering is a factor, as well as realistic damage in case of penetration!
I'm going to try to donate to this. I'm an author of a Fantasy series so I honestly need to know how arrows interact with armor so I can make it as accurate as possible.
Top marks to you , Jason Green. As an author, you are indeed going the extra mile by (potentially) utilising the info from the future documentary and using it as accurately as you can for your Fantasy series. I just hope that your consumers appreciate the research that you will undoubtedly be doing.
I really respect that you're going the extra mile to understand how arrows interact with armor. This way, even if you decide not to follow the results exactly, you will be able to "break the rules" in an informed way
Would it be possible to add some of the high impact labels the Mythbusters would use, in order to measure how much force is being transfered from the arrow to the head. Just the concusive impact alone to the head could have caused all matter of harm.
I would love to see this, or even just stick something similar on a straw target and shoot it to get approximate figures of what is transfering to the armor
Saw this video 14 hrs after posting. Went to Kickstarter page to donate my two and a half lunches, and found that the project was already only $1000 shy of being fully funded! Excited to see this series come forth and hope that it emboldens you gentlemen to create and explore more. (Maybe a dozen more such series...?)
I'm very excited for this Tod, especially for the more geeky stretch goals like testing the different types of period steel against modern steel. That has ALWAYS been my problem with these sort of tests on film, they just say it's 'steel', and I just shake my head and say 'what steel?'. What's its composition, what heat treatment did it take, is it cast and rolled or bloomery wrought etc. I already use your armour testing videos as references for stuff i do, but this one is just going to be extremely valuable. Great stuff, so happy the backing was so huge and ferocious.
The first arrow vs armour films were truly excellent work, all the films are really, so I'm super glad of the chance to throw in $100 to help make more of them!
Instantly donated. I can't wait to watch the movie and all the extra footage. I suggest you put pictures of the rewards as soon as possible, it will probably help you get more donations...
Hey Todd, thanks for your continued work in testing cool and interesting stuff like this. I just donated and I am very excited to see this come to life!
Excited for this. I also agree with those saying you need a ballistic dummy of some kind inside. The gel pad was fine for what you were doing before, but one done in a human mold would better represent what going on for the wearer, though of course then you'd need to ensure the sizing matched up. Fortunately you can size the gel-man to the kit. If you're going all out, this seems worth it, especially for helmet tests regarding potential damage to the face. Can't wait to see it!
Tod I know you are looking forward to this but one thing I would love to see is the Lockdown Crossbow make a return and shoot alongside the longbow. One to see how well of a comparison between the two as you did say it was a substitute. Kinda put a nail in the coffin to those that talked about it not being the same. Also with all the arrows being shot, it would be good for the side shots cause you could mount that up and angle it to shoot for any repeat shots for a smaller target like if you were just trying to hit the helmet in a specific spot like the eye slits. It would be nice for vertical angled shots like say on a fortification shooting down or someone shooting uphill. Perfect for the crossbow to tackle that type of shots unless you just angled the dummy.
This is an interesting point. We are asking Joe to shoot a heavy bow very accurately for 2-3 days and there is the possibility that we wear him out or break him and so in that instance we need a back up. So it is absolutely not our intention to substitute Joe with the LDLB but we may have to supplement him with it. Because of this we will be making a short section where we shoot the two side by side too compare performance and make sure they are matched and depending on circumstances we may or may not include this. It will always look better and to be honest be more understandable if the LDLB is not used, but it has to be there as a back up.
I could not sleep, and laid pondering about bassinets, like the one you want to use testingh. I wonder about the narrow protruding eye and mouth slits, that might have been developed to stop incoming arrows in the way that when an arrow hits exactly in the slit/opening, the protruding sheetmetal gets pushed back and at the same time closes the slits, and thus breaks the arrow in its path, hopefully enough to prevent the arrow to injure the knight. Just a theory but would be interesting to see if that actually works. Any way to break or divert projectiles helps I would think. I hope you could understand what I mean writing in the middle of the night. Allmost like an eel trap if you catch my drift.
It is a great cause & should be able to be used for research not just entertainment as long as you accurately record all the data possible. As Mythbusters famously said "the difference between science and messing around is writing it down". I can't personally afford to help you but I believe you will be successful in raising the needed funds.
You guys are halfway there in like 6 hours. I think you’re gunna make it. Interesting too, most of us did the £20 option instead of the £10, we want that juicy behind the scenes goodness!
Awesome, just donated too. It would be great if you are also able to do some tests related to reletive verlocity, ie if a knight on a horse is charging at the archer, at say 10m/s, then the arrow effectively has a higher speed when it hits the Knight so how much would that extra speed effect penetration?
@@tods_workshop Just for clarification, but you're considering on using historical steel for the armor, yeah? If so, mind telling me what you know about how plate armors were made then and which one you'd like to replicate? I only know of two methods, and that's just case-hardening and sandwiching iron with carbon steel.
have pledged. really looking forward to this, i nerded out really hard on the first one, expect more of the same here. Really hope this gets some attention and inspires some sponsors to get onboard so we all can get the benefit of a widely expanded series.
Imagine how amazing that would sound. After listening to how loud the shots were in the original video, it seems film makers are missing out by not having the deafening storm of arrows whenever they make a big battle sequence.
@@tods_workshop Couple of humble observations from the original video if I may? 1. The armour being mounted on a wheeled pedestal to simulate impact inertia is fine, but what about when in the throng and press, ppl simply couldn't move back at all? 2. The Jupon, whilst doubtless absorbing some impact, equally seems to negate the curved design by pinning the arrow and ensuring that achieved more than a skirting glancing ricochet. Consequently, with Jupons potentially covering whole torso including arms, that same 'pinning' effect might also nullify the more extreme curves on the arm, of which it's also only be 1.5 mm or less thick?
Great idea! There's definitely a need for more actual test data. And looking good, already over half the amount reached. I will at minimum spread the links, maybe i can chip in on the kickstarter as well, we shall have to see... Maybe check if any museums wants to contribute?
Tod-love your channel! Two things: how about getting a museum to allow a research lab to analyze a small sample of steel from an historic piece of armor? I know of two such labs in the States that could do it but probably simpler at a UK facility; also, about your trebuchet......what was their size in history? Assuming yours is somewhat scaled down, the mass and volume of your projectile should be as well, no? Thinking about the physics of it, it seems as though there must be a length of arm plus sling that optimizes the range according to the law of conservation of angular momentum. There is a YT video where a young man does the math and then creates a trebuchet that fires a ball bearing faster than the speed of sound, for example. He has all his equations available. Just thinking it might help your project.
I am so ready for this. The original film was so good, I really hope you guys hit all the goals If this somehow becomes a whole series of different armor tests and testing different scenarios like this, that would be the best
Looking forward to seeing more of this project.
maybe you could arrange to collect some of the scraps to trial them against lances?
The moment he mentioned lances, I thought the same thing :)
Hey, it's Sir James.
Agreed!
You hit the eye-slot of that helmet with your lance - I well remember it!
Really looking forward to this!
OMG its Drach, would love to see you involved somehow!
You need to do a stretch goal where you take on the question of 'How archer proof are battleships?'.
Just wandering the docks, shooting a longbow at a few ships. For science.
Good to see you here and looking forward to seeing you in a field near here
Maybe you can run a fundraiser for a Yamato armor belt section. Then ask the USN to barrow the New Jersey and her 16 inch guns for some penetration test. ;-)
Wow so exciting to see Drach as well as Mod History TV! I'm star struck!
I am a US Army Veteran that once was an assistant teacher for teaching military history. Although my budget cannot afford to fully support this, you definitely earned twenty-five Pounds from me.
And for that I am very thankful. I really appreciate it.
for this upcoming film/test you should look into getting a ballistics dummy, because won;t the armor react differently with something inside it keeping all the components where they need to naturally rest?
Or just put someone inside the armour? Probably cheaper
@@lovablesnowman Good idea
With the meniion of Toby being a jouster, I'm wondering if they could use a variation on the jousting targets that they use for training, the ones that can move/be dynamic when hit? Might be a cheaper/more cost effective way thatn getting a custo made dummy.
@@lovablesnowman I've a tidy list that would improve the species.
should have asked for a few corpses donated to science in the kickstarter smh
I literally re-watched part 1 this morning! This is awesome, I'm pumped!
Bring it on.
@@tods_workshop LIke Above I just rewatched Part 1 this Friday to share it with my friends...and I lamented we hadn't gotten Part 2 yet. I'm so Stoked for this.
Wow 9 hours later and you’re almost completely funded. That says a lot about how much the community enjoys your work Tod.
Thanks and it is personally flattering, but in reality this first film was a massive effort by us all and I wanted a follow up so assumed others would too
It's already passed the original goal, £41,000 so far, good to see the support.
They’re back, baby! Let’s get this project off the ground! I can’t be the only one eagerly awaiting this!
I think Tod may have underestimated how many people have been craving for more of this brilliantly thought out and produced film! I didn’t even need to watch till the end of the video it was an instant YES! From me.
it is a day afted this video was posted. I went to visit the kickstarted page and the project got even slightly more funding than is need! this is a thank you for all the people who donated. thanks for making videos like this one mentioned possible. next time if an idea like this comes up with funding needed I will join you for sure! I wish you all a great day, folks.
And remember; you're not donating just to see a TH-cam video.
You're literally investing in experimental archaeological study.
So true, but it is also a film so win all round
The original was one of my favorite medieval weapons & armor videos. I'm so happy to support you guys doing more!
What we all hoped for when you picked up a bundle of arrows from Will!
It was a tease - sorry
@@tods_workshop No need to apologize for the hype train.
@@tods_workshop In a world of clickbait, it's refreshing to see something based in reality for a change. Godspeed to this venture!
Tod: "Why this helmet?"
Curator: "... it's French..."
That is all we need to know why this helmet needs to be shot by Englishmen ;-D
best comment....
To be honest, one of the most famous bow battles ever is Agincourt.
I mean... Look no further!
It’s also because this type of helmet has been optimized as much as it could to glance away things like swords and arrows for the time compared to earlier helmets that came before it.
Lol
This is going to be an incredible series. I’m thrilled to see that only fourteen hours after the posting of this video that the kickstarter is essentially funded
I know! Unbelievable and so exciting
Hope you put G force indicators under to show the shock impact.
Absolutely agree with you. Lindy just recently mentioned the kinetic energy transported in one of those arrows ... even if it doesn't penetrate the armor I still wouldn't want someone to whack me in the throat hard!
Not to mention that equipment could very well survive to see future videos.
It would be neat to see how much of a difference there is between flexible weapons and fixed weapons.
Agreed and/or full ballistic dummies that may indicate broken bones even though they stopped the arrow going inside
@@HungrigerHugo89 To be fair, I just rewatched the original video, and the arrows at 10m had less kinetic energy than a .22 LR round. No doubt it wouldn't be nice to be hit by one, but I imagine once you take the padding into account it might not have enough energy left to cause damage that way (other than a headache!).
But that's the point of this test I suppose, to get some good data out of it.
Vital as even if a hit doesn't penetrate, if the victim is knocked insensible by blunt force traumor he's out of the battle.
If you have the funds mount accelerometers on the inside of the helmet and have it mounted on something somewhat flexible like a neck because while an arrow might not penetrate, that's still your head and neck that have to absorb that impact and hopefully not get a concussion. or do something to your neck
This! This is so important! It may not even matter if the armour is not penetrated - if the forces are high enough you may well debilitate the person inside that armour.
From the amount of force required to pull a bow back, it is obvious there is a good amount of energy stored, the question is how much remains when it hits and how effectively it is transferred.
Absolutely very interesting video, I am aware of the fact that it is almost certainly too much to ask, but since the targets will be ready I ask it anyway ...
It would be very interesting to also try crossbows from the same period to see any differences between the two and maybe explain why someone preferred the crossbow or the bow.
Maybe it could be a new kickstarter level.
thankfully Todd does make accurate medieval crossbows, i hope he sees this message and decides to do this as well
Could be a possible stretch goal Tod could add.
Shooting Crossbows could be taught in an hour or so, looking after the equipment would take longer. They are more expensive in later medieval forms, can be held cocked & drawn far longer, make good sniping weapons & are more compact making them better for fortification defence. They are however very mechanically inefficient & slower to shoot.
Longbows take many years to master at warbow strength but are capable of much faster rates of shooting, require prodigious amounts of arrows to employ effectively, lighter to carry & less equipment needed to carry around too.
@@2bingtim i totally agree with you about everything you said, now i'm curious to see if it behaves differently when hitting different types of armor than bow because it could add points in the pros and cons list.
And also because it would be absolutely fun.
This is of course something I would like to do, but making a film lie this takes a long time and you can only do a limited amount, so yes, but not this time round, but once we have a full suit anything is possible
So AWESOME! Everybody back this please!!
When i was a kid in the 60s i read that the Saracens used beeswax on the tips of arrows/ bolts to aid penetration on Armour. I carried out experiments with an air rifle (.22) against a biscuit tin angled at 30 Deg which bounced off the pellets. Added beeswax and the pellets penetrated the tin at an even greater angle as well. The tips of the arrows/Bolts should be blunted to avoid defection on impact. Just seen your vids. very good.
I'm so hyped for this. I've been wanting a follow-up to that first video for so long. I'm excided to see your guys dedication to putting out a high quality doc and I'm happy to throw money in to help
"I'm going to go to England to become a knight!" Most of us have dreamed of it. Some of us have said it. Sir Toby went and did it!
This is perfect! Thank you so much, Tod and Co. I can't wait to see this, we need this in the medieval community.
The only reward I seek is seeing you shoot these arrows at armour & your experts discussing the results. Will Sherman will weep!
As will Augusto the armourer
First ever kickstarter I’ve backed!
Woo! This has been stirring in my head hoping to see more ever since the first film. This is almost too exciting. I hope this gets the funding it needs and a lot more and happens fast-- can't wait!
Very proud to support this project in a (very small) monetary way.
No reward needed; seeing this to completion with the same original team, after all this time is rewarding in itself.
Very happy to support this effort - just pledged!
This is great, I went straight to the kickstarter page after less than 2 minuts 😀
Thank you
I still have no idea how I got to this channel a few months ago but I love every episode
Glad it was a happy accident
so happy to see how you guys are working together. TH-camrs and curators working towards learning and discovering more. I'll pitch in for sure
Thanks and Toby understands media and I understand museums so we can work together well as well as being friends
Multiple sets of armor made from different qualities of steel would be interesting to me.
Apparently Jeff Bezos is looking for a new project.....that would be awesome, but costly
I've read somewhere that under a heavy shower of arrows the knights used to tilt their heads down, chin to chest to avoid having the vulnerable parts of the helmet in the arrows' trajectory, splinters could be a big problem for the eyes if they got in
The top of the helmet was usually the thickest part of the helmet & thickest of all worn. Next would be the chest front.
Absolutely. That is very much an aspect we want to look at
Hell yeah i'm in ! Waited for this for so long. I really love historical archery, and this kind of content is exactly what we need.
I'm horribly skint at the moment but hoping comment will assist with the algorithm and liked.
Anyone reading this while watching their first Tod Cutler video, be assured this will be an authentic and well thought out testing process and should finally give definite answers. And I'm annoyed I can't assist financially.
Keep up the fantastic work!
30 years ago we were debating this. Now we're testing. Exciting times. I'll try to contribute. :)
The squad is back! Excited to see what you have in store. Great ideas, great content, and always entertaining. Thanks bro.
Love that helmet style.
Super cheeky. But you should ask skill. Lindy, metatron. Shad. Matt. You know the gang to see if they will give your kickstart a mention. Cause you know they want to video to happen too
Already have! Check out Matts channel
@@tods_workshop congratulations on the fund raising
I love you and Toby as a team! You guys are friggin awesome ! Thank you so much for the Amazing content you create and the knowledge you spread !
Great stuff! This is the science I love.
About the side shots, there is also the factor of formation to take into consideration.
Perhaps the sides were less exposed because of the way knights lined up, tho the guys at the ends would still be getting screwed as is tradition.
Gonna be very interesting to see what you come up with.
It may also be that the guys at the ends had armor that was built to actually be thick at the sides as well.
Because there's far less "end pieces" than "middle pieces" there'd be a much smaller number of them and so the chances of actually finding surviving ones (nevermind realizing what they are) would be far lower.
Why they wouldn't have written about it I don't know but there are other weird gaps in medieval literature as well as the ever annoying "in the usual way".
@@bolbyballinger I don't think that's likely, remember that armor is expensive AF, even most knights wouldn't have several sets for different situations.
So people on the ends of the formation would be wearing whatever armor they had at hand, not custom designed pieces for those positions.
@@IamOutOfNames What people forget: Soldiers with lesser armor or exposed would bear shields even in the late Medieval times. Special one handed Pavise style shields, rondel shields or variants of good old heater shields.
Particularly in the 14th century you did not yet have fully developed plate armors so you would expect more to be had, even if just for the flanks or because you may be a man at arms but still sport grandpa's brigandine.
Oh man, I'm in! This explains that delivery of two giant bunches of arrows!
Can't wait to see this, so glad you all are doing this.
I'm very excited at this! The first video was one of the most interesting ones I've seen, and the only effort I'm aware of that was comprehensive enough to give any reliable answers. Precisely to be comprehensive enough to give some reliable answers, it was so narrow in focus that it left me more curious than ever. I really can barely wait!
Buzzing! Can't wait for this. Surly arrows Vs armour 3 is a reenactment of the battle of Agincourt with live actors all armoured up :)
Thank you so much Tod and Toby, both of you are true legends in my humble opinion, and this makes me so excited about history!
Our pleasure!
Arrows vs Armour is my favourite video on this channel, definitely backing the Kickstarter! Will back a part 3 and 4 too.
I literally found this channel a few months ago randomly and have since watched every video on it. And my 15th century munitions grade crossbow and bolts arrived last week. I joined the Kickstarter before this video ended.
I'm HYPED!
I’m so excited that this film is happening. Absolutely love the design of the bascinet and can’t wait to see it abused.
Let's go! I'm 100% confident those arrows will just bounce off (again) but I still can't wait to see it proven beyond doubt
I am not so sure
@@tods_workshop well we'll know for sure in a few months
This is awesome! Instantly backed!
Thanks
This is a personal request that I'd love to see. I wanna see some springalds or ballistas. I think they are badass
I'm positive this will reach the goals, and they will no doubt be spectacular videos!
nice to see the kickstarter! way to go and good luck with the project!
I will definitely be supporting this!
Just one suggestion, please shoot the helmet from different angles!!!! As the arrows would not always come from straight on.
Cannot bloody wait to see this!
That's the plan and nor can I - very excited
I will be sharing this video wherever I can, that's for sure!
Thank you
I'd also wondered about angled or side shots, from all manner of angles. I wish I could donate, but I've been out of work with health issues for a long time, but will appreciate the video when it drops and those that helped fund it.
Fire at will!!
No problem and all the best. Just chipping in with quality thoughts and comments helps massively too
Damn straight, I will back up this awesome project.
Wow! Amazing. This is a unique opportunity. No one makes content like you. I’m delighted to support this work.
Thanks
Can’t wait!
Thank you , Tod .
Lets make this happen! Been waiting for this so much!
Looks like that's a YES from the community. Congratulations everyone! This is exciting.
Agreed! A massive thank you from the AvA2 team
It's insane. The video is from yesterday and the money is already overflowing the goal. Hell yeah!!!
More content!!!
This is amazing
Your original film tests the impact of a few arrows on a pristine breast plate. One of the hardened arrows created a significant concave dent. Could successive arrow strikes weaken the plate enough to allow an arrow to penetrate it? do you propose to test this?
I'm so glad I found this channel, great content and historically accurate information. Looking forward to future videos !
Ooh, I can't wait to see this! I've been waiting for three years!
So have I!
@@tods_workshop the Kickstarter seems to be doing great! I think you are going to go above budget! If so, maybe you could do even more tests with variations of arms and armor. You might be able to buy those accelerometer stickers, and test impacts with various melee weapons or something. I personally can't wait to see how that bassinets eye armor works out! Hopefully we get some good footage of blows glancing off them! Whatever you do, it's going to be awesome! A ballistics gel dummy would be a good under armor feature, as we could see if splintering is a factor, as well as realistic damage in case of penetration!
@@garretisla5282 he"s probably going to get 2x the money
Just gave a merchant-level pledge, the extended cut sounds like too much extra info for me to pass up!
Thanks InSanic - not seen you about in a while - thanks
@@tods_workshop Oh, I've been watching every video - I just haven't had a lot to say in a while.
A huge win for history fans, congrats for reaching the goal.
Very excited to see these videos come to pass. Glad I was able to donate some to help.
Another 20 to the stretch goals, this is such a good opportunity to answer 600 yr old questions. Looking forward to it immensely. Good luck
I'm going to try to donate to this. I'm an author of a Fantasy series so I honestly need to know how arrows interact with armor so I can make it as accurate as possible.
Top marks to you , Jason Green. As an author, you are indeed going the extra mile by (potentially) utilising the info from the future documentary and using it as accurately as you can for your Fantasy series. I just hope that your consumers appreciate the research that you will undoubtedly be doing.
I really respect that you're going the extra mile to understand how arrows interact with armor. This way, even if you decide not to follow the results exactly, you will be able to "break the rules" in an informed way
Would it be possible to add some of the high impact labels the Mythbusters would use, in order to measure how much force is being transfered from the arrow to the head. Just the concusive impact alone to the head could have caused all matter of harm.
Don't know about those - I will look into it
@@tods_workshop the brand they used were called ShockWatch stickers for reference, but there are a number of competitors now
I would love to see this, or even just stick something similar on a straw target and shoot it to get approximate figures of what is transfering to the armor
this is the first Kickstarter I've ever backed, I can't wait!
You've done this at the right time of the month ;)
Great concept, can't wait for it to happen! Will support it! Crossing my fingers!
PS: Stretch goal addition => Film 5: Arrows vs Armoire! ;)
This seems like a project games designers and movies producers should be working with you to complete. Love this
Saw this video 14 hrs after posting. Went to Kickstarter page to donate my two and a half lunches, and found that the project was already only $1000 shy of being fully funded! Excited to see this series come forth and hope that it emboldens you gentlemen to create and explore more. (Maybe a dozen more such series...?)
I'm very excited for this Tod, especially for the more geeky stretch goals like testing the different types of period steel against modern steel. That has ALWAYS been my problem with these sort of tests on film, they just say it's 'steel', and I just shake my head and say 'what steel?'. What's its composition, what heat treatment did it take, is it cast and rolled or bloomery wrought etc.
I already use your armour testing videos as references for stuff i do, but this one is just going to be extremely valuable. Great stuff, so happy the backing was so huge and ferocious.
The first arrow vs armour films were truly excellent work, all the films are really, so I'm super glad of the chance to throw in $100 to help make more of them!
Thank you for the compliments and help
Instantly donated. I can't wait to watch the movie and all the extra footage. I suggest you put pictures of the rewards as soon as possible, it will probably help you get more donations...
Thanks and did n't know I could upload pictures - never done this before
Hey Todd, thanks for your continued work in testing cool and interesting stuff like this. I just donated and I am very excited to see this come to life!
Thank you
Sounds brilliant, count me in!
Very exciting to see. Also bonus points for aerodynamic mustache vents on the helmet.
Excited for this. I also agree with those saying you need a ballistic dummy of some kind inside. The gel pad was fine for what you were doing before, but one done in a human mold would better represent what going on for the wearer, though of course then you'd need to ensure the sizing matched up. Fortunately you can size the gel-man to the kit. If you're going all out, this seems worth it, especially for helmet tests regarding potential damage to the face. Can't wait to see it!
WE would like to, but this is part of the stretch goal, but fingers crossed
@@tods_workshop Well I guess I better put some money where my mouth is then lol.
Tod I know you are looking forward to this but one thing I would love to see is the Lockdown Crossbow make a return and shoot alongside the longbow. One to see how well of a comparison between the two as you did say it was a substitute. Kinda put a nail in the coffin to those that talked about it not being the same. Also with all the arrows being shot, it would be good for the side shots cause you could mount that up and angle it to shoot for any repeat shots for a smaller target like if you were just trying to hit the helmet in a specific spot like the eye slits.
It would be nice for vertical angled shots like say on a fortification shooting down or someone shooting uphill. Perfect for the crossbow to tackle that type of shots unless you just angled the dummy.
This is an interesting point. We are asking Joe to shoot a heavy bow very accurately for 2-3 days and there is the possibility that we wear him out or break him and so in that instance we need a back up. So it is absolutely not our intention to substitute Joe with the LDLB but we may have to supplement him with it. Because of this we will be making a short section where we shoot the two side by side too compare performance and make sure they are matched and depending on circumstances we may or may not include this. It will always look better and to be honest be more understandable if the LDLB is not used, but it has to be there as a back up.
I could not sleep, and laid pondering about bassinets, like the one you want to use testingh. I wonder about the narrow protruding eye and mouth slits, that might have been developed to stop incoming arrows in the way that when an arrow hits exactly in the slit/opening, the protruding sheetmetal gets pushed back and at the same time closes the slits, and thus breaks the arrow in its path, hopefully enough to prevent the arrow to injure the knight. Just a theory but would be interesting to see if that actually works. Any way to break or divert projectiles helps I would think.
I hope you could understand what I mean writing in the middle of the night. Allmost like an eel trap if you catch my drift.
It is a great cause & should be able to be used for research not just entertainment as long as you accurately record all the data possible. As Mythbusters famously said "the difference between science and messing around is writing it down".
I can't personally afford to help you but I believe you will be successful in raising the needed funds.
Easiest 16 Canadian rubles I've ever spent. So excited to see it.
You guys are halfway there in like 6 hours. I think you’re gunna make it. Interesting too, most of us did the £20 option instead of the £10, we want that juicy behind the scenes goodness!
Yes it is looking very good and the tier also interested me and we debated long and hard how to divide them up
Awesome, so excited for this! Unfortunately I can't contribute myself but I wish you all the best on the fundraiser.
Cheers!
No problem - just drop a really good question or comment and that will do
Awesome, just donated too. It would be great if you are also able to do some tests related to reletive verlocity, ie if a knight on a horse is charging at the archer, at say 10m/s, then the arrow effectively has a higher speed when it hits the Knight so how much would that extra speed effect penetration?
This time round not, because the knights were on foot, but once we have the full armour, this could easily be the next one
@@tods_workshop Just for clarification, but you're considering on using historical steel for the armor, yeah?
If so, mind telling me what you know about how plate armors were made then and which one you'd like to replicate? I only know of two methods, and that's just case-hardening and sandwiching iron with carbon steel.
have pledged. really looking forward to this, i nerded out really hard on the first one, expect more of the same here.
Really hope this gets some attention and inspires some sponsors to get onboard so we all can get the benefit of a widely expanded series.
Just pledged. Looking forward to seeing the outcome 👍👏
What's difficult to recreate is the sheer volume of arrows.
Not many Joe's around lol
Imagine how amazing that would sound. After listening to how loud the shots were in the original video, it seems film makers are missing out by not having the deafening storm of arrows whenever they make a big battle sequence.
@@BritishTeaLover Very true
Actually this film will be just one archer, but I do hope in the future we will do volley shooting at out knight
@@tods_workshop More than understandable. Glad you've been able to get the all-stars together again 👍
@@tods_workshop Couple of humble observations from the original video if I may?
1. The armour being mounted on a wheeled pedestal to simulate impact inertia is fine, but what about when in the throng and press, ppl simply couldn't move back at all?
2. The Jupon, whilst doubtless absorbing some impact, equally seems to negate the curved design by pinning the arrow and ensuring that achieved more than a skirting glancing ricochet.
Consequently, with Jupons potentially covering whole torso including arms, that same 'pinning' effect might also nullify the more extreme curves on the arm, of which it's also only be 1.5 mm or less thick?
Fantastic - Backed and looking forwards to more!
Thanks
Hyped for this
Great idea! There's definitely a need for more actual test data. And looking good, already over half the amount reached. I will at minimum spread the links, maybe i can chip in on the kickstarter as well, we shall have to see...
Maybe check if any museums wants to contribute?
Well, definetly looking good so far! :)
Tod-love your channel! Two things: how about getting a museum to allow a research lab to analyze a small sample of steel from an historic piece of armor? I know of two such labs in the States that could do it but probably simpler at a UK facility; also, about your trebuchet......what was their size in history? Assuming yours is somewhat scaled down, the mass and volume of your projectile should be as well, no? Thinking about the physics of it, it seems as though there must be a length of arm plus sling that optimizes the range according to the law of conservation of angular momentum. There is a YT video where a young man does the math and then creates a trebuchet that fires a ball bearing faster than the speed of sound, for example. He has all his equations available. Just thinking it might help your project.
I am so ready for this.
The original film was so good, I really hope you guys hit all the goals
If this somehow becomes a whole series of different armor tests and testing different scenarios like this, that would be the best
That indeed would be epic