AMD RDNA 5 Chiplet Plans LEAKED Via RDNA 4 High End Design?
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AMD RDNA 5 Chiplet Plans LEAKED Via RDNA 4 High End Design?
Some VERY interesting leaks today, as the now canned RDNA 4 high end GPU has had it's specs LEAKED, including the compute units, shader engines, GCD, chiplets and MORE. Could these LEAKED RDNA 4 high end designs show what AMD has in store for the TRUE next gen GPUs - RDNA 5? Join us as we examine the RDNA 4 high end leaks, how they compare with previous rumours on RDNA 4's hardware specifications, what the die configuration could have looked like, and what all this could possibly mean for RDNA 5's design - from specs, to architecture, to performance.
We also have an update to AMD Strix Point, as yet more specifications have leaked, pretty much confirming the previous leaks on Ryzen AI Strix Point APUs being accurate. But could Ryzen Strix Point spell the END for budget graphic cards?
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Good insight, thanks!
Sadly not always true... Remember bulls̶h̶i̶t̶dozer?
@@2muchjpop even as an intel user at the time, I was so disappointed in bulldozer after all the exciting hype.
Yeah, it'd be very interesting to see ... and I am super curious also...
If they could make the 8800XT 5% faster than the 7900XT in raster and 15-25% faster in RT, 240W and sold it for $449-499. They would have a winner in their hands
If it matches a 7900 XT at 4k I’ll be surprised.
Why do something so logical? We’re talking about AMD Marketing here. We have to give them the obvious goal for a win and then have them take that and faceplant …by selling it for $799 MSRP
Basically. Obviously. Of course. Quite frankly. Very interested to see...
Lol
Pretty much sums everything up.
I laughed way too much at this and i did not even see the video yet.
@@CHT1992 Good…don’t waste your time.
Lmao
Lol love the AMD hate from the folks who only consider Nvidia.
Personally I will buy from the company who provides the most overall compelling product. 2080ti was gross. I bought it and regretted the poor performance upgrade over 1080ti. 3080 price wasnt real at release, and I needed more VRAM so I went 6900XT. Then 40 series prices are absolute robbery. Sure...the 4090 is insane...but so is the price. No thanks. Then 4080 lost to 7900xtx in all but RT and cost more. Nvidia better fix the price issues if they want to really keep people away from AMD. Also, quit cheaping out on VRAM capacity.
My MSi RX 6800 Gaming Trio is running fine.
LMAO 5090/5080 is on 3nm, and will be 1999$ MSRP 5080 1499$ MSRP Theirs NO way they'd drop the price when stockholders, and Investors have asked all 7 quarters for a price increase, and since the 4090 is selling out, and AIBS are near 1900$ (Asus) Theirs no way you can believe they'll drop the price. I've had 2 Bands burning in my pocket waiting for the 5090 to drop, get your money up, not your funny up bud.
@@steezegod2768Instead of getting money up, get your price standards up and stop letting companies play in your face even if you can afford it. If more people voted with their money, Nvidia wouldn't have a choice but to decrease the price🎉🎉🎉
@@steezegod2768Come on man how is the 5090 gonna be $3,000. The 4090 was only $200 more than the 3090.
@noimnotakpoppfpsheacy2526 AMDs RDNA 5 if it's faster then the 5090, you think they'd charge less? I'm buying max performance every gen, get your money up brokie.
My next CPU will probably be a Zen 5 or Zen 6
I love my 7900xtx im happy there doing this im exited for rdna 5 time to save money until then
What I understood from the Navi41 cancellation articles, there was a problem distributing the workload across the chiplets. The RDNA5 engineers solved this problem, but they couldn't fix RDNA4 without starting over on the chiplet design.
At this point for RX 8000 series and how the Navi48 is effectively the replacement for Navi42 and expected to be weaker than the RX 7900 XTX configuration, I wonder if AMD plans to refresh Navi31 to help fill the void until the RX 9000 series. It would not be the first time AMD launches a series where the flagship is a refresh and the new GPU design is a mid-tier.
AMD cancelling monolitic design on top end in Rdna4 but going to develop RDNA5 high end as MCM is known already for some time. But I appreciate different approach to old leak.
Interesting... I hadn't consider them rejoining the archs for GPU... It is reasonable since the rumors said they were disaggregating the modules... They did something similar when they went from Vega to CDNA...
CDNA3 (MI300X) has 320CUs at 5nm so for 3nm CUs, etc. they can get the power down from RDNA3 and save money on reuse of modules for CDNA4 and RDNA5... We can be certain that they'll get 40-50% increase from RDNA3 to RDNA4 with the leaks...
RDNA5 may get 70-80% over RDNA3... RDNA3.5 is an unknown so it's hard to really guess...
Still... Exciting...
With Blackwell coming out this year, and RDNA 5 coming out sometime in 25-26, I would expect ray tracing performance to have to increase at least 600% to even be on par with blackwell. When even Intel is better at RT on their first gen architecture, you know AMD is fumbling hard. Failing to even release a high end RDNA 4, they already did fumble. They really need to do better.
Truth!
It's OK AMD loves to give Nvidia free advertisements when showing it's cpu flagship like 7800X3D forcing reviewers to use the 4090 for maximum scaling. Rinse repeat Blackwell 5090/zen53d.🤪
Dude, they cant even make their driver to don't stutter like all hell on shader compilation(yes, its much worse than on Nvidia).
Errr just btw AMD isn't that far behind on RT to raster performance, and honestly it seems like NVIDIA has hit a wall in improving that ratio because the 30 series only improved by like 10 - 20% and 40 series only improved by like ~10% so if AMD could catch even the 40 series RT to raster ratio they would likely not be significantly behind blackwell, so all in they would only have to increase RT performance in absolute terms by like 300% / 3x to be close to what blackwell can do, as I am assuming a 50% increase in performance for blackwell and maybe another 10% increase to RT to raster performance ratio. which would leave AMD 10% behind in RT performance given comparing cards with the same raster performance.
I wonder if Nvidia's 5000 series top-end beating them again forced them to go RDNA5 ASAP because they believe they have them beat there. Let's hope so!
we need something on 4070 class perf and watts with cheaper price
Lmao okay, no.
RTX 5060 Ti, next year
How much vram will the RTX 5080 and RTX 5070 mobile laptop gpu will have?
Your dealing with nGreedia here, so the VRAM will be the same as today.
Considering Nvidia GPUs for desktop, in spite of the bitching usually have the memory they need and it's incredibly rare that for gaming any reviewer can ever show a performance drop that they can definitively say is because of a lack of VRAM, my guess is it will have the amount Nvidia thinks a laptop GPU needs at each performance level, and it won't have more than that.
Hope that helps.
Nobody knows yet.
@@johndoh5182 I think desktop RTX 5090 will have 32gb vram at minimum because it is rumoured to use 512 bit bus recently changed from 384
So RTX 5080 will definitely use a 320 or 384 bit bus changed from 256 bit bus because if RTX 5090 uses 512 bit bus there's no way RTX 5080 will still use a 256 bit bus.
RTX 5090 laptop gpu will use the same die as RTX 5080 desktop just like last gen RTX 4090 laptop gpu uses RTX 4080 desktop die and RTX 4080 laptop gpu uses RTX 4070 ti die configuration.
So if RTX 5080 Desktop uses 20 or 24gb then RTX 5090 laptop gpu will have the same 20 or 24gb vram configuration.
RTX 5080 laptop should have at least 16gb vram as RTX 5070 Ti will at least have 16gb vram because the RTX 4070 Ti Super already has 16gb it would make no sense to make RTX 5070 Ti have less than 16gb Vram.
RTX 5070 laptop should have 12gb.
RTX 5060 laptop should have 10 or 8 gb.
RTX 5050 laptop should have 8 or 6gb.
The rumor from big leakers is the SAME ram as the 4000 series.
i bet there will be a surprise like enhanced frame generation with 4x framerate or even more, with ai for rdna4 only.
I just wonder how much it will cost, how much faster than 6950xt and 7900xt, and how much the resale value of those older gpus will drop. Because I havent seen the price drop at all since Eth mining ended, the 7000 series didnt change a damn yhing, and i know 8000 wont ( because its not performance competitive) and i bet 9000 probably wont either (because of pricing, aka inflation, there is much more to come)
Strix Halo isn't made to replace high end GPUs in laptops. But it does fulfill the needs of most people when it comes to gaming. You have an iGPU that can basically play every game out there in 1080p60 easily and with FSR, beyond that. Gonna be interesting to see benchmarks. But if it has Xbox series X power in laptops, it will be very popular.
What will be the difference between plan and reality AMD ??
AMD might need to go quad channel memory if they are going to do uber APU's.
did you see the video by "Graphically Challenged" from a couple hours ago? There's a new leak that suggests that AMD's high end gpus might not be canceled, and it gives some specs that he speculates are the 8900XT and 8900XTX. From his rough estimate based on the leak, if that 8900XTX is truly coming out and isn't canceled, it would have around ×3.4 [340%] the rasterization performance of the 7900XTX.
The leak says that the 8900XT and 8900XTX will come with 144WGP/288CU and GDDR7 and the shaders are gonna be increased from 6 to 9 which will bring the total for the 8900XTX to around 18K shaders.
why are there so few leaks for gen 15 from intel?
Meteor Lake increased Latency 44 times on core access, and core to core latency went up 3 timmes, Arrow Lake will have that same chiplet latency penalty. 7800X3D outsold 13th & 14th gen nearly 10-15 times month to month the past 9 months, None of us consumers(actual purchasers) care about Intel, I'm selling my 13900k x 4090 build, 9800X3D x 5090 is the move. I can't be bothered with Intel until Panther Lake releases with Fiber Optic(Obliterating all chiplet latency) Their 1st gen chiplet, vs AMD's 5th with Ryzen 9000? Easy, no one cares about Intel right now, go look at Intels Fabs, Their RMAs are in the thousands right now today, and their fabs aren't doing well.
I'm not seeing a compelling reason to upgrade from my 6900XT yet
It would have to beat the 5090. So 2x performance is still not good enough maybe 2.5x the 7900xtx
Something tells me it wouldnt have been all that great if they cancelled it. You dont go through all the trouble of designing a good product and then dont sell it. Either it was a total back of the napkin design or there was somethijg wrong with it
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to be honest it being 7900 GRE to 7900XT that is enough for the vast majority of people even in the next generation, as you say it all comes down to pricing, it's it's $500 - $550 well nobody cares because the 7900 GRE already exists and if your only improving performance by 11% at best and maybe significantly improving ray tracing well the 4070Ti exists at not that much more than the 7900 GRE. Now if it's $450 ehhh yeh thats fine and will move people, $400 thats pretty darn good, a bit more performance at a significantly lower price, thats good.
$350 thats the point where I think they would sell like hotcakes, not that I expect AMD to sell at that price, I expect them to come in at $500 - $550 and say, but it has more performance and significantly better RT performance, then later have to drop the price down to $400 to actually get a signifiant number of sales which originally if they hadn't got greedy and poisoned the day 1 reviews they wouldn't have to go down closer to the $400 and could have had plenty of happy customers at the $450 mark but they have to drop the price down to a point where reviewers go, "thats quite a good price we should re-evaluate this product."
Like here me now quote me later, if AMD launches at $500 - $550 they will end up close to $400 within 12 months, if they launch at $450 they can just keep that price off the good will they got in day 1 reviews and only have to cut the price just before the next generation mid range GPUs come to clear stock quickly.
200 CU GPU that can't ray trace? For the 10 people out there who game at 8k?
chiplet is good for ai since ai task dont need to be latency sensitive
That’s not at all true. All the AI chips are using HBM memory with super expensive (and faster, by multiple orders of magnitude) interconnects to ensure that the AI compute chiplets have the data they need. AI workloads (for training, inference is different) are actually not compute bound, but actually memory bound. The lower the latency and higher throughput yields significant (multiple hours) speed up in training time.
If I could afford some hard stuff and have a drinking game based on how many times :"basically" or "Obviously" or "quite frankly" is said I may not make it through a video. The word Nah-vey has also made a return..thats two shots! LOL. Just kidding Paul! I wish you would set up an account on Odysee so many of us can start avoiding youtube because many don't want to give them ad revenue. They screw over creators.
...and extremely interested.
One way to raise CPU prices
Intel has higher average unit sales price in client cpus than amd. People are voluntarily paying more for intel cpus.
AMD seems to have given up on GPUs. At most they would do something for professional AI and Datacenters. Gaming is futile with AMD. Doing another Polaris out of RDNA4
Untill any of the Cpu & Gpu companies create a power efficient hardware that draws les and less power which means less TDP and high performance, I will never buy anything from them yet, this is just stupid that they need to increase the power to gain performance????...
I guess they are stucked with ideas to make the possible efficiency to performance hardware so instead they make us buy a power supply large enough to run the entire house on it just to run the stupid HUNGRY computer hardware in 2024.
LOL😂
Whats the point of 1500-2000$ GPUs when only like 0.1% of people can buy them? Like seriously.
You do realize that there is a very limited supply for the high end right? Its not like they can make an unlimited amount of these cards. Its often based on the yields and what is trickled down from the data center stuff. Demand is high, supply is low, basic economics would tell you that prices go up as a result.
At this rate, I feel Intel will catch up to AMD GPUs then surpass them in a few years.
Yeah they are already surpassing them in Xess quality vs FSR interesting how AMD seems to fortifying its position in the $499 mid tear with rdna 4 and PS5 pro to compete with Battlemage 🤔.
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Intel GPUs are probably about 4-5 gens behind architecture-wise
They ain't catching up any time soon. They can however make up for it by giving you more silicon for less money as they are doing currently
@@Violet-ui They are releasing improved drivers with significant performance gains almost every other month. It's AMD'S market share to lose imo.
@@aberkae I am all for more competition, but I ain't holding my breath
@@aberkaefrom launch until now all I'm seeing is on average a 10fps increase through driver optimization but that's assuming AMD isn't also optimizing their drivers to improve FPS
Gimmy a 12gb 399$ card Nvidia can't come close to competing with without loosing money
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No will care less about rdna5 any one who wants a high end card will get a 5090 5080 5070ti when they come out or just after NVIDIA will have a year to sell these cards before rdna5 is out and this is from someone who as a 6900xt.
My guess is that AMD is probably trying to do what they did with Intel, where they caught up and then released something with 10 percent more performance. If Nvidia is not careful and doesn't really double the performance of rtx 5090 from 4090, they could be in trouble.
Yeah, Intel is for low end, AMD is for mid-range and NVIDIA is for people with FU money
The vast majority of the market is mid to low end. Simple as that. All AMD needs to do is have a decent supply of cards.Literally anyone not wanting a $1000 or more would be interested.
Due to the fact that amd in rdna 4 abandoned the high end, as an owner of rx 6800xt I will buy rtx5070ti/5080 (depending on the ratio of pricing and performance). But then I very much doubt that there would be a point in switching to rdna 5. It will sooner make sense to wait for the next generation of nvidia, because amd with what it has done practically discourages simply to seriously consider them in the consumer gpu market. Optionally rdna6, but only if amd would do something special and finally clearly beat nvidia in rt and raster. Given the size of both companies' budgets and NV's ceo obsession with being first in everything - such a scenario is highly unlikely.
If they make a 9900 xtx I would get that
Cancelled as it, no chance of beating Nvidia anyway.
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