Paradigm Premiers Performance and Value with 800F & 500C Series Speakers Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- There is no shortage of floor-standing speakers in the $2k/pair price range, yet Paradigm has come full force with their Premier Series to stand toe-to-toe with the best. Using technology trickled down from their acclaimed Persona series, Paradigm's Premier line allows audio enthusiasts to get some of the high-end sound of the Personas but without paying the high-end price tags. We take a close look at the Premier 800F floor-standing and 500C center speakers to determine if Paradigm pulled off a sonic miracle in the Family room of the new AH Smarthome.
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Just bought a pair of these and I am very, very impressed. They are very accurate, with great detail throughout the frequency range without being bright or shouty. I'm continually impressed with how natural instruments sound. Saxophones come alive and the sound of upright bass strings buzzing against the fingerboard makes it sound like the players are in the room with you. I can listen for hours with no fatigue whatsoever.
As an Audiophile I find anything thats not Macintosh, just fair.
@@michael-4k4000 McIntosh is overrated, the sound is not plane, is a taste but I find Primare with better quality than McIntosh
I too am using the 800f’s, and I’d say they’re the best towers I’ve owned.
@@cama9545 🤩 incredible. Can’t wait to hear the Founder 120h. I might wait 20 years before I buy another speaker for stereo.
@@mayssebmasenya9132 those 120H’s are endgame speakers, so badass.
I like how you have your room set up. It’s not a cold sterile feeling environment. It’s warm and homely feeling.
Have the 200B bookshelf version of these set up in a stereo system. Absolutely love them.
I've owned a pair of Signature S2's with a Studio Sub15 for some time now and couldn't be happier...well a pair of Persona 9H's would be nice. Thanks for the upload, it's nice to know Paradigm still rely on work rather than marketing.
Beautiful system! Although I'm surprised you didn't go with the white (storm trooper) models to match your room. Either way, good stuff. Enjoy!!!
Got the Premier 800f’s and 600c in my family room in the same espresso finish. Great speakers all across the board. The biggest selling point is my wife literally loves the look of them so much. She hates everything audio, but she said that if we put these speakers in our home, she’d be ok with it. So just like that, I bought them. lol
Great for movies and TV and the occasional music streaming.
I have a pair of Polk Lsim 705’s in my 2 channel basement setup and those are still my go-to for heavy music listening sessions, but I’m more than happy with the Premier’s handling the rest of our audio needs in the household. 🔊
How do these Paradigms compare to Polks?
@@igorerovenko I can only really speak on the Lsim’s because I haven’t had the chance to demo many Polk speaker lines, but they take a slight edge for music listening, imo.
Bit more lively and energetic soundstage yet, not bright sounding. Don’t get me wrong the Premier’s are great for music too. A bit more neutral and laid-back compared to the Polk’s I have. It kinda just boils down to what your ears prefer for music listening.
@@BuckyJoe00 Thanks. I have 705s, so comparing to these gives me an idea regarding the Paradigms.
I dodged a bullet not getting married.
I have been using Paradigm Mini-Monitors for 7.1 surround, with Paradigm Titans for overhead speakers for years. Once I win the lottery, I hope to upgrade to something that is more modern and Paradigm will always be my go-to systems.
I’ve been a mini monitor fan for many years.
Great review Gene, and as usual a proper and thorough review! As a Paradigm owner I can appreciate it more than some, and it seems as though they are keeping up with their accuracy vs cost, and of course build quality! 👍👍💪💪
Yes sir my whole house is paradigm, I have paradigm elite5 in my living room and elite 3 as my center channel and 4 in ceiling brillum 8" speakers. I also have the persona 3f in my master bedroom with 2 jbl in wall ssw-4 for subwoofer. Upstairs gameroom I have same setup in the living room as I have in gameroom I have 2 jbl ssw-4 in wall subwoofer. In the living room I have 1 dual 15 seaton subwoofer with a 4,000 watt amp. Theater room I have 7f for my front stage and persona c for center channel my front stage is monobolck with M1 for each speaker and I have (6) elite7 for my surrounds I have (6) elite3 for my dolby atoms I have the new MCA 525 driving my surrounds I have the pva8 driving my atoms. And my whole rack is anthem. I also have a naim unit driving my 3f in my bedroom that is about 70 percent of systems. So I love anthem and paradigm I just can't get the rest of my products. I have been a fan of your for over 9 years watching and learning thanks I love your home. You always do it right
Those are strong words. This company was founded on value. How do they stack against previous versions of their line
I own the Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-8000F in my home theater room and like them for movies and two-channel. I wish I could have auditioned these as well. I am considering the Founders for my audio two-channel room. I loved the 5-speaker roundup form a few years back that had both of these in it. Disappointing RBH has decided to stop making their entry/mid level products (also in that roundup with BW and SVS). So many quality $2000 per pair speakers out there.
Glad you showcased these in your home. Paradigm just doesn’t get the love and they make such great looking and sounding speakers. I have the 800f/600c setup on Parasound power and they punch well above their class. Came down to KEF R7/11, B&W 702s2, Prestige 95/85 and the 800f. It was a no brainer. These play in $4-5k range and the bang for buck helped put the Parasounds in the rack. As you mentioned they do like mating with the three SVS subs and for the record I also took KEF R3’s for my much smaller stereo room. Next stop, Founder 100f. Can’t wait to take the 800f’s toe to toe with them. Pretty sure the Founders will make the cut!
What did you like about the 800fover the KEF or the B&W? I'm considering if I should try out the 800f or jump straight to the Founders for my living room home theater setup. It's a huge bump in price but I'd rather buy once and not always wonder what I'm missing out on.
@@Smellslikegelfling the 800f/600c combo just punched way above its price point. A $2k speaker pair going at it with $5k speakers blew me away. If you can get something this great for $2k out of Paradigm Premier, just think what Founders can do. If I were to do it again, I’d be chasing Founders 100f. It’s closer to an end game speaker.
@@jeremymckean3574 I'm waiting for my 5 speakers , stock in storm in Buffalo (2024), can't get them for 20 days already , pair Founder 120H, founder 80F, founder 90C, I have Two 15'' REL HT series subs, and Anthem avm70 , and Anthem 525 gen2 AMP.. so far 5.2 set up....
Thanks for the thoughtful review. I have owned Paradigm Monitor 11 v7 for many years as part of a 7.1, 12.5 ft x 18 ft theater. Have been very happy with them. However, I'd like to upgrade and I'm keen to understand your impressions of the Founder series relative to the Prestige series. Many thanks for your continued commitment to HT and your candid reviews and perspectives related to the hobby.
I have the monitor 11 v7s now and am waiting on the founder 100fs and 90c that I ordered to come in. Check out audioholics forum thread for paradigm owners. I and others have been posting about this very thing. I personally liked the prestige 85f and the 100f is better to me, but what did it was the 90c vs the prestige center. No comparison imo.
I have the Prestige 85Fs and have been very happy with them.
I almost bought the Paradigm Premier 800F. Amazing sound and value especially when compared to the new Founder 80F at twice the money. I now am breaking in the new Paradigm Founder 100F. Again amazing value and performance compared to the Persona line-up of Paradigm speakers. The 800F and 100F’s are the sweet spots in Paradigms 2nd and 3rd tier of speakers imo.
How would you compare the Founders 100F to the Premier 800F? Worth more than double?
@@Smellslikegelfling I’m enjoying the 100F’s right now. I auditioned the 800F at least five times along with the 80F and 120F. Its a huge jump in budget but the sound quality goes way up. You cant go wrong with either. If you have the budget consider the 100F’s.
I wanted the 800fs and was dead set on them.....then the founders came out. Now I'm waiting for my 100fs and 90c to come in. I can't wait. Found a great dealer and got an awesome price on them, really made it a no brainer to get the 100fs for me.
I owned a pair of Polk audio RTi10s for 15 years and felt it was time to move on. I had 3 brands in mind Golden ear, Bowers & Wilkins and Paradigm. I brought the Paradigm Premier 800Fs home first. After listening to them for a matter of minutes my wife said “these are the ones”, couldn’t argue with that. Love them.
Just ordered a pair of 800F's. Have had previous experience with Monitor 7's... they are beyond expectation but they are also about 15 years old. Going to Bi-amp these with a Sony ES receiver. Will post my experience after I have broken them in. Stay Tuned!!!
This is a coincidence. I just ordered these three speakers from my dealer today. I'm a little pissed that they gave this series no love with the available finishes. A nice matte black wood is what I like. I hope I don't regret piano black.
Edit: I'm replacing my 20 year old Energy Connoisseur C-5 front & Connoisseur CC-1 center with these. I hope it's worth it.
This isn't really about this video but it's your most recent post so I figured chances were highest to be noticed here. I have a question about "system resolution". In certain audiophile forums I constantly get denounced for trying to dissuade people from believing that exotic cables and interconnects do have noticeable audible effects on your system and you worry about other components.
The number one factor I am constantly told as to why I personally can't detect the difference between cable swaps is become my system isn't resolved or have high enough resolution.
Here's my system: Windows PC Streaming Amazon HD -> USB to audio Interface (Native Instruments Komplete Audio 2) -> 1/4 to RCA cables feed my NAD C372 - > 14 gauge speaker wire feeds PSB Stratus Gold(i)s.
Those that promote cables also tell me I'll never hear the cable differences because I'm streaming from a noisy PC and using a USB DAC. I should someone eliminate USB all together and I suppose get a stand alone streamer + DAC that uses coaxial cable, only then can I stand a chance to hear what cables can do for a system.
Is there any validity to this?
I’ve been happy with my Paradigm Studio 100 V5’s, could you give a comparison to these? Thanks for all that you do for us Gene. I’ve been following you for a long time now! Years in fact!
Gene, thanks for reviewing these. In my 7.4.6 setup I have all Paradigm speakers, however, I have the Prestige 95F and 55C for my front stage (replaced by the Founder’s Series (twice as expensive) but the jury is still out as to whether they are noticeably better. I also have 6 of the Pro P80A for my Atmos channels and you are right, they are fantastic!
I thought the founders were pretty boring comparted to the prestige, almost too perfect.
Thanks Gene for doing this. I love Paradigm and Anthem and there are very few reviews (that I can find) for these brands. I’m waiting for the Founder 120h pair to be driven by the Anthem STR stack. When I’m ready to build home theatre, I will be looking at the Premiers to have something like what you’ve built here.
Lovely room by the way- the furniture looks beautiful and warm.
I've had the 800f with defiance x12s for about a year and a half, after about 12 years with Monitor 7 v6 and a dsp-3100. I added the 600c about 6 months or so ago. Im running them with a Denon x3500. I've got a pretty decent sized room (approx 16x27) and the way the speakers fill the room and beyond is quite impressive. The 600c is the first center channel I've owned after 13 years with just towers, and I was somewhat skeptical of the beneft. Needless to say, I am wowed every time a good surround movie is playing. The price I paid was more than when this review was done, but I feel the price is fair and for my budget, I couldn't be happier with these speakers. They sound incredible.
The 500C and 600C are fabulous center channels. I'd take the 600c over the Founder center even if you choose the Founder towers.
@Audioholics that is a very bold statement to make and though I'm sure you may have some science to back it up, I am quite surprised to see you say that. The 800f don't hold up against the 100f.
@@douglaseaton1581 Please re-read what I wrote. I never stated the 800f is better than the 100F founders. The 600C is a better center than the Founder LCR, however. 600C w a Founder 100F system would be superb.
@Audioholics yeah, sorry. A little confusion there, when you said Founder center. I thought your statement was comparing the 600c to the Founders 90c, not the 70lcr. Which, would be understandably surprising as the 800f are not in the same league as the 100f.
I am an old school Paradigm Monitor 8 / Mini Monitor owner... and always wondered why Paradigm never got more press. They by far are one of the best value speakers on the market for the longest time. If I ever "upgrade" it will be another set of Paradigms. With this brand, you just buy them, and enjoy. Great review.
I still have Paradigm Reference Studio 80 speakers. They are still amazing.
If I hadn't bought my Revel Performa3 setup, Paradigm was the next speaker company I would have bought from. Great company that believes in the science of speakers and audio in general like Harman! I'm interested in what you think of the Founders series. The dealer I bought my Revels from didn't have those in stock at the time.
Love my Arcam amp
Great review---I'm a Paradigm home theatre listener, purchased my system waayyy back. I have the Monitor 5V.3 tri-speakers left and right, and a matching center channel for good tamber between the three. My 5.1 system has rear speakers that have always been a challenge using some small non-ceiling mounted Paradigms, but I think you solved it. I'm now looking into the angled in-ceiling Elite E-80s to bring the rear sounds downward at a 30 degree angle. My room is similar to yours, with large area rug (without the elaborate sound absorption fixtures on the front wall), and like yours, have the rear of the room open to the kitchen. Need an active filter with amp to produce out-of-phase dish washing sounds coming from behind me! Thanks, Mr. DelaSalla.
Nice setup. I use the Prestige 15B for my fronts and surrounds, and the Paradigm SE Center as my center channel in a basic 5.1 setup powered by an Anthem MRX 510. This is a fairly new system to me, and it's blast watching movies with these speakers. I'm surprised how wide and loud the sound stage is from the 15Bs.
I have the premier 800f and 600c and I love them. I had the studio 100v5 before and I like the premier better. I run them with an Anthem MRX1120 and an adcom gfe 5503 for my front stage and they sound incredible. These do sound more like a 5 thousand dollar pair of speakers.
Really? You actually like the 800f better than 100 V5? I thought the 100 V5 would be a step up to the Premier and not the other way around.
@@teslaliveus860 yep, they're better sounding. The studios just have nicer cabinets.
@@teslaliveus860 Obvious a Studio Reference are much better quality than premier line. That guy doesnt know what he talking about.
You want better than studio? You must buy a Founders line. And than you will have a slight upgrade over studio line.
I'm using Signature series with berilium tweeters and thisbguy probobly will tell me that his Premier series is also better. 😂😂😂
@@sheerenergy8602 I thought so. I have the Studio 10 V5 and the Prestige 15B, and I find the Studios sounding a bit clearer than the 15Bs while those have better sound stage and bass. I highly doubt the Premier bookshelfs will sound better than the Studios and be almost on par with the 15Bs.
@@teslaliveus860 Paradigm just change their product lines to hide anormous price elevation to whole their range. And when you dont know what line is which, you can missed with your purchase.
Studio series was exchanged to Prestige and prestige to Founders with some heritage from Persona line, like for instance active amps for low frequency.
Paradigm won 13 years in a row prizes for best bang for the buck, and that was from 1990 to 2002.
After that they manufactured great speakers until about 2011-13 with still very good price to sonic abilities( Studio v5 and Signature v3).
No if you want Paradigm, you must pay for the well known logo and you can forget about that "inside track" value award.
But hey, they are still cheaper than Focals by a smige. LMAO :)
I'm running the Prestige series 95F and 55C and upgraded from the studio100v3. Expensive but the best sounding and visually the best looking speakers I've ever owned.
I found Prestige a bit bright when I heard them. Premier to my ears are the most neutral speaker I've heard come from Paradigm.
@@Audioholics A coworker of mine bought a Premier system and I look forward to hearing them for comparison. The Prestige towers and center are running off a Anthem MRX740 and MCA325.
@@Audioholics Maybe they sound bright in some systems, but they higher quality than poor premier series.
That brightness can be tammed with r9m acoistics, grills on, electronics and cables. But you dont listen to cables. You only mesure them and ending with lower class speakers.
I used to drool over the Signature S8. But I was bummed when it was discontinued. But this seems like neat technology..and it's a lot cheaper. So maybe I'd be better off looking into getting 800Fs someday.
S8 and 800F are in different leagues.
Gene had made a huge mistake choosing those low line paradigms speakers. He should go for the founders line and You should too. Nothing lower than founders.
If you dont have enough money buy second hand studio series like 100s5.
Dont go lower than old studio line. Between monitor series and studio was a huge gap, and so between premier and founders.
Thanks for your thorough review… I have the 800 F ‘s. I’ve paired them with a Rotel RA 1592 Mark ll integrated amplifier. I also am running a Rotel tribute CD player and a Pro Ject turntable.
The speakers have not disappointed in the slightest. Looking to add a small subwoofer down the road as well as another set of bookshelf speakers to run into another room. Thanks for your video.
I have the Prestige 95F’s but not the matching center. I’m planning to trade up to the Founders 120H and the matching center. Can’t wait for your founders review
If you like your prestige, you will NOT like the Founders. If you think your prestige are too bright or detailed than you will love the founders.
I have the Paradigm Monitor 9 V7 and they sound great!
I have those in ceiling paradigms. Been pretty happy with them!
Good to see that Paradigm keeps designing and getting better. What else but a Canadian speaker works for Rush! Okay, many but just not surround sound for Rush. My first Paradigms were Se3's Around 2011. Then Studio 20 V5, then Studio CC590 center. More recent Prestige 95f's and cc55 center. Se3's blew me away. Now they are my surrounds. CC590's are now up firing from behind my couch. My Prestige 95F's sound better to me than all the older models. You can make them sound any way you want. I think its because of the aluminum driver. They look like the RVH's! With Premier and now Founder they changed. I have not heard them to compare. Would like to know how they stack against previous lines too! But won't likely give up my 95F's It took me all my life so far to get to have them. So my fronts and center are Prestige and my surrounds and rears are Special Edition and Studio. Nice mix to my ears.
Gene - brand of the wall acoustic reflectors. I want those for my room. Thanks!
super cool wall/treatment, indeed!
Excellent production quality on this video. I have an a complete set of Paradigm Monitor 7 v5 that I got 2nd hand, backed up by an SVS PB10. They've served me well, but I've always felt they don't have enough output for my large open concept living area. I've been looking for a new pair of towers in the $2-3k range, maybe a little more if I can justify it. The hardest part for me is finding a place that I can audition speakers. Gene, I live in Florida so hit me up if you care to show off your system. Maybe I'll hire you to help me sort out my own speaker situation.
@@andrewlantz123 Nice. Was there a difference in sound, or just more of it?
Great video, thanks. How do you think those speakers compare with the SVS Ultra towers and Ultra Center … pretty much exactly the same price point? Thanks again.
I've had both, the ultra has a very different midrange than most hifi speakers. I think the svs is too laid back for my tastes especially for an HT focused brand. I struggled to hear dialect through the svs center at lower volumes, where as the paradigm 600c is crystal clear. Drums and bass impacts sound bigger on the svs ultra towers but MUCH more accurate on the 800f. You can hear what drums actually sound like through the paradigms. They are both similar in the upper registers, very smooth for an aluminum tweeter, but the svs sounds synthesized. If you only listen to club music, and always have it cranked you'd be happy with the svs. If your musical tastes are more open than I think, long term, you'd be happier with a more accurate, 800f, than the svs. The center on the svs ultra lineup is an absolute letdown.
The premier series is proudly designed, engineered, and crafted with love in 🍁 Canada 🇨🇦!! A rarity these days!
What's the paneling on the wall?
Diffusion and decorative
@@Audioholics But who makes the paneling, manufacturer?
Could you please review the Focal Chora 826?
The Focal has a very open and bright sound. The upper is almost harsh depending on the amp.
I had a set and did not like them. I went with the Kef R3's
Great.
Take care
Review canton ergo
will b updateing my system latter this yr with founders series
These speakers sound amazing for their size.
I really like your installation !! Funny enough, as I have : Marantz SR8015, Anthem 525 Gen2, Paradigm CI Elite E5-LCR for the front (x4, in-wall) , Paradigm CI Pro P80-R (x6), Sub JL Audio e-112 (x2), for a 7.2.2 system. Very happy with Paradigm & Anthem & Marantz...!!
I will be upgrading to these soon! Got paradigm monitor v9 and they have been great! Just recently renovated the home theater room with 4 svs pb 2000 pros an need a speaker with a little more punch to keep up haha
Can anyone show where to get that couch the long one in the middle looks amazing comfortable
I have paradigm prestige series 85f 45c and prestige surround. Not sure if you had a chance to listen to them.
Thanks for high lighting these sleepers Gene. Like others have mentioned there isn't a lot of marketing out for the premier line but oh boy they pump some sweet sonic bliss. I'm pushing them with a Nad 275bee pre-outing w/ a pioneer elite SC LX 704. They sound EXCELLENT and you are correct they really do need a dynamic amplifier. I tried first my adcom GFA 5800 but the bass response was lagging. Denon poa 2400 made them definitely sound warm but the 275bee just push ever driver in the cabinet as it was made to sound. The sound stage is extremely generous. I'm a actually looking for another amplifier, a 3 channel to power my vintage LCR6 S2 & the 800Fs . Anyone have some thoughts on
As a Canadian, my goal is to upgrade to Paradigm from my Polk RT2000p with powered subs. Have not decided on model yet, was looking at the F85's
Very helpful review. I have ARCAM AVR40 and looking to upgrade from Klipsch speakers
Which surround and height speakers would you pair these with? I wish they had a super compact bookshelf and an angled baffle speaker in the same series.
Another great review Gene! I currently have a 5.1 system dialed in : 4 x 800F and a 600C (powered by the Denon AVR-x6700h ), with a Rythmik F18 subwoofer. I want to add four Dolby Height speakers and a VoG speaker directly overhead. Room is a family room that is relatively same size as your family room. You mention you like the CI Elite 60Rs and state they are firing straight downward. Do you prefer that over ceiling height speakers that can be angled towards the listening position?
The Elite 80s are angled toward listening area and are used as surrounds, the 4x Elite 65s are downward for Atmos. I find this incredibly effective.
I have the 800fs and 600c in my living room in a 5.1 setup for now. But what you’ve got sounds awesome. I clicked your channel to see if you had any videos showing your setup and sadly I couldn’t find any videos. I just subbed your channel though, just in case you ever post anything. If you ever post any videos showing your setup, I’d love to get your feedback on what you think of your setup. Sounds awesome based on your description! 🔊
These speakers are beautiful may be my next set
Thanks for the video Gene, I have a similar living room with no side walls where I intend to setup my HT. I understand that I'd be losing out on the side wall reflections, just wanted to know is it going to be bad or i shouldn't worry about it too much.
Hi!! Great videos, keep up the good work.
I'm trying to decide between the 800f and the SE 8000f. In your opinion, which one is more musical, refined and works better with slow music? I want them for a stereo set up, just for music. Will add a v10 sub to them. Thanks in advance. Cheers
how they are compeard to the svs prime pineacle?
im using the 800f for the living with the 500c its amazing for the price! with a anthem mrx
Hi Gene, thank you for the great video. I have been looking at these speakers for some time. How would you compare the Paradigm Premier series (800F towers, 500C center channel, & 200B bookshelf speakers) speakers against the Heco Aurora series (1000 towers, 30 center channel, & 300 bookshelfspeakers)? I am still trying to decide which system to purchase. Can you please advise?
Currently using Studio 100 V4s and CC690. All using 7" drivers. Guessing these would be stepping down? 😬
Hi Gene,
I can remember you have interviewd a person one of the high end audio show. That was his first audio show. He had white single driver floor standing speaker. It was a europe brand. You are the only person who interviewd him. I cannot find that youtube clip. Can you remember the brand?
Gene I know you’re very familiar with the Yamaha RX Z11 and was hoping it’s a good match with the paradigm founder 100f . I hope it’s enough power to drive the speakers , what are your thoughts ? Or is the premier 800f better and easier to drive ?
hello and congratulations. I would like your opinion .. this Premier series compared to the RP series of KLIPSCH (RP 800f, 504c and 600m as surround) how does it come out? winner of a lot or not? I am quite satisfied but not so much with the 504 and I would like to understand if it is necessary to change everything. I use a Mrx 704 from Anthem (maybe I will add an MCA 325. best regards
Gene, I've narrowed my choice of replacement mains for my dedicated HT down to either the 800F's or the Polk r700's. Any thoughts on comparisons?
This is a system/room dedicated to film watching exclusively.
I hope he answers you. These speakers are beautiful. I'm down to 3 speakers to replace my system as well. These, the Polk R700 and the Arendal 1723 THX line
@@USMCPFC1 No svs ultras in the running...
After a few more days of reading and waiting reviews I have swapped these out of my lists and replaced them with the SVS Ultra.
New list in order
Arendal 1723 THX
SVS Ultra
Polk R700
I don't have a dedicated theater room yet just the living room 😅😅
I like the aesthetics of the arendal and love the idea of 8 inch speakers for my center. The SVS is a close second because of price and has a 3 way center.
I like the look of the Polk r700 better than the SVS ultra but the center channel is 2way on Polk, and if I can't have a 3way with some 8's I'd take a 2 way with some 6 1/2 half price being equal. From what I have gathered these 3 speakers fit my hearing tastes?? The best as well as aesthetics.
@@USMCPFC1 My room is the antithesis of dedicated and I plan on using a different center channel anyways. I'm either going to use the LSIM center or upgrade my C1+ to a C2+.
Hi, thanks for the review. How do paradigm 800F floor standing speakers compare to Polk Reserve R700? Which one is better for both movie and music listening in stereo? My amp is Audiolab 8300a.
I have the same speakers and I am very satisfied with them. Can you please tell me what did you put undernearh the central? Does that improve the sound? Thank you.
The Paradigm tonal highs will warm-up a bit and sound better once they are broken-in
Wow cool stuff…. Are we looking at a new reference at this price level?
Think this would be really coo,for my #2 system 😎
I have the 700f towers with the 500c and the set is great for the price.the imaging across the front is seamless.I couple of weeks ago I heard the top of the line founder(passive)in two channel and they sounded excellent,the bass extension was unbelievable. I’m looking forward to your review,because I believe the founders bested the personas(not a side by side demo though)
I have a similar room layout with the kitchen behind the main tv/living room and also looking to do a 5.2.4 system with all the Atmos and rears or sides in the ceiling
Do you have anywhere your speaker layout?
I have the Paradigm Monitor 11v 6 with cc390 center and adp 390 rears ! I'm looking to upgrade to these but would like the larger 600 front center should I make the leap?
They sound great!
I am considering these speakers solely for music. How would this handle music by Sade for example?
Great Gene as usual. Thanks.
Are the 100b are good surrounds for this towers
love Paradigm! have Paradigm in walls.. so good.
Which out of the three would you prefer? Klipsch rp8000f vs SVS Prime Pinnacle vs Paradigm 800F?
Paradigm makes great speakers. Period end of story.
I found an old complete set of paradigm speakers at a pawn shop for 250 dollars. They're over 20 years old but they still sound great. Well worth it.
Wow! I thought Paradigm had closed their doors years ago. I hadn't heard a peep about them since the late 80's. Must be just their distribution and promotion pattern in the NE.
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Im a long term paradigm owner since owing a pair of 11se mkii , but the days of being able to listen to this stuff ahead of time seem gone. I bought these same speakers about 2 years ago without auditioning them, and I struggled for a long time to get the sound I wanted.
Gene is 100% correct, the speakers are dead flat on the frequency spectrum. The part that I couldn’t get right was the lower bass below about 80Hz. I couldn’t get the woofers to move with a drum kick, or a fat bass line. By cranking the bass knob (Anthem MRX 720) I was boosting stuff above 80Hz, and that wasn’t getting me what I wanted. Why cant 800F’s get down there?!?
I’m fundamentally against crossing over a floor standing speaker and letting the sub do the work… because then why did I buy a floor stander? You might be better off buying the bookshelf version as the 200b sound that I heard was about the same as the 800F in the bass department, but I didn’t A/B directly. If you want to hear a very similar speaker, listen to the Martin Logan 40i’s at the big box store. In fact, I was a/b ing these two speakers and lost track of which speaker is which… until turning the bass up. The ML’s gave me a little more of the bass tuning that I wanted, and of course the ribbon tweeters are just a little tiny bit more resolving.
As for center channels, the 500c did much better at male voices than the ML 30i. The 500c is a really good speaker and I had no problem with that. I really think the 200B and 500C would be perfect together.
Anyway, I ended up buying much more expensive speakers (2.5x the price) and now I have what I want.
PS, if you are in the LA area, I still have my trio for sale ;)
The 800Fs aren't designed to be full range speakers. They work incredibly well with a pair of subs.
@@Audioholics Thats interesting. So then what's the purpose spending more on the 800Fs vs the 200B bookshelves if not for more low end?
Since my receiver won't pass a sub signal while listening to music, I dont rely on it for my low end.
@@RobertoGonzalez-bg3zh more output and midbass. Your receiver will pass bass to the sub if you set it for 2CH. Watch our videos.
Hi I’ve got a question, I’ve got a pair of JBL ES100 tower speakers (125w RMS). What AV receiver has 125w per channel at 8 Ohms? Thanks!
If you could get Revel F208's and a C208 used for the same price as these, which would you choose and why? I've never heard and can't demo either before buying. I could really use some help deciding. (I have a full Klipsch RP 5.2.2 home theater setup in my living room currently and looking to upgrade) Thanks for any feedback in advance!
As a Revel owner of the F328be, I'd stick with the Paradigms over the F208s.
@@Audioholics - Wow, I'm kind of surprised to hear that from you. I always thought you were a pretty huge Revel fan, and on paper they seem like the better speaker. Says a lot I suppose. Thanks for your input! 😉👍
@@midevil1980 the F328Bes are a bit disappointing so far, mostly due to their somewhat anemic bass response. I guess I'm just more impressed with the Paradigms punching above thier weight class than an expensive speaker that hasn't in my listening experiences.
@@Audioholics - I can totally understand that, I'd probably feel the exact same way in that situation.
Gene how would the outlaw 5000 amp pair with these
I’m glad that Paradigm is back to making measurably accurate speakers. Now only if B&W would follow…
How steep are the discounts for all the equipment in this home?
What are discounts?
Love my 800f’s
It's been some time since the review back in Jul 30, 2021. How has time treated your listening experience with the Premier 800F floor-standing and 500C center speakers?
Still love these speakers very much and miss them. I gave them to a close friend who helps me out with installation work and he loves them too
Why do a video on paradigm and not give links to them but give links to other brand speakers?🧐
Paradigm doesn't sell direct.
What is the name of the songe at de beginin thans
Who have this and klipsch RP series?
Gene 🧬 with your JL subs, any speaker would sound better because they the bottom end is where speakers suffer the most. Can you try them with other sub $1000 speakers as well and let us know what you find! Thanks
I bought a pair last year with blusound streamer, I think an upgrade to the 500c is a good option. 👍 agree they sound great, and don't need to be played loud to hear the depth. Using a 3B sst2
Revel F36, Paradigm Premier 800F; or, SVS Ultra Towers? 90% movies, 10% music -- on a Yamaha 135w Integrated Amplifier.
With that amp, 100% paradigms! Not even a question, I've owned both. The SVS need 300 rms to get the party started, when you do they have a massive sound and bass but with that little of power you won't even get them moving. The paradigms are more forward and detailed than the revel, revel is VERY laid back. If you have sensitive ears than they are your ticket. For 90% movies, just buy the 800f already, you won't be upset, just keep in mind they take a full 100 hours to sound their best.
Hi Gene, I am trying to decide between Polk Reserve or SVS Ultra for my home theater, Can you provide some advise?
I have the 706C and 702F/Xs from Polks LSiM line, amazing center that the reserve line can't touch and the sides are amazing. You may still be able to grab for $300 or so.
Use svs setup, personally a better buy not only in overall build quality but excellent sound performance
I can help! I actually have all three at my house right now. Polk r700 - neutral, right down the middle sound, great bass but that's with a 300 rms monoblock so ymmv, r400 center sounds ok but can't quite flesh out details like the r700 tower. SVS ultra tower - sounds like someone put a pillow over the singer in just about all music or movies, this effect is super noticeable after listening to the paradigm and polk. The svs center is the biggest letdown, hard for me to describe but it sounds like something isn't quite right, all of the time, sometimes a voice will sound ok then in the same scene it doesn't. The paradigm has less bass extension than the other two, BUT it has a ton more detail and punch to the bass. You can hear what a stand up bass or a kick drum sounds like, you can actually hear the size of the instrument instead of a "thud" like the other two. Both the polk and the paradigm are more accurate and to me sound more natural in the midrange, where most of the music is. Build quality on all three is ok. The finish on the polk is laughable compared to the svs and paradigm (if that matters). So to sum it up, if you never heard the polk or the paradigm, or any speaker with a flat response, you'd never know what you were missing. Once you do though, I don't think you'd be able to even listen to the svs in passing without thinking something was wrong with the speaker. It's not that flat measuring or accurate speakers always sound the same because that's not true, but they always sound better than ones with poorly designed crossovers or lumpy response curves (SVS). The cabinet of the svs will fool you into thinking you've got a great piece of equipment for the money, you get a great cabinet for the money, the rest is cheap chinese parts, iron core inductors and sand cast resisters on the crossover are no better than what you find on the $150 speakers. For me the Polk or the Paradigm are better choices. The paradigms are made in Canada which I respect and think is amazing for the price, they didn't make excuses. I really like the Polk for what they are, and a ton of people will love them, but A/B to the 800f you can really hear a lot of detail go missing with the polks. I spent a lot of time with all of them and more speakers, and those are just my opinions. I hope it helps!
A tall floor standing speaker system should have a bass driver that goes down to at least 30hz.
If you noticed, this isn’t what I’d call a “tall” speaker. And we’re talking about a $2000/pair speaker.
I'd rather have one that is far more detailed and accurate, also subs do bass better than any tower due to being able to move them around where they sound the best. Bass in a room, almost never, sounds best coming from the same location as the prime location for your mains.
Also, in room they do go down to 30hz, I get minus 5 db at 25 hz in my 24x14 room. Paradigm measurements are anechoic as opposed to in room like most companies.
@@sturdyvw multi sub is really needed. makes a huge difference
Gene, it looks like you take care of yourself physically. It's time to just shave your head and own it man. Love your work btw.
Paradigm 800F were definitely on my list for consideration but I ended up getting Chorus 726 for half what the 800F cost.