Walk away. Don’t argue or try to change their beliefs about you. If they cared, they would ask you for your side of things. Walk away and never allow any of them back into your trust. You are worth far more than that and when choosing new friends, you will have learned how to recognise the signs.
I’ve been struggling trying to find the way Jesus wants me to handle a narcissist friend. I know I need to walk away. I’ve had decades of church teaching that everything negative I think about a person is being judgemental, even though I know it isn’t , it causes guilt and second guessing the Spirit’s leading. But this has helped me see the truth of the whole situation clearly at last. I tend to give 50 second chances, no more. My health has paid too high a price.
True friends are hard to find. I have really only got one that I think would remain loyal and that's because he has a narcissist wife himself so he understands what I am going through. He's also very brave and gutsy and prepared to speak up for what he thinks.
All my family and friends are turned against me. They avoid talking to me. My beloved husband died a few month ago .Now I'm completely alone and don't know what I have done wrong .Its easy to say distance ! But I never will find new friends again! Whom I can trust now?
@@sabinabaltavonbulow3484You're in a marathon, not a sprint. Take your time. You will be grateful that those gullible flying monkeys showed their real face without THE MASK. Cut your losses if there's anything of them left
That "friend " was an enemy the whole time and possibly secretly competed with you. Just a distraction , always walk away from those types of "friends ".
Excellent advice. I would add that confronting a narcissist is never recommended when one is recovering from their abuse, you just end up feeding them your energy, they thrive on our emotions. No need to wash our hands, we already showed this evil our very best love, we need to move on and let them go, find the kinder spirits in this world and heal. God will understand that our no response to the narcissist is the response and is the act that cleanses our spirit. Let God be the judge.
Yep. I'm a fighter. I don't believe everything I read in all circles or anything like that. Yet, like you pretty much say, that is giving them the "narcissistic SUPPLY," if you keep engaging! LIKE THE LINE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE 'WAR GAMES' FROM JOSHUA, "THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY!" (Talk about shutting down the cocky shut downer person! Grand slam home run back at them!)
A narcissist should not be told or corrected. They should just be avoided, for all the bad things that they think up, and can say or do to you and everyone else that they decide to target. Go no contact or gray rock when you are able. Don't befriend one. They will to turn everything and I mean every innocent thing that you express into something good about them and it's mostly deceitful too.
In my case I learned years ago not to even engage in any dispute. Because I would hear my narcs side of the story for the next hour of why he is right. And then I would leave hurt bewildered and confused. Even when it was discovered in front of them they were in my place without permission. When I questioned the person that revealed it I said was I there. And they said yes and I argued no I wasn't. All of this in front of the narc. I could have easily blew up rightly so but for the sake of the person the with health conditions I left it go. I was deeply hurt and never trusted my narc again. Now I am separated from my narc and family. This is my healing time. This narc has even turned my family and friends and any else that I know against me. I know that God sees all things. It's just me and God.
It’s even more sad when a narcissist turns family members against you. This is what has happened with my sister-in-law. She has turned my brother against me 😔
I’m dealing with a similar situation! My sister-in-law is the narcissist in our family and she’s turning most of our other family members against my husband and me :(
Same here. My brother used to be so funny and so loving. Once he got together with his wife, he has cut off our entire family, including his niece and nephew, slandered me and more. He has claimed that she told him if he ever talked to us again, she would take the children and leave him. How much of that is true? I don't know... I do know that either he or his wife unfriended me on social media and then claimed I'm the one who did it.... Nuts I tell you.
Sad as it is when this happens I try to recall what I learned that is” other people’s opinion of me is none of my business”. True friends won’t believe the horseshit, lies and smear campaign. As you said, walk away.
That is exactly what I did and cut off all contact 10 years ago today. I knew the Lord would take care of me and deal with her. Friends told me after words that she had called them and told them things and local friends and people at church knew more about what she was saying and I didn't have any idea what what going on. Thank you Lord for your comfort and care and blessing me through it all. Everything was my fault and I lost count of how many times a day I would say I'm sorry to her, but it didn't change anything. I had no idea what a narcissist was until I started to research TH-cam video and all the professional help available on line.
I once forgave a friend who believed the narcissist over me. It was a bad mistake, the way I ended up losing that friend for good has been one of the worst experiences of my life and it has been years and I have not been able to recover from it. Other people who have let me down but I let it slide ended up letting me down in a more severe way later. All I can say if this happens once, consider it a blessing, don't act out, just remember to keep low expectations for those people and match your efforts towards them to be just as low. If they one day admit that they were wrong, then you know they deserve a second chance, if they don't, then you have been prepared.
I hate to hear your words of advice because I know that they're going to ring true. Just lost my best friend to someone I introduced her to. She doesn't want to hear a word from me. She is afraid to hear the truth and threw me out like I was garbage. I have gotten over a lot of things in life but this is going to affect my quality of life for some time. Thanks for your words of preparation.
I was concerned about "turning the other cheek" and spoke to my very wise and experienced pastor many years ago. He told me that, while God wants us to forgive others, as we have been forgiven, He doesn't tell us to place ourselves in situations where we know that we will suffer. He told me to forgive my sister and all of the people she had turned against me, and then to stay away from them. It's taken many years to stop being distressed by the whole thing, but I don't have to listen to the lies any more
As a Christian, my family has mocked and maligned me. Defense of lies are useless.I came to That conclusion that I had to walk away for years. My own family members were believing lies about me and told me to my face they believed the other party. I no longer have the relationship I once did , knowing that they were so ready to believe the liar over me.
@@gailblunt2133 Same here, unfortunately for me too. But at least I got to find out who my secret enemies were all along. This is priceless! Better late than never. My new NO CONTACT shield is ruffling some feathers
@@AZDC99 I've been no contact with my family since 2014. The only one's who truly loved me were my paternal grandparents who passed away before my awakening to narcissism.
They were obviously hatefull and envious of you. LEAVE them in the dust. They will pay in due time. NEVER let any of them back in or they will do it again. They showed you thier true faces DO NOT QUESTION YOUR JUDGEMENT
Yep. So hurtful when people who should know you, believe the lies. I think it was Mark Twain who said it’s easier to get someone to believe a lie than to accept they’ve been lied to. Still waiting on those real friends....
I recently got some new church friends. I’m dreading the comments my father will make to them after he’s grown to be very charming to them. He loves to make comments about my behaviors and claims he knows me all so well and even says super nice things about me in public. It all feels like a lie. It hurts me to hear anyone complement me at this point. I just start dreading the insults and harsh critic they will give after.
It's the hardest when you realize it's your own mom who does this and has been doing it to you all your life. I feel like I have no family because they all believe her lies and twisted reasoning.
The ex turned my family against me and my sister did the same thing . I realize they both have NPD. I walked away because I cannot handle the abuse and lies! Life is much better!
Exactly the same. I escaped abusive EX husband for the last time when I saw baby was in danger, we was finally safe via a refuge & off exes radar when my sister phoned him up after bait/ switch & discarding me as i needed alone time to heal! My sister & aunt paid ex husbands court fees to battle me and my child in 3 year court battle, despite being moved to safety by police. What an eye opener of a betrayal when at the lowest, most vulnerable point in my life! Honestly they could make a film of my life that would prove the existence of God, without Him I'd have been dead from childhood... forgive, but to forget would be foolish, even Jesus shook off the dust 🙌🔥✝️❤️🙏
All so true. Betrayal is the worst emotional pain. One feels so desperate, alone, and helpless. Thank you for your kindly presentations. They are reassuring.
4:15 "The friends that aren't worth having are those who will listen to lies and slander about you." Thank you for saying that! Just had to make one of the toughest choices of my life and get rid of my FORMER closest friend in my adopted home of Phoenix for decades. Yet saw evidence literally behind his back of what was going on in clear ways. (I'll spare you EVEN the abridged version of it... I am so pissed off still in some ways.. but I'll get over it fast) So glad to see you support/INSPIRE people like myselfwho dealt with this in former friendships or in a relationships. Helps my FINALLY walking away be less painful
My Mom did this to everyone in my life, but separated me by from my own son for years and years. I have never been able to show him the truth. I lost my relationship with my son for ever. She is deceased, but my son will never see it. She poisoned my siblings and even the counselor I went to. It was hard to forgive her. She was a Christian Therapist, so very dangerous.
I have the same "mother"....she was working on my 14 year old daughter the whole time turning her against me when I finally woke up and went no contact. My daughter is now 22 and the relationship we have is stable but damaged. I can't talk to her about anything except cats, or the weather or the movies, etc. Nothing deep or with heavy truths. Also the liberal school system didn't help matters any. They helped turn her into one of these black haired "goth" people with face piercings when formerly she was a beautiful blond. My heart hurts about this every day of my life. It is unspeakably horrible when they do this to our own children turning them against us. I wish I had woken up earlier, I could have saved my daughter.
So did my mother and she passed away 3 weeks ago not before she completely smashed my life to picses. I have no contact since 2017 All I can say is keep your chin up and build your life strong, healthy and happy. Stay away from Sick people even if they are so called "family". You are the best and healthy one!!! Silence is your best win! Grow, Grow, Grow Hugs and love to you From ISRAEL 🇮🇱,💞💞💞💞💞💞🙋
I am going through the same thing right now. My ex-husband has turned our two children against me when I have raised both of them for the last 20 years without child support from him and barely any time from him for the kids. But I swear to you, my mother has something to do with this. From the start of his campaign against me, she has tried to talk me down and talk me out of getting the law involved and has covertly takien his side and made excuses for him. I feel it is her way of getting revenge on me for calling her and my dad out for allowing us and pushing us to be babysat by my grandmother and her late husband, (he sexually abused us). I called her out on it one day in my later years. I asked her, “why did you continue to let him come around us after you knew what he did to us?“ “Why did you ask grandma to babysit us when you told me numerous times over the years that, “ grandma was not a babysitter. She didn’t want anything to do with babysitting the kids.“ So why do I have these memories of being babysat by my molesting grandfather? Why do I have these memories of sitting in his lap while he did whatever he wanted to do with me, my sister and cousin? Never once, in these memories, do I ever remember her being there. I was left alone with him. My sister was left alone with him. My cousin was left alone with him. Where the hell was she? But all these years, my mom and dad talked about how much she was “a saint”...how “holy” she was. She knew what she was doing. She just turned a blind eye and deaf ear to it, so she didn’t have to deal with it. So she could do what she wanted, and not be bothered by children. When I called my mom out on all of this, her response was this… “People just didn’t talk about these things back then“ and that just magically made it all OK? To her it did... I don’t care what generation or Century you were born in, it’s never OK and it is never excusable. I think she has hated me ever since then and has had a burning vendetta against me ever since. Because she cannot stand the reflection she sees in the mirror now. She knew better, and she still did it, to get whatever she wanted in the moment. And now, me and my sister and my cousin and God knows whoever else are stuck with these memories for a lifetime.
My own mother alienated me from all other family members including the extended family...everyone has been told how bad i am...i live alone in this world...just me, God and my daughter...it's lonely especially when your own mother does this to you but life goes on nevertheless.
First of all you are not alone because the Lord is with you. But I get it. Lots of other people including myself have to live a lonely life. Have to meaning a decision was made in order to keep our sanity and our health. It's like we have to pretend we don't have family anymore. God is our vindicator. I wish you the best.
@@di4085 We aren't pretending. We literally don't have family anymore. In fact, we never did. We were born orphans with a fake "family"....that hated us. Just like Cinderella.
@@reesedaniel5835 I am so sorry to hear that. I know it's painful and I myself want so much to have a real family. We have to find within ourselves strength along with God to give us that strength to move forward and find real relationships.
My mother did a lot of narcissistic things. She got on a greyhound when I was three and moved us to another state. No friends or family. She made it work somehow and we put down roots. She was always abusive I never got like a spanking from her it was a beating. Closed fist to whatever she could till I hit the ground then she would kick me. The things children convince themselves of as normal is scary. Holidays birthdays and special events were especially hard. I tried running away and did pretty good when I was 13 I had a baby sitting job and I cleaned houses. Then DGACs got involved and I had to go back. Then she took my money to pay "bills" so I was still supporting myself in the same bad situation. Until she beat me from head to toe literally I was black and blue from my shoulders to my ankles. The school called DFACs they left me in the home but the next time I ran away they did not send me back and just checked out my new home. I was 15. It has been me against the world ever since. I broke generational curses. I constantly work on myself (it keeps me humble and less judgemental) and I raised two children of my own. It was not always pretty I will be the first to admit. There were so many lonely times even with children. Now I get I'll if I don't get enough solitude. Now I'm 54 and my hard life is catching up health wise. I fear I'm about to get a new learning curve. The only thing I do know is one way or another I'm gonna be okay. Jesus saved me years ago and he has never let me down.
Me too. Born into this crazy. Not 50 years old yet and I've had it all taken .... malignant narcs are soulless God bless you. You get a double wammie when you get blessed by God for losses and hated for gifts and blessings given. I have found this ... prayers and healing to all 🙏🛡⚔️✨️✨️🎀✨️
I am 54 years old was raised by a narcissistic mom who has turned my whole family against me including my three children I raise including anybody I knew and anybody I meet she makes sure to get involved with them and she does just like the speaker said she starts out speaking nice things till she's confident with the person then she starts telling them all these lies horrible things that's not true I was a good kid not to hear her tell it I was a nightmare I really was a good kid I was a good adult and a good mom she has literally destroyed my name my reputation and my character she has dug a pit her and my oldest daughter threw me in it and I would say they're throwing dirt on me trying to bury me alive after 54 years I finally said enough spoke up really spoke up but it's too late I want to leave this town and start over but finances don't permit at the time I kid you not anytime I go to the store or anywhere and run into anybody I know it's always the same thing I get eye rolls nasty eye rolls nasty complaints or they just avoid me as they roll their eyes as they walk by but that's mild compared to other situations I really need prayer I need a whole chain of prayers please pray for me thank you and God bless you all
Happened to me with my children, I never knew until someone told me about this, it took me a while to recognize, never an apology, never any remorse. I went into quite mode, and things changed radically. Divorced now, working to get my financial life back together. Its a no win situation. Let them go.....let them go......let them go........run ......run......run
The sad part is, everyone, including my own father, sister, friends, etc didn’t even come to me to tell me. They just believed him, and when I filed for divorce they all turned on me. I never chased them down. But after 4 years they still haven’t come to me to get my side of the story. You don’t even realize they are doing these things behind your back for years. It’s so rare to find true friends these days. Sad.
Realize they aren’t your true friends to begin with. If someone loves & cares about you they aren’t buying the narcs BS. If they do they should tell & ask you not just ignore you their friend. Nope!
I lost most of my friends a few years ago due to a few narcs spreading slander about me to everyone they could - even my medical professionals were pulled into the sick game. Oh, and it all started with my family of origin. It's hard to trust anyone right now, but I'm learning what not to do. It's a good start.
Yes I thought my aunt was the sensible one in the family due to her using phrases my mom used and counsellor speak, sadly only when she tried to destroy me did I realise she helped put my mom in an early grave. That's why Jesus said don't cast your pearls before swine, they use your pearls of wisdom, virtues and mannerisms to garner support against you. Chillingly evil when we seek only peace. GOD ONLY IN FIRST, second and third place! 🙏
Thank you for this great info, it was not my imagination! I had a narcissist boss, whenever someone came to talk to me, she would stand in doorway & start talking about herself. Always bragged about herself, share all compliments she got from others. After a while I noticed employees weren't as friendly to me & were avoiding me more & more. I thought it was me, but I look back now & know she could not stand the attention I was getting, she must have spread rumors about me that people believed. Thank You.
This is a good series. A Pentecostal term for a Narcissist may be also a person with a jezebel spirit. Of course people in psychology circles do not accept the spiritual realm, but these people need deliverance more than anything.
There is a concentration of narcissist in the church. All they have to do is pretend to be a Christian and they get away with whatever they want. Jim Jones ring a bell?
@@fbicontacted7690 That's because the Bible is available to them and they easily hide behind people of Religion. In my experience, Religion hasn't saved any..
@@lonniecoyne454 You're RIGHT! The Bible says, "Religion" Is the Worship of Demons.....ANY RELIGION.....BUT,,,,,KNOWING,,,Jesus Christ as my PERSONAL Saviour is a RELATIONSHIP......AND,,,I DON'T have to go to ANY church to do that....GOD'S Word is the BIBLE, HIS GOSPEL PREACHES.....🙏 and I'm NOT against finding a full gospel church out there,,,but Good Luck...BE LED...🙏
I went thorough this with a sibling. It was so hurtful, but thankful that her friends and mine seen right through it. It is very hurtful though. So glad I found you on here. This is very helpful.
Thank you for making these videos! They help a lot. In my case it’s a coworker trying to turn everyone against me, it’s tough to deal with I’m stuck in a room 8 hours a day on eggshells with this person. She’s an alcoholic. And the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever met.
5:30 'You go to the narcissist and you say, "Hey, you're spreading lies about me."' Thank you because this is exactly what I virtually just did. I've read that some say, "Say NOTHING OR ELSE that will give them narcissistic supply" or some nonsense like that. But when it's one of your FORMER closest friends doing it, I'm so glad to hear someone else go against the "be more passive-aggressive than they are or else you have failed to NOT HAVE given them narcissistic supply" nonsense as I walk out the door. It's nice to see that someone else is not just part of the hive mind of anti-narcissism. Thank you for this video
100% This narcissist supply term is very weird lol. A popular buzz word at the moment. Telling the narcissist you know their game and what lies they're telling others, will hopefully stop them in their tracks. Or you need to go to your friends to quickly give them a "heads up" on what the narcissist is likely to lie about you. It's a horrible feeling finding out they've lied to your friends and family about you, before you realise what has happened.
What works is to tell them "MY REAL FRIENDS " are telling me such and such and they laughed and joked about how you must be the the stupidest jackass in town for thinking anybody would believe your bullshit
Don't give the devil a stick to beat you with, answer not a fool according to his folly... Jesus opened not His mouth, they know you are right, they come only to steal, kill and destroy - they will lie and say a totally different narrative took place, who do you think the lier will portray in the positive light? They play dirty. Please, please, please stay safe 🙏 ✝️
If they turned your friends against you, then they were never your friends. I have this experience first-hand and have totaly disconnected from those "friends" . The narc in this case did me a favor and helped me weed out the bullshit.
Honestly I wouldn't want a friend that is not smart, perceptive or analytical enough who can't decipher a narcissist. People like that I really wouldn't have much in common with anyway, so it's really their loss more than mine, if they judge me before wanting to know the facts for themselves. Yes, it can hurt, but maybe we should thank a narcissist for helping us weed out those "friends" . They can all have eachother, lol.
I listened to this again because I remembered one of the things the narcissist does is try to keep us away from their friends. One time I began a friendship with our daughter's friend and she acted like her friend belonged to her and I didn't have a right to become friends with her friend. She introduced me and we hit it off of a time and I thought we could all be friends. According to narcissists their friends belong to them and no one else can have them, its very strange.
Sad to say the majority of the friends you have when the narcissist goes to them qualify for those not worthy of having. Of course you don’t know that until this happens and it is extremely painful but it happens more often than people realize.
Yes I moved well away from a street bully who was town gossip. Everyone in my street was told a lot of lies and her jealousy was overwhelming. She had the whole street against me. Her workmates all knew about her and the trouble she caused was well known. I have peace now in life. 41 years i put up with her evil.
This is happening to me now one by one he is convincing my friends,it's not only bad enough to cope with there abuse and gaslighting to then realize your friends wasn't real as well,thank you for the video and 🙏 to anyone else going threw this
I had this with the narc turned most people against me . One of the so called friends ended up being the next victim ! And has now started talkin to me again . She has done exactly the same to him i call that justice . Now everyone knows what she is !
I have lived what you have discussed. 45 yrs with a Narcissist husband and his narc mother. In fact the whole Family qualifies as such. He has now passed away.....and I am free. Leaving behind a family with a high ratio of Narcissism and all the dysfunction that goes with it. Slander and stalking has been their mantra since I moved away No Contact of any kind from me. It is best to just walk away and safer too. No engaging no defending no explaining no personalizing is the very best way for me. The Lord has protected me and guided me through all these years. Praises to God for He is Faithful to His own Thank you!!!😊
Yes that is exactly the conclusion I came to as far as how they recruit your family and friends….they can’t outright start with criticism because that would get them turned away. So they start with praise, build rapport, and then raise doubts. I’ve experienced this first hand.
You just described my family...I've lost them all because I REFUSE to accept their artificial reality based on their slander about me...I hope in God to defend the truth.
Going through this as,well. My husband's daughter turned numerous people against me because she couldn't control "Daddy" . I was extremely good to her and her brother but got stabbed in the back. Really tired of people saying, well their Biological mother told them to act this way. Not so in my case or the cases of many other people. At the ages of 26 and 22, it's time to have a mind of your own. But as you said, these people aren't worth it.The stress they give. If they stabbed you once, they'll do it again! Let them go.
Thank you … and he went to my friends in this victim mode and my friends feel so sorry for him and so thankful he came to them to express his pain… never once realized that he was manipulating them because my friend was the paster and in a position of power and my husband wants to look good when in reality he abuses us
Thanks so much......We are presently leaving a church with a narcissist pastor. This is exactly what is happening to us with friends at the moment. I saw signs, but did not listen to my own discernment. It has been a profound lesson and I am grateful for it. God has been very close to us and I know finding your words today was a part of His plan. I feel stronger for listening. God bless.
Thank you for starting the video by going straight to the point. I have listened to countless of videos on the narcissist, yet I love it when I hear a new way to explain the inevitable mess that we find ourselves in. Thank you 🙏
This is so true! Yes they do and even your own children....but if someone is dedicated to hating you they never really cared about you anyway. ... I watched God's justice in the end... .My advice as a long time victim....."Do not touch Mine...." as God's Word puts it 🙏🏼🕊💗
I have felt sorry for narcissistic people but these people exist in all walks of life. They enjoy showing off and saying 'Look how popular i am compared to you' i find it best to ignore them, and am doing so as i write this...but the people whom truly know me, couldn't be bought or sold by any narcissistic person, and thats all matters to me!
Thank God none of my friends believed him. They were his so call friends, and the joke is on them who believe his lies because they are being mailipulated by his lies💯💯
God bless you for this. I've been through this all my life with my mum and even though she is a Christian, she blames me for every little thing that has ever happened to her and when I was little/ teenager I couldn't handle the pain because I always try to be obedient and do every chores in the house yet so always found something to base her pain on and abuse me verbally, physically, emotionally and psychologically. I did attempt suicide so many times until I began a relationship with Christ. Now as an adult, she's even far worse and lies, manipulates and even ask me what shows she physically assaulted me as a child just because she doesn't see the marks. It's exhausting how every word that comes out of her mouth towards me is lies, insults, curses and complains. What hurts the most is she is the one who tells and disgrace me to whoever knows or likes me and wow into me If I even try to explain my side of the story. So now I don't talk at all. She turned everyone in the family against me especially my big brother who was like my best friend and I love so dearly. Now I don't even want to talk or have any sort of conversation with him or anyone because frankly I'm tired and the whole scenario is draining and It's bad to the extend that I always feel bad when I try to defend myself and I tell the people she complained to what she actually does to me. It's insane. I've surrendered it all to Christ though. It's in Your hands now Lord. Amen.
Sorry for what you've gone through. I understand completely. I hope you find peace now you're on a new path and wish you all the best. You deserve it. Stay strong.
WHY dont y ou leave.there are other towns and places to go other then right in their neighborhood.I did and now I can just be myself. ,obody knows about it.They judge me and like me for who I am.
@Ben Hurn Really good points raised Ben. You (not you personally) can say what you like but if you act horribly towards the innocent there is only punishment awaiting you. Better a millstone ...
My sister had these characteristics when we were little children. I finally just looked up the characteristics and found out what was wrong with her. She is now.78 and it is unbelievable what she’s done in her life to hurt people. She married a man who died and then she was very very rich so she’s able to hurt more people. I’m glad you guys are on TH-cam explaining this to people.
Yup had a friend like that she tried to turn my friends against me when I ended our friendship now she keeps talking trash about me.just glad we are no longer friends
When a narcissist turns a friend against me? I'd force them all to hear my truth and let them make their own choices. The narcissist will not come back in my life and those lost will be left to choose.
My neighbour ofv40 years a well known narc humiliated me in front of my neighbours re being spiritual. She went into a euphoric state knowing 5 of them agreed with her.. this woman is well known at her work place for causing trouble she loves power and putting everyone down. She is 70 and still working. A lot of the neighbours here have left because of her.
Great advise - thanks! I can only say 'Amen' to that... So blessed to find so many Christian's advise on Narc... in dec 2019-jan 2020 there were hardly any Christians... God Bless You David!
WOW! Praise God! This was a blessing for me. Explaining this from a Christian perspective helped me so much. I pray this channel thrives and helps so many victims of this!
Thank you ! This is the first godly advice I have ever seen regarding what to do when a narcissist tells lies about you in order to turn your family and/or friends against you. A close family member who is a narcissist made me out to be a horrible daughter, etc., in order to turn my mother, who had dementia, against me in order to convince her to cut me out of her will and leave her considerable estate to them--it worked! I loved my mother and did everything I could to protect her (I lived 500 miles away, while the family member who was turning her against me lived with her and was physically abusing her). In spite of my contacting Adult Protective Services in her state twice in an effort to protect her, she ultimately died due to the neglect of the family member who was living with her and telling her lies about me (that I didn't care about her, etc.) It is almost impossible to combat these lies when the person smearing you lives with the person they are attempting to turn against you, while you live in another state. The family members who were turned against me eventually saw the truth about the abuser who was attempting to turn them against me, but it was too late--my mother died as a result of this person's abuse and neglect, and I ended going to court and eventually the persons responsible for her death were held accountable. But my mother died believing that I didn't care about her, etc. This all happened 16 years ago, and I have never recovered from the trauma of being lied about to my own mother by a family member that I trusted. Thank you for helping me to deal with this most difficult trauma.
I am so sorry to hear that you went through all of that. Honestly I thought I was the only one going through it. After reading all these comments there's a lot more people dealing with this issue then I realize so we're not alone. Yes it's extremely painful. But it's just the Lord and I.
That person’s day is going to be coming there narcissism will catch them up. I hate people like this, they’re vultures. They only did it to steal money it’s disgusting.
The only way to deal with this and for you to find peace after all these years is forgive. God sees all things and He can give you favor and bless you in ways that only a Heavenly Father can. Believe me I'm going through something similar like your situation right now and I've come to the conclusion that I have to separate myself from all family members. It hurts but for my sanity I have to do it.
@@di4085 sorry I got so emotional, I had somebody personally get personally take advantage of because they were getting close to their death and it makes me sad to see people like this, taking advantage of the people and their own resources because they are entitled to something they don’t deserve and this is not based on being selfish this is based on not only doing the right thing but caring for someone. I don’t want somebody to die in their own deathbed and look at family members fighting each other because narcissistic Machiavellian or Socioor psycho tendencies it’s heartbreaking and it’s sad I don’t want that for them. I want them at least in someway to die in peace but that’s my personal opinion.
Hey David this is very good stuff. You have a wonderful gift there. I couldn't find a single thing I disagreed on not saying that I am in any way an expert. Just watched hundreds of videos on YT. Good to get it from the Christian perspective - very insightful.
Thanks for sharing this. I understand all you are saying, and it makes total sense. It is just hard when the lies are being told to your adult children. My goal post-separation and divorce was to always protect my kids and grandkids and not bring them into it...not put them in the middle. Sadly, even 10 years post-separation, the attempt to divide our family continues. Very painful. Very difficult. I am now being avoided; not sure what has been said about me, but I know it is causing them/my kids confusion as well. I remain silent. I know something is happening, but I have not been asked any questions.
Sometimes silence is the worst thing you can do, especially if your kids are confused. If they only hear one side of a story and the other side is deliberately keeping quiet they have no option but hear the one version and maybe even believe the lies since there is no other ‘version’. If you respect your adult children, treat them like adults by speaking to them like adults, having a mature discussion with them about what is confusing them. Do it in front of a therapist/ counselor to let them know you are for real and authentic about clarifying everything. Narcissists will never do this in front of a 3rd party especially one who can see through their bs. If you think you’re ‘protecting’ them by ‘not getting them involved’ by not telling the truth, yeah no. They are already involved, to an extent and are being confused and possibly damaged and by you keeping silent is doing the opposite of ‘protecting them’. In fact as adults by you denying them the truth by keeping silent is actually disrespecting them, insulting their intelligence. My Mum told some terrible things as she was dying, terrible things I was deliberately lied to, as an adult, to protect the vile abuser (my father), and the way he forced my mother to abandon her own mother into a nursing home when she was capable of caring for herself and living with them. My Nan, (mum’s mother), would never allow my father to be his usual abusive self while she lived with them. I lived overseas at the time and if I’d known what was happening I would’ve and could’ve helped my mother. But she chose to ‘protect’ me and protect the abuser (as usual) and lie. Meanwhile it would’ve torn her apart. It did, she was truly heartbroken and full of regret when she passed. I loved my Nan, she was my protector from my violent abusive father when she and her darling husband, my step grandfather visited. It is what is so terribly common in the world, people not revealing the truth, people telling half truths and people outwardly lying and people keeping silent then wondering why they lose connection and relationships end with loved ones. Keeping silent the abuser, the liar wins.
I'm going through this now. A man who was a friend of my son's needed a place to stay. He had all kinds of horror stories about where he was living. It was only after I let him use my son's old room that people began to talk to me about him. He was lazy, refused to help with the housework, argued constantly and verbally abused everyone. When I stopped loaning him money, then he started on me. He had repaid money, then refused to claiming he had no work. I told him to find something. I cannot afford to pay his way, as well as mine. After things began to disappear thanks to his drug abuse, I told him to get out. He refused. Then he lost the house key. One night he went out and I bolted the door, then started to pack his stuff. The key was lying right in the middle of the bed. He did lose it, but it was a sign to me I did the right thing. Then began to find body oils and eyeliner and so on.
only two of us born are not like that. I am just now learning more about it because I had to move back.I wish I knew this back in 1970. ... so sorry for no one ever told me. good to know that those friends were not real friends after all.
Yep...i noticed this happening when i broke from my Narc step mother & walked away & went radio silent...one by one everyone i knew turned against me..& some told me why, it shocked the crap out of me, not only the lie, but that these people who knew me for so long would suddenly believe something so outlandish, coming from a known chronic liar & her convicted drug dealer son.....they should know i would never even think of doing whatever the current lie was. First thought in my head when they fall away is..obviously they were never real friends to begin with..& truth be told, it was all one sided.....after the fact..i can now see that. First one they all called, ..i was always there when they needed somebody or thing, helping them with one issue or another( & they Were Needy)....but when i was down..nah....crickets..
Yep isn't it funny how they automaticly believe and swallow the narc's huge steaming pile of BS lies and instantly forget ALL the good things you did for them over the years......this one has always left me scratching my head. The only thing that makes it make sense is that they secretly hated us all along.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." 1 John 2:19
My dad destroys my relationships, he wrecked my mom. I haven't heard anyone explain this so clearly before. Thank you. My father has been doing this as long as I can remember. Not just to me, but others, like simon the sorcerer who bewitched people and wanted a following. He acts benevolent and concerned to others ( winning their confidence as you said), and uses them to gather more information as he needs a constantly new supply of things to twist. This gives him something to talk about to others and keeps him the center of attention, keeps his ego stoked ( he can act superior), and gives him control. Now I'm suspect of some people who want to get close because I don't know who his " flying monkeys" are ( people he has befriended and taken in). Its an aweful way to live. I did have freedom when I worked and he had no access to anyone I knew. Some people give me the creeps, saying things that sound just like him, others I dont feel that way about. Not sure if thats from the Lord, or from experience, or how much I may be wrong about people.
I feel insane, my father is a narc, my mother justifies him, and both claim to be Christian’s, both are well educated Christian’s, but there is no doubt within my mind that my father is a narc. (I also believe he’s a sociopath which makes it frustrating for me) I can’t confront him even though God says I should, because he won’t admit wrong over even the smallest things. It’s always turned around to me. Makes me question whether I am in the wrong or not. Coming back to videos like this is the only solid ground for my sanity at this point. Because they remind me why I know they are in the wrong and that I’m not crazy.
I don’t wanna say this and this is my personal opinion, Jesus was talking about him in the Bible, he is the wolf in sheep‘s clothing and he calls himself a Christian, but he thinks he can do no wrong, that’s not a Christian and it never will be a Christian. Sad to say he could end up in hell and because of his narcissism and sociopathy. I even wonder if these individuals are cursed there’s no way you could go to heaven and have an ego there’s just no way. I’m not going to say that it’s impossible for him to get right with God and, truly right, but with that said, he’s going to go to hell and I don’t want to say that but knowing how this disability works you cannot have Jesus and have pride they just don’t go together.
@@freedomdude5420 I agree but I still question it, wondering if maybe I’m wrong and I’m just the one making problems out of nothing. It’s so weird. Whenever I’m around them I get such a dark aura, it drags me down and everything that I do and think becomes cloudy. But today, I was sitting with my good Christian friend in church and I felt… good? Like, I just felt okay and happy. I don’t really feel that around anyone. I also have a similar experience whenever I go to this special Christian camp, everything just feels breathable. And YET, even with my body and gut telling me these things I still wonder if maybe I’m just wrong. Ya’know?
@@artscraftsgaming7169 I think the only way to help him is through prayer, you can’t help him through physical means, I don’t mean like hitting or anything, I mean talking too or complete ostracization of society. All I can say is, they need prayer and you need to trust in God because at the end of the day they’re sick and they need help. It’s just that they’re the worst people to deal with, because they think they don’t need help they’re blind by their pride and it’s sad to watch. I quote this to people. Those who say, they don’t need help, are the ones that need it the most.
Now we know exactly what Jesus meant in Matthew 10:37 when He said: Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."
Walk away. Don’t argue or try to change their beliefs about you. If they cared, they would ask you for your side of things. Walk away and never allow any of them back into your trust. You are worth far more than that and when choosing new friends, you will have learned how to recognise the signs.
I left the job didn't need it.
Exactly. Not worth your time or energy.
I’ve been struggling trying to find the way Jesus wants me to handle a narcissist friend. I know I need to walk away. I’ve had decades of church teaching that everything negative I think about a person is being judgemental, even though I know it isn’t , it causes guilt and second guessing the Spirit’s leading. But this has helped me see the truth of the whole situation clearly at last. I tend to give 50 second chances, no more. My health has paid too high a price.
Let it go... If they believed them without asking you, let them go. They were never your friends.
Maya Angelou once said, “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.”
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Yes sir 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 If you believe it in the first place.... you were never a friend. Anyone who entertains my enemies is my enemy.
True friends are hard to find. I have really only got one that I think would remain loyal and that's because he has a narcissist wife himself so he understands what I am going through. He's also very brave and gutsy and prepared to speak up for what he thinks.
All my family and friends are turned against me. They avoid talking to me. My beloved husband died a few month ago .Now I'm completely alone and don't know
what I have done wrong .Its easy to say distance ! But I never will find new friends again! Whom I can trust now?
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@@sabinabaltavonbulow3484You're in a marathon, not a sprint. Take your time. You will be grateful that those gullible flying monkeys showed their real face without THE MASK. Cut your losses if there's anything of them left
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Yes if anyone can believe lies or thing’s without talking to you, forgive them and move on from them. They are not true friends. 🙏🏽🕊
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That "friend " was an enemy the whole time and possibly secretly competed with you. Just a distraction , always walk away from those types of "friends ".
Excellent advice. I would add that confronting a narcissist is never recommended when one is recovering from their abuse, you just end up feeding them your energy, they thrive on our emotions. No need to wash our hands, we already showed this evil our very best love, we need to move on and let them go, find the kinder spirits in this world and heal. God will understand that our no response to the narcissist is the response and is the act that cleanses our spirit. Let God be the judge.
Yep. I'm a fighter. I don't believe everything I read in all circles or anything like that. Yet, like you pretty much say, that is giving them the "narcissistic SUPPLY," if you keep engaging! LIKE THE LINE AT THE END OF THE MOVIE 'WAR GAMES' FROM JOSHUA, "THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY!" (Talk about shutting down the cocky shut downer person! Grand slam home run back at them!)
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A narcissist should not be told or corrected. They should just be avoided, for all the bad things that they think up, and can say or do to you and everyone else that they decide to target. Go no contact or gray rock when you are able. Don't befriend one. They will to turn everything and I mean every innocent thing that you express into something good about them and it's mostly deceitful too.
In my case I learned years ago not to even engage in any dispute. Because I would hear my narcs side of the story for the next hour of why he is right. And then I would leave hurt bewildered and confused. Even when it was discovered in front of them they were in my place without permission. When I questioned the person that revealed it I said was I there. And they said yes and I argued no I wasn't. All of this in front of the narc. I could have easily blew up rightly so but for the sake of the person the with health conditions I left it go. I was deeply hurt and never trusted my narc again. Now I am separated from my narc and family. This is my healing time. This narc has even turned my family and friends and any else that I know against me. I know that God sees all things. It's just me and God.
@@di4085why do you call them “my narc?”
It’s even more sad when a narcissist turns family members against you. This is what has happened with my sister-in-law. She has turned my brother against me 😔
I’m dealing with a similar situation! My sister-in-law is the narcissist in our family and she’s turning most of our other family members against my husband and me :(
Me to. It's totally sad. I had to grieve the loss of my brother even though he lives less then two miles from me.
Same here. My brother used to be so funny and so loving. Once he got together with his wife, he has cut off our entire family, including his niece and nephew, slandered me and more. He has claimed that she told him if he ever talked to us again, she would take the children and leave him. How much of that is true? I don't know... I do know that either he or his wife unfriended me on social media and then claimed I'm the one who did it.... Nuts I tell you.
My mother turned everyone in my family against me. No one talks to me anymore.
@@PIF95 same with me!! It’s sad
Sad as it is when this happens I try to recall what I learned that is” other people’s opinion of me is none of my business”. True friends won’t believe the horseshit, lies and smear campaign. As you said, walk away.
If anyone at all could turn my "friends" against me, they obviously were not my friends.
Do absolutely nothing. Just allow the Lord to vindicate you. Find new friends.
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That is exactly what I did and cut off all contact 10 years ago today. I knew the Lord would take care of me and deal with her. Friends told me after words that she had called them and told them things and local friends and people at church knew more about what she was saying and I didn't have any idea what what going on. Thank you Lord for your comfort and care and blessing me through it all. Everything was my fault and I lost count of how many times a day I would say I'm sorry to her, but it didn't change anything. I had no idea what a narcissist was until I started to research TH-cam video and all the professional help available on line.
If your 'friends" believe" the lies, are they really your friends? Time to find real friends, not a lot of them, just some good ones.
4:14, right. Friends that arent worth having.
I once forgave a friend who believed the narcissist over me. It was a bad mistake, the way I ended up losing that friend for good has been one of the worst experiences of my life and it has been years and I have not been able to recover from it. Other people who have let me down but I let it slide ended up letting me down in a more severe way later. All I can say if this happens once, consider it a blessing, don't act out, just remember to keep low expectations for those people and match your efforts towards them to be just as low. If they one day admit that they were wrong, then you know they deserve a second chance, if they don't, then you have been prepared.
No they do not. They will gaslight you cause they want back in. FULL STOP
I hate to hear your words of advice because I know that they're going to ring true. Just lost my best friend to someone I introduced her to. She doesn't want to hear a word from me. She is afraid to hear the truth and threw me out like I was garbage. I have gotten over a lot of things in life but this is going to affect my quality of life for some time. Thanks for your words of preparation.
I was concerned about "turning the other cheek" and spoke to my very wise and experienced pastor many years ago. He told me that, while God wants us to forgive others, as we have been forgiven, He doesn't tell us to place ourselves in situations where we know that we will suffer. He told me to forgive my sister and all of the people she had turned against me, and then to stay away from them. It's taken many years to stop being distressed by the whole thing, but I don't have to listen to the lies any more
As a Christian, my family has mocked and maligned me. Defense of lies are useless.I came to
That conclusion that I had to walk away for years. My own family members were believing lies about me and told me to my face they believed the other party. I no longer have the relationship I once did , knowing that they were so ready to believe the liar over me.
I had to look to be sure this wasn't me posting
@@gailblunt2133 Same here, unfortunately for me too. But at least I got to find out who my secret enemies were all along. This is priceless! Better late than never. My new NO CONTACT shield is ruffling some feathers
@@AZDC99 I've been no contact with my family since 2014. The only one's who truly loved me were my paternal grandparents who passed away before my awakening to narcissism.
They were obviously hatefull and envious of you. LEAVE them in the dust. They will pay in due time. NEVER let any of them back in or they will do it again. They showed you thier true faces DO NOT QUESTION YOUR JUDGEMENT
@@gailblunt2133me too 😢
Yep. So hurtful when people who should know you, believe the lies. I think it was Mark Twain who said it’s easier to get someone to believe a lie than to accept they’ve been lied to.
Still waiting on those real friends....
Yeah friends are overrated. I'd like some nice loyal friends too.
I recently got some new church friends. I’m dreading the comments my father will make to them after he’s grown to be very charming to them. He loves to make comments about my behaviors and claims he knows me all so well and even says super nice things about me in public. It all feels like a lie. It hurts me to hear anyone complement me at this point. I just start dreading the insults and harsh critic they will give after.
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It's the hardest when you realize it's your own mom who does this and has been doing it to you all your life. I feel like I have no family because they all believe her lies and twisted reasoning.
Yep. Im there too. And no one checks them because "she's your dear mother"
I’ve had this problem….exactly…but its made me construct a better life..
I totally feel you, I have a sister😢
I was reading comments and thought this was mine … I have the same situation… I want to forgive but I can’t forget and pain stays 🙏
so true. im %100 guilt free though i used to think it was me now i know it is about her all her nothing to with me, now im free.
The ex turned my family against me and my sister did the same thing . I realize they both have NPD. I walked away because I cannot handle the abuse and lies! Life is much better!
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Exactly the same. I escaped abusive EX husband for the last time when I saw baby was in danger, we was finally safe via a refuge & off exes radar when my sister phoned him up after bait/ switch & discarding me as i needed alone time to heal!
My sister & aunt paid ex husbands court fees to battle me and my child in 3 year court battle, despite being moved to safety by police. What an eye opener of a betrayal when at the lowest, most vulnerable point in my life! Honestly they could make a film of my life that would prove the existence of God, without Him I'd have been dead from childhood... forgive, but to forget would be foolish, even Jesus shook off the dust 🙌🔥✝️❤️🙏
So right "friends that are not worth having, will believe gossip, rumors and slander about you"
Everything that you said is so true. They operate in a spirit of jealousy. They will try to turn others against you to appear relevant and powerful.
All so true. Betrayal is the worst emotional pain. One feels so desperate, alone, and helpless.
Thank you for your kindly presentations. They are reassuring.
Yes that is exactly how I feel right now and really having a hard time with it. I am hurt and in total disbelief.
@@garygregg9707I’m in the same situation 😢
4:15 "The friends that aren't worth having are those who will listen to lies and slander about you." Thank you for saying that! Just had to make one of the toughest choices of my life and get rid of my FORMER closest friend in my adopted home of Phoenix for decades. Yet saw evidence literally behind his back of what was going on in clear ways. (I'll spare you EVEN the abridged version of it... I am so pissed off still in some ways.. but I'll get over it fast)
So glad to see you support/INSPIRE people like myselfwho dealt with this in former friendships or in a relationships. Helps my FINALLY walking away be less painful
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My Mom did this to everyone in my life, but separated me by from my own son for years and years. I have never been able to show him the truth. I lost my relationship with my son for ever. She is deceased, but my son will never see it. She poisoned my siblings and even the counselor I went to. It was hard to forgive her. She was a Christian Therapist, so very dangerous.
I have the same "mother"....she was working on my 14 year old daughter the whole time turning her against me when I finally woke up and went no contact. My daughter is now 22 and the relationship we have is stable but damaged. I can't talk to her about anything except cats, or the weather or the movies, etc. Nothing deep or with heavy truths. Also the liberal school system didn't help matters any. They helped turn her into one of these black haired "goth" people with face piercings when formerly she was a beautiful blond. My heart hurts about this every day of my life. It is unspeakably horrible when they do this to our own children turning them against us. I wish I had woken up earlier, I could have saved my daughter.
I’m so sorry to hear this happened to you. I hope you have many happy days to come, you deserve to be happy.
What if a mother turns the whole family against you? I feel so broken and helpless. God has been sustaining me but some days are worse than others.
Mark 3:35 !!
Honey Im so sorry the Lord will heal this situation soon he did for me!!
So did my mother and she passed away 3 weeks ago not before she completely smashed my life to picses. I have no contact since 2017
All I can say is keep your chin up and build your life strong, healthy and happy. Stay away from Sick people even if they are so called "family".
You are the best and healthy one!!!
Silence is your best win!
Grow, Grow, Grow
Hugs and love to you
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Right there with you.
I am going through the same thing right now. My ex-husband has turned our two children against me when I have raised both of them for the last 20 years without child support from him and barely any time from him for the kids. But I swear to you, my mother has something to do with this. From the start of his campaign against me, she has tried to talk me down and talk me out of getting the law involved and has covertly takien his side and made excuses for him. I feel it is her way of getting revenge on me for calling her and my dad out for allowing us and pushing us to be babysat by my grandmother and her late husband, (he sexually abused us).
I called her out on it one day in my later years. I asked her, “why did you continue to let him come around us after you knew what he did to us?“ “Why did you ask grandma to babysit us when you told me numerous times over the years that, “ grandma was not a babysitter. She didn’t want anything to do with babysitting the kids.“
So why do I have these memories of being babysat by my molesting grandfather? Why do I have these memories of sitting in his lap while he did whatever he wanted to do with me, my sister and cousin? Never once, in these memories, do I ever remember her being there. I was left alone with him. My sister was left alone with him. My cousin was left alone with him. Where the hell was she? But all these years, my mom and dad talked about how much she was “a saint”...how “holy” she was. She knew what she was doing. She just turned a blind eye and deaf ear to it, so she didn’t have to deal with it. So she could do what she wanted, and not be bothered by children. When I called my mom out on all of this, her response was this… “People just didn’t talk about these things back then“
and that just magically made it all OK?
To her it did...
I don’t care what generation or Century you were born in, it’s never OK and it is never excusable. I think she has hated me ever since then and has had a burning vendetta against me ever since. Because she cannot stand the reflection she sees in the mirror now. She knew better, and she still did it, to get whatever she wanted in the moment. And now, me and my sister and my cousin and God knows whoever else are stuck with these memories for a lifetime.
My own mother alienated me from all other family members including the extended family...everyone has been told how bad i am...i live alone in this world...just me, God and my daughter...it's lonely especially when your own mother does this to you but life goes on nevertheless.
First of all you are not alone because the Lord is with you. But I get it. Lots of other people including myself have to live a lonely life. Have to meaning a decision was made in order to keep our sanity and our health.
It's like we have to pretend we don't have family anymore. God is our vindicator. I wish you the best.
@@di4085 We aren't pretending. We literally don't have family anymore. In fact, we never did. We were born orphans with a fake "family"....that hated us. Just like Cinderella.
@@reesedaniel5835 I am so sorry to hear that. I know it's painful and I myself want so much to have a real family. We have to find within ourselves strength along with God to give us that strength to move forward and find real relationships.
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My mother did a lot of narcissistic things. She got on a greyhound when I was three and moved us to another state. No friends or family. She made it work somehow and we put down roots. She was always abusive I never got like a spanking from her it was a beating. Closed fist to whatever she could till I hit the ground then she would kick me. The things children convince themselves of as normal is scary. Holidays birthdays and special events were especially hard. I tried running away and did pretty good when I was 13 I had a baby sitting job and I cleaned houses. Then DGACs got involved and I had to go back. Then she took my money to pay "bills" so I was still supporting myself in the same bad situation. Until she beat me from head to toe literally I was black and blue from my shoulders to my ankles. The school called DFACs they left me in the home but the next time I ran away they did not send me back and just checked out my new home. I was 15. It has been me against the world ever since. I broke generational curses. I constantly work on myself (it keeps me humble and less judgemental) and I raised two children of my own. It was not always pretty I will be the first to admit. There were so many lonely times even with children. Now I get I'll if I don't get enough solitude. Now I'm 54 and my hard life is catching up health wise. I fear I'm about to get a new learning curve. The only thing I do know is one way or another I'm gonna be okay. Jesus saved me years ago and he has never let me down.
I’ve been around too many narcissists. They have ruined my life.
Jesus is faithful and true.
HE loves you and will always be your faithful friend
Me too. Born into this crazy. Not 50 years old yet and I've had it all taken .... malignant narcs are soulless
God bless you.
You get a double wammie when you get blessed by God for losses and hated for gifts and blessings given.
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You made great points in this video. Sadly there are many narcs in the world, and many people who can easily be manipulated.
Yes, I have seen all of this in my family!!!!! I have had to go no contact with family because of the constant gossip.
I am 54 years old was raised by a narcissistic mom who has turned my whole family against me including my three children I raise including anybody I knew and anybody I meet she makes sure to get involved with them and she does just like the speaker said she starts out speaking nice things till she's confident with the person then she starts telling them all these lies horrible things that's not true I was a good kid not to hear her tell it I was a nightmare I really was a good kid I was a good adult and a good mom she has literally destroyed my name my reputation and my character she has dug a pit her and my oldest daughter threw me in it and I would say they're throwing dirt on me trying to bury me alive after 54 years I finally said enough spoke up really spoke up but it's too late I want to leave this town and start over but finances don't permit at the time I kid you not anytime I go to the store or anywhere and run into anybody I know it's always the same thing I get eye rolls nasty eye rolls nasty complaints or they just avoid me as they roll their eyes as they walk by but that's mild compared to other situations I really need prayer I need a whole chain of prayers please pray for me thank you and God bless you all
Do not forget that the truth will always prevail. Just be authentic and keep on going to be honest with yourself. This is the source of power.
Happened to me with my children, I never knew until someone told me about this, it took me a while to recognize, never an apology, never any remorse. I went into quite mode, and things changed radically. Divorced now, working to get my financial life back together. Its a no win situation. Let them go.....let them go......let them go........run ......run......run
The sad part is, everyone, including my own father, sister, friends, etc didn’t even come to me to tell me. They just believed him, and when I filed for divorce they all turned on me. I never chased them down. But after 4 years they still haven’t come to me to get my side of the story. You don’t even realize they are doing these things behind your back for years. It’s so rare to find true friends these days. Sad.
This makes total complete sense as to why my narc ex turned my friend against me.
Realize they aren’t your true friends to begin with. If someone loves & cares about you they aren’t buying the narcs BS. If they do they should tell & ask you not just ignore you their friend. Nope!
Praise the Lord for that word!! I'm going through that now with my family members!! Keep me in your prayers!!
Me to hunny and its hurts a lot..
I think it's hard to deal with a narcissist, especially when it's close family members
My husband and I are too. Our son-in-law has taken our daughter and granddaughter from us.
Me too @JohnTyler
Same here. It’s heart breaking!
I lost most of my friends a few years ago due to a few narcs spreading slander about me to everyone they could - even my medical professionals were pulled into the sick game.
Oh, and it all started with my family of origin.
It's hard to trust anyone right now, but I'm learning what not to do. It's a good start.
They are not human, they are demons. Any compassion is not only wasted it just fuels them to destroy someone else.
Wow that's heavy. Demons can be cast out. Sounds like you are speaking from experience though.
Yes I thought my aunt was the sensible one in the family due to her using phrases my mom used and counsellor speak, sadly only when she tried to destroy me did I realise she helped put my mom in an early grave.
That's why Jesus said don't cast your pearls before swine, they use your pearls of wisdom, virtues and mannerisms to garner support against you.
Chillingly evil when we seek only peace. GOD ONLY IN FIRST, second and third place! 🙏
They weren’t really my friends anyway, so is best to let them go. Sooner or later, you won’t hear from them anymore.
Thank you for this great info, it was not my imagination! I had a narcissist boss, whenever someone came to talk to me, she would stand in doorway & start talking about herself. Always bragged about herself, share all compliments she got from others. After a while I noticed employees weren't as friendly to me & were avoiding me more & more. I thought it was me, but I look back now & know she could not stand the attention I was getting, she must have spread rumors about me that people believed. Thank You.
I thank the narcissist for showing me who I can trust. I'd rather be alone than surrounded by people that would stab me in the back.
I've been through this and eventually thought of it as "the winnowing" the test that showed who really cared about me.
This is a good series. A Pentecostal term for a Narcissist may be also a person with a jezebel spirit. Of course people in psychology circles do not accept the spiritual realm, but these people need deliverance more than anything.
Which 'psychology circles' are you referring to?
@@CB-zd7gg absolutely!!! They do this in the courts, they manipulate doctors etc.
There is a concentration of narcissist in the church. All they have to do is pretend to be a Christian and they get away with whatever they want. Jim Jones ring a bell?
@@fbicontacted7690 That's because the Bible is available to them and they easily hide behind people of Religion. In my experience, Religion hasn't saved any..
@@lonniecoyne454 You're RIGHT! The Bible says, "Religion" Is the Worship of Demons.....ANY RELIGION.....BUT,,,,,KNOWING,,,Jesus Christ as my PERSONAL Saviour is a RELATIONSHIP......AND,,,I DON'T have to go to ANY church to do that....GOD'S Word is the BIBLE, HIS GOSPEL PREACHES.....🙏 and I'm NOT against finding a full gospel church out there,,,but Good Luck...BE LED...🙏
I went thorough this with a sibling. It was so hurtful, but thankful that her friends and mine seen right through it. It is very hurtful though. So glad I found you on here. This is very helpful.
Mine didnt 😞 glad you had success
How you made her friends and your friends to see the real truth ? Please tell the way
@@raghugoud8497 u can't
This just helps to reinforce what I've known for a while, despite the doubts, that I am not the problem. Thank you sir. GOD BLESS!
Thank you for making these videos! They help a lot. In my case it’s a coworker trying to turn everyone against me, it’s tough to deal with I’m stuck in a room 8 hours a day on eggshells with this person. She’s an alcoholic. And the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever met.
5:30 'You go to the narcissist and you say, "Hey, you're spreading lies about me."' Thank you because this is exactly what I virtually just did. I've read that some say, "Say NOTHING OR ELSE that will give them narcissistic supply" or some nonsense like that.
But when it's one of your FORMER closest friends doing it, I'm so glad to hear someone else go against the "be more passive-aggressive than they are or else you have failed to NOT HAVE given them narcissistic supply" nonsense as I walk out the door. It's nice to see that someone else is not just part of the hive mind of anti-narcissism. Thank you for this video
100% This narcissist supply term is very weird lol. A popular buzz word at the moment. Telling the narcissist you know their game and what lies they're telling others, will hopefully stop them in their tracks. Or you need to go to your friends to quickly give them a "heads up" on what the narcissist is likely to lie about you. It's a horrible feeling finding out they've lied to your friends and family about you, before you realise what has happened.
What works is to tell them "MY REAL FRIENDS " are telling me such and such and they laughed and joked about how you must be the the stupidest jackass in town for thinking anybody would believe your bullshit
Don't give the devil a stick to beat you with, answer not a fool according to his folly... Jesus opened not His mouth, they know you are right, they come only to steal, kill and destroy - they will lie and say a totally different narrative took place, who do you think the lier will portray in the positive light? They play dirty. Please, please, please stay safe 🙏 ✝️
Well done. You do NOT win with a narcissist. Stay away from them, stand tall and proud, believe in yourself, stay in prayer.
If they turned your friends against you, then they were never your friends. I have this experience first-hand and have totaly disconnected from those "friends" . The narc in this case did me a favor and helped me weed out the bullshit.
Honestly I wouldn't want a friend that is not smart, perceptive or analytical enough who can't decipher a narcissist. People like that I really wouldn't have much in common with anyway, so it's really their loss more than mine, if they judge me before wanting to know the facts for themselves. Yes, it can hurt, but maybe we should thank a narcissist for helping us weed out those "friends" . They can all have eachother, lol.
This is a really good point. Thank you!
@@dnk4559 🙂we definitely deserve much better.
I listened to this again because I remembered one of the things the narcissist does is try to keep us away from their friends. One time I began a friendship with our daughter's friend and she acted like her friend belonged to her and I didn't have a right to become friends with her friend. She introduced me and we hit it off of a time and I thought we could all be friends. According to narcissists their friends belong to them and no one else can have them, its very strange.
Going thru this right now. It was very sad but I realized God opened by eyes.
Sad to say the majority of the friends you have when the narcissist goes to them qualify for those not worthy of having. Of course you don’t know that until this happens and it is extremely painful but it happens more often than people realize.
True. The people who can be so easily manipulated and swayed are of very little substance.
Yes I moved well away from a street bully who was town gossip. Everyone in my street was told a lot of lies and her jealousy was overwhelming. She had the whole street against me. Her workmates all knew about her and the trouble she caused was well known. I have peace now in life. 41 years i put up with her evil.
Oh, yeah, I have a family member who has done this to me, and has turned family members against me!
I've been through this. You have to RUN !!!
This is happening to me now one by one he is convincing my friends,it's not only bad enough to cope with there abuse and gaslighting to then realize your friends wasn't real as well,thank you for the video and 🙏 to anyone else going threw this
I had this with the narc turned most people against me . One of the so called friends ended up being the next victim ! And has now started talkin to me again . She has done exactly the same to him i call that justice . Now everyone knows what she is !
I have lived what you have discussed. 45 yrs with a Narcissist husband and his narc mother. In fact the whole Family qualifies as such.
He has now passed away.....and I am free. Leaving behind a family with a high ratio of Narcissism and all the dysfunction that goes with it.
Slander and stalking has been their mantra since I moved away
No Contact of any kind from me.
It is best to just walk away and safer too. No engaging no defending no explaining no personalizing is the very best way for me. The Lord has protected me and guided me through all these years. Praises to God for He is Faithful to His own
Thank you!!!😊
Thank you for these wise words. It's very important to me to hear these things from a lover of Christ. All blessings x
This happened to me and it hurts ! Wonderful video. Thanks for the comforting words
Yes that is exactly the conclusion I came to as far as how they recruit your family and friends….they can’t outright start with criticism because that would get them turned away. So they start with praise, build rapport, and then raise doubts. I’ve experienced this first hand.
You just described my family...I've lost them all because I REFUSE to accept their artificial reality based on their slander about me...I hope in God to defend the truth.
Going through this as,well. My husband's daughter turned numerous people against me because she couldn't control "Daddy" . I was extremely good to her and her brother but got stabbed in the back. Really tired of people saying, well their Biological mother told them to act this way. Not so in my case or the cases of many other people. At the ages of 26 and 22, it's time to have a mind of your own. But as you said, these people aren't worth it.The stress they give. If they stabbed you once, they'll do it again! Let them go.
Thank you … and he went to my friends in this victim mode and my friends feel so sorry for him and so thankful he came to them to express his pain… never once realized that he was manipulating them because my friend was the paster and in a position of power and my husband wants to look good when in reality he abuses us
Thanks so much......We are presently leaving a church with a narcissist pastor. This is exactly what is happening to us with friends at the moment. I saw signs, but did not listen to my own discernment. It has been a profound lesson and I am grateful for it. God has been very close to us and I know finding your words today was a part of His plan. I feel stronger for listening. God bless.
Thank you for starting the video by going straight to the point. I have listened to countless of videos on the narcissist, yet I love it when I hear a new way to explain the inevitable mess that we find ourselves in. Thank you 🙏
This is so true! Yes they do and even your own children....but if someone is dedicated to hating you they never really cared about you anyway. ... I watched God's justice in the end... .My advice as a long time victim....."Do not touch Mine...." as God's Word puts it 🙏🏼🕊💗
I have felt sorry for narcissistic people but these people exist in all walks of life. They enjoy showing off and saying 'Look how popular i am compared to you' i find it best to ignore them, and am doing so as i write this...but the people whom truly know me, couldn't be bought or sold by any narcissistic person, and thats all matters to me!
Thank God none of my friends believed him. They were his so call friends, and the joke is on them who believe his lies because they are being mailipulated by his lies💯💯
God bless you for this. I've been through this all my life with my mum and even though she is a Christian, she blames me for every little thing that has ever happened to her and when I was little/ teenager I couldn't handle the pain because I always try to be obedient and do every chores in the house yet so always found something to base her pain on and abuse me verbally, physically, emotionally and psychologically. I did attempt suicide so many times until I began a relationship with Christ. Now as an adult, she's even far worse and lies, manipulates and even ask me what shows she physically assaulted me as a child just because she doesn't see the marks. It's exhausting how every word that comes out of her mouth towards me is lies, insults, curses and complains. What hurts the most is she is the one who tells and disgrace me to whoever knows or likes me and wow into me If I even try to explain my side of the story. So now I don't talk at all. She turned everyone in the family against me especially my big brother who was like my best friend and I love so dearly. Now I don't even want to talk or have any sort of conversation with him or anyone because frankly I'm tired and the whole scenario is draining and It's bad to the extend that I always feel bad when I try to defend myself and I tell the people she complained to what she actually does to me. It's insane. I've surrendered it all to Christ though. It's in Your hands now Lord. Amen.
Sorry for what you've gone through. I understand completely. I hope you find peace now you're on a new path and wish you all the best. You deserve it. Stay strong.
Thank you I'm doing quiet well now but she remains the same.
Can you shake the dust off your feet and get away from her? She sounds crazy and beyond redemption.
WHY dont y ou leave.there are other towns and places to go other then right in their neighborhood.I did and now I can just be myself. ,obody knows about it.They judge me and like me for who I am.
@Ben Hurn Really good points raised Ben. You (not you personally) can say what you like but if you act horribly towards the innocent there is only punishment awaiting you. Better a millstone ...
My sister had these characteristics when we were little children. I finally just looked up the characteristics and found out what was wrong with her. She is now.78 and it is unbelievable what she’s done in her life to hurt people. She married a man who died and then she was very very rich so she’s able to hurt more people. I’m glad you guys are on TH-cam explaining this to people.
Yup had a friend like that she tried to turn my friends against me when I ended our friendship now she keeps talking trash about me.just glad we are no longer friends
You described my cousin and brother perfectly they did the exact same thing to me
Not just friends but family as well
When a narcissist turns a friend against me? I'd force them all to hear my truth and let them make their own choices. The narcissist will not come back in my life and those lost will be left to choose.
My neighbour ofv40 years a well known narc humiliated me in front of my neighbours re being spiritual. She went into a euphoric state knowing 5 of them agreed with her.. this woman is well known at her work place for causing trouble she loves power and putting everyone down. She is 70 and still working. A lot of the neighbours here have left because of her.
They also love to gloat. Duper's Delight is their favorite drug.
Thank you sir
So just be stronger and know that you are normal. thank you
Thank you so much for these videos, they have been answers to my prayers indeed. God bless you!
Great advise - thanks! I can only say 'Amen' to that...
So blessed to find so many Christian's advise on Narc... in dec 2019-jan 2020 there were hardly any Christians...
God Bless You David!
Perfectly explained!
Thank you.
Wise words spoken in kindness and truth.
Jane
WOW! Praise God! This was a blessing for me. Explaining this from a Christian perspective helped me so much. I pray this channel thrives and helps so many victims of this!
Hell yes, I know the damage she's doing, has done, and I just have to outlive the........
Thank you so much💐
This is SOOOOOOOOO spot on (I went through this just over a year ago with my ex who had Narcissistic Personality Disorder)!! 🙏🏼
Thankyou for this comforting word!
Thank you ! This is the first godly advice I have ever seen regarding what to do when a narcissist tells lies about you in order to turn your family and/or friends against you. A close family member who is a narcissist made me out to be a horrible daughter, etc., in order to turn my mother, who had dementia, against me in order to convince her to cut me out of her will and leave her considerable estate to them--it worked! I loved my mother and did everything I could to protect her (I lived 500 miles away, while the family member who was turning her against me lived with her and was physically abusing her). In spite of my contacting Adult Protective Services in her state twice in an effort to protect her, she ultimately died due to the neglect of the family member who was living with her and telling her lies about me (that I didn't care about her, etc.) It is almost impossible to combat these lies when the person smearing you lives with the person they are attempting to turn against you, while you live in another state. The family members who were turned against me eventually saw the truth about the abuser who was attempting to turn them against me, but it was too late--my mother died as a result of this person's abuse and neglect, and I ended going to court and eventually the persons responsible for her death were held accountable. But my mother died believing that I didn't care about her, etc. This all happened 16 years ago, and I have never recovered from the trauma of being lied about to my own mother by a family member that I trusted. Thank you for helping me to deal with this most difficult trauma.
I am so sorry to hear that you went through all of that. Honestly I thought I was the only one going through it. After reading all these comments there's a lot more people dealing with this issue then I realize so we're not alone. Yes it's extremely painful. But it's just the Lord and I.
That person’s day is going to be coming there narcissism will catch them up. I hate people like this, they’re vultures. They only did it to steal money it’s disgusting.
The only way to deal with this and for you to find peace after all these years is forgive. God sees all things and He can give you favor and bless you in ways that only a Heavenly Father can.
Believe me I'm going through something similar like your situation right now and I've come to the conclusion that I have to separate myself from all family members. It hurts but for my sanity I have to do it.
@@di4085 sorry I got so emotional, I had somebody personally get personally take advantage of because they were getting close to their death and it makes me sad to see people like this, taking advantage of the people and their own resources because they are entitled to something they don’t deserve and this is not based on being selfish this is based on not only doing the right thing but caring for someone. I don’t want somebody to die in their own deathbed and look at family members fighting each other because narcissistic Machiavellian or Socioor psycho tendencies it’s heartbreaking and it’s sad I don’t want that for them. I want them at least in someway to die in peace but that’s my personal opinion.
The lowest depths of hell are too good for that verminous festering human waste who did that!!
Hey David this is very good stuff. You have a wonderful gift there. I couldn't find a single thing I disagreed on not saying that I am in any way an expert. Just watched hundreds of videos on YT. Good to get it from the Christian perspective - very insightful.
Thanks for sharing this. I understand all you are saying, and it makes total sense. It is just hard when the lies are being told to your adult children. My goal post-separation and divorce was to always protect my kids and grandkids and not bring them into it...not put them in the middle. Sadly, even 10 years post-separation, the attempt to divide our family continues. Very painful. Very difficult. I am now being avoided; not sure what has been said about me, but I know it is causing them/my kids confusion as well. I remain silent. I know something is happening, but I have not been asked any questions.
Sometimes silence is the worst thing you can do, especially if your kids are confused. If they only hear one side of a story and the other side is deliberately keeping quiet they have no option but hear the one version and maybe even believe the lies since there is no other ‘version’. If you respect your adult children, treat them like adults by speaking to them like adults, having a mature discussion with them about what is confusing them. Do it in front of a therapist/ counselor to let them know you are for real and authentic about clarifying everything. Narcissists will never do this in front of a 3rd party especially one who can see through their bs. If you think you’re ‘protecting’ them by ‘not getting them involved’ by not telling the truth, yeah no. They are already involved, to an extent and are being confused and possibly damaged and by you keeping silent is doing the opposite of ‘protecting them’. In fact as adults by you denying them the truth by keeping silent is actually disrespecting them, insulting their intelligence. My Mum told some terrible things as she was dying, terrible things I was deliberately lied to, as an adult, to protect the vile abuser (my father), and the way he forced my mother to abandon her own mother into a nursing home when she was capable of caring for herself and living with them. My Nan, (mum’s mother), would never allow my father to be his usual abusive self while she lived with them. I lived overseas at the time and if I’d known what was happening I would’ve and could’ve helped my mother. But she chose to ‘protect’ me and protect the abuser (as usual) and lie. Meanwhile it would’ve torn her apart. It did, she was truly heartbroken and full of regret when she passed. I loved my Nan, she was my protector from my violent abusive father when she and her darling husband, my step grandfather visited. It is what is so terribly common in the world, people not revealing the truth, people telling half truths and people outwardly lying and people keeping silent then wondering why they lose connection and relationships end with loved ones. Keeping silent the abuser, the liar wins.
Thank you,love and light too you
I'm going through this now. A man who was a friend of my son's needed a place to stay. He had all kinds of horror stories about where he was living. It was only after I let him use my son's old room that people began to talk to me about him. He was lazy, refused to help with the housework, argued constantly and verbally abused everyone. When I stopped loaning him money, then he started on me. He had repaid money, then refused to claiming he had no work. I told him to find something. I cannot afford to pay his way, as well as mine. After things began to disappear thanks to his drug abuse, I told him to get out. He refused. Then he lost the house key. One night he went out and I bolted the door, then started to pack his stuff. The key was lying right in the middle of the bed. He did lose it, but it was a sign to me I did the right thing. Then began to find body oils and eyeliner and so on.
only two of us born are not like that. I am just now learning more about it because I had to move back.I wish I knew this back in 1970. ... so sorry for no one ever told me. good to know that those friends were not real friends after all.
That was my ex did to my friends. One of my so called friends believed him and now they are more plotting things to hurt me.
They have the emotional and psychological maturity of a toddler.
Yep...i noticed this happening when i broke from my Narc step mother & walked away & went radio silent...one by one everyone i knew turned against me..& some told me why, it shocked the crap out of me, not only the lie, but that these people who knew me for so long would suddenly believe something so outlandish, coming from a known chronic liar & her convicted drug dealer son.....they should know i would never even think of doing whatever the current lie was.
First thought in my head when they fall away is..obviously they were never real friends to begin with..& truth be told, it was all one sided.....after the fact..i can now see that.
First one they all called, ..i was always there when they needed somebody or thing, helping them with one issue or another( & they Were Needy)....but when i was down..nah....crickets..
Yep isn't it funny how they automaticly believe and swallow the narc's huge steaming pile of BS lies and instantly forget ALL the good things you did for them over the years......this one has always left me scratching my head. The only thing that makes it make sense is that they secretly hated us all along.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." 1 John 2:19
My dad destroys my relationships, he wrecked my mom. I haven't heard anyone explain this so clearly before. Thank you. My father has been doing this as long as I can remember. Not just to me, but others, like simon the sorcerer who bewitched people and wanted a following. He acts benevolent and concerned to others ( winning their confidence as you said), and uses them to gather more information as he needs a constantly new supply of things to twist. This gives him something to talk about to others and keeps him the center of attention, keeps his ego stoked ( he can act superior), and gives him control. Now I'm suspect of some people who want to get close because I don't know who his " flying monkeys" are ( people he has befriended and taken in). Its an aweful way to live. I did have freedom when I worked and he had no access to anyone I knew. Some people give me the creeps, saying things that sound just like him, others I dont feel that way about. Not sure if thats from the Lord, or from experience, or how much I may be wrong about people.
Thanks for this I just lost my best friend I had for 5 years to someone I met almost three years who was a narcissist
I feel insane, my father is a narc, my mother justifies him, and both claim to be Christian’s, both are well educated Christian’s, but there is no doubt within my mind that my father is a narc. (I also believe he’s a sociopath which makes it frustrating for me) I can’t confront him even though God says I should, because he won’t admit wrong over even the smallest things. It’s always turned around to me. Makes me question whether I am in the wrong or not. Coming back to videos like this is the only solid ground for my sanity at this point. Because they remind me why I know they are in the wrong and that I’m not crazy.
I don’t wanna say this and this is my personal opinion, Jesus was talking about him in the Bible, he is the wolf in sheep‘s clothing and he calls himself a Christian, but he thinks he can do no wrong, that’s not a Christian and it never will be a Christian. Sad to say he could end up in hell and because of his narcissism and sociopathy. I even wonder if these individuals are cursed there’s no way you could go to heaven and have an ego there’s just no way. I’m not going to say that it’s impossible for him to get right with God and, truly right, but with that said, he’s going to go to hell and I don’t want to say that but knowing how this disability works you cannot have Jesus and have pride they just don’t go together.
@@freedomdude5420 I agree but I still question it, wondering if maybe I’m wrong and I’m just the one making problems out of nothing. It’s so weird. Whenever I’m around them I get such a dark aura, it drags me down and everything that I do and think becomes cloudy. But today, I was sitting with my good Christian friend in church and I felt… good? Like, I just felt okay and happy. I don’t really feel that around anyone. I also have a similar experience whenever I go to this special Christian camp, everything just feels breathable.
And YET, even with my body and gut telling me these things I still wonder if maybe I’m just wrong. Ya’know?
@@artscraftsgaming7169 I think the only way to help him is through prayer, you can’t help him through physical means, I don’t mean like hitting or anything, I mean talking too or complete ostracization of society. All I can say is, they need prayer and you need to trust in God because at the end of the day they’re sick and they need help. It’s just that they’re the worst people to deal with, because they think they don’t need help they’re blind by their pride and it’s sad to watch.
I quote this to people.
Those who say, they don’t need help, are the ones that need it the most.
I say absolutely nothing but wave them goodbye and create great distance from them. They're just as toxic as the narc.
This is literally THE most hardest part. Friends AND even family. 🐉⚡🌈
Now we know exactly what Jesus meant in Matthew 10:37 when He said: Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."
@@reesedaniel5835 As if.thats possible in this day and age. 💙🌟🌈
This helps. I stumbled across you. And I’m so glad I did. Thank you 🙏🏽