How One Of America's Richest Families Lost Everything

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2025
  • During the Gilded Age, the mass accumulation of money by families like the Vanderbilts changed the economic, social, and physical landscape of the United States. The Vanderbilt family's wealth grew out of the shipping and railroad industries, both of which were largely monopolized by the the family patriarch, Cornelius "Commodore" Vanderbilt, in the late 19th century. His hard work set the foundation for his sons and grandsons to continue making money, but their descendants became less inclined to earn and more likely to spend.
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  • @DUNGEONCRAFT1
    @DUNGEONCRAFT1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    My father was an estate attorney. When people would inherit large chunks of money, he would say: "Be careful. For at least one year, do not buy a car or a house. Do not quit your job. Do not marry or get divorced. Do not sell your parents' assets. Whatever asset class they had--stocks or real estate--continue to hold it. It made them rich. It will probably keep you rich." Very few of them took the advice. Almost all spent the money before they died, leaving nothing to their kids.

    • @ratoim
      @ratoim 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Sympathies to your father. He must have felt like he was screaming into the void.

    • @Inukshuk67
      @Inukshuk67 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      You just confirmed that most people are idiots.

    • @VectorA17
      @VectorA17 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Inukshuk67I think it’s less people being idiots and more people being selfish :/

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      they didn't EARN it; my little brother thought he's "invest" but what he really wanted to do was NOT WORK. He achieved his goal, spending all dad's money. You are correct.

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Inukshuk67 I'm 73 and after seven decades of volunteering, trying to make the political landscape locally work, I see the internet demonstrating clearly just that: so who can really BLAME those who jump into politics for the brass ring for themselves??? People ARE idiots for the most part, and after the fact there's little you can do. They never call advance asking for advice, but expect you to bail them out of their own idiocy. I like ducks. Neighbours cat like my place. Chickens are cool. Next door dog like me more than her owner.

  • @BamBamBigelow..
    @BamBamBigelow.. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +653

    Father starts company, son builds on it, grandson collapses it. The old trope.

    • @tankueytryn
      @tankueytryn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Hunter Biden?

    • @kellychuang8373
      @kellychuang8373 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah it really sound like it in this case and good video.

    • @langhamp8912
      @langhamp8912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's from the 19th century. Today's generational wealth is never lost and never taxed via trust funds. Gen Z is on track to inherit the most wealth of any previous generation, simply from trust funds and pass-through corporations.

    • @markstevenson6635
      @markstevenson6635 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Frederick, Fred Sr, Donald in progress

    • @punky796
      @punky796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@tankueytryn Hold still, I'm trying to catch your tears in my Dark Brandon mug

  • @CwL-1984
    @CwL-1984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +354

    I was born with nothing, I seem to have kept most of it.

    • @hjusn
      @hjusn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      😂😂😂😂

    • @AngieGryszan-gw9gz
      @AngieGryszan-gw9gz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Same 😂

    • @andriesscheper2022
      @andriesscheper2022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust...

    • @eileenahern-ku9nx
      @eileenahern-ku9nx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I love your comment- your brilliant, you were born with that ❤

    • @paulbellingham3948
      @paulbellingham3948 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That’s clever, made me chuckle

  • @aliasfakename3159
    @aliasfakename3159 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +149

    Imagine spending a lifetime amassing wealth only to have your grandkids ruin it. That must hurt

    • @reprovedcandy
      @reprovedcandy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Man was long dead, he never knew either way.

    • @toddaulner5393
      @toddaulner5393 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I know a Billionaire and he is giving all his wealth to the state. He has beautiful Grandchildren though and I feel it is unfair to them. They are like 14 years old or so. What could they have done to deserve that?

    • @eileenahern-ku9nx
      @eileenahern-ku9nx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hurt real bad ❤

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toddaulner5393 at LEAST set up an education fund. sounds like he's STUCK in 1955. My relations are almost all like that: stuck on the farm. Please take the farm OUT of the boy.

  • @chrismorris6865
    @chrismorris6865 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Wealth rarely survives three generations. The father passes his values to his son as best he can, but the son lacks the humble origin, and does try to maintain it, but the grandson is raised with no humility, and no values, and often no restraint on spending, and so the money goes down the drain.

    • @donHooligan
      @donHooligan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Europe: Exists
      IMF bankers also exist.

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Often the original fortune was made in a dying industry, or one that undergoes enough change that the subsequent generations can't do it like 'ole grandpappy did. The next generations also know they have inherited wealth so they try to make their own stamp and often fail, but not for a lack of vision or effort.

    • @RubenDeanda-lb9wr
      @RubenDeanda-lb9wr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The history always repeats grand pa rich father millonarie grand son homeless

    • @theoriginalJP
      @theoriginalJP 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Damn it, nobody wants to hear that ​@RubenDeanda-lb9wr

  • @TimeSpectators
    @TimeSpectators 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +699

    This video is a powerful reminder of the impermanence of wealth and the importance of financial literacy across generations. The rise and fall of the Vanderbilt family is a cautionary tale of how even the greatest fortunes can dwindle if not managed with foresight and prudence. It's fascinating to see how the Gilded Age shaped America, but also sobering to witness the consequences of unchecked extravagance."
    Something useful to consider is the concept of "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations," which is a proverb that suggests family wealth is often built, expanded, and then lost within three generations. This pattern is not unique to the Vanderbilts; it's a common phenomenon observed worldwide. It underscores the importance of educating future generations about the value of money, investment, and the hard work that goes into building and maintaining wealth. Financial planning, sustainable investing, and instilling a strong work ethic are crucial for ensuring that wealth can benefit multiple generations.💯💫

    • @langhamp8912
      @langhamp8912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or just create financial tools that shield generational wealth from bad usage and taxes. Trust funds so inherited wealth isn't taxed nor splurged, pass-through corporations so trust funds can be replenished without being taxed, and finally user-lead charities so deferred taxes don't have to be paid.
      Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves is so 19th century.

    • @williamphillips2671
      @williamphillips2671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Bro we came to watch the video not read your bull

    • @EmperorOfTheScrubs
      @EmperorOfTheScrubs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Someone is in student debt

    • @user-oo8wt3hr1t
      @user-oo8wt3hr1t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Bro wrote a whole thesis

    • @jeffmiller3499
      @jeffmiller3499 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The dummies that are criticizing this comment are the grandson type that lose the family fortune. How ironically poetic

  • @mikenixon2401
    @mikenixon2401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +133

    It is always interesting how so many family businesses go out because of younger generations that never got their hands dirty doing the original work.

    • @williamphillips2671
      @williamphillips2671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No really it makes sense

    • @chuck9380
      @chuck9380 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Facts ppl spoil their kids and they grow up never respecting money or hard work

    • @tankueytryn
      @tankueytryn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rogers Communications

    • @chromicapop4595
      @chromicapop4595 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well sometimes younger chooses so due to extenuating economic conditions 😮

    • @JB-yb4wn
      @JB-yb4wn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tankueytryn
      Eaton's, Birks Jewellers, Woodwards. All went the same way.

  • @rustbeltrobclassic2512
    @rustbeltrobclassic2512 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    There's so many additional stories of the kids missed here, including the introduction of the vanderbilt racetrack, how they are the reason speed limits exist.. how long island had a racetrack.. how the canonball races were originated by a vanderbilt.

  • @markh1142
    @markh1142 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    The vanderbilits owned the shipping and railroad industries. If they invested in the auto and trucking industry later they would still be the richest family in the world today

    • @SurfCityBill
      @SurfCityBill 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The could have just shifted to commercial real estate in NY.

  • @JC-bf5cw
    @JC-bf5cw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    My grandfathers family was well off and owned numerous properties/land on Long Island, NY. Now we just have old stories.

    • @Corpsman01
      @Corpsman01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      My aunt used to own fields and fields of grape leaves in California where wine is made…now she’s gone(passed away) and the land is gone. Some people just don’t have any idea how to handle money.

    • @Barthaneous34
      @Barthaneous34 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      That's literally my story as well. Homes that he owned he bought back for 30,000 sold them for 200,000 but if he waited just a couple more years he could sold each home for millions. He regretted it till he died.

  • @mirthenary
    @mirthenary 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    7:00 Must be the same film projector they were still using when I was in school in the 80s and 90s.

  • @chrisguardiano6143
    @chrisguardiano6143 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    The Vanderbilts also played a major role in the early days of auto racing in this country as they were the ones behind the Vanderbilt Cup which was the first major trophy in American auto racing. The first Vanderbilt Cup took place in 1904 on Long Island on a 30 mile long course through Nassau County. The race was held on Long Island until 1911 when it got moved around the country until 1917 when it got cancelled due to the US's involvement in World War I & would not be held again until 1936. This revival would only last 2 years before the race went on another hiatus which lasted until the 1960's when the SCCA took over the name & ran the race first as a junior open wheel event, then as a sports car race. The Vanderbilt Cup would not return again until 1996 when it was used as the trophy for the US 500 run by CART during the height of the infamous open wheel racing split between them & the IRL. In 2000 CART would use the Vanderbilt Cup trophy as the trophy they would give to the season champion. This lasted until 2008 when CART's successor Champ Car & the IRL merged & the newly united series decided to use a new trophy to give to the season champion.

  • @IStoreGas
    @IStoreGas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    $100 or $2800 today is enough to buy a boat? Someone needs to redo that conversion.

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Everything changes. Not just the money

  • @iRandom2x
    @iRandom2x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    Crazy how fast they lost everything Cornelius worked for .. how can you have everything given to you and still fk it up lol

    • @candice_ecidnac
      @candice_ecidnac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I would think the answer is obvious; they didn't have to work for it.
      There's a saying: "The first generation makes it, the second generation spends it, and the third generation blows it" and that's happened with tons of families.
      The first generation works hard to build something; they start from nothing and create things that bring wealth. The second generation inherits something that's already built, so they don't have to work as hard. The third generation doesn't have to do anything; they're born into wealth so it's all they know. There's no struggle, no work to go from nothing to everything.
      That's how. It's pretty easy to figure out.

    • @ladynikkie
      @ladynikkie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's very true that's why most of these rich families specially in Europe and Asia they're not leaving any inheritance to their children they're teaching them to work for your own fortune ​@@candice_ecidnac

    • @iRandom2x
      @iRandom2x 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@candice_ecidnac was a rhetorical, hence the "lol".. but yes thank you

    • @punky796
      @punky796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@candice_ecidnac Seriously, read your own words and tell me with a straight face that you don't sound like an insufferable knowitall

    • @karisalonen12
      @karisalonen12 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Quite easily. 🤔

  • @JohnnyAngel8
    @JohnnyAngel8 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Gloria also wrote some books. Her memoir, "Once Upon A Time" was an interesting read.

  • @missdeejay
    @missdeejay 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    In every video you talk about the Vanderbilts, you're always oblivious to the fact that Anderson Cooper IS NOT THE ONLY famous Vanderbilt direct descendant. Actor Timothy Olyphant is also a Vanderbilt descendant.

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And those two aren't the only ones.

  • @TheMightymolar
    @TheMightymolar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    “We are an immigrant nation. The first generation works their fingers to the bone making things; the next generation goes to college and innovates new ideas. The third generation snowboards and takes improv classes.”

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Third gen majors in Art History..😮

    • @nicolasuribestanko
      @nicolasuribestanko 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@marknewton6984 Third gen majors in Art History...... and Gender Studies.

  • @chp21600
    @chp21600 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You have a great voice for these videos! Very interesting stuff!!

  • @eyeseeeee
    @eyeseeeee 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    good thing Gloria had her jeans as a back up 😆

    • @AngieGryszan-gw9gz
      @AngieGryszan-gw9gz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      👍

    • @misssabina235
      @misssabina235 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I love those jeans tbh

    • @eyeseeeee
      @eyeseeeee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@misssabina235 u no wat SO DO I!!!

  • @stevengallant6363
    @stevengallant6363 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Apparently, Gloria had the right genes/jeans...🤣

  • @nickrykert2572
    @nickrykert2572 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    My Great Great Grand Father spent a lot of his money. He told them that he "Pissed it away!"

    • @cottoneyedJoe29
      @cottoneyedJoe29 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      My grandmother and grandfather started out dirt floor poor, when they passed away they had built a small fortune with their business (around $10 million and another roughly $5 million in antique cars and property after they gave my father the business and shortly after passed away) my sister and I was left $10000 each, my father inherited everything thing else, he sold the business and everything they had and retired to Florida, bought some rental properties and retired in his early 40s. I left the Army and moved down to care for him in 2013 when he was diagnosed with cancer at which point I discovered he had drank and smoked his wealth to the point we had to sell all except 2 of his house's in order for him to survive the rest of his short time left. A year after he was in the same position and doing the same shit that put him there to begin with, that was the moment I knew I wasn't ever putting myself or kids in that position but I also knew I didn't want to take the road my grandparents did accumulation of wealth and property by working myself to the point I am in my 80s and body so broken they never enjoyed life so their son could kill himself with ease by 55. So I spent the ages of 33 to 38 investing in all the same businesses my grandmother and grandfather did busting my ass for 5 years at which point I had enough to retire comfortably with a passive income could invest in education for my wife to follow her dream career, we can be comfortable and not stress while being available to be a full time dad before my sons were 3 and 1. The biggest lesson I have learned from those in my family is 1) you need to enjoy life with moderation 2) once you accumulated a steady flow of wealth it is imperative to not over spoil the next generation without leaving the wisdom of retaining the stream and a good work ethic combined with a lot of financial literacy.

    • @workingfortheirfuture
      @workingfortheirfuture 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cottoneyedJoe29looking at your channel a lot doesn't make sense - I call BS. Nice euphemism though; consider get your stories published and maybe you could make a small retirement nest egg

    • @cottoneyedJoe29
      @cottoneyedJoe29 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@workingfortheirfuture cool I could care less of your opinion

    • @JB-yb4wn
      @JB-yb4wn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cottoneyedJoe29
      Which means that you do care, even just a little. Should have stayed in school, son.

    • @cottoneyedJoe29
      @cottoneyedJoe29 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @JB-yb4wn ok cool, you are smarter than me too. Feel and think how you wish, I still don't have any negative feelings towards you either way and wish you the best. Hope some day trying to do whatever this is on the internet is gratifying for you.
      Here let me help you out:
      You have a nicer and bigger house than me.
      You are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams.
      You drive a nicer car than me.
      Your wife is prettier than mine.
      Your kids are all better than mine.
      You are more handsome than me.
      You have a bigger dick than me.
      Great! I am truly happy for you, but I still don't need to try to find my happiness trying to swing my dick around in comment sections to try and drag other strangers down with nothing to gain. Truly and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, I wish you nothing but the best and hope you find something more creative to do with all this misguided anger at a complete stranger.

  • @kylehamilton9418
    @kylehamilton9418 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    You mentioned Anderson Cooper but not a word on James Vanderbilt. He's written a ton of popular movies.

    • @OG_Agrivar
      @OG_Agrivar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's a really nice dude! We used to hang out WAY back in the day, when he summered on Nantucket.

    • @browneyes2674
      @browneyes2674 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I met him on the island of Phuket

  • @mikehall962
    @mikehall962 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    What if you do an episode on the most lavish parties in history? That could be interesting.

    • @btetschner
      @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is one called The Most Decadent Banquets in History

    • @williamphillips2671
      @williamphillips2671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol this 👆🏻

    • @limhan3209
      @limhan3209 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd rather not watch that drivvle

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Imagine mutton chops... but, like.. way more.

    • @thisguyagain7857
      @thisguyagain7857 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I got a beard that is about twice as long as this guy's and I was thinking how it would look if I just reverse mohawked it now I do.

    • @inkdreams5113
      @inkdreams5113 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Buffalo chops?

  • @christinep5524
    @christinep5524 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    6:51 I've visited their manson in Hyde Park NY as it's now a historical site. Beautiful!

  • @soldierboy9313
    @soldierboy9313 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The definition of poor,according to the rich , is having a few million in the bank

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I went to an Xmas family party with a friend surviving on her widows' pension, quite proud she was making it w/o being on welfare. Her younger sister and husband were complaining at the table about how they were "scraping by" on 130,000 a year.

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:36 The public school system I attended from 1st-12th grade was Burwell Public Schools, which was also District 100.

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A+ video!
    LOVE IT! What a fascinating American history!

  • @Inukshuk67
    @Inukshuk67 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    There is no way that $1,000 in 1812 would be only 28,000 in today's money.

    • @tadcastertory1087
      @tadcastertory1087 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They get these figures by applying inflation over the period to the sum. However, the purchasing power of that £1,000 is not taken into account. The purchasing power of that £1,000 was enormous.

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tadcastertory1087 of course. you could be a salt box HOUSE in the USA for 500. Try buying a house today for 28,000. That a down payment on an SUV.

  • @graveyardrumblers
    @graveyardrumblers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Been to the Biltmore... Quite impressive.

  • @tkyap2524
    @tkyap2524 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Less inclined to earn and more likely to spend" - the final nail in the coffin.

  • @TTOS69
    @TTOS69 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Same happened to our family. One uncle who had the most money in the beginning ruined the entire family name and anything we had.

  • @LadyPantera57
    @LadyPantera57 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My grandmother's family had several women's clothing stores and my grandfather had a business in life insurance. My family lived in beautiful homes that were featured in magazines, had live-in housekeepers, vacationed in Hawaii, owned villas in Mexico, had beautiful artwork, and were living fabulously! It's hard to say where the breakdown began, but they eventually ended up in a mobile home community for seniors. There were at least two occasions where they sold homes just a little too early and those homes would have been worth much more just 1 year later. Maybe they were living outside their means and had no choice, but ended up selling their way to the bottom with each home they moved to.
    Now we're all humble people who work hard and live normal lives.
    I didn't grow up rich, but my mom did and it definitely affected her perspective on what acceptable spending is. I think often when you're brought up with a lot of resources, you never learn how to save because you always think the money is going to be there. I wasn't taught how to save and only started to figure it out in my early thirties.
    I'm sure the same was true for the Vanderbilts, though because they had gotten to such a high level of wealth and fame, they still have nepo baby status, giving them advantages that average people don't have. Anderson Cooper may not be receiving a trust fund, but he likely has the career that makes him millions because he's a Vanderbilt.

  • @shellylofgren
    @shellylofgren 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +510

    My aunt passed and I inherited some of her portfolio and cash savings, I’m 51 with about 400k cash in savings and as usual everybody’s preaching invest, so what stocks are a good long term buy, only major purchase I intend to make is buying a home in 5years from my returns

    • @philipr1759
      @philipr1759 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Lucky you, I’d buy a lot of tech stocks and Dividend portfolios with that.

    • @donna_martins
      @donna_martins 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Don’t come to TH-cam looking for TH-cam advise, instead contact a fiduciary for proper guidance.

    • @Robert_Seaman
      @Robert_Seaman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same, I just use TH-cam for research purposes, I run all my major investment through an investment adviser, the market is just too unstable to handle things on your own.

    • @EllenAbrex
      @EllenAbrex 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How do I reach out to a financial advisor, my portfolio has been struggling since 2022 and I’ve been holding on by the skin of my teeth.

    • @Robert_Seaman
      @Robert_Seaman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Vivian Jean Wilhelm a highly respected figure in her field. I suggest delving deeper into her credentials, as she possesses extensive experience and serves as a valuable resource for individuals seeking guidance in navigating the financial market.

  • @markstevenson6635
    @markstevenson6635 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    How to make a small fortune: start with a very large fortune

  • @VirgusMaximus
    @VirgusMaximus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You should do a video of George C. Boldt and Boldt castle

  • @kyt-nh1ef
    @kyt-nh1ef 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    "how a very rich family became a less rich family

  • @goby1000
    @goby1000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Its a saying. One weak link can break the chain of a mighty dynasty!

    • @mehnah5033
      @mehnah5033 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I understood that reference 🫡

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    2:31 Railroads, ferries, steamboats...those are some valuable investments!
    It would be awesome to have more of those, especially the railroads, in the country today.

    • @Stephanie-ip9yj
      @Stephanie-ip9yj 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wish they were as valuable of an investment in Monopoly. 😄

    • @btetschner
      @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Stephanie-ip9yj Right!

    • @chromicapop4595
      @chromicapop4595 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Theres a railway that also hired lots of Chinese immigrates in western areas to help built it🤔

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most ferries are now run by state governments. there's no "investment" per se. Steamboats are a great hobby.

  • @franklymaria1532
    @franklymaria1532 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can you do a video about the Glensheen Mansion in Duluth, MN?

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never heard of it

    • @franklymaria1532
      @franklymaria1532 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PInk77W1 cool story, bro

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@franklymaria1532 ok thx

  • @TheMikeMacchi
    @TheMikeMacchi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    My mother's maiden name was Brightman.
    If you look up Brightman in American history you will find it to be prominent and central to many of the large land aquisitions beginning in the early 1600's. The Freeman Purchase and earlier.
    My brother traced our ancestry back to Newport RI where the Brightmans were allotted extensive amounts of land directly from the king of England after purchase from the Narraganssetts. My family arrived here on thier own ships and were wealthy beyond imagination.
    My brothers and I were raised in Dorchester, MA on welfare, attending public school and poor.
    You guys shoud create a documentary on us.

    • @williamphillips2671
      @williamphillips2671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      lol yeah sure

    • @CreedK
      @CreedK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s actually really cool!

    • @Berrybabyy99
      @Berrybabyy99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea no lmao

    • @TheMikeMacchi
      @TheMikeMacchi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williamphillips2671 look it up.

    • @TheMikeMacchi
      @TheMikeMacchi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CreedK if you're from the new england area you can easily learn more about this history. Many towns in southern Massachusetts have streets named Brightman. Look into it. It's fascinating.

  • @johnhanselman6371
    @johnhanselman6371 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Vanderbilt Trust Company built many towns along their railroads.

  • @nunopereira6092
    @nunopereira6092 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Edward G Robinson once said about his extensive art collection that he didn't really own anything, he was merely renting it while he was alive.

    • @jdrancho1864
      @jdrancho1864 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same with my collection of Hummel figurines. I just take care of them for the next generation.

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mr. Black the fashion consultant said: this art isn't owned. it's just visiting with me for awhile until it moves on to it's next admirer.

    • @trevorn9381
      @trevorn9381 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jdrancho1864 The next generation is not going to want those Hummel figurines. They will most likely end up on the shelf at Goodwill. My aunt collects them and I have bought several of them for her at Goodwill. As soon as she passes on I am sure my cousins will take the whole collection to Goodwill.

  • @AtillatheFun
    @AtillatheFun 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can’t get over the fact that the architect was named Dick Hunt!

  • @shaunalea823
    @shaunalea823 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I live about 20 minutes from the “Biltmore” it’s spectacular. I recently discovered that Cornelius Vanderbilt is a cousin of mine through Jan Von Harlem he was a barbery pirate from the Netherlands.

  • @user-gh3pz7do4o
    @user-gh3pz7do4o 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I read somewhere that generational wealth only lasts 3 generations, and it's gone.

  • @henrywinchester9372
    @henrywinchester9372 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Tough times create tough men
    Tough men create easy time
    Easy times create weak men
    Weak men create tough times

  • @auntvesuvi3872
    @auntvesuvi3872 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this! 💰

  • @hereticpariah6_66
    @hereticpariah6_66 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I guess when you start out with nothing, you aren't freaked out when you Lose everything... Like *I've* done. ... ....three times.

    • @williamphillips2671
      @williamphillips2671 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha yeah ok

    • @marknewton6984
      @marknewton6984 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hear ya! 😎

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hopefully, you make NEW mistakes like me and didn't go on repeat.

  • @Porthos240
    @Porthos240 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In Korea, where the conglomerates are reaching gens 3~5. We're seeing the consequences of never experiencing hunger.

  • @kyivwithgeofftanya5546
    @kyivwithgeofftanya5546 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Scottish proverb “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations” describes the cycle of families starting with little means who build their wealth through hard work, but by the time great-grandchildren are in charge, the family is back to where they started, with nothing.
    Does not apply to some of the banking families who have funded wars for centuries

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Certain cultures have built into their existence the preservation of wealth, unless it gets confiscated. Even then, usually they're escape plan is ALREADY in place.

  • @MattTheDreamer7199
    @MattTheDreamer7199 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    *Laughs in working class*
    Better strap up those boots.

    • @chromicapop4595
      @chromicapop4595 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I question Cornelius’s spending policy as it was obvious Vanderbilt’s weren’t money savy or literate 😂😂

  • @williamwert9684
    @williamwert9684 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting

  • @YellowPlagueProductions
    @YellowPlagueProductions 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Any plans on making a video about The Russian Imperial Romanov family?

  • @IMeanMachine101
    @IMeanMachine101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    love this!

  • @thishappycrafter272
    @thishappycrafter272 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this narrator ❤

  • @HistoryMystery989
    @HistoryMystery989 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So interesting! Thank you for your great videos!

  • @waynekarjala2032
    @waynekarjala2032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A trucking company I drove for started in 1919 as Puget Sound Tug and Barge and then added Puget Sound Truck Lines. It folded in 2008 with equipment paid for, run into the ground by the founders' grandson. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Canada in the west is LOADED with that: I see sons and grandsons bankrupt a going concern, clear title equipment, and their attitude seems to be that by being "appointed" they already have the ACUMEN. No, you don't.

  • @Echo81Rumple83
    @Echo81Rumple83 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    in hopes of finding the answer in taking down current/modern "old money" families to our levels, i found this video very fascinating; i never knew Anderson Cooper was related to the Vanderbilts, but i'm also shocked, if not pleased/chuffed, that he understands his family's history and knows how not to fall into that trap i've taken to calling it: the curse of too much wealth and very little knowledge.
    still, this is why the rich needs to be taxed: too much of it really IS bad for you in a myriad of ways.

    • @langhamp8912
      @langhamp8912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Generational wealth has gradually but almost entirely changed to trust funds and pass-through corporations. The trust fund is used to inherit wealth without ever paying taxes, while the pass-through corporation funnels money into trust funds without ever paying taxes. Combined, these two financial tools allow children to never squander their wealth. A third tool, called "user-directed charities", allows the few remaining taxes to be deferred into charities; a tax deferred is a tax not paid.
      Essentially, after a few false starts, the US has learned a system to keep the children of the affluent in perpetual wealth, without ever paying taxes.

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm all for capitalism, but I'm also all for taxing inheritance. It's friggin income you got for being part of the lucky sperm club. It's income. It's money that comes in you "earned" by not being insufferable enough to be taken out of the will. Why hard earned money from your 9-5 is taxed all kinds but wealth transfers aren't is insane.

    • @langhamp8912
      @langhamp8912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jasondashney The US does tax inheritance. It's just that your estate has to be 14 million (if single) or 28 million (if a couple) before it gets taxed. Interestingly, that figure is pegged to inflation.

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@langhamp8912 interesting. Thanks..

  • @zach7193
    @zach7193 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Well, this was something. The Rise and Fall of the Vanderbilts. Any other families like this?

    • @Gnomezonbacon
      @Gnomezonbacon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lots of them. You just don't know their names. Most wealthy families in America lose that wealth within 2 or 3 generations. All it takes is 1 cocksucking grandkid that ruins the family with his cocksucking ways

    • @pokelynke8232
      @pokelynke8232 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Many, but none were as prominent as the Vanderbilt's.

    • @candice_ecidnac
      @candice_ecidnac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Of course. The saying "The first generation makes [the money], the second generation spends it, the third generation squanders it" came about because it's so common that the kids of magnates end up blowing the vast fortune they inherited.
      There are [very] few exceptions though. Paris Hilton comes to mind; she makes lots of money on her own.

    • @meanderinoranges
      @meanderinoranges 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On a long enough timeline, all of them.

    • @chrismorris6865
      @chrismorris6865 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Honestly, most of the fortunes from that era are gone now. I do know that the Strauss family (Co Founder of Macy's, and the old couple you see on the bed in Titanic who both perished) lost everything eventually as well.

  • @eileenahern-ku9nx
    @eileenahern-ku9nx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I know a family, they were friendly but their father was very greedy.
    They died and all their wealth was gone.
    Greed was the problem ❤

  • @noneyabizz8337
    @noneyabizz8337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My family apparently was pretty well off before the depression.

    • @candice_ecidnac
      @candice_ecidnac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      FYI if you're talking about the event, the d should be capitalized, as in the Great Depression. Otherwise you're just talking about mental health issues, garden variety depression.

    • @noneyabizz8337
      @noneyabizz8337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@candice_ecidnac pedantic.
      Use context cues

    • @candice_ecidnac
      @candice_ecidnac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@noneyabizz8337 I said it as an FYI. I wasn't rude or judgmental but sure, call me pedantic because you don't like to be informed. Always best to belittle someone than to learn. I'll mute you and we don't have to interact anymore but I do hope you'll be more open to learning in the future; there's so much you obviously need to learn.

    • @noneyabizz8337
      @noneyabizz8337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @candice_ecidnac lol, I know you'll check back.
      You're not educating, you're being annoying. If I must explain to a pedantic, one who likes his own comments too, I type lowercase. I dropped uppercase a long time ago, I type well over 100wpm, have been up around 140 when I checked a long time ago.
      Yes, you're a pedantic. No, you're not helping people. Go away, stay away.

    • @punky796
      @punky796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@candice_ecidnac They meant what they said as an FYI too; you're the one who decided to take it personally, get self-righteous, and assign your own wrong perception to their intent

  • @Conmezzo
    @Conmezzo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I heard it put like this, "The first generation builds it, thecs3cond generation enjoys it, the third generation destroys it."

  • @smokeylake6732
    @smokeylake6732 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Real story about the Rockefeller would be nice.

  • @jox4mohya
    @jox4mohya 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need more of these Feel Good stories!!!!

  • @richgreenwood7343
    @richgreenwood7343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another similar riches to rags story would be the Stroh's beer family. One of the surviving children wrote a book about it, "Beer Money"

  • @bryantgomez7135
    @bryantgomez7135 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:37 name of the song?

  • @dhyde9207
    @dhyde9207 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought there was no way I could care less about the Vanderbilts. I was mistaken.

  • @PhDrSeuss
    @PhDrSeuss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I never heard of the Vanderbilts until designer Gloria came out with her jeans. Didnt know that Anderson Cooper was her son until later in life.

    • @jdrancho1864
      @jdrancho1864 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, I'm pretty sure Anderson Cooper was her son right from the start.

  • @WhatIsayIsStupid
    @WhatIsayIsStupid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "a b boy" 😂😂😂I haven't heard of the b boy break dancing team since the 1990s n that was already old footage ,bang up job in this video

  • @stevemakeithappenvideos
    @stevemakeithappenvideos 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice history

  • @nunyabizznizz7326
    @nunyabizznizz7326 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    fun fact - Anderson Cooper is a vanderbilt, his mother is gloria vanderbilt

  • @jdrancho1864
    @jdrancho1864 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you watch the numerous videos on European nobility, you'll find that most of them did a very good job of passing their fortunes on thru the generations, as long as they didn't lose it all in this war or that.
    The current American dynasties who seem to be successful in generational wealth are the Fords, the Waltons, the Heinz family and the Mars family.

  • @speddygonzales5
    @speddygonzales5 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you please do one about the Astors, or the Spencers

  • @prettypuff1
    @prettypuff1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    See people have been wasting money for years

    • @candice_ecidnac
      @candice_ecidnac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, because they didn't have to work for it. It's easy to squander something when you have no idea what the alternative is like. The first generation built up the empire from nothing. The second generation inherited an empire and didn't have to work nearly as hard. And the third generation didn't have to do anything, as the previous ones already did it all. They're born into wealth so it's all they know. They don't have to work for it; it's just there from birth. So they have no concept of working to go from nothing to everything. That's how they squander it.
      It happens often. Stupidly often.

    • @markstevenson6635
      @markstevenson6635 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The prodigal son over and over again

    • @prettypuff1
      @prettypuff1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@candice_ecidnac exactly!!!
      Idk how they managed to squander it all so quickly.
      I will no longer feel bad about getting “a little treat”

  • @whotfstolemyusernamewhtalo5949
    @whotfstolemyusernamewhtalo5949 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you make a video on beatrice cenci?

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:27 It is crazy that one person can own more than the U.S. treasury, what sense does that make?

    • @jasondashney
      @jasondashney 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back then the gov't was tiny. Today it's a bloated, monstrous mess in deep, deep debt. Someone with 0 debt and $100 in the bank has trillions more than the US Gov't. Also, everything in the treasury in what the gov't literally gave itself.

    • @karlfonner7589
      @karlfonner7589 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was before the federal reserve. You know, the guys who got Kennedy’s head blown off.

  • @darkmatter5424
    @darkmatter5424 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The fact that Cooper Anderson had to end up working for CNN is proof of the family's fall from grace. 😅

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:36 Speaking of $100 bills...
    The new mini series Franklin, which stars Academy Award winner Michael Douglas as Benjamin Franklin, is beign released on April 11th.

  • @josehenriquez3274
    @josehenriquez3274 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Insane. Same thing happened to Mansa Musa. All the worlds wealth reduced to zero

  • @dwightschrute3862
    @dwightschrute3862 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been to the biltmore twice, and it’s a really cool place. If you have the chance, you should go

  • @dougmurray7684
    @dougmurray7684 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No one ever speaks of the one son who inherited the Vanderbilt mansion in WNC. He passed in 2017 or 2018 but the house was a business all in itself. Remains that way today. It appears they may have been doing ok.

  • @scotttroyer
    @scotttroyer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Little known fact: I was just at The Breakers yesterday. Today, you release this video. That's some Weird History.

  • @Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts
    @Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cooper "identifying" with his father who grew up poor, instead of his rich mother is hilarious.

  • @kirbymarchbarcena
    @kirbymarchbarcena 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always remind my kids that I could not give them the lavish lifestyle that they want since my own salary along with my wife's salary barely make ends meet. If they want to, they have to earn it.

  • @justinshankle
    @justinshankle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So who owns the Biltmore now? It has to be worth a few million. I thought it was still owned by the Vanderbilt family.

  • @dennislogan6781
    @dennislogan6781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Vanderbilt's remind me of Ghengis khan's family, just because dad could make a fortune and empire doesn't mean the kids can keep it going.

  • @keithss67
    @keithss67 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They didn’t “lose everything” they just spent it down over the course of about 100 years. By the 3rd generation they considered themselves “aristocrats” in the European style. Business was beneath them. You throw in the advent of income taxes and estate taxes and they simply outspent the money 🤷‍♂️

  • @alankordzikowski7670
    @alankordzikowski7670 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting! As someone from the Hudson Valley region of NY, and not far from their Hyde Park mansion. I find this interesting

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    5:22 I want to go to Biltmore!
    Right now, the cheapest price for admission to Biltmore house is $70.

    • @gdan58
      @gdan58 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've always been willing to let them visit my own home for free if they'd be willing to waive the entrance fee. Doubtful they'd take me up on that though.

    • @justayoutuber1906
      @justayoutuber1906 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what a scam

  • @gettfoffmynews3315
    @gettfoffmynews3315 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My family has the same M.O. we owned a farm, my great grandfather bought it, his children inherited it, ruined it, and we never had the opportunity to have a piece of it. It was sold off before I came of age to make a difference, and now we are all effed😂

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've known a few families that EASILLY would be worth a 100 million today if the brothers wives didn't need a new car ever two years. That DRAINED the cash flow of the business, so they make stupid moves like selling an ENTIRE BUSiNESS BLOCK in a choice downtown area, and became renters. Cash drain meant they couldn't EXPAND when opp. came knocking. Then having done that, any competitor marched right by them on the way to success.

  • @flicka25
    @flicka25 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    FYI Gloria even launched the perfume 'Vanderbilt'. Gloria's life would make a great video....there was the book ' Little Gloria..... Happy at Last' which was made into a docuseries.

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    7:49 Vodka martinis are amazing!

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m 63. Never had one

    • @btetschner
      @btetschner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PInk77W1 I have probably had at least 100 Vodka martinis, it was the main drink of mine for grad school.
      They are all over pop culture, like James Bond, Crocodile Dundee, etc...actually martinis (not sure if they are vodka martinis) were just in three films I watched yesterday (Batman, Beverly Hills Cop, and Matrix Revolutions).

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btetschner
      I’m weird. I’m 63 never had a beer. I don’t drink in general. Last year I rode my bicycle from
      Tx to key west Fl. I stopped at my brothers house in Gainesville. He walked up to me and
      Said “I know u don’t drink, but try this.”
      It was Bailey Irish creme on the rocks.
      I drank it and said
      I can see how people get addicted to this stuff

    • @btetschner
      @btetschner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PInk77W1 I really like Bailey's in coffee.

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btetschner I don’t drink, but I can tell that was some good stuff. LoL

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:52 Spree: The Unofficial Candy for Shopping

  • @HORSEYANIME2024
    @HORSEYANIME2024 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pls mention the historical homes owned by the Vanderbilt family

  • @IsaacTuduriLlabres
    @IsaacTuduriLlabres 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I know is not the same kind of rich people at all... but many athletes, NBA or NFL players, or Boxers or Rappers usually end up being broke...
    You have to be smart to keep your wealth and fortune over the years and decades...
    Some rich people know how to invest their money and they don't waste it...
    But others start spending a fk ton of money on stupid BS like ultra-expensive cars or crazy expensive parties,✌🏻street worker ladies✌🏻, drugs... etc.

    • @calcaleb7041
      @calcaleb7041 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Why you deleted the same comment you just made 🤣🤪🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @ladysnowblood
      @ladysnowblood 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's called "hood rich". They have never had wealth so they blow it immediately. Same w lottery winners. It's easy to spend it all when you didn't earn it.

    • @TheMikeMacchi
      @TheMikeMacchi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No.
      You were right with your first sentence. It's absolutely not the same kind of wealth. There are calibers of wealth that cannot be flushed no matter the size of the drain. Royal families etc. Owners of entire nations. Real Bluebloods. Forgettaboutit.

    • @IsaacTuduriLlabres
      @IsaacTuduriLlabres 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheMikeMacchi Ok...👍🏻 but Royal Families is a bad example... they're funded by the Tax Payers and most of their properties belong to the State...

    • @TheMikeMacchi
      @TheMikeMacchi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IsaacTuduriLlabres ok. That is true. You'd have to consider in that case that these royals accumulated a nation of wealth through these taxes and WERE the embodiment of the state. Know what I mean? They owned the place... So anyone living in the nation constantly owed them. It kinda goes beyond the realm of money also so yes, you have a point.

  • @-Thauma-
    @-Thauma- 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you, sweetheart 🥰

  • @siphotheguy1870
    @siphotheguy1870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My family lost all it's money. All 5 dollars of it.

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I slept in my car 2000-08 to pay child support. Doing great now

  • @kimberley3577
    @kimberley3577 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can we get a video of the top 400 people in New York’s high society? ❤

  • @amandaflatley1216
    @amandaflatley1216 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like the Vanderbilts are mentioned in red dead redemption 2