Also, for anyone confused about 5:03, Amakusa is indeed a different take on Shirou. This is a huge misconception that requires you to read between the lines. And its not just having the same name. -He looks like Shirou -Acts like shirou -Has the similar goals for mankind as shirou (Thats why he's the vessel) -Has the same brown skin/white hair design as EMIYA (This isn't coincidence) -He was raised by Risei (This also isn't coincidence, its an alternate take) -Shoots black key projections out the air against frankenstein like Shirou -Looks EXACTLY like Shirou's heavens feel bad end counterpart (You'll know if you've seen the movies) This is just few things. I know who amakusa is, I did his lore years ago. Look at his materials, his other name is Shirou Kotomine. He's literally a what if Shirou was raised by the church instead of Kiritsugu. Maybe I should've done an analysis on Amakusa sooner. I just assumed this to be common knowledge. I will clear this all up later.
@@CheckmateMagician No, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying he isn't amakusa shirou, he is, that's the whole point. Thats the core focus of his character. What I'm saying is theres another layer on top of this that isn't pointed out explicitly. He's not a pseudo servant or any of that. Its just another layer.
I can now clearly picture a Muramasa/Emiya trying to reach avalon because someone told him that it's THEORETICALLY possible to reach avalon and find merlin and in this timeline against all odds he manages to find him anx merlin is both impressed and heart touched that the pupil of his pupil came to him that he both teaches and bestows upon him excalibur
@@SilverYPheonix He Had Avalon implanted into him by his adoptive father during his childhood that's what kept him alive so long. I thought it also changed his Origin and Affinity to Blade (or Sword unsure of which because I've seen it go back and forth) that having Avalon implanted in him extended his life greatly and also would have ended up helping get to the eternal paradise of Avalon where Artoria was waiting for him.
@@SilverYPheonix the True Ending or Final Episode is confirm by Nasu to be the continuation of Fate route, it was added in the Realta Nua version as a fanservice for fans that want to see Shirou reunited with Saber.
@@SilverYPheonix I only remember it change his element into sword, his origin I'm not sure but we know that origin is big thing in the Nasuverse so I think it can be change isn't plausible
remember Shirou was actually trained wrong (not as a joke unlike that guy in Kung pow who was trained wrong as a joke) Kiritsugu didn't want Shirou to end up like him so yeah was told the wrong info to keep him leveled.
@@ThaGuyXaii its because of Shirou's crazy levels of determination and willpower And I mean he is undiagnosed type of crazy and uses whatever power and thinking he can to win
Imagine if Kiritsugu did train him right. I might like fate stay night even more. And you reminded me too re watch kung pow now. That movie is a part of my past.
Well it wasn’t to keep him leveled. It’s just that universally Projection magecraft is doo-doo. Shirou is the only exception since both his Origin and element is “Sword” so he can project Swords to near perfection. If Shirou projected anything else it’d be doo-doo.
@@Binks129 his projection is still pretty advance since the things he make actually work and not just a hollow shell, high-tech fishing rod and cotton candy machine to name a few.
side note: muramasa being able to obliterate concepts and cleave reality marbles in half is something the world is technically supposed to kill him for Since he's using extremely high authority without divinity If shirou attained a form of divinity he may be able to bypass this completely and do things far greater than we've ever seen
I feel like if something akin to what was described here happened, the world would either be sicking an overwhelming number of counterforce interventions on this Shirou, or forcefully drafting him into being a damn Grand/something similar.
@@ASNS117Zero I'm leaning on the second option, since we now know that becoming a Grand means only being able to intervene once a Beast is detected/about to emerge.
This reminded me of Shiki's mystic eyes of Death. Her being able to kill everything and anything by hitting the "core" is also technically possible to cut through a reality marble... Tho I wouldn't like to see this fight at all. No Reality Marble user vs Shiki would be satisfying, in the most case at least)
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 Part of the reason why he'd likely never be a grand is the fact that he's perfectly suited to be a counter guardian since he will go on with efficiency indefinitely Only version of him that could be a grand is one that there's no information on One thing I should've also mentioned is that nasu states that shirou was literally born in the wrong era We can guess that the reason is for saving humanity but the question is if there's a pruned timeline that had him born in or around the age of gods where he would've become legendary
I mean why not? Being a pseudo-servant itself is an easy way to do that. Look at Rin Ishtar/Ereskigal or even Illya with 1 out of 3 heoric spirits inside her is a god. Also Alien god mixes some kind of gods in Shirou body. He must have divinity somehow.
So in this theoretical PerfectShirouverse, - The Grail’s Curse on Kiritsugu isn’t so strong that it destroys the Emiya Family Crest. Thus, in the future, Shirou has Time Alter. - In the short time he lives with Shirou, Kerry decides to train him as a mage to become the next Mage Killer, in preparation for the next Grail War. Thus, Shirou gets weapon manipulation and better projection; perhaps equal to his peaks in the VN by the time the war starts. - The damage to Shirou’s pre-Grail home isn’t as terrible. Whilst his parents die and he gets amnesia, he chances by his old home and finds a relic which opens up the Muramasa connection. Perhaps his side-job or hobby isn’t helping people in this universe; it’s learning about Japanese smithing. Thus, Shirou gets weapon smithing. - Instead of joining the archery club, Shirou commits to his Origin and his connection with Taiga to take up Kendo. Thus, whilst not an expert, he’s a pretty good swordsman by the time of the Grail War. - Then the Grail War starts. Shirou summons Saber, and through their connection, learns to project both Excalibur and Avalon. - Throughout the war, Shirou clashes with EMIYA. Through the past-future-learning effect, he learns about UBW. If EMIYA has to donate his arm in the war, that connection will complete the learning. - Shirou encounters Medea. + Rule Breaker. - Shirou encounters and fights Gil, and probably beats him due to Gil underestimating him and getting destroyed by this stronger Shirou’s improved UBW. In any case, + whichever prototype NPs Gil uses. - Some version of Heaven’s Feel’s ending occurs. Ilya saves Shirou with a completed Heaven’s Feel, so when he’s reborn he has infinite mana. - Unfortunately sometime after the Grail War the Mage Association would show up to seal-designate him. It’d take awhile, but Shirou being the overly just person that he is, would probably concede. But not before trying his damndest to be a hero of justice and probably learning some Muramasa secrets on the side. - Eventually he dies, but is conscripted by the Counter Force. Through his experience as a guardian, he gets even stronger. A few rogue Grail Wars here, a few larval Beasts there… - Instead of being suicidal like Archer EMIYA, this version’s wish to free himself from the Counter Force would involve using Grandpa Muramasa’s dream. Either by Singularity or by rogue Grail War, this version of EMIYA attains an iteration of Tsumukari Muramasa. He uses its fate-defying powers to cut himself off from the Counter Force. And from there, the ultimate protagonist can go off to do whatever he likes… which, despite this being close to a Heaven’s Feel route, will probably still involve being Saber’s cook.
Me, sitting next to the Tree/in Akasha: "Ah... You were so close to where I stand, Shirou Emiya. But I suppose a human desire provided a different outcome for you. No matter. I can wait for another... Well... As long as this dimension still exists, that is. Once it ceases to function. I must move on." The Tree: "No one will be here. Or at least, not in this state of time..." Me: "I suppose so... ... ... Maybe it's time that I begin my interventions upon existence itself."
I think the only thing I’m iffy on with this is Shirou dying. He’s become and immortal spirit with infinite mana, I don’t think he can die, at least, not in the conventional methods
Seeing a properly trained Shirou Emiya was cool. Seeing an properly trained Shirou with ever advantage and heritage he could have just based on things hinted at and teased on his other paths make me think he could at the very least in his early 20s be a threat to the Dead Apostle Ancestor's before even becoming a Heroic Spirit.
@@blackgokuamv559 there is a great fanfic called From Fake Dreams, shows a properly trained shirou, that is somewhat a DAA but not quiet. Excellent read.
@@Symbine there was another fanfic (can't remember the name though) where at the end of fate/zero, instead of being saved by Kiritsugu, Shirou got sent to Uruk by the counter force of Gaia, where he was saved by Gil' parents and ended becoming a psuedo-demi-god and an older brother to Gil, Later in the fanfic when Gil and Enkidu fight the bull of heaven, Shirou ends up fighting Age of god's OG Ishtar and actually beats her (IIRC he broke her neck?)- though this does end with dying from the injuries he got during the fight
Are you forgetting that he would also be trained by the holy church part i would say 15 or even 10 given he would also get eyes like shikis so easy kills from distance
I’d love it if we got a spin off where we meet this version of Shirou, except he’s old like in 70s or 80s, with a literal lifetime of searching for as much power as possible. Shirou deserves a classic “super powered old anime man” moment. Just imagine old Shirou walking out to see what’s bothering his yard, and the moment a villain disrespects him, hundreds of sword impale them from every angle in a blink of an eye without Shirou moving a muscle
I see Shirou entirely as an "infinite potential" character. That was probably the goal for him in the first place too. Where putting everything together like in this video would just have him be so powerful that only Gods could stop him (even that would be debatable)
Yeah, unlimited potential but easy to give limitations to the user while can still be OP in certain scenarios and situations. Ryougi Shiki and Tohno Shiki's MEODP are also the same, Unlimited potential (can kill anything) but is limited by User (being a human), the only difference is that MEODP is far less flexible power than "projection" in terms of narrative potential.
@@Souljaboyo477 He definitely have infinite potential due to projection and also his status as a Guardian, so long as Humanity creates weapons for him to project. Projection would be OP asf ability if the the Divine Construct can't be projected rule doesn't exist, though that could probably bypassed if you give him the authority of a Blacksmith God (Hephaestus) or something.
Now take all that, make him a Servent, make it so he actually gave his name or a title so he would have a proper Legend to draw power from, and throw him into a Chaldea Singularity Event so he could actually have access to that Legend's power without the story taking place in the future, and you basically have a God of Weapons cruising around sniping people with disposable legendary tier weapons.
Tactical battleship except it's bullets are infinite; except the ship can deploy a fantasy world to have nigh infinite missile launchers with almost infinitely fast firing speed; except the ammunition it fires are legendary weapons capable of wiping civilisations; except it will cut you into oblivion with his master swordsmanship by cutting your very concept of life force if you even think getting close would earn you the kill; except you can't kill him anyway. Wew, that was a shit ton to write.
I mean isn't this where From Fake Dreams!Shirou is going to become? He had better magecraft from training from Kiritsugu, has his Magic Crest and probably other things I don't know about.
You know when you said Shirou at full potential I was thinking oh ok he just gonna talk about miyuverse Shirou since that's him when he had actual training in magecraft from Kiritsugu and he has the strongest grasp on his tracing out of any non heroic spirit version of himself. But this was absolute fucking insanity....take this like👍.
It's basically all Shirous from the multiverse merged into one. This reminds me of Sayaka from Madoka Magica who after death all her lives in infinite timelines merged into her Angel form making her overpowered while she was already immortal.
I mean the first point about Shirou have infinite prana is already showed with Oath Under Snow Shirou who had the complete support of Miyu as the grail. He essentially had enough power to (probably) hold back Angelica's Enuma Elish indefinitely but failed because the moment Miyu was warped into the Illyaverse, the prana support she gave Shirou was gone too. Remember this Shirou speedran the HGW in one night lmao.
Wow if Shirou ever had that much power, then he would be a VN protagonist in the form of a shouen protagonist. Actually screw that, he would be an Isekai protagonist at that point like damn lol. Nothing would be able to touch him unless someone tries really REALLY hard to hurt him, but by that point, he would already have a back up plan. Just my god there is broken and then there is INSANELY busted. Still a very in depth video at what would happen if he ever gets that powerful and soild job overall!
It's part of the reason some theorize that Grand Saber is actually an alternate version of Shirou who succeeded in becoming the legendary hero he always dreamed of, as that version of Shirou would be unstoppable.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 That is actually plausible... though I once read a bunch of leaks about who the grand servants are, and it kind of matches the grand servants already released (and even the upcoming grand rider Noah). Grand Saber is described as "Holding the Holy Sword made from the stars to fight the threat against Humanity", which is a clear ringer for Arthur/Artoria. So unless this alternate version of Shirou managed to get the approval of Excalibur, it's kind of hard for him to be the Grand Saber. PS: The description for Grand Rider is "Riding the Origin Beast of Calamity, Steering the Ark to save the World", which all but spells out Noah.
@@garytaylor8193 Which honestly makes me question his true parentage. A lot of the Nasuverse's magic potential hinges on people's genes and lineage. If Shiro seriously only had Muramasa as someone of note in his lineage and didn't have exceptional magic circuits in the first place, Shiro would truly be a monster in a sense.
He didn't want Shirou to go down the very dangerous path of a Mage, he didn't know Shirou would be so obsessed that he'd continue practicing the wrong way he taught him after he died.
@@blksmagma There's a popular fan-theory that the character Elza Saijo from Prototype may be his mother, she has the red hair and she had a son who was also a redhead.
“So he could be a god?” No, he will be the one the gods pray to, the one that they fear. This was sick, great in depth research too. Gotta say, got a sub from me :D
Not really... He's a worthy challenge but not impossible. Although, I usually contend with omnipotence and entities in that level of existence. For normal humans and weak Magus... You're correct in that.
@@AllOtakuProductions Reality Marbles... Reality Manipulation... The 5th Dimension... All the same to me, at different levels of function. Maybe to a Magus, Reality Marbles are of the few things to achieve. But to me, well... It's easily broken... Then again, after fighting against omnipotence day to day. I'm not impressed by Reality Marbles.
@@endskys "Real" humans do not understand the gravity of what I want to speak of... But that's neither here nor there. I do as I desire, just as humans suffer for others who could care less... Mankind... ... ... What a waste of a planet.
One thing is that if Shirou ever semi merged or got possessed by Hephaestus he could make, and use all divine noble phantasms he has without any drawbacks including Excalibur and if he has muramasas sword along with heavens feel perpetual motion machine he would be able to essentially endlessly sever fate, karma and other things. Being able to seamlessly call upon the history of basically any hero or god through his reality marble the best creator of divine tools, and other instruments assuming he has Muramasa and Hephaestus's knowledge.
Now i want to see a shirou with hepheastus inside him go to artoria or gil then copy excalibur or ea for see their reaction then leave or fire a enuma elish on gil
Also something that people done know nameless which is the fate extella version of shirou had ended up fighting a BB-chan who had absorbed the mooncell into her and after his master hakuno had unlocked his spirit origin he was able to basically beat bb down until she finally gave up
I came up with the concept of a grand counter guardian basically Shirou Emiya/Archer becomes The counter forces favourite and chosen champion and is bestowed multiple enhancements including dozens of skills some EX ranked, massive boosts to stats, multiple Noble phantasms (not including the ones he copies) and infinite amount of mana I called him Byr archer (the concept is he’s been around for more than a billion years fighting in multiple different timelines and faced every possible servant including other versions of himself)
Imagine the Fate Universe as an MMO. Shirou's Full Potential as described in this video is the equivalent of him reaching Lv100, unlocking every ability, and minimizing all of his abilities' cooldowns.
Yo the only reason he slept with Maiya was to prepare to "betray" Irisviel in an even bigger way by letting her die to become the grail. It was self-punishing.
We absolutely need a god tier Shirou route just to see him as the proper villain route. Imagining a damn near impossible to hear version of the iron hero would be amazing.
I want to point something out. If this Shirou's projections are so good that they may as well be the originals, wouldn't it mean that this Shirou is either a True Mage at this point, or at least extremely close to achieving the True Magic of Creation? My best guess would be that this Shirou's UBW and ULW would at some point actually evolve into True Magic.
Without a doubt the most powerful version of Shirou would be an alternate dimension where HE was the last Master in FGO instead of the player character. Not only would he encounter numerous Noble Phantasms but would never HAVE to share his mana with his Servants and they wouldn't be weaker because of him either. Additionally, since he meets and can summon multiple versions of Emiya the memory/skill absorption he got in UBW and Prisma/Ilya would be way more effective. It might even extend to Muramasa. Plus there is the added benefit of the best mages and warriors in history to train with, including Kiritsugu as Emiya Assassin. Also, if 's theory is right then Amakusa is probably using Shirou's body as a full possession Demi-Servant and could also be learned from. This is all ignoring him using Chaldea and/or the Moon Cell to see or meet alternate versions of himself.
I'd like to say he'd at least have 1 Avalon if not multiple because this is a composite Shirou Emiya/Heroic Spirit Emiya's (Nameless, Emiya Archer/Alter, assassin), Muramasa, Amakusa. He'd receive support from either both the Mooncell and Counter Force at the same time or separately depending on the time and situation. Edit: He was possessed by Angra Mainyu and so he has a connection to him and because this is a composite Shirou Emiya he'd get the wish granting ability Angra Mainyu had as well as his knowledge, weapons, powers, and skills. 2nd Edit: I forgot he'd also have at least 3 if not more holy shrouds.
This is what i told to the boys back in the day when they thought that shirou pull some deux ex machina stuff in FSN and never read fate zero anyway: you had no idea of what he could do if kiritsugu was able to teach him actual magic and give him his crest, we will never had that story, he would won the grail war in one night..... alone
@@repeatbot Shirou: Gets the true Holy Grail. Also Shirou: NEVER visits the damn Tree/Akasha. But uses the Wish to become a father. Me, in Akasha: "Wholesome... But... ... .... This is why we don't intervene with the Gods and the Mortals anymore. Maybe I should burn the Tree down instead." The Tree: "Have no worries. A soul will be here... Inevitably."
This Shirou does have the possiblility to be Canon. Simply because all of those events could have happened to at least a version of Shirou or, a hypothetical Full Composite Heroic Spirit summoning of Shirou/EMIYA from the Thone of Heroes.
Would love to see a fourth holy grail war with Kiritsugu having no catalyse ended up summoning Emiya archer because their shared family name would be the catalyse instead. It would be heaven for both Kiritsugu : yes a servant that just do business without shit like pride or honor Archer : yeah, a master that just go to the point (yeah, I can work with dad !) W I bring up that here ? Because if as Epilogue Kiritsugu keep Archer and then raise Shiro together, it could result in a Shiro close enough of his full potential by the time he became adult.
@@RomulusQuironius oh you are 100% correct but then fate likes breaking its own rules all the time and spin off events make special stuff happen all the time
I’ve always thought Shirou could’ve been one of the most powerful characters in Fate, if he would have gotten the right proper training at a younger age and if he had better magic circuits.
Isn't Magic Circuits based on birth + parents/maybe related generations of the family? So there's no way to fix that without Shirou obtaining infinite mana at a young age.
Well that’s what I meant, since Shirou was just a ordinary kid and not from a mage family, he had weak magic circuits. But if that wasn’t the case though, just imagine how much stronger Shirou could’ve been if he was a proper mage.
@@JayJay_Thirteen Shirou could never reach the top 50 strongest characters in Fate even with all that, entities on the level of lostbelt kings and above are leagues above this
@@knightofthelake8112 not really because this man who practically be equivalent if not the same as Grand servants being able to replicate their feets and also replicate the weapons to train so hard to the point that his weapons that he makes are indistinguishable from The originals to the point that they're actually equivalent to that of the originals, can amp himself even further has an immortal body it has infinite magical resources that he could draw from this man is practically impossible and let's not even add that to his tactical and an analytical mind meaning that he's always like one step above his opponents added with his time alter his three reality marbles and all the type of b******* that you can add on to him
@@faith4657 Except...Grands are not like that. They are embodiment of concepts themselves, they dont have any flashy weapon that they use like Excalibur or EA, their whole existence is defined by their class (something Shirou can copy, do, and imitate). King Hassan just shows up and easily kill Shirou without difficulty. Easy as that. Immortality? That doesn't exist to KH. Copy KH's weapon? KH only has an ordinary weapon, his NP is literally skill and faith. Shirou somehow blocks that because overhype? KH has his Zabaniya that kills every one that sees it, no one is an exception. That's just one of the grands. He could technically be able to defeat Orion because Orion is not that strong againts humans anyway. He can't do shit about Romulos=Quirinus, since that dude is equal to Zeus. Give it a break. Stop this overhyping madness. Shirou is barely in the top 50's. He can't defeat Grands, then by virtue he loses to every Beasts, then by losing to Beasts he wont even stand a chance againts Type's. Sure, I agree 100% that full maximized potential Shirou can be stronger than Gilgamesh, but Grands?? No way in hell.
You know, considering Waver’s ability to bring out the potential in his students, it would be amazing and terrifying to imagine if Shirou were tutored by him.
There’s actually a really well written fanfiction where Shirou ends up reaching near his full potential called From Fake Dreams. The fic starts with kiritsugu gaining memories of all the endings (bad endings including) of the original fate game. Some crazy shit happens, currently as of writing this the Grail war is over and the story is shifting into a 27DAA arc. The fic is absolute hype especially the Gilgamesh fight where we see what it’s like when Gilgamesh goes all out.
If you are going to factor in Amakusa Shirou Then you should also factor in the ability’s Devil Amakusa Shirou from the Shimosa singularity. The curse of Annihilation that can allow a servant to regenerate from just a finger, the Onriedo Castle (which might be a part of Devil Amakusa Shirou’s reality marble) where anyone caught in it area of effect are turned into monsters. And he has Another reality marble The Hell of Shimabara which can burn the atmosphere and turn anyone’s lungs to ash that are trapped inside it. Add that version of Shirou and his abilities become even more BS.
Put simply if Shirou reached his absolute max potential, no one could stop him. Think about it for a second, Unlimited Blade Works not only allows him to make near perfect copies of any weapon he's ever seen, but his tracing also allows him to understand the weapons history and by extension perfectly utlize the skills and techniques of the wielder, effectively meaning he can fight with a near perfect imitation of their skills. He's effectively an army of legendary warriors rolled into one, only held back by his limited mana pool and lack of proper training. Take away that limitation and you basically have a god of combat with a tool and skill for any occasion.
@@stephengreenslade6279 As much as I'm on the side of logic , I'm somehow skeptical... Remember that this version of Shirou would have infinite magical energy and a ridiculously durable body as well as imitations of skills and weapons of legendary heroes of Humanity (that Includes Excalibur, a weapon that managed to make Sefar , a being who killed multiple Ages of Gods's Gods , retreat) AND the power to cut through Concepts, fate and Karma, then add to that Avalon regeneration... ... I'm giving this the benefit of the doubt and say that he might match the Beasts of Humanity but not necessarily wins against either of them...
@@stephengreenslade6279 Just to make things clear.. .. I didn't say he would beat them. Just that he would be able to match them or at least exchange blows. For Excalibur , I also didn't mean that he would have the power of the original, but he certainly would have a power very close to it due to this shirou having Muramasa skills . Let's say for example that if the full power of The Original Excalibur is 1000, Shirou would be able to use 900 or even 990. That would be enough to make a difference i believe. Especially if you combine it with his Infinite magical energy. And it's the same for every other Nobl phantasms and skills he will be able to use. Concerning Goetia Incineration of Humanity, if Shirou is able to use Avalon as a Nobl Phantasm (very possible he might be able to as he have it ...) , then he'll just evade it as it transport him to an entirely different dimension from the material and physical world : the Tower of Avalon where Merlin reside; or rather the world of Avalon as the Tower is just located in it. AAS just wouldn't affect him just like it didn't affect Merlin or anyone in it which is completely logic as it is located in a different world altogether; Whatever damage AAS did to the physical world , it will only stay *there* and not reach Avalon. It's basically a buffed Kamui. And since where talking about a Shirou with an incalculable amount of Nobl phantasms from legendary Heroes, He most likely would have a nobl phantasm or skills that would cover any weakness he may have, like Goetia ripping his soul as you've mentioned. This particular point in question makes him completely versatile as Its only limited by his imagination and the numbers legendary heroes from humanity and their individual skills that he has in his possession . And I'm pretty sure you and I don't know how many legendary heroes there were in humanity or at least in Unlimited Blade works (said heroes weapons in it and their skills tied to the weapons in question). It's a really close and Interesting match up.
@@stephengreenslade6279 You're basically overlooking the fact that I said shirou won't beat him and basically all other things I've said .. .. Please go read the description of the nobl Phantasm Avalon carefully (just like I did) and fully before discussing this. It's on the Level of True Magic and it's a nobl Phantasm unrelated to the Thrones of Heroes as it is an artifact unrelated to humanity, which means that Nega Summons can't negate it . Besides, Nega Summons negate *Attacks* from heroic Spirits. Avalon is a defensive nobl Phantasm.... I'm not over hyping anyone, I'm actually staying pretty conservative. You're the one looking a little offended even tho we're just in a conversation to understand a certain match up. Jesus, I guess I'm on the internet and that I should have expected it... Also, No nobl Phantasm in Existence can destroy the planet. According to Da Vinci (ask if you want the source) ... AAS is just pure power and have nothing conceptual to it. Avalon is not Just some place where you can enter just by firing a really powerful attack. It's located in an entirely different location akin to another reality or dimension altogether. To even get there you'd have to use an attack that can destroy or tear apart reality hard enough to show the Reverse side of the world (which also like another reality. It's not Just below the earth crust or something like that ). Just like Ea for example.
Actually, even EA wouldn't reach Avalon (if we go by da Vinci statement) . Neither can the 5 true magic apparently. I'll have to do more research on the later though as it's only something I've read about.
@@stephengreenslade6279 It's almost 12 am here . We'll continue this tomorrow if you can respond. I find this talk interesting as I'm planning of writting a Fateverse fanfic one of these days so this helps a lot .
Question, what would Emiya would look like if he was a Caster Class? And what would his Special Ability would look like? Is it still Unlimited Blade Works?
@@noname-wk5bd Chloe doesn't count because she basically living servant equivalent of EMIYA (Her abilities are derived from the Archer class card). Lionheart on the other hand is an interesting case. His usage of Excalibur has nothing on common with a broken phantasm except for the destruction after usage part. It's power scales with the durability or quality of the item used to execute the Noble Phantasm, so no it's power is not remotely comparable to a Broken Phantasm.
and in the arm video previously, someone denied me that the EMIYA we know is already his peak, even with dedication from Kiritsugu he cannot be more than that
With nasuverse power scaling full potencial shiro honestly will be mid like eather same or slightly higher than solomon and still all grand asasin hassan have good chance to kill him still
@@noname-wk5bd did you watch the video at all??? Tsiah literally said if the 3rd magic was complete, Shirou would have limitless mana, that was the first thing he said, the literal first.
@@albertoluis1544 hes around top grand servant in term of power but many thing still can kill him incuding god and other that shiro can kill and higher tier of majic still exsist And at this point it make sense for shiro to lose hes plot armor like archer
Man, this video is good just like your other ones! Really proud and happy to always come to this channel to learn more things fate-wise. Putting your own spin on it to make it more interesting to listen to, which I love. I hope to one day see a video about Douman, as I think he’s really cool, and would love to see what his whole deal is! Maybe videos on some of the Beast class servants too!
I'm surprised you didn't add Shirou's experience being a vessal for Angra in Hollow Ateraxia. Angra may be weak on the surface, But him being able to counter/self-destruct with his noble phantasm (verg Avestra) would be so cheap. Imagine being able take down Shirou just to be blown away with a powerful move out of no where.
The Time Loop in Hollow Ataraxia was a simulation made by Angra, Shirou wasn't actually involved in Hollow Ataraxia at all until the Ending Scene after the time loop had ended, where Bazett and Caren Dress Shirou Up and Paint him Like Angra because he looks like him, the only connection Angra and Shirou have thus far is that the look like each other.
@@noctislucis7247 I dont recall this, where is this mentioned? If Shirou got Angras memories from HA he would have remembered Bazett and Caren in the ending but they were complete strangers to him
@@noctislucis7247 I refently finished HA and in the ending it was just Bazet and Caren Blushing because of how much Shirou looked like Angra after they dressed him up and painted him, again I wouldn't consider that meaning Shirou obtained Angras Memories from the time loop, because in the time loop Caren and Bazett were heavily involved and met Angra/Shirou many times with Caren even getting an H scene and in the ending he had no idea who they were
Honestly, his potential was obvious the moment Shirou created a whole new Magecraft by completely f***ing up the process of Gradation Air. He took something that was viewed as useless in combat and made it into his own branch by doing it ass-backwards. As an untrained Magus cannibalizing his nerves to turn them into Magic Circuits because Kiri never taught him how to utilize his own... Yeah, properly trained, he'd be OP, and he'd likely have either the Clock Tower, Gaia and her minions, or Alaya and her Counter Guardians after his ass, maybe all three... Mostly, it's his inhuman versatility, this man potentially has an answer for everything an enemy can use against him, even if only in certain incarnations.
This is sounds like fanfiction from miles away , but as a fanfic I think it could sound possible using nasu-verse logic as a character created by some of the root's nonsense special servant amalgamation thing. because Shirou is undeniably a low tier mage who happens to had the perfect circumstances to get jump starts most of the time from his future self who already had a stat bonus from Alaia plus a bonus from actually being a servant when he was summoned . When looking at this i don't understand why people can't imagine things like conceptual stuff weapons,traits etc into characters from other series or real life when they try to imagine them as servants they just go for the bare bones of their surface level lore and ignoring that servants can do stuff they couldn't do before and that they get a bonus when summoned for the most part and they just say iTs tOo wEaK , when some actual servants can have the most useful trait from an obscure part of their lore like "Discernment of the poor" . by the way I can't digest fate last encore my mind can't handle it's master/servant relationship 4 episodes in and I am out
Don't forget that there should be an as of yet unseen timeline or two following the Archer route of Fate/Extra and Fate/CCC where he should have a Regalia, thereby giving him functionally endless mana and processing power, that specializes in recording all information on Earth, making massive constructs, and generating Noble Phantasms (and the Servants that wield them). It's not inconceivable that his Reality Marble could end up becoming a mix of his own Unlimited Blade Works and Iskander's Ionoi Hetaroi, where he generates countless replica Noble Phantasms and am equal number of replicas of their original masters. Hell, maybe that's his own version of Saber Venus' (Archer Vulcan?).
Just with the unlimited mana he can pretty much match gilgamesh fire power(with EA), he can activate noble phantasm that are not in his hand imagine 10.000 Excalibur beams
With access to the near unlimited prana and power of the Moon Cell Nameless was only able to trace 1 heavily Degraded copy of Excalibur, so yeah Divine Constructs like that need abit more than Infinite Prana to Produce, He'd still be able to spam non Divine OP NP's like Caladbolg and Balmung though
@@leonardoospino3497 just did some further digging, Nameless was only able to summon Excalibur due to the moon cell being basically a big simulation, Unlimited Blade Works is just incompatible with Divine Constructs due to them being made through divine means so UBW can't reproduce them so even with unlimited Prana shirou wouldn't be able to trace excalubur without causing lethal damage to himself
@@_BBAGG_ but yet his reality Marble is still able to undergo that feat even though it does end in his death but for this hero, you forget that he has an immortal body and he has an extremely durable body and infinite Mana so it's going to be quite impossible for him to die I can definitely see him spamming like 10,000 Excalibur
The thing stand between the Shirou we already know and the Unlimited Power Shirou is "Ideal" But if he throws away the "Ideal", he isn't Shirou anymore. ... "The Grail is the big payoff" "I'm not talking about power, Kirei. I'm talking Ideals"
Me, sleeping next to the Tree/Akasha: "It's been a few eternities. I thought mortals and their Gods were supposed to be here by now. Did their existence returned to nothingness, or did they forget what created their very dimensions?... No matter... If it must happen, then I will reclaim what was given. Well, if Akasha allows me to do this. Otherwise, I'll go observe the other omnipotent ones."
Grand Saber/Archer candidate- EMIYA Alter 2 aka Super EMIYA aka True EMIYA. With broken abilities like Berserker Lancelot whereby he heals through the damage he inflicts and the phantasms he produces are a -1 in all parameters but he can use their noble phantasms or be straight disrespectful through casting his own overedge on them or merge them together. Gae bolg breaking into two spears or swords with Diurmuid's mana cancelling before used as long range projectiles an example.
If this is heaven’s feel ending…then no, pretty much just rider. Most of the servants need to be dead and inside illya for her to ascend shirou, the only one left alive would’ve been Medusa
@@noname-wk5bd Given the higher dimensions of existence. It's not too difficult to eradicate singularities. Then again... It all depends on what the singularity is. Gaia can be destroyed, but not from a human hand who cannot exceed their own dimension.
@@noname-wk5bd I know that some NP can pierce through the Earth, but I don’t think it can just totally vaporize the whole Earth. Ps: Your comment is a bit confusing, so I might have misinterpreted it.
Composite Archer True Name: EMIYA SPECIES: High-Servant, Saint & Magus GENDER: Male HEIGHT: 186cm WEIGHT: 90kg Type: Counter Guardian PARAMETER STRENGTH: B ENDURANCE: A AGILITY: A+ MANA: A LUCK: B (EX) NP: A++ (EX) ARMAMENTS Knife, Pistol, Holy Shroud & Avalon CLASS SKILLS Independent Action: A+ Magic Resistance: A Presence Concealment: A+ Personal Skills • Clairvoyance (A Rank): • Mind's Eye [True] (A Rank): • Bulletproof Treatment (A Rank): • Wrought Iron Will (A+ Rank): • Magecraft (A Rank): • Projection Magecraft (B -> Conditionally EX Rank): • Trace On: Circuit Connection (EX Rank): • Ultimate Enchantment (EX Rank): • Affection of the Holy Grail (A+ Rank): • Scapegoat (C Rank): Noble Phantasm Infinite Creation of Swords [Unlimited Blade Works] (EX Rank) The Everdistant Utopia [Avalon] (EX Rank) Sword of Promised Victory [Excalibur] (Rank A++) The Void Creation of Swords [Unlimited Lost Works] (A++ Rank) Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May [Chronos Rose] (B+ Rank) Mystery Bisection [Phantasm Punishment] (C+ Rank) Sandalphon, Lord of Execution [Judgement Bullet] (EX Rank)
The problem with Projecting Excalibur is that, no matter how much energy you have at your disposal, it will always be incomplete for the sole reason that it wasn’t made by humans, nor (from what little I know) was it made from normal metals. It’s the very concept of victory in the form of a sword and was made by the Fey. That’s why EMIYA’s version is called Excalibur Image, as it’s a very much imperfect replica of the genuine article. Edit: also Shirou Kotomine is an entirely different person from Emiya Shirou, so his abilities can’t factor into Emiya’s.
he can alter stuff even if it limits to his small amount of Od's if he can alter a weapon and save the blue print let's say, alter Gae's blog into a sword and give it the concept of sword it will be easier and stronger projection because of his origin and element and work virtually with every weapon in his arsenal, in Miyu-verse he also projects Divine-Construct which I don't know which if it stronger than Excalibur that is Conceptual Weapons or not. there are also theoretical techniques he can learn with his reality marble, like instead projecting it to rewrite the world he can manifest it inside himself or the weapon he uses to limit mana intake, there is also a technique used by Muramasa to combine sword, it means if Shirou wants to learn he basically can alter, recreate and combine any weapon that exists in his reality marble like a sandbox game, and if he can recreate stuff by altering it a new thing technically he can bypass Gaia laws make him into the level of Magician. most of this is far fetch though...
This Shirou could snipe Heracles like before but with a bullet made from Excalibur, from a sniper rifle made from Excalibur, that could project literally thousands of Excaliburs out of Heracles' with the same attack potency. Said Excaliburs could cut through the concept of his nobel phantom or just shread through all the lives out right..in less than a second😬
That's pure bullshit bro like wth? Even in the moon cells with infinite magical energy the nameless can't even trace an Excalibur close to artoria's, and even her chances at beating heracles at full power are 50/50, emiya even if buffed to kingdom come can never defeat Heracles, we are talking about the hero who Hippolyta said at full power he can match Ares the God of War himself and even romolus quinirus decided to learn his nine lives technique, Heracles is just nerfed in stay night because of ilya suppressing his mad enhancement and summoning him in his weakest class taking away all of his abilities and noble phantasms
Full potential emiya is him projecting full auto sniper rifle NPs shooting broken phantasm excalibur morgans, or whatever the most powerful NP weapons he can get his eyes on are. And he can project multiple of the same NP. Like so much of what you talked about is so irrelevant because he’d just summon a gate of babylon ass wall of those things from a city away custom designed for the opponent he’s facing at such high output and quantity even possessing the original wouldnt matter anymore. A BP of the best NP is probably ranking 2nd best overall so when you have 30 or 30,000 of them it can overpower any NP around. Man could probably project a shotgun whose pellets are each a broken phantasm. And slow time to deck you with it. Him having sword skills or similar doesnt even matter at that point. When he has absolute rank 1 firepower from any distance the only stats that matter to him are perception and reactions. Both can be bolstered by mystic eyes and kiritsugus time magic respectively, but unless he got his hands on some god tier mystic eyes, like better than the train could typically stock, he isnt gonna have top tier perception, and while kiritsugus magic is pretty good for the very human mages in the settings of zero and stay night, it’s pretty weak at the scale of best in verse. Also his defences are best in verse with a complete 3rd magic nothing is stopping him projecting multiple rho aias or any better defensive phatasm he can grab at the same time. So realistically, he’s still very much an archer, his only weakness is getting blindsided so he always wants to put space in. And in particular he acts as very much a kiritsugu of a different power scale. Most effective when he can research his target to use NPs they’re weak to, and better at initiating combat from a point beyond where they opponent can fight back. (I would consider a cross continent BP a top tier equivilent of blowing up your entire hotel)z
Stuff like this is why Shirou and his BS is 1 of my favorite characters and why his weapon projection is my favorite superpower. With enough practice, effort and energy you can create the most overpowered BS whenever you want... Not to mention muramasa being part of his lineage he can make anti-BS weapons. cutting concepts... Gil uses Ea and fires enuma elish. Shirou: "Nah that don't work if this sword touches that wind vortex." Just thinking about it as a concept is fricking dumb. Fyi my second and third favorite superpowers are gravity manipulation ( think gravity rush or victors axe in Busou Renkin) and time manipulation (just slowing and stopping time because going back and forth through time doesn't really interest me. And you would have to logically work with paradoxes)
you reminded me of Shirou vs Angelica using ea it was a draw and then he lost, but this one have unlimited magic just imagine a remach can you beat INFINITY? (Also now they can feel the wrath of Shirou f*ing Emiya oh that abridged series is so good...) oh mate thank's this made my day i never thought that my man Shirou can be this OP under the right circumstances...
In Oath Under Snow its not shown in the Movie but he DEAFEATED EVERYONE in ONE NIGHT. Miyu wished to be saved and unconsciously gave Shirou access to her Mana reserves as a Lesser Grail itself which is why he could even use UBW before he burned out his own reserves. Still not infinite but he said every single sword contained in UBW could not stop Ea which is an instant win button.
@@adamchu2001 yea i know but the point is not doing the same but doing more use more swords that will never ran out + fire all kinds of broken phantasm's with Infinite mana sourse it's not fair to a point where he can just kill Angelica while she uses ea, you don't need to beat ea you need to kill the wielder... (hope you get my point...)
@@Skerkrov Me: Snaps Ea in half by its blade. Gil: "That's not how it works..." Me: "We of the omnipotent ones will join in this grand war... Akasha has opened the dimensional gates."
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 well it's lore vise to strong of a thing so is easier to kill the wielder like shirou done in ubw it's possible to just chopp her hand and then well F...
So in conclusion, if Shirou is or has become his full potential, he is; A literal threat to humanity, literally somewhat being a beast of humanity or a complete beast of humanity, needs more than just a sealing designation, becomes a god, has gods living inside his body if he ever fuses with them (most possibly hephaestus) and has Muramasa inside him, has a lostbelt UBW that is possibly looking more a lot like his version of Avalon, tracing so powerful that even divine constructs are not even a sweat for him to copy, his Rho Aias would be the most powerful divine shield, able to wield Tsumukari Muramasa and use Tsumakari Muramasa multiple times meaning; Unlimited Spam Works, without even dying, his sight would be extremely powerful that helps his tracing thanks to his Mystic Eyes, making him able to know every and all the other servants if he is ever summoned as a servant and is able to wield them all, the strongest servant you could ever possibly summon, is a great candidate for the title of Grand Saber, and overall a literal threat to anyone who opposes him, and for fucks sake he can even do more if he ever wants to!!! No wonder he wasn't trained properly by Kiritsugu, Shirou is just borderline- no scratch that, he is completely like a God of Gods!!! His projection/tracing ability could or can possible even evolve into the True Magic of Creation!!! Like holy cow!?!? Even EA can't beat him if this version of Shirou is canon, Shirou can literally just create multiple EAs to counter a singular EA or just make a weapon that's a complete counter to EA, maybe even possibly upgrade Tsumakari Muramasa or make a weapon that's stronger than Tsumukari Muramasa as well, making Senji Muramasa's dream sword looking like a small achievement on what he can actually do!!! DAMN!!! I may be extremely overexaggerating things or making complete nonsense here, but Shirou has just way too much damn potential to be just a VN protagonist! My take on the stats on this version Shirou is this: Strength: EX, because of his godlike strength and feats Endurance: EX, because he is basically immortal, plus the regeneration from Avalon Agility: EX or A+, this one debatable Mana: EX, don't even need to say anything else because the video already said it, plus he is able to trace divine constructs! That requires absurd amount of mana! Luck: E, because you know how Shirou always has E rank luck Noble Phantasm: EX, I mean, come on? Did you really expect something else? His UBW is a complete Lostbelt by itself! He can even create divine constructs, traced or created by himself!
Remember peoples some where in the multiverse Shirou is blood son Kiritsugu Emiya and Irisviel von Einzbern. After all in Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya Shirou is the adoptve son of Kirtsugu and Irisviel.
This sounds remarkably like "From Fake Dreams" Shirou with a few notable differences. Firstly, FFD Shirou is a form of Demi-Apostle who can cannibalize his own blood to power Avalon and knit himself back together with UBW. (He was bitten and infected but the Apostle was killed before it could form a link of paternity + wierd interaction with Avalon) Second, he's become one of the formost experts on Fae thanks to his efforts to understand and use Avalon and he can make perfect copies of it thanks to it being ingrained in his body for so long (though he can only use it's more passive functions at increased power and efficiency) Thirdly, he was both the Emiya crest AND _THREE_ swords made from Kiritsugu's remains, one for each origin (binding and severing) and one that is effectively the origin bullets in sword form... all empowered by the Angra Mainyu curse, so much so that the dual origin sword hits the SOUL as well. He also saw memories of the 4th grail war from both Waver and Kiritsugu so he access to several weapons from that war as well. He's also partially materialized his reality marble into the world permanently thanks to an accident during his fight with Gilgamesh, so he has a gateway into his reality marble through his arm (his body is made of blades) He also accidentally helped start a new field of study that's basically reverse enchanting, removing concepts from things instead of adding them. Wood that has the concept of "burning" removed for example. If he sounds OP, he still routinely gets bodies by servants but he also had nearly a decade to train and learn how to stack the deck in his favor and he typically fights like Kiritsugu does and baits his opponents into opening themselves up.
this was the potential terror that unrestrained Counter Guardian Emiya was able to unleash when he threw away his morals previewed in UBW (that was all civilian related stuff imbalances, not Magecraft)
Also, for anyone confused about 5:03, Amakusa is indeed a different take on Shirou. This is a huge misconception that requires you to read between the lines. And its not just having the same name.
-He looks like Shirou
-Acts like shirou
-Has the similar goals for mankind as shirou (Thats why he's the vessel)
-Has the same brown skin/white hair design as EMIYA (This isn't coincidence)
-He was raised by Risei (This also isn't coincidence, its an alternate take)
-Shoots black key projections out the air against frankenstein like Shirou
-Looks EXACTLY like Shirou's heavens feel bad end counterpart (You'll know if you've seen the movies)
This is just few things. I know who amakusa is, I did his lore years ago. Look at his materials, his other name is Shirou Kotomine. He's literally a what if Shirou was raised by the church instead of Kiritsugu. Maybe I should've done an analysis on Amakusa sooner. I just assumed this to be common knowledge. I will clear this all up later.
I mean ciel is his teacher so he should be skilled with them for normal emiya shirou
@@Daemon_Belial really I mean it’s not out of the possibility
@@Daemon_Belial probably gave him a few pointers if they had a positive relationship
@@CheckmateMagician No, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying he isn't amakusa shirou, he is, that's the whole point. Thats the core focus of his character. What I'm saying is theres another layer on top of this that isn't pointed out explicitly. He's not a pseudo servant or any of that. Its just another layer.
@@TsiahIV So what you imply he is what if Shirou trained under Kotomine, but he isn't exactly Emiya?
I can now clearly picture a Muramasa/Emiya trying to reach avalon because someone told him that it's THEORETICALLY possible to reach avalon and find merlin and in this timeline against all odds he manages to find him anx merlin is both impressed and heart touched that the pupil of his pupil came to him that he both teaches and bestows upon him excalibur
@@SilverYPheonix that’s the true ending for Fate route Shirou not archer, Archer is a somewhat of a fate route Shirou that never changed sabers heart.
@@SilverYPheonix I thought the miracle in question was him reaching Avalon where Artoria resided?
@@SilverYPheonix He Had Avalon implanted into him by his adoptive father during his childhood that's what kept him alive so long. I thought it also changed his Origin and Affinity to Blade (or Sword unsure of which because I've seen it go back and forth) that having Avalon implanted in him extended his life greatly and also would have ended up helping get to the eternal paradise of Avalon where Artoria was waiting for him.
@@SilverYPheonix the True Ending or Final Episode is confirm by Nasu to be the continuation of Fate route, it was added in the Realta Nua version as a fanservice for fans that want to see Shirou reunited with Saber.
@@SilverYPheonix I only remember it change his element into sword, his origin I'm not sure but we know that origin is big thing in the Nasuverse so I think it can be change isn't plausible
remember Shirou was actually trained wrong (not as a joke unlike that guy in Kung pow who was trained wrong as a joke)
Kiritsugu didn't want Shirou to end up like him so yeah was told the wrong info to keep him leveled.
And he still held his own against demigods? 💀
@@ThaGuyXaii its because of Shirou's crazy levels of determination and willpower
And I mean he is undiagnosed type of crazy and uses whatever power and thinking he can to win
Imagine if Kiritsugu did train him right. I might like fate stay night even more.
And you reminded me too re watch kung pow now. That movie is a part of my past.
Well it wasn’t to keep him leveled. It’s just that universally Projection magecraft is doo-doo.
Shirou is the only exception since both his Origin and element is “Sword” so he can project Swords to near perfection.
If Shirou projected anything else it’d be doo-doo.
@@Binks129 his projection is still pretty advance since the things he make actually work and not just a hollow shell, high-tech fishing rod and cotton candy machine to name a few.
side note:
muramasa being able to obliterate concepts and cleave reality marbles in half is something the world is technically supposed to kill him for
Since he's using extremely high authority without divinity
If shirou attained a form of divinity he may be able to bypass this completely and do things far greater than we've ever seen
I feel like if something akin to what was described here happened, the world would either be sicking an overwhelming number of counterforce interventions on this Shirou, or forcefully drafting him into being a damn Grand/something similar.
@@ASNS117Zero I'm leaning on the second option, since we now know that becoming a Grand means only being able to intervene once a Beast is detected/about to emerge.
This reminded me of Shiki's mystic eyes of Death.
Her being able to kill everything and anything by hitting the "core" is also technically possible to cut through a reality marble...
Tho I wouldn't like to see this fight at all.
No Reality Marble user vs Shiki would be satisfying, in the most case at least)
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904
Part of the reason why he'd likely never be a grand is the fact that he's perfectly suited to be a counter guardian since he will go on with efficiency indefinitely
Only version of him that could be a grand is one that there's no information on
One thing I should've also mentioned is that nasu states that shirou was literally born in the wrong era
We can guess that the reason is for saving humanity but the question is if there's a pruned timeline that had him born in or around the age of gods where he would've become legendary
I mean why not? Being a pseudo-servant itself is an easy way to do that. Look at Rin Ishtar/Ereskigal or even Illya with 1 out of 3 heoric spirits inside her is a god. Also Alien god mixes some kind of gods in Shirou body. He must have divinity somehow.
So in this theoretical PerfectShirouverse,
- The Grail’s Curse on Kiritsugu isn’t so strong that it destroys the Emiya Family Crest. Thus, in the future, Shirou has Time Alter.
- In the short time he lives with Shirou, Kerry decides to train him as a mage to become the next Mage Killer, in preparation for the next Grail War. Thus, Shirou gets weapon manipulation and better projection; perhaps equal to his peaks in the VN by the time the war starts.
- The damage to Shirou’s pre-Grail home isn’t as terrible. Whilst his parents die and he gets amnesia, he chances by his old home and finds a relic which opens up the Muramasa connection. Perhaps his side-job or hobby isn’t helping people in this universe; it’s learning about Japanese smithing. Thus, Shirou gets weapon smithing.
- Instead of joining the archery club, Shirou commits to his Origin and his connection with Taiga to take up Kendo. Thus, whilst not an expert, he’s a pretty good swordsman by the time of the Grail War.
- Then the Grail War starts. Shirou summons Saber, and through their connection, learns to project both Excalibur and Avalon.
- Throughout the war, Shirou clashes with EMIYA. Through the past-future-learning effect, he learns about UBW. If EMIYA has to donate his arm in the war, that connection will complete the learning.
- Shirou encounters Medea. + Rule Breaker.
- Shirou encounters and fights Gil, and probably beats him due to Gil underestimating him and getting destroyed by this stronger Shirou’s improved UBW. In any case, + whichever prototype NPs Gil uses.
- Some version of Heaven’s Feel’s ending occurs. Ilya saves Shirou with a completed Heaven’s Feel, so when he’s reborn he has infinite mana.
- Unfortunately sometime after the Grail War the Mage Association would show up to seal-designate him. It’d take awhile, but Shirou being the overly just person that he is, would probably concede. But not before trying his damndest to be a hero of justice and probably learning some Muramasa secrets on the side.
- Eventually he dies, but is conscripted by the Counter Force. Through his experience as a guardian, he gets even stronger. A few rogue Grail Wars here, a few larval Beasts there…
- Instead of being suicidal like Archer EMIYA, this version’s wish to free himself from the Counter Force would involve using Grandpa Muramasa’s dream. Either by Singularity or by rogue Grail War, this version of EMIYA attains an iteration of Tsumukari Muramasa. He uses its fate-defying powers to cut himself off from the Counter Force.
And from there, the ultimate protagonist can go off to do whatever he likes… which, despite this being close to a Heaven’s Feel route, will probably still involve being Saber’s cook.
Also he has to reach Avalon as well so he get the OG fate post clear scene
Me, sitting next to the Tree/in Akasha: "Ah... You were so close to where I stand, Shirou Emiya. But I suppose a human desire provided a different outcome for you. No matter. I can wait for another... Well... As long as this dimension still exists, that is. Once it ceases to function. I must move on."
The Tree: "No one will be here. Or at least, not in this state of time..."
Me: "I suppose so... ... ... Maybe it's time that I begin my interventions upon existence itself."
U should read the fanfic, from fake dreams, then. I think u would like it.
I think the only thing I’m iffy on with this is Shirou dying. He’s become and immortal spirit with infinite mana, I don’t think he can die, at least, not in the conventional methods
@@connormccarthy6741 that's what I was thinking he should be immortal
I wasn't expecting _too_ of Shirou much coming into the video, but now my eyes are open.
That is insane.
Seeing a properly trained Shirou Emiya was cool. Seeing an properly trained Shirou with ever advantage and heritage he could have just based on things hinted at and teased on his other paths make me think he could at the very least in his early 20s be a threat to the Dead Apostle Ancestor's before even becoming a Heroic Spirit.
given his reality marble , he could probably BECOME a dead apostle ancestor in record time
@@blackgokuamv559 there is a great fanfic called From Fake Dreams, shows a properly trained shirou, that is somewhat a DAA but not quiet. Excellent read.
@@Symbine Still waiting for its update though... (like it stopped updating right at the cliffhanger part)
@@Symbine there was another fanfic (can't remember the name though) where at the end of fate/zero, instead of being saved by Kiritsugu, Shirou got sent to Uruk by the counter force of Gaia, where he was saved by Gil' parents and ended becoming a psuedo-demi-god and an older brother to Gil,
Later in the fanfic when Gil and Enkidu fight the bull of heaven, Shirou ends up fighting Age of god's OG Ishtar and actually beats her (IIRC he broke her neck?)- though this does end with dying from the injuries he got during the fight
Are you forgetting that he would also be trained by the holy church part i would say 15 or even 10 given he would also get eyes like shikis so easy kills from distance
I’d love it if we got a spin off where we meet this version of Shirou, except he’s old like in 70s or 80s, with a literal lifetime of searching for as much power as possible. Shirou deserves a classic “super powered old anime man” moment. Just imagine old Shirou walking out to see what’s bothering his yard, and the moment a villain disrespects him, hundreds of sword impale them from every angle in a blink of an eye without Shirou moving a muscle
sounds like vergil
Thats vergil
@@nobu6833 from DMC? I still haven’t gotten around to all the games
old man shirou is just a retired vergil
People say this is just vergil but it actually isn't him because he isn't **MOTIVATED** anymore
I see Shirou entirely as an "infinite potential" character. That was probably the goal for him in the first place too. Where putting everything together like in this video would just have him be so powerful that only Gods could stop him (even that would be debatable)
That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard
so something like x from megaman but far more busted
Archer solos in fgo say that gods cannot beat him
Yeah, unlimited potential but easy to give limitations to the user while can still be OP in certain scenarios and situations. Ryougi Shiki and Tohno Shiki's MEODP are also the same, Unlimited potential (can kill anything) but is limited by User (being a human), the only difference is that MEODP is far less flexible power than "projection" in terms of narrative potential.
@@Souljaboyo477 He definitely have infinite potential due to projection and also his status as a Guardian, so long as Humanity creates weapons for him to project.
Projection would be OP asf ability if the the Divine Construct can't be projected rule doesn't exist, though that could probably bypassed if you give him the authority of a Blacksmith God (Hephaestus) or something.
Now take all that, make him a Servent, make it so he actually gave his name or a title so he would have a proper Legend to draw power from, and throw him into a Chaldea Singularity Event so he could actually have access to that Legend's power without the story taking place in the future, and you basically have a God of Weapons cruising around sniping people with disposable legendary tier weapons.
Tactical battleship except it's bullets are infinite; except the ship can deploy a fantasy world to have nigh infinite missile launchers with almost infinitely fast firing speed; except the ammunition it fires are legendary weapons capable of wiping civilisations; except it will cut you into oblivion with his master swordsmanship by cutting your very concept of life force if you even think getting close would earn you the kill; except you can't kill him anyway.
Wew, that was a shit ton to write.
@@swordzanderson5352 shhh bro your giving fgo ideas lol
@@noriikari8660 Shirou: Grand Servant Edition Limited banner 0.001% gacha rates lmao he'd break even leviathans
@@swordzanderson5352 if that happens I'm blaming you if I go broke
@@noriikari8660 It'll be an honour XD
SHIROU: "I want to be a hero and save the world!"
You can't do that! It's impossible
Shirou: "Hold my Saké!"
that's muramasa if it was shirou he'd say:hold my obvious quotes
@@mangkanor4081 People die if they are killed ya know
This is the fan function level of b.s.Shirou would be broken asf.
This video is a theory about his max potential so.
well it's a WHAT IF he get his full potential so yeah
What do you mean..... This is the basic template for every fanfic writer 😂
I mean isn't this where From Fake Dreams!Shirou is going to become? He had better magecraft from training from Kiritsugu, has his Magic Crest and probably other things I don't know about.
We just need to give him something that gives him better magic energy reserves like a solar powered armor or something.
You know when you said Shirou at full potential I was thinking oh ok he just gonna talk about miyuverse Shirou since that's him when he had actual training in magecraft from Kiritsugu and he has the strongest grasp on his tracing out of any non heroic spirit version of himself. But this was absolute fucking insanity....take this like👍.
That's not full potential
It's basically all Shirous from the multiverse merged into one. This reminds me of Sayaka from Madoka Magica who after death all her lives in infinite timelines merged into her Angel form making her overpowered while she was already immortal.
I mean the first point about Shirou have infinite prana is already showed with Oath Under Snow Shirou who had the complete support of Miyu as the grail. He essentially had enough power to (probably) hold back Angelica's Enuma Elish indefinitely but failed because the moment Miyu was warped into the Illyaverse, the prana support she gave Shirou was gone too. Remember this Shirou speedran the HGW in one night lmao.
Wow if Shirou ever had that much power, then he would be a VN protagonist in the form of a shouen protagonist. Actually screw that, he would be an Isekai protagonist at that point like damn lol. Nothing would be able to touch him unless someone tries really REALLY hard to hurt him, but by that point, he would already have a back up plan. Just my god there is broken and then there is INSANELY busted. Still a very in depth video at what would happen if he ever gets that powerful and soild job overall!
It's part of the reason some theorize that Grand Saber is actually an alternate version of Shirou who succeeded in becoming the legendary hero he always dreamed of, as that version of Shirou would be unstoppable.
The Fan Without a Face so underwhelming if shirou is grand saber...
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 That is actually plausible... though I once read a bunch of leaks about who the grand servants are, and it kind of matches the grand servants already released (and even the upcoming grand rider Noah). Grand Saber is described as "Holding the Holy Sword made from the stars to fight the threat against Humanity", which is a clear ringer for Arthur/Artoria. So unless this alternate version of Shirou managed to get the approval of Excalibur, it's kind of hard for him to be the Grand Saber.
PS: The description for Grand Rider is "Riding the Origin Beast of Calamity, Steering the Ark to save the World", which all but spells out Noah.
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 I mean if a version of Shirou was able to perfectly recreate Excalibur and use it himself it wouldn't be impossible.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Perfect Shirou with his noble phantasm "OBVIOUSQUOTES"
Man...
Maybe Kiritsugu was on to something when he didn't bother teaching Shirou how to use magecraft properly.
The fact that shirou despite having been taught magecraft wrong mananged to end up becoming archer says alot about his potential.
@@garytaylor8193
Which honestly makes me question his true parentage. A lot of the Nasuverse's magic potential hinges on people's genes and lineage. If Shiro seriously only had Muramasa as someone of note in his lineage and didn't have exceptional magic circuits in the first place, Shiro would truly be a monster in a sense.
He didn't want Shirou to go down the very dangerous path of a Mage, he didn't know Shirou would be so obsessed that he'd continue practicing the wrong way he taught him after he died.
I kinda wanna see this type of Shirou in like a What if episode being animated. I think it would go hard.
@@blksmagma There's a popular fan-theory that the character Elza Saijo from Prototype may be his mother, she has the red hair and she had a son who was also a redhead.
“So he could be a god?” No, he will be the one the gods pray to, the one that they fear.
This was sick, great in depth research too. Gotta say, got a sub from me :D
I love the contrast between Kiritsugu's magic and Shirou's. Kiritsugu can manipulate time while Shirou creates Marble Reality, which is space itself
Lostbelt featuring this hypothetical Shirou Emiya as the main antagonist would be interesting. I'm think Alter Ego or Saber class for him
Shirou at his full potential is more terrifying than impressive. There would be no stoping this dude and we wouldn't have anything to say about it 😐
Not really... He's a worthy challenge but not impossible. Although, I usually contend with omnipotence and entities in that level of existence.
For normal humans and weak Magus... You're correct in that.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Do you understand how a reality marble works?
@@AllOtakuProductions
Reality Marbles... Reality Manipulation... The 5th Dimension... All the same to me, at different levels of function.
Maybe to a Magus, Reality Marbles are of the few things to achieve. But to me, well... It's easily broken... Then again, after fighting against omnipotence day to day. I'm not impressed by Reality Marbles.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Bro.... Go outside man.. Talk to real people..
@@endskys
"Real" humans do not understand the gravity of what I want to speak of... But that's neither here nor there.
I do as I desire, just as humans suffer for others who could care less... Mankind... ... ... What a waste of a planet.
One thing is that if Shirou ever semi merged or got possessed by Hephaestus he could make, and use all divine noble phantasms he has without any drawbacks including Excalibur and if he has muramasas sword along with heavens feel perpetual motion machine he would be able to essentially endlessly sever fate, karma and other things. Being able to seamlessly call upon the history of basically any hero or god through his reality marble the best creator of divine tools, and other instruments assuming he has Muramasa and Hephaestus's knowledge.
Now i want to see a shirou with hepheastus inside him go to artoria or gil then copy excalibur or ea for see their reaction then leave or fire a enuma elish on gil
@@massimilianoreali4398
-Shirou fuses with Hephaestus
-Appears in front of Gilgamesh
-Copies Ea
-Refuses to elaborate
-Leaves
Also something that people done know nameless which is the fate extella version of shirou had ended up fighting a BB-chan who had absorbed the mooncell into her and after his master hakuno had unlocked his spirit origin he was able to basically beat bb down until she finally gave up
I came up with the concept of a grand counter guardian basically Shirou Emiya/Archer becomes The counter forces favourite and chosen champion and is bestowed multiple enhancements including dozens of skills some EX ranked, massive boosts to stats, multiple Noble phantasms (not including the ones he copies) and infinite amount of mana I called him Byr archer (the concept is he’s been around for more than a billion years fighting in multiple different timelines and faced every possible servant including other versions of himself)
Imagine the Fate Universe as an MMO. Shirou's Full Potential as described in this video is the equivalent of him reaching Lv100, unlocking every ability, and minimizing all of his abilities' cooldowns.
Don't forget he would have copied kiritsugu's view in having multiple women. Shirou would be clapping all his girls in his harem.
No
@@crimsonao7714 yes 😉
Yo the only reason he slept with Maiya was to prepare to "betray" Irisviel in an even bigger way by letting her die to become the grail. It was self-punishing.
He bang 4 women already
Pinnacle Shiro is next best thing from True Magic
Nice discussion on lost belt Shirou Emiya.
We absolutely need a god tier Shirou route just to see him as the proper villain route. Imagining a damn near impossible to hear version of the iron hero would be amazing.
I want to point something out. If this Shirou's projections are so good that they may as well be the originals, wouldn't it mean that this Shirou is either a True Mage at this point, or at least extremely close to achieving the True Magic of Creation?
My best guess would be that this Shirou's UBW and ULW would at some point actually evolve into True Magic.
Probably "Denial Of Nothingness" or something close to it
He'll probably also become a Dead Apostle Ancestor in record time
Without a doubt the most powerful version of Shirou would be an alternate dimension where HE was the last Master in FGO instead of the player character. Not only would he encounter numerous Noble Phantasms but would never HAVE to share his mana with his Servants and they wouldn't be weaker because of him either. Additionally, since he meets and can summon multiple versions of Emiya the memory/skill absorption he got in UBW and Prisma/Ilya would be way more effective. It might even extend to Muramasa. Plus there is the added benefit of the best mages and warriors in history to train with, including Kiritsugu as Emiya Assassin.
Also, if 's theory is right then Amakusa is probably using Shirou's body as a full possession Demi-Servant and could also be learned from.
This is all ignoring him using Chaldea and/or the Moon Cell to see or meet alternate versions of himself.
I'd like to say he'd at least have 1 Avalon if not multiple because this is a composite Shirou Emiya/Heroic Spirit Emiya's (Nameless, Emiya Archer/Alter, assassin), Muramasa, Amakusa. He'd receive support from either both the Mooncell and Counter Force at the same time or separately depending on the time and situation. Edit: He was possessed by Angra Mainyu and so he has a connection to him and because this is a composite Shirou Emiya he'd get the wish granting ability Angra Mainyu had as well as his knowledge, weapons, powers, and skills. 2nd Edit: I forgot he'd also have at least 3 if not more holy shrouds.
This is what i told to the boys back in the day when they thought that shirou pull some deux ex machina stuff in FSN and never read fate zero anyway: you had no idea of what he could do if kiritsugu was able to teach him actual magic and give him his crest, we will never had that story, he would won the grail war in one night..... alone
"Hey Saber, you can stay home. Imma end this war in a single night and alone."
@@lilulipe "Gets impaled for disrespect" - achievement unlocked
@@repeatbot
Shirou: Gets the true Holy Grail.
Also Shirou: NEVER visits the damn Tree/Akasha. But uses the Wish to become a father.
Me, in Akasha: "Wholesome... But... ... .... This is why we don't intervene with the Gods and the Mortals anymore. Maybe I should burn the Tree down instead."
The Tree: "Have no worries. A soul will be here... Inevitably."
bro is going to farm the grail wishes
So basically Shirou becomes a new God of Forge with martial skill and tenacity on par with Heracles
He’d be a bigger menace that Gilgamesh
Oh I can't wait to hear about his full potential
This Shirou does have the possiblility to be Canon. Simply because all of those events could have happened to at least a version of Shirou or, a hypothetical Full Composite Heroic Spirit summoning of Shirou/EMIYA from the Thone of Heroes.
Would love to see a fourth holy grail war with Kiritsugu having no catalyse ended up summoning Emiya archer because their shared family name would be the catalyse instead.
It would be heaven for both
Kiritsugu : yes a servant that just do business without shit like pride or honor
Archer : yeah, a master that just go to the point (yeah, I can work with dad !)
W I bring up that here ?
Because if as Epilogue Kiritsugu keep Archer and then raise Shiro together, it could result in a Shiro close enough of his full potential by the time he became adult.
So to be frank here they should make Shiro grand alter ego and just make him composite Shiro. Going to be honest he would be an unstoppable force.
If I'm not mistaken there in no extra class grands
@@RomulusQuironius oh you are 100% correct but then fate likes breaking its own rules all the time and spin off events make special stuff happen all the time
@@Arcticfox030 update: Grand Foreigner
I’ve always thought Shirou could’ve been one of the most powerful characters in Fate, if he would have gotten the right proper training at a younger age and if he had better magic circuits.
Isn't Magic Circuits based on birth + parents/maybe related generations of the family? So there's no way to fix that without Shirou obtaining infinite mana at a young age.
Well that’s what I meant, since Shirou was just a ordinary kid and not from a mage family, he had weak magic circuits. But if that wasn’t the case though, just imagine how much stronger Shirou could’ve been if he was a proper mage.
@@JayJay_Thirteen
Shirou could never reach the top 50 strongest characters in Fate even with all that, entities on the level of lostbelt kings and above are leagues above this
@@knightofthelake8112 not really because this man who practically be equivalent if not the same as Grand servants being able to replicate their feets and also replicate the weapons to train so hard to the point that his weapons that he makes are indistinguishable from The originals to the point that they're actually equivalent to that of the originals, can amp himself even further has an immortal body it has infinite magical resources that he could draw from this man is practically impossible and let's not even add that to his tactical and an analytical mind meaning that he's always like one step above his opponents added with his time alter his three reality marbles and all the type of b******* that you can add on to him
@@faith4657 Except...Grands are not like that. They are embodiment of concepts themselves, they dont have any flashy weapon that they use like Excalibur or EA, their whole existence is defined by their class (something Shirou can copy, do, and imitate).
King Hassan just shows up and easily kill Shirou without difficulty. Easy as that. Immortality? That doesn't exist to KH. Copy KH's weapon? KH only has an ordinary weapon, his NP is literally skill and faith. Shirou somehow blocks that because overhype? KH has his Zabaniya that kills every one that sees it, no one is an exception.
That's just one of the grands. He could technically be able to defeat Orion because Orion is not that strong againts humans anyway. He can't do shit about Romulos=Quirinus, since that dude is equal to Zeus.
Give it a break. Stop this overhyping madness. Shirou is barely in the top 50's. He can't defeat Grands, then by virtue he loses to every Beasts, then by losing to Beasts he wont even stand a chance againts Type's.
Sure, I agree 100% that full maximized potential Shirou can be stronger than Gilgamesh, but Grands?? No way in hell.
You know, considering Waver’s ability to bring out the potential in his students, it would be amazing and terrifying to imagine if Shirou were tutored by him.
There’s actually a really well written fanfiction where Shirou ends up reaching near his full potential called From Fake Dreams. The fic starts with kiritsugu gaining memories of all the endings (bad endings including) of the original fate game. Some crazy shit happens, currently as of writing this the Grail war is over and the story is shifting into a 27DAA arc. The fic is absolute hype especially the Gilgamesh fight where we see what it’s like when Gilgamesh goes all out.
What's the title and where can I read this?
@@MrSagaTellerfate fake dreams
If you are going to factor in Amakusa Shirou Then you should also factor in the ability’s Devil Amakusa Shirou from the Shimosa singularity. The curse of Annihilation that can allow a servant to regenerate from just a finger, the Onriedo Castle (which might be a part of Devil Amakusa Shirou’s reality marble) where anyone caught in it area of effect are turned into monsters. And he has Another reality marble The Hell of Shimabara which can burn the atmosphere and turn anyone’s lungs to ash that are trapped inside it. Add that version of Shirou and his abilities become even more BS.
Put simply if Shirou reached his absolute max potential, no one could stop him. Think about it for a second, Unlimited Blade Works not only allows him to make near perfect copies of any weapon he's ever seen, but his tracing also allows him to understand the weapons history and by extension perfectly utlize the skills and techniques of the wielder, effectively meaning he can fight with a near perfect imitation of their skills. He's effectively an army of legendary warriors rolled into one, only held back by his limited mana pool and lack of proper training. Take away that limitation and you basically have a god of combat with a tool and skill for any occasion.
@@stephengreenslade6279 As much as I'm on the side of logic , I'm somehow skeptical...
Remember that this version of Shirou would have infinite magical energy and a ridiculously durable body as well as imitations of skills and weapons of legendary heroes of Humanity (that Includes Excalibur, a weapon that managed to make Sefar , a being who killed multiple Ages of Gods's Gods , retreat) AND the power to cut through Concepts, fate and Karma, then add to that Avalon regeneration... ...
I'm giving this the benefit of the doubt and say that he might match the Beasts of Humanity but not necessarily wins against either of them...
@@stephengreenslade6279 Just to make things clear.. .. I didn't say he would beat them. Just that he would be able to match them or at least exchange blows.
For Excalibur , I also didn't mean that he would have the power of the original, but he certainly would have a power very close to it due to this shirou having Muramasa skills . Let's say for example that if the full power of The Original Excalibur is 1000, Shirou would be able to use 900 or even 990. That would be enough to make a difference i believe. Especially if you combine it with his Infinite magical energy. And it's the same for every other Nobl phantasms and skills he will be able to use.
Concerning Goetia Incineration of Humanity, if Shirou is able to use Avalon as a Nobl Phantasm (very possible he might be able to as he have it ...) , then he'll just evade it as it transport him to an entirely different dimension from the material and physical world : the Tower of Avalon where Merlin reside; or rather the world of Avalon as the Tower is just located in it. AAS just wouldn't affect him just like it didn't affect Merlin or anyone in it which is completely logic as it is located in a different world altogether; Whatever damage AAS did to the physical world , it will only stay *there* and not reach Avalon. It's basically a buffed Kamui.
And since where talking about a Shirou with an incalculable amount of Nobl phantasms from legendary Heroes, He most likely would have a nobl phantasm or skills that would cover any weakness he may have, like Goetia ripping his soul as you've mentioned. This particular point in question makes him completely versatile as Its only limited by his imagination and the numbers legendary heroes from humanity and their individual skills that he has in his possession . And I'm pretty sure you and I don't know how many legendary heroes there were in humanity or at least in Unlimited Blade works (said heroes weapons in it and their skills tied to the weapons in question).
It's a really close and Interesting match up.
@@stephengreenslade6279 You're basically overlooking the fact that I said shirou won't beat him and basically all other things I've said .. ..
Please go read the description of the nobl Phantasm Avalon carefully (just like I did) and fully before discussing this. It's on the Level of True Magic and it's a nobl Phantasm unrelated to the Thrones of Heroes as it is an artifact unrelated to humanity, which means that Nega Summons can't negate it . Besides, Nega Summons negate *Attacks* from heroic Spirits. Avalon is a defensive nobl Phantasm....
I'm not over hyping anyone, I'm actually staying pretty conservative. You're the one looking a little offended even tho we're just in a conversation to understand a certain match up. Jesus, I guess I'm on the internet and that I should have expected it...
Also, No nobl Phantasm in Existence can destroy the planet. According to Da Vinci (ask if you want the source) ... AAS is just pure power and have nothing conceptual to it. Avalon is not Just some place where you can enter just by firing a really powerful attack. It's located in an entirely different location akin to another reality or dimension altogether. To even get there you'd have to use an attack that can destroy or tear apart reality hard enough to show the Reverse side of the world (which also like another reality. It's not Just below the earth crust or something like that ). Just like Ea for example.
Actually, even EA wouldn't reach Avalon (if we go by da Vinci statement) . Neither can the 5 true magic apparently. I'll have to do more research on the later though as it's only something I've read about.
@@stephengreenslade6279 It's almost 12 am here . We'll continue this tomorrow if you can respond. I find this talk interesting as I'm planning of writting a Fateverse fanfic one of these days so this helps a lot .
Question, what would Emiya would look like if he was a Caster Class?
And what would his Special Ability would look like?
Is it still Unlimited Blade Works?
Emiya doesn't have a noble phastam, so yeah, his special ability would be UBW.
@@darielartisting4726 don’t for get he is as far as I know the only one who can effectively use broken phantasms
@@noname-wk5bd I didn’t know that sounds interesting
@@noname-wk5bd Chloe doesn't count because she basically living servant equivalent of EMIYA (Her abilities are derived from the Archer class card).
Lionheart on the other hand is an interesting case. His usage of Excalibur has nothing on common with a broken phantasm except for the destruction after usage part. It's power scales with the durability or quality of the item used to execute the Noble Phantasm, so no it's power is not remotely comparable to a Broken Phantasm.
It's still unlimited blade works. After all, that's the only magic permitted to Shirou Emiya.
and in the arm video previously, someone denied me that the EMIYA we know is already his peak, even with dedication from Kiritsugu he cannot be more than that
This was a fun video, mans is already a menace to society, but this kinda power is nuts
Dude would solo all of grand order by himself, he’ll probably almost all of the verse by himself
With nasuverse power scaling full potencial shiro honestly will be mid like eather same or slightly higher than solomon and still all grand asasin hassan have good chance to kill him still
@@noname-wk5bd did you watch the video at all??? Tsiah literally said if the 3rd magic was complete, Shirou would have limitless mana, that was the first thing he said, the literal first.
@@noname-wk5bd mind eye
@@albertoluis1544 hes around top grand servant in term of power but many thing still can kill him incuding god and other that shiro can kill and higher tier of majic still exsist
And at this point it make sense for shiro to lose hes plot armor like archer
Now he can finally be in Tsukihime.
I’ve been watching you for a couple of months now and damn u put out good content keep it up
Man, this video is good just like your other ones! Really proud and happy to always come to this channel to learn more things fate-wise. Putting your own spin on it to make it more interesting to listen to, which I love.
I hope to one day see a video about Douman, as I think he’s really cool, and would love to see what his whole deal is! Maybe videos on some of the Beast class servants too!
I'm surprised you didn't add Shirou's experience being a vessal for Angra in Hollow Ateraxia. Angra may be weak on the surface, But him being able to counter/self-destruct with his noble phantasm (verg Avestra) would be so cheap. Imagine being able take down Shirou just to be blown away with a powerful move out of no where.
The Time Loop in Hollow Ataraxia was a simulation made by Angra, Shirou wasn't actually involved in Hollow Ataraxia at all until the Ending Scene after the time loop had ended, where Bazett and Caren Dress Shirou Up and Paint him Like Angra because he looks like him, the only connection Angra and Shirou have thus far is that the look like each other.
@@_BBAGG_ you forget he got the memories
@@noctislucis7247 I dont recall this, where is this mentioned? If Shirou got Angras memories from HA he would have remembered Bazett and Caren in the ending but they were complete strangers to him
@@_BBAGG_ I forgot but I believe in the ending? The cast was blushing and such but maybe I am misremembering
@@noctislucis7247 I refently finished HA and in the ending it was just Bazet and Caren Blushing because of how much Shirou looked like Angra after they dressed him up and painted him, again I wouldn't consider that meaning Shirou obtained Angras Memories from the time loop, because in the time loop Caren and Bazett were heavily involved and met Angra/Shirou many times with Caren even getting an H scene and in the ending he had no idea who they were
Honestly, his potential was obvious the moment Shirou created a whole new Magecraft by completely f***ing up the process of Gradation Air. He took something that was viewed as useless in combat and made it into his own branch by doing it ass-backwards. As an untrained Magus cannibalizing his nerves to turn them into Magic Circuits because Kiri never taught him how to utilize his own...
Yeah, properly trained, he'd be OP, and he'd likely have either the Clock Tower, Gaia and her minions, or Alaya and her Counter Guardians after his ass, maybe all three...
Mostly, it's his inhuman versatility, this man potentially has an answer for everything an enemy can use against him, even if only in certain incarnations.
This max potential is what I wish to see one day
This is sounds like fanfiction from miles away , but as a fanfic I think it could sound possible using nasu-verse logic as a character created by some of the root's nonsense special servant amalgamation thing. because Shirou is undeniably a low tier mage who happens to had the perfect circumstances to get jump starts most of the time from his future self who already had a stat bonus from Alaia plus a bonus from actually being a servant when he was summoned . When looking at this i don't understand why people can't imagine things like conceptual stuff weapons,traits etc into characters from other series or real life when they try to imagine them as servants they just go for the bare bones of their surface level lore and ignoring that servants can do stuff they couldn't do before and that they get a bonus when summoned for the most part and they just say iTs tOo wEaK , when some actual servants can have the most useful trait from an obscure part of their lore like "Discernment of the poor" . by the way I can't digest fate last encore my mind can't handle it's master/servant relationship 4 episodes in and I am out
Don't forget that there should be an as of yet unseen timeline or two following the Archer route of Fate/Extra and Fate/CCC where he should have a Regalia, thereby giving him functionally endless mana and processing power, that specializes in recording all information on Earth, making massive constructs, and generating Noble Phantasms (and the Servants that wield them). It's not inconceivable that his Reality Marble could end up becoming a mix of his own Unlimited Blade Works and Iskander's Ionoi Hetaroi, where he generates countless replica Noble Phantasms and am equal number of replicas of their original masters.
Hell, maybe that's his own version of Saber Venus' (Archer Vulcan?).
I need Fate to take notes of this video and make this an actual Shriou servant. Idc where, it just needs to be Canon
This video was goated. I love your breakdowns. You should check out made in abyss and do a vid on bondrewd.
If this "Full potential Shirou "really revealed or just shown on the game he might become a good candidate for pretender class
Can't believe you didn't talk about his EX anti-Saber phantasm... food
Just with the unlimited mana he can pretty much match gilgamesh fire power(with EA), he can activate noble phantasm that are not in his hand imagine 10.000 Excalibur beams
With access to the near unlimited prana and power of the Moon Cell Nameless was only able to trace 1 heavily Degraded copy of Excalibur, so yeah Divine Constructs like that need abit more than Infinite Prana to Produce, He'd still be able to spam non Divine OP NP's like Caladbolg and Balmung though
@@_BBAGG_ if only he could have a place to store all those excaliburs, so he could summon them when needed
@@leonardoospino3497 just did some further digging, Nameless was only able to summon Excalibur due to the moon cell being basically a big simulation, Unlimited Blade Works is just incompatible with Divine Constructs due to them being made through divine means so UBW can't reproduce them so even with unlimited Prana shirou wouldn't be able to trace excalubur without causing lethal damage to himself
Lol at matching Gilgamesh.
@@_BBAGG_ but yet his reality Marble is still able to undergo that feat even though it does end in his death but for this hero, you forget that he has an immortal body and he has an extremely durable body and infinite Mana so it's going to be quite impossible for him to die I can definitely see him spamming like 10,000 Excalibur
The thing stand between the Shirou we already know and the Unlimited Power Shirou is "Ideal"
But if he throws away the "Ideal", he isn't Shirou anymore.
...
"The Grail is the big payoff"
"I'm not talking about power, Kirei. I'm talking Ideals"
Me, sleeping next to the Tree/Akasha: "It's been a few eternities. I thought mortals and their Gods were supposed to be here by now. Did their existence returned to nothingness, or did they forget what created their very dimensions?... No matter... If it must happen, then I will reclaim what was given. Well, if Akasha allows me to do this. Otherwise, I'll go observe the other omnipotent ones."
Grand Saber/Archer candidate- EMIYA Alter 2 aka Super EMIYA aka True EMIYA. With broken abilities like Berserker Lancelot whereby he heals through the damage he inflicts and the phantasms he produces are a -1 in all parameters but he can use their noble phantasms or be straight disrespectful through casting his own overedge on them or merge them together. Gae bolg breaking into two spears or swords with Diurmuid's mana cancelling before used as long range projectiles an example.
If he has infinite mana that means he'd keep saber after the Grail war since servants can stay manifested they just need alot of mana
If this is heaven’s feel ending…then no, pretty much just rider.
Most of the servants need to be dead and inside illya for her to ascend shirou, the only one left alive would’ve been Medusa
Some other fact of emiya ----
He can be summon in four classes
Archer
Caster
Berserker
Assassin
From the anime I watched it seemed kirigitsu never opened his magic circuits and shirou learned to create pseudo circuits with his nervous system
Shiro is without a doubt one of the best anime mc’s in all of anime
He ight
@@prettyyboyyflacko4047 better than kiritisugu
i mean, doesnt it depend on the route? ubw, heaven's fell and prisma illiya route? Hard Yes. saber route? Big Nope.
@@bullphishmongolidi8453 Illyaverse :D
@@bullphishmongolidi8453 3/4 shiro vs any of Kerry moments is still saying that shiro is better
Max potential shirou would be op that the clock tower and holy church would have to put mythic codes limiters on his power or Gaia would nerf shirou.
@@noname-wk5bd
Given that Gaia is Earth... ... ... I'll swing by this solar system if it isn't destroyed yet.
@@noname-wk5bd
Given the higher dimensions of existence. It's not too difficult to eradicate singularities.
Then again... It all depends on what the singularity is. Gaia can be destroyed, but not from a human hand who cannot exceed their own dimension.
@@noname-wk5bd I think that is also why Anti-Plane NP doesn’t exist event though some NP can even tear through space-time
@@noname-wk5bd I know that some NP can pierce through the Earth, but I don’t think it can just totally vaporize the whole Earth.
Ps: Your comment is a bit confusing, so I might have misinterpreted it.
@@noname-wk5bd is there an NP that can destroy a planet at one go?
I always wondered how an ultimate shirou would be like. Thank you Tsiah lol 🔥👌
He might as well have imperial privilege ex as 8 of skills because that’s what this shiro sounds like
Okay this is going to be a real one I can tell….
Composite Archer
True Name: EMIYA
SPECIES: High-Servant, Saint & Magus
GENDER: Male HEIGHT: 186cm
WEIGHT: 90kg Type: Counter Guardian
PARAMETER
STRENGTH: B ENDURANCE: A AGILITY: A+
MANA: A LUCK: B (EX) NP: A++ (EX)
ARMAMENTS
Knife, Pistol, Holy Shroud & Avalon
CLASS SKILLS
Independent Action: A+
Magic Resistance: A
Presence Concealment: A+
Personal Skills
• Clairvoyance (A Rank):
• Mind's Eye [True] (A Rank):
• Bulletproof Treatment (A Rank):
• Wrought Iron Will (A+ Rank):
• Magecraft (A Rank):
• Projection Magecraft (B -> Conditionally EX Rank):
• Trace On: Circuit Connection (EX Rank):
• Ultimate Enchantment (EX Rank):
• Affection of the Holy Grail (A+ Rank):
• Scapegoat (C Rank):
Noble Phantasm
Infinite Creation of Swords [Unlimited Blade Works] (EX Rank)
The Everdistant Utopia [Avalon] (EX Rank)
Sword of Promised Victory [Excalibur] (Rank A++)
The Void Creation of Swords [Unlimited Lost Works] (A++ Rank)
Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May [Chronos Rose] (B+ Rank)
Mystery Bisection [Phantasm Punishment]
(C+ Rank)
Sandalphon, Lord of Execution [Judgement Bullet] (EX Rank)
The problem with Projecting Excalibur is that, no matter how much energy you have at your disposal, it will always be incomplete for the sole reason that it wasn’t made by humans, nor (from what little I know) was it made from normal metals. It’s the very concept of victory in the form of a sword and was made by the Fey. That’s why EMIYA’s version is called Excalibur Image, as it’s a very much imperfect replica of the genuine article.
Edit: also Shirou Kotomine is an entirely different person from Emiya Shirou, so his abilities can’t factor into Emiya’s.
he can alter stuff even if it limits to his small amount of Od's if he can alter a weapon and save the blue print let's say, alter Gae's blog into a sword and give it the concept of sword it will be easier and stronger projection because of his origin and element and work virtually with every weapon in his arsenal, in Miyu-verse he also projects Divine-Construct which I don't know which if it stronger than Excalibur that is Conceptual Weapons or not. there are also theoretical techniques he can learn with his reality marble, like instead projecting it to rewrite the world he can manifest it inside himself or the weapon he uses to limit mana intake, there is also a technique used by Muramasa to combine sword, it means if Shirou wants to learn he basically can alter, recreate and combine any weapon that exists in his reality marble like a sandbox game, and if he can recreate stuff by altering it a new thing technically he can bypass Gaia laws make him into the level of Magician. most of this is far fetch though...
Ironically, most if not all versions of Shirou would be very powerful outside of the fate universe.
This Shirou could snipe Heracles like before but with a bullet made from Excalibur, from a sniper rifle made from Excalibur, that could project literally thousands of Excaliburs out of Heracles' with the same attack potency. Said Excaliburs could cut through the concept of his nobel phantom or just shread through all the lives out right..in less than a second😬
That's pure bullshit bro like wth? Even in the moon cells with infinite magical energy the nameless can't even trace an Excalibur close to artoria's, and even her chances at beating heracles at full power are 50/50, emiya even if buffed to kingdom come can never defeat Heracles, we are talking about the hero who Hippolyta said at full power he can match Ares the God of War himself and even romolus quinirus decided to learn his nine lives technique, Heracles is just nerfed in stay night because of ilya suppressing his mad enhancement and summoning him in his weakest class taking away all of his abilities and noble phantasms
@@knightofthelake8112 archer Hercules is god
Full potential emiya is him projecting full auto sniper rifle NPs shooting broken phantasm excalibur morgans, or whatever the most powerful NP weapons he can get his eyes on are.
And he can project multiple of the same NP.
Like so much of what you talked about is so irrelevant because he’d just summon a gate of babylon ass wall of those things from a city away custom designed for the opponent he’s facing at such high output and quantity even possessing the original wouldnt matter anymore. A BP of the best NP is probably ranking 2nd best overall so when you have 30 or 30,000 of them it can overpower any NP around.
Man could probably project a shotgun whose pellets are each a broken phantasm. And slow time to deck you with it. Him having sword skills or similar doesnt even matter at that point. When he has absolute rank 1 firepower from any distance the only stats that matter to him are perception and reactions. Both can be bolstered by mystic eyes and kiritsugus time magic respectively, but unless he got his hands on some god tier mystic eyes, like better than the train could typically stock, he isnt gonna have top tier perception, and while kiritsugus magic is pretty good for the very human mages in the settings of zero and stay night, it’s pretty weak at the scale of best in verse.
Also his defences are best in verse with a complete 3rd magic nothing is stopping him projecting multiple rho aias or any better defensive phatasm he can grab at the same time.
So realistically, he’s still very much an archer, his only weakness is getting blindsided so he always wants to put space in. And in particular he acts as very much a kiritsugu of a different power scale. Most effective when he can research his target to use NPs they’re weak to, and better at initiating combat from a point beyond where they opponent can fight back. (I would consider a cross continent BP a top tier equivilent of blowing up your entire hotel)z
Came in clutch right when finishing making my food bruh 🤝
If shirou found kiritsugu's origin bullets and form it into a short knife, he could copy it over and over again
Stuff like this is why Shirou and his BS is 1 of my favorite characters and why his weapon projection is my favorite superpower. With enough practice, effort and energy you can create the most overpowered BS whenever you want... Not to mention muramasa being part of his lineage he can make anti-BS weapons. cutting concepts... Gil uses Ea and fires enuma elish. Shirou: "Nah that don't work if this sword touches that wind vortex." Just thinking about it as a concept is fricking dumb.
Fyi my second and third favorite superpowers are gravity manipulation ( think gravity rush or victors axe in Busou Renkin) and time manipulation (just slowing and stopping time because going back and forth through time doesn't really interest me. And you would have to logically work with paradoxes)
Awesome video!
congrats Tsiah, you made a video of what i think about in the shower like once a week. i appreciate you so much.
black air force shirou?
A full powered Shirou Emiya is too godly to even exist that man will reach some Anos Voldigoad levels of crazy shit if he were to be so perfected
*Tsiahs whole video spoils who Grand Saber* lol
This is fanfiction level of b.s Shirou probably would be able to create his weapon that equals to ea power.
@@albertoluis1544 If I understand right EA has a God in it, what about that?
So Tsumukari Muramasa?
No
Shirou surely really is a hero of justice now! 😄
"Self taught but your technique lacks... Something." - Shirou of the Harem Future (Jet Stream Sam MGR)
you reminded me of Shirou vs Angelica using ea it was a draw and then he lost, but this one have unlimited magic just imagine a remach can you beat INFINITY? (Also now they can feel the wrath of Shirou f*ing Emiya oh that abridged series is so good...)
oh mate thank's this made my day i never thought that my man Shirou can be this OP under the right circumstances...
In Oath Under Snow its not shown in the Movie but he DEAFEATED EVERYONE in ONE NIGHT. Miyu wished to be saved and unconsciously gave Shirou access to her Mana reserves as a Lesser Grail itself which is why he could even use UBW before he burned out his own reserves. Still not infinite but he said every single sword contained in UBW could not stop Ea which is an instant win button.
@@adamchu2001 yea i know but the point is not doing the same but doing more use more swords that will never ran out + fire all kinds of broken phantasm's with Infinite mana sourse it's not fair to a point where he can just kill Angelica while she uses ea, you don't need to beat ea you need to kill the wielder... (hope you get my point...)
@@Skerkrov
Me: Snaps Ea in half by its blade.
Gil: "That's not how it works..."
Me: "We of the omnipotent ones will join in this grand war... Akasha has opened the dimensional gates."
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 well it's lore vise to strong of a thing so is easier to kill the wielder like shirou done in ubw it's possible to just chopp her hand and then well F...
@@Skerkrov
True
Not to mention his ability to understand information is borderline hypercognition
So... in short... he'd become a BEAST of Humanity
Alternate title: If Shirou completed all the side quests.
There's a fanfiction out there with this premise
Not with the complete heaven feels part, yet.
So in conclusion, if Shirou is or has become his full potential, he is; A literal threat to humanity, literally somewhat being a beast of humanity or a complete beast of humanity, needs more than just a sealing designation, becomes a god, has gods living inside his body if he ever fuses with them (most possibly hephaestus) and has Muramasa inside him, has a lostbelt UBW that is possibly looking more a lot like his version of Avalon, tracing so powerful that even divine constructs are not even a sweat for him to copy, his Rho Aias would be the most powerful divine shield, able to wield Tsumukari Muramasa and use Tsumakari Muramasa multiple times meaning; Unlimited Spam Works, without even dying, his sight would be extremely powerful that helps his tracing thanks to his Mystic Eyes, making him able to know every and all the other servants if he is ever summoned as a servant and is able to wield them all, the strongest servant you could ever possibly summon, is a great candidate for the title of Grand Saber, and overall a literal threat to anyone who opposes him, and for fucks sake he can even do more if he ever wants to!!! No wonder he wasn't trained properly by Kiritsugu, Shirou is just borderline- no scratch that, he is completely like a God of Gods!!! His projection/tracing ability could or can possible even evolve into the True Magic of Creation!!! Like holy cow!?!? Even EA can't beat him if this version of Shirou is canon, Shirou can literally just create multiple EAs to counter a singular EA or just make a weapon that's a complete counter to EA, maybe even possibly upgrade Tsumakari Muramasa or make a weapon that's stronger than Tsumukari Muramasa as well, making Senji Muramasa's dream sword looking like a small achievement on what he can actually do!!! DAMN!!!
I may be extremely overexaggerating things or making complete nonsense here, but Shirou has just way too much damn potential to be just a VN protagonist!
My take on the stats on this version Shirou is this:
Strength: EX, because of his godlike strength and feats
Endurance: EX, because he is basically immortal, plus the regeneration from Avalon
Agility: EX or A+, this one debatable
Mana: EX, don't even need to say anything else because the video already said it, plus he is able to trace divine constructs! That requires absurd amount of mana!
Luck: E, because you know how Shirou always has E rank luck
Noble Phantasm: EX, I mean, come on? Did you really expect something else? His UBW is a complete Lostbelt by itself! He can even create divine constructs, traced or created by himself!
Now please make a video about this maxed out potential Shirou vs 100% serious Gilgamesh!
Ohhh please I want to see a shirou like that to be animated
Remember peoples some where in the multiverse Shirou is blood son Kiritsugu Emiya and Irisviel von Einzbern. After all in Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya Shirou is the adoptve son of Kirtsugu and Irisviel.
This sounds remarkably like "From Fake Dreams" Shirou with a few notable differences.
Firstly, FFD Shirou is a form of Demi-Apostle who can cannibalize his own blood to power Avalon and knit himself back together with UBW. (He was bitten and infected but the Apostle was killed before it could form a link of paternity + wierd interaction with Avalon)
Second, he's become one of the formost experts on Fae thanks to his efforts to understand and use Avalon and he can make perfect copies of it thanks to it being ingrained in his body for so long (though he can only use it's more passive functions at increased power and efficiency)
Thirdly, he was both the Emiya crest AND _THREE_ swords made from Kiritsugu's remains, one for each origin (binding and severing) and one that is effectively the origin bullets in sword form... all empowered by the Angra Mainyu curse, so much so that the dual origin sword hits the SOUL as well. He also saw memories of the 4th grail war from both Waver and Kiritsugu so he access to several weapons from that war as well.
He's also partially materialized his reality marble into the world permanently thanks to an accident during his fight with Gilgamesh, so he has a gateway into his reality marble through his arm (his body is made of blades)
He also accidentally helped start a new field of study that's basically reverse enchanting, removing concepts from things instead of adding them. Wood that has the concept of "burning" removed for example.
If he sounds OP, he still routinely gets bodies by servants but he also had nearly a decade to train and learn how to stack the deck in his favor and he typically fights like Kiritsugu does and baits his opponents into opening themselves up.
Let me just save you nine minutes: Perfect Shirou is cracked enough to kill Demonbane.
What IF shirou had been trained by caster gilgamesh?
Origin timeline prediction thats all i have to say
I love this movie, like unironically one of my favorite pieces of fate media
"FEEL THE MIGHT OF THE HERO SHIROU FUCKING EMIYA"
Provide shirou with unlimited mana and see a monster
Imagine a fate series where all the shirous fuse into one.
this was the potential terror that unrestrained Counter Guardian Emiya was able to unleash when he threw away his morals previewed in UBW (that was all civilian related stuff imbalances, not Magecraft)