So, so, so many gear nerds are spending their lives waiting for the next wonder camera to come out. Now they have seen the R1 and R5 mkii they can happily start looking forward to the R1 mkii and the R5 mkiii. I wonder if they ever get to actually shoot any photographs.
When Canon puts out a camera it seems like people always complain about the specs, then over time those same people say the camera is one of best on the market. These specs wars are getting ridiculous. You really don't know how good a camera is until you've had a chance to use the camera for several months and really learn the camera in my opinion.
totally agree! When the 5Dmkiii came out everyone complained that the specs weren't different enough to the 5Dmkii - but in the real world it was sooo much better!
I'll buy it. The R5ii (I don't give a damn of the R1). Many good news. This will be the first time I've spent so much money on a camera. The R7 will become my second camera for wildlife .
From what in can tell, Canon has listened to feedback on the R5 and this looks to be a decent upgrade. Hope the R7 ii gets the same treatment. More speed, better af (would love eye control lol even v1), stacked sensor, higher bitrate and probably a faster card type (although I would be annoyed if I were in need of redundancy). I need a battery grip too along with fixing all the beta firmware such as pre capture. Add in the Ai upscale too. I might have got carried away and Canon will charge £2k. Although I think Canon underestimated the R7 user who used one of the previous 90d/7d line bodies and had high expectations. All my opinion.
An R7 Mk II has to be on par with at least the R6 Mk II. I'm sure many seruous R7 users would gladly take on the additional cost if the end product is worth it.
I reckon I will be getting the R5 mkII. I think it will shoot me perfectly. I got my hands on a prerelease model at a local CameraHouse and it felt good in my hands. The buttons fitted nicely under my fingers, the viewfinder was great, and the diopter adjustment was great. I can remove my glasses, which I could not do with my EOS 6D mk2. The body weight felt good and balanced. As usual I found the menu structure easy to use. Overall, I love this new model. Now to work out what I need with the body.
I like the fact that they didn't change many buttons and kept the same layout. It will make it easier to use my new R5 MK II and my existing R5 together.
I'll just keep using this old dusty R5mk1 it performs well for me - all I do is Wildlife with some video - nothing I heard here makes me want to spend another 4300 for my hobby - I'd rather save that towards something like a 400 2.8 lens.
@@TheWildlifeGallery388 a trade in greatly decreases the price. For wildlife photography the improvements in eye recognition and tracking, r the main reasons I have traded my R5 I and ordered an R5 II.
@@jan_wegener I don't know yet, it's a french TH-camr (Damien bernal) who said backup recording was possible but it wasn't a full review, just hands-on. I hope so, because backup recording isn't available with Nikon.
Thanks for the first look! I'm still not entirely convinced by the R5II (the R1 is a crying shame als a flagship in my opinion), but what could defiintely influence my decision is how the R5II performs in low light versus the R5. Could you perhaps do a side by side comparison with the R5 in a future video once you have the R5II available for yourself? I'd especially be interested how the higher ISO-numbers (from 6400 up to 25.600) compare with each other since there is a limit to what DxO can solve when it comes to details in regard to the R5. I'd also be curious how much more shots can be taken on average with an R5 with the new battery compared to the old R5 battery. Looking forward to future videos!
Simple: 24 MP. Fine to prioritize speed over MP, but don't say it's the best camera you've got with an accompanying price. It is simply too little for this day and age, especially since there is already an R3 which is way too similar to this camera.
@@naturebylennart ah. well, it's the best camera they have for everyone in the sports/journalism is prob whats going unsaid here. but not a surprise either though right? not sure they've ever produced flagship with *lot of MP. end of the day, everyone has different MP needs; for me, 20 is plently for i just prefer the better low light performance and rarely do any major cropping. in the instance i do need some resolution, the LR SuperRes works just fine, and get to keep my workflow & and manage 1/2 the data. but, I also overly-prioritize my lens budget over bodies to make sure i'm getting it right in-camera. but, it's also hard to be overly critical of a camera that isn't for sale yet, too.
I have already ordered a R5 II. The heat must be improved for 2 reasons: the basic body has vents and if that still is insufficient, buy the fanned grip. I also love face registration. Few reviewers mention this.
Thanks for the insights Jan. I'll probably end up purchasing the R5 MK II eventually, but when I factor in all the extra costs of battery grip, batteries, cards etc, I'm having trouble justifying the expenditure at this stage. In the main, I'm really achieving the results that I currently need with my current R5 and R7. I'm delaying my final decision until I've read a few more reviews as they come out. Am particularly interested in how effective the BSI sensor is in reducing rolling shutter in stills. Hopefully, Canon will publish a manual soon that I can have a look at as well.
I'm in on the R5II, mainly for the improved AF--that's really my main frustration with my R5, especially compared to the R7 and R6II. My aging eyes will also welcome the larger and brighter EVF! For me the rest is bonus, or interesting to try out--eye-control AF, stacked sensor, 14-bit in electronic shutter (which is what I usually use when shooting wildlife), improved IBIS, and a (hopefully) usable pre-capture mode. I presume it will also remove the R5's electronic shutter mode quirks like no bracketing and 0.5-second maximum exposure. I'm excited to get my hands on it!
Are saying your R5 AF doesn't perform as well as the R7? I had heard the opposite. I assumed that it was because the R5 had a faster processor? I only have the R7 and find it amazing "mostly". But it does often show me eye lock when I know it isn't. Having said that the AF has allowed me to captur so many shots I wouldn't otherwise have got.
@@adrianduncan8355 The R5 is 2 years older than the R7, so its AF isn't quite as up to speed technologically. That's not to say it's bad, of course! I have found the R5 does better than the R7 in low light, but for subjects that are smaller, moving, or partly obscured by foliage, the R7 is better at finding and keeping a lock on the subject. The R6 Mark II has been Canon's gold standard for AF since it was released, so if the R5II is even beyond that, I expect to be very happy!
I have the r7 and then R5. The R7 has a more advanced AF system, more flexible too. But when the metal hits the road, I’d rather have the R5 because the R7 will miss. It may show it is locked onto an eye, but when you get the photo it is not in focus. Also, the R7 has too much shutter slap so the MS is out. The FCES is better, but it still shows a lot of shake in the VF when shooting. The ES has such bad rolling shutter than many flying shots are unusable (for me, anyway). But for stills, or perched birds, the R7 is great on a fast lens. It gives very detailed images and the 1.6x crop factor means you get a lot of pixels on the subject. So, that is how I use my R7. Perched birds. I do get some decent shots of flying birds sometimes, too, but that is a lot more risky. The R5 gives me many more shots I can use, but anything flying in front of a fence or building on the R5 is ruined, due to rolling shutter. So, hopefully, the R5M2 is going to solve that problem. that is the first thing I will test on it, and if it is not up to snuff, it is going back.
@@RogerZoul Is risking ruined shots because of rolling shutter on birds in flight still better than just running mechanical shutter? Obviously less fps, but no worries about rolling shutter. 12fps is still quite a bump up from a 7D2 or 90D for a first mirrorless camera. Seems like they should have just left off electronic shutter on the R7 it's so bad. They need to fix the wandering focus on the R7 for sure, lots and lots of complaining about that, and rightfully so.
Hi Jan, Great video with some exciting new features. Im waiting until next year before I do anything with changing cameras. Maybe by then the R5 MkII might be on sale !
Maybe the biggest disappointment for me is that they didn't go to 2 Type B memory slots. I thought that was the minimum, and that having Gen 4 Type B Slots was a "worthy" upgrade. Clearing the buffer onto an SD card makes it just about unusable for me. Overall, this is definitely evolution and not revolution. It looks like it may be just enough better to justify upgrading. But just barely.
Thanks for the insights! When doing AF tests please add a scenario when the bird head is down, like below the body level. Shooting with R5 I noticed that the AF presumes that the head of the bird is usually highier than the body and in many circumstances it tries to find the eye by looking at the the highier part of the bird body, regardless of the fact that the eye it was tracking is still perfectly visible, but the head is somewhere down there... This frustrated me a lot... Many thanks
I guess that the new R5ii BSI sensor will increase the dynamic range and lower noise at higher iso. So that's some significant improvement. Also, the stacked sensor's quicker data reads will improve AF to some extent. The BSI's light gathering efficiency paired with the stacked sensor read speeds may significantly improve low light AF. It may bring the RF800 f/11 and RF600 f/11 up to full-frame AF instead of the limited AF box area. The hot-shoe is now updated too. A wireless microphone is now an option. However, $4,400 is a hard pill to swallow for these conveniences. If Canon added a full-size USB port, dual CF express card slots, an option to order the R5 in a configuration without the low-pass filter (e.g. R5ii-r & R5ii-rs) and a tilt-swing-swivel back panel, I would be gobsmacked. But if people already are happy with the R5i, then the $4,400 savings will buy a lot of R-lenses. Tough call here.
8000 euros for the R1 in Ireland, it's a sports photography camera. No way I will be buying it. The R5ii is an improvement but still very expensive for any enthusiast wildlife photographer who are left with the R7 which is a good camera but with plenty of flaws like poor high iso performance, an average autofocos system and with lots of rolling shutter. So the R7ii is what I am waiting for that improves on those issues.
I was looking forward to the pre-capture BUT if having it on means that every time I press the shutter I take 20 images then it becomes almost unworkable. Getting home with a few thousand images to trawl through after every outing is not fun.
@@bamhamer Then it's worse for sure! OM-1 and A9III cancel the buffor, when you take off the finger. Only saves if you push it to take the photo. Seem Canon struggles as Panasonic..
Finally a stacked sensor with 45 mp. Prebuffer in raw and not only in jpeg like Z8. The top for its category, I like this R5 II. Hope that readout is 1/160 and not less.
Thank you, Jan. From what I've seen in a menu display, you can't select how many frames you want per second (up to 30 in burst mode). I expect the same speed will be used for the 0.5 sec. pre-shoot mode, Isn't it? By default it would be 15.
I had to think about what you wrote for a bit before I understood it. At first it appeared you were saying the R1 would outsell the Z9 but I see that you meant the poor result of the R1 from Canon will make Z9 sales increase.
I’m still rocking my 5Dmk4 and hoping to snag a used R3 now! I do birding with the mk4 and a 100-400mm and love the 30mp. Perfect balance between image quality, cropping and file workflow. Aside from birding my business relies on dogs and sports so the R5 readout speed is a dealbreaker. I think my first mirrorless will now be a used R3. 24mp is fine.
I have a question about why have a video and photo switch? Why not two different buttons without changing? Example while recording a video you will also be able to use the Shutter Release Button to take photos at the same time. I know you can get individual pics from video but I would like to see this feature implemented. Cheers!
I really appreciated your review of the R5ii. However, I'm having trouble when switching to video mode-my shutter button isn't responding. I suspect I'm missing something in the settings. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for your insight Jan. Looking forward to the new content with the R5 Mark II. Not sure I get all the drama around the R1. It's pretty much exactly the camera that everybody should have expected and of course it's similar to the R3. That was the point of the R3. Canon needed to put out a pro mirror-less body as a test bed for new tech but wasn't confident that it could best the 1DX Mark III they had just released. Also, they couldn't afford to disrespect IDX3 users by immediately releasing a replacement flagship. So, they release an R"3", get a few years of experience to work out the bugs and now they are confident enough to release a updated version that they can confidently label an R1 and call it their flagship. No conspiracy. No hidden agenda. No drama. Just normal business practices. It's not a perfect camera for my purposes but I'm not the target market.
Two advantages I see over my Nikons is pre-capture in RAW; and I saw that Ted Forbes programmed the subject detection to a function button. I would love to be able to switch from animal to bird detection and back without having to go into the menu. The downside to the Canon might be the buffer. One wedding shooter loved that the Z6iii could switch from stills to video instantly without a delay while the buffer empties.
Amazing camera, both R1 and R5ii, BUT I think if you have an R3, you don't need to update to R1, if you have an R5 you don't need to upgrade to an R5ii. "Unfortunately" the R1 should had have more features from the R5ii. Im happy with my R5 and will probably get another R5 (a used one) as second body and spend other money on glas or trips!
@@rayzalaf8988 what macro lens are you using ? I rented the Canon 100 F2.8 Macro, and loved it 🙂 I actually used a continuous light source, and did some focus stacking of like 60 to 200 frames. Worked pretty well. I’d sure like to own that lens !
@@Chris_Wolfgram I've got the RF 100 2.8 and a Sigma EF 180mm 2.8, when I changed to mirrorless the Sigma is the only EF lens I kept I absolutely love it gives that extra bit of reach when taking insect shots, downside it's quite a heavy lump and I always use it with a monopod, if you can find one👍 buy it.
I preordered the R5II, but there are 2 things, I haven't seen anywhere yet: is the new battery powerful enough that the R5II can use both autofocus motors of the RF600f4 and is there a burst mode aside from pre-capture? Great that it seems to be 14 bit in electronic shutter mode. As for the R1, I would be shocked if you would not buy it eventually. 🙂
I have an R3 and I use it as a video camera exclusively, so not sure I need another one of those haha. The battery cannot power the second motors afaik
May well go for it - I shoot mostly landscape plus some wildlife, no video. Think the faster fps, less rolling shutter issues, better low light performance and far better auto focus sells it to me for wildlife over the R5
May I ask you one question as you are primarily a Canon user why they did not gave the pre release R5mkii and R1 for testing ?You did phenomenal job with Z6iii and z8 reviews from Nikon .Is it some kind of policy by canon as you also do video s for Sony and Nikon ?
Still would love to see a higher Megapixel Version of the R5. Something like a "R5II S" for Landscape with less Video functionality or FPS. I also think that they simply needed something AI for the presentation. Both the Upscaling and Noise Reduction within the Body simply doesn´t make any sense to me when the result is a JPEG. Also not a big Fan of the again new type of battery to get the full functionality of the camera. I think they made too much compromises to fit in the 8K video stuff in the R5 II like Vent Holes or the new grip without additional buttons.... Would love to see a separation in the future like the R5/R5 C. So overall more or less a bit dissapointed this time and will stick to my R5 or switch system
just went to your link for the R5-ii. I saw Duane on a live broadcast as well. AF in low light, better cooling, and stacked sensor were enough. They aren't giving it away but there are improvements.
It will be interesting to see how many Canon sports photographers in a years time are using the R1 and how many are using the R5MKII . I know lots os Sony shooters stuck with the A1 as they had got used to the high MP and did not want to drop down to the A9MKIII.
Great video again, Jan. Although I'm still very happy with my R5, it looks like the R5 II has ticked all the wishlist boxes after all and adds features on top, only a few had on their screen. It might be worth upgrading, if someone can reliably produce photos with it, that were not possible before. My hopes are pinned on the autofocus, pre-burst and the promised dynamic range. But if someone is just starting out in serious bird and wildlife photography, I don't see why they should choose an R5II (with some expensive 400, 600, 800 big white lens) over a combination like a Z8 with a 600 PF which is more affordable and delivers the same, perhaps more. Hopefully the following tests will show. An R1 has apparently been developed for a limited clientele and is unlikely to find a buyer among nature photographers, unlike the Z9.
I would have preferred it if Canon left out the "upscaling Jpeg" & "Eye control autofocus" gimmicks and put 2 x CF express Type-B card slots in with simultaneous back up for both photos and video. That would have been useful!
Hi Jan! Any idea what is the slowest shutter speed in R5II with electronic shutter? Still half a second, as it was in R5, or did they get rid of that limitation? As someone who shoots many looong timelapses, 14-bit color for electronic shutter would be excellent, if only not that 0.5 sec limit...
How about trying the new R5ii with a power bank? The old camera didnt want to work well once the batteries fell to around 50% so maybe if you use a powerbank with the new model you wont need to shell out loads of money for new batteries... Just a question that you may want to put out to your friends with the camera to test out for us all
Many thanks, Jan! I'd be glad to see in the future how much this new sensor of the R5 II eliminates rolling shutter when compared to the R5 I. The need for new batteries for features like pre-capture is disappointing. Also, it would be nice to see a direct comparison of AF improvements in the field. Canon marketing emphasizes the new AF features for sports, but I haven't seen any related to wildlife so far. Cheers!
Still no built in GPS, which is surprising. Is there any haptic feedback option when using the electronic shutter, to keep track of how many frames are being taken? It would have been nice to have a screen which tilts upwards without being folded out, which is less than ideal for still photography.
I bet Canon sells wayyyyy more R1s then they did their Canon EOS-1D X Mark III DSLR Camera. The R1 is perfectly FINE for it's intended Niche Market. So why is a LOUD minority so tied up in Knots about a Camera that they have ZERO interest in. The R1 will more then serve it's purpose for Canon. The R5ii, the next R6iii, and hopefully a STACKED sensor R7ii will be FAR more important to Canon's bottom line. How is it that the GEAR don't matter Crowd hover around every Canon Release.
R1 is a head scratcher when we have the R3. They fill the same niche. Shame about the pre capture, had hoped for more improvements to this feature. Looks like a great camera for a premium price anyway. I wonder if it can focus stack with flash? This feature alone would make it a beast of a macro camera. Havent heard anything about it though so I dont have high hopes.
So if it was better than your A1, you would seriously literally physically switch ecosystems, to the R1? You're that much of a GAS guy and have the money to burn?
The R5 II is an exciting new camera. Thanks for the 'pre-capture' review ! I need your inputs on a new monitor I intend to buy. Do you think that a curved monitor would be good to use with lightroom in photo mode ? Should I stay with a flat screen ? Please let me know. Thanks !
I think sports professionals will buy the R1 and perhaps Canon is targeting just them. The rest of us, will sway toward the R5 II (for Canon shooters) and Sony/Nikon for the rest. As a Z8 owner, I'm still very happy with how the camera holds up when compared to rivals in terms of features vs price. If I had to pick a feature from the new Canons (from what I've seen), it would be the AF AI. Nikon gave us some great firmware updates with new features, so maybe they'll give us something similar in the future ;)
R5ii sounds like it'd tick all the right boxes for me, expect that the price is about $500 AUD higher than what I was hoping for ($6449 + cost of battery grip and batteries). One of my most important considerations would be is how much the rolling shutter has been improved when using electronic shutter for stills over my current R5. What do you think Jan?
I was a little surprised / bummed that "with a stacked sensor" their would be any rolling shutter at all ? I guess some of folks I've heard from about this were wrong to say, a stacked sensor would completely eliminate this. Also, I guess that means, we can't completely throw out that old, archaic Mechanical shutter just yet :( I'd still likely use the Electronic Shutter mode, provided you can now add some sound to it. Didn't hear you mention this, but I'd have to assume... The original R5 freaking killed me with that. If I were looking for a new FF body, and had an extra $5K laying around, I guess Id have to buy the R5 Mk II, but I'd trade you an R5 Mk II for an R7 Mk II straight across ;) Just SO much more useful for my shooting.
When the first speculative specifications for the R1 were indicating a very high Megapixel count, that made a good deal of sense, given the competition of the A1and the Z9, both of which are high megapixel flagships. At that point, I figured that a camera like this one would come out later, as the R3 Mark II. Even when the speculations switched to a 30 or 30+ mega-pixel camera, I still thought there was room for an R3 II, possibly with a global shutter to compete with the A9III. But this camera would seem to quash any chance of an R3II. The R3 appears to be a one-off technology prototype for the R1, the same way the film EOS 3 tested tech for the EOS 1 series. So the 45 point AF system ended up in the 1V (and would survive into the digital world with the 1D and 1DS series), while the eye-controlled AF reached a dead-end, not to be resurrected (in a much improved form) with the R3. As for me, cameras in this price-range are outside of my reach. That being said, I think that Canon is communicating to its professional sports photographers and that might be leading to a certain conservatism, in terms of resolution, with high speed shooting and small file size (for rapid uploading to a news service) taking precedence. It's also why the 1DX series was limited to 20MP and why they stuck to a DSLR in 2020 for the 1DX Mark III. Pure speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable. Canon seems to be trying to do two things simultaneously by announcing the R1 and the R5 Mark II at the same time. Satisfying their pro sports photographers with the R1, while providing the R5 Mark II to those who want both high resolution AND high performance. Only time will tell if this gamble pays off, but it seems to be a reasonable attempt to satisfy two disparate groups of photographers/videographers.
I think you are exactly right. We may see the R3 come back as a test bed for some new tech or maybe it stays in the line as an affordable non-flagship PJ cam. Personally I'd love to see them port the R52 sensor to that body and sell it for $5300. Wishful thinking on my part I expect.
@@BW_Maher Yeah, I kind of expected the opposite before things gelled around the R1 with a 24MP sensor. I thought that the R1 would be a very high-performance but also high resolution body (45-60MP), with a 24-30MP R3 Mark II, perhaps with a global shutter. This would have given them a counter to both the A1 and the A9 Mark III. I clearly couldn't have been more wrong. LOL
@@jeffgaboury3157 I hear ya. Not easy being a Canon user. They do have a way of getting under your skin. I'm pretty happy with my R5 so although I might like to upgrade I don't feel like I have to. Jan seems a little ticked. Hopefully the R5II will work out for him.
@@BW_Maher I think it will work out. It looks like an amazing camera. Although I'm excited to see the two new cameras, both are out of my league $$'s wise, as was the original R5 and the R6 series. That's why I was so excited when the R8 came out, with the same focus system and sensor as the then brand new R6 Mark II. I'm loving my R8! My biggest excitement with the R1 and the R5II is to anticipate which technologies might trickle down to an R7II, which would be more in my budget. 😃
I am excited to see the field tests of the Canon R1 and RII, and I look forward to hearing your feedback on these new devices. Thank you for the presentation video! I also heard that Lightroom will integrate the DPP4 plugin, but this needs to be confirmed. Greetings from Switzerland.
I currently have the R3 and R5 and neither of these new cameras will have me going to the bank any time soon. I was really hoping for more megapixels in the R1 the R5 auto focus is a mile behind the R3 for birds so perhaps I'll wait to see some more reviews on the R5 Mk II to see how much that has improved.
Depends on the lenses I am planning to get. The R5 II will likely have better AF and much higher fps with working pre shooting and the Z8 a better buffer design and some video advantages
I preordered R5 MK2 but I might cancel it. Honestly it seems Canon is prioritizing Videographers and Journalist’s more than landscape and wildlife photographers.
@@pentagramyt417 I am thinking of moving to Nikon as they at least prioritize Bird and Wildlife photography. Waiting for Jan’s review of R5 Mark II before I take a final call.
@@chetankher Sure, but still there is no answer. It's weather sealed IP53, very lightweight,, with 150-400 you have F4.5 light, you have 50 fps with c-af pre capture. No camera is 100% reliable but no camera in the other hand have so much computational things.
Thank you Jan for your interesting video, in which you explains some details better than others! First: the Canon R1 was a fantastic camera, but with only 24 MB it has to be compared to the Sony A9III. Second: the Canon R5 Mark II is a big improvement. As you explained it was not perfect and had some limits like the read out speed, the pre capture mode and the buffer. My thoughts are using a Canon Camera additional to my Nikon Z9? I love my 600 mm PF lens and wait for your full review.
The R1 will be a fantastic camera for sports or photojournalists. If I was still shooting sports I would buy one. Canon will sell every one they can make. I wouldn't buy one because it's 24mpx. I've moved on to bigger sensors which is my preference for what I shoot now, which is mostly wildlife. I already have an R5Mk2 on preorder which is a very good upgrade to the original R5.
Interesting that Canon is bringing back the eye controlled autofocus. They did this on film cameras back in the 90’s and it didn’t work that great back then. Hopefully they’ve further developed and improved it into something useable.
I agree with some other comments... the R1 should have been the R3 Mark II. The R1 should have been at least 60MP. The R5 Mark II is a nice, but not huge update to the R5. Canon did a good job refining the R5 II, compared to the original. They also are charging $400 US more for it, than they did for the R5 at its introduction... $4299 versus $3899. A ten percent increase. As I understand it, with uncompressed RAW you will only get about 3 seconds shooting with the electronic shutter at 30 fps. Reportedly using the pre-shoot feature will also cause the camera to hit the buffer wall even faster... the bottleneck being the SD memory card (if recording RAW to both cards). Maybe Canon should have put two CFExpress card slots in the R5 II, like they did the R1 and R3. I will be waiting for the R7 Mark II and am hoping Canon will give it more "normal" control layout (same as the R5 II, etc.) and make it compatible with the battery grips those cameras use. They also need to improve readout speed (reduce rolling shutter) and upgrade the AF. If Canon does right by the R7 II, they will be able to charge more for it. Remember, the R7 was introduced at a price $400 US *less* than the 7D Mark II... which sold like mad! I'm convinced buyers would pay more... but only if they get a more pro-orented APS-C camera in the R7 Mark II. A truly pro quality Canpn APS-C camera would be an exclusive among the "big three"... leapfrogging their competition (much as Nikon did with their D200, which led to their D300 & D500)
Do you happen to know if the R5 Mark II has a proximity sensor (for the EVF) that works like the R3, where it isn't constantly coming on every time something brushes past it, like the R5 and R6 does?
Maybe we must all do the 2 system thing....one canon r5 and one nikon z8......i am not to impressed with the specs. I do a lot of aviation pics and the rolling shutter issue on the props is a bummer. what is your feeling Jan?
@@stefanusrheeder4162R5 Ii 100-500 and z8 and 600pf and we can throw in the future A1 II which will likely be amazing with another 600, so we got it all covered
Thanks for your insights. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Simultaneous Video + Stills feature! Aside from all of the expected performance improvements, that new feature (or is it a mode?) seems to me like it would be the most exciting one for hybrid wildlife shooters. Maybe it’s not 8k/60 CLog3 + full speed 45MP RAW readout, at least we FINALLY have that same feature that iPhones have had for what feels like 10 years. 😊
@@jan_wegener Could save you a lot of time, though, once it has been improved to RAW + 4k/6k! Perhaps that will be coming in the future as they walk up the capabilities of the new X chipset... I think the feature is at least worth a shot to show there’s some uptake.
I don't think that the difference is large enough for people to switch between canon and Nikon. So probably not Z8ii all that soon. As for Sony: Their cameras seem to be a bit more specialised (so no A7rVI). Their high performance generalist camera is the A1. And an A1ii would be a plausible soon-to-come camera. And that one will blow us away.
The Z8 still might be a better move for the lenses away from Canon. Although I like the idea of the smaller body of the R5II. I'm happy so far with the R5II spec and if the grey market (HK to UK) prices are quick to reduce I can see me grabbing one. R1 was simply a no no 24MP full frame is an only sports cam not for birds. I would have grabbed it if the R7II appeared with a stacked sensor.
Just sold my Nikon Z8 to go back to Canon!!! LOL!! Good camera, but has limitations just like the others. The auto focus is where Canon shines in my opinion.
The R1 looks like an R3 Mark II, rather than a flagship camera. Lucky for Canon more people will buy the R5 Mark II. The R1 is well behind the Nikon Z9 and Sony A1, which are better all round cameras and superior to the R1 in most respects. I stopped buying Canon flagship cameras some years ago and nothing today would make me start again.
How is Canon allowing a hard buffer and even a slight rolling shutter on the R5ii? That's disappointing to me and a big surprise that both tech issues were not resolved. However, Pre-capture is a big bonus but if it means getting to a hard buffer earlier its a great start but a premature finish. As for the R1. Why have an R1 and R3?
Yes it’s an odd one. It seems like canons buffer issues are somehow systemic. I wonder if it is related to how the read/write works. Not sure, but something is holding them back a lot compared to Sony and Nikon
I honestly don't think I'll upgrade from my R5 to the R5 mark II. I bought my camera in a store for $3000 when it came out and I find it difficult to find this latest camera at that price. I value the new camera's AF system, the elimination of 30 minutes of recording, and the pre-shooting. Not many more than that. I miss high resolution photos in raw files.
As a Nikon shooter, these releases are not for me. That said, I have plenty of Canon shooting friends. I haven't polled them yet, but after watching a number of "in-depth" pre-views (on pre-release beta version software) there are a number of things that stand out here. 1st: The marketing strategy of Canon here is less clear that I would have thought. Rather than aim at other flagships like the Sony A1, A9iii, and Nikon Z9 and Z8, Canon has brought out a more expensive (for the technology) and equal or slightly less capable flagship camera in the R1. While the body is super well laid out, and the bells that go with it are nice, the ability of the sensor (which is why one would buy this) seems a little behind the other "big two". The lower MP of the R1 also means that people like yourself are more likely to go for the updated R5 - which as some of the comments suggest - does feel a bit like a higher MP R3. Overall, I think based on specs and shooting experiences of those with pre-production cameras - these offerings are not going to move people from other brands - but likely make Canon R5 shooters happy with the upgrade. As for someone choosing a new mirrorless company to buy into - I'm not sure it's going to sway new purchasers either. With Canon staying as the least "value" or bang for buck, you have to wonder now where they are going. I use to say this about Nikon, but over the last 3 years, things have changed. I hear that the AF in video is not as good (in early pre-release) as people wanted and not as sticky as they wanted. There are also a number of features that seem are so unique in their use-case (like the pre-capture of the R3) that it left some wondering "Why spend time developing this?". Time will tell. I wish for my Canon friends that these amazing cameras are significant upgrades for them. R5 Canon users will likely upgrade. As for the R1, Canon has made a relative niche camera with little buzz or "wow" concepts when it comes to the sensor (i.e. Sony A9iii with global shutter). The inclusion of eye controlled AF may be a very nice addition, but that was already present in the R3. Sports ID specific tracking, I believe, has been done by Panasonic for nearly a decade. The R1 is likely to be a terrific for sports/action camera - and maybe that's what Canon aimed (at the Olympics) had in mind. As for a clear direction for the company, this is feeling a bit bipolar (as with the launch event) - giving reviewers only a short time (hours) to shoot with two new cameras in pre-production mode - in Arizona in July (with 105 degree heat). Even with all the time Canon has been working on the R1, the launch seems rushed for the Olympics. Best wishes and hope to see what you think when you get the camera in hand. Just curious where (for Canon and Nikon) are the zebras in stills? Is this technology for stills patented by Sony?
I'm not a Canon shooter but the only thing impressive about the new R1 is the autofocus. I suspect the R1 will have the best AF of any camera. Regards the R5mkII I'd say having a fully stacked sensor is the highlight but other than that if I shot the R5mkI I'm not sure anything else would compel me to upgrade. Overall both are a bit disappointing given how long Canon have been working to make improvements. If its 4 more years until we see a R1mkII & R5mkIII, Sony and Nikon will likely have pulled way ahead with their forthcoming Z9II and A1mkII.
So, so, so many gear nerds are spending their lives waiting for the next wonder camera to come out. Now they have seen the R1 and R5 mkii they can happily start looking forward to the R1 mkii and the R5 mkiii.
I wonder if they ever get to actually shoot any photographs.
@@FlatWaterFilms phones are cheaper & have more than one use & slip into your pocket
Nobody is shooting wildlife on their phones don't lie. Okay maybe your Mum and Gran but thats it 😂@@FlatWaterFilms
@@guidlinesOkay 😂
R1 would have been impressive 3 years ago, they obviosuly didn't rush it out but is this really what they had in mind for their Flagship today
When Canon puts out a camera it seems like people always complain about the specs, then over time those same people say the camera is one of best on the market. These specs wars are getting ridiculous. You really don't know how good a camera is until you've had a chance to use the camera for several months and really learn the camera in my opinion.
totally agree! When the 5Dmkiii came out everyone complained that the specs weren't different enough to the 5Dmkii - but in the real world it was sooo much better!
I feel like the R1 should be called the R3 II
You, me and basically everyone else 😂
Agreed, I would have kept that 1 moniker for a beastly master of all trades that we’ve all been dreaming of.
Oh yes! And overpriced too. Those 24MP are pathetic
@@jan_wegener Actually the R1 is the R1 mark II, because the R3 should've been the OG R1
The only reason why there was an r3 in the first place was so they could rebrand their flagship twice and charge more.
I'll buy it. The R5ii (I don't give a damn of the R1). Many good news. This will be the first time I've spent so much money on a camera. The R7 will become my second camera for wildlife .
Canon R1 is for News Services and Sports Photographers. R5II for everything else. Cheers!
I want 45 mp R1s with GPS 15 fps RAW or more and no bending sensor.
Just waiting for r7 mark ii 🔥
That might be a good option, but again the improvements that come with it must make it worthwhile.
@@janpieters9840 exactly 🔥a beast camera for wildlife photography
100% !!! Also, I'm glad to see so many likes to your reply :) Canon, do you hear us screaming ?!?!
From what in can tell, Canon has listened to feedback on the R5 and this looks to be a decent upgrade. Hope the R7 ii gets the same treatment. More speed, better af (would love eye control lol even v1), stacked sensor, higher bitrate and probably a faster card type (although I would be annoyed if I were in need of redundancy). I need a battery grip too along with fixing all the beta firmware such as pre capture. Add in the Ai upscale too. I might have got carried away and Canon will charge £2k. Although I think Canon underestimated the R7 user who used one of the previous 90d/7d line bodies and had high expectations. All my opinion.
An R7 Mk II has to be on par with at least the R6 Mk II. I'm sure many seruous R7 users would gladly take on the additional cost if the end product is worth it.
I reckon I will be getting the R5 mkII. I think it will shoot me perfectly. I got my hands on a prerelease model at a local CameraHouse and it felt good in my hands. The buttons fitted nicely under my fingers, the viewfinder was great, and the diopter adjustment was great. I can remove my glasses, which I could not do with my EOS 6D mk2. The body weight felt good and balanced. As usual I found the menu structure easy to use. Overall, I love this new model. Now to work out what I need with the body.
I like the fact that they didn't change many buttons and kept the same layout. It will make it easier to use my new R5 MK II and my existing R5 together.
I'll just keep using this old dusty R5mk1 it performs well for me - all I do is Wildlife with some video - nothing I heard here makes me want to spend another 4300 for my hobby - I'd rather save that towards something like a 400 2.8 lens.
@@TheWildlifeGallery388 a trade in greatly decreases the price. For wildlife photography the improvements in eye recognition and tracking, r the main reasons I have traded my R5 I and ordered an R5 II.
For my video needs, the R5 ii is absolutely perfect
- 8k, 6k60, 4k120
- backup vidéo on both slots
- pre-recording
- C-Log 2
And which of these did the r5 mark 1 not do? Ok. 6k n that’s it. But it shit 8k so who cares.
@@justonbrazda3846 it was never so easy to keep a R5 MK I for many years to come
Can you write 8k to the SD?
@@justonbrazda3846 pre-recording alone is game-changing, you don't need to buy an atomos Ninja, hard drives, battery.
@@jan_wegener I don't know yet, it's a french TH-camr (Damien bernal) who said backup recording was possible but it wasn't a full review, just hands-on. I hope so, because backup recording isn't available with Nikon.
Thanks for the first look! I'm still not entirely convinced by the R5II (the R1 is a crying shame als a flagship in my opinion), but what could defiintely influence my decision is how the R5II performs in low light versus the R5. Could you perhaps do a side by side comparison with the R5 in a future video once you have the R5II available for yourself? I'd especially be interested how the higher ISO-numbers (from 6400 up to 25.600) compare with each other since there is a limit to what DxO can solve when it comes to details in regard to the R5. I'd also be curious how much more shots can be taken on average with an R5 with the new battery compared to the old R5 battery. Looking forward to future videos!
curious what makes R1 a 'crying shame' for thier flagship body to you?
Simple: 24 MP. Fine to prioritize speed over MP, but don't say it's the best camera you've got with an accompanying price. It is simply too little for this day and age, especially since there is already an R3 which is way too similar to this camera.
@@naturebylennart ah. well, it's the best camera they have for everyone in the sports/journalism is prob whats going unsaid here. but not a surprise either though right? not sure they've ever produced flagship with *lot of MP. end of the day, everyone has different MP needs; for me, 20 is plently for i just prefer the better low light performance and rarely do any major cropping. in the instance i do need some resolution, the LR SuperRes works just fine, and get to keep my workflow & and manage 1/2 the data. but, I also overly-prioritize my lens budget over bodies to make sure i'm getting it right in-camera.
but, it's also hard to be overly critical of a camera that isn't for sale yet, too.
I have already ordered a R5 II. The heat must be improved for 2 reasons: the basic body has vents and if that still is insufficient, buy the fanned grip. I also love face registration. Few reviewers mention this.
I was gonna get the fan grip but it has no buttons, so I went original for now. I hope overheating is much improved
Thanks for the insights Jan. I'll probably end up purchasing the R5 MK II eventually, but when I factor in all the extra costs of battery grip, batteries, cards etc, I'm having trouble justifying the expenditure at this stage. In the main, I'm really achieving the results that I currently need with my current R5 and R7.
I'm delaying my final decision until I've read a few more reviews as they come out. Am particularly interested in how effective the BSI sensor is in reducing rolling shutter in stills. Hopefully, Canon will publish a manual soon that I can have a look at as well.
I'm in on the R5II, mainly for the improved AF--that's really my main frustration with my R5, especially compared to the R7 and R6II. My aging eyes will also welcome the larger and brighter EVF! For me the rest is bonus, or interesting to try out--eye-control AF, stacked sensor, 14-bit in electronic shutter (which is what I usually use when shooting wildlife), improved IBIS, and a (hopefully) usable pre-capture mode. I presume it will also remove the R5's electronic shutter mode quirks like no bracketing and 0.5-second maximum exposure. I'm excited to get my hands on it!
Are saying your R5 AF doesn't perform as well as the R7? I had heard the opposite. I assumed that it was because the R5 had a faster processor? I only have the R7 and find it amazing "mostly". But it does often show me eye lock when I know it isn't. Having said that the AF has allowed me to captur so many shots I wouldn't otherwise have got.
@@adrianduncan8355 The R5 is 2 years older than the R7, so its AF isn't quite as up to speed technologically. That's not to say it's bad, of course! I have found the R5 does better than the R7 in low light, but for subjects that are smaller, moving, or partly obscured by foliage, the R7 is better at finding and keeping a lock on the subject. The R6 Mark II has been Canon's gold standard for AF since it was released, so if the R5II is even beyond that, I expect to be very happy!
I have the r7 and then R5. The R7 has a more advanced AF system, more flexible too. But when the metal hits the road, I’d rather have the R5 because the R7 will miss. It may show it is locked onto an eye, but when you get the photo it is not in focus. Also, the R7 has too much shutter slap so the MS is out. The FCES is better, but it still shows a lot of shake in the VF when shooting. The ES has such bad rolling shutter than many flying shots are unusable (for me, anyway). But for stills, or perched birds, the R7 is great on a fast lens. It gives very detailed images and the 1.6x crop factor means you get a lot of pixels on the subject. So, that is how I use my R7. Perched birds. I do get some decent shots of flying birds sometimes, too, but that is a lot more risky. The R5 gives me many more shots I can use, but anything flying in front of a fence or building on the R5 is ruined, due to rolling shutter. So, hopefully, the R5M2 is going to solve that problem. that is the first thing I will test on it, and if it is not up to snuff, it is going back.
The R7 is a turd...lol!
@@RogerZoul Is risking ruined shots because of rolling shutter on birds in flight still better than just running mechanical shutter? Obviously less fps, but no worries about rolling shutter. 12fps is still quite a bump up from a 7D2 or 90D for a first mirrorless camera. Seems like they should have just left off electronic shutter on the R7 it's so bad. They need to fix the wandering focus on the R7 for sure, lots and lots of complaining about that, and rightfully so.
Hi Jan, Great video with some exciting new features. Im waiting until next year before I do anything with changing cameras. Maybe by then the R5 MkII might be on sale !
Maybe the biggest disappointment for me is that they didn't go to 2 Type B memory slots. I thought that was the minimum, and that having Gen 4 Type B Slots was a "worthy" upgrade. Clearing the buffer onto an SD card makes it just about unusable for me.
Overall, this is definitely evolution and not revolution. It looks like it may be just enough better to justify upgrading. But just barely.
Yup. Won't be able to dual record video on the higher modes due to the slower sd card. Canon Cripple 🔨
Eye tracking auto focusing is revolutionary for me. What other camera has that?
@@Davitor1 LOL... you never owned an R3, and I'm not going to write a term paper here.
although it seems an incremental update, have pre ordered the r5II...those spotted pardalote's won't stand a chance....
Thanks for the insights! When doing AF tests please add a scenario when the bird head is down, like below the body level. Shooting with R5 I noticed that the AF presumes that the head of the bird is usually highier than the body and in many circumstances it tries to find the eye by looking at the the highier part of the bird body, regardless of the fact that the eye it was tracking is still perfectly visible, but the head is somewhere down there... This frustrated me a lot... Many thanks
I guess that the new R5ii BSI sensor will increase the dynamic range and lower noise at higher iso. So that's some significant improvement.
Also, the stacked sensor's quicker data reads will improve AF to some extent.
The BSI's light gathering efficiency paired with the stacked sensor read speeds may significantly improve low light AF. It may bring the RF800 f/11 and RF600 f/11 up to full-frame AF instead of the limited AF box area.
The hot-shoe is now updated too. A wireless microphone is now an option.
However, $4,400 is a hard pill to swallow for these conveniences.
If Canon added a full-size USB port, dual CF express card slots, an option to order the R5 in a configuration without the low-pass filter (e.g. R5ii-r & R5ii-rs) and a tilt-swing-swivel back panel, I would be gobsmacked.
But if people already are happy with the R5i, then the $4,400 savings will buy a lot of R-lenses.
Tough call here.
Pre ordered the R5II 🎉
a fool parts with their money...
@davepastern you ordered?
@@marcel9568 hell no
I have not used my R5 as much since getting the R7 at launch...so for me I'll be more excited about the R7 Mark II.
Thanks Jan for the update Looks like in the UK R5 Markii will be $5861😧 think i will stick with the R5 for now.
Great content, planning to order the R5ii later this year.
Love the channel; Thanks for all the info
8000 euros for the R1 in Ireland, it's a sports photography camera. No way I will be buying it. The R5ii is an improvement but still very expensive for any enthusiast wildlife photographer who are left with the R7 which is a good camera but with plenty of flaws like poor high iso performance, an average autofocos system and with lots of rolling shutter. So the R7ii is what I am waiting for that improves on those issues.
I was looking forward to the pre-capture BUT if having it on means that every time I press the shutter I take 20 images then it becomes almost unworkable. Getting home with a few thousand images to trawl through after every outing is not fun.
@@user-su2zh4zl3i this
it does pre-capture images and saves it or just buffer the images and when you take off finger, it doesn't save the images (like OM-1)?
@@pentagramyt417 to my understanding it immediately saves the pictures everytime you half press the shutter button
@@bamhamer Then it's worse for sure! OM-1 and A9III cancel the buffor, when you take off the finger. Only saves if you push it to take the photo. Seem Canon struggles as Panasonic..
I'd like to know if the R5II still doesn't have enough buffer for high-speed continuous shooting.
Finally a stacked sensor with 45 mp. Prebuffer in raw and not only in jpeg like Z8. The top for its category, I like this R5 II. Hope that readout is 1/160 and not less.
How do you calculate the read out, and in what specificaly can help you at those electronic shutter?
@@pentagramyt417 a fast read out help to limitate the risk of rolling shutter
Thank you, Jan. From what I've seen in a menu display, you can't select how many frames you want per second (up to 30 in burst mode). I expect the same speed will be used for the 0.5 sec. pre-shoot mode, Isn't it? By default it would be 15.
R1 will sell the Z 9 like hotcakes.
I had to think about what you wrote for a bit before I understood it. At first it appeared you were saying the R1 would outsell the Z9 but I see that you meant the poor result of the R1 from Canon will make Z9 sales increase.
@@TheChadWork2001 Bingo, the Canon R1 is the best Nikon Z9 advertisement out there :)
i own r5, r5c and r3.. i would love to exchange my r5 for r5ii and r3 for r1 - r5c is still the beast that does the job
Already Preordered R5 mark II wil tough keep my R6 Mark II
The Nikon D3X is 24.4-megapixel professional-grade full-frame digital camera announced by the Nikon Corporation on 1 December 2008.
And you wanna buy that and get better autofocus and 6k video ??
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision... Oh please go buy a R1 ,,,,lol
@@redauwg911 I don't need the R1. R5 is fine for me and so is the r6 with 20mp.
I’m still rocking my 5Dmk4 and hoping to snag a used R3 now!
I do birding with the mk4 and a 100-400mm and love the 30mp. Perfect balance between image quality, cropping and file workflow.
Aside from birding my business relies on dogs and sports so the R5 readout speed is a dealbreaker. I think my first mirrorless will now be a used R3. 24mp is fine.
I have a question about why have a video and photo switch? Why not two different buttons without changing? Example while recording a video you will also be able to use the Shutter Release Button to take photos at the same time. I know you can get individual pics from video but I would like to see this feature implemented. Cheers!
I really appreciated your review of the R5ii. However, I'm having trouble when switching to video mode-my shutter button isn't responding. I suspect I'm missing something in the settings. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
Glad you are on the case! R5 II, battery grip, and four of the new batteries preordered.
Trying my best, even though I was left out this time around 😅
Thanks for your insight Jan. Looking forward to the new content with the R5 Mark II.
Not sure I get all the drama around the R1. It's pretty much exactly the camera that everybody should have expected and of course it's similar to the R3. That was the point of the R3. Canon needed to put out a pro mirror-less body as a test bed for new tech but wasn't confident that it could best the 1DX Mark III they had just released. Also, they couldn't afford to disrespect IDX3 users by immediately releasing a replacement flagship.
So, they release an R"3", get a few years of experience to work out the bugs and now they are confident enough to release a updated version that they can confidently label an R1 and call it their flagship. No conspiracy. No hidden agenda. No drama. Just normal business practices. It's not a perfect camera for my purposes but I'm not the target market.
Two advantages I see over my Nikons is pre-capture in RAW; and I saw that Ted Forbes programmed the subject detection to a function button. I would love to be able to switch from animal to bird detection and back without having to go into the menu. The downside to the Canon might be the buffer. One wedding shooter loved that the Z6iii could switch from stills to video instantly without a delay while the buffer empties.
Amazing camera, both R1 and R5ii, BUT I think if you have an R3, you don't need to update to R1, if you have an R5 you don't need to upgrade to an R5ii. "Unfortunately" the R1 should had have more features from the R5ii. Im happy with my R5 and will probably get another R5 (a used one) as second body and spend other money on glas or trips!
The thing I want to know is does it sync a flash with focus bracketing like many of the OM cameras do, extremely useful for macro.
@@rayzalaf8988 what macro lens are you using ? I rented the Canon 100 F2.8 Macro, and loved it 🙂 I actually used a continuous light source, and did some focus stacking of like 60 to 200 frames. Worked pretty well. I’d sure like to own that lens !
@@Chris_Wolfgram I've got the RF 100 2.8 and a Sigma EF 180mm 2.8, when I changed to mirrorless the Sigma is the only EF lens I kept I absolutely love it gives that extra bit of reach when taking insect shots, downside it's quite a heavy lump and I always use it with a monopod, if you can find one👍 buy it.
I preordered the R5II, but there are 2 things, I haven't seen anywhere yet: is the new battery powerful enough that the R5II can use both autofocus motors of the RF600f4 and is there a burst mode aside from pre-capture? Great that it seems to be 14 bit in electronic shutter mode. As for the R1, I would be shocked if you would not buy it eventually. 🙂
I have an R3 and I use it as a video camera exclusively, so not sure I need another one of those haha.
The battery cannot power the second motors afaik
May well go for it - I shoot mostly landscape plus some wildlife, no video. Think the faster fps, less rolling shutter issues, better low light performance and far better auto focus sells it to me for wildlife over the R5
May I ask you one question as you are primarily a Canon user why they did not gave the pre release R5mkii and R1 for testing ?You did phenomenal job with Z6iii and z8 reviews from Nikon .Is it some kind of policy by canon as you also do video s for Sony and Nikon ?
Still would love to see a higher Megapixel Version of the R5. Something like a "R5II S" for Landscape with less Video functionality or FPS. I also think that they simply needed something AI for the presentation. Both the Upscaling and Noise Reduction within the Body simply doesn´t make any sense to me when the result is a JPEG. Also not a big Fan of the again new type of battery to get the full functionality of the camera. I think they made too much compromises to fit in the 8K video stuff in the R5 II like Vent Holes or the new grip without additional buttons.... Would love to see a separation in the future like the R5/R5 C.
So overall more or less a bit dissapointed this time and will stick to my R5 or switch system
just went to your link for the R5-ii. I saw Duane on a live broadcast as well. AF in low light, better cooling, and stacked sensor were enough. They aren't giving it away but there are improvements.
It will be interesting to see how many Canon sports photographers in a years time are using the R1 and how many are using the R5MKII . I know lots os Sony shooters stuck with the A1 as they had got used to the high MP and did not want to drop down to the A9MKIII.
Great video again, Jan.
Although I'm still very happy with my R5, it looks like the R5 II has ticked all the wishlist boxes after all and adds features on top, only a few had on their screen. It might be worth upgrading, if someone can reliably produce photos with it, that were not possible before. My hopes are pinned on the autofocus, pre-burst and the promised dynamic range. But if someone is just starting out in serious bird and wildlife photography, I don't see why they should choose an R5II (with some expensive 400, 600, 800 big white lens) over a combination like a Z8 with a 600 PF which is more affordable and delivers the same, perhaps more. Hopefully the following tests will show. An R1 has apparently been developed for a limited clientele and is unlikely to find a buyer among nature photographers, unlike the Z9.
I would have preferred it if Canon left out the "upscaling Jpeg" & "Eye control autofocus" gimmicks and put 2 x CF express Type-B card slots in with simultaneous back up for both photos and video. That would have been useful!
Hi Jan! Any idea what is the slowest shutter speed in R5II with electronic shutter? Still half a second, as it was in R5, or did they get rid of that limitation? As someone who shoots many looong timelapses, 14-bit color for electronic shutter would be excellent, if only not that 0.5 sec limit...
I would like the R5m3 to be an R5m2 in an R1 body with Global Shutter.
Just put it in the R3 body and cal it R2 and everyone would be happy and no one would complain about the R1 anymore
How about trying the new R5ii with a power bank? The old camera didnt want to work well once the batteries fell to around 50% so maybe if you use a powerbank with the new model you wont need to shell out loads of money for new batteries... Just a question that you may want to put out to your friends with the camera to test out for us all
Many thanks, Jan!
I'd be glad to see in the future how much this new sensor of the R5 II eliminates rolling shutter when compared to the R5 I. The need for new batteries for features like pre-capture is disappointing. Also, it would be nice to see a direct comparison of AF improvements in the field. Canon marketing emphasizes the new AF features for sports, but I haven't seen any related to wildlife so far.
Cheers!
I’ll be looking into these features for sure
Just what I was waiting for. An R6mkII with 45 mp and precapture.
Still no built in GPS, which is surprising. Is there any haptic feedback option when using the electronic shutter, to keep track of how many frames are being taken? It would have been nice to have a screen which tilts upwards without being folded out, which is less than ideal for still photography.
I looked online and couldn't find the answer. Does the new R5MkII have Fv mode? For me it's better than Manual mode and it's the only mode I shoot in.
I bet Canon sells wayyyyy more R1s then they did their Canon EOS-1D X Mark III DSLR Camera. The R1 is perfectly FINE for it's intended Niche Market. So why is a LOUD minority so tied up in Knots about a Camera that they have ZERO interest in. The R1 will more then serve it's purpose for Canon. The R5ii, the next R6iii, and hopefully a STACKED sensor R7ii will be FAR more important to Canon's bottom line. How is it that the GEAR don't matter Crowd hover around every Canon Release.
R1 is a head scratcher when we have the R3. They fill the same niche.
Shame about the pre capture, had hoped for more improvements to this feature.
Looks like a great camera for a premium price anyway. I wonder if it can focus stack with flash? This feature alone would make it a beast of a macro camera. Havent heard anything about it though so I dont have high hopes.
Well looks like I can keep my A1
Yes, but if I were you I would stop comparing because you might change your mind.
So if it was better than your A1, you would seriously literally physically switch ecosystems, to the R1? You're that much of a GAS guy and have the money to burn?
Why would it affect whether or not you keep a1? Doesn't make sense to switch systems just because of a camera when you have an a1 lol.
@@MOTOJendays your right, it doesnt. But it could have.
@@LetsBHonest Yes, I potentially would switch. Depends on the camera.
The R5 II is an exciting new camera. Thanks for the 'pre-capture' review ! I need your inputs on a new monitor I intend to buy. Do you think that a curved monitor would be good to use with lightroom in photo mode ? Should I stay with a flat screen ? Please let me know. Thanks !
Never used a curved monitor myself so can’t say
I think sports professionals will buy the R1 and perhaps Canon is targeting just them. The rest of us, will sway toward the R5 II (for Canon shooters) and Sony/Nikon for the rest. As a Z8 owner, I'm still very happy with how the camera holds up when compared to rivals in terms of features vs price. If I had to pick a feature from the new Canons (from what I've seen), it would be the AF AI. Nikon gave us some great firmware updates with new features, so maybe they'll give us something similar in the future ;)
Thanks Jan and looking forward to your thoughts when you get your canon R5mark II and I have preordered mine, cant wait!
R5ii sounds like it'd tick all the right boxes for me, expect that the price is about $500 AUD higher than what I was hoping for ($6449 + cost of battery grip and batteries). One of my most important considerations would be is how much the rolling shutter has been improved when using electronic shutter for stills over my current R5. What do you think Jan?
The old R5 launched at 6899, and I have seen deals already well below that, so in a way it’s actually a lot cheaper than I thought it would be
I was a little surprised / bummed that "with a stacked sensor" their would be any rolling shutter at all ? I guess some of folks I've heard from about this were wrong to say, a stacked sensor would completely eliminate this. Also, I guess that means, we can't completely throw out that old, archaic Mechanical shutter just yet :( I'd still likely use the Electronic Shutter mode, provided you can now add some sound to it. Didn't hear you mention this, but I'd have to assume... The original R5 freaking killed me with that. If I were looking for a new FF body, and had an extra $5K laying around, I guess Id have to buy the R5 Mk II, but I'd trade you an R5 Mk II for an R7 Mk II straight across ;) Just SO much more useful for my shooting.
To have no rolling shutter or very little you need it be around 4ms or less.
When the first speculative specifications for the R1 were indicating a very high Megapixel count, that made a good deal of sense, given the competition of the A1and the Z9, both of which are high megapixel flagships. At that point, I figured that a camera like this one would come out later, as the R3 Mark II. Even when the speculations switched to a 30 or 30+ mega-pixel camera, I still thought there was room for an R3 II, possibly with a global shutter to compete with the A9III. But this camera would seem to quash any chance of an R3II. The R3 appears to be a one-off technology prototype for the R1, the same way the film EOS 3 tested tech for the EOS 1 series. So the 45 point AF system ended up in the 1V (and would survive into the digital world with the 1D and 1DS series), while the eye-controlled AF reached a dead-end, not to be resurrected (in a much improved form) with the R3.
As for me, cameras in this price-range are outside of my reach. That being said, I think that Canon is communicating to its professional sports photographers and that might be leading to a certain conservatism, in terms of resolution, with high speed shooting and small file size (for rapid uploading to a news service) taking precedence. It's also why the 1DX series was limited to 20MP and why they stuck to a DSLR in 2020 for the 1DX Mark III. Pure speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable.
Canon seems to be trying to do two things simultaneously by announcing the R1 and the R5 Mark II at the same time. Satisfying their pro sports photographers with the R1, while providing the R5 Mark II to those who want both high resolution AND high performance. Only time will tell if this gamble pays off, but it seems to be a reasonable attempt to satisfy two disparate groups of photographers/videographers.
I think you are exactly right. We may see the R3 come back as a test bed for some new tech or maybe it stays in the line as an affordable non-flagship PJ cam. Personally I'd love to see them port the R52 sensor to that body and sell it for $5300. Wishful thinking on my part I expect.
@@BW_Maher Yeah, I kind of expected the opposite before things gelled around the R1 with a 24MP sensor. I thought that the R1 would be a very high-performance but also high resolution body (45-60MP), with a 24-30MP R3 Mark II, perhaps with a global shutter. This would have given them a counter to both the A1 and the A9 Mark III. I clearly couldn't have been more wrong. LOL
@@jeffgaboury3157 I hear ya. Not easy being a Canon user. They do have a way of getting under your skin. I'm pretty happy with my R5 so although I might like to upgrade I don't feel like I have to. Jan seems a little ticked. Hopefully the R5II will work out for him.
@@BW_Maher I think it will work out. It looks like an amazing camera. Although I'm excited to see the two new cameras, both are out of my league $$'s wise, as was the original R5 and the R6 series.
That's why I was so excited when the R8 came out, with the same focus system and sensor as the then brand new R6 Mark II. I'm loving my R8! My biggest excitement with the R1 and the R5II is to anticipate which technologies might trickle down to an R7II, which would be more in my budget. 😃
So should I get r5Mark ii or r3 🤔
The features of my R7 and R8 still measure up well and I enjoy the savings and the images I get.
Jan! This is the day we have been waiting for! Great informative video! Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Jan, great video, like always! R5II will be the hit, that's for sure.
Thanks, I just ordered the Z8.
Haha 😆
Good choice, I love mine. Amazing camera.
I am excited to see the field tests of the Canon R1 and RII, and I look forward to hearing your feedback on these new devices. Thank you for the presentation video! I also heard that Lightroom will integrate the DPP4 plugin, but this needs to be confirmed. Greetings from Switzerland.
I currently have the R3 and R5 and neither of these new cameras will have me going to the bank any time soon. I was really hoping for more megapixels in the R1 the R5 auto focus is a mile behind the R3 for birds so perhaps I'll wait to see some more reviews on the R5 Mk II to see how much that has improved.
If you were starting out fresh which do you think would be the better choice, the R5ii or the Nikon Z8?
Depends on the lenses I am planning to get. The R5 II will likely have better AF and much higher fps with working pre shooting and the Z8 a better buffer design and some video advantages
Canon still doesn’t get it on pre capture. Olympus had it figured out in 2013.
I preordered R5 MK2 but I might cancel it. Honestly it seems Canon is prioritizing Videographers and Journalist’s more than landscape and wildlife photographers.
Why don't you invest into OM-1 and 150-400 ?
Canon has always prioritized sports and photo journalism with nature and wildlife being well down the list.
@@pentagramyt417 I am thinking of moving to Nikon as they at least prioritize Bird and Wildlife photography. Waiting for Jan’s review of R5 Mark II before I take a final call.
@@chetankher Sure, but still there is no answer. It's weather sealed IP53, very lightweight,, with 150-400 you have F4.5 light, you have 50 fps with c-af pre capture. No camera is 100% reliable but no camera in the other hand have so much computational things.
pleas test dynamic range
Looking forward to your review not sure it's gonna be enough to upgrade my R5s ?? Your review will be key for me 😊
Hopefully soon
That dynamic range is super interesting; there must be a catch though... 16 stops is insane!
Thank you Jan for your interesting video, in which you explains some details better than others! First: the Canon R1 was a fantastic camera, but with only 24 MB it has to be compared to the Sony A9III. Second: the Canon R5 Mark II is a big improvement. As you explained it was not perfect and had some limits like the read out speed, the pre capture mode and the buffer.
My thoughts are using a Canon Camera additional to my Nikon Z9? I love my 600 mm PF lens and wait for your full review.
Man i love the 600 pf 😆
The R1 will be a fantastic camera for sports or photojournalists. If I was still shooting sports I would buy one. Canon will sell every one they can make. I wouldn't buy one because it's 24mpx. I've moved on to bigger sensors which is my preference for what I shoot now, which is mostly wildlife. I already have an R5Mk2 on preorder which is a very good upgrade to the original R5.
Interesting that Canon is bringing back the eye controlled autofocus. They did this on film cameras back in the 90’s and it didn’t work that great back then. Hopefully they’ve further developed and improved it into something useable.
Woke up at 3am local time (California) to order the R5 II Looking forward to your in field review!!
I agree with some other comments... the R1 should have been the R3 Mark II. The R1 should have been at least 60MP.
The R5 Mark II is a nice, but not huge update to the R5. Canon did a good job refining the R5 II, compared to the original. They also are charging $400 US more for it, than they did for the R5 at its introduction... $4299 versus $3899. A ten percent increase.
As I understand it, with uncompressed RAW you will only get about 3 seconds shooting with the electronic shutter at 30 fps. Reportedly using the pre-shoot feature will also cause the camera to hit the buffer wall even faster... the bottleneck being the SD memory card (if recording RAW to both cards). Maybe Canon should have put two CFExpress card slots in the R5 II, like they did the R1 and R3.
I will be waiting for the R7 Mark II and am hoping Canon will give it more "normal" control layout (same as the R5 II, etc.) and make it compatible with the battery grips those cameras use. They also need to improve readout speed (reduce rolling shutter) and upgrade the AF.
If Canon does right by the R7 II, they will be able to charge more for it. Remember, the R7 was introduced at a price $400 US *less* than the 7D Mark II... which sold like mad! I'm convinced buyers would pay more... but only if they get a more pro-orented APS-C camera in the R7 Mark II. A truly pro quality Canpn APS-C camera would be an exclusive among the "big three"... leapfrogging their competition (much as Nikon did with their D200, which led to their D300 & D500)
Do you happen to know if the R5 Mark II has a proximity sensor (for the EVF) that works like the R3, where it isn't constantly coming on every time something brushes past it, like the R5 and R6 does?
Maybe we must all do the 2 system thing....one canon r5 and one nikon z8......i am not to impressed with the specs. I do a lot of aviation pics and the rolling shutter issue on the props is a bummer. what is your feeling Jan?
I am certainly thinking about it, especially because of the 600pf
@@jan_wegener we are on the same page there.
@@stefanusrheeder4162R5 Ii 100-500 and z8 and 600pf and we can throw in the future A1 II which will likely be amazing with another 600, so we got it all covered
Thanks for your insights. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Simultaneous Video + Stills feature! Aside from all of the expected performance improvements, that new feature (or is it a mode?) seems to me like it would be the most exciting one for hybrid wildlife shooters. Maybe it’s not 8k/60 CLog3 + full speed 45MP RAW readout, at least we FINALLY have that same feature that iPhones have had for what feels like 10 years. 😊
It’s jpeg only
@@jan_wegener Could save you a lot of time, though, once it has been improved to RAW + 4k/6k! Perhaps that will be coming in the future as they walk up the capabilities of the new X chipset... I think the feature is at least worth a shot to show there’s some uptake.
I wanted 33mp for R1 but I guess 1DXmk3 users did not. R5mk2 price is reasonable so it will be a popular product.
R5 II looks very attractive; curious to see what the Nikon Z8 II and Sony A1 II and A7RVI look like as responses.
What responses? Those other cameras are no less than greater than or equal to the R5II 🤦🏽♂️
I don't think that the difference is large enough for people to switch between canon and Nikon. So probably not Z8ii all that soon. As for Sony: Their cameras seem to be a bit more specialised (so no A7rVI). Their high performance generalist camera is the A1. And an A1ii would be a plausible soon-to-come camera. And that one will blow us away.
The Z8 still might be a better move for the lenses away from Canon. Although I like the idea of the smaller body of the R5II. I'm happy so far with the R5II spec and if the grey market (HK to UK) prices are quick to reduce I can see me grabbing one. R1 was simply a no no 24MP full frame is an only sports cam not for birds. I would have grabbed it if the R7II appeared with a stacked sensor.
Nikon prime lenses are too expensive
@@Chris-ti7lzCompared to which lenses? The Nikon primes are in a league of their own.
@@andrewmason8691 to Sony’s. Nikon’s 400 2.8 and 600 f4 are crazy expensive.
Just sold my Nikon Z8 to go back to Canon!!! LOL!! Good camera, but has limitations just like the others. The auto focus is where Canon shines in my opinion.
@@andrewmason8691 compared to Sonys and third parts. If I want a 400 2.8 or a 600 f4 Nikon’s are the most expensive.
The R1 looks like an R3 Mark II, rather than a flagship camera. Lucky for Canon more people will buy the R5 Mark II. The R1 is well behind the Nikon Z9 and Sony A1, which are better all round cameras and superior to the R1 in most respects. I stopped buying Canon flagship cameras some years ago and nothing today would make me start again.
R1 = R3m2
R3 full retail price was a rip off.
How is Canon allowing a hard buffer and even a slight rolling shutter on the R5ii? That's disappointing to me and a big surprise that both tech issues were not resolved. However, Pre-capture is a big bonus but if it means getting to a hard buffer earlier its a great start but a premature finish. As for the R1. Why have an R1 and R3?
Yes it’s an odd one. It seems like canons buffer issues are somehow systemic. I wonder if it is related to how the read/write works. Not sure, but something is holding them back a lot compared to Sony and Nikon
@@jan_wegener I really want to get some more serious Canon gear but if other manufacturers are better then my Canon loyalty will be truly tested. 🤞
well there's always the r5iii and then iv etc...
I honestly don't think I'll upgrade from my R5 to the R5 mark II. I bought my camera in a store for $3000 when it came out and I find it difficult to find this latest camera at that price. I value the new camera's AF system, the elimination of 30 minutes of recording, and the pre-shooting. Not many more than that. I miss high resolution photos in raw files.
there's pros and cons to this release, but gotta say the EVF and price point of the R1 is extremely attractive to me.
As a Nikon shooter, these releases are not for me. That said, I have plenty of Canon shooting friends. I haven't polled them yet, but after watching a number of "in-depth" pre-views (on pre-release beta version software) there are a number of things that stand out here. 1st: The marketing strategy of Canon here is less clear that I would have thought. Rather than aim at other flagships like the Sony A1, A9iii, and Nikon Z9 and Z8, Canon has brought out a more expensive (for the technology) and equal or slightly less capable flagship camera in the R1. While the body is super well laid out, and the bells that go with it are nice, the ability of the sensor (which is why one would buy this) seems a little behind the other "big two". The lower MP of the R1 also means that people like yourself are more likely to go for the updated R5 - which as some of the comments suggest - does feel a bit like a higher MP R3. Overall, I think based on specs and shooting experiences of those with pre-production cameras - these offerings are not going to move people from other brands - but likely make Canon R5 shooters happy with the upgrade. As for someone choosing a new mirrorless company to buy into - I'm not sure it's going to sway new purchasers either. With Canon staying as the least "value" or bang for buck, you have to wonder now where they are going. I use to say this about Nikon, but over the last 3 years, things have changed. I hear that the AF in video is not as good (in early pre-release) as people wanted and not as sticky as they wanted. There are also a number of features that seem are so unique in their use-case (like the pre-capture of the R3) that it left some wondering "Why spend time developing this?". Time will tell. I wish for my Canon friends that these amazing cameras are significant upgrades for them. R5 Canon users will likely upgrade. As for the R1, Canon has made a relative niche camera with little buzz or "wow" concepts when it comes to the sensor (i.e. Sony A9iii with global shutter). The inclusion of eye controlled AF may be a very nice addition, but that was already present in the R3. Sports ID specific tracking, I believe, has been done by Panasonic for nearly a decade. The R1 is likely to be a terrific for sports/action camera - and maybe that's what Canon aimed (at the Olympics) had in mind. As for a clear direction for the company, this is feeling a bit bipolar (as with the launch event) - giving reviewers only a short time (hours) to shoot with two new cameras in pre-production mode - in Arizona in July (with 105 degree heat). Even with all the time Canon has been working on the R1, the launch seems rushed for the Olympics. Best wishes and hope to see what you think when you get the camera in hand. Just curious where (for Canon and Nikon) are the zebras in stills? Is this technology for stills patented by Sony?
I'm not a Canon shooter but the only thing impressive about the new R1 is the autofocus. I suspect the R1 will have the best AF of any camera. Regards the R5mkII I'd say having a fully stacked sensor is the highlight but other than that if I shot the R5mkI I'm not sure anything else would compel me to upgrade. Overall both are a bit disappointing given how long Canon have been working to make improvements. If its 4 more years until we see a R1mkII & R5mkIII, Sony and Nikon will likely have pulled way ahead with their forthcoming Z9II and A1mkII.
Canon R6 II is still a bargain at $2000.
The R1 is just a R3 1.5. I''ll keep my fantastic R3