I'll buy it. The R5ii (I don't give a damn of the R1). Many good news. This will be the first time I've spent so much money on a camera. The R7 will become my second camera for wildlife .
So, so, so many gear nerds are spending their lives waiting for the next wonder camera to come out. Now they have seen the R1 and R5 mkii they can happily start looking forward to the R1 mkii and the R5 mkiii. I wonder if they ever get to actually shoot any photographs.
When Canon puts out a camera it seems like people always complain about the specs, then over time those same people say the camera is one of best on the market. These specs wars are getting ridiculous. You really don't know how good a camera is until you've had a chance to use the camera for several months and really learn the camera in my opinion.
totally agree! When the 5Dmkiii came out everyone complained that the specs weren't different enough to the 5Dmkii - but in the real world it was sooo much better!
@@jan_wegener I don't know yet, it's a french TH-camr (Damien bernal) who said backup recording was possible but it wasn't a full review, just hands-on. I hope so, because backup recording isn't available with Nikon.
I have used the Canon 1 Dx Mark II for all photos/videos of my Macaw family shared both on Facebook and TH-cam since 2016. After watching your experience with the Canon R3, I rented one for a week. The eye tracking autofocus and 4K video on the R3 is so good, I bought the R3 and also purchased your very helpful R3 setup .pdf. I love the large and heavy body of the 1 Dx, but the R3 actually feels better. The R3 uses the same battery as the 1 Dx, and the lens adapter allows me to use all of my EF lenses with the R3. I do not need the extra speed of the Ri, so have no reason to buy one. My only complaint with the R3 are the flash card setup; having two CFExpress slots like the R1 would make the R3 a 'perfect' camera for my needs. Great video, thanks for sharing your experiences and helping me decide to purchase the Canon R3!
From what in can tell, Canon has listened to feedback on the R5 and this looks to be a decent upgrade. Hope the R7 ii gets the same treatment. More speed, better af (would love eye control lol even v1), stacked sensor, higher bitrate and probably a faster card type (although I would be annoyed if I were in need of redundancy). I need a battery grip too along with fixing all the beta firmware such as pre capture. Add in the Ai upscale too. I might have got carried away and Canon will charge £2k. Although I think Canon underestimated the R7 user who used one of the previous 90d/7d line bodies and had high expectations. All my opinion.
An R7 Mk II has to be on par with at least the R6 Mk II. I'm sure many seruous R7 users would gladly take on the additional cost if the end product is worth it.
Hi Jan, Great video with some exciting new features. Im waiting until next year before I do anything with changing cameras. Maybe by then the R5 MkII might be on sale !
I have already ordered a R5 II. The heat must be improved for 2 reasons: the basic body has vents and if that still is insufficient, buy the fanned grip. I also love face registration. Few reviewers mention this.
Thanks for the insights Jan. I'll probably end up purchasing the R5 MK II eventually, but when I factor in all the extra costs of battery grip, batteries, cards etc, I'm having trouble justifying the expenditure at this stage. In the main, I'm really achieving the results that I currently need with my current R5 and R7. I'm delaying my final decision until I've read a few more reviews as they come out. Am particularly interested in how effective the BSI sensor is in reducing rolling shutter in stills. Hopefully, Canon will publish a manual soon that I can have a look at as well.
I'll just keep using this old dusty R5mk1 it performs well for me - all I do is Wildlife with some video - nothing I heard here makes me want to spend another 4300 for my hobby - I'd rather save that towards something like a 400 2.8 lens.
@@TheWildlifeGallery388 a trade in greatly decreases the price. For wildlife photography the improvements in eye recognition and tracking, r the main reasons I have traded my R5 I and ordered an R5 II.
I'm in on the R5II, mainly for the improved AF--that's really my main frustration with my R5, especially compared to the R7 and R6II. My aging eyes will also welcome the larger and brighter EVF! For me the rest is bonus, or interesting to try out--eye-control AF, stacked sensor, 14-bit in electronic shutter (which is what I usually use when shooting wildlife), improved IBIS, and a (hopefully) usable pre-capture mode. I presume it will also remove the R5's electronic shutter mode quirks like no bracketing and 0.5-second maximum exposure. I'm excited to get my hands on it!
Are saying your R5 AF doesn't perform as well as the R7? I had heard the opposite. I assumed that it was because the R5 had a faster processor? I only have the R7 and find it amazing "mostly". But it does often show me eye lock when I know it isn't. Having said that the AF has allowed me to captur so many shots I wouldn't otherwise have got.
@@adrianduncan8355 The R5 is 2 years older than the R7, so its AF isn't quite as up to speed technologically. That's not to say it's bad, of course! I have found the R5 does better than the R7 in low light, but for subjects that are smaller, moving, or partly obscured by foliage, the R7 is better at finding and keeping a lock on the subject. The R6 Mark II has been Canon's gold standard for AF since it was released, so if the R5II is even beyond that, I expect to be very happy!
I have the r7 and then R5. The R7 has a more advanced AF system, more flexible too. But when the metal hits the road, I’d rather have the R5 because the R7 will miss. It may show it is locked onto an eye, but when you get the photo it is not in focus. Also, the R7 has too much shutter slap so the MS is out. The FCES is better, but it still shows a lot of shake in the VF when shooting. The ES has such bad rolling shutter than many flying shots are unusable (for me, anyway). But for stills, or perched birds, the R7 is great on a fast lens. It gives very detailed images and the 1.6x crop factor means you get a lot of pixels on the subject. So, that is how I use my R7. Perched birds. I do get some decent shots of flying birds sometimes, too, but that is a lot more risky. The R5 gives me many more shots I can use, but anything flying in front of a fence or building on the R5 is ruined, due to rolling shutter. So, hopefully, the R5M2 is going to solve that problem. that is the first thing I will test on it, and if it is not up to snuff, it is going back.
@@RogerZoul Is risking ruined shots because of rolling shutter on birds in flight still better than just running mechanical shutter? Obviously less fps, but no worries about rolling shutter. 12fps is still quite a bump up from a 7D2 or 90D for a first mirrorless camera. Seems like they should have just left off electronic shutter on the R7 it's so bad. They need to fix the wandering focus on the R7 for sure, lots and lots of complaining about that, and rightfully so.
I like the fact that they didn't change many buttons and kept the same layout. It will make it easier to use my new R5 MK II and my existing R5 together.
I reckon I will be getting the R5 mkII. I think it will shoot me perfectly. I got my hands on a prerelease model at a local CameraHouse and it felt good in my hands. The buttons fitted nicely under my fingers, the viewfinder was great, and the diopter adjustment was great. I can remove my glasses, which I could not do with my EOS 6D mk2. The body weight felt good and balanced. As usual I found the menu structure easy to use. Overall, I love this new model. Now to work out what I need with the body.
Thanks for the first look! I'm still not entirely convinced by the R5II (the R1 is a crying shame als a flagship in my opinion), but what could defiintely influence my decision is how the R5II performs in low light versus the R5. Could you perhaps do a side by side comparison with the R5 in a future video once you have the R5II available for yourself? I'd especially be interested how the higher ISO-numbers (from 6400 up to 25.600) compare with each other since there is a limit to what DxO can solve when it comes to details in regard to the R5. I'd also be curious how much more shots can be taken on average with an R5 with the new battery compared to the old R5 battery. Looking forward to future videos!
Simple: 24 MP. Fine to prioritize speed over MP, but don't say it's the best camera you've got with an accompanying price. It is simply too little for this day and age, especially since there is already an R3 which is way too similar to this camera.
@@naturebylennart ah. well, it's the best camera they have for everyone in the sports/journalism is prob whats going unsaid here. but not a surprise either though right? not sure they've ever produced flagship with *lot of MP. end of the day, everyone has different MP needs; for me, 20 is plently for i just prefer the better low light performance and rarely do any major cropping. in the instance i do need some resolution, the LR SuperRes works just fine, and get to keep my workflow & and manage 1/2 the data. but, I also overly-prioritize my lens budget over bodies to make sure i'm getting it right in-camera. but, it's also hard to be overly critical of a camera that isn't for sale yet, too.
I’m still rocking my 5Dmk4 and hoping to snag a used R3 now! I do birding with the mk4 and a 100-400mm and love the 30mp. Perfect balance between image quality, cropping and file workflow. Aside from birding my business relies on dogs and sports so the R5 readout speed is a dealbreaker. I think my first mirrorless will now be a used R3. 24mp is fine.
Thank you, Jan. From what I've seen in a menu display, you can't select how many frames you want per second (up to 30 in burst mode). I expect the same speed will be used for the 0.5 sec. pre-shoot mode, Isn't it? By default it would be 15.
Thanks for your insight Jan. Looking forward to the new content with the R5 Mark II. Not sure I get all the drama around the R1. It's pretty much exactly the camera that everybody should have expected and of course it's similar to the R3. That was the point of the R3. Canon needed to put out a pro mirror-less body as a test bed for new tech but wasn't confident that it could best the 1DX Mark III they had just released. Also, they couldn't afford to disrespect IDX3 users by immediately releasing a replacement flagship. So, they release an R"3", get a few years of experience to work out the bugs and now they are confident enough to release a updated version that they can confidently label an R1 and call it their flagship. No conspiracy. No hidden agenda. No drama. Just normal business practices. It's not a perfect camera for my purposes but I'm not the target market.
I really appreciated your review of the R5ii. However, I'm having trouble when switching to video mode-my shutter button isn't responding. I suspect I'm missing something in the settings. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
I guess that the new R5ii BSI sensor will increase the dynamic range and lower noise at higher iso. So that's some significant improvement. Also, the stacked sensor's quicker data reads will improve AF to some extent. The BSI's light gathering efficiency paired with the stacked sensor read speeds may significantly improve low light AF. It may bring the RF800 f/11 and RF600 f/11 up to full-frame AF instead of the limited AF box area. The hot-shoe is now updated too. A wireless microphone is now an option. However, $4,400 is a hard pill to swallow for these conveniences. If Canon added a full-size USB port, dual CF express card slots, an option to order the R5 in a configuration without the low-pass filter (e.g. R5ii-r & R5ii-rs) and a tilt-swing-swivel back panel, I would be gobsmacked. But if people already are happy with the R5i, then the $4,400 savings will buy a lot of R-lenses. Tough call here.
Great video again, Jan. Although I'm still very happy with my R5, it looks like the R5 II has ticked all the wishlist boxes after all and adds features on top, only a few had on their screen. It might be worth upgrading, if someone can reliably produce photos with it, that were not possible before. My hopes are pinned on the autofocus, pre-burst and the promised dynamic range. But if someone is just starting out in serious bird and wildlife photography, I don't see why they should choose an R5II (with some expensive 400, 600, 800 big white lens) over a combination like a Z8 with a 600 PF which is more affordable and delivers the same, perhaps more. Hopefully the following tests will show. An R1 has apparently been developed for a limited clientele and is unlikely to find a buyer among nature photographers, unlike the Z9.
Many thanks, Jan! I'd be glad to see in the future how much this new sensor of the R5 II eliminates rolling shutter when compared to the R5 I. The need for new batteries for features like pre-capture is disappointing. Also, it would be nice to see a direct comparison of AF improvements in the field. Canon marketing emphasizes the new AF features for sports, but I haven't seen any related to wildlife so far. Cheers!
Thanks for the insights! When doing AF tests please add a scenario when the bird head is down, like below the body level. Shooting with R5 I noticed that the AF presumes that the head of the bird is usually highier than the body and in many circumstances it tries to find the eye by looking at the the highier part of the bird body, regardless of the fact that the eye it was tracking is still perfectly visible, but the head is somewhere down there... This frustrated me a lot... Many thanks
May I ask you one question as you are primarily a Canon user why they did not gave the pre release R5mkii and R1 for testing ?You did phenomenal job with Z6iii and z8 reviews from Nikon .Is it some kind of policy by canon as you also do video s for Sony and Nikon ?
Hi Jan! Any idea what is the slowest shutter speed in R5II with electronic shutter? Still half a second, as it was in R5, or did they get rid of that limitation? As someone who shoots many looong timelapses, 14-bit color for electronic shutter would be excellent, if only not that 0.5 sec limit...
May well go for it - I shoot mostly landscape plus some wildlife, no video. Think the faster fps, less rolling shutter issues, better low light performance and far better auto focus sells it to me for wildlife over the R5
just went to your link for the R5-ii. I saw Duane on a live broadcast as well. AF in low light, better cooling, and stacked sensor were enough. They aren't giving it away but there are improvements.
Two advantages I see over my Nikons is pre-capture in RAW; and I saw that Ted Forbes programmed the subject detection to a function button. I would love to be able to switch from animal to bird detection and back without having to go into the menu. The downside to the Canon might be the buffer. One wedding shooter loved that the Z6iii could switch from stills to video instantly without a delay while the buffer empties.
I preordered the R5II, but there are 2 things, I haven't seen anywhere yet: is the new battery powerful enough that the R5II can use both autofocus motors of the RF600f4 and is there a burst mode aside from pre-capture? Great that it seems to be 14 bit in electronic shutter mode. As for the R1, I would be shocked if you would not buy it eventually. 🙂
I have an R3 and I use it as a video camera exclusively, so not sure I need another one of those haha. The battery cannot power the second motors afaik
I have a question about why have a video and photo switch? Why not two different buttons without changing? Example while recording a video you will also be able to use the Shutter Release Button to take photos at the same time. I know you can get individual pics from video but I would like to see this feature implemented. Cheers!
8000 euros for the R1 in Ireland, it's a sports photography camera. No way I will be buying it. The R5ii is an improvement but still very expensive for any enthusiast wildlife photographer who are left with the R7 which is a good camera but with plenty of flaws like poor high iso performance, an average autofocos system and with lots of rolling shutter. So the R7ii is what I am waiting for that improves on those issues.
Finally a stacked sensor with 45 mp. Prebuffer in raw and not only in jpeg like Z8. The top for its category, I like this R5 II. Hope that readout is 1/160 and not less.
Depends on the lenses I am planning to get. The R5 II will likely have better AF and much higher fps with working pre shooting and the Z8 a better buffer design and some video advantages
Still would love to see a higher Megapixel Version of the R5. Something like a "R5II S" for Landscape with less Video functionality or FPS. I also think that they simply needed something AI for the presentation. Both the Upscaling and Noise Reduction within the Body simply doesn´t make any sense to me when the result is a JPEG. Also not a big Fan of the again new type of battery to get the full functionality of the camera. I think they made too much compromises to fit in the 8K video stuff in the R5 II like Vent Holes or the new grip without additional buttons.... Would love to see a separation in the future like the R5/R5 C. So overall more or less a bit dissapointed this time and will stick to my R5 or switch system
Amazing camera, both R1 and R5ii, BUT I think if you have an R3, you don't need to update to R1, if you have an R5 you don't need to upgrade to an R5ii. "Unfortunately" the R1 should had have more features from the R5ii. Im happy with my R5 and will probably get another R5 (a used one) as second body and spend other money on glas or trips!
@@rayzalaf8988 what macro lens are you using ? I rented the Canon 100 F2.8 Macro, and loved it 🙂 I actually used a continuous light source, and did some focus stacking of like 60 to 200 frames. Worked pretty well. I’d sure like to own that lens !
@@Chris_Wolfgram I've got the RF 100 2.8 and a Sigma EF 180mm 2.8, when I changed to mirrorless the Sigma is the only EF lens I kept I absolutely love it gives that extra bit of reach when taking insect shots, downside it's quite a heavy lump and I always use it with a monopod, if you can find one👍 buy it.
The R5 II is an exciting new camera. Thanks for the 'pre-capture' review ! I need your inputs on a new monitor I intend to buy. Do you think that a curved monitor would be good to use with lightroom in photo mode ? Should I stay with a flat screen ? Please let me know. Thanks !
When the first speculative specifications for the R1 were indicating a very high Megapixel count, that made a good deal of sense, given the competition of the A1and the Z9, both of which are high megapixel flagships. At that point, I figured that a camera like this one would come out later, as the R3 Mark II. Even when the speculations switched to a 30 or 30+ mega-pixel camera, I still thought there was room for an R3 II, possibly with a global shutter to compete with the A9III. But this camera would seem to quash any chance of an R3II. The R3 appears to be a one-off technology prototype for the R1, the same way the film EOS 3 tested tech for the EOS 1 series. So the 45 point AF system ended up in the 1V (and would survive into the digital world with the 1D and 1DS series), while the eye-controlled AF reached a dead-end, not to be resurrected (in a much improved form) with the R3. As for me, cameras in this price-range are outside of my reach. That being said, I think that Canon is communicating to its professional sports photographers and that might be leading to a certain conservatism, in terms of resolution, with high speed shooting and small file size (for rapid uploading to a news service) taking precedence. It's also why the 1DX series was limited to 20MP and why they stuck to a DSLR in 2020 for the 1DX Mark III. Pure speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable. Canon seems to be trying to do two things simultaneously by announcing the R1 and the R5 Mark II at the same time. Satisfying their pro sports photographers with the R1, while providing the R5 Mark II to those who want both high resolution AND high performance. Only time will tell if this gamble pays off, but it seems to be a reasonable attempt to satisfy two disparate groups of photographers/videographers.
I think you are exactly right. We may see the R3 come back as a test bed for some new tech or maybe it stays in the line as an affordable non-flagship PJ cam. Personally I'd love to see them port the R52 sensor to that body and sell it for $5300. Wishful thinking on my part I expect.
@@BW_Maher Yeah, I kind of expected the opposite before things gelled around the R1 with a 24MP sensor. I thought that the R1 would be a very high-performance but also high resolution body (45-60MP), with a 24-30MP R3 Mark II, perhaps with a global shutter. This would have given them a counter to both the A1 and the A9 Mark III. I clearly couldn't have been more wrong. LOL
@@jeffgaboury3157 I hear ya. Not easy being a Canon user. They do have a way of getting under your skin. I'm pretty happy with my R5 so although I might like to upgrade I don't feel like I have to. Jan seems a little ticked. Hopefully the R5II will work out for him.
@@BW_Maher I think it will work out. It looks like an amazing camera. Although I'm excited to see the two new cameras, both are out of my league $$'s wise, as was the original R5 and the R6 series. That's why I was so excited when the R8 came out, with the same focus system and sensor as the then brand new R6 Mark II. I'm loving my R8! My biggest excitement with the R1 and the R5II is to anticipate which technologies might trickle down to an R7II, which would be more in my budget. 😃
How about trying the new R5ii with a power bank? The old camera didnt want to work well once the batteries fell to around 50% so maybe if you use a powerbank with the new model you wont need to shell out loads of money for new batteries... Just a question that you may want to put out to your friends with the camera to test out for us all
Hey Jan, 2 Fragen zu R5mk2 1. Hat man jetzt auch die Möglichkeit ein leises Auslösegeräusch mit elektronischen Verschluss einzustellen? Bislang leider nur geräuschlos bei der R5 2. Hat man nun einen blackout freien Sucher? Gerade bei Mitziehern eine sehr unschöne Sache leider... Preburst ist für mich eher mager...10-15Bilder maximal....naja... Gruß Michael
I am excited to see the field tests of the Canon R1 and RII, and I look forward to hearing your feedback on these new devices. Thank you for the presentation video! I also heard that Lightroom will integrate the DPP4 plugin, but this needs to be confirmed. Greetings from Switzerland.
I was looking forward to the pre-capture BUT if having it on means that every time I press the shutter I take 20 images then it becomes almost unworkable. Getting home with a few thousand images to trawl through after every outing is not fun.
@@bamhamer Then it's worse for sure! OM-1 and A9III cancel the buffor, when you take off the finger. Only saves if you push it to take the photo. Seem Canon struggles as Panasonic..
R5ii sounds like it'd tick all the right boxes for me, expect that the price is about $500 AUD higher than what I was hoping for ($6449 + cost of battery grip and batteries). One of my most important considerations would be is how much the rolling shutter has been improved when using electronic shutter for stills over my current R5. What do you think Jan?
It will be interesting to see how many Canon sports photographers in a years time are using the R1 and how many are using the R5MKII . I know lots os Sony shooters stuck with the A1 as they had got used to the high MP and did not want to drop down to the A9MKIII.
I agree with some other comments... the R1 should have been the R3 Mark II. The R1 should have been at least 60MP. The R5 Mark II is a nice, but not huge update to the R5. Canon did a good job refining the R5 II, compared to the original. They also are charging $400 US more for it, than they did for the R5 at its introduction... $4299 versus $3899. A ten percent increase. As I understand it, with uncompressed RAW you will only get about 3 seconds shooting with the electronic shutter at 30 fps. Reportedly using the pre-shoot feature will also cause the camera to hit the buffer wall even faster... the bottleneck being the SD memory card (if recording RAW to both cards). Maybe Canon should have put two CFExpress card slots in the R5 II, like they did the R1 and R3. I will be waiting for the R7 Mark II and am hoping Canon will give it more "normal" control layout (same as the R5 II, etc.) and make it compatible with the battery grips those cameras use. They also need to improve readout speed (reduce rolling shutter) and upgrade the AF. If Canon does right by the R7 II, they will be able to charge more for it. Remember, the R7 was introduced at a price $400 US *less* than the 7D Mark II... which sold like mad! I'm convinced buyers would pay more... but only if they get a more pro-orented APS-C camera in the R7 Mark II. A truly pro quality Canpn APS-C camera would be an exclusive among the "big three"... leapfrogging their competition (much as Nikon did with their D200, which led to their D300 & D500)
I would have preferred it if Canon left out the "upscaling Jpeg" & "Eye control autofocus" gimmicks and put 2 x CF express Type-B card slots in with simultaneous back up for both photos and video. That would have been useful!
I think sports professionals will buy the R1 and perhaps Canon is targeting just them. The rest of us, will sway toward the R5 II (for Canon shooters) and Sony/Nikon for the rest. As a Z8 owner, I'm still very happy with how the camera holds up when compared to rivals in terms of features vs price. If I had to pick a feature from the new Canons (from what I've seen), it would be the AF AI. Nikon gave us some great firmware updates with new features, so maybe they'll give us something similar in the future ;)
R1 is a head scratcher when we have the R3. They fill the same niche. Shame about the pre capture, had hoped for more improvements to this feature. Looks like a great camera for a premium price anyway. I wonder if it can focus stack with flash? This feature alone would make it a beast of a macro camera. Havent heard anything about it though so I dont have high hopes.
Still no built in GPS, which is surprising. Is there any haptic feedback option when using the electronic shutter, to keep track of how many frames are being taken? It would have been nice to have a screen which tilts upwards without being folded out, which is less than ideal for still photography.
Do you happen to know if the R5 Mark II has a proximity sensor (for the EVF) that works like the R3, where it isn't constantly coming on every time something brushes past it, like the R5 and R6 does?
I was a little surprised / bummed that "with a stacked sensor" their would be any rolling shutter at all ? I guess some of folks I've heard from about this were wrong to say, a stacked sensor would completely eliminate this. Also, I guess that means, we can't completely throw out that old, archaic Mechanical shutter just yet :( I'd still likely use the Electronic Shutter mode, provided you can now add some sound to it. Didn't hear you mention this, but I'd have to assume... The original R5 freaking killed me with that. If I were looking for a new FF body, and had an extra $5K laying around, I guess Id have to buy the R5 Mk II, but I'd trade you an R5 Mk II for an R7 Mk II straight across ;) Just SO much more useful for my shooting.
I currently have the R3 and R5 and neither of these new cameras will have me going to the bank any time soon. I was really hoping for more megapixels in the R1 the R5 auto focus is a mile behind the R3 for birds so perhaps I'll wait to see some more reviews on the R5 Mk II to see how much that has improved.
The R1 will be a fantastic camera for sports or photojournalists. If I was still shooting sports I would buy one. Canon will sell every one they can make. I wouldn't buy one because it's 24mpx. I've moved on to bigger sensors which is my preference for what I shoot now, which is mostly wildlife. I already have an R5Mk2 on preorder which is a very good upgrade to the original R5.
Jan (and anyone else who can offer their thoughts!) - I have some very old equipment and have decided to get back into photography so am basically starting from scratch on the equipment side. Knowing you haven’t tested the R5M2 yet, would you suggest that (or the R5M1) with the 100-500 or the Z8 with the 180-600. Almost exclusively going to be used for wildlife/birds on hikes. I like the weight/size of the Canon pair but there’s some decent savings on the Nikon and I know how much you enjoyed that after the firmware update recently.
Thanks for your insights. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Simultaneous Video + Stills feature! Aside from all of the expected performance improvements, that new feature (or is it a mode?) seems to me like it would be the most exciting one for hybrid wildlife shooters. Maybe it’s not 8k/60 CLog3 + full speed 45MP RAW readout, at least we FINALLY have that same feature that iPhones have had for what feels like 10 years. 😊
@@jan_wegener Could save you a lot of time, though, once it has been improved to RAW + 4k/6k! Perhaps that will be coming in the future as they walk up the capabilities of the new X chipset... I think the feature is at least worth a shot to show there’s some uptake.
Thank you Jan for your interesting video, in which you explains some details better than others! First: the Canon R1 was a fantastic camera, but with only 24 MB it has to be compared to the Sony A9III. Second: the Canon R5 Mark II is a big improvement. As you explained it was not perfect and had some limits like the read out speed, the pre capture mode and the buffer. My thoughts are using a Canon Camera additional to my Nikon Z9? I love my 600 mm PF lens and wait for your full review.
I didn’t see any discussion about the autofocus subject detection types. Is there an animal or bird subject recognition with eye detection? Are the CFExpress Type B sockets generation 4?
I see it’s got Ai learning for face detection on humans. Wonder if same function will work on animals and birds as well? If you could check that out for us please Jan!
@@jan_wegener New: 0:03 ® Register people priority Prioritize detecting registered people. When [Subject to detect) is set to other than [People], prioritize detecting subject settings. And also: Sports events ie. Soccer, basketball and Volleyball!
I honestly don't think I'll upgrade from my R5 to the R5 mark II. I bought my camera in a store for $3000 when it came out and I find it difficult to find this latest camera at that price. I value the new camera's AF system, the elimination of 30 minutes of recording, and the pre-shooting. Not many more than that. I miss high resolution photos in raw files.
Interesting that Canon is bringing back the eye controlled autofocus. They did this on film cameras back in the 90’s and it didn’t work that great back then. Hopefully they’ve further developed and improved it into something useable.
How is Canon allowing a hard buffer and even a slight rolling shutter on the R5ii? That's disappointing to me and a big surprise that both tech issues were not resolved. However, Pre-capture is a big bonus but if it means getting to a hard buffer earlier its a great start but a premature finish. As for the R1. Why have an R1 and R3?
Yes it’s an odd one. It seems like canons buffer issues are somehow systemic. I wonder if it is related to how the read/write works. Not sure, but something is holding them back a lot compared to Sony and Nikon
I preordered R5 MK2 but I might cancel it. Honestly it seems Canon is prioritizing Videographers and Journalist’s more than landscape and wildlife photographers.
@@pentagramyt417 I am thinking of moving to Nikon as they at least prioritize Bird and Wildlife photography. Waiting for Jan’s review of R5 Mark II before I take a final call.
@@chetankher Sure, but still there is no answer. It's weather sealed IP53, very lightweight,, with 150-400 you have F4.5 light, you have 50 fps with c-af pre capture. No camera is 100% reliable but no camera in the other hand have so much computational things.
This is actually a compelling upgrade for the r5. I'm curious how much the vents built into the body will affect the weather sealing. We need an inclement weather review.
Does the rear LCD really feature a higher resolution than the R5? I thought both the R5 and R5 MkII feature 2.1M and the same size? At least that's what's stated on Canon"s website.
The R3 was the first camera that could take full advantage of lenses with Dual Power AF: what about the R5 Mark II and R1? I guess both support this too, right?
One feature I like on my R3 is panning assist (available with firmware 1.4.1) So far I don't see panning assist listed for either the R5 II or R1. For me that's a disappointment.
R1 would have been impressive 3 years ago, they obviosuly didn't rush it out but is this really what they had in mind for their Flagship today
I'll buy it. The R5ii (I don't give a damn of the R1). Many good news. This will be the first time I've spent so much money on a camera. The R7 will become my second camera for wildlife .
So, so, so many gear nerds are spending their lives waiting for the next wonder camera to come out. Now they have seen the R1 and R5 mkii they can happily start looking forward to the R1 mkii and the R5 mkiii.
I wonder if they ever get to actually shoot any photographs.
@@FlatWaterFilms phones are cheaper & have more than one use & slip into your pocket
Nobody is shooting wildlife on their phones don't lie. Okay maybe your Mum and Gran but thats it 😂@@FlatWaterFilms
@@guidlinesOkay 😂
When Canon puts out a camera it seems like people always complain about the specs, then over time those same people say the camera is one of best on the market. These specs wars are getting ridiculous. You really don't know how good a camera is until you've had a chance to use the camera for several months and really learn the camera in my opinion.
totally agree! When the 5Dmkiii came out everyone complained that the specs weren't different enough to the 5Dmkii - but in the real world it was sooo much better!
@@petesmith7106 well said.
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I feel like the R1 should be called the R3 II
You, me and basically everyone else 😂
Agreed, I would have kept that 1 moniker for a beastly master of all trades that we’ve all been dreaming of.
Oh yes! And overpriced too. Those 24MP are pathetic
@@jan_wegener Actually the R1 is the R1 mark II, because the R3 should've been the OG R1
The only reason why there was an r3 in the first place was so they could rebrand their flagship twice and charge more.
Canon R1 is for News Services and Sports Photographers. R5II for everything else. Cheers!
Great content, planning to order the R5ii later this year.
Love the channel; Thanks for all the info
For my video needs, the R5 ii is absolutely perfect
- 8k, 6k60, 4k120
- backup vidéo on both slots
- pre-recording
- C-Log 2
And which of these did the r5 mark 1 not do? Ok. 6k n that’s it. But it shit 8k so who cares.
@@justonbrazda3846 it was never so easy to keep a R5 MK I for many years to come
Can you write 8k to the SD?
@@justonbrazda3846 pre-recording alone is game-changing, you don't need to buy an atomos Ninja, hard drives, battery.
@@jan_wegener I don't know yet, it's a french TH-camr (Damien bernal) who said backup recording was possible but it wasn't a full review, just hands-on. I hope so, because backup recording isn't available with Nikon.
I have used the Canon 1 Dx Mark II for all photos/videos of my Macaw family shared both on Facebook and TH-cam since 2016. After watching your experience with the Canon R3, I rented one for a week. The eye tracking autofocus and 4K video on the R3 is so good, I bought the R3 and also purchased your very helpful R3 setup .pdf. I love the large and heavy body of the 1 Dx, but the R3 actually feels better. The R3 uses the same battery as the 1 Dx, and the lens adapter allows me to use all of my EF lenses with the R3. I do not need the extra speed of the Ri, so have no reason to buy one. My only complaint with the R3 are the flash card setup; having two CFExpress slots like the R1 would make the R3 a 'perfect' camera for my needs. Great video, thanks for sharing your experiences and helping me decide to purchase the Canon R3!
Just waiting for r7 mark ii 🔥
That might be a good option, but again the improvements that come with it must make it worthwhile.
@@janpieters9840 exactly 🔥a beast camera for wildlife photography
100% !!! Also, I'm glad to see so many likes to your reply :) Canon, do you hear us screaming ?!?!
From what in can tell, Canon has listened to feedback on the R5 and this looks to be a decent upgrade. Hope the R7 ii gets the same treatment. More speed, better af (would love eye control lol even v1), stacked sensor, higher bitrate and probably a faster card type (although I would be annoyed if I were in need of redundancy). I need a battery grip too along with fixing all the beta firmware such as pre capture. Add in the Ai upscale too. I might have got carried away and Canon will charge £2k. Although I think Canon underestimated the R7 user who used one of the previous 90d/7d line bodies and had high expectations. All my opinion.
An R7 Mk II has to be on par with at least the R6 Mk II. I'm sure many seruous R7 users would gladly take on the additional cost if the end product is worth it.
Hi Jan, Great video with some exciting new features. Im waiting until next year before I do anything with changing cameras. Maybe by then the R5 MkII might be on sale !
I have already ordered a R5 II. The heat must be improved for 2 reasons: the basic body has vents and if that still is insufficient, buy the fanned grip. I also love face registration. Few reviewers mention this.
I was gonna get the fan grip but it has no buttons, so I went original for now. I hope overheating is much improved
Thanks for the insights Jan. I'll probably end up purchasing the R5 MK II eventually, but when I factor in all the extra costs of battery grip, batteries, cards etc, I'm having trouble justifying the expenditure at this stage. In the main, I'm really achieving the results that I currently need with my current R5 and R7.
I'm delaying my final decision until I've read a few more reviews as they come out. Am particularly interested in how effective the BSI sensor is in reducing rolling shutter in stills. Hopefully, Canon will publish a manual soon that I can have a look at as well.
I'll just keep using this old dusty R5mk1 it performs well for me - all I do is Wildlife with some video - nothing I heard here makes me want to spend another 4300 for my hobby - I'd rather save that towards something like a 400 2.8 lens.
@@TheWildlifeGallery388 a trade in greatly decreases the price. For wildlife photography the improvements in eye recognition and tracking, r the main reasons I have traded my R5 I and ordered an R5 II.
I'm in on the R5II, mainly for the improved AF--that's really my main frustration with my R5, especially compared to the R7 and R6II. My aging eyes will also welcome the larger and brighter EVF! For me the rest is bonus, or interesting to try out--eye-control AF, stacked sensor, 14-bit in electronic shutter (which is what I usually use when shooting wildlife), improved IBIS, and a (hopefully) usable pre-capture mode. I presume it will also remove the R5's electronic shutter mode quirks like no bracketing and 0.5-second maximum exposure. I'm excited to get my hands on it!
Are saying your R5 AF doesn't perform as well as the R7? I had heard the opposite. I assumed that it was because the R5 had a faster processor? I only have the R7 and find it amazing "mostly". But it does often show me eye lock when I know it isn't. Having said that the AF has allowed me to captur so many shots I wouldn't otherwise have got.
@@adrianduncan8355 The R5 is 2 years older than the R7, so its AF isn't quite as up to speed technologically. That's not to say it's bad, of course! I have found the R5 does better than the R7 in low light, but for subjects that are smaller, moving, or partly obscured by foliage, the R7 is better at finding and keeping a lock on the subject. The R6 Mark II has been Canon's gold standard for AF since it was released, so if the R5II is even beyond that, I expect to be very happy!
I have the r7 and then R5. The R7 has a more advanced AF system, more flexible too. But when the metal hits the road, I’d rather have the R5 because the R7 will miss. It may show it is locked onto an eye, but when you get the photo it is not in focus. Also, the R7 has too much shutter slap so the MS is out. The FCES is better, but it still shows a lot of shake in the VF when shooting. The ES has such bad rolling shutter than many flying shots are unusable (for me, anyway). But for stills, or perched birds, the R7 is great on a fast lens. It gives very detailed images and the 1.6x crop factor means you get a lot of pixels on the subject. So, that is how I use my R7. Perched birds. I do get some decent shots of flying birds sometimes, too, but that is a lot more risky. The R5 gives me many more shots I can use, but anything flying in front of a fence or building on the R5 is ruined, due to rolling shutter. So, hopefully, the R5M2 is going to solve that problem. that is the first thing I will test on it, and if it is not up to snuff, it is going back.
The R7 is a turd...lol!
@@RogerZoul Is risking ruined shots because of rolling shutter on birds in flight still better than just running mechanical shutter? Obviously less fps, but no worries about rolling shutter. 12fps is still quite a bump up from a 7D2 or 90D for a first mirrorless camera. Seems like they should have just left off electronic shutter on the R7 it's so bad. They need to fix the wandering focus on the R7 for sure, lots and lots of complaining about that, and rightfully so.
I like the fact that they didn't change many buttons and kept the same layout. It will make it easier to use my new R5 MK II and my existing R5 together.
I reckon I will be getting the R5 mkII. I think it will shoot me perfectly. I got my hands on a prerelease model at a local CameraHouse and it felt good in my hands. The buttons fitted nicely under my fingers, the viewfinder was great, and the diopter adjustment was great. I can remove my glasses, which I could not do with my EOS 6D mk2. The body weight felt good and balanced. As usual I found the menu structure easy to use. Overall, I love this new model. Now to work out what I need with the body.
Thanks for the first look! I'm still not entirely convinced by the R5II (the R1 is a crying shame als a flagship in my opinion), but what could defiintely influence my decision is how the R5II performs in low light versus the R5. Could you perhaps do a side by side comparison with the R5 in a future video once you have the R5II available for yourself? I'd especially be interested how the higher ISO-numbers (from 6400 up to 25.600) compare with each other since there is a limit to what DxO can solve when it comes to details in regard to the R5. I'd also be curious how much more shots can be taken on average with an R5 with the new battery compared to the old R5 battery. Looking forward to future videos!
curious what makes R1 a 'crying shame' for thier flagship body to you?
Simple: 24 MP. Fine to prioritize speed over MP, but don't say it's the best camera you've got with an accompanying price. It is simply too little for this day and age, especially since there is already an R3 which is way too similar to this camera.
@@naturebylennart ah. well, it's the best camera they have for everyone in the sports/journalism is prob whats going unsaid here. but not a surprise either though right? not sure they've ever produced flagship with *lot of MP. end of the day, everyone has different MP needs; for me, 20 is plently for i just prefer the better low light performance and rarely do any major cropping. in the instance i do need some resolution, the LR SuperRes works just fine, and get to keep my workflow & and manage 1/2 the data. but, I also overly-prioritize my lens budget over bodies to make sure i'm getting it right in-camera.
but, it's also hard to be overly critical of a camera that isn't for sale yet, too.
I want 45 mp R1s with GPS 15 fps RAW or more and no bending sensor.
I’m still rocking my 5Dmk4 and hoping to snag a used R3 now!
I do birding with the mk4 and a 100-400mm and love the 30mp. Perfect balance between image quality, cropping and file workflow.
Aside from birding my business relies on dogs and sports so the R5 readout speed is a dealbreaker. I think my first mirrorless will now be a used R3. 24mp is fine.
Thank you, Jan. From what I've seen in a menu display, you can't select how many frames you want per second (up to 30 in burst mode). I expect the same speed will be used for the 0.5 sec. pre-shoot mode, Isn't it? By default it would be 15.
Jan! This is the day we have been waiting for! Great informative video! Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for your insight Jan. Looking forward to the new content with the R5 Mark II.
Not sure I get all the drama around the R1. It's pretty much exactly the camera that everybody should have expected and of course it's similar to the R3. That was the point of the R3. Canon needed to put out a pro mirror-less body as a test bed for new tech but wasn't confident that it could best the 1DX Mark III they had just released. Also, they couldn't afford to disrespect IDX3 users by immediately releasing a replacement flagship.
So, they release an R"3", get a few years of experience to work out the bugs and now they are confident enough to release a updated version that they can confidently label an R1 and call it their flagship. No conspiracy. No hidden agenda. No drama. Just normal business practices. It's not a perfect camera for my purposes but I'm not the target market.
I really appreciated your review of the R5ii. However, I'm having trouble when switching to video mode-my shutter button isn't responding. I suspect I'm missing something in the settings. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
I'd like to know if the R5II still doesn't have enough buffer for high-speed continuous shooting.
Thanks Jan and looking forward to your thoughts when you get your canon R5mark II and I have preordered mine, cant wait!
I guess that the new R5ii BSI sensor will increase the dynamic range and lower noise at higher iso. So that's some significant improvement.
Also, the stacked sensor's quicker data reads will improve AF to some extent.
The BSI's light gathering efficiency paired with the stacked sensor read speeds may significantly improve low light AF. It may bring the RF800 f/11 and RF600 f/11 up to full-frame AF instead of the limited AF box area.
The hot-shoe is now updated too. A wireless microphone is now an option.
However, $4,400 is a hard pill to swallow for these conveniences.
If Canon added a full-size USB port, dual CF express card slots, an option to order the R5 in a configuration without the low-pass filter (e.g. R5ii-r & R5ii-rs) and a tilt-swing-swivel back panel, I would be gobsmacked.
But if people already are happy with the R5i, then the $4,400 savings will buy a lot of R-lenses.
Tough call here.
Great video again, Jan.
Although I'm still very happy with my R5, it looks like the R5 II has ticked all the wishlist boxes after all and adds features on top, only a few had on their screen. It might be worth upgrading, if someone can reliably produce photos with it, that were not possible before. My hopes are pinned on the autofocus, pre-burst and the promised dynamic range. But if someone is just starting out in serious bird and wildlife photography, I don't see why they should choose an R5II (with some expensive 400, 600, 800 big white lens) over a combination like a Z8 with a 600 PF which is more affordable and delivers the same, perhaps more. Hopefully the following tests will show. An R1 has apparently been developed for a limited clientele and is unlikely to find a buyer among nature photographers, unlike the Z9.
Many thanks, Jan!
I'd be glad to see in the future how much this new sensor of the R5 II eliminates rolling shutter when compared to the R5 I. The need for new batteries for features like pre-capture is disappointing. Also, it would be nice to see a direct comparison of AF improvements in the field. Canon marketing emphasizes the new AF features for sports, but I haven't seen any related to wildlife so far.
Cheers!
I’ll be looking into these features for sure
I looked online and couldn't find the answer. Does the new R5MkII have Fv mode? For me it's better than Manual mode and it's the only mode I shoot in.
Thanks for the insights! When doing AF tests please add a scenario when the bird head is down, like below the body level. Shooting with R5 I noticed that the AF presumes that the head of the bird is usually highier than the body and in many circumstances it tries to find the eye by looking at the the highier part of the bird body, regardless of the fact that the eye it was tracking is still perfectly visible, but the head is somewhere down there... This frustrated me a lot... Many thanks
May I ask you one question as you are primarily a Canon user why they did not gave the pre release R5mkii and R1 for testing ?You did phenomenal job with Z6iii and z8 reviews from Nikon .Is it some kind of policy by canon as you also do video s for Sony and Nikon ?
Thanks Jan for the update Looks like in the UK R5 Markii will be $5861😧 think i will stick with the R5 for now.
Already Preordered R5 mark II wil tough keep my R6 Mark II
Hi Jan! Any idea what is the slowest shutter speed in R5II with electronic shutter? Still half a second, as it was in R5, or did they get rid of that limitation? As someone who shoots many looong timelapses, 14-bit color for electronic shutter would be excellent, if only not that 0.5 sec limit...
May well go for it - I shoot mostly landscape plus some wildlife, no video. Think the faster fps, less rolling shutter issues, better low light performance and far better auto focus sells it to me for wildlife over the R5
Pre ordered the R5II 🎉
a fool parts with their money...
@davepastern you ordered?
@@marcel9568 hell no
I have not used my R5 as much since getting the R7 at launch...so for me I'll be more excited about the R7 Mark II.
just went to your link for the R5-ii. I saw Duane on a live broadcast as well. AF in low light, better cooling, and stacked sensor were enough. They aren't giving it away but there are improvements.
Thank you for the video, very interesting! Do you know if there is still a 30 min recording limit?
I would be shocked if there was
Two advantages I see over my Nikons is pre-capture in RAW; and I saw that Ted Forbes programmed the subject detection to a function button. I would love to be able to switch from animal to bird detection and back without having to go into the menu. The downside to the Canon might be the buffer. One wedding shooter loved that the Z6iii could switch from stills to video instantly without a delay while the buffer empties.
Glad you are on the case! R5 II, battery grip, and four of the new batteries preordered.
Trying my best, even though I was left out this time around 😅
I preordered the R5II, but there are 2 things, I haven't seen anywhere yet: is the new battery powerful enough that the R5II can use both autofocus motors of the RF600f4 and is there a burst mode aside from pre-capture? Great that it seems to be 14 bit in electronic shutter mode. As for the R1, I would be shocked if you would not buy it eventually. 🙂
I have an R3 and I use it as a video camera exclusively, so not sure I need another one of those haha.
The battery cannot power the second motors afaik
So should I get r5Mark ii or r3 🤔
I have a question about why have a video and photo switch? Why not two different buttons without changing? Example while recording a video you will also be able to use the Shutter Release Button to take photos at the same time. I know you can get individual pics from video but I would like to see this feature implemented. Cheers!
8000 euros for the R1 in Ireland, it's a sports photography camera. No way I will be buying it. The R5ii is an improvement but still very expensive for any enthusiast wildlife photographer who are left with the R7 which is a good camera but with plenty of flaws like poor high iso performance, an average autofocos system and with lots of rolling shutter. So the R7ii is what I am waiting for that improves on those issues.
Finally a stacked sensor with 45 mp. Prebuffer in raw and not only in jpeg like Z8. The top for its category, I like this R5 II. Hope that readout is 1/160 and not less.
How do you calculate the read out, and in what specificaly can help you at those electronic shutter?
@@pentagramyt417 a fast read out help to limitate the risk of rolling shutter
If you were starting out fresh which do you think would be the better choice, the R5ii or the Nikon Z8?
Depends on the lenses I am planning to get. The R5 II will likely have better AF and much higher fps with working pre shooting and the Z8 a better buffer design and some video advantages
Still would love to see a higher Megapixel Version of the R5. Something like a "R5II S" for Landscape with less Video functionality or FPS. I also think that they simply needed something AI for the presentation. Both the Upscaling and Noise Reduction within the Body simply doesn´t make any sense to me when the result is a JPEG. Also not a big Fan of the again new type of battery to get the full functionality of the camera. I think they made too much compromises to fit in the 8K video stuff in the R5 II like Vent Holes or the new grip without additional buttons.... Would love to see a separation in the future like the R5/R5 C.
So overall more or less a bit dissapointed this time and will stick to my R5 or switch system
Thank you Jan, great video, like always! R5II will be the hit, that's for sure.
Amazing camera, both R1 and R5ii, BUT I think if you have an R3, you don't need to update to R1, if you have an R5 you don't need to upgrade to an R5ii. "Unfortunately" the R1 should had have more features from the R5ii. Im happy with my R5 and will probably get another R5 (a used one) as second body and spend other money on glas or trips!
The thing I want to know is does it sync a flash with focus bracketing like many of the OM cameras do, extremely useful for macro.
@@rayzalaf8988 what macro lens are you using ? I rented the Canon 100 F2.8 Macro, and loved it 🙂 I actually used a continuous light source, and did some focus stacking of like 60 to 200 frames. Worked pretty well. I’d sure like to own that lens !
@@Chris_Wolfgram I've got the RF 100 2.8 and a Sigma EF 180mm 2.8, when I changed to mirrorless the Sigma is the only EF lens I kept I absolutely love it gives that extra bit of reach when taking insect shots, downside it's quite a heavy lump and I always use it with a monopod, if you can find one👍 buy it.
The R5 II is an exciting new camera. Thanks for the 'pre-capture' review ! I need your inputs on a new monitor I intend to buy. Do you think that a curved monitor would be good to use with lightroom in photo mode ? Should I stay with a flat screen ? Please let me know. Thanks !
Never used a curved monitor myself so can’t say
When the first speculative specifications for the R1 were indicating a very high Megapixel count, that made a good deal of sense, given the competition of the A1and the Z9, both of which are high megapixel flagships. At that point, I figured that a camera like this one would come out later, as the R3 Mark II. Even when the speculations switched to a 30 or 30+ mega-pixel camera, I still thought there was room for an R3 II, possibly with a global shutter to compete with the A9III. But this camera would seem to quash any chance of an R3II. The R3 appears to be a one-off technology prototype for the R1, the same way the film EOS 3 tested tech for the EOS 1 series. So the 45 point AF system ended up in the 1V (and would survive into the digital world with the 1D and 1DS series), while the eye-controlled AF reached a dead-end, not to be resurrected (in a much improved form) with the R3.
As for me, cameras in this price-range are outside of my reach. That being said, I think that Canon is communicating to its professional sports photographers and that might be leading to a certain conservatism, in terms of resolution, with high speed shooting and small file size (for rapid uploading to a news service) taking precedence. It's also why the 1DX series was limited to 20MP and why they stuck to a DSLR in 2020 for the 1DX Mark III. Pure speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable.
Canon seems to be trying to do two things simultaneously by announcing the R1 and the R5 Mark II at the same time. Satisfying their pro sports photographers with the R1, while providing the R5 Mark II to those who want both high resolution AND high performance. Only time will tell if this gamble pays off, but it seems to be a reasonable attempt to satisfy two disparate groups of photographers/videographers.
I think you are exactly right. We may see the R3 come back as a test bed for some new tech or maybe it stays in the line as an affordable non-flagship PJ cam. Personally I'd love to see them port the R52 sensor to that body and sell it for $5300. Wishful thinking on my part I expect.
@@BW_Maher Yeah, I kind of expected the opposite before things gelled around the R1 with a 24MP sensor. I thought that the R1 would be a very high-performance but also high resolution body (45-60MP), with a 24-30MP R3 Mark II, perhaps with a global shutter. This would have given them a counter to both the A1 and the A9 Mark III. I clearly couldn't have been more wrong. LOL
@@jeffgaboury3157 I hear ya. Not easy being a Canon user. They do have a way of getting under your skin. I'm pretty happy with my R5 so although I might like to upgrade I don't feel like I have to. Jan seems a little ticked. Hopefully the R5II will work out for him.
@@BW_Maher I think it will work out. It looks like an amazing camera. Although I'm excited to see the two new cameras, both are out of my league $$'s wise, as was the original R5 and the R6 series.
That's why I was so excited when the R8 came out, with the same focus system and sensor as the then brand new R6 Mark II. I'm loving my R8! My biggest excitement with the R1 and the R5II is to anticipate which technologies might trickle down to an R7II, which would be more in my budget. 😃
How about trying the new R5ii with a power bank? The old camera didnt want to work well once the batteries fell to around 50% so maybe if you use a powerbank with the new model you wont need to shell out loads of money for new batteries... Just a question that you may want to put out to your friends with the camera to test out for us all
I eagerly await your review from field testing Jan! I also heard it has an upscaling feature. Is that useful for some bird shots?
Jpeg only
Hey Jan, 2 Fragen zu R5mk2
1. Hat man jetzt auch die Möglichkeit ein leises Auslösegeräusch mit elektronischen Verschluss einzustellen? Bislang leider nur geräuschlos bei der R5
2. Hat man nun einen blackout freien Sucher? Gerade bei Mitziehern eine sehr unschöne Sache leider...
Preburst ist für mich eher mager...10-15Bilder maximal....naja...
Gruß
Michael
beides ja soweit ich weiss
Thanks, I just ordered the Z8.
Haha 😆
Good choice, I love mine. Amazing camera.
although it seems an incremental update, have pre ordered the r5II...those spotted pardalote's won't stand a chance....
I am excited to see the field tests of the Canon R1 and RII, and I look forward to hearing your feedback on these new devices. Thank you for the presentation video! I also heard that Lightroom will integrate the DPP4 plugin, but this needs to be confirmed. Greetings from Switzerland.
Jan, will your Wise mark 11 - 2 TB memory card work with the Canon r5 mark 2 camera?
I believe so
The features of my R7 and R8 still measure up well and I enjoy the savings and the images I get.
Jan, is the precapture on the R5II in RAW? DPReview's article lists the precapture as JPEG only?
It is
@@jan_wegener Thanks. I've now found that confirmed in a few other articles/videos so DPReview must just be a typo on their spec list.
I was looking forward to the pre-capture BUT if having it on means that every time I press the shutter I take 20 images then it becomes almost unworkable. Getting home with a few thousand images to trawl through after every outing is not fun.
@@TessaMurray-r8e this
it does pre-capture images and saves it or just buffer the images and when you take off finger, it doesn't save the images (like OM-1)?
@@pentagramyt417 to my understanding it immediately saves the pictures everytime you half press the shutter button
@@bamhamer Then it's worse for sure! OM-1 and A9III cancel the buffor, when you take off the finger. Only saves if you push it to take the photo. Seem Canon struggles as Panasonic..
That dynamic range is super interesting; there must be a catch though... 16 stops is insane!
R5ii sounds like it'd tick all the right boxes for me, expect that the price is about $500 AUD higher than what I was hoping for ($6449 + cost of battery grip and batteries). One of my most important considerations would be is how much the rolling shutter has been improved when using electronic shutter for stills over my current R5. What do you think Jan?
The old R5 launched at 6899, and I have seen deals already well below that, so in a way it’s actually a lot cheaper than I thought it would be
It will be interesting to see how many Canon sports photographers in a years time are using the R1 and how many are using the R5MKII . I know lots os Sony shooters stuck with the A1 as they had got used to the high MP and did not want to drop down to the A9MKIII.
I agree with some other comments... the R1 should have been the R3 Mark II. The R1 should have been at least 60MP.
The R5 Mark II is a nice, but not huge update to the R5. Canon did a good job refining the R5 II, compared to the original. They also are charging $400 US more for it, than they did for the R5 at its introduction... $4299 versus $3899. A ten percent increase.
As I understand it, with uncompressed RAW you will only get about 3 seconds shooting with the electronic shutter at 30 fps. Reportedly using the pre-shoot feature will also cause the camera to hit the buffer wall even faster... the bottleneck being the SD memory card (if recording RAW to both cards). Maybe Canon should have put two CFExpress card slots in the R5 II, like they did the R1 and R3.
I will be waiting for the R7 Mark II and am hoping Canon will give it more "normal" control layout (same as the R5 II, etc.) and make it compatible with the battery grips those cameras use. They also need to improve readout speed (reduce rolling shutter) and upgrade the AF.
If Canon does right by the R7 II, they will be able to charge more for it. Remember, the R7 was introduced at a price $400 US *less* than the 7D Mark II... which sold like mad! I'm convinced buyers would pay more... but only if they get a more pro-orented APS-C camera in the R7 Mark II. A truly pro quality Canpn APS-C camera would be an exclusive among the "big three"... leapfrogging their competition (much as Nikon did with their D200, which led to their D300 & D500)
The Nikon D3X is 24.4-megapixel professional-grade full-frame digital camera announced by the Nikon Corporation on 1 December 2008.
And you wanna buy that and get better autofocus and 6k video ??
@@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision... Oh please go buy a R1 ,,,,lol
@@redauwg911 I don't need the R1. R5 is fine for me and so is the r6 with 20mp.
I would have preferred it if Canon left out the "upscaling Jpeg" & "Eye control autofocus" gimmicks and put 2 x CF express Type-B card slots in with simultaneous back up for both photos and video. That would have been useful!
I think sports professionals will buy the R1 and perhaps Canon is targeting just them. The rest of us, will sway toward the R5 II (for Canon shooters) and Sony/Nikon for the rest. As a Z8 owner, I'm still very happy with how the camera holds up when compared to rivals in terms of features vs price. If I had to pick a feature from the new Canons (from what I've seen), it would be the AF AI. Nikon gave us some great firmware updates with new features, so maybe they'll give us something similar in the future ;)
R1 is a head scratcher when we have the R3. They fill the same niche.
Shame about the pre capture, had hoped for more improvements to this feature.
Looks like a great camera for a premium price anyway. I wonder if it can focus stack with flash? This feature alone would make it a beast of a macro camera. Havent heard anything about it though so I dont have high hopes.
Still no built in GPS, which is surprising. Is there any haptic feedback option when using the electronic shutter, to keep track of how many frames are being taken? It would have been nice to have a screen which tilts upwards without being folded out, which is less than ideal for still photography.
Do you happen to know if the R5 Mark II has a proximity sensor (for the EVF) that works like the R3, where it isn't constantly coming on every time something brushes past it, like the R5 and R6 does?
I was a little surprised / bummed that "with a stacked sensor" their would be any rolling shutter at all ? I guess some of folks I've heard from about this were wrong to say, a stacked sensor would completely eliminate this. Also, I guess that means, we can't completely throw out that old, archaic Mechanical shutter just yet :( I'd still likely use the Electronic Shutter mode, provided you can now add some sound to it. Didn't hear you mention this, but I'd have to assume... The original R5 freaking killed me with that. If I were looking for a new FF body, and had an extra $5K laying around, I guess Id have to buy the R5 Mk II, but I'd trade you an R5 Mk II for an R7 Mk II straight across ;) Just SO much more useful for my shooting.
To have no rolling shutter or very little you need it be around 4ms or less.
@jan do you have any preorder links for Australia -- arent you in QLD?
I should get some!
I currently have the R3 and R5 and neither of these new cameras will have me going to the bank any time soon. I was really hoping for more megapixels in the R1 the R5 auto focus is a mile behind the R3 for birds so perhaps I'll wait to see some more reviews on the R5 Mk II to see how much that has improved.
I’ve order the R5mkii now to wait when it is in the store😊
The R1 will be a fantastic camera for sports or photojournalists. If I was still shooting sports I would buy one. Canon will sell every one they can make. I wouldn't buy one because it's 24mpx. I've moved on to bigger sensors which is my preference for what I shoot now, which is mostly wildlife. I already have an R5Mk2 on preorder which is a very good upgrade to the original R5.
Jan (and anyone else who can offer their thoughts!) - I have some very old equipment and have decided to get back into photography so am basically starting from scratch on the equipment side. Knowing you haven’t tested the R5M2 yet, would you suggest that (or the R5M1) with the 100-500 or the Z8 with the 180-600. Almost exclusively going to be used for wildlife/birds on hikes. I like the weight/size of the Canon pair but there’s some decent savings on the Nikon and I know how much you enjoyed that after the firmware update recently.
If I was starting out I would definitely go with the Nikon. They listen to the needs of bird/wildlife photographers
@@christophercarlimages9003thank you for your thoughts!
Getting the R5 II for sure as I need one more body. You said it shoots 200 frames or so in cRaw? How about raw?
Canon says 200 raws on the spec sheet but that’s like at iso 100 and a blank image
So a bit less than that, may depend on the cards used too
Thanks for your insights. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Simultaneous Video + Stills feature! Aside from all of the expected performance improvements, that new feature (or is it a mode?) seems to me like it would be the most exciting one for hybrid wildlife shooters. Maybe it’s not 8k/60 CLog3 + full speed 45MP RAW readout, at least we FINALLY have that same feature that iPhones have had for what feels like 10 years. 😊
It’s jpeg only
@@jan_wegener Could save you a lot of time, though, once it has been improved to RAW + 4k/6k! Perhaps that will be coming in the future as they walk up the capabilities of the new X chipset... I think the feature is at least worth a shot to show there’s some uptake.
Thank you Jan for your interesting video, in which you explains some details better than others! First: the Canon R1 was a fantastic camera, but with only 24 MB it has to be compared to the Sony A9III. Second: the Canon R5 Mark II is a big improvement. As you explained it was not perfect and had some limits like the read out speed, the pre capture mode and the buffer.
My thoughts are using a Canon Camera additional to my Nikon Z9? I love my 600 mm PF lens and wait for your full review.
Man i love the 600 pf 😆
I didn’t see any discussion about the autofocus subject detection types. Is there an animal or bird subject recognition with eye detection? Are the CFExpress Type B sockets generation 4?
I see it’s got Ai learning for face detection on humans. Wonder if same function will work on animals and birds as well? If you could check that out for us please Jan!
I’m
Sure there will be similar modes to what’s there now. No cfx 4.0
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Looking forward to your review not sure it's gonna be enough to upgrade my R5s ?? Your review will be key for me 😊
Hopefully soon
i own r5, r5c and r3.. i would love to exchange my r5 for r5ii and r3 for r1 - r5c is still the beast that does the job
Woke up at 3am local time (California) to order the R5 II Looking forward to your in field review!!
Just what I was waiting for. An R6mkII with 45 mp and precapture.
there's pros and cons to this release, but gotta say the EVF and price point of the R1 is extremely attractive to me.
I honestly don't think I'll upgrade from my R5 to the R5 mark II. I bought my camera in a store for $3000 when it came out and I find it difficult to find this latest camera at that price. I value the new camera's AF system, the elimination of 30 minutes of recording, and the pre-shooting. Not many more than that. I miss high resolution photos in raw files.
I am Happy with my canon R5 not any major changes ✌️
Interesting that Canon is bringing back the eye controlled autofocus. They did this on film cameras back in the 90’s and it didn’t work that great back then. Hopefully they’ve further developed and improved it into something useable.
How is Canon allowing a hard buffer and even a slight rolling shutter on the R5ii? That's disappointing to me and a big surprise that both tech issues were not resolved. However, Pre-capture is a big bonus but if it means getting to a hard buffer earlier its a great start but a premature finish. As for the R1. Why have an R1 and R3?
Yes it’s an odd one. It seems like canons buffer issues are somehow systemic. I wonder if it is related to how the read/write works. Not sure, but something is holding them back a lot compared to Sony and Nikon
@@jan_wegener I really want to get some more serious Canon gear but if other manufacturers are better then my Canon loyalty will be truly tested. 🤞
I preordered R5 MK2 but I might cancel it. Honestly it seems Canon is prioritizing Videographers and Journalist’s more than landscape and wildlife photographers.
Why don't you invest into OM-1 and 150-400 ?
Canon has always prioritized sports and photo journalism with nature and wildlife being well down the list.
@@pentagramyt417 I am thinking of moving to Nikon as they at least prioritize Bird and Wildlife photography. Waiting for Jan’s review of R5 Mark II before I take a final call.
@@chetankher Sure, but still there is no answer. It's weather sealed IP53, very lightweight,, with 150-400 you have F4.5 light, you have 50 fps with c-af pre capture. No camera is 100% reliable but no camera in the other hand have so much computational things.
Canon still doesn’t get it on pre capture. Olympus had it figured out in 2013.
This is actually a compelling upgrade for the r5. I'm curious how much the vents built into the body will affect the weather sealing. We need an inclement weather review.
Not at all apparently
It was never good in bad weather to begin with
Does the rear LCD really feature a higher resolution than the R5? I thought both the R5 and R5 MkII feature 2.1M and the same size? At least that's what's stated on Canon"s website.
The R3 was the first camera that could take full advantage of lenses with Dual Power AF: what about the R5 Mark II and R1? I guess both support this too, right?
I don’t think the R5 II does
@@jan_wegener Ach!
I wanted 33mp for R1 but I guess 1DXmk3 users did not. R5mk2 price is reasonable so it will be a popular product.
One feature I like on my R3 is panning assist (available with firmware 1.4.1) So far I don't see panning assist listed for either the R5 II or R1. For me that's a disappointment.