If PGI could implement the ability to switch ammunition types, then regular ACs, LBX ACs, ATMs, SRMs, LRMs would be a lot more flexible. (EDIT: and a lot more interesting) The only downside is, especially for ATMs, you would need to dedicate more tonnage and space to ammunition. Especially ATMs because they have High Explosive Ammunition (With a range similar to SRMs, might be a bit shorter range than SRMs, and doing three damage a missile), Standard Ammunition (which, if I remember correctly, have a range somewhere between MRMs and LRMs and do 2 damage a missile) and Long Range Ammunition (which I think has longer range than an LRM but only does 1 damage a missile). So in order to get the most flexibility out of an ATM launcher, you'd have to dedicate at least 3 tons and slots to ammunition.
Range nodes on the Firepower tree don't increase your minimum range, my german friend. It's the Mech's size that's the issue - you need to fire at about 123 meters, not 120, due to its size.
Building on the range thing: not only do they not increase min range, range nodes are actually really good for ATMs because they increase the max range for each bracket. With full range nodes you can be doing 3 damage per missile around 300m
"What a cluster of. . .clusters." Now, now, Bara, we knew what you were going to say.😁 And as for Ani you had the high ground. Three cheers for your walking delete button.
You can point upwards, armlock, then hold the torso reticle up while locking via the arm reticle. This will make it easier for you to clear the obstacles by making the ATMs go at a slightly higher arc.
The ATMs are located in the side torsos not arms. So it would be point torso upwards while keep arm Tag traced on enemy. With “arm lock” off. You might be thinking of torso lock.
This might be one of the scariest builds I've ever seen you run. Haven't even watched the video entirely yet and I can only imagine the chaos and destruction this mech will dish out.
Can confirm this build still works post patch, you have to play your positioning very carefully and be careful not to overheat yourself. For alpha you're better off chainfiring them quickly to avoid shutdowns. The best matches I have ever run have been with a similar build to this.
Man. Mechassault. I still play that with some of my friends. The alt. Version of the Atlas was the best. The gauss rifles and Hammer missiles were great. The simple days. Now it’s MWO trying to get the next build to work.
Great! I was struggling with the 4 version of the mad cat...(trying lrms or atms 9+mplasers) but didn't work well) Its nice to see them work with your piloting skills 😁 thanks for the video!
I only play mech warrior 5 since my computer couldn’t play MWO when it came out a few years back and i never bothered getting back into it. It’s really neat to see the huge difference between the 2 games. I wish there was the huge variety of mechs and weapons like in MWO but it is still a fun game all around, really nice to play with friends but kind of frustrating that enemy mechs don’t jam their weapons or overheat (without help from a flamer or ppc) the enemies seem way spongy for damage but it could be because the bots “optimize” armor for frontal protection and don’t have to worry about weight limits
ATM Range is 120m - 270m = 3 Dmg per missile. The 180m minimum range you were referring to is for LRMs., ATM is 120m. reference : mwomercs.com/forums/topic/255446-atm-range-brackets/
Just think how deadly overloaded ATM--Dogs are with their decent manueverability and speed. They really rack up the damage if left alone too long. Love ATMs! In battletech, ATMs use separate ammo for the different range brackets though, no? MWO's seem to be some kind of weird multistage missile.
i remember back in the day i had an Annihilator and had somehow managed to gets its alpha strike to rediculous levels and i could fire it three times in succession without overheating and shutting down. Each strike could wipe out even a madcat by hitting its legs. Cant remember which game it was and i also haven't been able to replicate it either.
Best thing with atm carries is backstapping. One time I killed 3 mechs in 10 seconds :D 9.00 it’s the power of massive atms. Shoot some salves and you have 1k damage :D
I am running a similar build to this on the SNV-A. It has a lower max engine whose weight I put into more ammo and JJ and only 13 heatsinks in the engine. I feel the lack of bunny ears gives me some good longevity. And what others have said about how range nodes don't increase minimum range is accurate.
Baradul, why do you have more armor in the right leg than in the left? Also, why would you run this build on a Mad Cat at all when you could run the Blood Asp that has basically the same thing but with ECM and a jump jet? Assuming someone has/can afford the Blood Asp version of this build, I don't understand why one wouldn't use that instead of this.
Bara, about minimum range for atm. ITS ALWAYS 120. ALWAYS. "Its important to note that range skills apply their modifier to all weapon ranges with the exception of the minimum range." (c) Chris Lowrey mwomercs.com/forums/topic/254580-civil-war-gradual-damage-fall-off-weapons/page__fromsearch__1
@@senectarius9685 our faction done this and dual ultra 20s on both super nova and blood asp have an advantage because of the dead zone directly in front of you when running atm, pretty sure Bara has done both because they have weapon bonuses.
I think a mixed ATM/ERPPC build with JJ's will be more effective and versatile. mech.nav-alpha.com/#96835b34_MCII-2 still has a wicked alpha strike that you can truly alpha, and even pop tart dump it.
You're going to do tons of damage but it's a lot of splash damage rather than concentrated damage. Your build can do a lot of damage to a mech without killing it.
Likely around 20m, but honestly i wouldnt suggest a madcat for a new player; stick with a solid medium/heavy like a bushwacker or orion iic or crab. If you really want to try an assault go with a kodiak 3
I actually have been practicing positiioning with um60l xl260 er llaser med laser small laser and flamer with two heavy machine guns. Its pretty fun actually, I can hit at a distance while supporting the big boys and shut down lights who try to be sneaky. All the trial mechs are no fun as they lack decent firepower and didnt spen my cadet bonuses very well when I first played this game a while ago.
Missiles in this game make no sense. After arming, the missiles should do X damage because the explosive payload never changes lol but yeah, if they did make sense, they would be insanely OP
The damage changes because they've rolled three missile types from tabletop that have varying payload sizes into one catch-all missile. There's ER, standard and HE atm missiles and they do 1/2/3 damage respectively and have different ranges. PGI decided to cut out having to carry three different bins of ammo to give more flexibility to the weapon
I hate how those pods count as your side torso when they're clearly OMNIPODS that should be completely separate from the rest of the mech. So dumb and the biggest nerf for clans across the board. Super dumb.
You are so bad with atms ,no corner shots ,you dont launch them in the air .Once you get a lock on you can do whatever you want ,if you look up your missiles will go up instead of flat down . ATM's are missile that you can do so much more than just lock it and release. Lrms used to be like that now they are just dumbed down.Before you had to adjust the distance to compensate for terrain in some maps to hit your target behind cover-not many people did that but ones that knew how to hose down enemy 24/7 and not stand with lrm boats on 1000m away did 1000+ dmg almost every game.
I wouldn't call over a thousand damage and 2 pretty strong wins "bad". But i agree you can do alot more with them if you bank them up when firing. Got to bare in mind though, you can focus the damage alot better if you get a direct horizontal shot. Was that what Bara was doing? no idea, but it's still something to consider.
They mega nerfed the lockon mechanics several patches ago to prevent the exact mechanics you are talking about. unless it changed in the most recent balance pass you haven't been able to do that with ATMs for years
@@Mr.Buttons928 I tried them out shortly after watching this video, you can definitely arc ATMs over by firing them into the air, you have to be quick though to maintain lock on, but it definitely works, and works well. As of today.
Fresh coffee and a really interesting mech on the daily dose... this is going to be a good morning.
Dead zone is 120 meters for ATMs.
Though that´s only for game balance, lorewise they should not have ANY dead zone AT ALL.
so many missed shots cause he was 140 meters
If they had that in game theyd be shredders for sure.
If PGI could implement the ability to switch ammunition types, then regular ACs, LBX ACs, ATMs, SRMs, LRMs would be a lot more flexible. (EDIT: and a lot more interesting)
The only downside is, especially for ATMs, you would need to dedicate more tonnage and space to ammunition.
Especially ATMs because they have High Explosive Ammunition (With a range similar to SRMs, might be a bit shorter range than SRMs, and doing three damage a missile), Standard Ammunition (which, if I remember correctly, have a range somewhere between MRMs and LRMs and do 2 damage a missile) and Long Range Ammunition (which I think has longer range than an LRM but only does 1 damage a missile).
So in order to get the most flexibility out of an ATM launcher, you'd have to dedicate at least 3 tons and slots to ammunition.
@@jimnpen8451 But IS MRMs are total fine, two MRM 40 from 0 meter from any heavy IS mechs is totaly balanced but clan ATMs not, sure.
I wouldnt even consider myself a noob at this game so I have no idea about that.
But it makes sense to me.
Dude it's 3am where I live and I just noticed I have been watching your channel for 7 hours today ALONE. What is quarantine lol
Range nodes on the Firepower tree don't increase your minimum range, my german friend. It's the Mech's size that's the issue - you need to fire at about 123 meters, not 120, due to its size.
Building on the range thing: not only do they not increase min range, range nodes are actually really good for ATMs because they increase the max range for each bracket. With full range nodes you can be doing 3 damage per missile around 300m
"I love the smell of Baradul's Daily Dose of ATM aggression, in the morning!" -Me. Both games, you and your team just bloodlusted and went hunting!
"....of course its a bit splashy, but you do it again and you have a dead mech."
Oh Baradul, you are a joy to watch. xD
Mechwarrior and a Mad Cat. Name a more iconic duo.
Priest Bara : By the Holy spirit of the Clan ATM I bless you.
Ennemies: BAKOOOOOOM
When you kept calling the Annihilator "Annie" I thought you were going to say "Annie are you OK?"
He's done it before. Was expecting it too.
"What a cluster of. . .clusters."
Now, now, Bara, we knew what you were going to say.😁
And as for Ani you had the high ground. Three cheers for your walking delete button.
You can point upwards, armlock, then hold the torso reticle up while locking via the arm reticle. This will make it easier for you to clear the obstacles by making the ATMs go at a slightly higher arc.
Oooh good tip
The ATMs are located in the side torsos not arms. So it would be point torso upwards while keep arm Tag traced on enemy. With “arm lock” off. You might be thinking of torso lock.
This might be one of the scariest builds I've ever seen you run. Haven't even watched the video entirely yet and I can only imagine the chaos and destruction this mech will dish out.
Bara didn't have to wait long, both games the opfor came to him. Easy money.
Blood asp will do this too
Can confirm this build still works post patch, you have to play your positioning very carefully and be careful not to overheat yourself. For alpha you're better off chainfiring them quickly to avoid shutdowns. The best matches I have ever run have been with a similar build to this.
Yes! Madcat was my favorite mech back in mech assault on Xbox! The premier heavy mech in that game. It could out brawl anything with those PPC's 👍
Man. Mechassault. I still play that with some of my friends. The alt. Version of the Atlas was the best. The gauss rifles and Hammer missiles were great. The simple days. Now it’s MWO trying to get the next build to work.
@@Michael-ek2eb Lucky! I wish I still had it. Loved the arcade-like feel. And you're not lying. Those were the good times. 😎👍
Great! I was struggling with the 4 version of the mad cat...(trying lrms or atms 9+mplasers) but didn't work well) Its nice to see them work with your piloting skills 😁 thanks for the video!
As someone that runs 3 ATM12s on the Vapor Eagle... This build scares me.
You can do this build on the blood asp.....and get a bunch of MPL's to boot
"I fear no mech... but that... thing... it scares me"
I only play mech warrior 5 since my computer couldn’t play MWO when it came out a few years back and i never bothered getting back into it. It’s really neat to see the huge difference between the 2 games. I wish there was the huge variety of mechs and weapons like in MWO but it is still a fun game all around, really nice to play with friends but kind of frustrating that enemy mechs don’t jam their weapons or overheat (without help from a flamer or ppc) the enemies seem way spongy for damage but it could be because the bots “optimize” armor for frontal protection and don’t have to worry about weight limits
All those deadfire missiles at optimal range without locks took their toll on the opponents!
Such a beautiful death machine! The madcat was what got me into Mechwarrior. Great video
That second game would have been a lot better if those 3 Assaults hadn't spent the entire match at E3 chasing a squirrel.
Was looking for a missile build for a MadCat and Baradul like always comes tbrough.
Miss your daily dose of mwo content.
You maniac, you've done it.....you've embraced the ATM side....
ATM Range is 120m - 270m = 3 Dmg per missile.
The 180m minimum range you were referring to is for LRMs., ATM is 120m.
reference :
mwomercs.com/forums/topic/255446-atm-range-brackets/
No one:
Baradul: "HO-LY MACARONI!"
Is that ANOTHER Alien Antfarm reference?!?
Also, you killed Brios!! :o
Just think how deadly overloaded ATM--Dogs are with their decent manueverability and speed. They really rack up the damage if left alone too long. Love ATMs!
In battletech, ATMs use separate ammo for the different range brackets though, no? MWO's seem to be some kind of weird multistage missile.
i remember back in the day i had an Annihilator and had somehow managed to gets its alpha strike to rediculous levels and i could fire it three times in succession without overheating and shutting down. Each strike could wipe out even a madcat by hitting its legs. Cant remember which game it was and i also haven't been able to replicate it either.
I miss these so much.
130 meters, bara XD and 144 damage on the missiles.
Yeah, bara and maths don't mix well.
Blerp!
Best thing with atm carries is backstapping. One time I killed 3 mechs in 10 seconds :D
9.00 it’s the power of massive atms. Shoot some salves and you have 1k damage :D
I am running a similar build to this on the SNV-A. It has a lower max engine whose weight I put into more ammo and JJ and only 13 heatsinks in the engine. I feel the lack of bunny ears gives me some good longevity.
And what others have said about how range nodes don't increase minimum range is accurate.
Remoinder to Bara:
ATM min. range = 115m,
not180m
so how often do you play MWO ? you obviously have no idea :p
Great positioning!
Well, I know what the next mech I'm saving up for is. That thing looks horrifying!
Baradul, why do you have more armor in the right leg than in the left? Also, why would you run this build on a Mad Cat at all when you could run the Blood Asp that has basically the same thing but with ECM and a jump jet? Assuming someone has/can afford the Blood Asp version of this build, I don't understand why one wouldn't use that instead of this.
3x48=192?
*Meths*
Jokes aside, i don't even play mwo but greatly enjoy your content! :)
Had to rewatch first round because I felt bara was really disconnected from fight... then realize enemy team didn't have any AMS
ATM min range is 120m not 180m. That's Clan LRM. Also, 4x atm12 can do 144dmg not 192dmg.
Welp. This has been one of my favorite auto-1K dmg builds for the last year. Gonna suck seeing everyone using it now.
Bara, about minimum range for atm. ITS ALWAYS 120. ALWAYS.
"Its important to note that range skills apply their modifier to all weapon ranges with the exception of the minimum range." (c) Chris Lowrey
mwomercs.com/forums/topic/254580-civil-war-gradual-damage-fall-off-weapons/page__fromsearch__1
Very nice fight!
Those ATMs sound scary..
When you think you only did 600 dmg but you touch them all.
Damn, in what server where you playing? Everyone had high ping 14:00
You need something with Jump Jets.
1:20
Last I checked, 48 x 3 = 144. (not 192)
But I guess this newfangled math lets numbers be whatever we want them to so... meh?
Same build with the Blood Asp-B. Same speed, weapons and armor but with ECM.
4x12 = 48 x3= 144+ spl-damage .... roundabout 150 alpha ..
ATM48 madcat vs ATM48 SNV-A, what's your opinion Baradul?
48 atm Blood asp! Because of ecm.
@@senectarius9685 our faction done this and dual ultra 20s on both super nova and blood asp have an advantage because of the dead zone directly in front of you when running atm, pretty sure Bara has done both because they have weapon bonuses.
I think a mixed ATM/ERPPC build with JJ's will be more effective and versatile. mech.nav-alpha.com/#96835b34_MCII-2 still has a wicked alpha strike that you can truly alpha, and even pop tart dump it.
You're going to do tons of damage but it's a lot of splash damage rather than concentrated damage. Your build can do a lot of damage to a mech without killing it.
That first match. How do you do 1,100 damage and not take any components? O.o
The splash is real.
If I were to buy this mech loadout and skill tree, how much would that cost?
Edit: new to the game
Likely around 20m, but honestly i wouldnt suggest a madcat for a new player; stick with a solid medium/heavy like a bushwacker or orion iic or crab. If you really want to try an assault go with a kodiak 3
You have to learn how to position and shoot first, then move on to more advanced missile builds
I actually have been practicing positiioning with um60l xl260 er llaser med laser small laser and flamer with two heavy machine guns. Its pretty fun actually, I can hit at a distance while supporting the big boys and shut down lights who try to be sneaky.
All the trial mechs are no fun as they lack decent firepower and didnt spen my cadet bonuses very well when I first played this game a while ago.
192 damage? 48*3=144. When did they start doing 4 damage each at close range?
Missiles in this game make no sense. After arming, the missiles should do X damage because the explosive payload never changes lol but yeah, if they did make sense, they would be insanely OP
The damage changes because they've rolled three missile types from tabletop that have varying payload sizes into one catch-all missile. There's ER, standard and HE atm missiles and they do 1/2/3 damage respectively and have different ranges. PGI decided to cut out having to carry three different bins of ammo to give more flexibility to the weapon
Bara,PLEASE can you play the mist lynx with 8mg and 4 heavy smalls maybe one more time??would make me so damn happy😃😘🤪!!!! Z3Z3
just pay him to run the build if you want to see it so bad
@@shanongwynne6439 💩😭😭😭You pay,i happy!Hahaha Hehehe
Shooting at walls and 1000+ dmg?! Cheeter :)
192? dear lord it'll chomp thru anything lower than an assault mech
48 * 3 = 144
Yeah he mistakenly *'ed by 4 which is funnily enough what i did on first glance too, not sure why.
Good grief...
Good. Grief. O_o
I hate how those pods count as your side torso when they're clearly OMNIPODS that should be completely separate from the rest of the mech. So dumb and the biggest nerf for clans across the board. Super dumb.
supernova is way better at this build...
Hi.
You are so bad with atms ,no corner shots ,you dont launch them in the air .Once you get a lock on you can do whatever you want ,if you look up your missiles will go up instead of flat down .
ATM's are missile that you can do so much more than just lock it and release.
Lrms used to be like that now they are just dumbed down.Before you had to adjust the distance to compensate for terrain in some maps to hit your target behind cover-not many people did that but ones that knew how to hose down enemy 24/7 and not stand with lrm boats on 1000m away did 1000+ dmg almost every game.
I wouldn't call over a thousand damage and 2 pretty strong wins "bad". But i agree you can do alot more with them if you bank them up when firing. Got to bare in mind though, you can focus the damage alot better if you get a direct horizontal shot. Was that what Bara was doing? no idea, but it's still something to consider.
They mega nerfed the lockon mechanics several patches ago to prevent the exact mechanics you are talking about. unless it changed in the most recent balance pass you haven't been able to do that with ATMs for years
@@Mr.Buttons928 I tried them out shortly after watching this video, you can definitely arc ATMs over by firing them into the air, you have to be quick though to maintain lock on, but it definitely works, and works well. As of today.