@@sherrykfun She did not "loose" custody of her other children, she did the honorable thing by sharing custody with her ex because he was able to provide for them.
The parents are absolutely guilty. There's no way they both can fail multiple lie detector tests without knowing something about this baby's disappearance. I believe one of the parents is covering for the other. And I think they threatened the grandpa in some way to make him go along with their story. In the People Magazine episode regarding Baby DeOrr's disappearance, the grandpa wouldn't make eye contact with the reporter when answering questions about the baby's disappearance, and his body language showed he was uncomfortable (ie looking away from the reporter, fidgeting). I wish there was an update on the human remains the cadaver dogs found earlier this year.
Incorrect and correct. If you look into our understanding of neuroscience, EVERY SINGLE time you 'remember' something, you effectively re-remember it. You store it back in its place with any reinforcements or edits overwriting the previous version. Our memories are incredulously susceptible to error. One must work diligently to maintain firm memories. So, those lies that are being deliberately remembered, are being reinforced and that is why you were correct.
My best friends neice passed suddenly very young (18). Her family remembers every memory about that day and how from what they wore to what they ate and where they were when they found out. It's trauma. I know your mind can protect you in situations but this is not typically one of them unless you witnessed something that traumatized you.
I just seen the episode on the ID Channel covering this case. I can't explain why, but the mom gives me goosebumps watching how she acts on camera. What makes me think she has something to do with is how she won't call her son by his name. She uses the term "Little Man". Like she is making her bond further away by distancing herself from her having a son. It's just Little Man. Plus the granddaddy is being used for his age. They are saying we told grampa to watch the kid but he says otherwise. The parents did it. I'm sorry, but I know it in my gut.
I’ve always thought it was shady that the mother called 911 from the campsite while the dad drive down the road to get a “better” signal. And they were both in the phone with 911 but from different locations. Have all the vehicles (truck, suburban, camper) been searched forensically? Where did he drive to? Has that area been searched? This bugs me.
Makes a lot of sense. He drove down the road looking for DeOrr and called 9/11 after a certain point. If he walked down the road, which is the easiest path, driving would have been the quickest way to catch up. So that's not suspicious to me.
The mother has been a shady character from the start. She’s never acted like a grieving mom, and how could you not remember the details on the day your baby went missing? Acting like being questioned so much is why she changed her memory like it made her forget? And then there’s the matter of both the mother and father could not pass a polygraph! Both failed on knowing what happened to Deorr and where he was. It seems too convenient that Issac a man the parents don’t even know whom they refer to as creepy was invited on this trip ( though the grandfather admitted he didn’t trust him) . It’s like Issac was invited simply so he could be the fall guy , the one they could shift blame to, . And why would anyone in there right mind leave a 2 year toddler with his elderly , sick , Great Grandfather who was on oxygen and could barely move around on his own , especially out in the middle of nowhere on a camping trip ! With danger everywhere . There stories are all different and full of lies. It seems more likely that the baby was never on this trip , that something happened to him beforehand, and he was already disposed of , and this trip was thought up so that they would have a story , to say he went missing while camping , and Issac was ask to go , only to have someone to shift the blame to and take attention off the parents . It would make sense as to why there was never a trace of him found anywhere near the camp site and all those people in town say they never saw him.... And if by some chance baby Deorr was on this trip , it seems more likely his parents done something to him, and maybe that trip to town that she claims they had to go because she started her period , was actually a trip to dispose of there sons body elsewhere before calling to report him missing? We will never know the real truth but I think it’s safe to say that all of the stories they have so far told are all lies...
Ikr!! "His name is Deorr, if you see him or a blonde little boy please 🥺" Nothing like that! She's so guilty, just living life going from man to man camping and getting laid
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Yep which is disgusting . They ask the very ill grandpa to go camping and now blame him for their sons death !!! Bull sh ** the parent's are involved and covering it up . They are guilty of child endangerment at the very Least And the parent's don't want to go to prison .
Anyone with 2 eyes can see Jessica is guilty as sin. Not sure about the father. No one would leave a 2 yr old out in the woods with the old man and his wired friend. I would lock them all up in the same cell till they all explode with the truth because they all know something.
The Mum looked down and shifted her eyes to the right when asked if she knew where or what happened to her Son? in a different video, I remember that much, but the camera was down and to her right and she may have been looking directly into the camera. It is very sad for the little boy. I hope somehow he is safe, but it is not looking that way. Incidentally lots of people go missing in the wilderness - Missing 411 is a very educational video on all the people - little children included that just vanish while with adults and within sight of adults, in parks, woods, camping - always in green areas, when out for the day... just vanish!
As much as I can see why the parents are suspected, what a DUMB reason for the first private detective to be judgemental of Jessica. If she was not able to support her older two children, of course she might agree their father should have custody of them (IF he is a good person and a good father and has the money). This in itself is not "bad parenting", especially if she can see the children when she wants.
Oh please, jessica cared about jessica! She thinks she deserves a good life because men hit on her alot, having children ruins potential hookups with wealthy men.
She’s a POS who has no problem laying on her back but can’t put in the work to be a mother. She only cares about herself and she is brazen to do any interviews lying repeatedly. She is Casey Anthony all over again. She is throwing it in peoples faces that she got away with it and that she’s never going to be charged with her sons death.
Oh my, the mother!!!!!! She went to go fishing (as far as I'm aware that can be hours) and left he two year old, a two year old remember, who would be in at everything, she supposedly leaves him with a man she's never met, who I believe is maybe not of average intelligence (I also believe Isaac is terrified to speak up) and an old man who has an oxygen tube, seriously!!!!!! Nothing was found, none of the lads clothing, no screaming, nothing. She knows exactly where her baby is and I don't think he's necessarily dead
Story about guy at diner staring at her and boy is so stupid. Mom is trying to deflect from herself. She is so guilty and I know they killed that boy and left his body out in the mountains. Animals would eat that little boy in 5 min and those parents knew that would be best way to remove their problem. Dad wanted to get on the road as a truck driver and mom wanted new life with boyfriend. What is wrong with FBI or cops..parents should be arrested. They would be found guilty. Mom reminds me of Kasey anthony, no emotions.
As a parent the first red flag was they went fishing...I'm immediately thinking as a mom, what about your toddler? I never let my little ones out of my sight and if they were left w a sitter I trusted in a safe place with all kinds of instructions. And her first statement wasnt, help, my baby is missing! (Hysterically) it was, my 2 year old son...why would you mention his age first?
So what's with the jacket deorr was supposed to be wearing but was found in their apartment after they were evicted? (She looks incredibly good considering the circumstances.)
Failed polygraph ?? Shame on these investigators for saying that. FYI a polygraph is only 3 questions and not what we see on TV. Any investigator bringing up a failed poly is a failed investigator.
I think he was dead before they went camping and they carried his body up there to dispose of it. I think the 9-1-1 calls and multiple trips were to move his body around.
They had an illegal adoption set up, they.got.paid,they needed a missing child scene set up, poor Isaac was a scapegoat, no one was seen leaving because they left on another route and they gave them time to get away while searching themselves before ringing police,, that's my theory, granddad was in on it,Isaac didn't have a clue, he's clearly slow,also I'd be interested to know did he see the child or only hear them talking about him,that would be my.other theory he never went on the trip, it.was a set up, in some way. At first I really believed the parents until I watched them and listening to them more, I feel they know exactly where the poor little lad is 😟😟
As I understand it, Isaac was by the creek when they came back from town, so he can't say for sure whether Deorr was with the parents when they came back from the store. And for Granddad, he could clearly have been mistaken about when he saw him last....we have only the parent's word that Grandad saw them come back. I don't think that Deorr was with them coming back from the store.
The interview with isaac he says. "Yes i saw the child he was playing by the campfire, he was with his dad " and then it cuts to another scene so we can rule out that "the child never went up to the campsite" if we trust what isaac is saying.
The physic that did the Cult mom case to help find her kids did a reading and she absolutely believes that a bear grabbed him and took him up the hill. Find the bears den and you’ll find bones.
It’s possible. There was a case where a little girl went missing and they later found out that it was wild dogs or wolves. The parents were basically crucified until forensics could prove the truth.
@@heathernikki5734 just because you don't believe in psychics/ mediums does not mean that they aren't real. Many have helped solve cases that have been unsolved for years. Psychics can only see, in this case, what DeOrr Jr could see. They don't get a special camera views. They connect to the missing person/child and try to describe what they are gathering. Also what the psychic sees/ feels has to relate to something they recognise too. I get you're following the case but some of your comments are out of line and should be kept off of someone elses INFORMATIVE information. If you feel they are frauds that's fine, however it could be hope for him to finally rest. Stop putting someone else down because you don't have the brain capacity to understand that there are way more possibilities in the world than we know.
@@stephanim2436 Yes, a lot of screams, clothing (as you wrote 👍) and I heard that the grandmother said that his boots were too large for him...so if dragged/kicking, they would most likely fall off real quick, right? 🤔 I don't live near bears in my country, so just a question: do bears drag away their prey, don't they usually start eating immadetely? Or do they act like mountain lions if humans are close by? 🤔 Anyhow, so, so sad 😭, I believe that little DeOrr was murdered, or wasn't looked after properly, so he had a terrible accident (perhaps drowned?)! 💔😥💔 Or...was he dead already when they got to the camp site 😭 (why drive there very late at night, in complete darkness, with both a sick, old grandfather and a small child)?? 😶 Just some thoughts, with regards from Sweden. 🥀
Also speaking of fish..why did everyone think it was so interesting to see where he caught that fish. That story seems fishy. That little boy never came back with them that day.
Y'know what else just struck me? They never hug and usually both parents cry and plead to "whoever has him" or "anyone with any information". Did these parents do that??
Have we seen a tear shed by the mama or the dad? Not yet and I’ve been watching info about this case for hours now. From the grandmama yes..not from the parents. Just terrible.
I know everyone is different..but people truly grieving a child’s presence looks different. There is a desperation in their cries and pleas. I lost my own daughter who was 18 this November. I’m very familiar. I think the cries of a mother and father with a missing child would be even worse. I know where my daughter is. My despair wondering about a missing child had experienced or was experiencing -that uncertainty over time would kill me.
I think , after théy couldn't find him, when the dad got into his truck to go get a better cell phone signal, the little boy was hiding by the truck and the dad ran him over, and panicked and put him in the truck and disposed of him somewhere. I got this idea from another person's comment when this first happend. Can't remember that person's name.
stephen brown: Doesn’t make any sense. They would have found blood, plus your gonna call 9/11 to try to save him instead of just ditching the body. They wouldn’t of got charged for an accident.
Father took four stops before getting his wife help with her period that started. Any woman would know that wouldn't fly!!!! Mom is a lier. Why don't they charge both parents...they were responsible for child. To go on camp trip they sure wanted to drive back to town a lot. This whole story is full of holes.
When my xhus and our son went camping, I made sure I had my tampons/pads ahead of time along with first aid kit and extra bandaids and Kleenex and toilet paper. So to me, it's a little strange for her to have to go back into town. I understand that I could forget what I needed but that spot is way out in the wilderness.
The mom rushing into town cause her period started, did anyone confirm that. They probably took boy with them to town and on the long drive in, killed him and threw him down some far ravine.
I have to admit that’s the only thing that makes sense. Vernal seems believable IMO. It’s hard to believe two people could be involved in killing their child. But, I agree with you, the only thing that makes sense is Deorr was taken “into town” and hasn’t been seen since.
The only thing that anyone is left with about this case is that the child vanished into thin air. I think the parents would be happy if that was the conclusion.
What if these parents are telling the absolute truth and had nothing to do with little DeOrr's disappearance? Maybe looking at the parents distracted the investigators from what really happened. Neither Jessica or Vernal have 'broken' in all of these years. And Jessica getting married - well, do you think she had a friend left in this world after all of the publicity in this case? Perhaps her new husband believed her and believes in her and she needed that. I don't know but that is what is important to remember - so far no one can prove what happened at all. Tragic. It would be wonderful if little DeOrr showed up one day after seeing all of this on tv and realizes he was abducted. Whoever knows what happened isn't talking.
I was skeptical to believe that she had anything to do with it until I saw this. She knows something, at very least. Looking at her body language, her feet and knees are turned to her left, completely away from the person she’s speaking with. She looks like she’s about ready to run away from that confrontation.
Deorr is nowhere near that campsite. Id search near vernells dads house, where Jessica and vernells lived at the time, grandpa bobs house, Isaac's house and all points and back roads in between. Probably an accident and they buried him somewhere close. The whole camping trip was a rouse
I’m not liking this mother and I’ll tell you why. She psychoanalysed herself in front of the reporter explaining about memory. Is she a memory expert. I understand about trauma….I’ve had enough of it in my life, however, once a person calms down and focuses……the truth just flows out naturally. She’s making excuses for her memory and is portraying herself as an expert on memory. Just listen to her….who does that? I can’t say if she’s involved but I am not liking what comes out of her mouth.
I was looking EVERYWHERE for this comment. Her psychoanalysis and how she uses ti to deflect blame is highly manipulative. I also ask myself if she maybe is a little weird and overly anxious
I remember when little Azaria's parents were also publicly branded guilty and crucified. Years later they were exonerated. Innocent until proven guilty.
At first Kline says that he was fired but quickly catches himself and rolls his eyes then says "he" states he is not going to put his signature on this contract any longer. One doesn't keep signing a contract over and over. Once it's signed you don't need to sign it again. Makes no sense for him to put it that way. Kline was fired. He also never mentioned who "he" is. He is DeOrr Kunz Sr. Dennis Kunz who I am guessing is DeOrr's father is also on the contract. Kline has stated before that a "family member" hired him. Is that a lie, a half truth or is it just Kline's way of not wanted to say that he was fired by the father of the son he was looking for. He also surveilled the man who hired him. At the least I see this as immoral behavior maybe even illegal. Kline took money from a client and used it to build a case against his own client. Also, why did Kline take the money when he knew that he was the second investigator on the case and knowing the circumstances? IMO he thought it would be easy to prove these parents murdered their child and become a hero. Guess it didn't work out so well for him. Six years on and to my knowledge he hasn't given a motive or a scenario as to how the parent or parent's disposed of little DeOrr's body. Lastly did any of these people like Jessica and Issac know that they were being filmed? Seems like you guys are either hiding in a car or behind a tree? If that's what you did fine but it just doesn't seem like they were aware.
Philip Klein has ZERO interest in preserving the rights and dignity of his clients. He openly states he is a fixer. He openly bragged in a Town Hall about Tom Brown, that he will fix things for corrupt officials “it’ll cost you a lot”….”he’ll sit them down” and tell them he’ll “fix things”. Called himself Ray Donovan. He cannot be trusted with anything. He lies. He is completely on the side of corruption and will do anything to protect his gross negligence. People associated with Philip Klein end up dead, too often. He will do anything for attention and he’ll throw anyone under the bus who challenges his lies. I gave this man $20,000 and he used it to revenge on his enemies, investigate me, instead of my missing family member and basically tore my family to shreds. Let me reassure everyone in this thread …… DEORR KUNZ JR IS ALIVE. Philip Klein leaves dead victims in his wake and if anyone in my family is hurt, dies of accident, heart attack, or anything else, PHILIP KLEIN WILL BE IN MY CROSS HAIRS ( euphemism, not an actual threat of harm , Phil). Klein lies, people die. He is a FIXER. Do not hire Klein unless you want your life in shambles. He calls employers. Lies. Lies and more lies. Do not give him one cent. He will tear your loved ones to pieces and lie for corruption. It’s a gross miscarriage of justice that he is allowed to snoop in peoples lives. He is gross. Solicits neighbors. Little bIG man, Philip Klein. Zero morals and ethics is not his strongest characteristic. Where is Deorr, Philip? Wakey Wakey, eggs and bakey……. CLONE MY WINKY…….. literally. Philip Klein is a bad man.
I do not believe that multiple PIs suspecting the parents are both wrong! It's obvious to me that she didn't want kids. They were an inconvenience for her and she found a way to get rid of him.
The truth is simple not complicated,If you are adding unessesary information,you are stalling ...as your mind knows what happened but your mouth is trying not to tell. ('I was at point a the time.. doing so and so,around 2p.m. then I went to point b ,I had not seen my son,my son was gone} this is simple truth.We are not hearing this from momma.
That's not for us. lol So he took 25K and never made a dime. Klein tells the police they should consider charges against the parents? Since when does a PI make those kind of suggestions and what proof does he have? Maybe the parents are guilty but he obviously has nothing against them or they would have been charged by now. The parents raised 25K on a Go Fund Me page and gave it all to this guy and he took the easy way out and quit because according to him they lied to me. I wonder if he used all of the money? If not did he give back any of this money to the parents or anyone for that matter?
One thing is for sure about this case and that is one of those 4 people (well 3 now) knows what happened to him. No animal got the baby, they would found his boots, shredded clothing, and bones scattered...not to mention they would of heard it and/or seen blood. Seems fishy that she gave away two other kids she had from previous marriage...I think that points to her not being a loving mother. They should talk to the former former husband and see if maybe she ever said any whacked out things about getting rid of her children or something while they were married. Hopefully she just gave him away and the little boy is with a good family today, although how good of a family can it be if they are willing to be part of a cover up to get a child, plus how would they enroll a kid into school without his birth certificate. That one guy who was friend of grandfather seems strange, kind of looks like the bridge guy from delphi but I don’t think he could of did this because of the situation. How could he take a child, kill him and hide the body knowing that the family or grandfather wouldn't of looked to see where the child was at as soon as he picks the child up to leave with him. Couldn’t been all 4 together on it, would had to been either the grandfather and friend in on it, or just the friend, or the mom dad grandfather, or just mom and dad, or just mom.
Let’s be real, polygraph tests are so faulty you can’t rely upon them. Too many innocent people have been falsely accused because they failed a polygraph. Not saying they are innocent but the polygraph doesn’t say anything.
Thats right!! And if people think this mom is too calm take a closer look at IDAHO's dirty cops in the Dylan Rounds Case. His mom Candice Cooley was just as put together! Not everyone is a hysterical mess! BTW They did just uncover Dylan Rounds body and convicted someone else- js
AT first I was thinking maybe they didn't have anything to do with it but as time goes on I really don't think that baby was ever there that trip was planned to throw everything off nothing adds up there is something really strange about this mother and father
Before I watched this video my thoughts were that guy Issac was my 1st suspect and she was my 2nd. Other interviews I have seen with her she sounds nervous but not sad about her son. She has 2 other children to a previous marriage. Then she was married to DeOrr now she is again married. Personally I think she is a sociopath. Reflecting back on the interviews with Issac he has stated he wants to remain neutral and he doesn't remember what "really" happened. Could it be a clue that he knows or seen something but didn't say anything because it was the boys mother that picked him up and took him? From everything I've seen and heard the mother is very suspect in this case.
maybe he wound up in the same place as that guy David Pilates that made the movie missing 411 and wrote those books sounds like he disappeared just like a lot of those other people have that nobody can explain what about what about that what about all those people where is there news where's all there stories public stories about how they killed their loved ones that just disappeared in the middle of nowhere
My first assumption is animal predation. Many people underestimate the capabilities of Cougars. A fully grown Puma can carry a 113 kg (250 lbs.) buck up into a tree. A 13 kg (30 lbs) child could potentially be gripped in a Mountain Lion's maw without injuring or maiming the child. This is how they carry their young, and a human child's clothing would quite conveniently mimic the loose fur of a Ghost Cat cub. I understand, in cases of animal predation there is usually signs of struggle such as blood or ripped clothing. It just strikes me that such a small and lightweight target would be more of a special case, and easier than most to snatch and run while leaving little to no trace behind.
@@heathernikki5734 Now I herd psychics get there information through a demon. Don’t hold me to that. But demons can see what happens physically or what is physically said. To me that’s the only way they know anything. It’s a known fact that psychics have helped find bodies and or helped solve crimes. Me I would keep it in Prayer, I would pull on God and not the devil. And I am not calling psychics demons their putting their selves at risk to help. There good people.
@@reneeisrael8192 Then they twist that & say… “Well we can’t see every possible future scenario, only certain probabilities .” Well you ain’t frigging psychic then are you?! They’re admitting it’s only a guessing GAME… I can duplicate their false methods, myself.
Y'all need to call in David paulides hes a former police detective and now is a investigator and the writer of the books missing 411 he would be the best help in this case the only thing these other investigators want to do is put innocent people behind bars and to make this family look like killers it bothers me so bad that all they can do is point fingers at the family. Why dont u ask some of the other familys thats lost kids to what ever is in them woods if they had anything to do with there kids going missing and see what they have to say to u
I hate how she always refer to him as little man
I know not very intimate is it
Agreed. Its very creepy and cold
Mom is very cold. Lost custody of her other 2 children. Guilty.
We call our nephew 'Little Man' and I assure you he is adored. Nothing creepy or cold about calling your child
a "pet name".
@@sherrykfun She did not "loose" custody of her other children, she did the honorable thing by sharing custody with her ex because he was able to provide for them.
mother is guilty..get real
The parents are absolutely guilty. There's no way they both can fail multiple lie detector tests without knowing something about this baby's disappearance. I believe one of the parents is covering for the other. And I think they threatened the grandpa in some way to make him go along with their story. In the People Magazine episode regarding Baby DeOrr's disappearance, the grandpa wouldn't make eye contact with the reporter when answering questions about the baby's disappearance, and his body language showed he was uncomfortable (ie looking away from the reporter, fidgeting). I wish there was an update on the human remains the cadaver dogs found earlier this year.
I have a 4 year old if he was missing i don't care about any aspect of my personal life and I have lots to be embarrassed about, just find my son.
Exactly! Her nails are painted, she's at the campsite announcing it to public hoping to have a good time that's all!
Right that's how I feel
Isn't it said that u don't have to "TRY" and remember the truth. It's the lies u have to keep track of.
Exactly…. Jessica’s wording is always strange… and the “family friend”’s wording is also indicating guilt as well
@@Meangirl22 right
Except trauma affects memory all the time, this is a known fact.
You never forget or mix up the truth. Lies have to be “remembered”
Actually, during a traumatic event its VERY common to not remember details and get them mixed up.
@@kitkatthebobcat6556 Yes, that’s true. But when your story changes almost every time you tell it, it’s suspicious.
That's another reason I don't believe they had any knowledge as to what happened to their child.
Incorrect and correct. If you look into our understanding of neuroscience, EVERY SINGLE time you 'remember' something, you effectively re-remember it. You store it back in its place with any reinforcements or edits overwriting the previous version.
Our memories are incredulously susceptible to error. One must work diligently to maintain firm memories.
So, those lies that are being deliberately remembered, are being reinforced and that is why you were correct.
My best friends neice passed suddenly very young (18). Her family remembers every memory about that day and how from what they wore to what they ate and where they were when they found out. It's trauma. I know your mind can protect you in situations but this is not typically one of them unless you witnessed something that traumatized you.
I just seen the episode on the ID Channel covering this case. I can't explain why, but the mom gives me goosebumps watching how she acts on camera.
What makes me think she has something to do with is how she won't call her son by his name. She uses the term "Little Man". Like she is making her bond further away by distancing herself from her having a son. It's just Little Man. Plus the granddaddy is being used for his age. They are saying we told grampa to watch the kid but he says otherwise. The parents did it. I'm sorry, but I know it in my gut.
I’ve always thought it was shady that the mother called 911 from the campsite while the dad drive down the road to get a “better” signal. And they were both in the phone with 911 but from different locations. Have all the vehicles (truck, suburban, camper) been searched forensically? Where did he drive to? Has that area been searched? This bugs me.
I wonder why Vernal's 911 call has never been released to the public...
@@heathernikki5734 not true watch the last scene of missing 411 stop spreading false rumors
@@heathernikki5734 hmm...I remember blood but no DNA, I've been liking all your comments but this one I question
Makes a lot of sense. He drove down the road looking for DeOrr and called 9/11 after a certain point. If he walked down the road, which is the easiest path, driving would have been the quickest way to catch up.
So that's not suspicious to me.
@@churchking2527 It's 911, not September 11th. ;) Sad how that has become so ingrained...
Waiting for news about the latest search. Information slow in coming
She’s lying !!!
The mother has been a shady character from the start. She’s never acted like a grieving mom, and how could you not remember the details on the day your baby went missing? Acting like being questioned so much is why she changed her memory like it made her forget?
And then there’s the matter of both the mother and father could not pass a polygraph! Both failed on knowing what happened to Deorr and where he was.
It seems too convenient that Issac a man the parents don’t even know whom they refer to as creepy was invited on this trip ( though the grandfather admitted he didn’t trust him) . It’s like Issac was invited simply so he could be the fall guy , the one they could shift blame to, . And why would anyone in there right mind leave a 2 year toddler with his elderly , sick , Great Grandfather who was on oxygen and could barely move around on his own , especially out in the middle of nowhere on a camping trip ! With danger everywhere . There stories are all different and full of lies. It seems more likely that the baby was never on this trip , that something happened to him beforehand, and he was already disposed of , and this trip was thought up so that they would have a story , to say he went missing while camping , and Issac was ask to go , only to have someone to shift the blame to and take attention off the parents . It would make sense as to why there was never a trace of him found anywhere near the camp site and all those people in town say they never saw him....
And if by some chance baby Deorr was on this trip , it seems more likely his parents done something to him, and maybe that trip to town that she claims they had to go because she started her period , was actually a trip to dispose of there sons body elsewhere before calling to report him missing?
We will never know the real truth but I think it’s safe to say that all of the stories they have so far told are all lies...
When you have access to the public and you don't say the child name..how horrid
Ikr!!
"His name is Deorr, if you see him or a blonde little boy please 🥺"
Nothing like that! She's so guilty, just living life going from man to man camping and getting laid
@@hellosweetheart3350 how do you know about her love of camping and boning?
Hi KTVB from New Zealand, following this case in 2023. Lets find DeOrr Jr!
YOU HIRE AN INVESTIGATOR...TO GET TO...THE TRUTH!!! WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.....THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!!
THERE IS SOMETHING......WRONG WITH THIS FAMILY!!!! SHE IS FULL OF...EXCUSES!!!
They're both liars trying to blame the dumb guy and the ol man...
Yep which is disgusting .
They ask the very ill grandpa to go camping and now blame him for their sons death !!!
Bull sh ** the parent's are involved and covering it up .
They are guilty of child endangerment at the very Least
And the parent's don't want to go to prison .
Anyone with 2 eyes can see Jessica is guilty as sin. Not sure about the father. No one would leave a 2 yr old out in the woods with the old man and his wired friend. I would lock them all up in the same cell till they all explode with the truth because they all know something.
I was once told a liar will shift their eyes down and to the left.
The Mum looked down and shifted her eyes to the right when asked if she knew where or what happened to her Son? in a different video, I remember that much, but the camera was down and to her right and she may have been looking directly into the camera. It is very sad for the little boy. I hope somehow he is safe, but it is not looking that way. Incidentally lots of people go missing in the wilderness - Missing 411 is a very educational video on all the people - little children included that just vanish while with adults and within sight of adults, in parks, woods, camping - always in green areas, when out for the day... just vanish!
As much as I can see why the parents are suspected, what a DUMB reason for the first private detective to be judgemental of Jessica. If she was not able to support her older two children, of course she might agree their father should have custody of them (IF he is a good person and a good father and has the money). This in itself is not "bad parenting", especially if she can see the children when she wants.
Oh please, jessica cared about jessica! She thinks she deserves a good life because men hit on her alot, having children ruins potential hookups with wealthy men.
She’s a POS who has no problem laying on her back but can’t put in the work to be a mother. She only cares about herself and she is brazen to do any interviews lying repeatedly. She is Casey Anthony all over again. She is throwing it in peoples faces that she got away with it and that she’s never going to be charged with her sons death.
That money that went into the go fund me account that lawyer had to account for every penny, lawyer didn’t do anything wrong with that money
The fact that they didn't take the 20K as a reward is suspicious
What??
Very suspicious
Mom sure does want her kids.
I can see how the parents wouldnt want a private investigator that suspects them.
I could never give my kids away No matter how poor I was
Oh my, the mother!!!!!! She went to go fishing (as far as I'm aware that can be hours) and left he two year old, a two year old remember, who would be in at everything, she supposedly leaves him with a man she's never met, who I believe is maybe not of average intelligence (I also believe Isaac is terrified to speak up) and an old man who has an oxygen tube, seriously!!!!!! Nothing was found, none of the lads clothing, no screaming, nothing. She knows exactly where her baby is and I don't think he's necessarily dead
Well said! I agree 100%
Story about guy at diner staring at her and boy is so stupid. Mom is trying to deflect from herself. She is so guilty and I know they killed that boy and left his body out in the mountains. Animals would eat that little boy in 5 min and those parents knew that would be best way to remove their problem. Dad wanted to get on the road as a truck driver and mom wanted new life with boyfriend. What is wrong with FBI or cops..parents should be arrested. They would be found guilty. Mom reminds me of Kasey anthony, no emotions.
Just because issac is a little weird doesn’t mean he kidnapped him if he did how?
But he knows something he’s not sharing
The whole thing is just weird family goes camping.leaves child.child goes missing.never been found.mother leaves father of the child.mother remarries
As a parent the first red flag was they went fishing...I'm immediately thinking as a mom, what about your toddler? I never let my little ones out of my sight and if they were left w a sitter I trusted in a safe place with all kinds of instructions. And her first statement wasnt, help, my baby is missing! (Hysterically) it was, my 2 year old son...why would you mention his age first?
So what's with the jacket deorr was supposed to be wearing but was found in their apartment after they were evicted?
(She looks incredibly good considering the circumstances.)
Both parents have lied multiple times
The mom looks guilty
Failed polygraph ?? Shame on these investigators for saying that. FYI a polygraph is only 3 questions and not what we see on TV. Any investigator bringing up a failed poly is a failed investigator.
I always thought the parents did something
the retired Ranger, he was trying to be nice saying she gave him up for "adoption" IMHO he knows better but was being the professional.
The parents were involved. It.was an accident and they panicked.
I suspect they either sold their child or he accidentally ingested drugs
@@Jakilyn I'm with both of you
I think he was dead before they went camping and they carried his body up there to dispose of it. I think the 9-1-1 calls and multiple trips were to move his body around.
These parents make me sick. They are liers.
They had an illegal adoption set up, they.got.paid,they needed a missing child scene set up, poor Isaac was a scapegoat, no one was seen leaving because they left on another route and they gave them time to get away while searching themselves before ringing police,, that's my theory, granddad was in on it,Isaac didn't have a clue, he's clearly slow,also I'd be interested to know did he see the child or only hear them talking about him,that would be my.other theory he never went on the trip, it.was a set up, in some way. At first I really believed the parents until I watched them and listening to them more, I feel they know exactly where the poor little lad is 😟😟
As I understand it, Isaac was by the creek when they came back from town, so he can't say for sure whether Deorr was with the parents when they came back from the store. And for Granddad, he could clearly have been mistaken about when he saw him last....we have only the parent's word that Grandad saw them come back. I don't think that Deorr was with them coming back from the store.
The interview with isaac he says. "Yes i saw the child he was playing by the campfire, he was with his dad " and then it cuts to another scene so we can rule out that "the child never went up to the campsite" if we trust what isaac is saying.
Call in a good physic to see if they can find the baby
Oh yeah, that will work. Lol
@@heathernikki5734 they have!
Amy allan
@@janetlieb2507 no they haven't. If that's the story medium is based on it was all a lie.
@@janetlieb2507 yeah that Hollywood medium dude is a fraud.
Kline seems to be a pretty sus character.
his parents know where he is
This man had right to his opinion.
The physic that did the Cult mom case to help find her kids did a reading and she absolutely believes that a bear grabbed him and took him up the hill. Find the bears den and you’ll find bones.
It’s possible. There was a case where a little girl went missing and they later found out that it was wild dogs or wolves. The parents were basically crucified until forensics could prove the truth.
Wouldn't they have heard screams? Found torn clothing?
@@heathernikki5734 just because you don't believe in psychics/ mediums does not mean that they aren't real. Many have helped solve cases that have been unsolved for years. Psychics can only see, in this case, what DeOrr Jr could see. They don't get a special camera views. They connect to the missing person/child and try to describe what they are gathering. Also what the psychic sees/ feels has to relate to something they recognise too. I get you're following the case but some of your comments are out of line and should be kept off of someone elses INFORMATIVE information. If you feel they are frauds that's fine, however it could be hope for him to finally rest. Stop putting someone else down because you don't have the brain capacity to understand that there are way more possibilities in the world than we know.
@@stephanim2436 Yes, a lot of screams, clothing (as you wrote 👍) and I heard that the grandmother said that his boots were too large for him...so if dragged/kicking, they would most likely fall off real quick, right? 🤔
I don't live near bears in my country, so just a question: do bears drag away their prey, don't they usually start eating immadetely? Or do they act like mountain lions if humans are close by? 🤔
Anyhow, so, so sad 😭, I believe that little DeOrr was murdered, or wasn't looked after properly, so he had a terrible accident (perhaps drowned?)! 💔😥💔
Or...was he dead already when they got to the camp site 😭 (why drive there very late at night, in complete darkness, with both a sick, old grandfather and a small child)?? 😶
Just some thoughts,
with regards from Sweden. 🥀
Yeah…. And how is it that Klein’s team found his camo jacket at the home when the parents described him wearing it?
not alot of eye contact,her eyes dart all over the place,,,,,?????
That's why I don't believe a word she says! She's obviously being hit on alot by men and children just ruin her potential hookups with wealthy men
You can see her looking at Deorr Sr a lot..fishy
Also speaking of fish..why did everyone think it was so interesting to see where he caught that fish. That story seems fishy. That little boy never came back with them that day.
Check Chad Daybell’s backyard
Y'know what else just struck me? They never hug and usually both parents cry and plead to "whoever has him" or "anyone with any information". Did these parents do that??
Have we seen a tear shed by the mama or the dad? Not yet and I’ve been watching info about this case for hours now.
From the grandmama yes..not from the parents. Just terrible.
@@baddie1shoe there is footage of the father crying.
I know everyone is different..but people truly grieving a child’s presence looks different. There is a desperation in their cries and pleas.
I lost my own daughter who was 18 this November. I’m very familiar. I think the cries of a mother and father with a missing child would be even worse. I know where my daughter is. My despair wondering about a missing child had experienced or was experiencing -that uncertainty over time would kill me.
@@marionoz9980 Crocodiletears
I think , after théy couldn't find him, when the dad got into his truck to go get a better cell phone signal, the little boy was hiding by the truck and the dad ran him over, and panicked and put him in the truck and disposed of him somewhere. I got this idea from another person's comment when this first happend. Can't remember that person's name.
stephen brown: Doesn’t make any sense. They would have found blood, plus your gonna call 9/11 to try to save him instead of just ditching the body. They wouldn’t of got charged for an accident.
Nah not a chance.
They have to keep going and go on searching …
Only to be 2. Poor lost baby. Mind boggling
So if the investigaters were just doing it for the money why would they turn on them?
Father took four stops before getting his wife help with her period that started. Any woman would know that wouldn't fly!!!! Mom is a lier. Why don't they charge both parents...they were responsible for child. To go on camp trip they sure wanted to drive back to town a lot. This whole story is full of holes.
EXACTLY! appalachian in idaho you can just lose your child and have no consequences
@@hellosweetheart3350 hmm. That recently happened in Appalachia with Summer Wells. Is that a thing known to happen in Appalachia?
When my xhus and our son went camping, I made sure I had my tampons/pads ahead of time along with first aid kit and extra bandaids and Kleenex and toilet paper. So to me, it's a little strange for her to have to go back into town. I understand that I could forget what I needed but that spot is way out in the wilderness.
The mom rushing into town cause her period started, did anyone confirm that. They probably took boy with them to town and on the long drive in, killed him and threw him down some far ravine.
I have to admit that’s the only thing that makes sense.
Vernal seems believable IMO. It’s hard to believe two people could be involved in killing their child.
But, I agree with you, the only thing that makes sense is Deorr was taken “into town” and hasn’t been seen since.
They both killed that baby! Just like this recent case in California where the Mother and Boyfriend were charged with the murderd.
But why?
The only thing that anyone is left with about this case is that the child vanished into thin air. I think the parents would be happy if that was the conclusion.
Smooth talker, she thinks she's slick. She's guilty.
I would like to think I would to remember every second ..
What if these parents are telling the absolute truth and had nothing to do with little DeOrr's disappearance? Maybe looking at the parents distracted the investigators from what really happened. Neither Jessica or Vernal have 'broken' in all of these years. And Jessica getting married - well, do you think she had a friend left in this world after all of the publicity in this case? Perhaps her new husband believed her and believes in her and she needed that. I don't know but that is what is important to remember - so far no one can prove what happened at all. Tragic. It would be wonderful if little DeOrr showed up one day after seeing all of this on tv and realizes he was abducted. Whoever knows what happened isn't talking.
I was skeptical to believe that she had anything to do with it until I saw this. She knows something, at very least. Looking at her body language, her feet and knees are turned to her left, completely away from the person she’s speaking with. She looks like she’s about ready to run away from that confrontation.
Deorr is nowhere near that campsite. Id search near vernells dads house, where Jessica and vernells lived at the time, grandpa bobs house, Isaac's house and all points and back roads in between. Probably an accident and they buried him somewhere close. The whole camping trip was a rouse
Isaac stated ON VIDEO NEWS that he saw DeOrr get out of their truck after the gas station trip.
No cry gulity never cry mum no emtion guilty
When I’ve been in a traumatic experience I remember every single detail like it’s burned into my memory
I’m not liking this mother and I’ll tell you why. She psychoanalysed herself in front of the reporter explaining about memory. Is she a memory expert. I understand about trauma….I’ve had enough of it in my life, however, once a person calms down and focuses……the truth just flows out naturally. She’s making excuses for her memory and is portraying herself as an expert on memory. Just listen to her….who does that? I can’t say if she’s involved but I am not liking what comes out of her mouth.
I was looking EVERYWHERE for this comment. Her psychoanalysis and how she uses ti to deflect blame is highly manipulative. I also ask myself if she maybe is a little weird and overly anxious
She can’t look straight to the interviewer
What’s going on now ? Is there justice ?
I remember when little Azaria's parents were also publicly branded guilty and crucified. Years later they were exonerated. Innocent until proven guilty.
At first Kline says that he was fired but quickly catches himself and rolls his eyes then says "he" states he is not going to put his signature on this contract any longer. One doesn't keep signing a contract over and over. Once it's signed you don't need to sign it again. Makes no sense for him to put it that way. Kline was fired. He also never mentioned who "he" is. He is DeOrr Kunz Sr. Dennis Kunz who I am guessing is DeOrr's father is also on the contract. Kline has stated before that a "family member" hired him. Is that a lie, a half truth or is it just Kline's way of not wanted to say that he was fired by the father of the son he was looking for.
He also surveilled the man who hired him. At the least I see this as immoral behavior maybe even illegal. Kline took money from a client and used it to build a case against his own client. Also, why did Kline take the money when he knew that he was the second investigator on the case and knowing the circumstances? IMO he thought it would be easy to prove these parents murdered their child and become a hero. Guess it didn't work out so well for him. Six years on and to my knowledge he hasn't given a motive or a scenario as to how the parent or parent's disposed of little DeOrr's body.
Lastly did any of these people like Jessica and Issac know that they were being filmed? Seems like you guys are either hiding in a car or behind a tree? If that's what you did fine but it just doesn't seem like they were aware.
Philip Klein has ZERO interest in preserving the rights and dignity of his clients. He openly states he is a fixer. He openly bragged in a Town Hall about Tom Brown, that he will fix things for corrupt officials “it’ll cost you a lot”….”he’ll sit them down” and tell them he’ll “fix things”. Called himself Ray Donovan. He cannot be trusted with anything. He lies. He is completely on the side of corruption and will do anything to protect his gross negligence. People associated with Philip Klein end up dead, too often. He will do anything for attention and he’ll throw anyone under the bus who challenges his lies. I gave this man $20,000 and he used it to revenge on his enemies, investigate me, instead of my missing family member and basically tore my family to shreds.
Let me reassure everyone in this thread …… DEORR KUNZ JR IS ALIVE. Philip Klein leaves dead victims in his wake and if anyone in my family is hurt, dies of accident, heart attack, or anything else, PHILIP KLEIN WILL BE IN MY CROSS HAIRS ( euphemism, not an actual threat of harm , Phil). Klein lies, people die. He is a FIXER. Do not hire Klein unless you want your life in shambles. He calls employers. Lies. Lies and more lies. Do not give him one cent. He will tear your loved ones to pieces and lie for corruption. It’s a gross miscarriage of justice that he is allowed to snoop in peoples lives. He is gross. Solicits neighbors. Little bIG man, Philip Klein. Zero morals and ethics is not his strongest characteristic. Where is Deorr, Philip? Wakey Wakey, eggs and bakey……. CLONE MY WINKY…….. literally. Philip Klein is a bad man.
I do not believe that multiple PIs suspecting the parents are both wrong! It's obvious to me that she didn't want kids. They were an inconvenience for her and she found a way to get rid of him.
Idk cuz there are other disappearing people in these parks without a trace.
COME ON. Just arrest them Both already. They did this ..
My children I would die for and omg missing. No way I could divorce and remarried
They're guilty. Case closed
He felt both parents were liars
The truth is simple not complicated,If you are adding unessesary information,you are stalling ...as your mind knows what happened but your mouth is trying not to tell. ('I was at point a the time.. doing so and so,around 2p.m. then I went to point b ,I had not seen my son,my son was gone} this is simple truth.We are not hearing this from momma.
That's not for us. lol So he took 25K and never made a dime. Klein tells the police they should consider charges against the parents? Since when does a PI make those kind of suggestions and what proof does he have? Maybe the parents are guilty but he obviously has nothing against them or they would have been charged by now. The parents raised 25K on a Go Fund Me page and gave it all to this guy and he took the easy way out and quit because according to him they lied to me. I wonder if he used all of the money? If not did he give back any of this money to the parents or anyone for that matter?
Just her initial call is odd
Kline was very irresponsible in naming the parents as suspects. Kline's also upset because the contract wasn't renewed so he stirred the pot.
He was the one who backed out.
That’s ridiculous 🙄
One thing is for sure about this case and that is one of those 4 people (well 3 now) knows what happened to him. No animal got the baby, they would found his boots, shredded clothing, and bones scattered...not to mention they would of heard it and/or seen blood. Seems fishy that she gave away two other kids she had from previous marriage...I think that points to her not being a loving mother. They should talk to the former former husband and see if maybe she ever said any whacked out things about getting rid of her children or something while they were married. Hopefully she just gave him away and the little boy is with a good family today, although how good of a family can it be if they are willing to be part of a cover up to get a child, plus how would they enroll a kid into school without his birth certificate.
That one guy who was friend of grandfather seems strange, kind of looks like the bridge guy from delphi but I don’t think he could of did this because of the situation. How could he take a child, kill him and hide the body knowing that the family or grandfather wouldn't of looked to see where the child was at as soon as he picks the child up to leave with him. Couldn’t been all 4 together on it, would had to been either the grandfather and friend in on it, or just the friend, or the mom dad grandfather, or just mom and dad, or just mom.
Let’s be real, polygraph tests are so faulty you can’t rely upon them. Too many innocent people have been falsely accused because they failed a polygraph. Not saying they are innocent but the polygraph doesn’t say anything.
Mom is so guilty body language not making eye contact, so obvious
I have PTSD and nothing jumbles together..
Good for you, apparently you've never heard of depression. Btw, your experiences aren't everyone.
Contrary to what investigators think and popular opinion, the parents are innocent.
Thats right!! And if people think this mom is too calm take a closer look at IDAHO's dirty cops in the Dylan Rounds Case. His mom Candice Cooley was just as put together! Not everyone is a hysterical mess! BTW They did just uncover Dylan Rounds body and convicted someone else- js
AT first I was thinking maybe they didn't have anything to do with it but as time goes on I really don't think that baby was ever there that trip was planned to throw everything off nothing adds up there is something really strange about this mother and father
Before I watched this video my thoughts were that guy Issac was my 1st suspect and she was my 2nd. Other interviews I have seen with her she sounds nervous but not sad about her son. She has 2 other children to a previous marriage. Then she was married to DeOrr now she is again married.
Personally I think she is a sociopath. Reflecting back on the interviews with Issac he has stated he wants to remain neutral and he doesn't remember what "really" happened. Could it be a clue that he knows or seen something but didn't say anything because it was the boys mother that picked him up and took him? From everything I've seen and heard the mother is very suspect in this case.
Taken by a bear. Leave the family alone.
Maybe the boy fell into the creek and drowned
maybe he wound up in the same place as that guy David Pilates that made the movie missing 411 and wrote those books sounds like he disappeared just like a lot of those other people have that nobody can explain what about what about that what about all those people where is there news where's all there stories public stories about how they killed their loved ones that just disappeared in the middle of nowhere
I believe an illegal adoption.
My first assumption is animal predation. Many people underestimate the capabilities of Cougars. A fully grown Puma can carry a 113 kg (250 lbs.) buck up into a tree. A 13 kg (30 lbs) child could potentially be gripped in a Mountain Lion's maw without injuring or maiming the child. This is how they carry their young, and a human child's clothing would quite conveniently mimic the loose fur of a Ghost Cat cub.
I understand, in cases of animal predation there is usually signs of struggle such as blood or ripped clothing. It just strikes me that such a small and lightweight target would be more of a special case, and easier than most to snatch and run while leaving little to no trace behind.
I. Think. Mom. Did. It. Don't. Know. If. Dad. Part. Of. It. Tough
Alotta liers!
Mm. Acts. Confused. And. Gulty. Acting
Please don't give up.... the parents did this
Lie excuses she lying
this guys a nut case
A Psychic and a Medium could help in knowing what really happened to the child for all we know the child could still be alive
I’d just as soon call a Psychedelic🍄& a Large…
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@@heathernikki5734 Now I herd psychics get there information through a demon. Don’t hold me to that. But demons can see what happens physically or what is physically said. To me that’s the only way they know anything. It’s a known fact that psychics have helped find bodies and or helped solve crimes. Me I would keep it in Prayer, I would pull on God and not the devil. And I am not calling psychics demons their putting their selves at risk to help. There good people.
If psychics and mediums were true all the missing children would be found they're not credible and if you believe in them I have a bridge to sell you.
@@GeneralGeorgeS.PattonJr. 😁😁😁
@@reneeisrael8192 Then they twist that & say… “Well we can’t see every possible future scenario, only certain probabilities .”
Well you ain’t frigging psychic then are you?!
They’re admitting it’s only a guessing GAME…
I can duplicate their false methods, myself.
Eyes down to the right
lie
Y'all need to call in David paulides hes a former police detective and now is a investigator and the writer of the books missing 411 he would be the best help in this case the only thing these other investigators want to do is put innocent people behind bars and to make this family look like killers it bothers me so bad that all they can do is point fingers at the family. Why dont u ask some of the other familys thats lost kids to what ever is in them woods if they had anything to do with there kids going missing and see what they have to say to u
If there's a lake, try to search underwater.
I'm sure they threw the kid there ,you cant find easily they put inside the Cool box..🤔🤔🤔
The dad is giving me Chris Watts vibes!!! They know, they ALL know!
It’s that creepy looking cousin
Hmm, criminal profilers must love that Jessica keeps looking: Down, and to the left, down, and to the left, down....
If the parents didn’t do it, the kid got snatched by a cougar. RIP brudda.
Maybe she did kill her son cuz remember they said somebody shovel with a blonde hair on it
Wow