People need to remember this list is based on real sweaty people playing the class to its max potential. saying “but i played hellmode and i out dmg x/y/z as a low tier char” that just means, as legalia said “whoever you’re outdamaging has no hands” A godly hunger reaper might out dmg an average master summoner player, but it wont out dmg a godly reflux sorc
Exactly everything is viable for the average player but at the top-tier you're fighting for 2s and 5s percents that's when these kind of things come into play although I can say my hunger reaper no matter where I am I'm probably not going to MVP the DPS lol
I would say Gunslinger has the same uptime of crit synergy because spiral tracker does last like 2 seconds and keeps the 6s synergy up until it’s gone to count the timer. Boss can move yes but I think it makes minimal difference.
Teboc is one of the best mayhem zerkers I’ve seen.. not sure if you’ve played with him. He has some pretty smooth hell runs and was one of the first if the not the first hellkas zerker clear in NAE. Either way, I think mayhem is much more consistent now with providing high DPS. BT as well obviously, but I still think mayhem is superior.
i think strikers are hit or miss because the class attracted a lot of meta andies and "big numba, ooga booga" people during last summer. they watched gifs of stoopz and others pumping mad numbers with spec bard+atropine+gl+db+darkbomb the class is pretty hard to play outside of that the OGs who made their strikers outside of this silly FOTM period tend to be good performers
Gunlancer and Deathblade synergy nerfs don't affect Deadeye enhanced weapon cuz the buff migitate it. Last request buff without taking in account of 50% staggered damage is 6% dps increase.
well known hell mode raider from NAW that was pumping absurd numbers on MS as well as PM gs, played with him in KR and he got caught toggling speedhacks in KR hell clown
watch?v=NwRBM_vczcU this guy is one of the best emperor player in korea. one of the kr mentors in hell academy recommended me to his vids. hes very good imo
@@Legaliaaa yea I’d agree with that. I play Fi because I don’t have my 2nd purple wealth so it feels a little shitty. But once I get that wealth you bet your ass I’m gigapushing 4 spender lol
I definitely agree with the hunger reaper being lackluster DPS but I got to say the class is just so much f****** fun plus that's why we have sorc alts ;p
Prob cuz his team wasn't at same gear/gem etc lvl. I've gotten huge MVPs on demonic impulse before don't make it a meta class ya know? But up til the top 1-2% of players playing well means more than your class but at top tier metas become so for a reason
Normal tier list must be for those burst classes, because other swift rotation classes won't even have the chance to do much dmg before they enter one and another major mechs. Sharpshooter and gunslinger can never beat igniter sorc in normal content because they don't even have the chance to do dmg, but in hell mode things get different.
@@donaldc7943 LC spec sharpshooter is burst, it's not like GS that is a constant dpser. However you're right, it can't beat an igniter in a burst window. Only Summoner can do it.
@@zyjen1338 It is burst after the KR patch, it's full spec and has high CD and has to pump out every skill in 6-8 seconds window. That is the definition of burst class. It's even better at burst than Death Strike. Swift LC is a constant DPS class.
@@Legaliaaa huh you don't have to be so toxic, my comment means its not so bad the class to put it at the bottom not at least for valtan,have a good day!
Who are these people that play Salvation+AM Glaivier? And is that actually true? Because I'm currrently playing nightmare+AM+3/4 and I just don't know where to find any information of what is better than that and why... (also mainly can't just switch it because im on EUW so have to make a educated decision instead of just trusting the lackluster community guide that's my only fucking ressource)
@@Legaliaaa Nightmare+Ambush master? :) I have a slight downtime in my standard rotation which just makes me think that repositioning for the back doesn't hurt that much. I take it AM over KBW because I have 310ish critdmg in red stance.
@@ulti__ Because it makes zero sense to go KBW with 4 red skills?? It scales best with blue stance, and blue stance is 33ish% of your dmg. Why not just go AM that needs just slightly more than half uptime to beat KBW. It's a pretty obvious question to me. Entropy couldnt exist if AM couldnt be played with Nightmare build. Entropy doesnt solve the problem that is with AM+NM in any way.
Oh look, NA andy trying to be tier list guru. I xdd hard when you put robust SF/BT berk in mediocre. You clearly played with pepegas who have no hands or you're an impostor who got piloted through hell mode.
@@cynapse7330 not sure if this comment section is the right place for you to simp. You and your pepega "bro" are quite mentally deranged to use some bogus deathless per region statistics to build your credibility. I don't see what's there to reply as mr. Pepegalia self-roasted himself. Try to bring facts/research to your statements instead of plain "uga buga i do more hell mode runs so I'm smart".
@@jozefpodlecki1052 LMAO just take the L and return to your server, categorizing my comment as "simp" and calling us mentally deranged just shows how much you suck at either inferno progression or possibly you play both of those class and main one or the other. Video is clearly HIS insight of classes by tiers of effectivity in inferno raids especially with the upcoming march 15 balance patch as stated in the title. Show us your insight, try to change his mind on Robust SF/BT Zerk being put in mediocre.
I would say BT zerker is definitely stronger than he list, but robust is just a dogsh in hellmode. It requires more than 1700spec and higher level cd gems
His demonic take hurt my soul a bit but he's not wrong it's my alt cuz I'm broke lol was pretty cheap to build and only needing two good gems helped a lot but idk if it's worst in slot it's a pretty solid class esp for prog players since the consistent self healing and easy rotation plus no tripods for demon mode. Always do ok with DPS too. Imo war dancers kinda shit unless u can afford a rly crazy setup. Mid tier gems and like a 3-3 setup it was awful to play. And glavier as well. Even with 3-3 and all gems epic or up the dmg is just meh. Both classes fun to play but imo those two are worst dpsers. Least for avg players until the relic+ sets cuz I can't speak for those I quit both those specs for other classes around argus
People need to remember this list is based on real sweaty people playing the class to its max potential.
saying “but i played hellmode and i out dmg x/y/z as a low tier char”
that just means, as legalia said “whoever you’re outdamaging has no hands”
A godly hunger reaper might out dmg an average master summoner player,
but it wont out dmg a godly reflux sorc
Exactly everything is viable for the average player but at the top-tier you're fighting for 2s and 5s percents that's when these kind of things come into play although I can say my hunger reaper no matter where I am I'm probably not going to MVP the DPS lol
The reaper hate continues.. :( it's ok tho enough hate maybe we get a buff cuz I'm not rerollin 😂
Looking forward to your normal tier list !!
- noobie who just picked up the game again and doesnt know If he should stick with zerker or not
zerk very good, i will upload normal list tmrw
Legacy Machinist was part of the worlds first hell brel clear, list need updating?
doesn't change the fact that he does z, emperor arcana carried the entire team on back
I would say Gunslinger has the same uptime of crit synergy because spiral tracker does last like 2 seconds and keeps the 6s synergy up until it’s gone to count the timer. Boss can move yes but I think it makes minimal difference.
When i run clown with my red GL Im 40-50% damage on every gate
Half a year now any updates for the list
Teboc is one of the best mayhem zerkers I’ve seen.. not sure if you’ve played with him. He has some pretty smooth hell runs and was one of the first if the not the first hellkas zerker clear in NAE.
Either way, I think mayhem is much more consistent now with providing high DPS. BT as well obviously, but I still think mayhem is superior.
cant empress run 242 which has evoke?
pls make an update for the balance patch and new class sir
I wish you could test your dps in trixion with hell mode setup
how do you know what dps you did on encounters?
i think strikers are hit or miss because the class attracted a lot of meta andies and "big numba, ooga booga" people during last summer. they watched gifs of stoopz and others pumping mad numbers with spec bard+atropine+gl+db+darkbomb
the class is pretty hard to play outside of that
the OGs who made their strikers outside of this silly FOTM period tend to be good performers
striker is far from "pretty hard to play" (deathblow)
who was the person you mentioned for moon reaper gameplay? do they have a youtube channel?
he doesn't stream or play reaper much anymore
any ETA on normal content tier list?
You never expressed your thoughts on slayer btw
I don't rate classes not released in our version because of potential balance changes we will inevitably receive
@@Legaliaaa ah, just that you said you would talk about slayer toward the end of the video but never did. Unless it was cut out
Hi I've just come back to the game after a year, does this tier list represent something upcoming in 2 weeks?
Not really, it's hellmode specific
Gunlancer and Deathblade synergy nerfs don't affect Deadeye enhanced weapon cuz the buff migitate it. Last request buff without taking in account of 50% staggered damage is 6% dps increase.
still a weaker class than blade and slayer (the only 2 entropy I placed in S) and given how bad entropy is in g2 hell clown I have to put it in A
@@Legaliaaa oh I'm just letting people know that deadeye isnt affected by nerfs. For sure, hes a high A tier if I were to rate him too.
It’s not 6%, it’s actually around 3.6% if you calculate it. So yes deadeye got a nerf in hell mode…
Whats teh context on the master summoner cheating/speed hacking? anyone got a link that explains
well known hell mode raider from NAW that was pumping absurd numbers on MS as well as PM gs, played with him in KR and he got caught toggling speedhacks in KR hell clown
Does anyone have recommendations for who to watch for good emperor gameplay?
Jiudau
@@raveturkey1996 ji doesnt even play emperor
watch?v=NwRBM_vczcU this guy is one of the best emperor player in korea. one of the kr mentors in hell academy recommended me to his vids. hes very good imo
Ayo the WD community gonna keep saying 4 spender is 'unplayable' in raids watch lmao
Any idea how other ESO WD variants perform? You only talked about 4 spender but how is 3 spender for example?
3 spender performs fine and is very playable, basically everything that isn't FI is not zdps
@@Legaliaaa yea I’d agree with that. I play Fi because I don’t have my 2nd purple wealth so it feels a little shitty. But once I get that wealth you bet your ass I’m gigapushing 4 spender lol
@@Adjust91 you don't need 2 purple wealth. But this means you'll have a very high spec requirement or you'll need to make changes to your rotation
I definitely agree with the hunger reaper being lackluster DPS but I got to say the class is just so much f****** fun plus that's why we have sorc alts ;p
So Wardancer > Striker?
yes
anyone know a good deadeye player reccomendation?
th-cam.com/video/g1m9RSdC2xU/w-d-xo.html&start=0
@@terumikami3461 thank you!
@@17shin7 who?
Kanima taking MVP in hellmode with legacy scout is laughing at this tier list
Yes because his relative skill level in his lobby is way higher. This tier list assumes the highest ceiling of skill reached in the game.
This means absolutely nothing all that proves is the people he played with are much worse then he is.
Prob cuz his team wasn't at same gear/gem etc lvl. I've gotten huge MVPs on demonic impulse before don't make it a meta class ya know? But up til the top 1-2% of players playing well means more than your class but at top tier metas become so for a reason
@@Legaliaaa where do you get the data of all the players with highest skill ceiling? Any prove?
@@dotagodtv1508 "Assumes" is different than proof. This tier list is based on assumption that all the players playing the classes are the best players
Can you make a normal tier list
everything can be op in normal mode if you overgear it xdd
Normal tier list must be for those burst classes, because other swift rotation classes won't even have the chance to do much dmg before they enter one and another major mechs. Sharpshooter and gunslinger can never beat igniter sorc in normal content because they don't even have the chance to do dmg, but in hell mode things get different.
@@donaldc7943 LC spec sharpshooter is burst, it's not like GS that is a constant dpser.
However you're right, it can't beat an igniter in a burst window. Only Summoner can do it.
@@MrWestSky LC spec is not burst. More burst than full swift, but still not a burst class.
@@zyjen1338 It is burst after the KR patch, it's full spec and has high CD and has to pump out every skill in 6-8 seconds window. That is the definition of burst class.
It's even better at burst than Death Strike.
Swift LC is a constant DPS class.
tofu goated
Worst in slot Demonic and got mvp xD
you neither: watched video, read the pinned comment, or had the required # of braincells to recognize what a tier list even is.
@@Legaliaaa huh you don't have to be so toxic, my comment means its not so bad the class to put it at the bottom not at least for valtan,have a good day!
Who are these people that play Salvation+AM Glaivier? And is that actually true? Because I'm currrently playing nightmare+AM+3/4 and I just don't know where to find any information of what is better than that and why... (also mainly can't just switch it because im on EUW so have to make a educated decision instead of just trusting the lackluster community guide that's my only fucking ressource)
xdd
this is for hell mode where you're guaranteed to be in gl blade party, in regular content I suggest run nightmare
@@Legaliaaa Nightmare+Ambush master? :) I have a slight downtime in my standard rotation which just makes me think that repositioning for the back doesn't hurt that much. I take it AM over KBW because I have 310ish critdmg in red stance.
@@vicw4522 how is the community guide lackluster? u either go salv/nm+no AM 4/3 or 3/4 or u go entropy+AM 4/3, no in between
@@ulti__ Because it makes zero sense to go KBW with 4 red skills?? It scales best with blue stance, and blue stance is 33ish% of your dmg. Why not just go AM that needs just slightly more than half uptime to beat KBW. It's a pretty obvious question to me. Entropy couldnt exist if AM couldnt be played with Nightmare build. Entropy doesnt solve the problem that is with AM+NM in any way.
Hell mode tier... kekw
xddd
this guy is clueless lol
Oh look, NA andy trying to be tier list guru. I xdd hard when you put robust SF/BT berk in mediocre.
You clearly played with pepegas who have no hands or you're an impostor who got piloted through hell mode.
I've probably cleared more deathless runs than your entire server added together
@@Legaliaaa bro legalia, Jozef couldn’t reply because he’s still taking statistics of cleared deathless runs in his server 😂 you made the man busy.
@@cynapse7330 not sure if this comment section is the right place for you to simp.
You and your pepega "bro" are quite mentally deranged to use some bogus deathless per region statistics to build your credibility.
I don't see what's there to reply as mr. Pepegalia self-roasted himself. Try to bring facts/research to your statements instead of plain "uga buga i do more hell mode runs so I'm smart".
@@jozefpodlecki1052 LMAO just take the L and return to your server, categorizing my comment as "simp" and calling us mentally deranged just shows how much you suck at either inferno progression or possibly you play both of those class and main one or the other.
Video is clearly HIS insight of classes by tiers of effectivity in inferno raids especially with the upcoming march 15 balance patch as stated in the title.
Show us your insight, try to change his mind on Robust SF/BT Zerk being put in mediocre.
I would say BT zerker is definitely stronger than he list, but robust is just a dogsh in hellmode. It requires more than 1700spec and higher level cd gems
His demonic take hurt my soul a bit but he's not wrong it's my alt cuz I'm broke lol was pretty cheap to build and only needing two good gems helped a lot but idk if it's worst in slot it's a pretty solid class esp for prog players since the consistent self healing and easy rotation plus no tripods for demon mode. Always do ok with DPS too. Imo war dancers kinda shit unless u can afford a rly crazy setup. Mid tier gems and like a 3-3 setup it was awful to play. And glavier as well. Even with 3-3 and all gems epic or up the dmg is just meh. Both classes fun to play but imo those two are worst dpsers. Least for avg players until the relic+ sets cuz I can't speak for those I quit both those specs for other classes around argus