EPGR: Why Super Mario Sunshine (GCN) Is Even Better in 2017
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2017
- In this latest review from cuck contrarian EPG, I tackle a Mario game with something of a mixed reputation: 2002's Super Mario Sunshine for the Nintendo GameCube. Do people mostly love this game? Hate it? Honestly, I don't really know. That said, I think many of the criticisms are worth examining in my brand of oversized videos. I also briefly address the possibility of an official HD remaster of Super Mario Sunshine HD from Nintendo.
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People: *complain that mario isn't original anymore*
Sunshine: *exists*
People: *hate it because it is too different*
(Stabs the sunshine hater next to me) Who's the bitch now frankie?!?
Frankie:OW!
I mean that’s just all entertainment right😂😂
This is so true for so many Nintendo Franchise as a whole.
*visble confusion*
This meme could’ve worked even without the colons.
the water I find is incredibly beautiful even to this day, and possibly today in 10 years.
I looooove Bowsers Inside Story🧡💜❤
IGN: rating: 7 out of 10
Negatives: "too much water"
What about now?
@@turtleanton6539 yes I saw at I think Walmart asked Mom to get it for me don't think I seen any trailers for it and was hooked the moment I got to play as Bowser my kid mind even mind today is still blown away wish Nintendo were do like that wish the Mario games I want to play as Bowser again lol.
Exo: A proper remake from Nintendo themselves could be so much more than a mere HD facelift
Nintendo: Let’s make Sunshine HD a mere HD facelift
Since Super Mario Sunshine is already great as the 64's sequel?
I can't believe Metroid Primes switch port got more love than nintendo's flagship franchise, what an embarassment...
Im glad that they didnt touch it, its perfect as is
@@jiml8637 And it's now portable!
"Just looks up where the blue coins are!"
I would've if my family HAD internet connection in 2002.
That's a good point.
That dial up connection.
🤣🤣🤣
I had the prima guide ;)
I mean, it's not like 100%ing was a thing in 2002.
Can you feel the sunshine?
Does it brighten up your day?
Don't you feel that sometimes
You just need to run away?
AngryNerds100 Go away
Reach out for the sunshine.
Forget about the rain.
Just think about the good times
and they will come back again.
Hibub Games FUUUUUUUUUUU (explodes)
DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES
YOU SHOULD STO-OP MAKING GAMES?!
-JonTron, Sonic R review
#SonicLikeYaKnowGoesDownDaUhGoesToRadioshackNNGitsAFooComponents
Aged like wine that there Mario Sunshine.
Who's here after Mario 3D All Stars got announced?
It's a bummer it was a lousy port.
Tho now I wonder how hard is it to port 3D games since so many of them are lousy...
@@TheTC it was a fine port really.
Pretty basic, but not a bad port by any means
@The T.C. Nintendo easily has the resources to do a full remake, they just don’t want to. Especially since they are bundling 3 games together, this is generous by their standards. I’m surprised they aren’t selling Sunshine alone for $60.
@@justinc.5591 It’s innocent, but disappointing.
@@justinc.5591 "easily" is a bit misleading. Sure they have the resources/manpower to do so, but what would the ROI be? Sure, the more hardcore Nintendo fans would buy it regardless and probably a good chunk of people who never played it on GC, but there's also a huge chunk of people who would just dismiss it as a "remake" or people who've already played/own the GC version so don't want to buy it again.
The time/money/effort needed to make a sparkling fresh HD remake of Sunshine is better spent on other projects because those will net more money. Nintendo is a business, after all.
When Bowser sounds like a fan-made game voice overs.
Honestly would of taken Super Mario Sunshine II over Super Mario Odyssey. and I love both games.
Babies in the Mario games are delivered by stork, That´s why it´s somewhat believable that Peach could be Bowser Jr.´s mom ...even if they are from different species.
...Don´t you just love video game logic?
That's a good point, and well made.
ExoParadigmGamer did you forget the ending though? bowser clearly states peach is not his mother
THIS TIME ON GAME THEORY!
ExoParadigmGamer Before the mechanical bowser fight Jr tells "My dad told everything to me Peach is my mom and Mario kidnapped her" so... He is B R A I N W A S H E D
ArmaBiologica35 And Ironically this comment got 69 likes... Now it's 70!
There's an extremely easy way to do the watermelon mission that no one mentions. The plants that you use to defeat the giant Wiggler can kill Cataquacks, so just kill all the ones on the lower beach, then push the watermelon down the cliff to get it quickly down there, then push it carefully to the hut. Took me one try, and 10-15 minutes.
you can't kill the red ones, which are the biggest problem with that shine.
@@stephenweir9768 I know this is a 2 year comment but if you lure them into a dune bud and activate it it will be flung into the air and dies.
I love Mario Sunshine to pieces. In general, the GameCube is tied for being my favorite Nintendo console with the original NES and a large part of that is because that was the generation where they experimented and did things that were completely different than what came before. Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Pokemon Colosseum, Star Fox Adventures, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, the list goes on.
So cool 😉
this
Star Fox adventures 😍😍
What? NES above SNES? 🤔
As much as I love the Gamecube and love it more than the N64, the gaming historian in me can't approve of calling the GC more experimental than the N64, the system which truly spearheaded 3D graphics. It was a BIG DEAL at the time, and more than any other generation, the N64 and its games were incomparably different than anything that came before. The Gamecube improved the 3D foundations of the N64, but it could never represent a more experimental or newer step into the third dimension than the N64. Every new console after N64 has been less different to the N64 than the N64 was to the SNES. You can't get a bigger leap than SNES to N64. The extra dimension of space was too great an innovation.
Always good to see you on my feed, man! And as usual, you're presenting an honest, interesting, and fair look at a game from a perspective that doesn't match my own, and that's exactly why I love your work. Thank you!
Thanks for watching, mister Geek Critique.
Glad to see some love for Sunshine! I grew up playing Mario 64 at friends' houses because I never owned a 64, but Sunshine is the first 3D Mario that I owned, and I love it to death. Isle Delfino is one of the most immersive worlds in platforming and is one of the game areas that I wish existed in real life!
Another great vid as always!
TheKazeblade se fufu vadiooj
Sunshine is extremely underrated
POOPIESkillz Agreed
POOPIESkillz agreed, but why is it expensive?
Wait I'm thinking smash bros Melee
odeiup all first party nintendo games are expensive. They dont drop prices on their games ever because they feel it devalues them
While there’s no squeal from all long years... something tells me that Nintendo wanted to but ended up being cancelled just like SM64 2? Fml
POOPIESkillz wrong it's overrated
>"the criminal is among us"
>corona mountain
this video hits differently in 2021
All during this review I was like, Yes....Yes....Yes and a proper remake HD of it with all the cut content and more....YES
I even dreamed once of unused mario sunshine stuff
we'll take what we can get
SUper Mario 3-D All Stars was not a proper HD version of it.....
Yeah at least they added gamecube and N64 controller support but... that's about it
Correction: the alternate costume is from
A: you collect 30 shine sprites for the sunglasses.
B: you beat the game for the shirt.
THANK YOU.
Someone else who acknowledges the memorable NPCs and the passage of time over the 8 episodes. That's honestly one of my favorite things about Sunshine. I really like the Blue Coins also, aside from the small bunch of cryptic ones that really gave me issues on my first run and my first run alone. They gave me a good incentive to explore levels and talk to NPCs (as some of them give you hints on how to get some, like the guy who says to spray windmills to make them go faster in Bianco hills, or the lady who hints to spray at the moon in episode 5 of Pianta Village,) as I did them, instead of just going from point A to point B and not exploring at all. In my most recent run, I was surprised how easy it was to get all thirty or close to that just by exploring alone.
Also. Yes. Secret of the Village Underside difficulty is heavily overexaggerated. Really it's just the last Pianta who's kinda hard to line up (since you talk to him from the side.) And that the 100 Coin shines in general are just a fair bit better than 64 thanks to a lack of bottomless pits and the stages themselves are generally more forgiving in having less with BARELY enough coins to achieve that 100 coin mark, according to the official Nintendo Power guide, you can get 100 coins in all episodes of Bianco Hills, Ricco Harbor and Gelato Beach, all but 1, 2 or 3 obvious shines in Noki Bay, Sirena Beach and Pinna Park, making the "you need to know a specific shine" complaints, very overexaggerated when only Pianta Village sort of holds true with that (where you need to pick episode, 1, 3 or 5.)
Also, to correct you. Gooper Blooper 2 in Ricco Harbor does have a spinning tentacle attack that 1 and 3 do not. The alternate costume is given from beating Bowser at the end. Not from 100% (though that does mean you can wear it while you gather blue coins.)
"So declares Lord Miyamoto from the mountaintop!"
- ExoParadigmGamer, 2017
The issue with blue coins isn't that only 30% of them are obscure, it's that a significant margin of them are
If only one or two of them were obscure then they'd be well known for being that way, but if you're going for 100% you're going to have to encounter them all with no exception.
And the note about "Is it really that bad to look up a few blue coins?", well, yeah, it is. The designers should hide the coins with the intent to be found, not given up on and told externally.
Yes
Woody will give you Wood i don't see you making them
Haedox What me and your subscribers would be doing when you actually make a new video.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) it's the boy
Haedox NGYES
mouhamed lamin That's because he doesn't own Haedox's channel, stop getting pissy over a joke
Here's a new review for you guys. I only promised it a few months ago! Enjoy!
There's a discussion that I would like to see. Critiquing the critics. AKA calling out Nintendo's Haters for potentially being just as bad as the company they despise. AKA I hate Haedox can you see why? AKA the Super Mario Bros Z reboot is cancelled because Mark Haynes doesn't give a crap about his fans anymore. Please Understand.
ThatOneGuitarGuy 98 At least those games have their own Artstyle so that it doesn't feel like a blatant cash-grab though.
Finally the wait is finally over thanks Exo
Wait that background music at the end... It's the red squirrel isn't it...
+ExoParadigmGamer
I really like your review of this game. I pretty much have the same opinion when it comes to this game. Although you did have a couple mistakes (but hey you're only human).
1st is the tropical outfit, you actually get that after you've beaten BOWSER. It's a common mistake that I see a lot, and it's not that big of a deal.
The second thing is a glitch that makes the underwater sections (Red Coin bottle, Eel dentist, and Red Coin Fish) ten times better. All you need to do is go to "first-person mode", and you can do it at any point in these levels, it makes you turn a heck of a lot better, and it'll let you aim vertically. The only problem is that you can't move the camera or your character, so you'll need to get off "first-person mode" if you want to do that.
Hope this massive text didn't discourage you. (I always make theses explanation really long; though they are somewhat detailed)
Exo 2017: 44:34-45:51 "Imagine Super Mario Sunshine on the Switch with the addition of the Cut Content."
46:18 "I only get 1 chance to review this game and I sure as hell wasn't gonna waste it."
Nintendo 2020: Super Mario 3D All Stars.
Exo 2020: Here we go again.... Did Nintendo did the right thing?
22:55 3D World actually does have camera control, but it can only be moved in set increments like Mario 64.
I almost completely agree with you, I've 100% Super Mario Sunshine 11 times, and I don't plan on stopping. Super Mario Sunshine is my favorite game, ever. However, I do think there should've been less than 240 blue coins, I just don't like the fact that 24 of the 120 shines come from that.
BrendanBlair64 the blue icons are shit altogether they should have atleast made a counter that shows you how many are in the mission same with wich mission is the 100coin star cause nobody wants to collect 100coins in every mission just to get one shine
yugi muto did you not watch the video? It shows you blue coins on the map
45:03: "[...] and I feel a proper remake from Nintendo themselves could be so much more than a mere HD face lift" oh boy did that not age well 😬
just what a major disappointment that 3D All Stars Collection was is unbelievable
I just wish there was SOME kind of indication for the most obscure blue coins. Like, when you have to spray a random bit of wall in Ricco Harbor, or spray a random empty shelf or lamp in the Hotel, or spray a random signpost in pianta village, why not put a tiny blue blotch of paint on them?
That way you still have to pay attention and look for the coins but you don't have to potentially spray every last bit of level geometry like a madman.
And yes, show me in which missions I'm still missing coins. I don't wanna have to check every last polygon IN 8 DIFFERENT MISSIONS!
The game should not rely on online blue coin guides.
Yes, you perfectly described what's great about this game's level design: every main level is completely open. Instead of being presented a way to go through a series of incoherent platforms, you're being thrown in an open section with no clear path to the shine. It's up to you to find a way to the objective and often, there's more than one. It adds a lot of replay value and its quite satisfying to figure out the fastest route.
And my gosh would I be looking forward for a complete remake of this game on the Switch, with enhanced visuals, more setpieces, the five deleted levels, an actual final ''Bowser themed'' level and boss fight that would not be complete trash and plenty more bonus content, like unlockable clothes and costumes, being able to fly in a helicopter around the island and so on. I feel like a ''Mario Sunshine Deluxe'' would be the most logical choice for a Mario game to release after Odyssey. They are just so similar... open world levels, setpieces we can interact with, really good controls... but yeah, Sunshine has been receiving so much hate from the fans, it is unlikely for Nintendo to go back to it... *sigh* and that's depressing.
Yeah, I think this video has cemented you as one of my favorite youtubers.
Super Mario Sunshine is my all time favorite Mario game and sits pretty in my top 10 favorite games. To see you give it such an excellent review that reeks of thought, honesty, passion, and plenty of effort just feels good to watch. You took it's complaints head-on, accepted the ones you really couldn't counter, debunked those that you could, and actually turned some of them into positive points with your own unique perspective on the situation. Not only that, but some of your comments actually made me realize things I loved about the game that I never could put my foot on (e.g. the mini plots of each level and why I enjoy completing this game). I rewatched SomeCallMeJohnny's review on this game after watching this video and I have to say thank you. Thank you for giving this game such an as-objective-as-possible incredibly positive review that it's never truly gotten before.
Thanks Michael, I'll be waiting for that Conker RoR. I know you'll knock it out of the park!
I liked how Sunshine had better thematic sense in the level design while 64 was just a hodgepodge most of the time. I also thought the platforming in Sunshine was a lot more complex, fun and challenging. Terrific music too.
Bowser's only speaking role to date? Somebody hasn't played the Gamecube Mario Golf game...
The blue coins were my favourite part too! I have very fond memories of first discovering these secret blue coins and replaying all levels to try and discover them all. The collectivons were my favourite genre growing up and I have replayed these games so much that I really hope some are remade so I can achieve a new and updated experience from my old childhood games. I would really love a mario sunshine remake and a remake of donkey kong 64 (although I think it won't happen)
39:48 Actually, you can replay Spyro 2 with the super flame. Just load up a file that has that unlocked, then exit out, then creat a new file, there you go, you can now play through Spyro 2 with the super flame. I don't know if that's a glitch or what, but you can do it.
I didn't actually know about that, probably because the game doesn't tell you. I've 100%ed the game a few times but never accidentally made a new save that way. At any rate, thanks for the info.
ExoParadigmGamer No problem! I only know because of a Let's Play I saw a couple years ago.
Oh interesting yet awesome.
It's probably intentional.
Probably not intentional at all.
I'm sorry, but.............Whenever you say Pinna's park you sound like you're saying........................You know what forget it.
Ness in Pajamas Penis Park
Ness in Pajamas That was the joke
Ness in Pajamas that's what happens when italian words get pronuced by english speaking persons
I thought he was doing it on purpose, was he not?
Simon White It's actually called Pinna Park, so maybe he meant to say Pinna's..
I love how Bowser finally has a speaking role , and then right after he talks , they use an old growl sound byte from the N64 days .
"It's nice to see Mario not run around an ice world or a desert for once"
Super Mario Odyssey:
"Yea.... BUUUUUUUt, how bout an ICY DESERT??? Huh? Huuuuuuh?"
This is definitely one of my favorite videos on Mario Sunshine, a huge inspiration for my video on the game! Thanks Mr Exo :)
Funny how they named the final stage CORONA Mountain
This review about perfectly portrays how I feel about Sunshine. I appreciate your fairness to this game!!
Also, I like the blue coins, they're pretty fun, and way over hated (I also feel that way about this game, I feel like people just hate it to just hate it)
The best 3D platformer of all time, IMO. Even with the two bad stages, this game is incredible. The atmosphere, the controls, the level design. I love everything about it. It's probably one of my top 10 games of all time.
michaeloffgrid Don't forget it has 480p support!
Hold up... The goo is clearly removed by water, it simply disappears when FLUDD touches it. Why don't they just wait until it rains? There are clearly clouds in the sky, so there must be rain. Why make Mario, boyfriend of the royal family, have to clean it u and forbid his leaving? Are they trying to start a Mushroom-Delfino War?
Harry Manocha amazing
Mario had to clean it or hed sit in jail.
You know what ignore my comment good shit😂
Well in Paper Mario TTYD there’s a pianta mafia
Sunshine was better than Galaxy and I don't care what people say.
I've loved Sunshine for so long, so underrated and aged better than most 3d platformers from that era.
bLueSp1n Galaxy 1 is my favourite game of all time but sunshine was still very enjoyable
I actually really liked this review. Everyone gives sunshine hate, and while I've never played sunshine, I can immediately tell just form this review how overly hated it is. It seems that you out of all the game reviewers are actually FAIR with games that are under or overrated. Great job, and I can't wait to see the conker's bad fur day ror!( you played the music at the end so it's pretty obvious).
26:05-26:40: I'm sure you had alot of fun there. I legit laughed at Eric's accusing you of hiding the bananas. XD
Okay.
But when are you going to do a RoR episode of super mario 64 ds?
Listen, you
We're waiting for an answer.
Roge9 he said he did your dumb
Good gawd this is just as bad as that old meme of the completionist...
Silver Blade28 All-Star Pack! I forgot all about that.
Comments % guess:
50% Upcoming review recommendations
35% Mario Sunshine nostalgia
14% Criticism over Sunshine
1% Cuccs like me guessing comment percentages... Ya cuccs.
19:52
Ah, the days before Odyssey
I still think there needs to be a Super Mario and Luigi Sunshine where you play as the brothers simultaneously, swapping between them and utilizing their respective power tools (FLUDD and the Pultergust 3000) as needed or desired.
Three Words:
I’m a Chuckster.
This game honestly is one of my favorites of all time. The only thing I have against this game is the fact that I used to cash in my blue coins right when I got 10, and that's on me
7:50 that line was delivered with such confidence that I had to laugh. Love it.
I pretty much discovered your channel 2 days ago and you're already one of my new favourite game analysts. I actually get inspired to play more games from your videos.
KEEP IT UP
While listening to this I was thinking about how awesome an HD version would be with the cut content added back in, and then that is what you said at the end. I would love to have an HD version on the Switch. Odyssey is shaping up to be a lot of fun and I haven't been this excited for a Mario game since Galaxy 1. Odyssey alone makes me want a Switch.
You know what would fix the blue coin problem? A checklist! There is a status screen in the game so I have no idea why they didn't think of that. If you could see you have found, let's say 17/30 blue coins in one world, you'd know where to look for them and it's way easier keeping track of which ones you've got on your current playthrough. Also, some players who play the game for the first time might spend some blue coins before getting all of them. And those stars are displayed as hidden stars on the stats screen. So it's hard to tell if the missing stars are hidden stars you haven't found or 10 blue coins you've missed. Splitting them up on the stats screen would also make that a lot easier. Because that's what I did on my first playthrough. I couldn't remember if I actually did the poison river one and there were a few stars left. So I went into every world never knowing how many blue coins are left in it and often times I had no idea where to look for them and how many are actually left to find. Having a checklist would have made that so much easier!
33:56
SPSS, eh? Well, you sir, have earned yourself a new subscriber. I love seeing stats being used properly.
Shockingly underrated, like so many Nintendo GameCube games.
Dude the whole system is underrated
@@user-wb3pq4xo7x GameCube deserved A LOT MORE
21 Millions was pretty bad for GameCube, one of the best consoles ever made
Okay, so having watched you play some of this game at Twitch, I think this review is a little biased. You are clearly very experienced with the game, which likely means you're no longer experiencing some of the frustrations that people have with this game. Especially in the case of blue coins, which you were finding so quickly, it was almost as though you were doing a speed run.
From the perspective of someone who doesn't know where all the blue coins are, you basically have to re-explore the entire level every episode because some might've popped up where you couldn't find them, before. That is tedious. Even worse if you missed one, in which case you have to go through every episode to find it, because the game tells you how many you've collected from the levels but not from which episodes.
You are right
My main problem with blue coins is that I did what you said most people do, and waited till after I beat the game to go back and get the blue coins. I've also been slowly 100%-ing the game over a timeframe of years, so I have no idea which coins I have a which I don't. because of that, looking them up doesn't help me because I'd have to go to the location of most of them, so my only real hope is restarting from scratch.
I absolutely adore this game. It was my first Mario game, and it's my favorite video game of all time. If someone were to ask me why that is, I would direct them to this video to explain it perfectly. This game defined my childhood, and I'm so glad I can say that it still holds up as an objectively well-made game.
Before I watch this i just wanna say thank you. Thank you people like you to continue making content for this gsme. Im so happu it wasnt forgotten. This is my favoriye game of all time and I get so nostolgic with this.
blue coins are the original koroks
Nintendo: "Remember the Blue Coin side quest from Super Mario Sunshine everybody hated for how tedious it was? Let's do that... times 100... for the newest Zelda"
MasterGameplay you guys know you don't have to get em all
I know, but there's a completionist part of me that says I do for a game I love this much tho :)
Except the blue coins help you complete the game - the Koroks just give you a lump of golden poop.
Loroks are worse, as they impact the gameplay by being unlocks for inventory upgrades. Blue coins only count for non-critical Shines, and the only thing getting them all unlocks is the final ending, which IIRC is like one CGI image. You can ignore them completely if you aren't interested.
So people clamor for years how they want "open world Mario" but then everything they hate about Sunshine is the open world parts?
I guess you just gotta decide if you want to play a game to follow instructions or play a game to explore and discover on your own
42:20 "Sunshine is inferior to 64 anyway because it isn't as classic or revolutionary!"
If you only want to play games that are revolutionary, you probably shouldn't playing games from 10+ years ago.
Glad we share the same opinion on Sunshine's controls, snapping straight into a side flip was so awesome! Sunshine's one of the extremely small number of games where I really actively went for 100%, not just "some time later", but really as soon as I got it and beat it. Platforming perfection.
This game is great and holds up to this day. I hope to see a sequel one day.
I agree on the blue coins, hunting them down is so much fun!
(It's definitely better than 900 Koroks, thank goodness those are only a side quest xD)
This review was crazy good. So much depth and insight. Incredible job, man. subbed.
Sunshine is my favorite among the 3D platformers. The focused theme, the voice acting (a rare occurrence for me until I started Final Fantasy games), and the well working camera seal the deal. It may seem odd to take away Mario's punch, kick, and long jump, but with FLUDD they would be redundant. FLUDD is one of my favorite robot voices. The final boss is hit or miss, but at least it was more in line with the axing-the-bridge concept, because it is implausible for someone of Mario's size to beat Bowser (who was gigantic in that tub) in a fistfight. The Mecha-Bowser Rollercoaster fight is one of the most memorable boss battles in any game for me.
I would enjoy an HD remake, though I wouldn't mind 64 getting a Switch version first. Throwback Galaxy was such a tease. I was disheartened by the absence of Isle Delfino in Odyssey, even a "watered-down" (LOL) representation would have been appreciated.
YES! YES! YES! Thank you sooo much! You have said everything I have been trying to say for years! Super Mario Sunshine is my absolute favorite 3D Mario game for all the reasons you so expertly explained. The only opinion I have that would contradict yours is that blue coins are not my favorite sidequest. I certainly don't dislike them - heck, I even find it rather enjoyable to collect them - but I wouldn't go as far as to say they're my favorite. Aside from that, I agree with everything else you've said, and you've definitely done justice to this fantastic game. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to your next video.
Jakk Same I agree with everything you said there.
A lot of your statements about the game's difficulty come from fore-knowledge; as you've said, you've played the game to completion 7-8 times. That's over 7-8 times more than the average person has dedicated to the game, and most statements regarding difficulty are coming from their first time to it; which is generally the peak of how difficult that part of a game can be for that person. "It's easy to collect 100 coins when you know what to do" is not a good argument because it ignores the process of finding that out, which, for a lot of players, results in trial in error to discover which episode/location gives the most coins. Comparing the levels to Mario 64 the levels are more complex and coins feel more spaced out because of it. There are people who play Pinna Park, go to the carnival first, look for all the immediate coins, realize they may have missed some on the beach, and try to leave only to discover the game won't let them back out, go back to the carnival to look for every other coin they can find, and discover that there's not enough, that they wasted their time and have to start over. *This is bad design, as it's not something they would be thinking about when first doing it.*
Hey, If you know all the actions and timing it takes to beat Battletoads, it's actually not that hard! I guess battletoads is an easy game now and everyone's been overexaggerating it this whole time!
What your analysis here is missing is look at these challenges from the perspective of someone figuring it out, not someone that already knows what to do. When you say there's 30 hidden blue coins in a stage and those blue coins can be contextualized by the current episode, the actions a person has to exhaust to find all of them sans a guide makes for a less interesting time. "15% coins are obscure" might not seem much to you, but it means that sooner rather than later a player will come across a point where they did everything they thought to do in a level, find 29 blue coins and get all the shine sprites, scour again and again and not find that last coin, despite their honest effort. At that point, the good will towards 100% completion is in jeopardy.
Considering the Pinna park thing and the eventual experiences that there is at least some coins that are hidden by episodes: It doesn't matter what you **already know is the actual amount**. The player experiencing the game for the first time **doesn't know that**. They don't know how many coins are going to be obscure but when you find at least 3 coins that are hidden that way, you gotta assume that *any one you can't find immediately* are like that because you have no idea what the rest of the coins are like, forcing you play the level in a way that's not something most people readily enjoy.
"If something looks out of place, just spray it! It's that simple." Then they wouldn't be complaining about it, now would they? I'm not saying you shouldn't find something fun that you find fun, but because of the way Sunshine is laid out, it limits the number of playstyles that people have towards it. There are people who prefer not having to look up a guide for 100%, and there are people who don't mind. Sunshine is not a game that allows both of these people to be happy.
I had fun with sunshine myself, but I didn't do 100%, like I did with Galaxy 1/2, and 64. The reason more people hold those games in a higher regard is because those games' designs regard more people.
CleaveTheDragon You 100% SMG 2?! How did you get the final star?! That's too hard for me.
Well your perspective is just someone who doesn't want to put in a lot of work to get 100%. Fully completing a game should be a challenging, and naturally tedious the first time. If it was easy it wouldn't feel special doing it. Even as a kid I did not have much trouble figuring out which episodes had the most coins. Finding all of the blue coins is frustrating though, but I don't see how it's any different from 100% any other game that has collectible items. Blue coins and 100 gold coins sprites are all optional, not required to be the game.
I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I was writing and re-writing a comment for this video some minutes ago before giving up, but here you said what I wanted and much more.
I finished 100%ing this game yesterday, and as someone that despises looking up guides, I felt immensely frustrated when searching the last 2 blue coins for each level.
I couldn't find them, and when I did look for a guide, I felt infuriated for some of them (like the Ricco harbor one that had you spraying a random section of the brick wall near the tower with the secret) because really, how would someone find some of these normally?
Another flaw that I see in Sunshine's design is that 79 shines are entirely optional!
One of the most fun things from Mario 64 is that you could use your skills in exploring the world in order to progress through the game, and you had the ability to focus on clearing your favorite levels out, while grabbing little to no stars in your least favorite levels, while also adding some secret stars to the mix, all of which made reaching the final level a very versatile experience, but sunshine threw that out of the window for no good reason.
EPG said that it was forgivable because it works well with the story of the game, but in my perspective, the case is that the story of the game is crippling its versatile design, and since the story is nowhere near to being a selling point, this gets to be an overall bad design decision.
This is coming from someone that's studying for a bachelor's in game design. I hold the opinion that unless your intention is to make a niche game, (looking at you, dark souls) a well-designed game is a game that tries to cater to every person that doesn't dislike the game's genre.
I also had fun with sunshine, and since I aim for a collectathon-based experience in my 3d Mario games, I actually rank it second in between them, losing only to Mario 64. But the game has some severe flaws, and in a more critical perspective, I see it as the weakest 3d Mario title.
- Damn, excellent analysis. I think this criticism extends to a lot of Sunshine's gameplay. I just finished playing through it for the very first time, and there were definitely shines I had to look up the walkthrough just to know what I was supposed to do. Whether that's because of not adequately teaching play mechanics (the Boo boss fight in the casino), hidden controls (knowing to pick up the chain chomp's tail and not try and break it), or wonky hit boxes, the game just has way too much frustration for me, and probably a lot of average players. There's no checkpoints, which made me ragequit years ago in the waterfall stage after falling all the way down one to many times, and a lot of sections the camera is HORRIBLE (climbing to the ferris wheel). People who've played this game a lot know how to get around them, but for the average player, it's more likely they'll have problems. So yeah, good comment XD
I completely agree with this. I typically love watching EPG’s videos, and I agree mostly with this one too (as I do enjoy the game), but I think your comment he completely missed the mark on, and tried a little too hard to prove a point (using percentages to prove a point about blue coins). EPG was thinking completely in terms of 100% completion, not the players first time playing where 100% may not be their goal at the time.
When I first jumped into the game, I noticed the structure of the game was similar that of Mario 64 (it is its sequel you know). Both games have a hud world, different levels to jump into, with the ultimate goal of collecting a shine/star. And being that this is a collectathon, you would expect the number of shines in your inventory matters in terms of beating the game, but it doesn’t. Now you do have to collect shines to beat the game, but it’s the particular shines you collect that matter, not how many. As I did jump straight from Mario 64, and its hinted in the beginning of this game, I thought the emergency system text hinting where to go next was a response of how many I just collected. So I kept collecting. Which leads me to one of my biggest gripes with the game, the game never hints to you that numbers don’t matter. It doesn’t tell you which shines are the triggers, it doesn’t tell you isle delphino shines or blue coins don’t help beat the game, it doesn’t tell you you have to fight shadow Mario 7 freaking times to fight bowser. I was thoroughly pissed when I read online that half the stuff I did wasn’t helping me progress. I didn’t want to 100% the game at that time I just wanted to beat it. If I thoroughly enjoyed the game enough to 100% it, then I would.
I’ve never had a game do this to me so obliviously. Typically, the more you collect, the more you progress by either upgrades or something similar. In Metroid, the more you collect the stronger you get. In DKC2, the more bonus coins you get the more extra levels you get to play. Here, collecting extra shines doesn’t help you at all during your adventure.
There is no better example than the blue coins. I have no issue that they exist how they are (though they could have been implemented better, a simple menu showing how many you need in each episode of a level would have been enough), my biggest issue is your reward for getting them. Why get a shine for 10 blue coins that don’t help you proceed in the game? Why not use the blue coins for something like fludd upgrades or to unlock more special stages? That means the ONLY use for the 240 blue coins is to 100% the game, that’s it… either collect them all or don’t bother with any of them.
And that’s a shame cause blue coins had potential. This whole game had better potential, which is why I wrote this long comment. I really think this game had the potential of being the best 3D Mario game if they would put more thought into the details. Maybe a sequel is in order that wouldn’t be rushed.
really impressive video! I've never been a huge fan of the game, but I haven't played it since launch, and this vid makes me want to give it another chance. I need to check out your other vids now!
To this day I still say this is your best video yet. Keep up the great work exo.
I hope you review the Prime Trilogy...
Squiding Squid He still hasn't finished his walkthrough
Squiding Squid And there will be a fourth game
A great tip for the underwater hover nozzle sections is always be in the over the shoulder camera angle. I NEVER play those sections in any other camera angle, it makes it so much easier!
This is the first video I've watched your channel. While I was a little bit skeptical during the beginning, I think your review made up for it. This is probably one of the best reviews I've seen for a game. And I like that a lot more reviewer TH-cam channels are doing these kind of styled reviews. This video clearly shows how good they can be.
If the other videos on your channel are like this, I might just watch a few more.
very well designed video. this would be my go-to video when I would want to convince people that super mario sunshine really wasn't that bad!! everything you covered completely matched the feeling I had about this game all along. I always felt people jumped the hate-train a bit too much when it came to this game and found it a bit weird due to how good it looked for its time and how good it comes along today.
btw, this is coming from someone who had a huge wow factor on mario 64. this def made me curious about your other review video's since I really appreciate how well articulatec you were on this issue
Finally, someone mentions Sunshine's beautiful controls. It's honestly the biggest reason I love the game so much. There an example of streamlining done right: rather that cutting abilities for the same of accessibility, they found a novel input method that was both more accessible and just as deep.
Man, when this showed up in my recommended videos, I thought no way I'm gonna watch a 50min review of Sunshine, but I guess I'll give it a few minutes? And here I am at the end of the video. I agree with just about everything here.
One thing I would change: Sunshine's controls are not just the best of 3d mario games, but of 3d platformers period. The reason I love this game so much is because I feel so godly with the fludd. I have yet to play another game that offers the freedom and precision of movement Sunshine does. It's friendly towards new-comers but heavily rewards skill. I would love to have a remake on Switch.
Your analysis is very high quality and detailed man. It brings back all the moments from Sunshine that remind me why I thought it was way better than the Galaxy games.
That was an awesome video for my favorite video game. Thanks for making great content. I think I'm gonna stick around for a little bit longer. Subscribed.
Bet you're a bit disappointed in the fact that the 3D All-Stars port is just an emulated HD version of the original ROM, huh, Exo?
thank you god exo its acknowleged finally!
A 48 minute game review!?!? That’s dedication, great video man 👍
Love your video, man!
My personal opinion on Super Mario Sunshine is very similar to yours, and also, the dificulty is on point for me.
The whole new movement sets that FLUDD brings on is incredible, and if you can master it, you're pretty much golden
Keep up the good work!
How about you do an ROR on DKC GBC finally? It'll even fit in your idea of doing RORs on less-than stellar remakes! Come on, we've been waiting for forever since the DKC3 ROR!
19:54 "Super Mario Sunshine Has Good Physics And Stuff"
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"Super Mario Oddysey Has Good Physics And Stuff"
Great review man. I never got to play Sunshine as a kid so I really missed out, also this, along with Galaxy 1 & 2, are perfect games to play while waiting to get Oddessy (yeah i know it's already out, but I mean for people who still don't have a Nintendo Switch).
Always a good watch dude. Looking forward to whatever comes next.
Hope you eventually make a ROR on the Crash Bandicoot N Sane Trilogy.
Super Mario 3D All-Stars available September 18, 2020
So true
I have to say i love this youtube channel now i dont normally dont watch really long videos but these have so much work put into them and it shows how much he care good job
I completely agree with you about the blue coins, they may not be my TOTAL favorite thing in the game, I always love going through the levels searching for the blue coins. Great video man
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For some reason, in the PAL version, the pipe actually leads you to a bottomless pit
It's been one year and I still agree to everything in this video in 2018.
started watching your videos and I love it! You put a lot of time and effort into your videos and for talk about both views, not just your opinion. You don't clickbait or make videos just to make videos. Keep it up!
Just watched your whole 48 Minutes of this game I used to Play when I was about 10 I think. And I have to say: Thank you. Brought back a lot of great Memories (like my first rage quit ever).
I never got 100%, but I remember every stage that is shown. Now excuse me please. I have a game to complete.
I'm not familiar with you, but this was an amazing and entertaining video. Very good work! Subscribed
My main problem with Sunshine is that for me personally, there was never any real intrinsic reward. Anybody can like Sunshine all they want, but quite frankly, I will NEVER agree that 100% this game is anything other than tedious and frustrating. If you DO find it rewarding, then great. I envy you.
I think Super Mario Sunshine was basically the 3D Mario home console version of the Super Mario Land series.
Because both are weird and take place away from the mushroom kingdom
This video was very well put together and makes sense. Very entertaining. Great job!