RACISM TODAY I How Racism Differs in France vs the USA
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- ⭐ Salut guys, today's topic is about racism in France and the USA. For hundreds of years the black community has been battling racial discrimination worldwide including in France and in the USA. Today's video isn't going to discuss whether or not racism exists (that's a loud YES) nor am I am going to compare whether France or the USA is more or less racist. Both countries have work to do and that's the major focus in fighting against racism to create a world ripe with equality no matter what your race, age, gender, religion, etc..
Today's video is actually going to discuss how racism differs in France and in the USA as I (as a white American female) have witnessed. Racism abroad or at home does of course have some similarities, which I do touch upon at the end of the video. But my main focus is the differences that you see between the two countries based on certain laws and each country's specific history with the black population.
I hope you enjoy the video, but most importantly, I hope that it teaches you something and motivates you (if you're not already) to join the fight again racism. It's up to the entire world, including AND ESPECIALLY those who have benefited from an unfair system for hundreds of years, to take a stand. Please, please check out the ressources below, educate yourself, your family and your community. All voices count in our global fight against racism. ⭐
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- How to be an antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi: amzn.to/2Y8bs22
- Me and White Supremacy: How to Recognise Your Privilege, Combat Racism and Change the World by De Layla Saad: amzn.to/2BbrZsY
- The hate u give by Angie Thomas: amzn.to/2MZnIvl
- Where to begin: A Small Book about Your Power to Create Big Change in Our Crazy World by Cleo Wade: amzn.to/3d5hPax
❤️TV SHOWS/DOCUMENTARIES
- 13th: www.netflix.com/fr/title/8009...
- Dear White People: www.netflix.com/fr/title/8009...
- When They See Us: www.netflix.com/fr/title/8020...
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- About Race with Reni Eddo-Lodge
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Oh Dear... I like you, usually agree with you, like 99%. Here, I don't know where to start. I'm American, & French (Breton, actually). I'm afraid it's even more complicated, down there. First... I guess racism in France is, above all, towards people from North Africa (Arabs and others). Hence the "go back home" message, as most of them are there for much less than 350+ years. Also, they were not forced to come, they chose to (and as you said, enticed to, from the 50s up to the 70s). Then... Here, it gets worse. They are legitimate French citizens, most of them (at least, their parents, then their kids, as offspings of French parents, born in France).
It also goes for many Black people. It's not about slavery. Initially, it was legitimate relocation of French citizens from French colonies. You were right to stress that point.
Then. Past that historical POV. American, French, Whatever, racism is the same. At least, it's effects have similar consequences. Poverty -> Crime/Misdemeanor -> Profiling from Police -> Hasty Justice -> Prison (crime school) -> No job at reentry -> Crime -> rinse & repeat. Same in the US.
No matter the historical context. Same pattern... :/
@@meriadecdarfaouet7139 Piece of paper does not make you a citizen. Life according to certain cultural norms makes you a citizen. So, if you are a Muslim in France, you have to know that that is not the norm. That means you should not impose it, nor expect the rest of the country will treat your cultural/religious background as their own. All across Europe we have cases of Muslims offended by crosses, offended by Christmas trees, church bells and so on. Recently, when Notredamme was in fire, some of them very jubilant over the tragedy. Whether you like to hear it or not, those people do not belong there. They do not feel they do. They feel like a separate entity. Not all of them, of course, are like that. But many are. And now, I think that cases that somebody is told: "go home" for no reason are very rare.
@@ezekiel3791 Wow...where to start.
Actually, a piece of paper does make you a citizen, that's why there are so many people trying to get their papers, i mean legally it does, you can be a christian white person born in africa, if you don't have a french citizenship, then you're not french.
Being muslim in France is not the "norm" ? As opposed to being christian i guess. It's a secular country, your religion is a personal choice and does not interfere with your citizenship. All across Europe you also (and mainly) have cases of muslims just living their faith peacefully, in the meantime we can see in many tv shows and news socalled experts or editorial writers preaching hate towards them (for example, Eric Zemmour, guilty of provocking racial hate by the french justice).
Whether you like to hear it or not, these persons belong to wherever they want to be, white christian people do not own (at least not legally) France.
Now, for a moment, just a simple exercise of empathy : let's say you were born in France, your parents came in the late 70's to work in construction sites and cleaning companies. They came from Algery, live in France for 5 years near Paris, in a poor suburb. They have children (you're one of the 3 they have), they speak french, are muslims but in the same way Jean-Philippe, born in Alsace in the 50's is christian, it's part of their personal history. You now are about 25, consider yourself atheist and are a student in La Sorbonne. Yet, you were inspected by the police way more than any of your white pairs were, you most likely will have an underpaid job compared to them. On top of that, some idiots on the tv shouts you to "go home" ? That's bs.
No one decides where he was born. No one has the right to tell any other human being to go back home just because of his skin color or alleged religion or culture.
Please think harder next time you're writing. Please do think harder.
(Sorry for my poor english)
@@padbra I understand what you mean. And you are right and wrong at the same time. What I want to say is this. According to our society/modern man piece of paper makes you a citizen. But that is wrong. Nothing wrong with the paper, but what is wrong is that we do not look at what is behind that paper. What it means? Our societies lose their values. Whatever they were. Every society needs values. Cultural and spiritual. That does not mean all the individuals will interpret them quite the same way nor we all will reach the same level of "social morality". But we have to agree on some basic principles. And who disagree, can not be part of the society.
I will tell you an example. I don't want you think I am totally against the immigrants or that I blame immigrants for all our problems. On the contrary. I think we turned bad way, and immigrants who differ from our tradition are just the consequence. So, this is the example. When founding fathers founded US, they determined who have rights to vote. And who could vote were "white men of good character". So, you have three categories. Male, white and being moral. Now, it is easy from our perspective to say that was wrong. But let us look at our situation. Who can vote? Basically everybody over 18. And who is everybody? People who commit crimes, lazy people who live on welfare, people on drugs, lunatics who walk out of asylum, enormously stupid and uneducated people... Think about this. By your vote you determine what direction your country is going to. Do people whom I counted can determine any direction? No, because they are lost. They have no compass in their own lives. And as that problem is not enough, you bring in people who have completely different values, just opposite of what you said. You might believe you live in a secular society, but they don't. And that makes things even worse.
In the end, I will say this. What makes you French is holding your traditions. If De Gaule, Camus, Taine, De Tocqueville, Napoleon, Montesquieu, Louis XIV, Jean of Arc, Louis the Saint, Charlemagne rise from their graves, that they can recognize you. They lived in different eras and had different personalities, but there is a thread that connects them all. Do you follow the thread?
P.S. Your English is more than good.
@@ezekiel3791 First, i want to thank you for your long and constructed answer.
You say our societies lose their values. What are we talking about here? Cultural values of France. It's extremely vast. It may refer to Lully, Voltaire, Hugo as well as Zola, Céline, Saint-Saens. Spiritual values, or religious ones ? Spiritual can mean Descartes, Voltaire again, Camus ? Regarding religions, catholicism is the main one, but what do we get here historically ? Wars, segregations, ostracism...and the decision to split social values from religion. In the basics, there is small differences between the three main monotheists religions, the moral values tend to be the same : respect of life, charity to the poor, acting good...i'm atheist, and i'm trying to be respectful, to act good according to my own moral values. Am I wrong ? Is a french catholic whose family tree in France grow back to the 15th better even if he don't respect the values of his own religion ? I strongly disagree with the belief in any god, can i still be part of the society ? I think anyone can have "social morality", and what do we do with those who don't have it and are born french ?
Who can vote in France ? If you're not french, you simply can't, so not fresh (or just not naturalized) immigrants or foreign students, even if they live here for many years. Actually, some elections (municipal and european) can be open to foreign citizens fulfilling some conditions. You actually can be spoiled of this right if you commited a crime and "crazy" or simply handicaped people are usually "sous tutelle" to express their vote. Regarding "lazy people living on welfare" and "uneducated people", it's in the first case an infinitesimal part of the population and in the second has to be definite. I for example think a vast majority of people voting for the RN or any sort of extreme right-wing are uneducated in some way, or at least they should travel a bit and confront themselves to their beliefs. What shall we do with these ones ? Regarding the unsecular societies immigrants lived in, i agree that sometimes it is. But who do you think willingly leave his country to go in a totally foreign one. I would not leave France to go in a country i don't speak the language, where i don't know if i could work or live properly. Because i don't have to, no one threatens my life, nor my family's. Immigrants are not happily going on a journey to invade western countries. They flee, most of the time. Misery, hunger, death, that's what they try to escape, or maybe sometimes they just want to live a better life. Who wouldn't ?
In the end, i'll say this. What makes you French is the place you're born in. I don't hold traditions, i just do what seems the best to do. And celebrating Pâques or going to the "bal des pompiers", no thanks. De Gaulle, Napoleon, Louis XIV ? Not really the most valuable persons for me, and i don't feel the need to be part of a stream i didn't even choose. Why not Churchill, Allende, Socrate, Spinoza ? Why not a bit of everything, to make something better ? I may feel closer to a japanese otaku than i do to some people living in my hometown, and i don't consider it problematic. I feel equally bad for slaves slaughters in Bresil in the 19th-20th century and for 9/11 and for civil wars in Africa. Being human is more important than french traditions, and you might surprise yourself loving other traditions/cultures too if you try it. Don't try so hard to belong to a culture.
While I'm a mixed African American, I was treated 85 times better in France in General. To further clarify the truth of the matter, we need to differentiate the difference between De Jure (government imposed) and De Facto racism. France doesn't have and never had "de jure" racism. They never had disenfranchisement (i.e. literacy tests at polls). They never had laws like "Jim Crow". In other words, France never directly infringed/oppressed the civil and human rights of their civilians in the form of legislation; however, De Facto discrimination exists more globally, including in France. Unlike the US, however, their De Facto discrimination is not and was never influenced by any past events of De Jure discrimination. It more has to do with individual personality.
Most definitely ! That's why it annoys me a bit when even French people of my generation (18-25 years old) claim that racism in France and in the US is the same (especially now with the BLM movement across the world). Historically and culturally, that's just not true !
As you said, racism is more individual in France. I would add that it heavily depends on your social status. So the socio-economic factor is extremely important !
@@vascor.3267 They are just brainwashed by the big US media news giants and their fake news along with the junk in the school textbooks, especially those by Mcgraw Hill. The best way to find out the truth is to talk to nationals from all races and religions, the same from the former colonies. They are most likely to tell the truth. They are the ones who live it.
Going back to your earlier paragraph of BLM and police brutality in France vs US. Most police brutality in France occurs during protests and doesn't involve targeting everyday minorities doing normal things in life. It really is more "Lives matter" there. Also, in France, Guns aren't allowed to used as scare tactics.
The real reason blacks and minorities are safer in France is because of the lack of administrative racial segregation. Finding a victim if minority race is like finding a needle in a haystack; whereas in the US, they just go to the minority neighborhoods, because it's all historically on the map all because of Jim Crow and it's scar.
@@gliese909 Well thank you to speak about it, as a French seeing the American media portray us same as the US is very annoying, the history of the countries are different, the culture also is, the values, everything but still they apply the US socials problems on any other country when an act of racism occurs like it the truth, no, the context is so much more than just that, it's different.
@@anaisc8733 Also, most acts of discrimination in France are survivable because of the lock of the gun. Plus, they are usually linked to scams and pay discrepancies, and do not directly disqualify the victim(s). Whereas, in the US, racism is "run for your life".
It also depends on your nationality.
"What a sad era when it is easier to smash an atom than a prejudice."
- Albert Einstein
lol Albert Einstein was a racist Zionist
@@alexrodgers8987 Not really, tbh. He actually would go to teach black students in black colleges.
As a black french man, your video is very spot on. The down side for not having census data base in ethnicity in France, we will never really know the magnitude of discrimination in France. Therefor no real solution is being implimented. And i can tell you from my one expériences racism is more prevalent in France that we think.
Absence of racial data is delibarately aiming at avoiding to blame people of African origin.
The interdiction of racial data was voted after world war 2 when millions of jews where sent into detention camp where they would die
@@TheKing-bh4xf
No it comes from the stupid and obscurantist law nicknamed informatique et libertés of 1978
Anti dark skin racism is really prevalent in France, particularly from women.
France for the french!
hey french student here! ( and for more information i don't live in Paris). I just would like to share some of my personal experience.
I would never say that they are no racism in France, because they are. But from what i have seen in my life, discrimination base on the color of the skin came mostly from older people, young people are less likely to be "racist" because we were teached since we were kids that racism is "bad". But it doesn't mean that they are no discrimination. From my experience, the discrimination are also base on social class. What i mean is social class people came from have an influence on how people talk, dress, and just behave in general. And unfortunately, disadvantaged social class are more likely to be look down at, and to be discriminate. For exemple in public transport, people will move away from individuals behaving that way, or they may have more difficulties to find a job, or get an apartment. And people will say this is not racism because it is not base on the skin color, but on the behaviour, which is kind of true, but in the same time this is another discrimination suffered mostly by people of color because they represented the majority of this social class. ( Sorry if i made mistake, english is not my first language)
My friend as a black man we don’t care that whites people say racist things. What we hate is your system of oppression and control of African countries.
We are going to deal with this one way or another.
@@kingtutsirai994 Well that wasn't threatening 🙄. I don't know where you are from, personally, I'm french myself, what do mean by controlling African countries, do you mean France or US, or some place else, be more specific.
But I think the hate, towards anybody doesn't change anything but like we say, 'be the change you want to see happen' so if you want to change durably the system, make your way in a position, in the government for exemple when you can make significant changes. Anyway, in France, there is obviously racism, like everywhere, but actions are being taken, soon a new generation will be leading, more open-minded, dynamic and all, so inevitably things always change, everywhere.
@@kingtutsirai994 sounds like you need better leaders and not blame whitey for their lack of leadership.
@@anaisc8733 .
@@anaisc8733 How French system is racism?
France having no racial statistics makes it easy to avoid systematic prejudice. And in my experience, they love the idea of Black Americans, but have a deep-seated superiority complex towards Africans, especially Africans from former colonies.
Hi! I have read and heard on the news a lot about this recently so great points to bring up. Also really relevant about racism against africans who came from former colonies. 👍
Honestly we have that here too. White Americans love to pick out parts of Black culture to emulate/enjoy to be cute, funny, or cool, but will simultaneously judge that very same culture as "unprofessional" or "unrefined" when it suits them.
En fait en principe les statistiques ethniques sont interdites, je pense en particulier à l'exemple pris sur les quotas ethnique dans les universités. C'est certain que c'est irréalisable en France (il y a des quotas sur le nombre d'élèves boursiers (= moyens financiers moindres) pris dans les formations). En fait il est « interdit de collecter ou de traiter des données à caractère personnel qui font apparaître, directement ou indirectement, les origines raciales ou ethniques, les opinions politiques, philosophiques ou religieuses ou l’appartenance syndicale des personnes, ou qui sont relatives à la santé ou à la vie sexuelle de celles-ci ». Il y a toutefois des exceptions très contrôlées : "but poursuivi considéré comme légitime, défense de l’intérêt public, protection des personnes, etc." dont les statistiques peuvent faire partie. Ces exception sont traitées "au cas par cas par le Conseil national de l’information statistique (CNIS) ou la Commission nationale de l’informatique et des libertés (CNIL)"
"Comme le résume assez bien le démographe et sociologue François Héran, il existe quatre niveaux de collectes de données, pour lesquelles les autorisations diffèrent :
-les fichiers nominatifs des administrations et entreprises : il est strictement interdit de collecter des statistiques ethniques ;
-le recensement de la population française, qui contient une question sur le pays de naissance et la nationalité antérieure des personnes ;
-les grandes enquêtes régulières de l’Insee et de l’Institut national d’études démographiques (INED), qui remontent d’une génération et demandent le pays de naissance et la nationalité des parents des interrogés
-les grandes enquêtes de recherche sur des sujets sensibles et dont l’objet d’étude justifie de poser des questions sensibles, à condition de « s’entourer de sévères garanties techniques et juridiques »"
Source : www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2019/03/19/la-difficile-utilisation-des-statistiques-ethniques-en-france_5438453_4355770.html
Donc il existe des statistiques ethniques en France et elles ont notamment pour but de repérer les discriminations. Un exemple de 2013 : www.ipp.eu/actualites/la-discrimination-a-l-embauche-en-france-constats-et-pistes-d-action/
In 50 Years, France will no longer be considered a white nation.
@@romandarius6041 what does mean "a white nation" ??? Is there any interest in being considered as "a white nation" ? And even more, are there a lot of people in 2020 that even wonder if a nation is "white" ?
As a “boomer” African American woman and educator seriously considering moving to Paris, for a year or so…this is an EXCELLENT breakdown of the perspectives of race of the two countries. This is what being an ally looks like.
the answer is no
@@ciaranwalsh2131 Of course. Why wouldn’t you?🤷🏽♀️
@@ciaranwalsh2131 and why’s the answer no😹
@@ms.ednapost because its there country and land the natives should be able to self determine and operate there countries
@@user-rx9zl7iz4d because its there country and land the natives should be able to self determine and operate there countries
I am French. I lived one year in England and the 36 others in France.
I got really shocked (in a negative way) when I had to answer about my race for university inscription in England. I remember being “Other European background”. First, I didn’t want to be just another background and second I was going with a friend who is Black. We both considered to be only French and we were so pissed to check a box and not the same one. Someone told us it was compulsory to prevent racism. It was really difficult to understand how we must be separated to be perceived the same at the end. I now accept that as a cultural difference but there is still something weird in my mind about it.
I really think in every country we get to be very creative to create new ways to hate people and I guess each country, according to its history and its actual situation has its own version of racism. Your video is really good but it is difficult to speak about racism in France without speaking about Arabic people. France is a pretty racist country (and the recent days keep going this way) with a lot of communities but we have a huge hate about people from Maghreb. Of course, I speak in general. Not each and every person in France is racist and not each and every person specially is racist against Arabic people.
Sorry for my English. I hope I was easy to understand. And of course, all form of racism must be frighten.
*fought.
Your English was brilliant well done. Now I am not a white English person but I am black British man.
I am friends with a white french woman, someday I was thinking of visiting her in Paris.... Which is the reason why I wanted to know a bit about the level of racism in Paris or in France in general. I just want to be prepared for any prejudice or racism experience that I might encounter.
This is very interesting. It seems like you have to live in France for a number of years to really get a true perspective on what race relations are like. I can honestly say that as a black American, my initial perspective, when visiting Paris for the 1st time in 2013 (for only 1 week :), was that I really didn't feel anything that struck me as racism. It actually stood out to me as strange and refreshing at the same time. There had never been a time in my life that I felt so comfortable around white strangers and it felt like they were comfortable (or indifferent) towards me as well. If there is racism it definitely doesn't hit the same as in the US. Being black in France was a very newvand different feeling. It actually took some getting use too. But on the flip side, I also noticed that ppl are a lot less out going and tend to keep to themselves, so its a catch 22. Nevertheless, it intrigued me and made me want to visit again soon for a longer period of time.
There is racism for sure, as everywhere, but it isn't the same as in the US, in France it is rude and shameful to say that you are racist or you don't 'like' a type a people based on their skin color, or religion, gender or anything, it is just not acceptable to say it so I guess it is a softer 'racism'.
It is shameful because of what happened to us in the world wars, the horrors were based on skin, religions, sexual orientation, the way you looked, well you get the picture, so it still very much in the mind that such a claim is shameful and a thing not be pride of. Whereas I'm astonished to see, Americans nazis for exemple, being interviewed and openly racist and proud.
In France it would be sanctioned immediately for racism and hate, not even allowed to spread such a speech in the media.
So I don't say that we dont have flaws and racism, but it's very different and more personal I would say, of course it happens that some people are open about it but it's rare, it usually doesn't end well for one to say being racist and proud.
That's because you were in Paris 👍
From a black frenchy 😉
If you want to know more of the truth to the matter, see my comment is this video. I definitely agree with you.
@m nAh.
French Karens are fun tho 😂 !!!
I've been in several villages in the center of France (I'm from Bourgogne originally).
In some small cities it's a catastrophe.
And at the same time, strangely, you find small villages, and small cities just not really far, where people are really good and not hostile about your origin.
But the place I've grown up, was pretty BAD.
I'm just going to say that when adults hurt you so much that you begin to think that you are not normal and wants to be white when you're a kid, you finally see how F UP those people were 😬😳.
But last time I've been there, things really changed in a positive way...
People are less stupid and Less racist than in my memories.
I think the criteria for racism in France relate more to foreigners and non Christian people than skin color does. Racism towards North African people seems to be stronger than towards African people. Perhaps because North African people is a larger minority, and that they are more associated with the muslim religion than African people. A lot of black people come from the French overseas territories and are Christians. Consequently they are not considered as foreigners (contrary to North African and African people) and do not face the prejudicies that a muslim person might face in France.
I can only applaud your efforts to learn more on the subject and face the dim reality of ethnic minorities in both France and in the US. It is time that we all sit down at the table of human brotherhood with respect towards each others
You forgot to mention French racism toward asians.
Not every French person is racist, but when you come against one, you'll be surprised by his anti asian stance.
In France, being a racist is more linked to xenophobia. A French bigot will be anti black, brown, yellow, German, English, Greek, Jew, middle eastern... you name it.
I think xenophobia is a lot more common in France than anti-black racism.
Yves Delavignette the same exists in the US
Xenophobia is a great point I didn't bring up in the video. It's true that I focus a lot on the black population in the video, but minorities like asians also face racism and an unfair system!
I don’t agree with you. I feel more enmity towards Arabs than towards Asians.
Marc Marc that’s because you’re not Asian ;) we can also highlight that there’s racism even between minorities, but I believe that in this moment in time it’s more relevant to focus on white privilege/racism towards the black community especially in a 10min video
Racism is indeed not touching only one minority, this is something that is unfortunatly often forgotten. We are not all facing the same racism but at the end it is still racism.
The most heard sentence after you tell someone it is racist : «oh it was just a joke»
Nobody is racist, we just don't understand humor
Thanks for this video. I am a Latina living in the USA for most of my life, and I have felt discrimination in every aspect of life, specially professionally (I have 2 doctorates) where I’ve never had the same opportunities. I hope the younger generation follows your example. Life can be very difficult for non whites in USA.
If you're Latina why won't you just call yourself white, it's not like you're some kinda mestizo 🤣
@@joshjonson2368 maybe she is dumbass
@@joshjonson2368 dont be rude
@@krsn77540 white people don't bitch about workplace discrimination dipshit, cuz they don't work with minorities. They only bitch about the coloureds coming to displace them
@@joshjonson2368 Many years ago Spaniards came to America quicker than the Anglos and now Mexico bitches about not being anglo but spanish, lesson learned
Education is the biggest Weapon
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you're the biggest weapon
@@TwoLeftSh0es what-
Depends who is teaching you.
If they believe in respect but do not behave and speak in a respectful manner they are hypocrites and should not be teaching any body anything until they get their act together.
Knowledge (ofself*) is the biggest weapon for the people, education is the biggest weapon for the government
News flash, France doesn’t want diversity 😁
french of congolese descent here, one important point is that I consider myself French 1st and Congolese 2nd but I don't consider myself "black" and I personally don't see feel any connection to, say, people from the french caribbean (guadeloupe/martinique). The whole experience is different, we still have half of our family in another country, so there's a strong bond with a particular region, to which french black and arab people will often travel to during the summer holiday etc
@Francisco Javier racist nonsense
Nationality and race are unrelated dumbass. Go luck Abascal's ass and stop spouting nonsense
@Francisco Javier lol so here we are with that "replacement" bollocks theory we're in 2020 and there's still people believing in racialist approaches of nationality, sad and pathetic. As long as you grew somewhere and socialised there made friends there you're from that place, same as everyone else, period. Anyway not answering to you anymore got better things to do than trying to argue with fash
French of both Cape verdean and French descent here and I can totally relate ! :)
you're right @Insaneronald, as from Ivory Coast, generally we whose parents came from countries in Africa that were colonised by France we don't always relate with race but with where we came from
Ok, this is TH-cam, so not the greatest place to hold an academic lecture, but _juuuuust_ for the record : before the French Revolution (what we call Ancien Régime), there were no slaves in mainland France (le Royaume de France). It was forbidden by law, to the extent that a slave brought by his master would be instantly freed by setting foot off the boat. The closest there was to a slave position was serfdom (unlike slavery, you do not belong to a master, you are tied to a land), but it applied to the majority of the king's subjects, mostly "whites". Slaves were only allowed in the colonies, but the colonies were not part of the Realm, they operated like private ventures with a loose connection to the State (basically, they paid taxes and duties, and meanwhile no-one was looking too closely on what they were doing). Of course the Crown still had to keep an eye on this, and finally a Minister of Louis XIVth issued a "Code Noir" to regulate slave ownership ; this law was inhumanly harsh, but believe it or not, it came to be mostly after owners *excess* in repression against their slaves. Appalling.
One of the first act of the French Revolution was to kill the old smorgasbord of land statutes within the realm itself and the colonies, so that there was now one France, with the law being the same everywhere. No more duchies, earldom ... each with its own judicial system etc. And in all this new unified territory, slavery was abolished.
If the history had stopped there, it would have looked bad, but we might have swept it under the rug blaming the King's rule, and pat ourselves on the back for having put an end to it with the revolution.
But then came Napoleon, and Napoleon restored slavery at the instance of the land owners in the colonies ; and we finally had to wait until 1848 before slavery was finally abolished once and for all. This tainted forever the legacy of the Revolution, because now the State was entirely complicit of the trade.
Key point : for hundreds of years, the Realm of France profited from slavery while pretending not to know and not to care that much. Much like protesters today send their call to action on social media from their phones, not caring that much where those phones come from and what the working conditions in the factories are. But the restoration of slavery under Napoleon up to 1848 is an unforgivable stain on France's history.
hahah i think it was the perfect place to give some historical background. There is only so much we can touch on in 10 minutes so it's great to deep dive into a subject! Thanks :)
There's no stain in history, let alone forgiveness to ask for. There are only facts to put into context.
Napoleon did not restore slavery, he did not apply the abolishment of slavery on territories recuperated from the english, in other words he chose the status quo most likely under pressure.
Still temporarely since he applied the abolishment of slavery later on at the end of his reign.
@@BStrapper : this is only partly true. Very marginally true, in fact. He decided to apply laws enacted before 1789 to colonies given back to France, laws that had been repealed by the parliament 10 years before ; whatever you say, that counts as a restoration, on the one hand.
On the second hand, he wilfully restored slavery in Guadeloupe and St Domingue (Haïti) that never fell under British domination although both those colonies had freed their slaves before France sent an expeditionary force to reconquer them. This imperial decree was so scandalous it was even hidden in the archives and only located in 2007.
In effect, Napoleon did restore slavery in French colonies. Free blacks in Guadeloupe were put back in slavery, and we lost Haïti. Furthermore, while freed slaves had basic rights under the 1789 regime, they were denied citizenship after Napoleon and mixed-"race" marriages were proscribed as well. Salvery was not consequently considered like a "personal statute" anymore, susceptible of change, but as an immutable consequence of skin colour with no way out, and that is plain textbook racism.
Martinique gouadeloupe Réunion... And no slavery ? Lol
Wow, a very good video. Even as a French person, you taught me quite a few things about my country. Although I think racism in France is concentrated against Arabs and Muslim communities , less so the black people.
because racism in france is about culture and not skin color. No one will discriminate an arab looking french who follow our culture, same with black. Black people from martinique-guadeloupe are never discriminated even tho it is true they are more poor than metropolitan french but this is more a problem of centralization. Muslims are very strongly rejecting french culture and religion and this create Racism toward them unlike Black people from French island. Africans coming in france will encounter racism if their culture is too different but not because of their color.
@@colorfulbleeding I get how its still prejudice but truthfully, I feel like thats a notch better than hating someone off theie skin tone. You cant pick the color you're born but you most definitely can choose youre religion. In a sense, if we are going to class religion under discrimination then American politics should be classed too. Your treatment is based on which political party you side with
Never read so much bs. Oh and by the way, wouldn’t it be you strongly rejecting Islam rather than the other way round ? Just asking for a friend
@@karimremini4517 please elaborate, I am confused
@@colorfulbleeding arrête de mentir adolf ...
I'm french, thank you for this opportunity to learn more...
Affinity with a person depends a lot on what one can recognize as good for oneself for his life. His lifestyle, his culture, his beliefs, his behavior, teach us about compatibility and the possibilities of sharing. That one does not seek to enrich a relationship can come from a contempt with more or less roots but also from a personal inability to modify one's patterns, especially unconscious ones.
I believe that today we must realize the immense power of influence and conditioning of the environment and the media, we each decide rather little in the end. The best way to know that the other is not a strange thing, an ennemy or a monster, is to meet him while being honest and simple. The danger is precisely to think that you still have something to fight - something is very quickly someone in a battle - and to politicize everything as we do.
Evil is no more than the effects of the invasion of the good of others.
I'm from North America and thought I knew what racism was all about but, it wasn't until I visited France that I really understood what racism in your face feels like.
Overall, after spending 2 weeks in France and getting to know the people, I feel like I left France with a bitter taste in my mouth, especially the old white French people, they were the absolute worst.
Which part of France ?
Where in France ?
France is about culture, if you came there and not adapting to the culture you will get rejected. Your skin color or geographic place in the world is not what trigger french rejection your willingness to follow the culture will be.
shut up and be grateful you are in a country like France
@@avortinus6031 Avignon, Marseilles, Versailles, Paris and St Remy.
I really appreciate how much effort you put into each of your videos! Great job :)
Thanks so much! Really kind to point out. I've been trying to up my editing game!
I'm a long-time fan of your channel and I really appreciate you taking the time to speak up and discuss the importance of anti-racism. I've had interesting conversations with French friends and colleagues about this and look forward to hearing more.
Hi Jamia, Thanks for watching the video (and the others!) and leaving your comment! So important to start taking conversations offline and face to face with the people you interact with, so really happy to hear that you are starting to discuss with people you might not have before!
Thank you for this vidéo, I always love the way you explain the difference of point of view between French and American. I think it helps to understand why we could react differently.
I also read all the comments, most are really instructive.
On my side, I’m French, white but with a muslim name and I grew up in a poor side of the city. I think like many of the comments that today, in France, the racism depends more on the religion (Probably because French people are so reluctant to speak about religion due to our revolution) and from where you live than on your colour skin (Even if we couldn’t deny it is a sad reality, we can’t also deny that racist people will have a stronger reaction if they suspect that you are not muslim than if you are black but catholic)
Fortunately for us, the education system and the schoolarship system offer us more chance to improve our life, simply because it’s base on our parent incomes than only on the student capacity, like that, even if you are not the best student, you still have the opportunity to have a good education and a diploma.
Thanks for the comment and sharing your story. I"m realizing how education plays such a big role in the comments, i wish I could have touched on that because it is so different with the USA!
Great content, thank you. It’s very interesting indeed to see the different ways racism has affected and been addressed in the two countries. Also bravo on the editing. You have been upgrading and it shows. You’re almost to 10000 subscribers, will you do a Q&A?
I have been upgrading! Learning little by little, lol. I didn't think about the Q&A, but since I did one for 5,000 maybe it's a good time to do it again!
Thank you for that very interesting video.
As I have seen in some other comments, I would say that one of the most important differences between racism in USA and France is that in USA racism is mostly towards black people, but in France it's mostly towards people with origins from north-Africa. Black people in France are not as stigmatized as them.
Anyway, very interesting everything in the video. Thank you!!
I would rather say the racism towards Blacks is more a "paternalist" one, whereas towards North-Africans is more an "agressive" one.
Racist is a Judeo-Bolshevik Propaganda term invented by Leon Trotsky. Only white people are called racists.
@@romandarius6041 nope, many other groups are called racist
Hi UF, there are still some specifics u didn't mention BUT you really did a wonderful job. As a French speaking black man, absolutely not used to that kind of initiative, I'm impressed and I commend you in the hard work you did. FÉLICITATIONS
As a black woman in the US, thank you for this video. It is one of the opportunities for people to get good information in a non-preachy way. One thing...when you said that in the US we don't really hear "go back to where you came from", that's mainly true. However, even if it was said, where would we go back to? most of us have no idea where our ancestors came from...slavery intentionally and systematically destroyed our heritage, language, culture and religion for the most part. And now there is a whole market that exists where we now have to spend money to figure out our origins...now isn't that a crime? So yes there is a lot more to unpack, but thank you for your effort. Maybe in 2-3 more generations we might beat racism...I am hopeful.
As long as people are different, there will always be racism and prejudice. It’s not the race or the skin color, it’s just that people are tribal. If it wasn’t race it’d be something else. People act like white people out there just goin around bein racist af all the time. Maybe in Alabama back in the woods somewhere but hey I’m not trying to walk down the wrong street in Jamaica either. I’d place my bets on a black person walking in a white neighborhood in Alabama than a white person walking in the wrong neighborhood in Jamaica any day.
Hey, you're dealing with a hot topic and most things you say are true, but I think there are some nuances to bring so that there are no misunderstandings. For sure racism exists in both countries and, as you mentioned, under different forms. But as histories are different, I have to clarify that French population is composed as well of descendants of slaves in the overseas islands, but there was not apartheid as in the US, so the population is mostly metis, as during colonial times, there was some crossbreeding much more often than in the British colonies, and this crossbreeding happened with former slaves, and also with autochthons. And since the abolition of slavery in 1848, their descendants have been considered as French citizens. Of course, it was not all flowers and rainbows for them, and the tensions between former slaves and former owners were quite high for some time. But now, if you go to Guadeloupe, Martinique or the Reunion, people who are native from those islands, identify themselves as creoles, and very few people in metropolitan France, even the extreme right, would dare to tell them to go back home. Just some ignorant people would. And I think, for people who have some racist tendency, they make a difference between Creoles and more recent African immigrants. For millennia, France has been a place where people of different ethnicity would live together, fight each other,etc, and the whole population can be hardly reduced to a single ethnicity, if you start doing genealogy, people would be surprised I guess. And in the last century, the immigration has intensified due to wars and France has seen a lot of waves starting with Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, African, Vietnamese, etc. You name it. And every time a big wave was coming, there were some tensions, but for different reasons. And in the recent immigration waves, after decolonization, I think the biggest tension creating racism has been not because of ethnic origin, but more about religion, and it is still a big issue in public debate. As the previous waves were mostly Christian, the melting has been very smooth, in one generation, people considered themselves as fully integrated, thanks to the similar culture. And everyone agreed with the secular system, but now, this secularism is kind of in danger because some minorities are asking for arrangements because of their religion, and this is not really accepted by a part of the population (right and extreme right) because they see this as a violation of the constitution. So, in response, those minorities are denouncing racism. It's true that the recent immigrants were kind of parked in remote suburbs and it doesn't make their life easier, and it created communitarianism which is bad for integration in society. I have to mention that originally, those disfavored suburbs were not only occupied by immigrants, but also by poor French families, in the end, it's not their origins that created violence and delinquency, but poverty. Anyway, as mentioned in another comments, there are attempts to reduce inequalities like giving more money for education in those suburbs, but it's not 100% efficient, unfortunately, everybody has challenges and if you go to rural places in France, young people are facing the same challenges, but without some extra-help for education or activities, it relies only on them so, some people are feeling some injustice as well in the countryside, hence the gilets jaunes.
plutôt bien résumé. sadly true
i agree with everything, except a bit for education help, i think it's available everywhere, i grow up in a town with barely 2000 inhabitants and some people could still get benefice from the helps
C'est un bon pavé. ^^
@@audebattistolo1805 Ouais, désolé. C'est juste pour mettre les choses dans leur contexte.
@@cecilelpt5808 That's true, I also come from a rural area and got the chance to complete higher education, mostly thanks to my parents who supported my housing, but for many families in a rural area, it can still be challenging despite the stipend you can get for studying. In France at least, we have the chance to get some financial support from the state and anyone with enough motivation can do it, but it remains hard for lower classes. If you check statistics, most students coming from modest families will opt for shorter studies and are more prone to complete a BTS or go to university till the BSc or MSc meanwhile students whose parents are cadres or another higher class will be over-represented in engineering schools, business schools and grandes écoles. But it's true in the last decade they tried to correct this to allow young from disfavored suburbs to access to Sciences Po or others, but this applies for suburbs, if you're from a rural area, you have to go through the normal selection process.
The thing I always loved about France was the beautiful, complex idea of being French before anything else. In the US I feel like a second citizen sometimes because I have a little bit of a foreign accent and I'm not considered American but have citizenship and this is my home!
Complex indeed!
And a political decision of the 19th century taken after a war between France and Germany, in fact the one just before WWI.
France lost the war, Paris was occupied and the government assessed that the root cause was the absence of a real French identity. The soldiers didn't really care about winning the war for France because they didn't define themselves as French.
At the time, very few French people spoke French and defined themselves as French. And this was not overseas, this was in continental Europe. They defined themselves as Bretons, Basques,... - more or less the current french regions - and spoke local languages.
So the government decided to change that, to transform the inhabitants of France in French people. The first step was to enforce the usage of the official language instead of local languages, and use school as the place where French people were to become French.
@@nco1970 Le français comme langue officielle date de Francois 1er. Par contre on a commencé à interdire les langues régionales plus "récemment" et s'est avec l'école obligatoire que cela a pu être fait.
@@chlore2amine Tu as tout à fait raison. J'aurais dû me relire ou le faire en Français. Je voulais dire qu'ils avaient voulu obliger les gens à utiliser le Français. Je vais corriger de ce pas. Merci.
I'm African American and this is an amazing video from such a genuine place. And I love what you said at the end, all of us can do a part to make this world a better place for EVERYONE. So true.
beautiful video :), I'm black (American) and living in France and I have some experience with microaggressions in France, but nothing like the US
That's interesting to hear, can I ask what you mean by this? Do you maybe have an example of something you would or would not encounter in the 2 countries?
@@estherjohannes9785 Sure, the one incident that I remember, is I was on the metro with my best friend from the US (she's white) and we were speaking in English, there was a lady in front of us who heard us speaking and she asked where we were from. We both said the US and she was like "even you because you're a little dark", then she continued to ask "how long" I had lived in the US. In the US, I have been stopped and asked to show ID, for example, I was walking to my brothers' house and I was stopped by a truancy officer because they thought I was skipping class (I was 23 at the time) and he actually pulled out his taser gun when I went to reach for my ID to show him that I was an adult.
Hi Chrisbit1, I am also from the USA and not black but look Hispanic ( I am not Hispanic) which in France and Europe means Arabic( I am not Arabic). I have been living in France since 1991 and I must say that I had never experienced racism that bad in the USA like I have experienced in France (This is way before our current clown was elected). Dealing with french administrations/bureaucracy is a nightmare if you are not white, trying to rent an apartment if you are not white, trying to get inside a night club. I could write a 500 page novel about open racism in France and Europe for that matter. But must admit that I have never been mistreated by French police and only stopped once for control of my papers in 30 years. I did have bad experiences with some cops who acted like true racists, but I have never been scared of the French police, and never did one threaten me with any kind of violence or false arrest. I also have only good things to say about French hospital staff and or doctors. The question I keep asking myself is "Are the French racist because of your color or because of your origins"? maybe Marine le Pen can answer that...Is racism bad in the USA, yes it is very bad, and since that clown got elected its become even worse and more dangerous
@@oscarmatou7784 For the French racist a french people is a white guy with Christian culture. Even if you were born in France...
@@sirabadji9728 because france IS a country forged by judeo-christian culture and white people ( I'm nor white nor a believer)
Really informative video, Kate. Bravo to you for tackling this important topic!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! 👌
Hello. I discovered by hasard your video. I am french, retired now. I worked all my life as a teacher in school in what we call "Quartiers prioritaires", poor districts of my town. I even specialized in this job. Of course i had during my life work time a lot of of blacks, north african origins. A lot of of whites too. I never see in front of me red, black, purple or whatever skin colors, but children coming from poor districts. Of course, chidren of immigration are more often poor than old french population, but really, you have poor whites too. So these "ghettos" are more poors vs middle class or rich than whites vs africans (or other origins). I hope my english is enough to be understandable)
La vérité c'est que les régions paysannes et ex-industrielles du nord sont bien plus pauvres. Le sentiment d'abandon est aussi présent dans les territoires ruraux.Et pourtant les taux de criminalité sont quasi nuls.
@@OptLab peut etre pcq ils ont pas la police sur le dos dans les regions rurales et du nord....
balance tes sources aussi pcq j'ai comme l'impression que ce sera valeurs actuelles
@@RoseJackson1607 tu as raison sur ce point, le Nord plutôt touché par la délinquance à l'échelle de la région. Mais ce que je veux dire c'est que les classes ouvrières et les paysans sont très loin d'être le gros de la délinquance. Si tu google délinquance carte France, tu peux voir que ce sont les territoires de banlieues qui sont touchées.
Oui la comptabilisation est un autre débat. Si les victimes ne portent pas plainte, ça n'est pas comptabilisé dans les données.
Oui je fait le lien entre immigration et délinquance dû à des facteurs sociaux. Evidemment je ne fait pas de lien entre éthnicité et délinquance.
This is so true, I had to go the hospital to have a procedure done and my step brother who was visiting from Paris and is also a doctor came with me. He could not believe the questions on the form I had to fill out. He said that it would be illegal in France. It is a shame racism is everywhere. Though it seems worse in the U.S. and the U.K.
Was he shocked by the hospital bill too?! 😁
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified Haha yes though as doctor TBH he gets envious he thinks it is so great here and he would have huge house. But he would not have the quality of life he has in France even if he had more money. But now I think he may feel a wee bit differently and not so keen to be in the States...
There are numerous diseases, conditions and medications which behave differently depending on the race of the patient. Not having racial information sounds enlightened, but it could also cause a bad outcome for the patient. For example heart medications developed solely on white male patients could be ineffective or even fatal for minority women.
@@simbahunter8894 Ding Ding Ding. I'm surprised Allie's brother doctor doesn't know that "race" plays a big factor in identifying the probability of diseases. For example, most whites, blacks, Latinos who are diabetic are also overweight or obese. This characteristic is not true with Asians where perfectly slim individuals who eat properly but are diabetic.
Hi ! Nice video, it's great to have this kind of content.
I'm an anglophone-culture student, and I just would like to add another few things.
Another difference between France and the US would be the way minorities associate among themselves.
My US civilisation teacher (which is herself from the US), had told us that in the US, arabic people for instance are categorized as "caucasian". I remember some friends of mine, with north-african origins, being quite shocked by this information (I mean, all of us were). I had seen an US black youtuber talking about what it was like to be black in Paris, and what I can remember from it was that she felt less part of a community here, like in the US there were no categorizations within the black community (like fully black, mixed...), while here, they were all different categorizations, making less of a "bond". (The link to that video is here : th-cam.com/video/HNiWNfzP1sw/w-d-xo.html).
Also I agree with what I saw before in the comment section, concerning racism in France, and how it is directly linked with xenophobia.
Linving in western part of France, as a white person, I can tell you that racism is way more present against the "arabic" community, rather than the black community. Which is also directly linked with the war of independence between France and Algeria (1954-1962, most of our grand-parents' youth, so it's still very present in minds, not to mention, very recently added in French history books in highschool in a quite biased way), and of course the latest terrorist attacks.
I think that's why "black lives matter" seems a bit odd in France, mostly I think because when people hear about racism, they don't think about the black community first but the arabic community.
In France, the question of secularity is deeply rooted with the question of racism, in a way which would be totaly foreign from the US system, as religion is part of your constitution. I think in a way, religion is an issue even more tricky than racism in France.
Of course I'm saying all this from my point of view. I'm sure it's quite different in Paris, as the black community is bigger than it is where I live.
Alright now, peace out !
Mathilde Ballay In which way highschool books are biased concerning the Algeria war ?
@@maloueddy4499 I think of it, like highschool books told about the Resistance after WW2. In a way that makes French people all heroes, when really it wasn't the entire truth (far from it). Let's say this independence war, especialy because it's still a very touchy subject, isn't tackled with impartiality. But I'm sure in a few decades this wil be corrected. Well, that's what I hope.
Mathilde Ballay I think you haven't been in high school for a long time. Today there is a whole chapter of « Terminale » (12th class) on memories. Students learn about the evolution of memory of the Second World War, including a deconstruction of the myth of « résitancialisme » you refer to. And there's the same thing about the Algeria war. Self-flagellation goes so far that some students come to think that De Gaulle was a dark dictator who made the whole country believe lies about the Resistance.
@@maloueddy4499 Yes, that's what I said. Today we learn about resistancialism, and the fact that just after the war, they didn't talk about collaborationism.
And it's the same with the war of independence of Algeria. Today our history books aren't yet there to taclke this chapter proprely.
Anyway, it's well known that schools, private or public are not impartials, especialy on those subjects.
Mathilde Ballay I was in high school very recently and I saw absolutely no pro-French bias regarding the Algeria war, on the contrary.
Indeed, French schools are not impartial, but not at all in the nationalist sense. We've gone from one extreme to the other.
Pour ceux que cela intéresse je vous suggère de lire une Histoire populaire des Etats Unis d'Howard Zinn qui revient entre autre sur la lutte des classes aux USA au cour de son histoire. Elle est liée au sujet en ce sens de savoir si c'est la condition sociale qui explique en partie le "racisme systémique" comme la ségrégation qui a perduré jusqu'à la fin des années 60 aux US.
Thank you for the reading suggestion! Will add it to my list! :)
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified Très bonne vidéo. Et je suis d'accord avec Scipion : le livre de Howard Zinn est excellent.
@@lionelgrenelle merci!
Kate, bravo for attempting to tackle a complex, challenging, difficult, and sensitive topic. You get a lot of cool points just being from Chicago. I'm also from Chicago and married to a French woman, and I have two Franco-American kids. And I lived for several years in Paris, as well as Francophone Africa and Latin America. So, I know just how hard it is to translate American ideas about race to other cultures and contexts.
That said as a Black American man who was born in raised in Chicago, Illinois (represent!), I do have to correct a very damaging misconception you shared below. You wrote, you grew up in "illinois, midwest, more rural and the majority of the black population lives in poverty." I'm not sure if you meant the Black population in your town or community, but that is not at all true for the entire state (or America). Only 26.2 percent of Black people in Illinois live in poverty. Of course, that is way higher than the White population (9.6 percent), and this disproportionate poverty is a real problem. But the majority of Black people in America don't live in poverty.
To all the French people and other non-Americans who don't like that Black Americans use the term African American. Guess what? Who cares what you think? This even includes Africans. Get over yourselves. We can call ourselves whatever we want. We don't need your permission, approval, or understanding. Our ancestors came from Africa. That's why we get to use this expression. It's that simple. We don't have to pass some kind of Africa purity test or Africa geography pop quiz. We are descended from Africa. Our culture is the result of this Africa heritage. Why do think we invented Jazz, the Blues, Rock n Roll, Hip Hop? German or Irish heritage? LOL. Of course, most Black Americans don't know which part of Africa their ancestors are from. It's called slavery. Read a book or two (or two hundred).
What Latin American and francophone African countries did you live in?
Totally unrelated (and with the best intentions) but that background scrolling noise is *probably* the autofocus on the camera being too close to an on-camera mic. Setting it to manual focus or getting a quiet lens would likely solve it.
Iam a 52 year black man from united states of America thank you for educating your self about these issues
Thanks :)
Thank you! As a French, I was wandering the difference between France and the US about this topic.
This was very interesting. Thank you!
Thanks Sharon!
For exemple in marocco the french and spanish did some nasty thingsbut on the other side we got roads higher lvl of education a health system, administrations, and till now there is ALOT of agreements between france,spain and marocco for universities, work,etc etc
Morocco did not have a war , the independence of morocco was peaceful.
@@reyhugo4879 i never talked about war i talked about nasty things there was guerilla and making tribes fight between each other made "arabs" fight with "chlouhe" dont worry i'am aware a bit of what happened in my second country
Very good explanation...
Thank you for posting this video. Social media most certainly has its drawbacks, but this video is a good example of something positive.
You did a really good job explaining all of the differences between our countries. Thanks so much. One thing I've been wondering about since a visit to France earlier this year. During a conversation, someone said something derogatory about a group of people's race, gender, etc., and I responded with something like that we should all speak kindly of other people ... see that we're all one. Then that person replied with all Americans are so politically correct and that all French people believe this. What do you think? Even if the person says they said it "in a joking manner." I'm supposed to be moving to France this year (!) and this particular line of conversation and thinking is going to be a struggle to deal with.
Hmmmm... i'm not sure that i have a great response for you. I would say that we are very PC in the US. Or at least, we are taught to watch out with the words we use constantly. The French in general are less worried about this in society. You will hear things at work that make you go "ummmmm... do you want to be sued right now?" because we are so hardcore in the US. However, i haven't personally experience loads of situations where i was like WTF in person, but i'm often SHOCKED by what they say on the news for example....
I've had the same experience with my French boyfriend's friends.
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified It's good to know what one needs to expect, so thanks for sharing what you've experienced. And, yeah, on a slightly different topic, you're right that so many in the US do wave that "Do you want to be sued" nonsense all over the place.
@@Rachel-rs7jn Sounds like it really is a cultural difference.
In Marseille, there are no French people anymore
France should be more nationalistic, they let in a lot of outsiders
France is celtic, not arab
Oh yeah! Really? Well then, the same could be said for Americas and Australia/ NZ. The Americas let in a lot of European outsiders who eventually took over the nations in these continents and in some cases even wiped out the natives cruelly, displacing them and eventually creating European satellite nations there.
An even worse example of racism is Australia ( a country where I actually resided for a few years): The native Aboriginals were cruelly displaced by European British Interlopers.
Australia is Aboriginal, not Anglo-Saxon-Celtic.
Algeria is Afro-Beber, not French.
Morocco is Afro-Beber, not French.
Tunisia is Afro-Beber, not French.
Need I go on....
One can argue that France is historically also Latin and also Germanic (Franks gave the name of the country). Or due to the geography and history of immigration from allover the continent and the world (country with most surnames in the world), we can say it's a composed identity altogether.
By Law France is a set of values among which origin and ancestry should NOT have any weight on being French.
You are #racist!
EXCELLENT Video!! You are physically appealing and also educationally smart bi-lingual and well informed and seem to have a good heart!!
Hi ! I just ground this channel ! I’m visiting France next year for two weeks and I’m hoping to learn a lot . This was very helpful
Haven’t watched the entire video but I’m honestly throughly touched by you making this video. People who live in the United States don’t want talk about such issues and here you are living in France but refusing to turn a blind eye. My little heart is happy 😊
As an american, I disagree with your comment that we dont want to talk about racism issues. Quite to the contrary, we discuss it constantly in private and in the media. Social justice has become much more mainstream around policing, access to education, jobs and the law. There are also many political factions who actually PREVENT progress because they need race tensions to further their agendas. Discussing racism is very much a part of daily life in the US and politicized so much that it hinders true reform, true equality and true progress.
@@landrum3893 I wrote this from my perspective. Because I felt like people were only talking about race from a surface level and calloused perspective and her approach seemed to be genuine laced with compassion.
@@leahluvvanderson3131 Fair enough. Our experiences in the US must be quite different. The friends we have, the news and media we are exposed to might be very different. We as a country are still not doing enough. That's a fact. Peace.
by making racial statistics illegal, does not make it magically disappear. Different race/skin tone/accents/cultures will still exist. It just makes it harder to identify or quantify racial profiling and racism. As a person who has experience racism and racial profiling my whole life, I would have to disagree with France's approach.
@John Ngui the whites in French like this approach largely for that reason, they can get away with racism.
@@mnkwazi
Exactly ^^
@@mnkwazi It is not in place because of WW2, this race profiling was used by H/tler to emprison the jews.
You really think that after 1945, they will put in place again something like that after it has been used to k/ll a lot of people? This types of thing is like saying to racist people "hey there is this school that have that majority of black kids go shoot them".
You also forget the fact you can't lump all black people together like that. It's not like in america how every black person is african american. Here we directly come from different countries with different religious beliefs, language and culture and as such there is current civil war going on in said countries. The situation is way more complex.
Also in France, you can become french whatever your origin. We don't say stuff like african-french because it does not make any sense. It's doens't mean that we erase our culture it's simply mean that by law we are french. Here the is saying is french from "this" origin.
Labelling people is just worst. Can't you see how people are putting quota thing in America?
In France when applying to a college/university, people only see your resume and name, not your face and skin color while in America they have to put a quota only based of people background, they only see the color.
Black is not a personnality, even more with the fact that black american people don't have the same history as black european. Fun fact most current black european are not slave descendant but most likely to be slave seller descendant (yeah surprise black people were also selling other black people but eh people like to talk about european slave trade but forget the fact that Arabian empire literally did the same 1 century before, was worst and like 1 of our black women head of state said "we don't want to add more racism weight into north african" well I guess everything is because of the white man).
Thanks for the vid and for sharing some educationnal/cultural ressources.
your welcome! Glad you liked it!
Very though video. Hard subject, good explanations. You make the job.
Action against racism, to my point of view, is like global warming fight. I can't do the job alone. I have to do my part. and like french says : "Je balaye d'abord devant ma porte".
About the lake of data about racism in France may change. I heard some news showing some (light) possibilitys of making data with ethnic notions.
As i see USA yet, maybe one fondamental difference about racism in France vs USA is the behavior of the police. In the USA, police use deadly weapons way more often than in France. So young black and maghrebin people in France have'nt the same pression, the same global life risk as in the USA.
Once again, you do a very good job. Thanks a lot.
Prenez soins de vous.
Thanks Athanase for the comment! The police brutality is another very important topic that is so linked to the fight against racism. It's true that we use more deadly weapons in the states, which is different than in France, but it seems like police violence in France is also a problem. Take care!
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified
You'r right. In France too, police behavior is a problem, specially when news (and youngs) policemen have to deal with violence during demonstrations or are embedded in crew with racist mood.
French policemen have a lake of training, and they have performance objectives which strongly modify their behavior. .
I well know police (for many - and honnests- reasons) and i'm often sorry of the behaviour of some policemen.
Have a good day
PS : Any news of your new nationality ?
I respect you lady. Excellent job. Greetings from Dubai. 🙏
There is major difference though which is the educational system : in France the poorer the neighborhood the more resources it gets, however for having taught in these Zone d’Education Prioritaires, the lack of adhesion to /understanding of our system and our culture in many families tends to undermine the kids’ prospects. Which is horribly sad for everyone.
Oh yes, the "culture" 🤣 Read this my friend: www.cairn.info/revue-regards-croises-sur-l-economie-2012-2-page-114.htm#
Education is so very different betwee the USA and France in general, that i'm not surprised that this could play a role in racism too!
In France there is a debate about assimilation vs multiculturalism. I have the feeling many other countries do not have this debate and see assimilation as racism.
This is such bullshit!!!! The poorer neighborhood don't have more ressources they have LESS. In all the ZEP (or now-called REP), we send only the young inexperienced teachers to teach these kids, they lack materials / the buildings are crumbling, when a teacher goes on leave (for whatever reason) months go by before there's a substitute teacher. If you are in Paris intramuros and your teacher is sick for one day, you have a subsitute immediatly! But if you attend a school in Seine-Saint-Denis (Paris' suburbs) you wait months for it. It's well documented and every year parents and teachers protest for these lack of substitute and financial means.
@@chasav35 While I totally agree with this issue, I think you are missing the whole picture. There a plenty of examples where fresh renovated suburbs have seen clashes and destruction again. The suburbs get decent money while paying very little.
The suburbs get way more money than rural/peasants towns, ex-industrial region of the North which all have close to zero criminality.
Thank you for the video which only scratches the surface of racism in France.
I have comments which I will edit and add from laptop 😅
In our experience racism in France seems more focused towards Arab / Muslims. We have certainly witnessed quite overt racism and Muslims have been the target of much discrimination from the French government. The far right Le Pen of Rassemblement National (RN) has quite a strong following and Macron is moving further to the right to appeal to RN voters.
Don't forget that France was dumping Algerians in the sea and drowning them in the Seine as recently as the 1960s...so in living memory.
@@Hide_and_silk et ils avait raison s'était des terroristes qui tué des policiers
@@baptistebrigand5882 et vous êtes un parfait exemple du sectarisme raciste dont nous avons été témoins en France. Allez apprendre votre propre histoire...
Having lived in both the US and France, I think the lack of data as you mentionned, or "statistiques ethniques", is what's problematic in France because it makes it hard for people to debate the issue of racism (and discrimination based on race or ethnicity in broader terms). As you said in the beginning, the notion of "république indivisibe" seems to me very utopian and not quite adapted to the modern world. It's amusing to hear people, especially politicians, say "I'm color-blind when it comes down to race because referring to each person's origins is not compatible with our republican value" because it's totally BS. In theory, the French republic has always refused the notion of "communautarisme" but the reality is totally different since the government has facilitated segregation over the last decades. All you need to do is check certain suburbs outside of Paris to realize that people of a certain color all live in ghettos and in communities, sometimes secluded from the french society. This has been a result of extremely poor immigration policies (was that intentional ? Maybe). Also, there's been a study made by the French government about the hiring process in companies in France which found out that many big companies rejected resumes from people with "arab or african sounding names" as opposed to their european counterparts (all things equal such as job experience, training, ...etc). Besides, certain muslim women wearing the hijab are strictly prohibited from working regardless of their job qualifications, training, or skills. There are many practical examples that challenge this notion of "république indivisible" that's why I believe that the question of racism and discrimination is a much more complex and tricky topic here in France compared to the US.
Muslim women are not prohibited to work anywhere. Wearing religious uniforms in public spaces defeat the laic and neutral feature of the state. Besides, there is also deeply rooted in France, one must remove its hat when we penatrate a buildings as a proof of trust and respect. It comes back to the middle age when the soldier was removing its helmet.
@@OptLab While I have to admit that the issue of laicite is different topic since it's more related to religion and not ethnicity, one must question themselves: are these notions still relevant nowadays ? Yes, the history of France has been marked with the rejection of the religious authoritarism, however, in the modern western world guided by human rights charts (which in turn include religious freedom), are these concepts of neutrality still relevant as opposed to the dark middle ages ?
Besides the concept of laicite is not static has always been debated and arguments differ based on each party's ideologies and where they stand on the political spectrum.
In the end, the ones losing are the average people who only want to work, pay their taxes and bring an added value to the french economy. While it is true that in theory, private companies are allowed to hire women wearing hijab (not to be confused with muslim women, since not all of them choose to wear it), many landmark court decisions gave the freedom to companies to discriminate against them, which in result has made it really hard for these women to find a job, which in turn (again) makes it really hard for people living in certain communities to integrate the french society. This problem does not exist in anglosaxon countries such as the US and UK because religious freedom is highly valued.
@@anisb4147
I am not sure if you understand the hat/helmet thing. Removing a cap, helmet, hat is about showing your host or guest that you are at the same hierarchy level. It's about willing to open yourself to show respect (then share a meal or a conversation), it's not a tradition feature. It has a social goal.
For the other topic, yes it is a conflict between liberalism (open borders) and protectionism preservation of nations. In my opinion if you don't assimilate, you create communities and create distrust in societies. Whether it's good or not, very often high trust societies are countries like Japan, Island etc, in which people trust each other and care for each other. Countries who tend to assimilate foreigners. From the 50's to 70's, foreigners in France could be easily assimilated because of the smaller number. There is no reason why imposing a foreign lifestyle can not be considered colonialism in France, because France used to do exactly the same. I don't want to shift to another subject, but it's totally related: there are many ways to dominate the world, and demographics is one of them. You don't need an army anymore to colonize a country: you can use demographics, economy, influence instutions (Confusius insitutes, or fondations by Qatar etc), use medias or sport (PSG), collect data with network infrastructures...
Demographics DO change countries, change borders and make civil wars. Look at Kosovo in Serbia: Muslims used to be 10% in 1900, 90% now. Hence the split.
@@OptLab I totally understand the helmet thing and I know what respect means, thank you for the remark :) My point is that a hijab, or i turban worn by seikh in other instances, can not be compared to a helmet worn by a soldier since the first is related to a religious practice that is protected by human rights charts and constitutional rights and another one is to protect a soldier from potential damage.
I personally do not find it disrespectful to be around a man wearing a turban or a woman wearing hijab while in a room (maybe it's a generational gap, who knows ?). Besides, I think you've gone too far with your arguments relating to " the replacement theories". When you see diversity as a threat, I see it as a strength and power. You took a very simplistic approach citing countries that had pre existing issues that have nothing to do with the diverse demographic and leaving behind countries that were successful in embracing such as Canada and New Zealand.
@@anisb4147 Covering the skin faces issues in medical practice, swimming pools, face recognition . And by the way the are several points in religions (and particularly in the Coran). The human right argument is not solid considering what the coran suggests historically: Beat wife/people, cut hand, marry pre-puberty girls, and all sorts of rights the man is given and the woman does not have like very low heritage rights. The core issue is that the coran was written not just as a spiritual guide, but also as a legal tool to govern the society. Hence the conflicts.
I respect your opinion for Kosovo, and regarding "replacement theories" related comments. Though I believe you are wrong to take peace for granted, even in stable nations of Europe or North america. I know Canada and NZ and there are issues there. Just like in any country, tensions start when the economy fall. Demographics is a slow but powerful process. Yet again, it's not about ethnicity, more about lifestyles. The main reason why we live in peace is because nuclear heads prevent any war. But demographics will create tensions I believe, it could take centuries. I wish I was wrong about everything. I praise your positivism.
Very difficult topic to tackle....especially when you're white, like me. The most difficult part is to have or to lack empathy : Black and Arab people, but also Asian suffer the most from racism in France : a lot of comedians have had fun about 'differences in communities' till today but after WW2 and Algeria War, many have kept on doing this and when you are a child, you find it funny but then, you are quite ashame of having laughed at it.
What gathers France and USA "together" is that SOME members of the police have worked a very long time with less and less means to help them and SOME of them have become more and more racists, always connected to misery in the poorer parts of cities.
As you pointed it, a lot of migrants' descendants have come for woek, to find jobs but also hoping for a better life - not the American way of life but kind of - and it has existed for a very long time too in France : Polish, Italian, Spanish, German used to come to France and felt different forms of racism...Some of them even became racists towards Arab people. When you read French constitution, it almost broke my heart because a lot of us have forgotten what fratenity and equality mean, often because of the government's deeds in the last 37 years.
The main difference between Americans and French visions are about "integration" : in France, as long as you want to become "French", you can do whatever you want and celebrate your culture AT HOME ; in the USA, showing your roots is celebrated, ok with that. I'm ok with both ideas as far as I'm concerned but people very often mix up "celebrating" and "despising the other cultures".
When I have this "debate" with students and I have to help them to find "arguments", some often say "why would there be anything to despise in another culture ?" and I just say three words "do no harm" (thinking about excision among other things).
So...not an easy debate : there shouldn't be any debate, there should be only welcoming views but sometimes they encounter a wall :hatred, harm, bad/wrong beliefs...
It's difficult to feel empathy when you're white and you've never had to face racism
@@cmolodiets I'm not saying that I know, I'm saying I can relate and understand.
Really insightful comments. Huge thanks for all the extra information for myself and everyone. It's really hard in a ten minute video to dig deep on topics and go below surface level, so i always feel like the comments sections help analyze a bit deeper on certain things. I never thought about this difference of integration between the two countries, but it's really true that how society expects you to integrate is quite different! Thanks again for the comment!
I do think it's difficult for lots of people to feel empathy in situations when the specific experience hasn't happen to them. For example, before I had my daughter, it was hard to understand what an exhausted mother, struggling to breastfeed and breaking down is going through. I had really never experienced that so I just didn't understand completely until I did. My tip would be to focus on how the other person feels. It doesn't matter if you can't completely put yourself in their shoes, concentrate on their feelings because when someone says, "this action makes me feel sad/angry/unmotivated/unfair etc..." Why wouldn't you try to find a solution to help? Most people don't want to actively bring people down even if they don't realize they are doing it. Thanks for the comment! :)
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified Thanks for that, I totally agree! I'm white too (obviously from my picture) and so of course I can't know what it feels like. So for me, instead of trying to stay isolated and guess for myself how Black people feel, I'm listening to what they are telling us (and have been for a long time). It's not like there aren't plenty of strong Black voices out there! I fully admit that I wasn't listening enough before. :( I don't know why George Floyd in particular has been a tipping point, because there have been so many other horrible things that we should have been just as upset about. But anyway, no excuses anymore. Time to listen and act.
Props to you for making this video. I have mad respect for your willingness to be bold and talk about this important topic. I have always appreciated your careful analysis and even-handedness in discussing topics. But today I am admiring your character. Thank you for rocking and repping White allyship à l’americaine!!
well done, a perspective I had not considered, relative to the black experience in the USA vs. the black experience after WWII when they were needed in France to help rebuild. As a 70 year old very white looking grandmother I cannot relate to the struggles within our country of the African-Americans, although I am fully aware of them and disgusted by the idea of them. Having mixed Polynesian and white blood (as well as French, Irish, Welsh-the list goes on) I never experienced it mostly I am sure, because I look white. I grew up in New Zealand and was never aware of any issue until I came to this country and my future father in law was annoyed that his son was marrying a 'tawny.' I had never heard that expression before. We have more work do do globally and these sort of discussions are a good start. Gets us thinking outside of our little community box.
Thank you for being brave and using your voice and your platform!! And for being firm in your message. You totally could have taken the kumbaya-let's-just-hold-hands-and-get-along approach to not be "controversial" and you didn't. The words "get comfortable being uncomfortable" have been ringing in my ears for the past week and I've been pushing myself to do that. I know there's a long way to go but it's a start.
Thanks for the comment and completely agree. Let's start getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. Hoping that everyone checks out the resources in the video description from the real experts and black voices that need to be heard!
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified ❤️❤️❤️❤️Yes yes yes. Black people have been telling us for years what's up - we just weren't really listening. Yes it's brave for us white people to speak out to our peer groups but not nearly as brave as Black people have had to be.
I was skeptical about watching your video (what could this white woman possibly know about racism?).
You have produced a very thought- provoking video. It could have been a scathing evaluation of the USA, the punching-bag of the world, but it wasn't. (Whether we deserve that title is another debate). I appreciate that you tried to be even-handed.
Thanks a lot for the comment Ken! It's always harder to write a video that is about a sensitive subject, especially one that I am clearly not an expert on. But hopefully it got some factual information across about racism out there and gave lots of resources in the description from the real black experts who's voices need heard!
"what could this white woman possibly know about racism?"
Your comment is either naïve, racist, or mean. World medias are not being very vocal about the situation in south Africa where whites are killed, raped.
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@@OptLab it's unfair to tell someone they are being racist or mean simply because their first thought is that a person with privilege will present racism in countries (where it does not affect white people) inaccurately, the video said a lack of empathy for minorities is prevalent in both countries, so excuse a possible minority for keeping that reluctance to trust a white woman's point of view immediately, they did ultimately change their mind after viewing the content, so OP did nothing wrong. And no one said whites couldn't be targeted, but it's a completely different situation from this.
Think about your initial bias
wow major respect to you for posting this video!
Anecdoct: 15 years ago, in Texas driving on a highway, a policeman stopped me for overspeeding. Filing up the ticket, the policeman asked what my ethnicity was. There were about 8 different choices: Caucasian, African America , Spanish, mix Caucasian African , ... (I dont remember the exact terminologies). I had no idea what to choose. I thought Caucasian was probably for East Europeans (I thought at that time that Caucasian was refering to the region of Caucasus - Caucase in French) . I was quite puzzled. I told the policeman " I am sorry I do not belong to any of those ethnic groups". I insisted that nobody in France has ever told me I am of a specific ethnicity. The policeman laugh and he wrote on the side "French".
Amusante comme anectode haha
Caucasia region isn’t white. Ingush Chechen Armenian Syrian Kurdish Azerbaijani are BROWN..
Western asian brown people.
No matter religion or skin color. The appropriate word is "Native European".
Native European and White are the same. You’re closer a Finnish , Belarusian or Greek.
There is no Mediterranean Sea , no culture.
I find that Americans when talking tend to refer to black people as just “Blacks” but contrastingly won’t refer to white people as just “Whites” they will instead say “white people”.
It’s a subtle difference but as someone from the UK it is something that really stuck out to me. The omission of the word ‘people’ feels subtly dehumanising especially since the use of language is not the same for their white counterparts. I’m not saying that it’s racist but our use of language reveals a lot e.g.. @ 5:22 (semantics I know). Great video regardless!! Very informative
Thanks for pointing this out. I'm still struggling to change the way i use words because i grew up with the idea that saying black was incredibly offensive to blacks. Which i can now see isn't the case. So i'll definitely watch out with the white people vs black and just stick to white and black! Thanks for pointing this out!
Americans don't really say the "Blacks". They will say things like (he/she/they are black) or African Americans
France is an Islamophobic country especially with Hijab. We moved to US and never faced any discrimination against my wife wearing hijab.
Such a wonderful video! (I'm a new subscriber, and I'm really impressed.)
It was very brave to address such a sensitive topic. And you handled it with grace 👏🏻. Comments are super interesting too
Racism and xenophobia exist everywhere and in every country and always will to some degree as long as there are humans. There's a certain natural inclination in humans to be wary of difference. Many babies start off afraid of people who aren't their parents/family for obvious and good reasons, some infants presenting more neophobia than others depending on temperament.
Acceptance of others usually must be taught by parents to their children by both words and example. Although, some figure out how to understand differences on their own through personal experiences or study.
Well said.
Whites do not experience racism everywhere they go in the world.
You must stop exonerating yourselves from racism.
Racial theories were born in europe, especially in france.
you have a whole history with racism.
@@Le.dictateur.africain Precisely! "Exists everywhere"...goes to countries with Brown people and get treated like kings and queens.
Exists everywhere and always has. .
Wrong. Scholars repeatedly state that skin colour prejudice in Ancient Rome and Greece for example did not exist. It apparently did in Ancient Arabia though.
@@Ayo.Ajisafe there were Black kings presidents and emperors in the arab world
@@Le.dictateur.africain That may be. It's something that i struggled to find information on.
My reference about racism in Arabia comes from the fact that the Phrophet Mohammed actually advocated for equal treatment between different coloured muslims which suggests that discrimination was a problem.
You gave me goosebumps when you read the constitution.
I applaud you for your courage Kate. A lot of people are afraid to speak up when they see (or hear) racism. The only way it will change is for good people to stand up & denounce racist practices & behaviors that they encounter. It is an all too convenient scapegoat that weak people feel the need to indulge in to feel better about themselves. The only difference between races are skin color, features, & cultural influences. The parts that make us human - love, compassion, smiles & laughter, tears of joy & sadness, the desire to be connected, should all work to bring us harmony. Life is just too short to waste time with putting other people down. Before you know it it's judgement day and the individual has to answer for crimes of the heart. Make this world a better place if you can.
In France we generally consider ourselves less racist than the US, but I think we are a lot less "woke". Foreigners and people with accents are often depicted as idiots. Just look at a recent movie like "A bras ouverts". It's pure minstrel show. The idea of systemic racism is also very new in France, and few French people understand that racism is not just voting for the rassemblement national.
So true! Worst part is you even here often "not all people who vote for the RN are racists! they vote for them for different reasons than their racist agenda".
that's right i'm French! but other French when they see me is always the same thing: No you are Chinese! And if i say i'm Filipino they'd say: It's the same bro! so i don't know who i'am? Racism here it's normal... For Asian here you can hear a lot of song with racist lyrics like the famous song from Algerino "Tching Tchang Tchong" Nobody here say it's a racist song because people dance to this song... (Here this is an example of Racism in France as Asian!)
and they (europeans) about americans are bad at geography 🤦🏾♀️ 😹😹😹
Never realized that the Constitutions of India and France are so similar.
Why is that so?
Thank you for taking time to talk about this heavy but necessary subject. As a Mexican-American in the US married to a white Latina and living in the south. Racism is, unfortunately, part of everyday life. However, there’s a point you made that I must clarify. While police in the US need reasonable suspicion to pull you over. Recently some states have allowed police to give a wider spectrum on what constitutes reasonable suspicion. In Florida, for example, cops can pull you over for anything.
Bro what is a white latina?
@@krazyjnva2up2down55 -
A Latin American person who is has mostly ethnically European (this means most of her ancestry is ethnically European)
Latin Americans can be ancestrally native-American, or black African, ethnically white European etc,
Latin Americans are also often ethnically mixed
'positive discrimination' is an oxymoron
I am a black french woman, but I must say that I find Americans to be cringeworthy. I happens to have American friends and most times during our conversations, I feel awkward. I don't know if it's their choices of words or they speaks without thinking but most times I rather avoid conversation of certain topics. For example " blacks, and white people". Ok, my experience on racism, I am still thinking, I can't find any situation. I am from the country side. I have a few encounter but it's not about my race but rather my achievements. I really thinking, or maybe it's just my opinion but I think Americans are very race obsessed. I don't know if I cannot read between lines, but American are so sensitive and even the simple reaction they might think that you are " shading" them. I feel like every person must respect their country and laws. I knew too that not everyone will be accepting of anyone, so at the end if the day, just live your life, be kind and polite and await no return. I have never and will never ask anyone to change their views about me because I knew whom I am. I'm black , my husband is white. We have being together since I was 16. Most times I have forgotten about our differences until videos like this reminds me. what about we respect those who respected us, we judge a person by their character and above all, we cannot make everyone feel contented. You've donne a great job with this video, only thing I think we should do it along with some friends from different ethnicities because no one can speaks about someone's experiences better than themselves. Thanks for sharing...
I understand your perspective; I believe Americans speak about race due to the system being established from minorities' plights. It is difficult to sweep certain issues under the rug due to its quite oblivious impact on the society surrounding the States.
Wow, I'm so shocked you feel this way 🙄
Thank you for sharing. In the U.S, I feel that black people speak up a lot about race issues because there is often a culture here that is geared towards minimizing certain experiences. I have had white Americans lecture me about how racism in the U.S doesn't happen. I think when one is faced with a sort of gaslighting, it can cause resentment over time. When the resentment isn't acknowledged or understood, perhaps it can turn into an angry neuroticism or fixed gestalt in one's perspective on things.
Racism exists everywhere, but I feel it in a much more pronounced way here in the States. The historical explanation of slavery becoming illegal in France in the 1700's vs America fighting a war over it and not allowing the South to secede is a great explanation of why racism feels embedded into the DNA of America, in my opinion. that is a thought I will ponder. The only way that I've ever been able to express it is that I can breathe whenever I'm in Paris. Awesome video! Thank you for your willingness to discuss this important topic!
_not allowing the South to concede_ Concede?
@@infonomics "secede'. Sorry, fixed it.
Question: I am an immigrant, living in my new country for 30 the last years. If one person believes that my home is in my country of origin, is that person racist? Thanks!
The only way an immigrant could make his home in a new country is that stop to feel like an immigrant. That includes the absence of separate ethnic communities. Now, I have no problem of, let we say Turks in France, who want to maintain their religion and their language (in home), but when that community starts to demand changes like it happened in Germany (they demanded schools get off the crosses from the classrooms), when they are offended by our laws and customs, like christmas tree, for example, I have not just right, but duty to say: "Gentlemen, go back in the country of your origin".
@@ezekiel3791 Thanks for the comment.
Thank you for this video! Racism of a France is understood best when you look at it from the immigration point of view with the understanding of the color blind race policy.
From my experience of living in France, I truly felt that topic of race in professional settings is very much taboo.
It is easy to be French when you are white and the statistical blind spot is super sad. The old-fashioned approach of trying to effect social change without using race and ethnicity-based statistics is not working.
Whoever says that they do not see race (in France) is full of bull or oblivious to their privilege or not educated on the issue yet.
Because the moment youuse statistics dependent on origin or skin color u put people in boxes labled, and that EXACTLY what france avoids to do and that by putting everybody in the same box FRENCH citizen, because dividing ur population brings more negarive than positive
it is true that the absence of ethnic and racial statistics forbid us from realizing how racist the french society is.
I don't agree on the fact that people are lying when they say they don't see races. They see skin color but they trully don't see races because it's not a scientific concept. we're taught at school: races are just as legit a concept as the 4 elements. It's just a human construction. It's been debunked by science
@@cmolodiets raxe exists its just not the right definition, cause humans are the same race cause our physical differance are not exagerated enought to defini races base on color
@@jackdebois7898 no, races don't exist. Human is a species. Race is not something that can be determined by reading your DNA. It's a human construction based on a few physical traits arbitrarily associated (dark or light skin color, shape of nose, size of lips...)
@@cmolodiets thats what i said i know that in taxonomy the smallest group defined is species and race is just a subdivision arbitrary by physical traits (dont worry we on the same wave lenght on that haha)
Hello . French here. Your video is excellent . You have perfectly explain the difference with racism from USA and France . As French , ethnic data , this is realy horrible for me :) counting and Making data with the color of skin. This is surreal for me :)
They are real strong racist in USA and in France. Everywhere in the world . For me , I think , the most big « racism « Is not really racism. My English is bad , I am going to explain. Like you said , In USA , the black people from today at descendant from slavery. So they was there before. France , in the past , was massively white . Black and Arab people come after. And massively when France open boarder. Honestly , French people , « judge » people , not by skin color but by your attitude . If you are good or bad. If a white do good things ok . If he do bad thing we can do nothing and deal with it. Or put him in jail if he is realy bad bad. For a black or Arab person. Is he is good ok. But if he is bad. Always negative . If he is racist . Excuse in France they are more and more racism against white . A lot of French are not publicly say it , but think in mind , yes, if you are not happy in France and do bad thing, leave France . Go where you want , the world is big, found a place where you are happy and leave us alone. For me this not racism . Because I can say that to a black or Asian or Arab or even a white American. You live in France and you are allways angry and to bad thing? Just go. Leave. It’s like if me as French white guy I go to live in USA , take nationally , and allways say bad things about USA. Destroy car. Smash people . Be a bad guy. USA are going to say to me : go back to France :) we only have 2 problem in France . People outside France can say this is racism but it’s not. Problem 1 : bad behaviors . Problème 2 islam. Radical , strong , extrem Islam, I don’t know how to say. Just an example , on tv , we see a young boy maybe 10 years , insulted at school by young Muslim , because the young boy ear porc. Muslim kids insulted him. Scandal here . Our problem is not the « classic racism « against black people. Our problem is to deal with Muslim people . Black and Arab. No problem with black Christian. They are people Muslim who love in peace. Good. But a lot of Muslim want more islam in more and change our lays. In France we have a wonderfull shield : secularism . And islam use weapon to destroy this shield : E V E R Y D A Y. Christian Jews boudhistes , don’t act like this.
This was a really interesting video. I wish the American constitution said something similar to the French constitution though, because America is struggling more than ever with racism. It's so sad.
Statistical disparity ≠ racism or racial bias
I work in a jail in france, and I think the population is quite melting. I ask me at what point your experience as American improve your idea black is discriminated, except if you consider Arabic people are black...
And there is data about origins of prisoners, but based of what part of the world they born and grow, and not their skin colour.
What is really overrepresented is not dark skin colour, but every strangers, quite similar for proportion with proportion of legal and illegal immigrants come from all around the world (with a quiet big proportion of people come from East of Europe).
In every cases, the factors constantly associated with the fact become a prisoners are known, and associated : poor, low education level, familial troubles, drug use, etc...
In France, they are focused on immigrants and people who live in suburbs, but I am not sure it is true for every black and Arabic people...
So the real problem is more, in France, xenophobia than racism, related to the fear of ressources of the country was taken by a big number of immigrants people because of our social system, and the fear it destroy it for French people.
It explains why it is so difficult for immigrants to have same chances like insiders : insiders have organised the system into maximize their chances in the competition with outsiders and cannot loose their place if competition with an outsider better than their.
However, it is really difficult to think that the regular attacks against Islam from state and a part of political class is not related to a type of racism come from colonial time (we know what is the skin colour of Islamic people in France...)
I think this is because it cannot be admit in France to be racist since world war 2 and the final solution what happened inside France, contrary to the USA...
What do you think about this?
This video is very much needed and appreciated. Do want to add though - the lack of empathy towards the oppression of black people in the US is not just from the white population. I've personally seen and received it from some people of the Latinx,
Asian and immigrant or undocumented communities. From people I've considered to be friends who are people of color
Could you make a video about differences in the ways sexism expresses itself in France and in the USA ?
Would love to see that too!
But you self education is wonderful. You understand the plight. Thank you.
Interesting video, thank you. I just moved back to France after living aboard for over 10 years, in other countries in Europe and in Asia. In just over a week I have realized that in France the racist, discriminatory discourse of every-day French people (not the discourse of the politicians, but the one of some French people in shops, on the street, in banks, at work for instance...) has remained the same overtime. It is sad and disappointing to see how in over 10 years some people's mindset has not evolved. Some still have the same racist discourse towards anyone who does not speak with a "pure" French accent. I am trying to understand if this comes from ignorance, from their own complex, from arrogance or other reasons... Moving back I felt more hopeful but now I am wondering... is the French racism towards non French people so deep that it makes the situation hopeless?
When tout nation is invaded ... this is not racism ...this is self defense !!!
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Well then I hope your nation gets invaded to the point where it’s unrecognisable leading to white French people becoming a minority or totally getting wiped out (hopefully low birthrates will lead to that all over Europe)
I may be wrong, but I think one of the differences between France and the US is that France has more of a problem with xenophobia than with racism. I have read comments here from people who don't know a thing about France and say it has institutionalised racism. I don't think that is accurate. The French Republic does not recognise race as being real. Even racists/xenophobes in France know that races do not biologically exist. I would say that what people call "racism" in France is more xenophobia targeted at North African immigrants or descendants of immigrants and if you listen to those racists for long enough you will see that the main reproaches are a suspected non-adherence to French values and way of life. I'm not saying they are right before you jump the gun and attack me. I'm just saying that what people say is racism is actually xenophobia. If you look at the story of immigration in France, you will see that Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese all suffered the same insults for the same reasons before being integrated within what is considered French. I think that eventually North Africans and African descendants will be integrated within what is considered French and xenophobia will be targeted at another group of people. No one in France, even the racists think that people are the way they are because they belong to this or that "race". They will talk about culture etc. Most French people struggle to understand the English word "race" because they laugh at the concept, and they laugh even more at the fact that people will take skin color as the main aspect of belonging to a race.
Racism is not so much about behavior it is about how a society is structured.
You are becoming my favorite you tuber :-)
Hi! Thanks for this video, it was very interesting to see the differences between both cultures. I HIGHLY recommend the podcast called Seeing White. It tackles racism by looking at whiteness, it's creation and purpose. It's fascinating and I think every person who has lived or lives in the US should listen to it. A gem! :)
Puke identitarian nonsense inspired by the worst that social sciences has brought pot the world. It's the exact opposite of the mindset we need.
Very informativ video, specially the part when you talk about the different historical facts which lead to create racism depending on the country (it is definately different in between countries), thank you for that. I would have maybe add one more point about those differences (maybe it is too obvious so you didn't feel the need to adress it here). A major one to me I've noticed is that the stronger racism is directed towards different minorities depending on the country you leave in. In the US it is very strongly directed toward the afro-americans (I'm aware about the vocabulary debate here, I've choosen this term because that's the official term in the US to describe your "ethnicity", as you should say causasian, not "white", etc.), but in France for example it is more directed against muslim north africans or their French descendants and in the UK towards indians and their British descendants, etc, all because of the colonial history behind. It helps a lot I think to realize that those racist thoughts people get are directly linked to some fears towards foreigners coming to leave in their country, whoever they are, more than by valid reasons to think badly about some minorities per se, it is not universal, to feel hate against one minority over another. It is just linked directly to a country history. The reasons why the fears occured in the first place are long gone but the fears are still very present. My opinion is that the caucasian US population is afraid of the afro-american citizens because they are for most of them, as you said, the direct descendants of enslaved people the causasian americans could internally now be afraid of because they feel they should be resentful against them for all what happened to their ancestors. I feel like they are afraid they could look for any opportunity to seek some revenge and are therefore always potentially perceived as dangerous, as a potential threat, to "any caucasian". Just my personal view on it. I don't think this racism is pure hate or superiority complex but more internal fears coupled with deep guilt feelings originated in the country past. I think it is actually a shame because this same country wich mistreated in the worst way some of its citizens ancestors have already made amend as it is also the one whose inhabitants have actually fought and engaged in a civil war to finally abolish slavery, free all the enslaved people and integrate them in its population, even if it was a long process and took a while.
Edit : I've only seen a few of your video in French before watching this one, you look like a whole other person when you talk english 😂.
For France, I would add older history: 'Charles Martel Stopped the Arabs at Poitiers', the Barbary slave traders who roamed the coasts of Europe during centuries,... there is a deep-rooted fear at the bottom.
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Could be great to explain some day what "your community" means for Anglo-Saxons people, cause this a major difference between ppl of Western Europe and US but also AU/NZ
Ahhh good to know! I didn't realize that this word had different meaning depending on aglo saxon countries. When i say community, this could be the youtube community that i'm creating on this channel, but it also can be the community you live in. So your family, neighbors, friends, colleagues, people you meet at the grocery store etc.. All the people that you have contact with on a pretty regular basis. What does it mean in western europe for example?
@@UnintentionallyFrenchified In France, we usually recogniez just one "acceptable" community : all the French citizens, the political community, "la Nation", the French voters actually : "La Nation française est une et indivisible". That's why a lot of French people and most of their politicians are "anti-communautariste". Nowadays we hear a lot, first in the media : "la communauté musulmane, la communauté juive, etc." (usually, it's about non-majority religion ; we don't hear much about "la communauté normande" ou "la communauté catholique" ;-) ). Actually, we have such communities like in the US, but prefer not to give them too much importance (fear of political separatism : Corsica, Pays Basque, les Chouans et les Vendéens during the Revolution).
Racial identity is not a “feeling “ it is the way race is experienced both in America and around the world.
I saw a video by a black american woman living in France. She explained that a french man once uttered "you're not really black actually, you're more like "coffee and milk" color." She actually had a rather light shade of black skin. She felt offended like this white rude frenchman was trying to strip her from her identity. "At what point do you become truely black", she asked. Then she thought about it and emited the hypothesis that there might not be a word for metis/mulatto in french and that might be the reason why she was called "café au lait"
It's a great point. French people tend to use "mixed" (métisse) to mean "light-skinned" which is pretty revealing about our anti-blackness and colourism. For instance people French people will say "yeah Beyonce is métisse (mixed)" even though both her parents are Black, or we'll refer to all Black West-Indies inhabitants ("les antillais") as "mixed" (métisses) even if their only white ancestors are from many generations ago. So French people will really use "noir" (black) or "métisse" (mixed) depending on skin color (dark-skinned vs light-skinned black). It's fucked up.
You have a very strange and unusual point of view.
My impression is that "café au lait" is more frequently used in France than "métisse" or "mulatre" for a simple reason. It's a skin color, not a race. The concept of metis is racialist. It's not a description of your skin color. It implies that one of your ancestors (probably a parent) was a pure-breed of one race and another of your ancestors was of another race. Being called a metis is like being called a half-breed, a half-blood.
The guy that called her 'café au lait' was just pointing out her skin color was a light black. He saw it as a detail of little importance. He didn't say" métisse" because thet would actually imply that races had a meaning for him.
The american woman proved absolutely unable to think out of the racial ideology. For her, Black is not a color. It's a race. Her race is something objective, a part of her identity, the reason why she's segragated. It's not in her color, it's in her genes.
@@cmolodiets I'm French and "café au lait" is absolutely not frequently used at all. I only heard it from my grandparent's generation. It refers to a person who are born from two personne from different ethnicities that result in someone with light dark skin. It's a naive and "cute" expression as dark coffee gets lightenned when you pour milk and it result in something good. Younger generation will always refers to "mixte" or "métisse".
Why would a white guy in France feel the need to point out a black woman's skin color - to her! She knows what color she is.
Hmm you didn't mention another aspect of the situation in France. Arabs, and discrimination against them, are softened grouped, and mistreated along with blacks. In the United States not as much in the general discussions
You’re such a liar. First, we mostly don’t have Arabic people. We have maghrébins. They don’t come from the same place. Tell a maghrébins he is Arabic, he will scream out.
Second : we have videos that prove that maghrébins can be very very racist against black people. Also, we have Algerian that hate Maroc people, and vice versa. Which start to destroy your ideology of victim groups.
Last : discrimination doesn’t mean racism. For instance: it’s mostly women working in human ressources, so why discrimination against women are not over if it was sexism ? Just because a woman can discriminate against another woman.
If maghrébine are racists against black people, they probably discriminate against them too. Which destroys your ideas of victim groups. And we have people from this pseudo victim group bombing and killing French people, we call them terrorists. Just to end your stupid idea.
So… life I’m general is way more complicated than you seem to believe.
@@junobeach6589 Beaucoup de maghrébins se disent arabe sans problème, et c'est pas parce que des algériens n'aiment pas les marocains que sa veut dire que le racisme anti-maghrébin n'existe pas en France, et si vous croyez que tout les maghrébins sont des terroristes alors vous faite partie du problème pas de la solution.
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So? We have videos that prove white French (or European-heritage French) are racist to Maghrebis and black people, so what’s your point?
Black people, Chinese people amongst others can be racist to maghrebi people too.
In the 1960s the white French were drowning Algerians in the Seine in Paris, did your government and people apologise for that? No.
You white French people are not innocent.
What France and pied noirs did in Algeria during the period of colonisation and especially in the Algerian war of independence is worse with more atrocities committed than all the terrorist attacks in France.
It is YOU who is acting like a victim, take responsibility and accountability for the discrimination and atrocities France has committed and still commits against North Africa and Maghrebi people.
Firstly, I commend you for taking on such a heavy topic so respectfully. I wanted to add re: the comment about telling blacks to go back to their country. I can’t say if African Americans deal with that, but unfortunately many immigrants esp from Mexico for example do deal with that. There seems to be an idea that foreigners are taking jobs away from Americans and that’s why...I believe is the reason. It’s unfortunate, this should be a land where all can pursue liberty and happiness as stated in the US constitution, but is not always the reality for everyone here.
Us constitution applies to citizens of the US, not illegal immigrants
This was very informative. 👍
its not about the stereotypes anymore. its about the people itself whos been doing this shit. used to do this. has been taught and never respected people. sad earth. man oh man🤷🏻♂️
The welfare state has married black women to the government and the drug war has left many black kids fatherless. End the drug war and restore the family.
Exactly. And they are all talking bullshit about inequality. And we all know WHO made one drop rule.
I share your analysis on the difference between our 2 countries. I am french , and I think that in France ,people are more racist with people of north Africa rather than black people.
oui certainement à cause de la guerre d'Algerie .
Thanks for watching!
Because they don't like Muslims
Also, Racism does go beyond skin color. There is a deeper thread of cultural supremacy. This is illustrated in how during the colonial era into today how the Wester/European model is the precedent. It is both visible in France and America in the backlash of cultural changes in the country due to growing diversity evolving the country. Much of the white supremacy and radical nationalism is rooted in this anxiety of losing their country to an invading culture changing their country. Unbeknownst, culture do evolve over time and culture only die when their no longer practiced.