This reminds me of something that Alan Watts teaches. If my experience is a function of my brain, then when my brain stops functioning I will not experience time. The only experience I will have will be the next one that is possible. An infinite amount of time could pass, and I would only experience the next moment that's possible. Considering that I can imagine a version of myself that lives 1 more year but with my memories, it is equally likely, given infinite time, that I will exist forever as a kind of fractal tile on the surface of an infinite set.
I honestly don’t think we will ever understand the reality we are in. Perhaps it isn’t a reality, maybe it is. Maybe it’s a simulated reality inside a box, maybe it’s a simulated reality inside a video game, or maybe it’s something else entirely. My mind is stuck in a loop
I agree, it's the biggest mystery of humanity. Maybe with time we will unlock the mystery, like we used to think the earth was flat. Maybe in a million years from now we will have unlocked the mystery of this reality we are born into.
What would really be interesting is if we were NPCs in some kind of simulation for entertainment/gaming Like have you ever thought you were working or doing something but then someone's watching you from outside of the simulation? Kind of like a one-way mirror.
Just imagine a bouncing DVD logo in a box that hits the sides for all eternity. That DVD logo will eventually return to it's original position it started from after a lot of bounces. Something like this is happening with the Apple, which is why it can eventually reshape itself back given enough time.
@lastname I think entropy is just a state of maximum disorder -- not destruction. The energy is never lost but remains in an unusable form. Hence an apple couldn't reform. Just swirling photons ad infinitum
@@josephthatway1885 The video's analogy takes far too many short cuts and is more akin to a thought experiment in an idealized situation. It makes the apple in a box situation appear much more like the magical transmutation of matter, than what I think realistically would happen. So, for a simple "system" like an apple in a box, it doesn't have the massive starting energy and complexity that a universe has, and so the apple should decay into subatomic particles dispersed evenly within the box, but never ever arrange itself into a more complex object. Furthermore, while it's clear that the brain and DNA can arise within a sufficiently large and complex system of the universe, entropy will take its toll even on our larger scale and prevent the magical self-assembly of subatomic particles into a complex object.
I'm not sure if this is a dumb question: If the universe is finite and if it re-used the state same as now, does it mean that we can be born again? (What I mean is that the particles that make us will use all of its state and then re-use the state that it's been before which will make us be born again)
You're exactly right, if the universe is finite and it lasts an infinite amount of time then it would randomly recreate everything just like it is now and every iteration and infinite amount of times 😲
No my friend. This theory has a major flaw. PROCESS. The fact that the Apple changes to begin with, shows that the Apple isn't in control of it's state of existence. The particles that make up the Apple are products of a process. And they always will be. Decay - causes them to separate and rot. Birth - causes them to become the form Apple. On a universal scale, there are trillions and trillions of processes, actions and reactions taking place per second to create the reality. Without the process the particles, will have potential but achieve no state unless so dictated by the process.
@@JohnDaniels True that it might last an infinite amount of time from this day onward, but what happens in an expanding universe which separates all the galaxies and when all the stars in our nearby galaxies burn out? Does all the remaining matter in the universe become so cold that it reaches absolute zero and then it all contracts and eventually creates another Big Bang?
@@RayRay-zt7bj that's a great question, at the end of the video there is a link to a short video by Carl Sagan who talks about that exact same thing 👍🏻
That is a good question! You would think if the universe was a cycling universe meaning expands and then it collapses and then it expands and then recreates the physics every time it cycles and it cycles indefinitely then I would think any thing conceivably possible would be created and would happen fraternity over and over again, mind blowing 😲
Why human think like this, because we think like this, are our mathematical theory say this, if mathematics say this can you explain Quantum behaviour in one formula. Universal language man. if maths is really universal language we cannot explain caz we don't know complete maths, we still take 10 to 15 years to solve a typical maths problem. we really don't know. If you think we really see Apple after billions and billions of years we need to change the result of double split experiment. Am I Ginious... Am a labour in India...
I think it is a interesting mind-game, but it is wrong. If you didnt get some chalk while physics lesson you may heard of the second law of thermodynamics, which says, that the entropy in a closed system gets more and more. So the theory of the same apple after a big amount of time with a lot of other steps between is wrong...
Matter cannot just disappear, the same amount of matter has always existed; hence, if you leave it trapped in a box that long, it will stay, plus, there cannot be an infinite number of states of matter, so it becomes its first state once again
You're still thinking of it as an apple 🍎 in a box in your room. This box is an infinite void with no gravity or walls or any intrinsic properties at all. The apple is just a stand-in for finite matter/atoms. And infinite time is a stand-in for infinite time. The objects were just chosen to make the scale more fathomable.
@@deadtheories4170 It still wont magically turn into an apple again, ever. Unless the box becomes it's own little independent universe. Which is against the laws of nature. The concept of "the apple turning to dust and then an apple again" is magical thinking. There is NO logic in it.
@@deadtheories4170you have an elementary understanding of the first, second, and third laws of thermodynamics if you think that atoms will reorganize themselves into their original state. Our universe proceeds to more entropy not less, unless this box is its own universe with its own laws of physics, it’s hogwash.
The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another. Krishna said in Gita that, Soul can neither be created nor destroyed. It just transfers from one body to another, that is from one form to another or one body to another.
We are the apple in the box because everything that ever was and is is happening in the box including us right now here watching this video about an apple in a box, happening all at the same time.
Incorrect. There were outside factors needed that made the apple that were not placed in the box. For example the wind energy that carries the pollen, catalyst, and sunlight. You were served the fish and chips. Placed in the same box without the potato peeling, oil, heat used on the oil etc it will not become.fiah and chip again. Either it will reach a point of balance where it does need to change anymore or the entropy would not allow it . I would agree with the box were the shape of the original apple is.
This is impossible in our universe with our understanding of the laws of physics. 1. The universe will not be here for an infinite amount of time. 2. The universe tends to move towards more entropy not less, hence why a broken glass appears in the future, and not before the manufacturing of the glass itself. 3. The idea that the atoms/particles in the box would reach critical mass and fuse is baffling to me, it is very difficult to sustain a fusion reaction with just carbon and ????
@@trentp8035 those are all good points, I think what this video is trying to convey is if our universe cycles and is infinite then every conceivable possible combination will play out an infinite amount of times for eternity. But you're right that's the whole question is the universe infinite. Other issues with this is we don't even know what this universe is, we don't know what this reality is that we are born into. Elon musk thinks at some kind of simulation. Looks like we are in the box and we can't see outside and we're trying to figure out what's going on but currently if you don't have the tools. We used to think the world is flag and with technology and time we figured out it's round and we used to think the world was at the center of the universe too but when we figured out we were wrong again, if we continue on this tradectory then it would seem like eventually with enough time and technology we will figure out what this University is like this reality is it sure would be interesting thing to know.
It is controversial whether or not a universe with a positive cosmological constant, such as our universe appears to have, has a finite or an infinite number of quantum states. There are arguments that the number of states might be of the order of the exponential of the Gibbons-Hawking entropy, one-quarter of the area of the cosmological horizon of the de Sitter spacetime, which for the value of the cosmological constant we observe is about exp(5^3 2^400) This is huge, but finite, so IF the number of states is some finite number like this, there presumably would be a Poincare recurrence time. Even if there is such a finite recurrence time, one would not be able to confirm it, since all records would decay away within this time (though then to reform): Another view is that even if de Sitter spacetime has only a finite number of states, string theory does not, so de Sitter spacetime seems likely to be unstable on a timescale less than the recurrence time. Another view is that de Sitter actually has an infinite number of states, since it can expand to arbitrarily large volume. Tend to think this is right, but that perhaps the states that have a bounce as pure de Sitter does form only a finite set of states. But still there could be tunneling to other values of the cosmological constant. A lot of people working on eternal inflation do believe in the perpetual tunnelling between different values of the cosmological constant in an infinite series of bubble universes that form, though many think that it can become negative in some, and then in those parts the universe will collapse into a big crunch that might be the end for such parts. But other parts would keep expanding, and the numbers of such parts would keep growing exponentially, so that the whole picture would never have a Poincare recurrence, though what happens on one finite part would continue repeating an infinite number of times. Others think that even this should not be the end for the parts that collapse, but one does not know how to handle such big crunches, since the curvature would become very large and take one into a region of very strong curvature where one would need to understand quantum gravity a lot better than we do. So there are a lot of fantastic ideas out there, but since we do not yet understand enough quantum gravity to be able to tell what really happens, it is all rather murky.
Let’s make a distinction between something that’s logically possible and metaphysically possible. Sure, it’s logically possible that these states shuffle continually, but metaphysically these states would end in equilibrium because of thermodynamic laws.
The possibility of the apple forming into a black hole due to vacuum fluctuations. This is a very unlikely scenario, because the probability of an apple acquiring enough mass from vacuum fluctuations is extremely small. So, while it is theoretically possible for an apple to form into a black hole, it is very unlikely to happen. The apple would need to acquire an enormous amount of mass, and even then, the black hole would be unstable and would evaporate very quickly.
And when it repeats, you won’t even notice after your death, because it’s like sleeping, you don’t experience time when you are asleep so every time you wake up in a split second eventhough you’ve slept 8 hours your brain doesn’t know how long you’ve slept for. So my theory is when you die, your soul has to go somewhere, it can’t just vanish, and wherever it will go to, it will happen in a split second eventhough it can be a billion years later just like waking up after 8 hours of sleeping. It’s the same as waking up from being in a coma for days or even months. Does this sound weird or logical?
Well that all hinges on if you have a soul, I think we're like a phone or a computer won't you turn it off or destroy it that information is gone forever. Just like if you was to write a complex equation on a chalkboard and then you took it eraser and erased it all that information would be lost that's not stored anywhere just like with the neuron connections in our brain holding all of our information together once we die and there's no wrong connections the information of who we are is gone I don't think it's stored somewhere in some other place.
I wouldn't phrase it in terms of soul or any of that religious lingo. It might be possible you'd be someone else whether it be a dog, shark, dolphin, bear, etc, or another human. Or a living creature on another planet
That's assuming the molecules continue to rearrange. Otherwise they could just settle for all eternity. But maybe the universe operates differently than a box.
If something is repeated a finite number of times, it's still finite. It would have to repeat an infinite number of times for what you said to be true. So no, just repeating something isn't the same as it being infinite.
This question by itself doesn't have a simple answer, because the universe is possibly infinite in size and expand over time. We don't know for sure if there is a maximal entropy state Frome which every thing else can loop.
That hard to say it randomly found a way, because consciousness is something that is taught, or done. The only living thing with a consciousness are humans. Humans learned to be conscious animals from something, it didn’t just happen
First of all, we have to listen to two major things. Number one is the conversion of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed but can only change forms, a fundamental law in physics known as the law of conservation of energy), matter, and energy state. So we have seen this theory that if we placed an apple inside a sealed container and then we were going to open the container after billions of years, the apple would be in its original form, but I have concluded some major parts. First of all, we’re going to check what gas an apple contains. During the decomposition, gases that an apple contains are methane, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and various other organic compounds, but none of these gases can trigger the fission or fusion reaction because for fission or fusion reactions we have to maintain millions of degrees of temperature, and what you can think is that a single apple can contain or have the capability to produce millions of degrees of temperature. In my opinion, I believe that this story is not true because, as humans, we do not know our own life cycle from carbon to this living being, so how are we so sure about Apple Theory that when we open the Apple box, the apple still exists and it’s original form? Let’s suppose we open the box after billions of years. In my opinion, I believe that there are a number of gases in that sealed container.
We can be pretty sure that this is a ballocks theory with no feet on the ground. It goes against all laws of physics, chemistry and biological evolution. If this was even slightly plausible, we would see spontaneously generated shit spontaneously spawn everywhere. Like a rat in RuneScape.
The universe is just a projection of one consciousness taking different forms. For example a dream, here you are observing but everything that exist in your dream, gets their existence due to you observing them. They are all part of you, even if those persons in your dream believe they are an independent individual. Not sure why I am typing this, this may not be related to the video.
If I put an apple in to the box.. and it decays.. I can't wait an infinite number of years for it become a new apple.. I'll just go pick a new fresh apple from an apple tree. 😂 (Yes I am kidding...)
Because nobody can test this out , so lets put some garbage in the name of insane theory. Then give time frame of trillion and trillion of years, when the human life on earth is already in danger and will not go beyond few thousand years.
I read long time ago that Nietzsche believed in the theory that existence repeats in an infinite cycle as matter and energy transform over time and that was 30 years ago,I took it like it is a lottery combination you have to try all others different combinations before your numbers come out same with the universe same combination will repeat over and over just need unimaginable eons of time...
The box is solid and so protective that nothing can go inside.That means any decomposer also cannot go inside to destroy the apple.Then the apple must remain ok.Any decomposer must not remain inside.
What if you put a living organism like a rat in the box, will it regain life when it's state returns or will it just be a carcus of the rat, because life itself is an energy no one has ever had to understand. And if by any chance it comes back alive, will it have its previous memories?
I think that is what he is saying, if you had a certain amount of matter in the box and an infinite amount of time every iteration that was possible would happen an infinite amount of times.
It may only be the body of the rat though, not the same mind of a rat. Lots of comments here saying they’ll be reborn, but if that’s the case we’d likely have recollection of that. Maybe our bodies are reborn, but who’s to say what happens to the mind.
And I say if I put a person in the box and his body decomposes and after millions of years that body will reborn 🤯 and if he born then will he get the same memories...
@@Elufacts Great question, the thought experiment that they're talking about is if you have enough time maybe not millions of years I mean billions, trillions, quadrillion or more years then the every conceivable possible combination will happen over and over and over again, if we're talking about an eternity of time. And really what they're getting at is if our universe is finite with infinite amount of time then every conceivable combination will happen over and over again for eternity. For a crude example, if you had a hundred dice and you rolled them, what's the odds they would all land on 1? How many times would you have to roll the dice until they all landed on one? An unimaginably amount of time, but if you have infinite time then eventually it will happen.
I don’t agree with the Apple in a Box example. The Apple only exists as a result of a larger organism and ecosystem. It cannot exist without the tree, the prerequisite for its existence can’t fit inside that box. Not only this but there is a limitation on the things it can turn into based off of its atomic composition. You wouldn’t have every known element in that box, all you would have is what the Apple is made of and the particles that fill the air inside. I know it’s trust a though experiment and supposed to be symbolic of a bigger example but it still bothers me lol.
Those are all good points, and you're right it's definitely a thought experiment, just like thinking what's outside of our universe or how did our universe come into existence or how did matter come into existence. All these questions are a mystery and unanswerable with our current technology. But it's still fun to toss around ideas, it's like monkeys trying to open a coconut 😁
Goobs can stop having your minds blown. The Poincaré recurrence theorem is maybe only useful for grasping the vastness of infinity or the cyclical nature of life and nature. It is "not directly applicable to real-world physical systems like an apple in a box. In reality, various factors such as entropy, external influences, and the complexities of quantum mechanics would prevent an apple or any macroscopic object from returning to its exact original state after billions of years. The theorem is more relevant to systems with a small number of degrees of freedom and under certain idealized conditions. While the Poincaré recurrence theorem is a fascinating mathematical result, its direct relevance to everyday phenomena or the behavior of complex systems is limited."
Good analogy, I think he's trying to say that given enough time like if it was an eternity every conceivable combination would happen over and over and over again and then they show the similarity of our universe if it expands and contracts for eternity than every conceivable thing will happen an infinite amount of times. So this exact same life that you're living will happen an infinite amount of times and then think of every conceivable other possibility how your life could change which could happen if any amount of times, very mind-boggling
If is a perfect box, how could it even start the process of decaying ? In a perfect box energy cannont escape and disperse but also cannot enter, il would be in a perfect equilibrium forever since not even oxygen will enter to make the apple decay
Humare dharm ke kitaabo mein kaha gaya hai ki ek din shunya aur infinity ek ho jaate hai.. Isliye Kisi number ko ♾️ se multiply kiya jaye wo infinity ho jata hai aur 0 se karne pe zero.. Dono ka nature ek hee hai.. Saamne wale ko khud mein sama lena.. When 0 = ♾️... Apple can change to nothing and nothingness will again turn into an apple once in a while... That's my theory🌻🌼 Hare Krishna 💛✨
I think that's what he's saying is that Apple at some point will turn into a lightbulb and any other object that is possible. But I mean it would take eons, he's talking about if there's an infinite amount of time.
Same blunder done by zeno for Achilles and tortoise. There may be infinite possibilities but the way to achieve particular situation is also infinite. So it doesn't convert to apple again😮
One important factor that was conveniently left out of this theory, and it's the elephant in the room. The apple is a living fruit, it's not an inanimate object like a rock or water. What makes an apple is not just a collection of elements, it's a collections of lifeforms that when they die they don't come back. Something else might come and consume it, say fungus in the air, but once that goes through its cycle and no more living matter is in the box, the content will stay uninterrupted at its lowest form or inanimate material. This is why we don't see any lifeforms on other planets, even when we find the smallest hints of ice or water, scientists get really excited and ultimately find nothing. Life is a missing piece of every scientific theory such as this.
Well your explaining a theory that only time can a will know! Unfortunately for us we won’t know. We can be in still in the metamorphosis phase of time, remember we really not sure how long something been in existence
The universe recycles energy, point is no matter how many times you blow something up or try to destroy it in other ways, there will ALWAYS be particles of it left which will be an advantage to earth for something else or the same to be created.
The problem with this is that it doesn't take into account the expansion of the universe. Without getting too much into it, most astrophysics are in agreement that the universe will never stop expanding, and in such a system, with the existence of entropy, the particles in the universe will eventually be evenly distributed. If the particles are evenly distributed and the universe keeps expanding, none of the particles will be able to interact with each other to do the things that this video claims. Instead we will be looking at a space devoid of any chance at life. For more info, look up "the big freeze vs the big crunch"
@UCS_U3GDAbv4LDtUud3zo4kQ We have a large body of evidence that the universe is expanding in every direction at all points. Think of a slightly inflated balloon with a few sharpie marks on it, when it inflates, from the perspective of one of the points, it will appear as if any other sharpie mark has become further away. This phenomenon in the universe is known as hubble flow, and because of the nature of that expansion, it could not be true that it is the result of some initial velocity. Additionally, I did not even mention the big bang, just the observation that things in the universe are accelerating away from us proportional to the hubble constant. This is universally accepted by astrophysicists. The only point of slight contention here, is whether or not the universe's expansion will slow down. Though most believe it will not. I am an astrophysics major and got the main point from my textbook btw
The universe cannot expand indefinitely sir. There must be some force still acting on it for it to keep expanding. Even if each partical was separated, currently they are still rearranging themselves. And to besides, they can still interact with each other through the higgs field.
Doesn’t this theory have at least some problems with assuming a discretization of space, which is just a human model for understanding it and not the reality? Not even the more frequently used since often space is studied as continuous, which is nor something “real” as well by the way
Interesting, how about numbers How is that a cycle because if you just started counting from 1, 2, 3, 4 couldn't you just continue to count for Infinity?
@@JohnDaniels the sum of 1+2+3+4.....so on till infinity the result is -1/12(-0.08333) this sum was discovered by famous mathematician srinivasa ramanujan.hollywood made a movie on him *"The Man Who Knew Infinity"*
Ok, so after the the apple turns into its fundamental particles and become gas, what is the mechanism or process by which the apples atoms rearrange themselves back into an apple, which requires the plant to grow on and sunlight to photo synthesize hmm i do agree the atoms would be something but certainly not an apple .
Point is that every particle, energy, atom or w.e they are called, that makes up the apple is still there after it stops being an apple. Given infinite amount of years of reactions inside that box there will be a time that it will become an apple again.
I agree. The film pushes an assumption - as science - that "form is random" ... perhaps to dissuade viewers from any notion of an "outside driver." clever but insidious.
@@veiregor but that's not how energy or particles behave. They aren't random, they have rules. So eventually they would fall into a repeating pattern and there is 100% certainty that onr of those energy states is not in the form of an apple.
@ YarHarFD, One of those rules already created an apple. If it falls into a repeated pattern, eventually an apple will be built again with the same atoms. The issue is simply...are atoms conscious?
Impressive theory. However, plasma lacks the ability to undergo a transformation into heavy elements like carbon or iron. Without the presence of the gravitational force generated by a collapsing star, such a magnitude of gravity becomes implausible within that quantity of matter.
If space is infinite then no they dont have to repeat, they may never have to repeat once. Also particles virtually "pop" in and out of existance (as Stephen Hawkins says) so you dont have a static number of particles, so again it doesnt have to repeat at all, not even once. Only in a scenario of a box made unmodifiable would this happen but thats not possible, this is a pipe theory that will never actually happen so i wouldnt compare it to anything that is already happening. My 2 cents.
This is what I’m thinking too, like where does our soul go to? It’s not something that can be seen or touched by humans but it does exist in our body. So when it repeats, you won’t even notice after your death, because it’s like sleeping, you don’t experience time when you are asleep so every time you wake up in a split second eventhough you’ve slept 8 hours your brain doesn’t know how long you’ve slept for. So my theory is when you die, your soul has to go somewhere, it can’t just vanish, and wherever it will go to, it will happen in a split second eventhough it can be a billion years later just like waking up after 8 hours of sleeping. It’s the same as waking up from being in a coma for days or even months. Does this sound weird or logical?
Guys..crazy thought... Do you think ancient Egyptian knew about this? I mean it could be an explanation to all mummification obsession and also the huge amount of personal items in their tombs, that allegedly, they would need in afterlife.
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This reminds me of something that Alan Watts teaches. If my experience is a function of my brain, then when my brain stops functioning I will not experience time. The only experience I will have will be the next one that is possible. An infinite amount of time could pass, and I would only experience the next moment that's possible. Considering that I can imagine a version of myself that lives 1 more year but with my memories, it is equally likely, given infinite time, that I will exist forever as a kind of fractal tile on the surface of an infinite set.
@Johan Zorro Heaven and hell are not real, we are physical beings with limited lifetimes, we have no choice in our existence as matter.
Very well explain my friend
i disagree
Please explain?
@@SteveBMayer no
Imagine opening the box in the year 9999999999999999999999999999 and seeing a ps5 or sum
😂
“Nothing can come in nothing can go out….so we put an apple in the box”
What would you have done
Just saying how ironic and funny it was that after saying nothing can go IN the box he puts an apple IN the box.
After putting the apple in, nothing will be able to come in or go out.
@@gavincotton5992 you can open it and close it, as long as u dont open it... nothing blah blah
Its an analogy ffs scientists use these all the time to make their hypothesis much clearer and comprehendable
This is honestly mind-blowing.
i disagree
@@mars379 wdym?
I argree jesse, im trying to wrap my mind around this also. Just how?!?!
This is some “I am 14 and this is deep” type of mind blown, but it’s really not that mind blowing at all…
Y’all get that this is not actually what happends right…?
I honestly don’t think we will ever understand the reality we are in. Perhaps it isn’t a reality, maybe it is. Maybe it’s a simulated reality inside a box, maybe it’s a simulated reality inside a video game, or maybe it’s something else entirely. My mind is stuck in a loop
I agree, it's the biggest mystery of humanity. Maybe with time we will unlock the mystery, like we used to think the earth was flat. Maybe in a million years from now we will have unlocked the mystery of this reality we are born into.
Agree
What would really be interesting is if we were NPCs in some kind of simulation for entertainment/gaming
Like have you ever thought you were working or doing something but then someone's watching you from outside of the simulation? Kind of like a one-way mirror.
@@JohnDaniels I have also thought about it multiple times and everytime I think about it fascinated but at the same time scared me.
@@kirimvt If you get a chance, search my channel for 13th floor and there's a great clip of a guy who finds out he's living in a simulation
“Nothing can come in, nothing can come out. So we put an apple in the box”
*But you didn’t have to cut me off*
👋 The studio only allows you to upload to TH-cam a small clip so you have to pick out the best as you can.
@@JohnDaniels I don’t think you understand the meme
@@GetRidOfHandles lolll
You : Laughing at his mistakenly said sentence
Him : Laughing at your 0.000001% knowledge about this video
@@GetRidOfHandles Please explain 🤔
Ok so it is possible that the box creates another box with an apple in it. Mind blowing
it wouldn't fit
Just imagine a bouncing DVD logo in a box that hits the sides for all eternity. That DVD logo will eventually return to it's original position it started from after a lot of bounces. Something like this is happening with the Apple, which is why it can eventually reshape itself back given enough time.
wouldnt dare to imagine the amount of time it needed
"We might be in the box". I got goosebumps
For those interested in the physics of this and whether it is real, it is a clear-cut application of Poincare's recurrence theorem.
Thank you 👍🏻
That's what I was thinking when I saw this part.
By the way, A Ghost Story is a great film that kind of goes into this.
Is this even possible from the physics standpoint?
@@Hilow3 yes it is provided that infinite time exists.
An amount of time so long we can't even comprehend
Physics never leaves Apple 🍎 behind 🤣
Once again Apple did it
😁
😂 I see what you did there!
How is it that entropy wouldn’t prevent the universe, let alone a tiny little system like an Apple in a box, from turning into all that stuff? 🤔
Could you expand please
This is my question too
@lastname I think entropy is just a state of maximum disorder -- not destruction. The energy is never lost but remains in an unusable form. Hence an apple couldn't reform. Just swirling photons ad infinitum
@@josephthatway1885 The video's analogy takes far too many short cuts and is more akin to a thought experiment in an idealized situation. It makes the apple in a box situation appear much more like the magical transmutation of matter, than what I think realistically would happen. So, for a simple "system" like an apple in a box, it doesn't have the massive starting energy and complexity that a universe has, and so the apple should decay into subatomic particles dispersed evenly within the box, but never ever arrange itself into a more complex object. Furthermore, while it's clear that the brain and DNA can arise within a sufficiently large and complex system of the universe, entropy will take its toll even on our larger scale and prevent the magical self-assembly of subatomic particles into a complex object.
@lastname Since no outside action can affect it, and nothing else inside can exist, the water cannot turn to ice, ever.
What I Wana know is how many times over I've been in the box.
😁👍🏻 Exactly and what all you've been through 😲
i disagree
I'm not sure if this is a dumb question: If the universe is finite and if it re-used the state same as now, does it mean that we can be born again? (What I mean is that the particles that make us will use all of its state and then re-use the state that it's been before which will make us be born again)
You're exactly right, if the universe is finite and it lasts an infinite amount of time then it would randomly recreate everything just like it is now and every iteration and infinite amount of times 😲
dont worry about dying, I guess. You'll be back
No my friend. This theory has a major flaw.
PROCESS.
The fact that the Apple changes to begin with, shows that the Apple isn't in control of it's state of existence.
The particles that make up the Apple are products of a process.
And they always will be.
Decay - causes them to separate and rot.
Birth - causes them to become the form Apple.
On a universal scale, there are trillions and trillions of processes, actions and reactions taking place per second to create the reality.
Without the process the particles, will have potential but achieve no state unless so dictated by the process.
@@JohnDaniels True that it might last an infinite amount of time from this day onward, but what happens in an expanding universe which separates all the galaxies and when all the stars in our nearby galaxies burn out? Does all the remaining matter in the universe become so cold that it reaches absolute zero and then it all contracts and eventually creates another Big Bang?
@@RayRay-zt7bj that's a great question, at the end of the video there is a link to a short video by Carl Sagan who talks about that exact same thing 👍🏻
The first statement of the theory already dissolves the theory and highlights it's utter "absurdity".
So is it possible for the entire universe to turn into one giant apple?
That is a good question! You would think if the universe was a cycling universe meaning expands and then it collapses and then it expands and then recreates the physics every time it cycles and it cycles indefinitely then I would think any thing conceivably possible would be created and would happen fraternity over and over again, mind blowing 😲
Why human think like this, because we think like this, are our mathematical theory say this, if mathematics say this can you explain Quantum behaviour in one formula. Universal language man. if maths is really universal language we cannot explain caz we don't know complete maths, we still take 10 to 15 years to solve a typical maths problem. we really don't know. If you think we really see Apple after billions and billions of years we need to change the result of double split experiment. Am I Ginious... Am a labour in India...
I think it is a interesting mind-game, but it is wrong. If you didnt get some chalk while physics lesson you may heard of the second law of thermodynamics, which says, that the entropy in a closed system gets more and more. So the theory of the same apple after a big amount of time with a lot of other steps between is wrong...
Is this life a dream? - Alan Watts
Yes it is
That apple is never ever going to be in the state it was in when it was put in that box. Impossible. It will become dust and nothing else.
Thank you for being reasonable.
Matter cannot just disappear, the same amount of matter has always existed; hence, if you leave it trapped in a box that long, it will stay, plus, there cannot be an infinite number of states of matter, so it becomes its first state once again
You're still thinking of it as an apple 🍎 in a box in your room. This box is an infinite void with no gravity or walls or any intrinsic properties at all. The apple is just a stand-in for finite matter/atoms. And infinite time is a stand-in for infinite time. The objects were just chosen to make the scale more fathomable.
@@deadtheories4170 It still wont magically turn into an apple again, ever. Unless the box becomes it's own little independent universe. Which is against the laws of nature. The concept of "the apple turning to dust and then an apple again" is magical thinking. There is NO logic in it.
@@deadtheories4170you have an elementary understanding of the first, second, and third laws of thermodynamics if you think that atoms will reorganize themselves into their original state. Our universe proceeds to more entropy not less, unless this box is its own universe with its own laws of physics, it’s hogwash.
Gibbs free energy crying in the corner
The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another. Krishna said in Gita that, Soul can neither be created nor destroyed. It just transfers from one body to another, that is from one form to another or one body to another.
We are the apple in the box because everything that ever was and is is happening in the box including us right now here watching this video about an apple in a box, happening all at the same time.
100% 👍🏻
Hi yes officer... you see my steering wheel has turned into an apple.
That's called LSD 😂
It is mesmerising listening to this explanation!
I thought it was funny. I laughed at the end.
Total bullshit.
Despite it being wrong
i disagree
Imagine if our universe is just a toy to some alien kid lol
Like the ending of the first men in black. Lol
A Babel painting something like this
“Nothing can come in, nothing can come out"
"So we put an apple in the box”
me: *but--you cant*
Who needs nuclear energy when we have a red fruit that can shapeshift.
Incorrect. There were outside factors needed that made the apple that were not placed in the box. For example the wind energy that carries the pollen, catalyst, and sunlight. You were served the fish and chips. Placed in the same box without the potato peeling, oil, heat used on the oil etc it will not become.fiah and chip again. Either it will reach a point of balance where it does need to change anymore or the entropy would not allow it .
I would agree with the box were the shape of the original apple is.
This is impossible in our universe with our understanding of the laws of physics. 1. The universe will not be here for an infinite amount of time. 2. The universe tends to move towards more entropy not less, hence why a broken glass appears in the future, and not before the manufacturing of the glass itself. 3. The idea that the atoms/particles in the box would reach critical mass and fuse is baffling to me, it is very difficult to sustain a fusion reaction with just carbon and ????
@@trentp8035 those are all good points, I think what this video is trying to convey is if our universe cycles and is infinite then every conceivable possible combination will play out an infinite amount of times for eternity. But you're right that's the whole question is the universe infinite. Other issues with this is we don't even know what this universe is, we don't know what this reality is that we are born into. Elon musk thinks at some kind of simulation. Looks like we are in the box and we can't see outside and we're trying to figure out what's going on but currently if you don't have the tools. We used to think the world is flag and with technology and time we figured out it's round and we used to think the world was at the center of the universe too but when we figured out we were wrong again, if we continue on this tradectory then it would seem like eventually with enough time and technology we will figure out what this University is like this reality is it sure would be interesting thing to know.
It is controversial whether or not a universe with a positive cosmological constant, such as our universe appears to have, has a finite or an infinite number of quantum states. There are arguments that the number of states might be of the order of the exponential of the Gibbons-Hawking entropy, one-quarter of the area of the cosmological horizon of the de Sitter spacetime, which for the value of the cosmological constant we observe is about exp(5^3 2^400)
This is huge, but finite, so IF the number of states is some finite number like this, there presumably would be a Poincare recurrence time.
Even if there is such a finite recurrence time, one would not be able to confirm it, since all records would decay away within this time (though then to reform):
Another view is that even if de Sitter spacetime has only a finite number of states, string theory does not, so de Sitter spacetime seems likely to be unstable on a timescale less than the recurrence time.
Another view is that de Sitter actually has an infinite number of states, since it can expand to arbitrarily large volume. Tend to think this is right, but that perhaps the states that have a bounce as pure de Sitter does form only a finite set of states. But still there could be tunneling to other values of the cosmological constant.
A lot of people working on eternal inflation do believe in the perpetual tunnelling between different values of the cosmological constant in an infinite series of bubble universes that form, though many think that it can become negative in some, and then in those parts the universe will collapse into a big crunch that might be the end for such parts. But other parts would keep expanding, and the numbers of such parts would keep growing exponentially, so that the whole picture would never have a Poincare recurrence, though what happens on one finite part would continue repeating an infinite number of times. Others think that even this should not be the end for the parts that collapse, but one does not know how to handle such big crunches, since the curvature would become very large and take one into a region of very strong curvature where one would need to understand quantum gravity a lot better than we do.
So there are a lot of fantastic ideas out there, but since we do not yet understand enough quantum gravity to be able to tell what really happens, it is all rather murky.
The universe being infinite is not a problem because matter is finite,… possibly cyclical, but we will never know because time will not allow it.
The big bang teory explaned with a aplle and a box
This is a brilliant explanation of this theory... could not of put it better
Let’s make a distinction between something that’s logically possible and metaphysically possible. Sure, it’s logically possible that these states shuffle continually, but metaphysically these states would end in equilibrium because of thermodynamic laws.
@@RedefineLiving so you're a proponent of the big freeze?
@@JohnDaniels No, I’m a biblical creationist. I’m simply pointing out a distinction and an entailment.
The possibility of the apple forming into a black hole due to vacuum fluctuations. This is a very unlikely scenario, because the probability of an apple acquiring enough mass from vacuum fluctuations is extremely small.
So, while it is theoretically possible for an apple to form into a black hole, it is very unlikely to happen. The apple would need to acquire an enormous amount of mass, and even then, the black hole would be unstable and would evaporate very quickly.
And when it repeats, you won’t even notice after your death, because it’s like sleeping, you don’t experience time when you are asleep so every time you wake up in a split second eventhough you’ve slept 8 hours your brain doesn’t know how long you’ve slept for. So my theory is when you die, your soul has to go somewhere, it can’t just vanish, and wherever it will go to, it will happen in a split second eventhough it can be a billion years later just like waking up after 8 hours of sleeping. It’s the same as waking up from being in a coma for days or even months. Does this sound weird or logical?
Well that all hinges on if you have a soul, I think we're like a phone or a computer won't you turn it off or destroy it that information is gone forever. Just like if you was to write a complex equation on a chalkboard and then you took it eraser and erased it all that information would be lost that's not stored anywhere just like with the neuron connections in our brain holding all of our information together once we die and there's no wrong connections the information of who we are is gone I don't think it's stored somewhere in some other place.
I wouldn't phrase it in terms of soul or any of that religious lingo. It might be possible you'd be someone else whether it be a dog, shark, dolphin, bear, etc, or another human. Or a living creature on another planet
soul doesnt exist, its a stupid concept
That's assuming the molecules continue to rearrange. Otherwise they could just settle for all eternity. But maybe the universe operates differently than a box.
i disagree
Entropy my friend, entropy
Of they could just settle for eternity? If there is energy in the box, there is particle motion.
So there was a time when our universe contains only apple?
or literally anything you can think of?
Adams apple lol
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So adem apple became adem itself 😅
He : what is life ?
Me : An Apple ❤😂
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Instead of an apple… put a human brain in the box. This is collective consciousness. One body. infinite mind. This is reality 😊
that's why doctors fear apple
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I have so many questions! I’ve already written down an entire theory I’ve come up with, because of this theory. This can explain literally everything
Tell me about your theory
Yeah, tell us!
He high
Same I can't even stop thinking about these
Hold on. If you came up with a theroy which can explain everything, how can you still have questions?
infinite is finite but its actually repeating itself you just can't see the boundary where repetition starts or ends
Interesting
If something is repeated a finite number of times, it's still finite.
It would have to repeat an infinite number of times for what you said to be true.
So no, just repeating something isn't the same as it being infinite.
I totally get what you mean
Some one could of put an apple in a box trillions of years ago and that could be our universe. Think outside the box
We are in the box. Yikes. Fascinating stuff!
i disagree
This question by itself doesn't have a simple answer, because the universe is possibly infinite in size and expand over time. We don't know for sure if there is a maximal entropy state Frome which every thing else can loop.
Dying and going to heaven: But you didn’t have to cuuut me oof
Its wild how these events take place and it eventually creates life. It randomly found a way to create intelligent life through time.
Yup only took a measly 4 billion years 😅
That hard to say it randomly found a way, because consciousness is something that is taught, or done. The only living thing with a consciousness are humans. Humans learned to be conscious animals from something, it didn’t just happen
Plenty of animals are conscious, lmao @@joshgaston9611
First of all, we have to listen to two major things. Number one is the conversion of energy (energy cannot be created or destroyed but can only change forms, a fundamental law in physics known as the law of conservation of energy), matter, and energy state. So we have seen this theory that if we placed an apple inside a sealed container and then we were going to open the container after billions of years, the apple would be in its original form, but I have concluded some major parts. First of all, we’re going to check what gas an apple contains. During the decomposition, gases that an apple contains are methane, carbon dioxide, ammonia, and various other organic compounds, but none of these gases can trigger the fission or fusion reaction because for fission or fusion reactions we have to maintain millions of degrees of temperature, and what you can think is that a single apple can contain or have the capability to produce millions of degrees of temperature. In my opinion, I believe that this story is not true because, as humans, we do not know our own life cycle from carbon to this living being, so how are we so sure about Apple Theory that when we open the Apple box, the apple still exists and it’s original form? Let’s suppose we open the box after billions of years. In my opinion, I believe that there are a number of gases in that sealed container.
We can be pretty sure that this is a ballocks theory with no feet on the ground. It goes against all laws of physics, chemistry and biological evolution. If this was even slightly plausible, we would see spontaneously generated shit spontaneously spawn everywhere. Like a rat in RuneScape.
The universe is just a projection of one consciousness taking different forms. For example a dream, here you are observing but everything that exist in your dream, gets their existence due to you observing them. They are all part of you, even if those persons in your dream believe they are an independent individual. Not sure why I am typing this, this may not be related to the video.
"merry...merry....merry, like is but a dream". It's the biggest mystery of humanity
Apple a day, keeps the infinity away.
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If I put an apple in to the box.. and it decays.. I can't wait an infinite number of years for it become a new apple.. I'll just go pick a new fresh apple from an apple tree. 😂 (Yes I am kidding...)
Doesn’t matter. We will forever be in and see in one box
That box is ur moms
Because nobody can test this out , so lets put some garbage in the name of insane theory. Then give time frame of trillion and trillion of years, when the human life on earth is already in danger and will not go beyond few thousand years.
The box:- fuck infinity I’m always same💀
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I read long time ago that Nietzsche believed in the theory that existence repeats in an infinite cycle as matter and energy transform over time and that was 30 years ago,I took it like it is a lottery combination you have to try all others different combinations before your numbers come out same with the universe same combination will repeat over and over just need unimaginable eons of time...
If there is nothing else in the box besides the apple, and assuming there’s a vacuum, how would the apple rot?
Is this detail important for the thought experiment? Add whatever you want to make the apple decay before closing the box.
graveyard gonna be empty after millions of year
The craziest thing about this theory, is that our entire universe is maybe nothing but just another particle in a bigger box... an so on... and so on.
100% mind warp 👍🏻
serious question, how does one put an apple in the box if nothing can go in .. or nothing can go out?
😂.
A TRIP TO INFINITY= MOVING TIME INTO FINITE SPACE
The box is solid and so protective that nothing can go inside.That means any decomposer also cannot go inside to destroy the apple.Then the apple must remain ok.Any decomposer must not remain inside.
What if you put a living organism like a rat in the box, will it regain life when it's state returns or will it just be a carcus of the rat, because life itself is an energy no one has ever had to understand. And if by any chance it comes back alive, will it have its previous memories?
I think that is what he is saying, if you had a certain amount of matter in the box and an infinite amount of time every iteration that was possible would happen an infinite amount of times.
It may only be the body of the rat though, not the same mind of a rat. Lots of comments here saying they’ll be reborn, but if that’s the case we’d likely have recollection of that. Maybe our bodies are reborn, but who’s to say what happens to the mind.
The reason they dig up and open coffins.
And I say if I put a person in the box and his body decomposes and after millions of years that body will reborn 🤯 and if he born then will he get the same memories...
@@Elufacts Great question, the thought experiment that they're talking about is if you have enough time maybe not millions of years I mean billions, trillions, quadrillion or more years then the every conceivable possible combination will happen over and over and over again, if we're talking about an eternity of time. And really what they're getting at is if our universe is finite with infinite amount of time then every conceivable combination will happen over and over again for eternity. For a crude example, if you had a hundred dice and you rolled them, what's the odds they would all land on 1? How many times would you have to roll the dice until they all landed on one? An unimaginably amount of time, but if you have infinite time then eventually it will happen.
We are the box and everything in it
I don’t agree with the Apple in a Box example. The Apple only exists as a result of a larger organism and ecosystem. It cannot exist without the tree, the prerequisite for its existence can’t fit inside that box. Not only this but there is a limitation on the things it can turn into based off of its atomic composition. You wouldn’t have every known element in that box, all you would have is what the Apple is made of and the particles that fill the air inside. I know it’s trust a though experiment and supposed to be symbolic of a bigger example but it still bothers me lol.
Those are all good points, and you're right it's definitely a thought experiment, just like thinking what's outside of our universe or how did our universe come into existence or how did matter come into existence. All these questions are a mystery and unanswerable with our current technology. But it's still fun to toss around ideas, it's like monkeys trying to open a coconut 😁
Goobs can stop having your minds blown. The Poincaré recurrence theorem is maybe only useful for grasping the vastness of infinity or the cyclical nature of life and nature.
It is "not directly applicable to real-world physical systems like an apple in a box. In reality, various factors such as entropy, external influences, and the complexities of quantum mechanics would prevent an apple or any macroscopic object from returning to its exact original state after billions of years. The theorem is more relevant to systems with a small number of degrees of freedom and under certain idealized conditions.
While the Poincaré recurrence theorem is a fascinating mathematical result, its direct relevance to everyday phenomena or the behavior of complex systems is limited."
Sounds a lot like the Poincaré Recurrence Theorem
So essentially one day inside the box you can find a Pokemon card but it's Charizard spelt backwards and a picture of Elvis Presley
Good analogy, I think he's trying to say that given enough time like if it was an eternity every conceivable combination would happen over and over and over again and then they show the similarity of our universe if it expands and contracts for eternity than every conceivable thing will happen an infinite amount of times. So this exact same life that you're living will happen an infinite amount of times and then think of every conceivable other possibility how your life could change which could happen if any amount of times, very mind-boggling
If is a perfect box, how could it even start the process of decaying ? In a perfect box energy cannont escape and disperse but also cannot enter, il would be in a perfect equilibrium forever since not even oxygen will enter to make the apple decay
That's a good point 👍🏻
Repeat the experience with a tiny amount of oxygen in the box if you wish. You can still have chemical process happening even in a close environment.
Repeat the experience with a tiny amount of oxygen in the box if you wish. You can still have chemical process happening even in a close environment.
I think that Egyptian mummies are based this theory. That why they make pyramid like a box .
Kind of reminds me about bhagvat geeta of reborn again and again which is very very scary but that's the truth can't help it
Exactly 👍🏻
Humare dharm ke kitaabo mein kaha gaya hai ki ek din shunya aur infinity ek ho jaate hai.. Isliye Kisi number ko ♾️ se multiply kiya jaye wo infinity ho jata hai aur 0 se karne pe zero.. Dono ka nature ek hee hai.. Saamne wale ko khud mein sama lena.. When 0 = ♾️... Apple can change to nothing and nothingness will again turn into an apple once in a while... That's my theory🌻🌼 Hare Krishna 💛✨
Since when do atoms change into different elements? An apple is not going to ever be a lightbulb under any circumstances
I think that's what he's saying is that Apple at some point will turn into a lightbulb and any other object that is possible. But I mean it would take eons, he's talking about if there's an infinite amount of time.
Same blunder done by zeno for Achilles and tortoise. There may be infinite possibilities but the way to achieve particular situation is also infinite. So it doesn't convert to apple again😮
Put me in that box when I die.
You may already be in that box, our universe 🤔
Aight, ima put myself in a box right before i die and come back in a few billion years.
Well this universe might be a box so you may already be in a box 😲
@@JohnDanielsso assuming the Big Bang theory is real after x time the Big Bang happens agains?
Thats like an programming code isn't?
One important factor that was conveniently left out of this theory, and it's the elephant in the room. The apple is a living fruit, it's not an inanimate object like a rock or water. What makes an apple is not just a collection of elements, it's a collections of lifeforms that when they die they don't come back. Something else might come and consume it, say fungus in the air, but once that goes through its cycle and no more living matter is in the box, the content will stay uninterrupted at its lowest form or inanimate material. This is why we don't see any lifeforms on other planets, even when we find the smallest hints of ice or water, scientists get really excited and ultimately find nothing. Life is a missing piece of every scientific theory such as this.
The elephant it's not the "living matter", the energy would be but since matter is energy, nothing's left out in the theory
if living things dont come back after death then earth wouldve died after one generation
Well your explaining a theory that only time can a will know! Unfortunately for us we won’t know. We can be in still in the metamorphosis phase of time, remember we really not sure how long something been in existence
Interesting point… although can’t living objects be created from previously nonliving particles? Like how humans are made up of stardust supposedly?
You don't have idea gow large is 10^10^24 years or seconds..etc!!
That kind of box can never exist its an imaginary box
@@pacquett1 👍🏻
If you understand this you will no longer fear death.
I’d like to correct your slightly wrong statement: «If you believe this, you are stupid»
How can this box recreate a camera, if a camera is a complex object made by human brains and not just some particles coming together?
So the Apple has x amount of particles, so how would let’s say a watermelon exist in the box. Having more particles
Thanks, now i'll sell a diamond the prize of an apple. Only with the label
"Seal apple in box for approximately 2 billion years for expected product"
😂👍🏻
In the fine print 😁
The universe recycles energy, point is no matter how many times you blow something up or try to destroy it in other ways, there will ALWAYS be particles of it left which will be an advantage to earth for something else or the same to be created.
The problem with this is that it doesn't take into account the expansion of the universe. Without getting too much into it, most astrophysics are in agreement that the universe will never stop expanding, and in such a system, with the existence of entropy, the particles in the universe will eventually be evenly distributed.
If the particles are evenly distributed and the universe keeps expanding, none of the particles will be able to interact with each other to do the things that this video claims. Instead we will be looking at a space devoid of any chance at life.
For more info, look up "the big freeze vs the big crunch"
@UCS_U3GDAbv4LDtUud3zo4kQ We have a large body of evidence that the universe is expanding in every direction at all points.
Think of a slightly inflated balloon with a few sharpie marks on it, when it inflates, from the perspective of one of the points, it will appear as if any other sharpie mark has become further away. This phenomenon in the universe is known as hubble flow, and because of the nature of that expansion, it could not be true that it is the result of some initial velocity.
Additionally, I did not even mention the big bang, just the observation that things in the universe are accelerating away from us proportional to the hubble constant. This is universally accepted by astrophysicists.
The only point of slight contention here, is whether or not the universe's expansion will slow down. Though most believe it will not.
I am an astrophysics major and got the main point from my textbook btw
The universe cannot expand indefinitely sir. There must be some force still acting on it for it to keep expanding. Even if each partical was separated, currently they are still rearranging themselves.
And to besides, they can still interact with each other through the higgs field.
Doesn’t this theory have at least some problems with assuming a discretization of space, which is just a human model for understanding it and not the reality? Not even the more frequently used since often space is studied as continuous, which is nor something “real” as well by the way
It's very hard to create a box like that
And if the repeating pattern is predictable then the universe is deterministic.
Everything that seems infinite to us is actually a cycle.
time, universe, numbers etc
Interesting, how about numbers How is that a cycle because if you just started counting from 1, 2, 3, 4 couldn't you just continue to count for Infinity?
@@JohnDaniels the sum of 1+2+3+4.....so on till infinity the result is -1/12(-0.08333) this sum was discovered by famous mathematician srinivasa ramanujan.hollywood made a movie on him *"The Man Who Knew Infinity"*
Ok, so after the the apple turns into its fundamental particles and become gas, what is the mechanism or process by which the apples atoms rearrange themselves back into an apple, which requires the plant to grow on and sunlight to photo synthesize hmm i do agree the atoms would be something but certainly not an apple .
Point is that every particle, energy, atom or w.e they are called, that makes up the apple is still there after it stops being an apple. Given infinite amount of years of reactions inside that box there will be a time that it will become an apple again.
I agree. The film pushes an assumption - as science - that "form is random" ... perhaps to dissuade viewers from any notion of an "outside driver." clever but insidious.
@@veiregor but that's not how energy or particles behave. They aren't random, they have rules. So eventually they would fall into a repeating pattern and there is 100% certainty that onr of those energy states is not in the form of an apple.
are you in high school?
@ YarHarFD,
One of those rules already created an apple.
If it falls into a repeated pattern, eventually an apple will be built again with the same atoms.
The issue is simply...are atoms conscious?
how accurate is this???? does this apply to any other objects in the box???? idgiiiiii
There's nowhere to test this, but this is what this guy theorizes is possible with an infant amount of time.
Impressive theory.
However, plasma lacks the ability to undergo a transformation into heavy elements like carbon or iron. Without the presence of the gravitational force generated by a collapsing star, such a magnitude of gravity becomes implausible within that quantity of matter.
that means vegetables in my refrigerator doesn't got bad...its just i open the refrigerator early...
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So rick from rick and mothy was right. You can create a whole ask univers and life inside of a box
It kind of alludes to the idea of eternal recurrence.
If space is infinite then no they dont have to repeat, they may never have to repeat once. Also particles virtually "pop" in and out of existance (as Stephen Hawkins says) so you dont have a static number of particles, so again it doesnt have to repeat at all, not even once. Only in a scenario of a box made unmodifiable would this happen but thats not possible, this is a pipe theory that will never actually happen so i wouldnt compare it to anything that is already happening. My 2 cents.
Just another statement of Boltzmann brain.
How so?
What if instead of an apple it was a human. Would that mean you live forever? Since all the molecules would eventually build you back
This is what I’m thinking too, like where does our soul go to? It’s not something that can be seen or touched by humans but it does exist in our body. So when it repeats, you won’t even notice after your death, because it’s like sleeping, you don’t experience time when you are asleep so every time you wake up in a split second eventhough you’ve slept 8 hours your brain doesn’t know how long you’ve slept for. So my theory is when you die, your soul has to go somewhere, it can’t just vanish, and wherever it will go to, it will happen in a split second eventhough it can be a billion years later just like waking up after 8 hours of sleeping. It’s the same as waking up from being in a coma for days or even months. Does this sound weird or logical?
Guys..crazy thought... Do you think ancient Egyptian knew about this? I mean it could be an explanation to all mummification obsession and also the huge amount of personal items in their tombs, that allegedly, they would need in afterlife.