Fishing the old way is a one of the hardest jobs a person could do, years and years to learn how and when to catch fish. I give the oldways these guys learned how to be a professional bass fish pro. My hats off to them, there the backbone of bass fishing.
I ask only 1 question watching live scope. COULD that angler have caught THAT fish without the box? 99% of the time, they wouldn't have a clue it was exactly right there, and they would have had almost no chance of casting exactly on that fish's head.
I caught one in the lip last summer, released it in 3 seconds after a 20 second fight. as soon as I set it the water, went stiff as a board. The more fish are being caught, the more fish are dying. Even catch and release only. We can stock more fish if we have more $$$$. who has the money? oh ya we gave it to BIG TEC.
That literally makes 0 sense to the whole argument. Fishing catching rates have increased not decreased. The guys who catch ‘em catch them regardless of FFS.
I disagree with Randy on plenty of issues. But I agree 100% with him about banning FFS from professional fishing tournaments. Watching a monitor while a sonar searches for fish for you to throw a lure at. It’s a lazy way for a professional fisherman to compete. Bass tournaments are either going to put the fish first in every manner or way, or the sport will cease to exist when the winning bag dips below 10lbs. If you don’t want to put the time in to learn how to fish competitively, then find another profession.
"Fishing is the act of hunting for fish." That sums it up completely. The mystery, the planning, the moments of anticipation, the excitement and joy, even the disappointment, and the learning. All that is gone if turning on an electronic device, is all that is required. I feel sad for all those who cannot comprehend, or are so ate up with competitive greed, that they will never experience any of this. But most of all, and this is what makes me angry, I feel sad for the end of an era of innocence, and the sport, shared with father and children for ages, may soon be lost to all of us. I do have an idea. Let's make FFS only legal when used for catching carp. Start your own tournaments. That might do us all some good.
Can you address the In-Fisherman, Oct./ Nov. 2024 article on page 10 titled "Live Sonar and Blue Catfish. Researchers with Kansas Department of wildlife and Kansas State university did a test with 16 two man teams half with Live sonar half without. The long and the short of it was there was no difference, the sonar teams spent more time looking for fish while the other team just fished and the catch rate was the same. Are there any studies like this for bass that are quantifiable that prove what you are saying? Mostly what I have seen so far are opinions and the elephant in the room is all electronics on a boat do what you say live scope does, shows structure, shows fish, etc. etc.. maybe not in real time but they do the same thing. My home lake is less then 400 acers and sometimes has three tournaments a week, I have seen first hand the fish kills as a result besides the rude guys cutting you off, ripping past you and pushing a wake that about throws you out of the boat. I'm 65 and retired, I fish a lot and I fish for fun not for money, the lust for money and the win is what has really ruined the sport. My two cents
I have been watching old footage. One one the Mobile Delta that Randy fished. The pattern was cranking and spinnerbaiting. It was an old Pro Am. Everyone was casting and cranking and there was an excitement to it. Compared to today. No way. Go back and watch old footage the proof is in film.
Not the same ,I used detailed lake maps for ever, helpful , but it does not show you if any fish are there or not you have to figure it out from scratch
I am a kayak bass fisherman, we measure all our catches, why can’t the bass boat fisherman do the same. Bass is less likely to be injured, stay healthy, etc.
So close! At the end there. Why not just say it? Relly makes me 🤔... Just say it. "Boycott anyone who use it. No click, no like, no share, no watch, no buy, no $ for scopers". Start making using it detrimental to angler success. Angler success rely entirely on social media now. Just say it randy.
Another consideration is that regular scanning sonar is becoming good enough to not need FFS. Like Mega360 on the front of the boat. If we got rid of FFS, everyone could use the best scanning sonar which is getting better and better all the time, so technology would still be at play.
So, people who use FFS are missing out on the old ways of fishing? I imagine someone said that when the automobile was invented. Think of all the things people missed when they zoomed through the countryside in their new-fangled ve-hi-cles compared to those just loping along in their mule-drawn carriages.
They take years to fully react. A couple or three years to gather data. Another couple or three to change regulations. And hardly any real enforcement due to the small number of officers on the water. Most of our fisheries will be severly depleted by the time G&F can step in to make a difference.
Randy, having ffs doesn't guarantee catching fish. Even with ffs you still have winners and losers. And I can assure you the ones that win with ffs can win from the shallow brush you spoke of. Why don't you just get one and try it ? You might be surprised at what you are saying.
If I were in the fishing situation you described, the first thing I would do is make sure I wasn’t fishing in water contaminated by toxic Lead mining chat, like the headwaters of your beloved Grand Lake is. Where is the Lead for your toxic jigs mined? What’s downstream or downwind? What mining standards are being followed? Lots of questions…
I am 45, started fishing when I was 5 years old… I have scope now because I compete. I used to win without it in the winter, back in the day throwing a smithwick rogue over ledges and points 20-25ft deep. I’d weigh 17-20 pounds and second place would weigh 5-10lbs. People’s jaw would drop when I said rogue and they saw how far off the bank I was. I couldn’t see them , but knew they were there. When scope came out, it evened the playing field. But I challenge anyone in a 15-20 mph wind and a spinning rod and 1/8 ounce weight, or anything of your choice to come put 5 bass in the box in 8 hours fishing using it… most of people complaining honestly can’t control the boat well enough to even use it .. I can go with or without. Doesn’t matter to me.
What can we do about this problem because there is a lot of money thrown at it, I’m with you I’ll never own FFS but I don’t know how to stop it because we have people in our club using it and I don’t know why because it’s not helping them win anything We have a lot of shallow lakes and ponds up here in the Northeast so they are just waiting there money
That’s not true !! Have you not listened to the last 1000 idiotic rants on this page !! Surely you know that it’s the magic box that makes every fish it sees bite your lure !! 😂 You can’t beat that kind of advantage ! You have to have it to compete !! Lmao
Your right i was with & friend at Lake Powell those stipers left when when he hit that pod with that pin FFS we watch them leave and wood not bite moved back into Halls with no soner and it was crazy Thanks Mr.
I have a neighbor young guy just bought a new aluminum ranger rt all he has on it is a garmin force and a 12 “ or better garmin Livescope on the bow. Nothing on console at all no power poles . I asked him why nothing on console at least for mapping he said Livescope is all he needs to catch fish. So I didn’t try to argue against it what do you say to someone who knows it all lol.
Your only mistake in this video, is that you shouldn't focus on bass, even though that's our thing. The impact on crappie, channel catfish, spoonbill, striper, white bass, walleye, trout, salmon, grouper, snapper, and many more are even more impacted since bass are the most released species! They might as well legalize using explosives.
When people say you still have to make them bite", they have absolutely no clue what is actually going on. It's a nonsensical argument by people that don't live in reality.
All electronics should be banned from fishing, use your sense get experience, and stop being a lazy couch potato sitting in a boat staring at a screen what a boring unskilled way to catch fish, (from Andrew from south Africa)
Randy, Why would you of all people sell toxic Lead trinkets while complaining about lazy scopers? Toxic Lead is lazy … and, uh, Toxic. Some day can you speak to that obvious misalignment of values? Are you going to do a non-toxic in this lifetime? Ready to support your move in the right direction. Dedicated viewer.
The worst part about it is all the guides are using it and the regular Joe and not practicing catch and release That’s the biggest problem it’s killing are fishery’s up here in Wisconsin put that out there to Randy it goes far beyond the tournament fishing looking forward to that video 🤞🏻👍🏻
Good job Randy keep talking about ffs it’s so bad for OUR fisheries maybe just maybe it will sink in and get banned love your opinions about this subject
I can see this in a few years after studies and fisheries are monitored, there being severe fishing restrictions put in place catch limits, where you can fish where you can’t it’s gonna turn around and bite the fishing industry in the a$$.
Maybe bypass the tournaments and go directly to fish and wildlife and ban it on lakes. Also, in tournaments, they should weigh and measure then release, no weigh in because it kills 50% of the bass. They did the science. Also, buddy taught his 10 year old how to use it, and he outfishes his dad with it.
@winstonrocco1981. Toxic Lead is like Livescope for those who can’t find ways to incorporate safer more environmentally friendly alternatives. Yes, I still have tackle containing Lead. However, I stopped putting new Lead in my tackle boxes some time ago. Do you have a plan or goal? Thoughts?
I’m sorry but, catching fish shallow is an art form but, no way as hard as Randy makes it out to be. People could figure out shallow fishing in less time than it take for Livescope.
Randy, Where do you come up with this crap? Saying livescope takes to many fish is like saying you cant shoot a deer with a gun > Thats cheating. Its to easy. You should only use a stick and string.The means of finding fish is one thing but how many fish the angler takes is the problem. Most people, including myself practice catch and release 100 % of the time. Your blaming the wrong thing just like the gun haters.
They don’t know how to fish.should go home and play on your game boy. Have you seen the TV adds it’s all about playing those stupid games. Lazy people.
FFS is a new technology, that has additional advantages. It will be hard, virtually impossible, to stop such things. Or people for using them. That being said, why not factor the use of FFS, and other technologies, into tournament fishing - and handicap them? If you use FFS you start off, for example, at a negative 75 lbs (-75). If you use side scan you start off at negative 25 (-25) lbs. No electronics, you start at zero lbs. Perhaps the playing field could be made even in a manner such as that? Personally I wouldn't use it, but I don’t see how it can be avoided.
I agree that it should be limited in tournaments, but recreational fishing can be controlled with limits and slots IMO. I do believe that FFS should not be used for catch and release recreational fishing because too many fish will be killed unnecessarily. Another idea is maybe it should be made illegal to fish while using live scope. In other words it can be used for scouting only, but must be turned off while casting. With all that being said, I do believe the anti-FFS argument has some validity, but the answer will be some kind of compromise.
In a world with live scope we need catch limits. I need a catch limit without scope. Start to feel bad after catching 50 in one day. Ok I found them and figured them out, now I'm just bashing their brains in. Depending on the lake, overcrowded lakes we want everyone to catch 100 so the average gets bigger. I was catching 2lb schoolies on a trophy lake. Might have done more harm than good. if 20 out of 100 die, catch and release. Probably going to help the fish get bigger. IN THAT SPECIFIC LAKE. Others i wish everone would go scope and catch and keep 100 a day. Broken Bow OK. no one needs to keep a trophy, but everyone should keep 15 12inch fish A DAY!
The meat fishermen are heavily into Live Scope and FFS. Game and Fish departments are slow to gather data and react with new limits and regulations. Fisheries are being depleted quickly.
@ Absolutely correct. We need to Protect our trophy fisheries. You should be allowed to keep as many fish as helps the individual fishery. Keeping 15 a day under 12 inches, at broken bow will help the fishery become better. No one should be allowed to intentionally kill a bass in Grand Lake.
I realize that the younguns are pretty much forced into this. Also very important is 3 days of practice and dragging back those fish. At least 45% mortality rate. Not sure what tournament Edwin Evers fishes, but most of the time the judge weighs them and the fish are returned right then. What's wrong with that?
You people that are against FFS better watch what you wish for. As many Tournaments there are theses days and as popular as sport fishing is, if all the FFS guys went to the bank with y'all, it would be so crowded that no body would be catching anything
I will respectfully disagree with a majority of your "lie" comments. Only an individual that has not used FFS believes you just turn it on, and you start catching or even seeing fish like portrayed by many anti-FFS folks. I am 50 years old and have fished events here in Northern CA since I was a teenager. I can tell you that the weights at the lakes / bodies of water I have fished for years remains consistent, even with the increased usage of FFS in our region. Our area has been known for highly pressured bodies of water for years. I understand that some traditionalists do not like FFS, that is a choice every angler (not just bass fisherman) are allowed to make. The evolution of baits, boats, clothing, equipment, etc. has changed and will continue to change the industry. I've said it before, it's hard for a business or industry to change their business plan because of a few individuals that disagree with their business practices......when you have 100's of other individuals supporting the products that they are offering. We as consumers have choices....we can fish events that allow FFS and support those businesses, or not. Looking forward to more tip videos, livescope videos not so much.
@@winstonrocco1981 No sir...If you actually read my comments I don't bash anyone for their views on FFS, it's a choice. I am guessing you sent that response on a computer, or a smart phone? Stupid technology...lol
@@rodmakermagazine7117 I am an "old guy" that likes trying new technology when it's feasible. There have been and will continue to be huge evolutions in technology in pretty much all aspects of our lives, including fishing. When recessed foot pedal trays came out, I preached that it was hands down the best innovation in fishing ever...I could fish all day and my ankle and back thanked me. Then there was spotlock, which still to this day I think is the biggest advantage one can have over his competitors without it, at least out West where I fish. Having the ability to offset the water level on my basic 7" Humminbird and then highlight depths in a certain depth range is pretty amazing considering the paper maps I use to, and still use.....it's a HUGE advantage and nobody complains about it. My goal with FFS was to see how fish react in certain situations. How many times have you been on them, and the bite dies....conditions like water clarity, sun, temperature, etc. didn't change, there just gone. I fish against a lot of anglers that have and are extremely efficient with FFS. I am not, I fish about once a month, and I try to learn a little every time I go out if the conditions allow it but realistically my learning curve is going to much longer than someone who fishes more. Time on the water has always been key when learning a body of water, a new technique, etc. Thats how it's always been, and in my opinion is the same as it is now. The anglers that put in the time on the water and perfecting their craft are the ones that seem to be more successful. I didn't knock the anglers out West dropshotting because they took the time to learn the bodies of water, electronics, gear, and technique to catch them. They spent the time, I didn't have to devote to it and I am okay with that. I don't have a big fancy 20' 250hp bass boat with all the options, but I have my boat setup to my fishing style, and budget. I can say that if someone believes you turn on FFS, see fish, cast, and automatically catch them you have been misled by the anti-FFS movement, because that is 100% not the case, and that is fact! I understand that there are many anglers against FFS, but there seem to be many more that are embracing the new technology or all the organizations would be shutting it down...wouldn't they? The great thing about our sport is there are many different options available to anglers. There are circuits that don't allow FFS, there are kayak events, small boat circuits, bass clubs, Pro Am's, team events, online events, catch-measure-picture events, etc. that were not available 10+ years ago. I personally will continue to embrace new technology, techniques, etc. when feasible. I don't bash anyone for their views on FFS, but much like politics, there are individuals on BOTH sides of FFS debate need be open to listening to the information provided.
Paul Elias said I’ve learned more in last six years live scope Fishing that I learned the prior 40 years, I wouldn’t exactly call him a young dude, just saying.
@ The only reason a person can't compete with a 62K Ranger out of a bathtub is the ranger gets to scope....... I'm ok with taking longer to get to my hole. You get to fish in the fish tank at bass pro shops while I'm fishing Okeechobee.
Meat eaters are a tiny percentage compared to live well transport and the inevitable mortality rate. I catch photo and release, according to Kayak Bass fishing rules. I may eat one in the future, but for now I'm sticking with crappie and larger bluegill.
I feel like your anger directed towards the everyday anger is falling on deaf ears. If you really want change to happen you need to petition the state and the dnr. If the livescope is legal why wouldn’t a private citizen use it?
Guess what your shallow water fishing how you think you need to know a 100 thing I am 62 and cast what ever I want at any angle and what ever at it and catch fish
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If all that stuff you just talked about was true you should have won every tournament you’ve fished for the last decade with your experience. #grumpyoldman 😂
im 62 been bass fishing for 54 years all bass fishermen have been beating the bank longer an we didnt kill all the bass so how is ffs going to do it i dont have it but as long as its legal who am i to say people shouldnt use it Randy get a life an i dont see your name on the NPFL list so get over it PEACE OUT
Tournaments are killing bass populations, and FFS has little to do with it. Fish and game studies show almost nobody eats bass. YOU are killing them. Crappie is a different story. Most people keep everything they catch over a length limit.
I’ve been live scoping for four years and everything that you tried to teach and the magazines that tell you how to fish are all wrong. It’s a learning curve fish don’t jump on your boat just because you have Forward facing sonar it makes you a better angler more knowledgeable.
You’d do better to discuss the effects FFS is having on crappie fishing. Mississippi has had to lower limits on the 4 greatest crappie lakes in the US, solely due to FFS. Those same biologists say it has had no effect on bass populations. You claim to be a follow the science guy. Well, science says tournament fishing weigh-ins are destroying the bass, not FFS. But, FFS is destroying crappie populations. Perhaps your focus should change to where SCIENCE says the damage is occurring.
The anglers that spend a lot of time with ffs know that most of what we thought about bass movements and behavior was false., making the old guys you tube channels obsolete
🤣 Nice try. It was a reliable way of putting together a pattern. Seeing the fish, live, 100' out in front of you just sorta changes everything. Dummy. I bet Chris Johnson would hammer you straight under the water. Even with your man child toy.
OH! You are the keeper of the truth and the way and the light! All hail Astrophysicsguy! HAIL. Please tell us what is right and virtuous oh dear dear Don Quixote.
@@fishinninja18 one major fact is all the information in this video is hearsay because Randy has never even used ffs, all his information comes from videos and other hater’s not,from experience. All he has left is drama videos for money so keep drinking the kool aide he has a family to support.
@ fishingninja18 ... like most of Randy's cultist you seem to have little ability to focus on what is actually said ... unlike Randy, who for the last 2 years has told you that there is only ONE true way to bass fish - his way ... I have NEVER told anyone, not even once, how they should fish. Fish whatever way makes you happy, FFS, bank fishing, kayak, no electronics, etc, etc. only Randy tells people how they must act ... please try to pay more attention from now on.
Randy I'm on your side mostly about FFS and really appreciate all the tips. I'm 58 , live 30 minutes away from Guntersville and have fished it all my life, so I see what FFS is doing to the lake. But.. the "question" that you want to ask a young FFS angler is ridiculous and makes you come off as insane and arrogant. I don' believe you or anyone else for that matter thinks about ALL those variables "plus many more" before making a cast. The one most important thing FFS has shown me is that a LOT of what I thought I knew about bass behavior and what "seasoned" pros like yourself have been peddling for decades is WRONG. But I will still click on your videos just to watch you pull and tug at your twisted panties. ROLL TIDE !
Thanks for selling your brand of Toxic lead fishing lures, Randy. The world is a better place for you having done this. We appreciate you setting such a high bar when it comes to environmental issues under your direct control.
Toxic Lead is like Livescope for those who can’t find ways to incorporate safer more environmentally friendly alternatives. Mining 4000 tons of toxic Lead annually to toss into our waters (non-recycled end use -straight into the drink) is unnecessary. Lead Mine tailings leached into water by acid rain, Lead chat dust blowing in the wind, the actual Lead trinkets being ingested by wildlife, especially birds … a bad idea from start to finish.
@winstonrocco1981. “Lead is the least of our worries” is a flawed argument. Using, buying, selling toxic Lead fishing tackle is 100% under your control. Even if it’s lower on your radar of worries, it’s a worry you can do something about. You can address Lead while bitching about Livescope at the same time, just like walking and chewing bubble gum.
Maybe you should use some type of FFS technology to correctly write sentences, use pronunciation and when to use cap locks. Typical cheater box mentality. 🤦🏼♂️
Hey Stoney why you yelling….you have no clue what Randy is throwing down. I disagree with Randy on many issues- but FFS will be the downfall of our fisheries. Go somewhere else with your mom’s basement comments.
Lie #1 is absolutely true and because you don't own one and have NEVER used one you have no concept of how hard it is to catch fish you can see on FFS. Just go watch any of Jonny's videos on FTM where he has spent 2 hrs or more chasing fish on video without a bite. Lie #2. You need to go research how much fishing experience the young anglers have when they hit the pro circuit. Between nigh school and college fishing teams most have 8-9 years of tournament. experience before hitting the pros and many have been fishing 5 days a week their entire lives. As far as who can beat who you have no way to know this unless they fish head to head ... no " facts" just pure opinion. Lie #3. Of all the things you say on this channel this statement " livescope is like going to kindergarten ..." has to be the most ignorant thing you've ever said and demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of this tech. People don't use FFS for all sorts of reasons .. financial, ethical, unaware of it and yes, even some admit they are not technological savy enough to figure it out. Lie #4. FFS is not harming fisheries ... BSEs (bass slaughter events) ARE! BSEs have been slaughtering bass for 40 years, FFS has been around for about 3. Actual scientific studies about bass mortality have shown in some tournaments a 40% kill rate within 2 weeks of the event, 40%! FFS doesn't kill bass, tournament fisherman kill them. Lie #5. Keeping up with the times ... this is not a lie. You don't need to keep up with tech advances in fishing if you don't want to. Last time I checked this was still America and you could do whatever you wanted that was legal. If you want to spend your time beating teh bank, knock yourself out, why should I care how you fish as long as it's legal? Get the hint? Stop telling others how to fish and that the only 'right'' way is your way. Who appointed you the Almighty righteous god of bass fishing? You can continue to preach your oponion until you're blue in the face, I could care less ... HOWEVER, every time you try to represent your fringe opinions as objective fact without a single shred of factual data you can expect I'll be posting a comment ... and one more thing ... FFS for recreational anglers is NEVER going away, never 👽🦖
Ohh another Gen Z with a tantrum lmao. Chill boy FFS studies are out there and all of them tell the same story you little man can’t catch jack without one. Zip it 🤐
Yo Astroturf in the next couple of years when you go out on your home body of water and can’t catch nothing but a 12 inch dink you’ll have yourself to thank.
It doesn’t matter to me, I’m just going to fish like I always do. But your not going to stop technology, i would use it if someone gave it to me, but I wouldn’t watch it biting my lure. If it shows you the fish I would just cast in that direction.
Fishing the old way is a one of the hardest jobs a person could do, years and years to learn how and when to catch fish. I give the oldways these guys learned how to be a professional bass fish pro. My hats off to them, there the backbone of bass fishing.
I ask only 1 question watching live scope. COULD that angler have caught THAT fish without the box? 99% of the time, they wouldn't have a clue it was exactly right there, and they would have had almost no chance of casting exactly on that fish's head.
And if THEY didn't catch THAT one fish they saw on FFS, how does that effect you? People need to do there own thing and mind there own business.
@@ZZ430T56public water is everyone’s business
Fishing has changed since livescope. Lakes catching rates have dropped big time. Something is up, all the lakes we fish.
I caught one in the lip last summer, released it in 3 seconds after a 20 second fight. as soon as I set it the water, went stiff as a board. The more fish are being caught, the more fish are dying. Even catch and release only. We can stock more fish if we have more $$$$. who has the money? oh ya we gave it to BIG TEC.
"Something" LOL
That literally makes 0 sense to the whole argument. Fishing catching rates have increased not decreased. The guys who catch ‘em catch them regardless of FFS.
@@fishinninja18THIS RIGHT HERE! WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP! 💯💯
@fishinninja18 summertime its very important not to fish with light line. Fighting a bass in hot water on light line is a death sentence.
I despise Livescope
Me too...too much pressure on our fisheries
I disagree with Randy on plenty of issues. But I agree 100% with him about banning FFS from professional fishing tournaments. Watching a monitor while a sonar searches for fish for you to throw a lure at. It’s a lazy way for a professional fisherman to compete. Bass tournaments are either going to put the fish first in every manner or way, or the sport will cease to exist when the winning bag dips below 10lbs. If you don’t want to put the time in to learn how to fish competitively, then find another profession.
Unethical
Ban Live Scope on ALL Public Water 💦💯🧐
Ban the cheater/lake killer box!
💯👍🧐
It’s never going to stop because there’s guys out there that can’t catch a fish without it.
they wont go from catching 50 a day to 5 a day unless they have to.
Live scope ruined Bass fishing
Spot on Randy
"Fishing is the act of hunting for fish." That sums it up completely. The mystery, the planning, the moments of anticipation, the excitement and joy, even the disappointment, and the learning. All that is gone if turning on an electronic device, is all that is required. I feel sad for all those who cannot comprehend, or are so ate up with competitive greed, that they will never experience any of this. But most of all, and this is what makes me angry, I feel sad for the end of an era of innocence, and the sport, shared with father and children for ages, may soon be lost to all of us.
I do have an idea. Let's make FFS only legal when used for catching carp. Start your own tournaments. That might do us all some good.
Can you address the In-Fisherman, Oct./ Nov. 2024 article on page 10 titled "Live Sonar and Blue Catfish. Researchers with Kansas Department of wildlife and Kansas State university did a test with 16 two man teams half with Live sonar half without. The long and the short of it was there was no difference, the sonar teams spent more time looking for fish while the other team just fished and the catch rate was the same. Are there any studies like this for bass that are quantifiable that prove what you are saying? Mostly what I have seen so far are opinions and the elephant in the room is all electronics on a boat do what you say live scope does, shows structure, shows fish, etc. etc.. maybe not in real time but they do the same thing. My home lake is less then 400 acers and sometimes has three tournaments a week, I have seen first hand the fish kills as a result besides the rude guys cutting you off, ripping past you and pushing a wake that about throws you out of the boat. I'm 65 and retired, I fish a lot and I fish for fun not for money, the lust for money and the win is what has really ruined the sport. My two cents
I have been watching old footage. One one the Mobile Delta that Randy fished. The pattern was cranking and spinnerbaiting. It was an old Pro Am. Everyone was casting and cranking and there was an excitement to it. Compared to today. No way. Go back and watch old footage the proof is in film.
I agree 💯%, but people these days don't want to fish they want to catch them.
We already know that we're capable of destroying the resource. The trick is convincing humanity that self control is in our best interests.
Nobody complained about high definition mapping, which in my opinion single handedly left fish no where to hide!
Not the same ,I used detailed lake maps for ever, helpful , but it does not show you if any fish are there or not you have to figure it out from scratch
I am a kayak bass fisherman, we measure all our catches, why can’t the bass boat fisherman do the same. Bass is less likely to be injured, stay healthy, etc.
So close! At the end there. Why not just say it? Relly makes me 🤔... Just say it. "Boycott anyone who use it. No click, no like, no share, no watch, no buy, no $ for scopers". Start making using it detrimental to angler success. Angler success rely entirely on social media now. Just say it randy.
I stated 8 years ago bud.......
Me too
@@winstonrocco1981 check out this new jig head minnow I designed. LMFAO
Another consideration is that regular scanning sonar is becoming good enough to not need FFS. Like Mega360 on the front of the boat. If we got rid of FFS, everyone could use the best scanning sonar which is getting better and better all the time, so technology would still be at play.
No Dynamite, no dip nets. Rules for Thee not For ME!
Take away computers and they have zero clue what to do!!!!!!!! !
So, people who use FFS are missing out on the old ways of fishing? I imagine someone said that when the automobile was invented. Think of all the things people missed when they zoomed through the countryside in their new-fangled ve-hi-cles compared to those just loping along in their mule-drawn carriages.
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Fish and game is all we have.. they must do something God I pray fish and game steps up because tournament management doesn’t care.
They take years to fully react. A couple or three years to gather data. Another couple or three to change regulations. And hardly any real enforcement due to the small number of officers on the water. Most of our fisheries will be severly depleted by the time G&F can step in to make a difference.
@@rodmakermagazine7117Agreed, but it has been several years. Money talks in this industry. It's disappointing.
Randy, having ffs doesn't guarantee catching fish. Even with ffs you still have winners and losers. And I can assure you the ones that win with ffs can win from the shallow brush you spoke of. Why don't you just get one and try it ? You might be surprised at what you are saying.
Live Scope is commercial technology that has no place in sport fishing.
sight fishing with an A rig and 5 snag hooks.
If I were in the fishing situation you described, the first thing I would do is make sure I wasn’t fishing in water contaminated by toxic Lead mining chat, like the headwaters of your beloved Grand Lake is. Where is the Lead for your toxic jigs mined? What’s downstream or downwind? What mining standards are being followed? Lots of questions…
Randy i recently watched some pro tournaments where they were frizzing every fish how is this good does it work or is it for show
I am 45, started fishing when I was 5 years old… I have scope now because I compete. I used to win without it in the winter, back in the day throwing a smithwick rogue over ledges and points 20-25ft deep. I’d weigh 17-20 pounds and second place would weigh 5-10lbs. People’s jaw would drop when I said rogue and they saw how far off the bank I was. I couldn’t see them , but knew they were there. When scope came out, it evened the playing field. But I challenge anyone in a 15-20 mph wind and a spinning rod and 1/8 ounce weight, or anything of your choice to come put 5 bass in the box in 8 hours fishing using it… most of people complaining honestly can’t control the boat well enough to even use it .. I can go with or without. Doesn’t matter to me.
What’s your view on perspective mode?
What can we do about this problem because there is a lot of money thrown at it, I’m with you I’ll never own FFS but I don’t know how to stop it because we have people in our club using it and I don’t know why because it’s not helping them win anything We have a lot of shallow lakes and ponds up here in the Northeast so they are just waiting there money
That’s not true !! Have you not listened to the last 1000 idiotic rants on this page !! Surely you know that it’s the magic box that makes every fish it sees bite your lure !! 😂
You can’t beat that kind of advantage ! You have to have it to compete !! Lmao
Your right i was with & friend at Lake Powell those stipers left when when he hit that pod with that pin FFS we watch them leave and wood not bite moved back into Halls with no soner and it was crazy Thanks Mr.
wonder if the pings echo up and down the whole place? probably driving them nuts!
I have a neighbor young guy just bought a new aluminum ranger rt all he has on it is a garmin force
and a 12 “ or better garmin Livescope on the bow. Nothing on console at all no power poles . I asked him why nothing on console at least for mapping he said Livescope is all he needs to catch fish. So I didn’t try to argue against it what do you say to someone who knows it all lol.
Your only mistake in this video, is that you shouldn't focus on bass, even though that's our thing. The impact on crappie, channel catfish, spoonbill, striper, white bass, walleye, trout, salmon, grouper, snapper, and many more are even more impacted since bass are the most released species! They might as well legalize using explosives.
When people say you still have to make them bite", they have absolutely no clue what is actually going on. It's a nonsensical argument by people that don't live in reality.
Because you can see them, increases the chance of catching them tremendously.
Fished a tourny on bull yesterday. Scoped for 4 hours and never got a bite. They would not commit. Does the scope help you? Not always.
100 percent agree spot on!!
Another thing they say is, you don't like it because you can't afford it which is ridiculous.
All electronics should be banned from fishing, use your sense get experience, and stop being a lazy couch potato sitting in a boat staring at a screen what a boring unskilled way to catch fish, (from Andrew from south Africa)
Welcome to Carnival barking 101, I’m professor Turgeson …
If the helicopter lure caught a fish every cast no matter what; I would want it banned too.
What about side scan? Is it ok?
no front facing or live image sonars should be tournament legal.
Side scan shows you where the fish were 10 seconds ago. not where they are exactly now.
Randy, Why would you of all people sell toxic Lead trinkets while complaining about lazy scopers? Toxic Lead is lazy … and, uh, Toxic. Some day can you speak to that obvious misalignment of values? Are you going to do a non-toxic in this lifetime? Ready to support your move in the right direction. Dedicated viewer.
The worst part about it is all the guides are using it and the regular Joe and not practicing catch and release That’s the biggest problem it’s killing are fishery’s up here in Wisconsin put that out there to Randy it goes far beyond the tournament fishing looking forward to that video 🤞🏻👍🏻
Good job Randy keep talking about ffs it’s so bad for OUR fisheries maybe just maybe it will sink in and get banned love your opinions about this subject
Agree 100%
I can see this in a few years after studies and fisheries are monitored, there being severe fishing restrictions put in place catch limits, where you can fish where you can’t it’s gonna turn around and bite the fishing industry in the a$$.
Maybe bypass the tournaments and go directly to fish and wildlife and ban it on lakes. Also, in tournaments, they should weigh and measure then release, no weigh in because it kills 50% of the bass. They did the science. Also, buddy taught his 10 year old how to use it, and he outfishes his dad with it.
My favorite lie is that using toxic Lead for fishing lures isn’t an environmental issue. Toxic Lead deniers say this a lot.
If it was a real issue ,tungsten weights wouldn’t cost 20 bucks for 4 or them
Still use lead
@winstonrocco1981. Toxic Lead is like Livescope for those who can’t find ways to incorporate safer more environmentally friendly alternatives. Yes, I still have tackle containing Lead. However, I stopped putting new Lead in my tackle boxes some time ago. Do you have a plan or goal? Thoughts?
I’m sorry but, catching fish shallow is an art form but, no way as hard as Randy makes it out to be. People could figure out shallow fishing in less time than it take for Livescope.
Why use live scope? Just use an underwater camera. The view is the same only better .
Simple point. If scorers are not DEPENDANT on it, why are they against banning it
Randy, Where do you come up with this crap? Saying livescope takes to many fish is like saying you cant shoot a deer with a gun > Thats cheating. Its to easy. You should only use a stick and string.The means of finding fish is one thing but how many fish the angler takes is the problem. Most people, including myself practice catch and release 100 % of the time. Your blaming the wrong thing just like the gun haters.
Livescope promotes unfair capture of game fish. Bass are a limited natural resource.
IT'S NOT A FISHING TOURNAMENT!
IT'S A LIVESCOPE TOURNAMENT
They don’t know how to fish.should go home and play on your game boy. Have you seen the TV adds it’s all about playing those stupid games. Lazy people.
Would you rather bow kill a 8 point 170 inch buck on a high fence feeder or spot and stalk on public land?
FFS is a new technology, that has additional advantages.
It will be hard, virtually impossible, to stop such things. Or people for using them.
That being said, why not factor the use of FFS, and other technologies, into tournament fishing - and handicap them?
If you use FFS you start off, for example, at a negative 75 lbs (-75).
If you use side scan you start off at negative 25 (-25) lbs.
No electronics, you start at zero lbs.
Perhaps the playing field could be made even in a manner such as that?
Personally I wouldn't use it, but I don’t see how it can be avoided.
I agree that it should be limited in tournaments, but recreational fishing can be controlled with limits and slots IMO. I do believe that FFS should not be used for catch and release recreational fishing because too many fish will be killed unnecessarily. Another idea is maybe it should be made illegal to fish while using live scope. In other words it can be used for scouting only, but must be turned off while casting. With all that being said, I do believe the anti-FFS argument has some validity, but the answer will be some kind of compromise.
In a world with live scope we need catch limits. I need a catch limit without scope. Start to feel bad after catching 50 in one day. Ok I found them and figured them out, now I'm just bashing their brains in. Depending on the lake, overcrowded lakes we want everyone to catch 100 so the average gets bigger. I was catching 2lb schoolies on a trophy lake. Might have done more harm than good. if 20 out of 100 die, catch and release. Probably going to help the fish get bigger. IN THAT SPECIFIC LAKE. Others i wish everone would go scope and catch and keep 100 a day. Broken Bow OK. no one needs to keep a trophy, but everyone should keep 15 12inch fish A DAY!
The meat fishermen are heavily into Live Scope and FFS. Game and Fish departments are slow to gather data and react with new limits and regulations. Fisheries are being depleted quickly.
@ Absolutely correct. We need to Protect our trophy fisheries. You should be allowed to keep as many fish as helps the individual fishery. Keeping 15 a day under 12 inches, at broken bow will help the fishery become better. No one should be allowed to intentionally kill a bass in Grand Lake.
lets have a fish off. randy blauket vs. the best fisherman under 25 years old.
no ffs
I realize that the younguns are pretty much forced into this. Also very important is 3 days of practice and dragging back those fish. At least 45% mortality rate. Not sure what tournament Edwin Evers fishes, but most of the time the judge weighs them and the fish are returned right then. What's wrong with that?
All opinion and assumptions. No fact
You people that are against FFS better watch what you wish for. As many Tournaments there are theses days and as popular as sport fishing is, if all the FFS guys went to the bank with y'all, it would be so crowded that no body would be catching anything
I will respectfully disagree with a majority of your "lie" comments. Only an individual that has not used FFS believes you just turn it on, and you start catching or even seeing fish like portrayed by many anti-FFS folks. I am 50 years old and have fished events here in Northern CA since I was a teenager. I can tell you that the weights at the lakes / bodies of water I have fished for years remains consistent, even with the increased usage of FFS in our region. Our area has been known for highly pressured bodies of water for years. I understand that some traditionalists do not like FFS, that is a choice every angler (not just bass fisherman) are allowed to make. The evolution of baits, boats, clothing, equipment, etc. has changed and will continue to change the industry. I've said it before, it's hard for a business or industry to change their business plan because of a few individuals that disagree with their business practices......when you have 100's of other individuals supporting the products that they are offering. We as consumers have choices....we can fish events that allow FFS and support those businesses, or not. Looking forward to more tip videos, livescope videos not so much.
If FFS doesn't offer you an advantage, why do you use it?
Bet you hunt high fence ranches too lol
@@winstonrocco1981 No sir...If you actually read my comments I don't bash anyone for their views on FFS, it's a choice. I am guessing you sent that response on a computer, or a smart phone? Stupid technology...lol
@@rodmakermagazine7117 I am an "old guy" that likes trying new technology when it's feasible. There have been and will continue to be huge evolutions in technology in pretty much all aspects of our lives, including fishing. When recessed foot pedal trays came out, I preached that it was hands down the best innovation in fishing ever...I could fish all day and my ankle and back thanked me. Then there was spotlock, which still to this day I think is the biggest advantage one can have over his competitors without it, at least out West where I fish. Having the ability to offset the water level on my basic 7" Humminbird and then highlight depths in a certain depth range is pretty amazing considering the paper maps I use to, and still use.....it's a HUGE advantage and nobody complains about it. My goal with FFS was to see how fish react in certain situations. How many times have you been on them, and the bite dies....conditions like water clarity, sun, temperature, etc. didn't change, there just gone. I fish against a lot of anglers that have and are extremely efficient with FFS. I am not, I fish about once a month, and I try to learn a little every time I go out if the conditions allow it but realistically my learning curve is going to much longer than someone who fishes more. Time on the water has always been key when learning a body of water, a new technique, etc. Thats how it's always been, and in my opinion is the same as it is now. The anglers that put in the time on the water and perfecting their craft are the ones that seem to be more successful. I didn't knock the anglers out West dropshotting because they took the time to learn the bodies of water, electronics, gear, and technique to catch them. They spent the time, I didn't have to devote to it and I am okay with that. I don't have a big fancy 20' 250hp bass boat with all the options, but I have my boat setup to my fishing style, and budget. I can say that if someone believes you turn on FFS, see fish, cast, and automatically catch them you have been misled by the anti-FFS movement, because that is 100% not the case, and that is fact! I understand that there are many anglers against FFS, but there seem to be many more that are embracing the new technology or all the organizations would be shutting it down...wouldn't they? The great thing about our sport is there are many different options available to anglers. There are circuits that don't allow FFS, there are kayak events, small boat circuits, bass clubs, Pro Am's, team events, online events, catch-measure-picture events, etc. that were not available 10+ years ago. I personally will continue to embrace new technology, techniques, etc. when feasible. I don't bash anyone for their views on FFS, but much like politics, there are individuals on BOTH sides of FFS debate need be open to listening to the information provided.
I’ll be following NPFL in 2025
Paul Elias said I’ve learned more in last six years live scope Fishing that I learned the prior 40 years,
I wouldn’t exactly call him a young dude, just saying.
Oh yeah and the big one. You guys hate it because you can’t afford it 🤦🏼♂️. The live scope angler arrogance is out of control 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah that one is hysterical.
Only live scoopers afford, I mean deserve to win anyways.
Yes because my new ranger was 62k before live scope but I can't afford it...
These people are pathetic.
@ The only reason a person can't compete with a 62K Ranger out of a bathtub is the ranger gets to scope....... I'm ok with taking longer to get to my hole. You get to fish in the fish tank at bass pro shops while I'm fishing Okeechobee.
@ I get a Harley, you get a Huffy. WAnnA RaCE?
Meat eaters are a tiny percentage compared to live well transport and the inevitable mortality rate. I catch photo and release, according to Kayak Bass fishing rules. I may eat one in the future, but for now I'm sticking with crappie and larger bluegill.
I feel like your anger directed towards the everyday anger is falling on deaf ears. If you really want change to happen you need to petition the state and the dnr. If the livescope is legal why wouldn’t a private citizen use it?
Man I can't catch any fish anymore . Ever since the ffs came out.
Lies about why we can’t do better than toxic Lead … could you address that topic? Set your bar higher.
Self-driving trucks would allow a handful of people to collect the paychecks of millions of people.
Guess what your shallow water fishing how you think you need to know a 100 thing
I am 62 and cast what ever I want at any angle and what ever at it and catch fish
Should ban tournament fishing also
It doesn’t matter how good you are at boxing, if I get bear mace. Ju- What? Mr. Jalapeno hot sauce, super condensed, for your viewing pleasure. MMA Champion of the Universe.
If all that stuff you just talked about was true you should have won every tournament you’ve fished for the last decade with your experience. #grumpyoldman 😂
So what you’re saying is, if we put a motor on the bicycle, it’s no longer bike racing? But I don’t wanna pedal!
im 62 been bass fishing for 54 years all bass fishermen have been beating the bank longer an we didnt kill all the bass so how is ffs going to do it i dont have it but as long as its legal who am i to say people shouldnt use it Randy get a life an i dont see your name on the NPFL list so get over it PEACE OUT
Tournaments are killing bass populations, and FFS has little to do with it. Fish and game studies show almost nobody eats bass. YOU are killing them. Crappie is a different story. Most people keep everything they catch over a length limit.
Stop crying, Randy please just keep her calm to yourself
I’ve been live scoping for four years and everything that you tried to teach and the magazines that tell you how to fish are all wrong. It’s a learning curve fish don’t jump on your boat just because you have Forward facing sonar it makes you a better angler more knowledgeable.
If I catch a shark at sea world, how impressed would you be? See him down there watch this!
@@fishinninja18 Going by your comments I would be impressed if you’ve ever caught anything
@@spencersmith6754 I don't need you to be impressed with me.
You’d do better to discuss the effects FFS is having on crappie fishing. Mississippi has had to lower limits on the 4 greatest crappie lakes in the US, solely due to FFS. Those same biologists say it has had no effect on bass populations. You claim to be a follow the science guy. Well, science says tournament fishing weigh-ins are destroying the bass, not FFS. But, FFS is destroying crappie populations. Perhaps your focus should change to where SCIENCE says the damage is occurring.
Woke up early so i can watch the first anti-live scope video of the day on Randy's channel.
The anglers that spend a lot of time with ffs know that most of what we thought about bass movements and behavior was false., making the old guys you tube channels obsolete
🤣 Nice try. It was a reliable way of putting together a pattern. Seeing the fish, live, 100' out in front of you just sorta changes everything. Dummy. I bet Chris Johnson would hammer you straight under the water. Even with your man child toy.
Why are they there? Doesn't matter. Throw your minnow.
Just by this title I know I'm going to have to rebut the claims that are made and provide some objective facts and I haven't even watched it yet!
Where are the facts you promised?
No nets but FFS is fine.
OH! You are the keeper of the truth and the way and the light! All hail Astrophysicsguy! HAIL. Please tell us what is right and virtuous oh dear dear Don Quixote.
@@fishinninja18 one major fact is all the information in this video is hearsay because Randy has never even used ffs, all his information comes from videos and other hater’s not,from experience. All he has left is drama videos for money so keep drinking the kool aide he has a family to support.
@ fishingninja18 ... like most of Randy's cultist you seem to have little ability to focus on what is actually said ... unlike Randy, who for the last 2 years has told you that there is only ONE true way to bass fish - his way ... I have NEVER told anyone, not even once, how they should fish. Fish whatever way makes you happy, FFS, bank fishing, kayak, no electronics, etc, etc. only Randy tells people how they must act ... please try to pay more attention from now on.
Mike Long fishes fair and square with live scope. he catches them in the mouth just like everyone else. those fish all swiped his jerkbait.
What politician you talkn bout
I think it’s pretty obvious
Randy I'm on your side mostly about FFS and really appreciate all the tips. I'm 58 , live 30 minutes away from Guntersville and have fished it all my life, so I see what FFS is doing to the lake. But.. the "question" that you want to ask a young FFS angler is ridiculous and makes you come off as insane and arrogant. I don' believe you or anyone else for that matter thinks about ALL those variables "plus many more" before making a cast. The one most important thing FFS has shown me is that a LOT of what I thought I knew about bass behavior and what "seasoned" pros like yourself have been peddling for decades is WRONG. But I will still click on your videos just to watch you pull and tug at your twisted panties. ROLL TIDE !
Thanks for selling your brand of Toxic lead fishing lures, Randy. The world is a better place for you having done this. We appreciate you setting such a high bar when it comes to environmental issues under your direct control.
Dude u don’t know what your talking about
Lead is the least of our worries lol
Toxic Lead is like Livescope for those who can’t find ways to incorporate safer more environmentally friendly alternatives. Mining 4000 tons of toxic Lead annually to toss into our waters (non-recycled end use -straight into the drink) is unnecessary. Lead Mine tailings leached into water by acid rain, Lead chat dust blowing in the wind, the actual Lead trinkets being ingested by wildlife, especially birds … a bad idea from start to finish.
@winstonrocco1981. “Lead is the least of our worries” is a flawed argument. Using, buying, selling toxic Lead fishing tackle is 100% under your control. Even if it’s lower on your radar of worries, it’s a worry you can do something about. You can address Lead while bitching about Livescope at the same time, just like walking and chewing bubble gum.
RANDY STILL USES FLIP PHONE, WATCHES BLACK AND WHITE T.V. AND WON't LET HIS WIFE HAVE A MICROWAVE OVEN. BEN FOR THE WIN
Thx for confirming your low fishing skill level, Scoper 👍
Maybe you should use some type of FFS technology to correctly write sentences, use pronunciation and when to use cap locks. Typical cheater box mentality. 🤦🏼♂️
Hey Stoney why you yelling….you have no clue what Randy is throwing down. I disagree with Randy on many issues- but FFS will be the downfall of our fisheries. Go somewhere else with your mom’s basement comments.
Lie #1 is absolutely true and because you don't own one and have NEVER used one you have no concept of how hard it is to catch fish you can see on FFS. Just go watch any of Jonny's videos on FTM where he has spent 2 hrs or more chasing fish on video without a bite. Lie #2. You need to go research how much fishing experience the young anglers have when they hit the pro circuit. Between nigh school and college fishing teams most have 8-9 years of tournament. experience before hitting the pros and many have been fishing 5 days a week their entire lives. As far as who can beat who you have no way to know this unless they fish head to head ... no " facts" just pure opinion. Lie #3. Of all the things you say on this channel this statement " livescope is like going to kindergarten ..." has to be the most ignorant thing you've ever said and demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of this tech. People don't use FFS for all sorts of reasons .. financial, ethical, unaware of it and yes, even some admit they are not technological savy enough to figure it out. Lie #4. FFS is not harming fisheries ... BSEs (bass slaughter events) ARE! BSEs have been slaughtering bass for 40 years, FFS has been around for about 3. Actual scientific studies about bass mortality have shown in some tournaments a 40% kill rate within 2 weeks of the event, 40%! FFS doesn't kill bass, tournament fisherman kill them. Lie #5. Keeping up with the times ... this is not a lie. You don't need to keep up with tech advances in fishing if you don't want to. Last time I checked this was still America and you could do whatever you wanted that was legal. If you want to spend your time beating teh bank, knock yourself out, why should I care how you fish as long as it's legal? Get the hint? Stop telling others how to fish and that the only 'right'' way is your way. Who appointed you the Almighty righteous god of bass fishing? You can continue to preach your oponion until you're blue in the face, I could care less ... HOWEVER, every time you try to represent your fringe opinions as objective fact without a single shred of factual data you can expect I'll be posting a comment ... and one more thing ... FFS for recreational anglers is NEVER going away, never 👽🦖
@@astrophysicistguy Well said!!
@ thx. I wish I didn't have to keep doing this but clearly I do ... 👽
I actually watch his channel to specifically read your comments and you never disappoint. Spot on again. Thank you for your based perspective!
Ohh another Gen Z with a tantrum lmao. Chill boy FFS studies are out there and all of them tell the same story you little man can’t catch jack without one. Zip it 🤐
Yo Astroturf in the next couple of years when you go out on your home body of water and can’t catch nothing but a 12 inch dink you’ll have yourself to thank.
It doesn’t matter to me, I’m just going to fish like I always do. But your not going to stop technology, i would use it if someone gave it to me, but I wouldn’t watch it biting my lure. If it shows you the fish I would just cast in that direction.
One thing about it you can't get through a video without putting people down about there political views.I do agree with you on FFS