JCM900 Bias Video

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  • @darthdurkelthewise320
    @darthdurkelthewise320 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a fantastic video, and super helpful. I just bought a Marshall 2466 VM and I plan on making use of this tutorial. Too many of the few videos that are out there are either flat out wrong or they don’t provide proper warning ⚠️ and explanation of parts, tools needed, etc.
    Bravo sir, bravo.

  • @vertebralremains379
    @vertebralremains379 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thankyou for making this man, I'm taking a shot at biasing my new tubes in my JCM900 4500 50 watt tonight, I feel more confident attacking it after watching this.

  • @hadley101
    @hadley101 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for posting such an excellent video in biasing the JCM 900 amps. Used this to bias my JCM 900 2100 SL-X, excellent work man!

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks so much for taking the time to comment!

  • @greghall8992
    @greghall8992 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video..very..very informative and explained.Thanks for sharing your skills and talents with us .

  • @Mikem-mq2hh
    @Mikem-mq2hh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spectacular video!!!

  • @brpadington
    @brpadington 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2555x and was unsure about biasing. It has bias points which makes it a lot easier and safer. what I don't know is what I should bias it at. When they shipped it the bias was all out of spec. One side was 85 and the other was 65. I put them both at 70 and it sounded much better.

  • @1-800-NO-FAULT
    @1-800-NO-FAULT 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey
    I just changed tubes on my 900 combo. Your video was great. Unfortunately I watched it after I almost blew myself up. LOL All the things you mentioned I figured out by trial and error, one other thing is where is the 56K R28 resistor so I can replace with 47k cause EL 34 cant be biased properly the way mine is set up.

  • @xderiwx
    @xderiwx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! Do you personally drain your filter caps when doing tube changes/biasing? Thanks!

  • @krudler406
    @krudler406 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excellent vid, thanks.
    also yes, killer amp indeed.

  • @kenyonanderson5275
    @kenyonanderson5275 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Roy, great video, best I've been able to find. But, I have a JMP 100W Super Lead Mkii which I'm going to replace the 6550s. Is the biasing procedure the same for this vintage amp? I know the voltage/current values will be.

  • @AndyK.23
    @AndyK.23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative! I miss the 'old' days when you could actually get tubes at reasonable prices!

  • @SongsForDamnation
    @SongsForDamnation 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good video. Just a question: what current is your probe measuring? Is it connected to pin n.8 (cathode)?

  • @Lymanization
    @Lymanization 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another question if you have time,? I have many tube heads in storage for over a year most from early 2000's or late 90's,will they be ok in a few months more of storage? Thanks again man,realy, a great tech you are!

  • @Black-Maple
    @Black-Maple 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Roy, first, really cool video, usefull and carrefully explained. I was wondering about modifing it to 50w. What about removing 2 tubes, to have a 50w version : Same process with only two tubes?

  • @1-800-NO-FAULT
    @1-800-NO-FAULT 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can only bias my up to 26ma. I also went out and bought a eurotube pro one just to avoid the aggravation cause I thought for an 75 bucks it was worth it.

  • @BrewersArcade
    @BrewersArcade 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this!

  • @hushjohnny9543
    @hushjohnny9543 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video man! I just bumped into a 94' JCM900 4100 100 watt. The amp sounded great at the sellers home, however I don't think i'm going to use it until I get done what your doing to this one! I'm a little confused about seeing the 7881's being replaced with the ones you put in this amp, and others using EL34's. Should I stay with 7881's.. are EL34's okay to put in? Is one set better for the amp or not? I play harder rock/metal. I do know you get a different sound with different valves. Again..'thanks for your video.. the best on youtube! \,,/

  • @billwilliams6338
    @billwilliams6338 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ROY COX,
    Is the Chokes storing current like a reservoir like the filter capacitors or is the Choke doing something else to the AC ripple, not sure if the Choke is regulating the current?
    Most Power tubes 6L6,EL34 use a B+450vdc on the plates, if you increase the B+ to +600vdc would this increase the AC ripple but why would it increase the AC ripple? i would think it would decrease the AC ripple because more B+ voltage mean less current draw from the power tubes.
    When you're biasing the power tubes in an amplifier circuit how do you bias the compression of the power tubes the 1dB compression point of when the power tubes start to compression? because its say to bias tubes at a 30mA bias current per tube to be safe but how do you know when the tube is compressing?

  • @Wardell43
    @Wardell43 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tube prices have doubled recently since we are have trade issues with Russia and China.
    I use Mojotone for my parts and you can use them to check the tube prices.
    I think I paid roughly $25 each for the 2 Gold Lion ECC83 that are now $44 each.

  • @vincent33195
    @vincent33195 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I'm curious- is it necessary to do this with each power tube in the amp? Or are we assuming that the tubes are matched to begin with? Any benefit to testing one vs. all four, except to ensure that the tubes are matched? Finally- what kind of bias probe do you prefer?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are usually done in pairs, meaning you can take a reading of the right two and then the left two, etc. if you are reading and biasing singles, then atleast check the first and then last to make sure they are way different.

  • @MrOzgooner
    @MrOzgooner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is awesome Roy..Have to ask though , did you notice the difference between the 5881 stock tube to the 6L6 ?

    • @hushjohnny9543
      @hushjohnny9543 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      great question. I just found his video and asked a similar question,, I just bought a 94' JCM900. It has 7881's. Taking it in soon to have done what he's doing and i'm curious about the same thing!

  • @Albee213
    @Albee213 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a JCM 900 MKIII that has all stock tubes from the factory and they are still good. I has EL34 tubes and I have not had it to a shop. I have read that it might be biased from the factory to run 6L6 tubes and that it might be over biased running a lower current, is there any way I can check that without a bias probe? My amp was made in 1990 serial starting with Y.
    Since I play metal I use only metal on my amp.

  • @MBString
    @MBString 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The best video for biasing on youtube!! i have one question though if you can answer, can i do this and how without a bias probe and only one multimeter? and the screwdriver you are using, they dont have the metal tip??

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much! Sincerely appreciate that! You can bias with one multimeter only, you just have to use it to read the plate voltage and then use it to bias the amp instead of having them both hooked up. The screwdriver has a metal tip but completely incased in plastic and rubber.

    • @MBString
      @MBString 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Roy Cox Oh thanks for quick reply!! So i can measure bias current the same way as plate voltage? I dont need a bias probe for tube socket?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MBString I'm pretty sure you can measure bias by using using different pins but I'm not familiar with biasing without a bias probe . If you do some research you may be able to find info on biasing without a probe. Be careful!

  • @underpressureman
    @underpressureman 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    so is it just the 1 bias pot that you have to bias or is there one for every output tube?

  • @richclayton5785
    @richclayton5785 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good safe advice

  • @camillopillan8247
    @camillopillan8247 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video! what is it the voltage of the plate or anode ac or dc?

  • @danielsaturnino5715
    @danielsaturnino5715 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a friend bring me one of those that was faulty. It had power transformer buzzz. Is that normal? And when I take it out of standby I could hear a little bit also on the speaker. Thanks

  • @scottm382
    @scottm382 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Marshall ma50h head. When I check the 3 pins for bias one side (tube) is 35mv and the other side is reading 18 volts. There's no buz. What am I doing wrong ?

  • @rockstaradventures1
    @rockstaradventures1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive got an issue with mine, it works fine, but when reading the plate voltage, im getting 672 and not 470 like the average, what can I check or what could be causing this? Thanks!

  • @camillopillan8247
    @camillopillan8247 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    for measuring the current i have to se multimeter in mm current and put the red on pin3 and negative on the ground-Chassis?

  • @arrakkis666
    @arrakkis666 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this a safety when working on tube amps video or a video on amp biasing?

  • @roycox4415
    @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's definitely pin 3 it's just that the PIN numbers fall slightly behind the actual pins so it just appears to be pin 4.

  • @shredding51
    @shredding51 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what's the bias for the 50w?

  • @Lymanization
    @Lymanization 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best vid yet,,I'm looking to buy a JCM 900 but he put tubes in it of another kind and did not bias it,what do you think?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry I. Missed your message! Did you buy the amp back then?

  • @themathrock1607
    @themathrock1607 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome!

  • @underpressureman
    @underpressureman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question. So you were touching the red probe to pin 3 with the black alligator clip on the chassiz to get the reading I understood that part, but when it came time to adjust the bias how were the probes set up, did you just have an alligator clip on pin 3 instead of the probe, or how was it hooked up to get the bias reading?Also can you bias an amp without knowing the values of each tube? Like do you only need to get the reading off pin 3 and thats it for this amp?

    • @Black-Maple
      @Black-Maple 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you unplug the alligators after reading the plate voltage, and plug it on the bias probe, to read mA. you only have to do it for one tube. Pay attention to buy paire quartet.

  • @juceliodelmondes1755
    @juceliodelmondes1755 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did u find that 30W information? Datasheet too? What field? Is it plate voltage or screen grid? I can't find the same information on the Sovtek 6550WE Tetrode.

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the tube wattage is from the tube manufacturer and follow the video closely and i talk about where i find the plate voltage, etc.

  • @dokdorian
    @dokdorian 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    such a great video... thanks so much for ur work! if i saw this vid couple of days ago.. i could have saved nearly 100$ haha. hey btw! i have jcm900 sl-x. does sl-x has same form like ur, so i can bias mine same as what u've done to urs?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolutely!

    • @dokdorian
      @dokdorian 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      thx for reply! cheers mate!

    • @MIKEROADDOG
      @MIKEROADDOG 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      great video Roy , very detailed , what about the other 3 tubes , do you use the same adjustment pod for the other 3 tubes ? , my 900slx conked out , blew a output valve fuse no -2-3 valve , replaced the fuse with the same value , , fuse LED shows not lit now , so fuses are good , but no sound now , just hum , i'm going to replace the output valves with the same ones sovtek 5881 , so this video i'm using as reference , everything in the amp board looks good no blown caps no burnt resistors , since the output valve fuse blew im assuming its the tube 2-3 , they are 23 years old , i understand your whole video except the part after you did the first tube , does that one tube adjustment cover the rest of the tubes also ? , , i'm new to this , thanks for the great tutorial........Mike

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      tubes are generally biased in pairs (power tubes). When you do one you can usually not mess with the other because it will be super close. The best method, if only using a single socket bias probe like mine, is to bias the first tube and then remove the bias probe, place it on tube 3 and check that side as well. This is a commonly done practice. I have found that this amp is good to go by biasing the first. The rest will be very close to the firswt tubes reading. Also, it depends on how closely matched your power tubes are. I buy mine from "the tube store" online and they match their new tubes extremely close. They even mark the numbers on the sides as to what each tube read on their machine so you can be guaranteed a close match. Hope this helps.

  • @thejoyz1952
    @thejoyz1952 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, great video! You said 30watts for the power tube, is it always 30watts by power tube? Else, how to check my power tubes rating? Thank you!

    • @silasfatchett5693
      @silasfatchett5693 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Each type of power tube has a power rating which can be found on its data sheet, available on the net.

  • @DennisBastian
    @DennisBastian 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, but too bad you didn't let us hear how it sounds after this adjustment. I've played one of these for a while at band practice and it would have been interesting to hear the difference since I belong to the group that thinks this thing sounds way too harsh and fizzy.

  • @alexandergantikow1400
    @alexandergantikow1400 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    First: Great Video that helps me further.
    But one question arised while watching different videos for biasing: Is there only one potentiometer to adjust the bias for all tubes, or is there one potentiometer per tube?
    Thanks in advance :)

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey there alexander, thanks for the compliment. Im glad it helped you out a bit! There is one pot for all the tubes in this amp.

    • @alexandergantikow1400
      @alexandergantikow1400 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Roy Cox Thanks for the fast reply. I have the Jcm900 too - so good to know that i have to look for only one poti :) I'm just searching for a good vid that explains biasing with just a multimeter. But probably a technican is more secure :D

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Alexander Gantikow
      You'd be surprised at how simple it is once you do it once safely! It will save you a bunch of money also. Just be extremely careful when removing the chassis from the housing that you don't grab underneath of the electric, especially where you see the blue capacitors. you'll be just fine if you watch this video step by step!

    • @alexandergantikow1400
      @alexandergantikow1400 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Roy Cox I share your opinion about doing it by myself - not only because of the money but rather because im interested in how such an amp works :)
      Thanks for the safety-tip. I will grab the amp at the transformer as you said in your vid :) I found a vid by premier guitar that describes how to unload a capacitor. (Its vid-name is "DIY: Amp Safety 101") This should make the safety higher, don't you think so?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Alexander Gantikow
      sure it never hurts to take extra precautionary steps!!!

  • @Albee213
    @Albee213 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am trying to bias a JCM900 MKIII 2500 (50watt) el34 and having some trouble. First off when I set my multi-meter to 200ma it gives me a super low reading (11.7ma). When I set it to 200mv them it gives me a low reading. I turn the pot all the way up and max I can get is 27.2mv. What am I doing wrong?

    • @RDEL54
      @RDEL54 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bias resistor is the wrong value

  • @rareform6747
    @rareform6747 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have same amp . What if I just changed out the power tubes new matching without bias ? Thanks

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      if the new tubes are rated exactly or super close to the old one then you can probably get away without biasing but the chances of them being the same are usually not that good so I always like to at least check the bias. It just helps to make sure the amp sounds its best!

  • @mohdtaufiqismail
    @mohdtaufiqismail 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi,im noob with biasing..do we need to bias all 4 power tubes by repeating the same process?or just 1 ?

    • @Gutch220
      @Gutch220 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you just have to do it once. the trim pot is for all of the power tubes

  • @moparsnguitars
    @moparsnguitars 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Roy. Joe here. Wanting to know if I have jcm900 head I bought and it don't have the 4 power tubes in it. It has the 3 original marshall preamp tubes in it. It says it has 5881 power tubes.my question is I don't know it's history with previous tubes if I buy the new 5881 tung sol would it need to be biased

  • @SnowLlama
    @SnowLlama 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you don't have any biasing equipment, can you just crank the bias pot up while the amp is unplugged and discharged and hope for a better sound?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm sure it's possible but that adjustment screw is so sensitive that it could easily cook those tubes if turned too far which could easily burn the tubes up. New tubes cost way more than a bias probe so I recommend not risking it but rather getting the probe and multimeter. You'll get your money's worth many times over in the future when you have to replace the tubes. It's so worth having the probe and learning how to do it!

    • @SnowLlama
      @SnowLlama 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Roy Cox Hey man, I cracked my amp open and learned that the amp is currently biased at 42, and when I did the calculations that you explained in the video, I learned that It should be set at 38. Any thoughts? is that too hot? Sometimes the amp starts crackling, and I don't know if thats a product of over-biasing and I wanted to get your opinion first.

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Kelly Bouchillon that's a little hot but nothing too severe. I doubt the crackling is coming from the hotter bias but most likely your preamp tube socket of sockets being dirty of a bad tube. You may want to spray deoxit 5 on the pins of a 12ax7 and push it in and out of the preamp tube sockets to clean it, then put the tubes back in. If that doesn't fix it then try a new 12ax7 in each slot and see if it goes away. The hotter bias won't hurt anything but can wear the tubes prematurely.

    • @silasfatchett5693
      @silasfatchett5693 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      At one time, amps were biased by watching the output tubes in a darkened room, turning up the bias slowly until the tubes' plates began to glow orange, and then backing off the bias until they stopped glowing. Not recommended!

  • @johnsimms3957
    @johnsimms3957 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't be afraid to bias the tubes to 60% dissipation if they sound better.

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolutely! I just personally like this amp and tubes at 70

  • @timothyjay2012
    @timothyjay2012 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you wanna make that JCM 900 talk to you!!?? Change out those original Big Blue Caps!! It will have better smoother gain and tighter sweeter bass response!!! I used the ARS after market Caps in my SL-X and DAMN!!!!

  • @klepetar
    @klepetar ปีที่แล้ว

    well..i don't have those tube thingnies for biasing..and i will not buy one..i remember biasing my amps just with my trusty multimeter.. that was it
    is there a video on youtube that shows where to connect the mA ? someone biasing the old way? please???

  • @tshouse2782
    @tshouse2782 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It states on the amp to only use 5881, how can you get away using 6L6s?

    • @PeterDad60
      @PeterDad60 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are the same tubes, different names. They are in every way equivalent.

  • @ben156
    @ben156 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What screwdriver set are you using?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      i can't remember the brand but its the set they sell in home depot. high voltage models.

  • @kameel68
    @kameel68 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you only bias one of the power tubes?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  ปีที่แล้ว

      no, you are biasing each set of power tubes. the left two and right two

    • @kameel68
      @kameel68 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roycox4415 I've got a Marshall JCM900 SL-X with 2 power tubes(50W version). I just see 1 pot to adjust. So you can adjust 2 tubes with 1 pot?

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kameel68 you only have one pot to set the bias for all of the power tubes as a whole actually. This is why you want to find power tubes that are as closely matched as possible. This way all of the tubes are super close when biasing with only the one pot

    • @kameel68
      @kameel68 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roycox4415 Today I had opened my amp to fix some creaking potentiometers. While doing that I also took a look inside and noticed that there was only 1 adjustable pot on the PCB.

  • @shredding51
    @shredding51 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find 5881’s are better in this amp then 6l6gc’s. The 6l6’s take away some gain and mids.

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. I prefer the JJ 5881 tubes in mine. Best in all the tubes I’ve tried in the jam 900 4100

  • @Charmander71025
    @Charmander71025 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it just me or does he show him putting the test probe on pin4 even though he "says" pin 3…..

  • @rareform6747
    @rareform6747 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi , attach a load or speakers .

    • @roycox4415
      @roycox4415  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rare Form the video shows the load box I'm using for that. There is one hooked up

  • @benseitz739
    @benseitz739 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pin 3 is giving me 111mA every time. Not even close to the 460mA I’m looking for.

  • @Sorbzski99
    @Sorbzski99 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are really Steve Stevens, aren't you!

    • @Woundstring
      @Woundstring 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha! I was thinking he sounds bit like him too 😂

  • @maselbac
    @maselbac 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rubber gloves would save my life???

  • @rexmasters1541
    @rexmasters1541 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    JJ and EH are the same tubes from the same manufacturer so are Ruby, TAD and every other cheap chinese made tube. The low end JJ tubes are MADE IN CHINA at the Shungyen plant. JJ tubes that are made in Solvakia are made with Chinese supplied parts and are made on Chinese equipment in Solvakia and when you buy cheap chinese shit you will have cheap tubes that never meet any specs.