DEBATE: Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith vs. Dennis Prager and Batya Ungar-Sargon: Iran, Israel & Palestine
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- Watch Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith debate Dennis Prager and Batya Ungar-Sargon on Israel, Iran, and Palestine! Thank you to ZeroHedge for hosting this debate. Your Support is Crucial to the Show: tyt.com/team
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How I think I sound like in an argument: Dave
How I really sound like in an argument: Cenk
Funny thing is cenk is absolutely right , the pro zionist debaters lack common sense and haven’t backed up anything they said
Nobody thinks it’s wrong to take out a 15 story building claiming you’re looking for 1 tenant?
Don't "hide" among innocents if you care about them? If their own leaders don't care, why should we? High road isn't always the best choice in the long run. I'd rather it end now, even bloody, than eternal conflict.
@@pulvrizr99we arent claiming Hamas cares about the civilians. Isreal is claiming they care about the civilians.
You are evil.
@@pulvrizr99 Look at what you said from the perspective of those innocents. "Don't live next to a terrorist thats hiding amongst you" You realize they are trapped there in poverty, right? Also the "human shield" argument that you are using is laughable, bc why would hamas keep trying that strategy when Israel has proven they don't care and will kill innocents too? There is no human shield, all Palestinians are potential targets and they know it. Just admit you see no value in Palestinian life.
@@kitseu because its working on people like you to try and sew resentment against Israel. come on, stop pretending otherwise.
@@RichACBlues Israel has already created resentment amongst the minds of many young people. With the proliferation of social media and internet access, we get to see atrocities committed everyday. The IDF is probably the top 10 most evil armies to exist, and Israel is, objectively, definitely in the top 10 most evil states to exist, if there ever was such a list.
Neocons forgot the question but the answer is war. -Cenk
I am America first but I’m not America only. -Dennis
We need America Only now and for at least 5 years, but we all know it’ll never happen in our lifetimes
@@Dutch_Rudder you will never pay this debt- neither will your children or grandchildren children. USA = debt slave to Ukraine & Yisrahell. And, big international businesses will profit from the resources and your tax$ will pay for destruction and reconstruction.
I've been an American citizen my entire life, and I've never been asked if i support Israel. I dont!! I would rather the money go towards funding my own countries needs and infrastructure than go to a country that's using that money to buy my politicians loyalties. America's political system can not, and does not solve its own issues. We're drowning in dysfunction , but our lawmakers are concerned with other countries' issues ....
unfortunately Zionists have gradually infiltrated all levels of government and are seated where the $$$ is.
Prager was triggered! This is the same person that called January 6th a smokescreen.
He's also the same person who spent an entire show telling his audience that it's perfectly fine for adult siblings to have sex with each other
the proof is now public. He we wright
@@seanharvey8051 no, it was proven to be organized by Trump and his agents. Like the Stop the Steal Hapsburg chin dude getting a permit for like 50 protesters at the capitol, and then people like Alex Jones, purposefully told waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people to go there. Stuff like that. That's just one example.
January 6th had more FBI informants than protesters.
@@Outdoorsguy1212 oh, bless your heart, you just fall hook, line, and sinker for every bit of BS you get fed, huh?
Dennis Prager holds a Guinness World Record as the worlds most flexible moral contortionist.
I guess that's why he supports the world's most moral army 🙄
The old man is morally wrong. killing and death are the same for anyone. Death by or kill with guns, knives, fire, bombs, stones, or sticks killing and death is the same they stop existing! So to suggest Oct 7 is worse than what is happening to Palestinians is plain stupid! Both acts are wrong!
@@B_Bodziak Want to hear a joke? Dennis Pragers moral compass.
Want to hear a sick joke? The IDF is the world's most moral army.
Nice sarcasm 😂@@B_Bodziak
Well he doesn't support the most immoral HAMAS like some do, They committed violent acts on October 7th but people like Cenk want to hand them their own state From what it sounds like,, Cenk " free Palestine, we need a two state solution now" person ask Cenk How " I don't know but it's not right" platitudes ideas but no plan , It's easy to blame Israel but when it comes to finding a solution Cenk has none, So why? I mean he is or was running for president, Should he not have an actual plan
Man this cenk guy destroys everybody🫡
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Prager asks him to name one more atrocity . . . Proceeds to interrupt Dave incessantly to prevent him from naming anymore 😅
Because there is none
@@alexzman85 so Prager stopped him from talking because he didn't want him to name 'none' 😅 ? This is the Google age . . . .
And he still couldn't name one 😂😂😂
@@sethblank3139 The ICC and ICJ have named many 😂 . . .
@@alexzman85Do you want a comprehensive list?
Debating with folks like Prager is a total waste of time and energy.
He ìs a fanatical Zionist and is criminally insane!
@dougbarker2227 LMAO the only person Prager has ever made foolish in a debate is himself.
@dougbarker2227 prager is the only one who tells the truth
Troll
@@ebkspirit4474 agree
Never thought I would see Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur on the same team.
Yeah...this threw me for a loop. Also how did they get Dennis to agree to be here?
Both of them have always been on team America bad.
@@DrStrangelove_ I mean to be fair when was the last time the American government did something objectively good for humanity, and not for their own self interest?
@@Screaming-Bees It is in their own best interest to get re-elected. And the only way they can do that is by following the will of the people as much as possible. I can't think of a single example off The top of my head a politician who did the opposite of what the people wanted and lasted. Politicians I have voted for who did the opposite of I want in recent memory only did so because what I wanted Was what the minority wanted. Not a perfect system, but still better than the other 195 countries by a long shot.
@@Screaming-Bees In short, There is no amount of money politicians can get from any lobbyist. Or any other source that will allow them to Keep getting reelected, doing what is in our worst interest. They might have done what was in our worst interest looking back with 20/20 perfect hindsight, goggles. But at the time we were probably on board with it.
P.s . I've been on both sides of this argument and I am still open minded. But the older I get the harder it is to believe that there is a cabal of a small collection of people Who want to make society worse for everyone and they happen to be running it. The vast majority of people are good. The vast majority of people have the best intentions. Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of people happen to be dumb as dirt.
What about failed peace offers by Israel? How about accepting peace as an act of resistance?
Tell you what, I’ll let you keep 5% of your house. I’ll own all the doorways and hallways of course, so you cannot leave the house or move between your bed and bathroom unless I feel like letting you. Obviously going to the store is never to be allowed, but I’ll bring you a sandwich and a bottle of water every few days if I remember and am feeling generous. Deal?
@ghostpiratelechuck2259 The peace deals Israel offered would solve 90% of your stupid fake scenario that makes zero sense if you actually map it onto the history. If som random hobo you allowed to stay in a house you legally received tried to stab you and your family in your sleep and you continued to let them sleep in the garage people would rightfully find you psychotic
All I know is this isn’t the USA’s problem. We’ve got enough to deal with at home.
Exactly has nothing to do with us and we shouldn't fund it.
Agreed. Biden needs to stop helping Benny Yahoo.
Such a strong start! Prager, "Where's my camera?" Proceeds to completely ignore moderator and look at the wrong camera. Very on brand.
He looked at the camera he was told to look at.
Ya no that was def a production error. He looked at the right camera.
Rewatch it. He and the moderator pointed at 2 different cameras and he stuck with his.
He gives me Dick Chaney vibes lately
Cenk you dropped my jaw on the Armenians. Wow man. I’m Armenian and didn’t expect to hear that from you. I appreciate the honesty I really do
@dougbarker2227 yes he does. I don’t anyone bombarded him and especially Ana on that issue. There was a time when I was writing to them daily on comments and every other way you can think of on that. At least he now acknowledges the truth. That’s an achievement
I love Armenians. In Middle School, I became best friends with 1 Armenian, and it soon turned into many, and even being called 'honorary Armenian' by the time I got to High School. I don't agree with most things that Cenk says, but I think he's right on Palestine, and also the Armenian Genocide.
@@aspectra that’s so nice to hear. I’m assuming you grew up in Los Angeles?
I don’t watch Cenk because of the name of the show, young Turks, plus he is too liberal for me but on the Palestinian issue he is spot on. It’s just that in this show, he shocked me with his comments about the Armenians and Greeks. Didn’t expect that. I guess Ana was able to prove to him with facts that there was genocide because Turks were occupying our lands and we were fighting back just like Palestinians are now. It’s so good to hear about your experience in life with Armenians. All the love!!
@@mr.zeitmaschine6878 Bro, how are you making excuses for him?That would be like if a jew was on a show called the daily gustapp 😅
@@dudebro91-fn7rz I’m sorry but what excuse? Where did I make an excuse for him? Which part of what I said was an excuse?
Iran is none of our business!
I wonder if Cenk will change his tune since the UN revised its casualty numbers!
It's still over 30,000 genius, and over 10,000 confirmed dead children. You people disgust me
Amazingly Dennis Prager seems to actually believe his BS.
He's correct
Of course he believes it
And he's right.
It’s real hard to tell. I thought no before, but seeing him here it’s pretty clear the mental faculties have declined significantly.
He’s just repeating the same one liners he always uses and doesn’t really seem to be following the conversation.
@@Politicallyhomeless18 Right about what exactly?
@@Nicenests The core piece of the conflict.
Mainly, that Palestinians don't believe Israel has the right to exist within any border, whether that be 67, 48, or whatever
Dennis Prager is so gross I can’t bare to hear him speak
He is most bias: Cenk and the other guy are right
Any argument or just feelings?
God Bless Dennis. He is a good man.
@@sethgyan
Prager is a dirty, lying Isreal first Mossad agent and propagandist.
He doesn't look like a indigenous person of the middle east. He must be speaking on behalf of colonizers and invaders. I wonder if Buddhist converts in the west can set up a state somewhere in india/Nepal/asia. Maybe they can get it done can bribing the UN with money from rich bankers like the Rothschilds.
@@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt you are bias tell me befor the debat you where pro israeli
How could you be so insensitive and talk about Hamas stealing food as opposed to Israel annihilating the whole innocent kids, women and elderly in Gaza????!!!!
Saagar did a great job moderating this debate. If only presidential debates were ran so well...
The funniest moment was when Cenk Uygur said Dennis Prager sounded like his Turkish relatives.
This is so weird, Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur being on the same debate team, even though those 2 could not be more different. I'm only watching this for Dave. 💀
Cenk was amazing though. He's wrong on so much but he killed it in this debate
True@@mikelewis495
Kenk is a great man
@@mikelewis495I thought they were all terrible. I've spent hours and hours researching this and this is the worst debate I've seen yet. None of them did justice to their casues and I actually thought Cenk was the worst. I'm not sure if that's because of my prior knowledge of watching manipulate and mislead on so many things or not though. Regardless, I thought they were all very bad at adding anything new or constructive. I'm sure they did a good job being cheerleaders for the people who watched that have already made up their mind and decided that they have the right of it, but for people coming in unbiased who are just trying to understand and make an informed decision -- this was awful.
Very awesome panel, panel members, moderator, and super informative. Thanks for your presentation!
"Moral Killing" one of the most dangerous phrases I've heard to date.
Read about Israelites children sacrifice rituals in antiquity. Wow - could it be this they are hiding in plain sight?
You know the world has gone to hell when Dave Smith and Cenk are debate partners.
Am curious, why these two are unlikely debate partners.
@@harrypitt They're not. I don't know why I keep seeing this comment. They are both on team America Bad, and always have been.
@@harrypitt there not. There both team Ameriabad
Dave literally lost the whole debate in the first 10 minutes like cenk usually does, when they admit their arguments can be used to defend Hitler but claim it's different because Hitler was less powerful. As if war was supposed to be a fair fight sporting event and it doesn't matter how evil a a government is or how many times they attack others. they should get a pass if they are smaller. That's literally what the whole Palestine vs Israel debate always boils down to and the majority of the world is never going to accept that.
@@cooloutac autobot sides with underdog
What do you mean let the voters decide? It’s already clear no matter what our politicians will staunchly stand beside Israel regardless of their actions
All they have to do is speak sternly about how they don't approve and then go back to business as usual. Then they get to honor their geopolitical alliances (make money) AND take the moral high ground.
My friend that's because no one votes in America. No one even contacts their politicians. it's just a bunch of children and crazy people on social media complaining which doesn't represent anything and isn't going to change anything.
The Palestinians voted Hamas into power.
No one votes in America bud that's the problem. They don't even contact their politicians. In fact the only people that even complain of social media or a bunch of kids and crazy people so it doesn't get taken seriously.
@gregoryreynolds3612 Noone votes in American no one contacts their politicians and the only people complaining on social media are a bunch of kids and crazy people no one takes seriously so of course the politicians can do whatever they want.
Seeing Dave & Cenk sitting next to each other on the same side of the table proves that there can be peace!
You can’t debate people who are willing to lie intentionally. Defeats the purpose.
If Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith can be on the same side of a debate in this historic event, then fixing all of the problems in the Middle East are way easier than I thought up until this moment.
Dennis: “I don’t differentiate between you two.”
😂😂😂
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 yeah that's insane, the people who can't see the difference between cenk and smith (The most diametrically opposed ideologically people in this debate) shouldn't have the right to vote because they're clearly captured by either Israeli or Raytheon talking points.
@@crustys6900 The lady on the other side sure sounded a lot like a Democrat to me.
Her only point is that Israel should be treated held to the same standards that USA or European countries are, and it is not.
This is how a debate should be run. While there were a few moments of intense rebukes, it was mostly civil while remaining very passionate arguments for both sides.
His hair had gone white with years of living, BUT no wisdom poor THING.
Prager is such a sleaze.
This was no debate. Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur moped the floor with Prager and her.
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I think it was pretty fair on both sides….
the fact that AIPAC isn't labeled a foreign lobbyist organization is mind boggling.
I've watched Batya on other platforms and she is a cold debater. In this debate she giggles and looks for consensus with Cenk. He even said, "I love ya, Batya, but Yada, Yada, yada." They both moderate each other. Both are ruthless debaters with others.
Prager is absolutely insufferable.
If a two state solution is what israel want. Why don't they force that on the Palestinians like they forced the occupation on them. Give them what was agreed in 1967, draw up the "treaty" or by whatever name, and enforce that. Problem solved. The Israeli said they agreed, but Palestine didn't... then force it on them.
Name them, Dennis? Really? ZeroHedge viewers aren't as stupid as your listeners.
Let's name them: the King David Bombing and the USS Liberty, just for some starters that will hit close to home for this audience. Then let's move on to: Baldat al-Shaikh Massacre, the Yehida Massacre, the Khisas Massacre, the Qazaza Massacre, The Semiramis Hotel Massacre, Al-Sheikh Village Massacre, the Deir Yassin Massacre, the Naser Al-Din Massacre, the Tantura Massacre, Beit Daras Massacre, the Dahmash Mosque Massacre, Dawayma Massacre, among others in '47-48; the Sharafat Massacre of '51; the Kibya Massacre of '53; the Khan Yunis Massacre, the Gaza City Massacre, and the Kafr Qasem Massacre of '56; the Al-Sammou' Massacre of '66; the Kawnin Massacre and the Aitharoun Massacre of '75; the Hanin Massacre and the Bint Jbeil Massacre of '76; the Abbasieh Massacre and the Adloun Massacre of '78; the Saida Massacre and the Fakhani Massacre of '81; the Sabra & Shatila Massacre of '82 (in Lebanon, but still slaughtering refugees); the Jibsheet and Sohmor Massacres of '84; in 1985, the Maaraka, Zrariah, Jibaa, Yohrnor, and Horneen Al-Tahta Massacres occurred; the Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre in '86; the Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre in '87; the Oyon Qara Massacre, the Siddiqine Massacre, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre of '90; the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre, and the Eretz Checkpoint Massacre, all in 1994, along with the Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre and the Nabatyaih School BUS Massacre; the Qana Massacre in 1996; Janta in '98; in '99, the 29th of June Massacre and the Western Bekaa Villages Massacre; another al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre in 2000; Lebanon in 2006, where 900 of the 1100 killed were civilians; the Operation "Cast Lead" Gaza Massacre in 2009, which killed 1300 women, children, and elderly; the Gaza Siege in 2012; and the 2014 Operation "Protective Edge" Gaza Massacre, in which 2,150 people were killed, 578 of them children and 70-75% of them civilians.
This was not even a comprehensive exercise...
September 11
And how many peace agreements and land treatiess have the Israeli Governments violated? Oslo, Camp David, to name a few
Beautiful reply, and thank you! I am copying your response because its the truth that matters and needs to be shared!
Prager is so arrogant.
You are right; but, that’s the least he is. He’s more than that. I don’t I can say what I would like to say and give him the satisfaction.
!They really do believe they are the Chosen ones and are superior to everyone else
Nah. They are just superior: 0.2% of the world's population is Jews, and 25% of the world's Nobel Prizes for science are won by Jews
Who chose them? Other Jews?@@FreeSpeechThought
@@donnazukadley7300 nope. 0.2% of the world's population winning 25% of the Nobel Prizes for science is self explanatory.
Unless of course you want to claim j0000$€ own the Nobel Prize
Cenk needs to publicly come out with a correction about the reference to the casualty numbers after the UN came out yesterday to say the number is less than half of what was previously stated.
Are we going to cherry pick only the things we like about the UN or are we going to take it all or nothing?
I'm so fckin glad David pressed Prager about his disgusting comparison between hamas and the nazi's 🤦🏽♂️
How is that disgusting. Hamas and Nazis are basically the same.
@@gibransalazar7769If the jews killed 30 million Germans and the Germans killed 6 million jews in world world War 2 do you seriously believe it would be viewed the same way?
@@gibransalazar7769No listen what David said in rebuttal.
@@katuiran he was incorrect
@@katuiran his rebuttal was ridiculous. Obviously Pragar isn’t saying the size and scope of Hamas and the Nazi’s are the same, or the territorial control or mass killings equivalent. He’s arguing that the brazenness with which Hamas acts is greater than the Nazi’s since the Nazi’s tried to hide what they were doing. His rebuttal was a classic example of straw manning to win points in an argument rather than grappling with the actual argument. And Pragar called him out on that.
No one has a problem with a Jewish state. But you can't just steal land and just keep saying we are the only jew state. Your stand should be based on legality. Indians were living in India for all their lives so they didn't just come from somewhere and made it a hindu state. That's no way related to Israel.
Nothing was stolen. They literally came there during the time when the land was legally owned by the league of nations and later Britain after the falls of ottoman. You talk about legality yet you clearly missed on that.
People are confused. They don’t understand that Israel was built on the expulsion of an entire civilization already living there. They just hear bed time stories about Jewish tribes living there 3,000 years ago and think that’s somehow the same thing as Zionism.
@@sipp91
Yes completely ignore the native already living there before the settlers violently forced them out.
So where should the Jewish state be if not their ancestral homeland where the majority of Jews reside?
@@dalekrenegade2596 that's after 1947 UN partition when there was civil war going on to establish the state. Violence and displacement after partition is not unusual. Doesn't change the fact that migrants came there legally before partition.
You're all mistaken on iran,, even if current iraninan gov. Worked with us and allows US to do what it wants in Middle east it still would be US ally. The reason US is at odds with Iran because Iran wants to be an independent country and US an Israel can't stand any country in the middle east who does not submit to America
😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Poor Batya looks pretty beaten down by the end of this. Nobody sucks the air out of the room like Prager
The moderator talked tough but failed to follow through by not stopping people from talking over each other.
I liked that there was some push and shove; no one got out of hand and you have to admit the topic is pretty intense.
It's hard to watch this kind of stuff when you have unserious participants like Prager.
The amount of hamas' ive heard in only 20 minutes is annoying. They act like israel is on the verge of extinction when they are doing all the damage & oppressing Palestinians for more than 75 years
21:07 Why are Palestinians separated into two different locations in the first place? 🧐😒
Because there is not and never has been a nation of palestine.
@@stevebrock4275lmao okay go cope revisionist
@@NoneedtoID WTF does that mean? Do you actually have anything of value to say, or do you always just throw out empty little comments like that. Try reading up on history. Or try reading any book. You and people like you are the ones trying to rewrite it. Cope with this.
He explained it in the middle there.
It was intentional. It was done to ensure there would be two different governments that would not communicate nor be together, kind of like east and west Pakistan. Now Pakistan and now Bangladesh, respectively. It's historically proven, a nation divided is literally quoted by Abe Lincoln as "A house divided against itself, cannot stand"
Prager around 43:00 mark exemplifies why peace cant be had. He wont admit when his side is in the wrong and only wants to point fingers.
His immaturity and pride is embarrassing to watch
Is no one going to respond to Cenks great take on lobbying? Money is corrupting what’s left of our democracy.
Exactly!!!
Dave Smith I have become a fan.
1:33:23 is part of the old Hamas charter that is no longer used. However, "Judea and Samaria (the West Bank and Gaza) will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan, there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Is the Likud Platform. How is a platform different from a charter?
Why did anyone listen to or respect Dennis Prager
because they think he is clown.. and people like clowns..
That first guy seemed...bias 😅
Saying what's happening in Gaza isn't genocide is wild
By your standard, every country that participated in any modern war is guilty of genocide
Oct 7 was a prison break nothing more
Where does r@pe and mut1lation fit in with a prison break?
@@googleuser9592but those graping and mut¡la@t¡on are found not true though. Are you Anat Schwarts? Why do you keeo repeating the hasbara Z¡onist?
Bring Richard Medhurst in the debate.
Never thought I'd see the day when Dave Smith and Cenk were on the same team for any issue. And they crushed Prager.
Really, because even the most liberal of Democrats agree that Smith is full of it.
MSNBC pointing out that Smith is a Hamas propagandist:
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You've got to respect the fact that all these people with completely different vantage points agreed to this debate. No one is perfect in debate but the exchange of ideas is so essential to understanding these problems
dave smith has to debate ben shapiro. he’s the only one rational enough to do it and win.
So Chenk is saying the Palestinians are Hamas?
And what about from the river to the sea?
I noticed neither Dave nor Chenk answered about Hamas desire to eradicate every Jew from earth.
Pragur is unbearable
Dude a cult leader…
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It’s painful when the truth doesn’t match up to your world view.
@@mridlon1634 he is the only one who tells the truth
No, your attitude is unbearable. Just the fact that you have a lot of supporters is concerning. Antisemitism is rise, but the Jewish people of today are prepared to handle all of their enemies. The List of Dead Enemies is long. Get on line.
Amazing Cenk holds himself as a good debater. 😂😂😂
I'm not surprised. Just be against Colonizers and it's understandable
Talking to Prager is like talking to a wall. He’s convinced his opinions are facts and refuses to lose an inch of his Islamophobia
Human ego and pure arrogance
Pragar’s entire argument was based on fact where Cenk’s was just yelling genocide genocide when the whole panel had already agreed the term isn’t really accurate lol
Actually less than half of the panel said it’s not a genocide, Ungar conceded that it’s more of an ethnic cleansing, and Dave Smith said he doesn’t care about the term because of its definition, but has called it a genocide in the past. Prager is the only one who said it’s categorically not a genocide. Also Prager sucks ass
@@joshuadevamithran3774 thats a pivot lmaoo
He is like that about every single opinion he has. I cannot stand him, and I cannot believe there are states using him to shape their department of education
Dennis Preager talking about morals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cenk really needs a reality check. The response was never justified as Israel is a Colonialist entity of Europeans mainly that uprooted the natives and stole their land. The hegemony of the West was used to give legality to its creation. Furthermore the illegal occupation has continued since 1967. Anyway, lets leave the Nakba and Occupation aside and consider two other scenarios as of October 7th.
1) Since Israel occupies Palestinian land, has Gaza under siege and Palestinians are dependent on Israel for almost everything, technically Palestinians are considered Israeli citizens. Will it be considered justified for a democratic and sovereign country to indiscriminately drop bombs on its own citizen?
2) Lets say what Hamas invaded was Israeli territory on October 7th. It would would only be correct to retaliate until the Gaza border, beyond that becomes aggression. With regards to the hostages, have you ever seen any hostage incident in the US or Europe where they start firing/bombarding before even attempting to negotiate?
Cenk DEFENDS capitalism with every fiber of his being... but HE'S RIGHT ON EVERY SINGLE TOPIC HE SPOKE ABOUT!
I just fell off my chair hearing Denis Prager claiming he believes in free speech.
Yeah free for you to hear his speech and only his speech
The real question is, how come in this debate and especially ANY discussion or debate that ever gets broadcast on the MSM are the two concepts 1948 Nakba and the Balfor declaration are NEVER brought up ever? Could it be that these are two indefensible concepts and topics🤔.
"can you believe they attacking us after 75 years of occupation" 😂😂😂 #Gold...
I am having trouble concentrating because of the chick saying "ham ass" and the all white guy saying "chah mahss". Also, Turkey guy is right, but very uncomfortably scary when he shouts. Dave Smith is a real class act.
Yeah that’s Cenk lol
Nice!
When two non semites that staunchly defend a side by horribly pronouncing words from a language they don’t speak, all because they believe it makes them seem credible… is hilarious!! 😂
Cenk is like a smart Labrador Retriever. OK, maybe more like a Chesapeake Retriever. He does bark rather viciously but is in the end rational.
"Turkey guy"
@@AnthonySopran0😂😂
you can never defend the blockade of food and water to 2 million people.
No
Nobody is starving in Gaza
@jordyb57 that's NOT what the statement said.
You're moving the goalposts.
@@jordyb57 yeah , exactly nobody is starving in Gaza
Only three died in a car wreck not by the Israeli IDF no no no no that’s a lie
Everybody in Gazza is having a great time
Party all night
nobody is hungry
they’re having filet mignon and oysters every evening
I saw at least five Palestinian families having wine and dining
The kids were playing in the courtyard. Their two teenagers sons took their girlfriends to the prom.
I can’t believe this Palestinian propaganda
I don’t know what that Hamas propaganda is talking about
Did we supply aid to the Germans during WW2?
Do any one of you guys know that, according to International Law, it’s the obligation of the occupier to protect their occupants grabbed during a war, which by definition between two countries NOT occupiers vs occupied. This whole debate is sickening
Read Israelites children sacrifices to Moloch in antiquity. 🥺
This woman straoght up called innocent civilians "the enemy" and pretty much says that mourning for the civilians is showing support for hamas. What a horrible person.
Nope
@dougbarker2227 that's like saying Zionists are God fearing humans with a soul
A soul sold to their lord Satan.
@dougbarker2227 coping with the fact Israel’s international image has been completely shattered?
She is vile. 3x1 civilian deaths when you are the one running the prison camp is beyond understanding.
@dougbarker2227probably helps him laugh at u🎉
Prager trying to bring everything back to ww2 is a losing argument.
It's as if you're not allowed to question the actions of the largest bloodiest most devastating war in world history. Weird, especially since it's not rare for normal people to strongly question the legitimacy of nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I mean plenty of folks will just say straight up that it was genocide.
It’s so horrific to see some humans & especially women have no empathy for children’s lives.
Didn't realise the women and children were armed too? Oh and the disabled and long term sick that we're executed in n the hospitals.
yeah and the babies in the wombs....the ITF(isnotreal terrorist force) thinks umbilical cords are dangerous weapons!
That dennis guy is crazy and makes absolutely no sense that woman lying as well
Its hilarious how on the one hand she admits the horrible destruction wrought by Israeli forces and almost in the same sentence minimises it.
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Because to most people war is not a fair fight like a sporting event. When the same arguments can be used to defend Hitler and the only reply to that is but Hitler was more powerful, the debate is over.
She has no conscious like the rest of the thugs in her stolen land
She does not minimize the destruction, she minimizes any implication of evil intent from the Israelis. If you start a war against a more powerful opponent while stationing your troops in a civilian populated area, you are primarily culpable when 10 civilians die for every combatant killed.
Total death on each side of a war is a factor of battle tactics, military strength, and success, not the level of evil intent on each side. The Japanese were the clear aggressor in WW2, yet their casualties were 20 times higher than the Americans. I can both admit to the devestation the US caused in the Pacific while also not considering these actions as evil.
@@kyleolson9636 Because that can't be proven. If there is any evil intent they are hiding it. Unlike Hamas and Iran who publicly call for the extermination of Jews. Whether they are throwing rocks or missiles is irrelevant. Chenk and David admitted Hamas is morally equivalent to the Nazis. Period.
Who cares if you’d put your hand on the Bible that book does not mean nothing it’s a fictional mythical bundle of fables.
They both acknowledge it
Dennis Prager is a 🤡 it’s like he doesn’t even hear anything
Last year on his radio show Prager said it would be good if every American had an Israeli flag in their window … um … do we live in Israel?
We want to be spared God's terrible wrath by showing absolute unconditional support for the people who rejected his message.
Smith is f'n sharp as a knife. Cenk knows his material 💪and dude was right there with him😮💪.
They’re a superteam for sure
Cenk is yelling half the time. Reduced the arguement.
@gibransalazar7769 did u even watch? Prager and the other lobbyist clown couldn't stop interrupting
He’s a dunce
🤣🤣 Cenk knows him material? Pro Palestinians are the dumbest group 😂.
Cenk saying that Christians are waiting for Jesus return and kill Jews is ridiculous. Shows his level of understanding his 'enemy' or the Bible. That is not the case. In fact, we believe that God still has a unique plan for his chosen people.
Chosen people lol. You mean the ones that wanted Jesus to be off'd? Those the chosen people you refer too?
Oct 7 been happening to Palestynse before 1967😢
Why does anyone ever listen to Dennis Prager? Everyone knows what he think and what he'll say on all topics. He doesn't change his mind, so why listen to him? It's craziness. Just get a recording of him and play it over and over and over. That's your Dennis Prager interview.
Exactly, no point in debating a man yelling libel because he thinks that israel hasn’t committed any atrocities against Palestinians.
I posted like 5 comments and they all have zero minutes. Am I being blocked?
That's because truth isn't wishy, washy
He is disingenuous
The comedian Dave Smith was on point.
Isn’t it crazy that the comedian is the best guy on all of this
@@raisedbobcat8266The fact that a standup comedian could come on here and blow out of the water someone like Dennis Prager (a man who’s specialized in this very topic since before Dave was even born) really just goes to show how indefensible Israel’s position is today.
b/c he has been covering politics since he saw the light about teh state and economics thanks to the great Ron Paul!!! He's a great comedian but he's even better as a political and cultural analyst and commentator.
He let the mask slip with respect to his bigotry a couple times
@@mechengineer4lifeAh yes the great Ron Paul, a presidential candidate who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 😂
Dennis and Batya are cold-blooded
"Which camera?" *immediately looks directly at the wrong one*
I stopped counting Prager's strawmen after three. Have some self-respect dude.
It’s painful when the truth doesn’t match up to your world view.
@Outdoorsguy1212 People with truth on their side have no need for strawmen.
This woman is totally out classed. I knew I hated Dennis.
If BIAS were to suddenly appear as human, it would be Dennis Prager. His level of being unable to discern is simply astonishing.
I think he can discern, but he chooses not to and has the mouth to spew so many words that some people, including himself, get lost in his non-stop babble, LOL!
Every Israeli supporter who goes on these debates always says the exact same thing. Not an original thought goes on their head
What’s a nuance thought from Hamas supporters ?? Same old resistance bs??
@@spicysharkroll6257 No lol 😂 have you ever actually paid any attention to what people calling for ceasefire are saying?
@@spicysharkroll6257 None of these men on the panel are Hamas supporters. Also their are many arguments made against the occupation not just by Muslims but by Jews who survived the holocaust. Id encourage you to do your research.
@@AbrahamAzam Dave Smith literally acknowledged that hamas is a terrorist organization that commits atrociplease.But that's not good enough for the Zionist.S they'll still call him hamas supporter for having any sympathy for palestinians.
Maybe because it’s the truth?
I have been spent no less than 40 hours researching this topic, and this is by far the worst debate for both sides I have heard yet. None of these 4 people should ever volunteer to be in a debate on this topic again. None of them did their cause any justice. 🤦♀️ This was absolutely terrible! I know more about both sides beteeen my prior knowledge and my recent research than alll of them together. I could have debated both of their cause better than any of them. Lord help us all who are trying to understand and learn about this topic from an unbiased standpoint. However, there is one person who I've watched purposefully mislead and twist information to suit his narrative many, many times already so I'm not sure why I thought he'd be any different on this topic.
Which one was that who tried to twist it?
@notadumbblond3 I was talking about Cenk, but I was referring to other topics he speaks on. Everything is about race to him. There always has to be a victim and a victimizer, so he will only relay information that backs his narrative about who is who! It's frustrating. This stems from the West's obsession with labeling people into races based on skin tone. This leads to horrible outcomes because people in search of power will use anything possible to divide a population and pit them against one another so they can seize control. But they wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for people like Cenk who dedicate their lives to helping create and inflame this division, all the while having a morally superior attitude because they think they're doing good. He will ignore any information that comes along that does not support his "cause." People like this are dangerous because they're not looking for answers or solutions. They are looking for benevolence.
See the left side gentleman figured out at the end that Dennis is a bully and he finally SAID IT.
IF they want to get out of the west bank then why are there more and more settlers there?
Exactly
He said the average Israeli…. I live in Israel and most people (Jews) I interact with have never been to the West Bank and don’t even consider it Israel
There are more and more Gazans every year... you realize they're not moving in.
What happens is when two people love each other very much, and get married, they have what is called "a baby".
There were Jewish settlements in what is known as the West Bank before the state of Israel existed. Are you proposing the ethnic cleansing of The West Bank?
@@nealorr5086 yeah 3% of the population was Jewish at the time. Have you checked what that number is now? You guys are clowns
@@jordyb57 and most Germans weren't NatZs. But if you go along with NatZs and refuse to confront them, what's the difference between signing up and singing on by inaction?
without zionists no hamas. ergo
Hamas states they want to kill all Jews, all over the world
That woman is gross.
💯💯💯 Disgusting geno cidal psycho path
Disgusting
Could someone ask the guy against American soldiers pulling out of Afghanistan, if he wanted the Americans to occupy the country permanently?
Cenk and David won that hands down 👏👏👏
Not really. They never gave a civilian ratio that they were comfortable with. When Dennis brought up that Hamas has the morality of the Nazis, they objected to that. Cenk was yelling half the time, that reduced his argument.
They lost imo.
How can you say they won?! They didn't even say what the proper ratio should be! Sarcasm of course. They were the only ones speaking with object facts. As Cenk stated, Prager doesn't live on this planet.
I think the Son of Hamas is greater spokes person vs uygur and Dave. What a great false witness about the land and the people should live? False and lies without ancient proof of evidence. Cenk is originated of Idian skin, and Dave has no relation in Jewish blood. How did they come in the eyes of the world present their judgment yet they don't know the Majesty owner of that land?
@TriggaHappii I’ve seen her guest on many programs. She’s very sincere, smart, and kind, which is rare for the Israeli side of things lately.
Butchers? 75 years of occupation is not butchery?