@@Tr4wnet I don't think he can because of TH-cams policy against selling arms on the platform. Hence no links to the action site directly, but rather a link to his internal research site.
@@Tr4wnet I think he mentioned in his last Q&A that it is a problem with YTs policies talking about gun prices. Other than that, I totally agree. I think one of my favorite things on TV growing up was Tales of the Gun's most valuable guns. They talked about how one of Hitler's PPKs was worth well over a million dollars. They also said that John Wilkes Booth's gun he used on President Lincoln would likely be one of the most valuable guns if it were ever to go to auction. Another interesting one was the FN FN model 1910. When the show was made nobody knew where it was, but it was discovered later on and is in a museum in Vienna, I think.
At that time, with a monopoly for producing the military model and very strict Ordonance controllers, the pecking order would be: 1st the revolvers to be acquired privately by officers, 2nd the duty ones for non-coms and soldiers, 3rd the police, customs, prison service ones, 4th the civilian market ones.
@@THEJaManes These days that usually means produced by the lowest bidder to the lowest possible functional fit/finish and then very roughly treated by a bunch of teens and early 20s soldiers who don't own it. They also usually have as few features and comforts as possible.
The lowest bidder that still meets the requirements, both safety and performance. So usually pretty good, but not the best. The problem is that you then hand this gear to soldiers. Anyone who describes their product as indestructible has never seen it issued to the infantry.
I imagine, 2000 years ago, a brisk market for the military gladius. I don't think the Romans had catalogs (tho they did have a kind of postal service), but I imagine weaponsmiths, "This is the genuine Army model!
“The new model balista throws a 10% heavier projectile 20% further and we now provide barbed projectiles. The Judean People’s front will run a mile the minute they see it. Don’t you mean the people’s front of Judea? What? What?
@@l.s.676 I can pronounce it, yes. If I'm typing it, I'd rather just spell it the way the entire world decided it was spelled, centuries before either of us were born... Or I guess we're using alternate spellings of words that sound similar from other languages? Makes total sense. Good contribution.
Canada is doing the same thing, the SiG 320 was just adopted as a replacement for our old High Powers. Another great video with great historical information.
Except in Canada...no civilian can purchase a new handgun...or sell any of their old ones for that matter. Only those of us who already owned hanguns get to keep and shoot...for now....confiscation will be inevitable as all are registered.
@@TheWolfsnack Don't remind me, I hate Trudeau for that, it'll do nothing for crime. Thanks for the answer, I was wondering about current owners being grandfathered in. Regardless of his nonsense, I can't afford one anyway.
I love the one screw take down that enables the user to open the swinging door and clean the internals. I have a ManuFrance 14mm/32 ga., bolt action, single shot Garden Gun that I have not been able to find any information on. I presume 2 World Wars destroyed any archives.
I'm glad to see these finally getting some attention. I picked one up a few years ago for $260 and no one can seem to make heads or tails of if it's collectible or not.
It should also be mentioned that Saint Etienne were a rather good UK indie-dance band that saw a decent degree of success in the 1990s. Not to be confused with any of the usages in this video.
Hi Ian, There is an immediate way to spot a civilian French 92 revolver on the left side: the lid has no hole. The ends of the axes of the hammer and the trigger do not cross it because the cover is only pierced over half of its thickness to accommodate them. Of the many civilian 92 revolvers I've seen, they had the same front sight as a genuine military MAS 92 revolver, so I think yours shows refurbishment or customization.
Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne => State owned military firearms factory Manufacture d'Armes *& Cycles* de Saint Etienne => Private manufacturer, assembler, retailer and mail order company (like Sears, Roebuck & Company).
I have the military version of this revolver. It is reliable and accurate and comfortable to grip. While it is still in my collection, my 1935S replaced it as my favourite pistol until I contracted Mauseritis and started buying C96's.
I have a Manufrance Mle 1892 that is a little different. It has a military pattern front sight and the suspected Manufrance inventory number is stamped into the bottom of the left wooden grip panel. Serial number 24237 and inventory number 4966.
A French revolver with the cylinder designed for lefties??? I have a potential buyer: He lives in Arizona and has a cool goat mustache and beard. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia
C'est une arme excellente, produite pendant une période charnière entre l'époque de la poudre noire, et l'époque de la poudre moderne. Les mentalités militaires étaient encore un peu arriérées, considérant un revolver comme une arme secondaire et un sabre comme une arme principale... (!!!!!!!!). Néanmoins, le 8.92 et son prédécesseur le 11.73 auront une très longue carrière en France. On les trouvera dans les tranchées de la première guerre jusque dans les fourgons de la Brink's, cette dernière ayant racheté les 1892 aux enchères aux Domaines dans les années 60... une autre époque... Aujourd'hui nos manufactures ont fermé (saint Étienne, Chatellerault, Tulle, Charleville...), on ne fabrique plus grand chose, et on achète nos fusils à nos ennemis d'hier. Ha, si les Poilus voyaient ça, ils se retourneraient dans leurs tombes.
Curiously, the civilian version is, in France, legal to buy without license (class D) but the military version il still under a state agreement to possess (class B)... the same gun...the same ammunition
@L. S. C'est vrai que la version civile est très chère, c'est parce que sécurité et collection se rencontrent. Pour la défense vous avez sans doute raison, c'est dommage pour les collectionneurs.
3:10 Saint Etienne is also the name of a fairly well-known band in the 90s, whose members (obviously) are all from... er... London. Apparently they named themselves after the football team.
Another great example of how arms being used by the military spur the acquisition of similar arms by civilians. Almost every firearm has its roots in military development.
So do the British. Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) was probably better known to Brits for its bicycles and motorbikes (the Bantam, Gold Star etc) than its firearms, though it was one of the biggest UK gun-makers of the 20th century. The brand still exists and is a leading maker air-rifles today.
@@ForgottenWeapons And Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works. Really, guns and bikes plus fishing reels were just about the only sport related mechanical products back then. Outdoors and sports equipment of a mechanical nature seemed to naturally belong together, and can largely be made on the same machinery. This is extra apparent when you realise that bicycle frames used to me made out of thin walled steel tubing, brazed or soldered together... Much like shotgun barrels are made of thin walled steel tubing brazed or soldered together to make double barrels. So if you had the machinery and skilled workforce to build double barreled shotguns, you already had more than half of a bicycle factory.
This was a great video on a really cool gun. I wonder if these civilian models were popular with left handed people due to the cylinder swinging out on their side.
Hi, guys, just a small comment from a French retired PO...(sorry for my English)...in France, the military model is classified in category B (you need a licence to get it.. BUTBUT, because of strange administration thinks, the CIVILIAN model is classified in category D !!! MEANS collection, you must be ober 18 yo....no paper, no following or whatever 😮😮. For the amo, same strange législation, if you charge with Black powder..D...with live powder..B !!!! ever if the power is the same 😂😂...i love your Chanel buy the way
6:40 Ironically, now the foreign-made 1892s are more desirable and expensive than the originals from Manufrance or the military. That is because a quirk in French law, where the originals are in Cat B (like modern handguns) but the foreign copies are technically a different model, and are classed in cat D (i.e. freely available for anyone over 18). I would also note a couple things about the ammunition (8mm92): 1- This actually was a black powder cartridge, originally. It is only with the release of the Lebel in 1886 that smokeless powder became a public thing, and the 1892s were ultimately only ever used with smokeless powder. 2- 8m92 ammunition is nigh impossible to find nowadays. As far as I know, only Fiocchi has some (at a ridiculous price). PSA: DON'T BUY 8m92 FROM FIOCCHI! It's utter garbage, under-powered to the point it's DANGEROUS. I fired 6 rounds from my Mdle 1892 (military issue, inherited from my grandfather) - of which three DID NOT CLEAR THE BARREL. I immediately returned the box to my gun dealer... and he later told me the sales rep he got in contact with that their import company had BANNED the import of that product because of how many issues they had with it. Cherry on the cake, the case is paper thin, so impossible to handload either... joy. EDIT: Ian, could you work your magic again and convince someone to make that cartridge available again? :(
@@Jacomedes It's a completely different cartridge, so short answer: no, it's not safe. Long answer: as far as I know and in .32 caliber, .32-20 WCF is *closer* to what is used in a Mdle 1892, as I've heard (but never tried) that it is common for handloader to "fire-form" .32-20 (trimmed) into 8mm92 brass. Do keep in mind that those very same handloaders also suggest using .38 Sp brass and a lathe to make 8mm92 brass... so there's more than a pinch of desperation and "système D" involved. (this being said - and I can't confirm because I don't have some .32 SW on hand - I'm very scared of the fact it might very well be possible to shoot .32 SW in a Mdle 1892, dimension-wise... with a lot of wiggle)
@L. S. They are... But powder is not, and you can cast your own bullets, so assuming you had brass you wouldn't really need a Cat B authorization with a spanish copy anyway. I'm not sure what category 8mm92 brass fall into, but de facto it's unregulated.
The chambering and ballistics were not mentioned, it's 8mm Lebel revolver, right? It's interchangeable with the very similar 7,5mm swiss revolver? I was told in a local gun store that you can put .32 S&W Long in the swiss ones.
Gotta hand it to the French - I always though they followed the US by adopting the design elements of the Colt M1892 revolver with the swing out cylinder. In fact, it was the other way around! And they offered this 'hi-tech' handgun soon to the civilians market too! Viva la France!
Recognizing that swing out cylinder revolvers date back to the Winchester revolver, my question becomes did Colt copy the French pistol for their New Army revolver's swing out cylinder or did France copy the Colt decision to make it's 1892 New Army revolver. Obviously S&W saw the sales profit writing on the wall and came to tate to the game with their own 1896 Hand Ejector revolver. But the question remains, did Colt copy France, or France copy Colt, or were they both independent and contemporaneous decisions to copy the earlier Winchester swing out design? And of course, how do we know 130 years later?
So good though that thing looks like a thorough good time. I think one of the ss officers from Indiana Jones had that kind of gun even though it's not a German handgun.
There is no way to know where these things have been and the stories they might tell. I have a St Etienne model 1873 revolver that a friends father took from a German officer during WWII. I wish it could talk...
Not sure they used the gun and the sword at the same time, may the idea was to lead the horse with the right hand.... But did they lead the horse with the left hand when using the saber ?
@@astrogug Infanty officers might use the revolver in the left hand and saber with the right, monted men always hold the briddle with the left. Sabers had a lanyard so one can load the revolver whithout putting the saber back in the scabbard.
Im really confused on my revolver, it dosnt have the script on the frame like a military one but it has the correct front sight, it has a polished over hammer pin, its got a serial number on the frame with a letter prefix. The only symbols i can find on it are some parts that re numbered 1,2,3 ect and a 3 pointed shield with a C in it.
Ian finally found something French to talk about LOL i just wish France for all its love of art, would make firearms that arent so obscene to the eye in their lines and form.. its like its a rule of french fire arms to be lumpy and misshapen in some way.. i mean they are mostly bangers for being good weapons, but so so ugly.
You do not want any milsurp firearm. Ever. They have had more rounds than you will _ever_ imagine put through them, have been abused in ways that would make you wonder how they even still function, and in general are beat to hell and back.
You can sometimes use 2 calibers like 357mag and 38 special. The handling is simpler in concept. For semiautomatic you have to remove mag then eject. No fear of limp wristing. Can conceivably fire from a pocket
A fairly short list of advantages and a list of disadvantages. Revolvers can be pushed into an attacker and still fire, a semi auto cannot. If a double action revolver fails to fire, just pull trigger again. As opposed to the whole "use other hand to rack slide..." mess of a semi auto. There's no chance of a revolver failing to load the next round, because you do that by hand and then the cylinder automatically rotates and indexes to line up correctly. ... Disadvantages: A revolver is heavier, it needs to have 5-8 chambers worth of metal. A revolver needs some careful machining to get the chambers to line up with the barrel every time. Revolvers have less capacity. Revolvers are slower to reload and it's a more complex action to reload them.
This is much like the Berretta M9 and FS. The FS is a civilian production gun and the M9 is millitary, though in this case both made by the same company. They SEEM like the same gun, but if you put them side by side, you find they are not. Slightly different triggers, slightly different slides, and the dust cover for the M9 is straight while it is slightly curved on the FS...but basically the same gun. Only a collector nerd would tell the difference, ha.
At last we found the winner of the ugliest gun competition !😅 Ian drinking game just started take a stiff drink every time he say something in french 🥃
Ian found a left handed revolver! And it's French! Bet y'all a dollar if he don't have one, he's gonna buy one!
Wish he started showing auction prices again, they were really interesting
@@Tr4wnet I don't think he can because of TH-cams policy against selling arms on the platform. Hence no links to the action site directly, but rather a link to his internal research site.
😂 I’d bet he is gonna bring one to a gun match
Dang, good point lol French AND a leftie revolver. Yeah he'd have a lot of fun with one of these I bet!
@@Tr4wnet I think he mentioned in his last Q&A that it is a problem with YTs policies talking about gun prices. Other than that, I totally agree. I think one of my favorite things on TV growing up was Tales of the Gun's most valuable guns. They talked about how one of Hitler's PPKs was worth well over a million dollars. They also said that John Wilkes Booth's gun he used on President Lincoln would likely be one of the most valuable guns if it were ever to go to auction. Another interesting one was the FN FN model 1910. When the show was made nobody knew where it was, but it was discovered later on and is in a museum in Vienna, I think.
As a former army officer, the words military grade literally send shivers down my spine...
Why is that?
Often produced by the lowest bidder. 😄
At that time, with a monopoly for producing the military model and very strict Ordonance controllers, the pecking order would be: 1st the revolvers to be acquired privately by officers, 2nd the duty ones for non-coms and soldiers, 3rd the police, customs, prison service ones, 4th the civilian market ones.
@@THEJaManes These days that usually means produced by the lowest bidder to the lowest possible functional fit/finish and then very roughly treated by a bunch of teens and early 20s soldiers who don't own it. They also usually have as few features and comforts as possible.
The lowest bidder that still meets the requirements, both safety and performance.
So usually pretty good, but not the best. The problem is that you then hand this gear to soldiers.
Anyone who describes their product as indestructible has never seen it issued to the infantry.
The good old days of empire, suitcase packed, check, passport and pistol check..Catching the steamer to Oran.
This may win the award for the most times saying Saint Etienne in a video.
You should try watching French football commentary. They get pretty passionate.
Taking a “shot” gets messy.
I imagine, 2000 years ago, a brisk market for the military gladius. I don't think the Romans had catalogs (tho they did have a kind of postal service), but I imagine weaponsmiths, "This is the genuine Army model!
“The new model balista throws a 10% heavier projectile 20% further and we now provide barbed projectiles.
The Judean People’s front will run a mile the minute they see it.
Don’t you mean the people’s front of Judea?
What?
What?
"We're the Peoples Front of Judea!!!!" @@Ag3nt0fCha0s
"So, do we want a loading gate or a swing-out cylinder?"
The French: "Ui."
@@l.s.676 I can pronounce it, yes. If I'm typing it, I'd rather just spell it the way the entire world decided it was spelled, centuries before either of us were born... Or I guess we're using alternate spellings of words that sound similar from other languages? Makes total sense. Good contribution.
Canada is doing the same thing, the SiG 320 was just adopted as a replacement for our old High Powers. Another great video with great historical information.
Yep I work up the street from the company supplying them, we have good talks on my lunch break
@@seanmaier4941 Very cool
Except in Canada...no civilian can purchase a new handgun...or sell any of their old ones for that matter. Only those of us who already owned hanguns get to keep and shoot...for now....confiscation will be inevitable as all are registered.
@@TheWolfsnack Don't remind me, I hate Trudeau for that, it'll do nothing for crime. Thanks for the answer, I was wondering about current owners being grandfathered in. Regardless of his nonsense, I can't afford one anyway.
Keep the high power. It's older but doesn't fire on its own.
I love the one screw take down that enables the user to open the swinging door and clean the internals. I have a ManuFrance 14mm/32 ga., bolt action, single shot Garden Gun that I have not been able to find any information on. I presume 2 World Wars destroyed any archives.
I'm glad to see these finally getting some attention. I picked one up a few years ago for $260 and no one can seem to make heads or tails of if it's collectible or not.
Very popular with the WW2 French Resistance due to being common and reasonably concealable
@@HarryJamesBooks I've seen a video of a Werwolf cache with one in it as well.
It's collectible if you want it to be.
Yep neat to know what these are now finally!
It's always fun to hear Ian talk about my home town: Saint Etienne !!! 😍😁😁
That double action pulls looks so much smoother and easier than the military one I’ve handled.
This man has the coolest job ever and he deserves it hands down ..
It should also be mentioned that Saint Etienne were a rather good UK indie-dance band that saw a decent degree of success in the 1990s. Not to be confused with any of the usages in this video.
RE: 5:00 I can't wait to see the upcoming video of the D guard mounted speed loader sabers used in conjunction with these revolvers! Haha.
Hi Ian,
There is an immediate way to spot a civilian French 92 revolver on the left side: the lid has no hole. The ends of the axes of the hammer and the trigger do not cross it because the cover is only pierced over half of its thickness to accommodate them.
Of the many civilian 92 revolvers I've seen, they had the same front sight as a genuine military MAS 92 revolver, so I think yours shows refurbishment or customization.
In summary : Saint-Étienne but not the town and not the manufacture d'armes but the civilian manufacture d'armes.
And bicycles.
Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne => State owned military firearms factory
Manufacture d'Armes *& Cycles* de Saint Etienne => Private manufacturer, assembler, retailer and mail order company (like Sears, Roebuck & Company).
I have the military version of this revolver. It is reliable and accurate and comfortable to grip. While it is still in my collection, my 1935S replaced it as my favourite pistol until I contracted Mauseritis and started buying C96's.
👍 I was at a gun show and saw a C96 and was able to hold it in my hand. The pictures do not do it justice. What a thing of beauty.
11:28 Ian slapping down his hard-on for French revolvers so we don't see it protrude above the table
I was wondering what that was - ...I am no more.
OH my goodness....
Plus One good sir... DOUBLE PLUS GOOD.
I really appreciate your work Ian
I have a Manufrance Mle 1892 that is a little different. It has a military pattern front sight and the suspected Manufrance inventory number is stamped into the bottom of the left wooden grip panel. Serial number 24237 and inventory number 4966.
I appreciate that Ian thinks I know enough about the French arms industry to be confused about it
2:48 When you didn't study for the test, so you wrote the answers on your arm.
Just teasing - love the content, Ian!
A French revolver with the cylinder designed for lefties???
I have a potential buyer: He lives in Arizona and has a cool goat mustache and beard. Greetings from Argentine Patagonia
Neat little piece; thanks for sharing.
C'est une arme excellente, produite pendant une période charnière entre l'époque de la poudre noire, et l'époque de la poudre moderne.
Les mentalités militaires étaient encore un peu arriérées, considérant un revolver comme une arme secondaire et un sabre comme une arme principale... (!!!!!!!!).
Néanmoins, le 8.92 et son prédécesseur le 11.73 auront une très longue carrière en France. On les trouvera dans les tranchées de la première guerre jusque dans les fourgons de la Brink's, cette dernière ayant racheté les 1892 aux enchères aux Domaines dans les années 60... une autre époque...
Aujourd'hui nos manufactures ont fermé (saint Étienne, Chatellerault, Tulle, Charleville...), on ne fabrique plus grand chose, et on achète nos fusils à nos ennemis d'hier.
Ha, si les Poilus voyaient ça, ils se retourneraient dans leurs tombes.
Just like today. "What does the army use? I want THAT".
Just what I need after 36 hrs of labor with my wife. Thanks for the moment of calm and normalcy Ian.
Congrats to your family, Calvin.
Very good for getting rat-like beasts to scurry in French bunkers
nice amnesia the bunker reference, I dont think people would understand as amnesia: the bunker isn’t popular.
@Johnnyboy21857 Well 3 other have so I consider this comment a win.
Curiously, the civilian version is, in France, legal to buy without license (class D) but the military version il still under a state agreement to possess (class B)... the same gun...the same ammunition
Hold on, didnt some bolt action just get legal to own.
@@burhanbudak6041 Getting worst over here !
@L. S. C'est vrai que la version civile est très chère, c'est parce que sécurité et collection se rencontrent. Pour la défense vous avez sans doute raison, c'est dommage pour les collectionneurs.
@@burhanbudak6041 The WW1 Lebel riffle has been released
3:10 Saint Etienne is also the name of a fairly well-known band in the 90s, whose members (obviously) are all from... er... London. Apparently they named themselves after the football team.
I didn't know about the band, but the football team (les verts) was a big deal in the 70's
I just love the look of old revolvers. Black powder all the way up to the late 1800's. So stylish due to experimentation.
Another great video about a great French firearm,tres bien Ian.
Another great example of how arms being used by the military spur the acquisition of similar arms by civilians. Almost every firearm has its roots in military development.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing Ian.
God bless all here.
There's nothing that goes better with a bicycle than weapons....The French know this.
So do the British. Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) was probably better known to Brits for its bicycles and motorbikes (the Bantam, Gold Star etc) than its firearms, though it was one of the biggest UK gun-makers of the 20th century. The brand still exists and is a leading maker air-rifles today.
Same with FN in Belgium, whose original logo was a rifle crossed with a pair of bicycle pedals.
@@ForgottenWeapons And Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works.
Really, guns and bikes plus fishing reels were just about the only sport related mechanical products back then. Outdoors and sports equipment of a mechanical nature seemed to naturally belong together, and can largely be made on the same machinery. This is extra apparent when you realise that bicycle frames used to me made out of thin walled steel tubing, brazed or soldered together... Much like shotgun barrels are made of thin walled steel tubing brazed or soldered together to make double barrels. So if you had the machinery and skilled workforce to build double barreled shotguns, you already had more than half of a bicycle factory.
My brother has the military version of the gun, I have it in front of me. So far it's all accurate, except there's no marking on the barrel.
This was a great video on a really cool gun. I wonder if these civilian models were popular with left handed people due to the cylinder swinging out on their side.
It's like somebody in France 125 years ago said "I think there will be a TH-camr someday who will appreciate this..."
During the French occupation of Syria 1925 _1945 , my father obtained a military version of this revolver and I still have it..
Hi, guys, just a small comment from a French retired PO...(sorry for my English)...in France, the military model is classified in category B (you need a licence to get it.. BUTBUT, because of strange administration thinks, the CIVILIAN model is classified in category D !!! MEANS collection, you must be ober 18 yo....no paper, no following or whatever 😮😮. For the amo, same strange législation, if you charge with Black powder..D...with live powder..B !!!! ever if the power is the same 😂😂...i love your Chanel buy the way
As a result, the military one cost 280/450 euros with an autorisation..and the civilian one 1200/1500 euros witjout papers 😮😮😮
Often the civilian commercial versions are even nicer than the military (for exemple Lugers).
Here it seems to be the contrary. Strange.
I absolutely love this stuff!
I just like the fact that someone in France said "We"re going to start a company that makes bicycles and guns". Then they actually did it...
Oui oui!
6:40 Ironically, now the foreign-made 1892s are more desirable and expensive than the originals from Manufrance or the military. That is because a quirk in French law, where the originals are in Cat B (like modern handguns) but the foreign copies are technically a different model, and are classed in cat D (i.e. freely available for anyone over 18).
I would also note a couple things about the ammunition (8mm92):
1- This actually was a black powder cartridge, originally. It is only with the release of the Lebel in 1886 that smokeless powder became a public thing, and the 1892s were ultimately only ever used with smokeless powder.
2- 8m92 ammunition is nigh impossible to find nowadays. As far as I know, only Fiocchi has some (at a ridiculous price).
PSA: DON'T BUY 8m92 FROM FIOCCHI! It's utter garbage, under-powered to the point it's DANGEROUS. I fired 6 rounds from my Mdle 1892 (military issue, inherited from my grandfather) - of which three DID NOT CLEAR THE BARREL.
I immediately returned the box to my gun dealer... and he later told me the sales rep he got in contact with that their import company had BANNED the import of that product because of how many issues they had with it.
Cherry on the cake, the case is paper thin, so impossible to handload either... joy.
EDIT: Ian, could you work your magic again and convince someone to make that cartridge available again? :(
Is it safe to use .32 S&W on the Mle 1892?
@@Jacomedes It's a completely different cartridge, so short answer: no, it's not safe.
Long answer: as far as I know and in .32 caliber, .32-20 WCF is *closer* to what is used in a Mdle 1892, as I've heard (but never tried) that it is common for handloader to "fire-form" .32-20 (trimmed) into 8mm92 brass. Do keep in mind that those very same handloaders also suggest using .38 Sp brass and a lathe to make 8mm92 brass... so there's more than a pinch of desperation and "système D" involved.
(this being said - and I can't confirm because I don't have some .32 SW on hand - I'm very scared of the fact it might very well be possible to shoot .32 SW in a Mdle 1892, dimension-wise... with a lot of wiggle)
@L. S. They are... But powder is not, and you can cast your own bullets, so assuming you had brass you wouldn't really need a Cat B authorization with a spanish copy anyway.
I'm not sure what category 8mm92 brass fall into, but de facto it's unregulated.
At one point I was going to buy one of those pistols as I think they're pretty cool.
Really interesting revolver. Did I miss Ian telling us what caliber they were chambered in?
It's 8 mm..i have a military one
8x27R. Similar power to .32acp
@@Gameprojordan thank you!
Time for Timer!
Just received mine ! need to change the percutor but i can't wait to take it to the stand :D
Okay, but does this revolver also go off in people's holsters?
Not the holsters of all people, son. Just cops.
The chambering and ballistics were not mentioned, it's 8mm Lebel revolver, right? It's interchangeable with the very similar 7,5mm swiss revolver? I was told in a local gun store that you can put .32 S&W Long in the swiss ones.
Great video. French, ahead of its time, left-handed… I wonder if Ian left Morphy’s with a new toy.
Gun Jesus never mentioned the caliber, which is unusual for him, just a small bore smokeless.
it looks like if you described a webley over the phone to a gunsmith
I saw that! 2:48
Using cheat notes was an immediate 0/10 back in my days...
The new hotness...1892.
Gotta hand it to the French - I always though they followed the US by adopting the design elements of the Colt M1892 revolver with the swing out cylinder. In fact, it was the other way around! And they offered this 'hi-tech' handgun soon to the civilians market too! Viva la France!
At that date were cavalry not using a sabre or lance right handed and a handgun left handed... hence it being left handed.
And officers in general used the saber as an implement of command, always in the right hand with pistol in the left.
Recognizing that swing out cylinder revolvers date back to the Winchester revolver, my question becomes did Colt copy the French pistol for their New Army revolver's swing out cylinder or did France copy the Colt decision to make it's 1892 New Army revolver. Obviously S&W saw the sales profit writing on the wall and came to tate to the game with their own 1896 Hand Ejector revolver. But the question remains, did Colt copy France, or France copy Colt, or were they both independent and contemporaneous decisions to copy the earlier Winchester swing out design? And of course, how do we know 130 years later?
I have a military St. Etienne production gun dated 1892 on the barrel (no, I’m not mistaking the model number). Was it actually made in 1893?
Here we see the military evolution of the French as they went from revolvers and bicycles to recoilless rifles and motor scooters.
So good though that thing looks like a thorough good time. I think one of the ss officers from Indiana Jones had that kind of gun even though it's not a German handgun.
There is no way to know where these things have been and the stories they might tell.
I have a St Etienne model 1873 revolver that a friends father took from a German officer during WWII. I wish it could talk...
@@richardelliott9511 I like historical peices
I hope the cavalry trooper remembered to put the sword down before reloading.
Not sure they used the gun and the sword at the same time, may the idea was to lead the horse with the right hand.... But did they lead the horse with the left hand when using the saber ?
@@astrogug Infanty officers might use the revolver in the left hand and saber with the right, monted men always hold the briddle with the left. Sabers had a lanyard so one can load the revolver whithout putting the saber back in the scabbard.
Im really confused on my revolver, it dosnt have the script on the frame like a military one but it has the correct front sight, it has a polished over hammer pin, its got a serial number on the frame with a letter prefix. The only symbols i can find on it are some parts that re numbered 1,2,3 ect and a 3 pointed shield with a C in it.
It's "military grade"™!
Was colloquially known as the "Lebel"
i love you and your work
This is cool history of a French handgun ,but seems counterproductive to show this before the auction unless you already have one in your collection.
Probably already had a military one, cause it is a french gun and we know Ian affinity for such item
@@Trenaime I know he has a military version since he did a match with one in a previous video. But this civilian type seems to be the rarer version.
They have a very good football team in Saint Etienne also.
A great very interesting video and revolver.What caliber was this revolver?Have a good one GJ.
I see some design elements very similar to the M1891 Nagant
Ian finally found something French to talk about LOL
i just wish France for all its love of art, would make firearms that arent so obscene to the eye in their lines and form..
its like its a rule of french fire arms to be lumpy and misshapen in some way..
i mean they are mostly bangers for being good weapons, but so so ugly.
As they say, the French copy no one, and no one copies the French...
@@DreamlessMemory lol i can say ive not heard that one before and it fits..
A matter of personal taste... I think this design is quite handsome.
The Manurhin MR73 is pretty fetching.
@@todglenn2707 i agree on that one
Thanks for the video
Ian talks about the military adopting the Sig and all I can hear is "Milsurp M9s"
gimmie gimmie!
You do not want any milsurp firearm.
Ever.
They have had more rounds than you will _ever_ imagine put through them, have been abused in ways that would make you wonder how they even still function, and in general are beat to hell and back.
Were the early "f" models proofed for smokeless powder?
My 1924 catalogue has them but my 1925 doesn't (just the Le Francaise in fact, no other pistols)
You need to bring it to the range!
I still don't get all the love for French arms when Czech are so much weirder. Every single model has something unique to it.
Aha!! I saw you looking at notes!!!
I love my beretta 92
Googled "French handgun history" .... No comprehensive articles found.
Sounds like a new book is needed!!
Does he mention the caliber?
No; Wiki says 8mm French Ordnance for the military ones;
civilian revolvers???? who knows....
heres a question.
do revolvers have any practical advantages over semi automatics?
ive heard them described as "the katana of guns".
You can sometimes use 2 calibers like 357mag and 38 special.
The handling is simpler in concept. For semiautomatic you have to remove mag then eject.
No fear of limp wristing.
Can conceivably fire from a pocket
A fairly short list of advantages and a list of disadvantages.
Revolvers can be pushed into an attacker and still fire, a semi auto cannot.
If a double action revolver fails to fire, just pull trigger again. As opposed to the whole "use other hand to rack slide..." mess of a semi auto.
There's no chance of a revolver failing to load the next round, because you do that by hand and then the cylinder automatically rotates and indexes to line up correctly.
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Disadvantages:
A revolver is heavier, it needs to have 5-8 chambers worth of metal.
A revolver needs some careful machining to get the chambers to line up with the barrel every time.
Revolvers have less capacity.
Revolvers are slower to reload and it's a more complex action to reload them.
What round does it take?
8mm French Ordnance. Often called 8mm Lebel Revolver, but it actually has no connection to Lebel.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks Ian.
Thank you !
Kinda looks Like the Pistols used by Brendan Fraser in the movie Mummy
Why would you dry fire an antique firearm ?
Was conceal carry a thing in pre-war Metropolitan-France ?
we lost our right to carry in 1940, i let you guess why
@@whitelegion666 Vichy French law?
@@liammeech3702 April 8th, 1939, civil war scare, the society was very polarized.
@@liammeech3702 you're god damn right
No mention of the calibre. What is it? (Looks about .45.)
8mm French OR
8x27mmR. Slightly more powerful than .32 S&W long.
I have a military one of these. I can't cock the hammer back and fire. Anyone know what's wrong?
This is much like the Berretta M9 and FS. The FS is a civilian production gun and the M9 is millitary, though in this case both made by the same company. They SEEM like the same gun, but if you put them side by side, you find they are not. Slightly different triggers, slightly different slides, and the dust cover for the M9 is straight while it is slightly curved on the FS...but basically the same gun. Only a collector nerd would tell the difference, ha.
yeah yeah yeah the gun, you started lifting Ian?
it should be note that French prof would make the gun more desirable in the UK as well.
Any idea what caliber?
Another commenter said 8x27R, power is about like .32ACP
How casually you mentioned a Sears & Roebuck catalog…how old ARE you?? 😜
Did they make a civilian Lebel or Berthier?
Yes, both.
I have one of those. What could it be worth?
At last we found the winner of the ugliest gun competition !😅 Ian drinking game just started take a stiff drink every time he say something in french 🥃
Nice!
Ah, yes. The rare sight of Ian cheating. 2:48
*looks at table with my P320/m17, DPP and x300u* Hmm, yes, I can follow Ian's logic.
So what's the odds that Ian bids on this?
If he's showing it as a video like this, he's not bidding on it.