Thor Love And Thunder - Redemption or Destruction?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Now that I've had a chance to get my thoughts in order, here's my assessment of the Thor Love And Thunder trailer. Will this movie redeem Thor after Endgame turned him into a clown, or destroy him to make way for Lady Thor? Find out here.
What do bad writers do when they get to write Thor? "Oh, let's make him unworthy for the 23434th time." Thor has been deemed unworthy on shaky reasons and then worked his way to being worthy countless times. After seeing him put himself to the point of death and past the point of death a few times, fighting against evil forces for real life decades, we know who he is: someone who always ends up putting the lives of others above his own and fighting till his last breath to stop evil. If that is not a hero, then what is?
He's white and therefore problematic.
"If that is not a hero, then what is?" aparently only women.
My friend, I see the point that you're making, however you have missed one crucial fact, is he DIVERSSSSSSEEE!!!!?????
He's a privileged, white, male who never had to work for anything... or something stupid like that.
“If that is not a hero, then what is?”
The answer is Wanda Maximoff because she’s a girlboss who doesn’t care about accountability.
Valkyrie isn’t a drunk woman, she’s a deserting soldier that turned to capturing and trading slaves, who were forced to fight to the death, all to fuel her alcoholism, which is a million times worse. And how was she punished for this? She was left in charge. There’s no chance noble Asgardians would follow such a piece of shit, knowing how she behaved after ONE defeat.
But, she can quit anytime she wants, so she isn’t an addict.
I thought all the nobles were killed ? I can't keep up with how many Asgardians has died
That's a good point. Considering how much the woke claim to hate slavery, it's odd that nobody's pointed this out.
@@mathisleyenda8724 I'm thinking he's using Noble like Noble and Just, and not land owner with a title..
I'm guessing that if a black woman is a slaver, it can't be called slavery, like how she can't be racist?
I don't see anyone asking the simple question: What has Jane Foster done to become worthy? It took Steve Rogers 10+ years of build up to eventually pick up the hammer in an epic moment. What did Jane do?
My guess is - probably some alternatve universe stuff. Or time traveling shinanigans again. Ergo - giving her time and opportunity to prove herself. Probably Thor dying in some alt universe so she had to take his place and all that.
She's a woman. That's enough nowadays, apparently. SMH
BOBS AND VAGANA
have you read the comics?
@@CrazyMazapan what is it with you snowflakes and hating woman
"Natalie PortPerson" instead of "Natalie Portman" was the funniest, most clever jab I've seen in a month. Props to you Drinker, for sticking with The Program. I feel this is a safe space.
No, You mean "Natalie PortPerdaughter" right
Jane Foster coming in to help Thor as an act of final sacrifice, rather than taking over as new female Thor, would actually be a phenomenal way to end her arc. Let's hope for that.
Nah this is marvel, I doubt they will do that
If you actually think female Yiddish Thor is not here to destroy a White God of the Old World, you are not paying attention.
Yes, that's a great idea from Drinker, don't think they'll do it
Hahahahaha! No.
This is the M-She-U.
Will never happen. Not these days.
The whole thing about Mjolnir was that Thor (and Cap) needed to prove they were worthy of carrying it. There's been no build-up for Jane Foster to do the same. Meaning, it's probably going to be a meaningless affair. Cheapening Thor and Cap's moments in the process.
Suggesting a woman ever needs to prove herself is totes bigotted
@@davenathan2002 what is woman?
Nah, don't you get it? The hammer was still finding "herself". Now that "she" realizes what she is, only a woman can lift her.
Well, they had to prove themselves worthy because they're not women. Foster sidesteps that by the power of vagine.
the emasculation of men. Have you not been paying attention to Hollywood's love of the message? Especially since they are white males to, which disregards historical context where white man is rightfully pretty awesome. Every else had the chance, what were they doing if they were so awesome?? The lack of receipts are worth talking about.
I'm pretty sure Chris Hemsworth said in an interview that he was willing to play Thor as long as he was needed but Disney has yet to renew his contract. I fully except this to be his last movie and he's going to go out with a whimper.
yea but hes more jack than ever so..
they will segway in a powerful nonwhite male and along the way do to this WM character what they did to say Han Solo or luke skywalker.
If he was really committed to the role he'd transition to female. He's not willing to sacrifice for the craft, so he doesn't deserve the power of Thor!
There’s no proof it will be a whimper we have seen one teaser trailer lol
Oh crystal ball of mine will masculinity rise again in marvel movies
Did you just assumed my gender
Ohh shit here we go again
Jane Foster being worthy is a big ass FU to Cap being worthy. Tf did Jane ever do?
Fr
Isn’t it obvious, she was a female who knew Thor
It should have been Sif
@@Thrawn23. She stabbed the destroyer in the neck and was willing to die in the first film
@@spacemandoesthings1017 god by osmosis i see
Damn, the Drinker's version on how they should go with Jane Thor as the way to save real Thor and sacrifice herself is sooo good, I even started to like Foster's character when I was thinking about it XD But how much of hope can we really have this to be a real thing?... :/
Not much.
One of the theories making it's way on the internet since the trailer is that "Laydy Thor" is actually not Jane Foster ...or at least not the Jane Foster we know. That she actually comes from a different timeline, and that would also explain how Mjölnir is back.
I suspect that the trailer actually doesn't give much of an idea of what the movie is really about. There are rumors that Beta Ray Bill is in it, even though he was not shown, and we know Gorr the God Butcher is in it, and he wasn't show either. At least I wouln'd be surprised if "Thor needing to find himself" is only like the first 20 min of the film, and then we get to some Galaxy changing disasters and Multiverse shennanigans!
@Joshua EdwinRoehl that hammers from this timeline you can see its all cracked the whole thing is stupid they just like fuck you you will watch it anyway
I don't see them handing a franchise as big as Thor over to a 40 yr old actress. Portman looks good, damn good for her age but c'mon! She's not gonna start looking younger and if they want even 2 more movies from her, she's going to be close to 50 by the time it's done. They'll probably set it up as Lady Thor being the daughter of Thor and Jane from another time-line or something.
there's no point hyping yourself in mcu anymore after endgame
since there are literally no stakes to anything now (much like the comics, its only a testbed for what sticks now, nothing for stuff to "MARVEL" at anymore)
anyone dies can be brought back, if you are a monster you are a good guy next
there are no stakes, leaving nothing to be hyped about, THERE IS NO POINT WATCHING AND WASTING MONEY ON IT ANYMORE
full & final since nothing matters
A woman sacrificing herself for a man? In the current feminist era? Forget about it. Will never happen.
I remember how "Thor Ragnarok" ended with Thor taking up the mantle of King of Asgard and how proud I was for him. He learned humility and the importance of selflessness, had been pushed out of his comfort zone as a privileged royal in order to stand on his own two feet, lost his parents, his eye, and his homeworld, all of which led to him earning the role of king. Annnnd then in "Avengers: Endgame", he's reduced to a drunken manchild who is more concerned with playing videogames and eating until he's an obese stereotype rather than leading the survivors of Asgard and the Snap. At the end of the film, Thor decides to hang out with the Guardians of the Galaxy rather than accept his royal responsibilities and gives the position to Valkyrie, who had so far done nothing to suggest that she was deserving or even qualified for the job. Thor worked his way up to being king, becoming not only a worthy leader but also a good person, suffering physically and emotionally to improve himself. Meanwhile, Valkyrie is just given the title of "king" without having to work for it. I mean, in the "Thor: Love and Thunder" trailer, we see her attending some kind of important meeting and she looks f***ing bored. Yeah, that's definitely someone you'd want to have running things: someone who seems as though she'd rather be anywhere else instead of a person that respects the position they've been given and the responsibility that comes with it. I'd rather follow Fat Thor instead of a miserable, smug and condescending person like her.
"Yeah, that's definitely someone you'd want to have running things: someone who seems as though she'd rather be anywhere else instead of a person that respects the position they've been given and the responsibility that comes with it."
Well, that's just it, isn't it? It's been given to her. She didn't earn it. People often don't respect the things they've been given. I'm sure this isn't what Tiki was going for, but it's ironic that he nailed it accidentally with her.
The funny thing is that the next in line is Loki, who isn't ideal, but is relatively competent as a leader.
I can't imagine missing the point of a character arc this hard, especially when it was so explicitly spelled out in the movie. God damn.
Well, the film is clearly going to make him confront this decision, in case you didn't notice. The villain is Christian flipping Bale as the goose-bumpingly scary motherflipping Gorr. We just saw one first teaser, dude, CHILL OUT EVERYBODY.
Of course shit is gonna get serious, but it's also a Taika movie, so brace yourselves for the dozen jokes.
And regarding fat Thor, you never experienced his level of losses, what do you know. He didn't *_loose stuff_* . He lost *_the most important_* stuff to him. If you went back in time and asked 2000's Thor to make a top 10 most important things in his life, they are all gone now. That's not easy to suirvive to, Asgardian or not.
@u know what i did thanks mate that's a nice trailer
It's not lost on people that when writers have an 'immortal warrior' character suddenly needing to go on a journey of 'peaceful self-discovery', it's not only ludicrous, but it's what the writers themselves think they've done themselves, but actually don't have the ability to do.
OMG dude, he MUST go home as his planet NEEDS him
@@darrengordon-hill "Loki died on the way home."
Surely it would make sense though? He’s not going to be the same forever…
before any writer starts on an immortal character, they need to either pick up a book or at minimum watch the man from earth. Perspective changes with age and immortal characters may look 30-40 but should not act that age.
@@dlwf11111 He was already changing and growing into the ruler of Asgard, only to throw it away and "self-discover". No, it doesn't make sense.
You were right about her she was insufferable and they kept letting her have the upper hand on Thor in the script. I hope they don't continue downgrading Thor to boast up lady thor. I hate when they pull that crap
they even had Hulk rolling on the ground for her. about ruined it for me, but the Hulk/Thor dynamic kept me hanging on. her coming out to battle, with the orgyship's fireworks, with that stupid expression/neck thing had me rolling.
Who are you guys referring to?
@@thephoenix4093 Valkyrie
@@zanitzeuken oh. If I recall correctly she electruted him once and got the upper hand didn't she? Pretty sure they didn't fight again.
@@thephoenix4093 we're applying that "upperhand" to all her interactions, not just the fighting. they have both Thor and Loki talking and behaving like awkward teens while she looks at them like they just kicked her dog. she never has to take account for being a wad to everyone, in fact they just kind of take it.
Natalie Portman's presence in this film pretty much makes me feel cynical about the whole movie. Portman ditched the franchise when it was pulling in mediocre numbers, but once Thor became a billion dollar brand she was eager to get another big paycheck. Through Endgame, Thor had appeared in three solo films and four Avengers flicks, and the best Thor stories were all without the Jane Foster character. In other words, Thor improved as a character no thanks to Portman, who thought the MCU wasn't worth her time. But now that they turned around Thor as a brand, she's back.
Eh, that I actually don't care about. It's a job.
To be brutally honest, Portman's movie career peaked with Leon...
@@sitcomchristian6886 agreed. She’s a Harvard grad and an Oscar winner. I’d bet the Lady Thor storyline was implemented with her in mind. Thor still is the sole possessor of the Odinforce atm. Marvel would be foolish to kill him off
Nortler portmanteau is living off her legacy from Leon
Who is Natalie Portman??
I think you all miss out on something: WHERE IS SIF? Y'know, the black haired woman warrior, friend of Thor in the first movie, who was literally pulled out of existence in Ragnarok because Taika I guess didn't want to kill her like the rest of Thor's friends (who btw don't even have Thor react to their deaths). She would have been a great Asgardian heroine we already know, instead of Tessa Thompson, or she could reappear in this movie.
You mean Thor's wife whose hair was so blonde that when Loki shaved it off they hired dwarves to replace it with gold strands?
@@21mushroomcupcakes33 yes, in the myths, but honestly why do you want accuracy in Marvel movies after how many years
she's confirmed to be in the movie
@@sakarisippola5746 confirmed by who? and in what role? not as a replacement for Thor I bet
@@sztallone415 Sif of course
I always found the Thor being "worthy" thing to be silly. Not the concept, the concept is good, I mean the parameters.
These guys were the gods of the old Norse. Being worthy might be "does anything his lord commands, never flees from a fight, doesn't leave his enemies alive." But nope, being worthy means having late 2oth/early 21st century morals.
That is a great point.
Yeeees, this!! This is why I loved it when Cap couldn't raise the hammer in Avengers 2. Cap has different core values to the Asgardians.
And why I disliked it when he did so in Endgame.
But that's a "poetic license", if we followed your logic, we would have them speak Old Norse
I always thought that the parameters for the hammer were based on the Nine Noble Virtues
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Noble_Virtues
Why not just have the worthiness enchantment only apply to mortals? Thor 1 could still work with Odin making the hammer inaccessible to Thor until he learned his lessons. That could fix that issue.
Yo drinker, You were spot on, definitely destruction.
Thor: the Lost Avenger would be a better title for this one. I’ve never seen a character go through so many “identity crisis” arcs… every movie he’s been in he’s searching for who he really is🤷🏽
What about this title...Thor: Wrath Of The God Butcher?
@@robotboy1722 that’d be More insulting, giving i’m nearly certain they’ll ruin gor’s character too
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 well Gorr is the main villain in this one apparently…😢
@@robotboy1722 honestly I don’t know how they’re going to fit his arc in. Already there’s GOTG, Lady Thor, King Valkyrie that will need screen time as well. Maybe: “Thor: We think he’s in this movie” is the best title 😂😂
@@atdubya9576 GOTG are gonna be gone by end of ACT 1, you can see them part with each other in the trailer. It's gonna almost certainly be due to them finding all these dead gods.
Really not sure how Lady Thor fits in. Doubtful it's multiverse because of the cracks but we'll see. The only way it works for me is if Portman plays a COMPLETELY different and serious version of the character from another universe. Apparently she was pissed about the woman director getting fired in Thor 2 and that was part of her performance issues.
Valkyrie... eh. I like Tessa Thompson more than Drinker but her ability to get the best of arguably the strongest avenger like it was nothing was unearned and a bit grating. If there was any mention of Valkyrie's in the first two it would have been better.
I really, really, REALLY hope Thor isn't a background character in his own movie. I don't get that sense here.
Tessa Thompson's acting range is incredible managing to do entire movies with the same facial expression!
She's competing with Brie Larson 😄
The classic wooden expression,Nothing like says good acting right there!
(I'm being sarcastic)
She’s also a racist, so that’s a no for me.
She went to the kirsten stewart school of acting lol
Who needs facial expressions, when you´re good at taking facials from the director, amirite?
Absolute destruction is all that’s assured here, we’ve seen this pattern repeated too many times to expect differently.
Yes indeed
Mumble, I wouldn't say that luckily taika waitity is a great director and writer, so he can easily delivers if Disney doesn't cuck him
I like how Drinker brings up the storyline where Jane Foster basically sacrifices herself to save Thor. Of course there is *NO WAY* they'd put that in a movie, LOL.
I think the trailer is meant to throw us all off. But let us not forget who the villain will be, I hope there will be some bloody moments.
Idk man... People already seem overly negative in the comments for a teaser without any context to the plot or even concept of the movie. What if most of what was meantioned isn't the case or is hiding things till after Doctor Stange is shown (which is highly the case)...
Point is, saying that it is already destruction now with absolution is kinda ridiculous mate.
I was really looking forward to this movie when I was watching the trailer, but as soon as I saw a Lady-Thor I knew that this was going to be a shit show.
I remember in the comic books after Thor had a brief fight with Lady-Thor he tried to call the hammer back to him, and when he thought the hammer was coming back to him he reached out to grab it but then it smacked him in the face and flew to Lady-Thor.
It was at that moment that I immediately hated Lady-Thor.
And that was the main issue with Marvel trying to replace all their classic characters with diversity hires, they were completely disrespectful to the classic characters.
Jane dies because she quite literally can't handle the power of being Thor. Everytime she picks up the hammer it's slowly killing her, and in the end it does. And Thor gets mjolnir back.
The movies a solid 7. But what I appreciated was Thor is the main guy. He's the main hero. Lady Thor and Valkyrie are his support. His back up dancers. He's the one that saves the day, and has ti save them multiple times.
@@Paul94096 I stopped reading modern comic books when Marvel started replacing more classic characters, so I honestly didn't know what happened to Jane and Thor.
Thank you for giving me the closure that I didn't know I needed.
(I still read comics from the 1980s to 2010)
Gotta disagree with Drinker - The first Thor movie actually holds up quite well, at least the story made sense for the character he
earned his power and Odin teaching him a valuable lesson. Infinity War showed Thor as he should be determined, stoic, capable
and again earning his new power before being quickly depowered and turned into a joke in Endgame. I have zero hope they are
going to do justice to Thor in Love and Thunder, its all going to be about Female wanna be Thor and how she is more worthy than him!
Dude also said the first two Thor movies had weak villains like WTF ? Loki was the villain of the first Thor movie and I remember people saying as late as 2016 that he was the ONLY great villain the MCU had had.
go see the movie to support corporations! we must protect the corporations
Agreed, I liked the first Thor movie because of the setting, lore and tone was different from the other MCU movies we’d seen.
Thor 1 is a cool standalone movie. You don't need to know anything about any other MCU movie and can just watch it by itself. Thor 2 isn't much though
I don't get it. Thor is strong and resilient af without Mjolnir. Didn't he take a hit from the power of the sun in order to forge Stormbreaker? How can Jane get all of Thor's power just by lifting Mjolnir? She's just a weak ass woman and I don't remember Captain America all of a sudden becoming Thor when he lifted it. None of this makes sense to me...
I would like to thank The Drinker for introducing me to calling the woke BS in movies today, "The Message." Thank you as always Drinker.
Also, RIP earphone users.
@i bought Elon If I ever click on this shit to give you a view is only to dislike it.
proud of indoctrination. ...weird flex but okay
@@lilmovieperp3599 lol the projection, your cult keep spreading said message no matter the medium, we are just calling you woke leftoid out.
Not just in movies my friend , not just movies
Natalie portperson made me laugh way harder than it should have. Thank you for being so inclusive, drinker!
I've been calling her that for years. It's a good one.
bruh 😂💀💀
😂😂
Yeah, that antisemitism sure is something isn't it?
@@ShadowSonic2 ?
After watching MoM I am not excited for the next Thor film. They're going to somehow make him a side character in his own movie.
It's almost like they don't give these smaller female characters their own films because they know no one will buy tickets so they have to shoehorn them into larger films so they can ride the coattails of heroes people actually like and care about.
haha disney
Exactly. Just like they did with Obi-wan.
With MOM, I thought Wanda was by far the most charismatic and interesting Character in that movie, so if she was the biggest standout, that's not that character's fault. Also Wandavision is still the only academy nominated marvel property, and Elizabeth is the only actor in the entire MCU to be nominated for major acting awards as lead actress for her MCU project. All the other MCU awards are always MTV movie awards. So low key, Wandavision is one of the most successful marvel projects to date.
@@Paul94096 I wasn't talking about Wanda. If the central conflict was between Strange and Wanda was the focus, then that would be fine. Especially considering Wanda was in the press material and we all knew she was going to be in it.
I'm talking about the walking talking MacGuffin that was America Chavez who wasn't even a complete character but took up over half the film's narrative. Everything was about getting her home, until the end when she decided to train in the mystic arts. Fuck her whole family and reason for being, I guess.
Thor was the main charecter for this one, it was pretty good
I love how they give Portman the full Thor mask when they never did for Thor. Makes it easier to stuntwoman or deep fake her.
According to the merchandise, he does wear a full mask in this movie in his new costume that wasn't shown in the trailer. The reason behind Thor not wearing his helmet in the movies is because it was uncomfortable for Chris Hemsworth and it kept falling off during fight scenes. Jane foster wears it because it's just how she looks in the comics and it's more of a mask with a chin strap than a helmet.
@@VincentStevenStudio _and_ it's gonna be easier to put stunts in that mask. can't really do front shots with a stunt without a mask.
@@VincentStevenStudio Doesn't Thor also have a helmet in the comics?
@@eziop5539 yes he does which again they decided not to use it on film because Chris was uncomfortable and it kept falling off. The only time he wore it was during the coronation scene in the first Thor and he wore one in Ragnarok during the Gladiator scene with hulk. Realistically unless its strapped down to his chin like Captain America, it will just keep falling off unless they CGId it or added chin staps but that will look silly unless it's a full mask.
In real life, (of course it’s real) he had a big red beard.
All that growth meant nothing once they decided Valkyrie, a former slaver, could just lead the Asgardians because grill power.
As for Portman, that stunt actor looks weird around the eyes, like they badly cgi'd Portman's features in.
Mmm, George Foreman
I swear to God, if Thor gets lectured for deserting, when Valkyrie did the same thing thousands of years prior, I'm walking out.
@@dannypalin9583 I won't walk out. I won't be in in the first place.
Kinda makes sense if Waititi did that because of his relationship with her. Actually everything makes sense when you take that into account
@@dannypalin9583 Valkyrie of all people have no rights to judge Thor. Ever.
She deserted and lived as a slaver because her unit got wiped out. Understandable, but if anything, she should be the one who understand Thor the most.
Thor, under the span of less than a decade, broke up with his girlfriend, lost his family before his eyes, maimed, humiliated, forced to watch people close to him get violently murdered, lost his home, his people who he is supposed to protect are on the brink of extinction despite his best effort to save them, failed to kill Thanos and had to live with the guilt that he once again failed to save innocent people. It took all of that, in order, to finally break Thor, but even then, he was not completely broken.
How can anyone else be "Thor?"
His name is literally Thor Odinson...
When Steve Rogers wielded the hammer in Endgame, that was a huge deal, but he didn't all the sudden become Thor Rogers.
Same with "King of Asgard." What exactly has Valkyrie done to be worthy of this? A semi-love interest, who just happens to know Thor at the end of Endgame while he joy rides around the Universe? You'd think that at the end of Thor's character arc, he would see that there are VERY few people who are worthy of such jobs (Steve, Vision) and he would make the right choice to lead his people. This comes after his father straight up told him, Asgard is not a place, it is a people. Well, fuck. He just straight up deserts both and has apparently learned nothing from his father's wise words, nor his own life.
Beta Raybill out thor'd...thor..at least in the comics. Yeah it was weird.
Yeah like theres is 0 logic of narrative trying to make it clear what characters gonna be like in movie, this story leading into new restart where thor will become again kind and leader or more responsible as cosmic hero, or it has zero logic if thor is not worthy then no jane or valkyrie or others should take lead in anything, thor is main marvel character like batman or superman in dc you cant say this hero is now very different.
Mighty Thor?
That's like changing my girlfriend's name into mine, then slapping in the word "Mighty"
I think in the comics whoever wields the hammer carries the title of Thor, and his real name is simply 'Odinson'
@@TiddyTwyster doesn't make sense though, Odinson is literally saying he's the son of Odin it's a title, any son of Odin is Odinson (Baldur, Loki etc.)
The story arc of Tatyana in Drinker’s videos is more complex than Thor’s.
Yeah…Will I watch this movie? Yes. Will I watch this movie in the theaters?! Oh Hell No. The Bounty of the OPEN SEAS will see me through once again! 👍🏾
Will I watch this movie? Funk, no!
I doubt I'll bother casting off for this one.
Don't think I'll even bother for free
YARRR! Avast yeee scallywags, south americans are all with you!
Call it a tribute to his eyepatch-wearing daddy.
Not only did Jane have no build up to show that she's worthy of wielding Mjolnir, she's also taking Thor's name has if it was a mantle.
It's not, that's his name and it shows that the writers have no confidence in her character standing on her own without taking the identity of another more popular hero.
Identity theft is no laughing matter.
Just like with Supergirl and Batwoman (the CW versions at least).
@@taags Millions of families suffer from it every year.
There's plenty of goddesses in the Norse pantheon. But it had to be Thor because he had the established reputation. And these ideologues don't have the imagination to build up a characters reputation from scratch so they have to hijack it from of another. And then wonder why it's not equally accepted.
Yeah its literally a fucking comic story line. Thor literally allows her to use his name thor
"Bring me Thanos" is his best ever moment. And, one could argue, the peak MCU moment.
Agreed, that scene is awesome!
Yep.
Peak MCU moment was Thor throwing Stormbreaker against a fully powered Infinity Gauntlet to Thanos and landing a nearly fatal blow then grabbing the back of Thanos's head with his bare hand like how a lion shows off a kill dangling from their mouth.
Well for me anyways.
That was good. - All they need is Robert Eggers to direct the follow up to this steaming pile of trash - I mean they straight up killing this character altogether. Sickening what Marvel is doing. smdh. SAD.
thanos more like th anos
-Are you Thor, the god of hammers?
-No, I'm Mighty Thor. I'm better in every way.
-But you've got Mjolnir now, and that seems to be your only claim to the title. You aren't my child.
-Shut UP!!!
-Actual exchange between Odin and Jane Foster
Maybe this power and name transfer would work better if the first batch of Asgardians weren't _literally_ the OG Norse gods.
Oh well, that's superhero storytelling for you.
Rule of thumb: Tessa Thompson can immediately turn a five star movie into a two star disaster just by being cast.
she's insufferable
She’s not that bad. Seriously.
@@LyleVSXyle Oh, name 3 good movies with her then.
@@Seus-s Annihilation, Creed, Sorry To Bother You
@@LyleVSXyle Was annhilation that good? Didnt really think it was that great myself. Creed was good but not because she played any sort of major role. I guess she was in it though and I still liked it so I guess you're right
Its sad seeing a character that has gone through so much heartbreak and adversary,from having to fight his own sister to watching his own brother get choked to death all of that just to get made fun of
In endgame and now this,thor and chris deserved so much better.
The only time I felt any sense of hardship from Thor was in Infinity War. The first movie felt soap operatic, the second movie's emotion lay mostly with Hiddleston's Loki, and it barely matters that Hela was made into his sister because he and Loki had no concept of her existence prior to its events. We get no real emotional substance from him in the first two Avengers movies.
Loki's death and his people's near extinction is the most emotional weight we get with Thor; while heavy, it took them way too many movies to get there.
Yeah, that killed it for me. The arc of his development fell right off a damn cliff in endgame. It just felt like they needed to power him down needlessly. Fat Thor just ruined that movie for me since I was a Thor fan.
@@mallios13 when i brought up him fighting hela i was more so reffering to the events of that movie rather than saying he had any connection to her on any level (i also forgot her name hence why i said his sister) and while those movies were corny and overly comedic at times the character development was always there even from the the first movie.He was overy arrogant he lost his mom,him and his brother that he loved were always on bad terms etc,and while some of these moments were not taken as seriously as i wouldve liked u cant say his movies didnt develop him through hardship.I know thats not what your saying and as far as them taking to long i agree but the hardship was always there if u cut through the jokes,whether u felt it or not is subjective.
@@christopherlewis6915 The character development is still there. Even in Endgame, jokes being made at his expense didn't change the character's OWN struggle. You're just making up fluffy reasons and glossing over how bad the earlier two movies were.
@@simonbright2975 The problem with what u just said is endgame did reverse development where what the character has learned and the traits he aquired over the other movies were intentionally forgotten about in order to have comic relief,the other movies were no where near great thats not what im saying at all,i just appreciate the movies before endgame as far as thor goes because those movies pushed him forward instead of backwards
You know, the saddest part is that if they wanted a lighthearted action romcom so bad, they still could have done it.
Imagine: King Thor of New Asgard of Earth, struggling in the diplomacy the throne requires. Thor has no representation in the realms, and now Jotunheim comes calling to challenge Thor for the throne to Asgard, as he was technically never coronated and Loki was stolen at birth and his lineage has more claim to the throne by his honorable death before the Mad Titan (maybe the patricide/regicide Loki did made him King of Jotunheim through conquest, and therefore his title passes Thor's as Asgard's Crown Prince, idk). We could have the 'Love' of 'Love and Thunder' be someone's bright idea to try a political marriage to stave off another invasion. The Frost Giantess offered will be "the smallest noble they have," but she is obviously a honey pot/black widow, part of the secret coup for her to return control to Jotunheim once she marries and murders Thor. Thor is oblivious and genuinely smitten with her, all eight feet of blue skin and red eyes. Have the comedy be their wedding procession/political campaign through the Nine Realms, her failing several times to discretely murder Thor as she grows to actually like him and the conflict between the pride of her people restored and her heart, Thor juggling his strange new bride and struggling to build alliances with the other Realms due to him and Earth being perceived as weak, both of them flubbing the customs and sensibilities of every planet they hit, etc. The main conflict can come from other people who seek to conquer Earth now that Odin is dead and no longer a deterrent. Maybe Idunn's immortality apples can't grow anywhere else, so it's a resources thing, or maybe Thor's time with the Guardians of the Galaxy led to some bad situations that are coming to a head now. Hell, maybe Hela is undead and goes across the galaxy collecting souls for her new realm Hel built on the ashes of Old Asgard, and has come to collect Thor's. So many ways to write an action-packed romcom that hits all the quadrants without shitty characters like Jane Foster and Valkyrie.
This is actually really smart but I think they want to base the movies from the comics
@@MateoTlm Then they may as well throw 90% of the MCU out because most are original stories with familiar names and faces, at best. Thor Ragnorak alone was almost completely different from how it went down in the comics.
Honestly, I like some (definitely not all, like race washing or gender flipping) deviations from the source material. It keeps it fresh. But if we want more likeness to comics, you could dump my Frost Giantess and use Amora the Enchantress somehow. Thor comics were not my favorite, so I don't remember her enough to fan write her story here lol
Holy shit, that sounds like a movie I want to watch! Why didn't Marvel hire you yet?
I really like this idea. this would have been more in Taika's valley even
How is it that fans/random people can come up with better and more narrative relevant stories and ideas then the writer s being payed by big studios
Waitwaitwait I know it's because the former actually care/love the property enough to make something decent for the characters
With Captain America, I kind of get the idea that somebody can succeed him. It was basically a role that Steve Rogers was filling.
But Thor in the MCU is just Thor. It's his name, its his identity. It'd be like somebody trying to replace specifically Joe Biden and becoming Joe Biden (female) instead of just becoming the next president
This may be a thing… if a democrat woman wins the next elections, maybe we should all call Joe Biden, with/out Presidentess before it…
It's very easy now to become Joe Biden.
Now I imagine Biden being the new Trump, not president.
It would make so many people lose their minds you'd *almost* want that...
Wait a minute... I see what you did there.
And there's two invisible comments here!
It’s from the comics and not just an idea from the movie.
Credit to Natalie Portman for hitting the gym for the role. But I agree Valkyrie is flawed, especially in the sense that when we meet her she’s basically a slaver.
Yeah regardless of the movie, props to her
Camera angles and CGI do wonders for the female body
@@chucksenhowzen9740 no, she actually want to the gym
Nippalie Portman
Shush, we all know black people can't be slavers.
I actually think the first Thor movie is underrated. I found much to relate to as a step child myself with the relationship between Thor/Loki/Odin.
They really should go back to that and side-step the current B.S.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Absolutely. Lots of people (including the Drinker!) have said the first 2 Thors were too dull, worthy etc. and that Ragnaraok was a breath of fresh air. That's not right. There is lots of humour in the first Thor. The difference is that it was more balanced than Ragnaraok (and didn't kill off beloved characters in the blink of an eye!!!!!!). It wasn't a perfect film but it's my favourite of the Thors. Waika Tahiti is talented but gets too carried away with how funny he thinks he is.
I agree , i thought Kenneth Branagh did a good job with the first two thor movies , he managed to write the relationship between odin , thor and loki in a sort of Shakespearean manner that was new to the MCU , i was actually very interested to see how he would've handled Ragnarok , the thor ragnork movie and the loki show honestly killed my interest for the characters
@@stuartarmstrong5190 yep. I really liked the first two. Ragnarok just ruined the morals of Thor completely just for a cheap laugh, it has it's moments but it's mostly all for a laugh
I have to concur, after living for centuries, how the hell does this guy not know himself? Every time his character grows or evolves at all it keeps getting reset.
Yeah, like he is Eternals.
In the MCU he's suppose to be about 1500 years old.
@@Vejitasei that's still a very long time
@@brox6077 Exactly, it makes no sense that someone that's 1500 years old, the crown prince, ang given his character arc would just hang it all up. But it also didn't make sense for him to become a fat drinker....
Humans can find out who they are in 30 years at least. If Thor can't do the same after 1,500 year, does that make him stupid?
I don't like them bringing Mjölnir back. when it was destroyed that was a really impactful scene, it showed just how powerless Thor was against the goddess of death. retconning it back kind of ruins that pivotal moment in Ragnarok, and also defeats the purpose of creating Stormbreaker and the scene where Groot uses himself to make the handle. idk, I feel like Mjölnir should've stayed broken
Lady Thor is probably a multiverse Thor where the Lady Thor story line already happened
@@rk350z7 you can see the shattered crack marks on the hammer though.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 as far as I know, the lady Thor story is Jane has cancer she finds Mjolnir, maybe she finds Thor's destroyed Mjolnir and it senses she is worthy so it reassembles?
in the comics, I think Fury whispers to Thor "Gorr was right" (don't remember why, though), and Thor stops being worthy or something... not that him stopping being worthy (again, like in the first movie) automatically makes her worthy instead... or Thor, or rather THE Thor (it's his name, not an alias/codename, ffs! It's basically an identity theft)
Fuck in the ideal world they would’ve went with the comic accurate storyline of Rangnarok but hey the movie was ok regardless so I’m fine
I always laugh when I see the reference to "THE MESSAGE" in Drinker's videos. The sad part is that he is always right when he brings that reference.
I agree some of the time, but then it's a bit easy to label everything that reflects those particular values as part of an agenda. It's like making a Hercules movie, and being labeled pushing toxic masculinity. Lol maybe it's just the directors vision.
Yeah but you could say that about anything and it would be equally true. It's kind of a cheap shot tbh
From my understanding not everybody was digging Jane as Thor in the comics . We've seen this pattern far too many times it has become so tiresome and predictable. They always Elevate the women by degrading the men. That's Disney's whole mo and it's become so tired pale and pathetic. Thor is one of the last OG Avengers. Endgame sad to say a destroyed 3 movies 2 crossovers worth of development for Thor. First he turned out as an arrogant douchey prince who started a war, that became a hero and a good man and finally became king only for him to stupidly to give it up to a slaver. Expect Jane to be the bestest ever. All for "the message" and for "girl power"
Yep Disney is the destroyer.
I feel like too many people forget about how Valkyrie sold people into slavery for what could have been thousands of years... 😂
@@thembanitheone I think too many people forget how the guy who was ready to roam the stars in search of a New Asgard after their planet and everything they knew and loved was destroyed decides he's going to quit and give up because he "didn't aim for the head". If I were Taika, I'd be pretty fucking pissed.
@tea when you're stating something as a contrary, you use "Actually," not "literally." "Literally" implies that it's material, instead of factual. I'm telling you this because overall numbers of Lady Thor have never reached the same numbers as Thor: the unworthy, that ran around the same time. And all you've done is make yourself look like the definition of a baffoon.
@tea the comics that sold 1/3rd as many comics as the run before it despite a massive woke media campaign including Oprah Winfrey? Yeah... "popular".
Coming back after watching it. Definitely destruction lol
LOL ACTUALLY?! Ruined man.
@@DavidsSanity yep they ruined his character
The one thing Ragnarok got right was they made Thor COOL. He used his lightning powers A LOT. I remember in an interview Taika even said something like “if you have a main character they should be the coolest part of the movie.” He got that right with Ragnarok. It seems he’s already forgot his own advice now with the sequel.
Ragnarok was awesome but ok
You haven't even seen the movie yet? How tf do you know if he ruined it. Your just taking what the critical drinker said and regurgitating it to make it sound like you actually know what youre talking about
@@YTChannel420 I loved Ragnarok, I just praised it in my comment
@@justanotherguywithoutamust8837 I never said he ruined anything! It’s obvious though by the Jane Foster storyline that Thor will get sidelined. I’m using the comic storyline as reference!
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How tf do you know he didn't ruin it? He's speculating same as you. But if you look at what Marvel/Disney has been doing lately. I'd say he's likely closer to the mark than you. If I had to bet I'd definitely put my $ on "woke pile of sh!t" over "cinematic masterpiece".
I won't put $ on it though. If I ever see any of this movie it will be for free. Doubtful I'll even watch it then. I'll likely let the Drinker suffer for me on this one.
I cried with joy when the MCU launched, realizing my childhood dreams were coming true. A few short years later I can't give a darn anymore. Literally don't care. I have better things to do, like eat gravel.
I couldn't agree more. As an avid reader and collector of silver age comics who had to sit in despair through the 1970s' poor efforts to bring the superheroes to the live action screen (anyone seen the 1978 'Dr Strange' for example?), - I was pleased to have lived to see movie technology finally reaching the point where it could really do the comics justice. Sadly, since sometime around 2017/18 'the message' has ruined the movies (well, any hollywood offering to be more accurate) and I also haven't bothered with any of them since Engame.
Now it's constant wokism jammed down your throat.
@@wraeth7, please don't remind me of Star Wars. That was my first love. What happened with Disney felt like losing a cherished family member. It started my spiral out of pop media.
Amen after endgame I was done, but like every dead frnachise they just keep milking it, makes me respect the DC Batman trilogy that’s miles better than even one of there best mcu movies
@@misterwizardman4309 if i was them i would had ended MCU on Endgame
And then do the multiverse shit(Loki, What If, Wandavision, No Way Home and MoM) and end this universe
But instead they will probably milk it forever
I was truly happy with the X Men and F4 on the hands of Disney back ago but looking now, i just don't want them touching their legacy
I'm wondering how much deception is in the trailer, since the MCU uses a lot of that. That said... I can't stand how Taika Waititi (sp?) has this insistence on clowning Thor.
That's because Waititi is an unrepentant wokist of diversity and humiliating and deconstructing what is essentially a white man's god is a great personal pleasure for him.
@No Body why?
Imagine it turns out to be a movie about Thor and his character development. Natalie Portperson only adding a good female perspective without overtaking him.
Wouldnt that be the biggest plot twist ever
Watched the movie, that's exactly what happens. Jane foster Thor and Valkyrie are both very much supporting characters. Thor is the hero. He's the main guy and has to save both ladies multiple times.
I mean that did happen, the girls weren't overshadwoing thor, and thor got his final little end to wrap his story up, I liked it pretty well.
Yes drinker times are changing. I remember the days when MCU movies were coming out and people were genuinely excited to go see them and follow the over arcing story lines. Now, every show and every movie has zero meaning and zero repercussions other then the heroes we all loved being sent away like losers. After watching falcon and winter soldier, I realized that this new MCU was not made for people like me who want character development and real storylines. At the end of the day marvel gave me 10 years of movies that I will never forget and loved.
Falcon and winter soldier was utter dross
Let's face it: Endgame was the point where people moved on from Marvel. It finished so much, a decade-spanning set of story and charter arcs, some literal characters... Everything Marvel has put out since then just didn't come close to that and it wasn't exactly helped by the increasing amount of 'The Message' included in those movies and series. I love the Marvel franchises and the potential they have, but I am deeply concerned about Disney owning them and the repercussions that has for the quality and desirability of the content that creates.
@@TheSmuey 100% agree...endgame was the perfect ending for the Marvel movies but this next phase has been awful so far
@@TheSmuey nwh came close
@@mr.mentesh8130 spider man no way home and Dr strange multiverse are probably the last marvel movies before it truly embraces the M she U
Honestly I don't care much about Thor anymore, these last movies have thor not being heroic, the hammer choosing who is worth it kinda transform into a meaningless choice
What I think it will break the movie it will be jane foster, first how she will prove she is worth it? Cap showed loyalty, bravery and humbleness what does jane have to show? Will she just tell off thor and the hammer will just go for her? Meh
Rear Jayson Aaron Thor it did not go that way.
Disagree about Ragnorok, they made Thor a joke in his own movie. He literally gets beat by Valkyrie with a little tazer
She was so strong and brave though!
It ain't that deep bro
Ragnarok was gay, and all the "jokes" not delivered by the GENIUS Jeff Goldblum fell flat.
@@vikingkirk762 I found most jokes by jeff the least funny
The mighty god of thunder is no match for the tazer of divertsity!
Christian Bale was fantastic as Gor, Natalie Portman feels less out of place than she had in previous Thor movies and Emma Thompson is a literal goddess walking among men, but this movie was a disappointment. There were some good fight scenes, great special effects and a few funny moments, but the movie was drug down by two things (spoiler alert):
1) Taika is his own worst enemy. The movie was filled with silliness and juvenile humor (even moreso than Thor: Ragnarok), the sort that is more likely to elicit an eye-roll and a groan than a laugh, and bouncing back and forth between the silliness and the efforts at making Gor a truly haunting - and haunted - villain clashed terribly, making it almost impossible to take the film seriously when it wanted you to.
2) I don't think Disney could push the gay thing harder if they wanted to. Korg is gay, Korg's dads were gay, Valkyrie is bisexual, Heimdall's 13 yo kid is a transsexual (complete with a 'dead-naming' lecture) and even Miek is crossdressing... I suspect that there were more than a few parents who brought their children with them to see some light family entertainment and were not at all prepared for the conversations they had to have walking out of the theater (a la Lightyear).
There were some other minor complaints (with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker, we have to watch Thor fight with Zeus' lightning bolt the whole time - a Greek God's weapon which somehow has the power to give anyone, or everyone, have the power of Thor???), but the two above are going to be what ultimately hurts the film. They should have taken out the five or ten dumbest jokes and given us more time with Gor to really set up the tortured soul that finds eventually finds redemption. I think this movie is going to end up being one of Marvel's least successful outings thus far despite all of the stellar talent attached to it.
Also, for those keeping score, we now have a female Thor, a female Loki, a female Captain America, a female Hawkeye and a female Ant-Man with a female Hulk, a female Black Panther and a female Iron Man on the way.
Completely agree i absolutely loves ragnarok its probably my fav mcu movie it had actually good comedy and although I can see why a lot of ppl would find it overbearing I loved it but in a stark contrast I hated love and thunder I never laughed once the whole first act made me want to leave and they made it so damned cartoonish I feel like you could sum up all the problems in this movie by simply saying the target audience was 7 year olds
@@youtubeyoutube943 7 year-olds raised in households with gay activists as parents.
The MCU had a damn good run. Now they’re doing everything to destroy themselves. Thor will be another casualty, not an exception.
Man, Valkyrie was such a rotten piece of shit of a character in Ragnarok. Even when she was nearly blackout drunk she was shown as never failing, always getting the upper hand on the hero and at no point having a moment of humility or regret for all the awful things she's done as _goddamn slave trader._ The only "failure" she's shown having is in her backstory, where she was merely one of the many soldiers falling against a formidable enemy, and the only reason we saw her lose that battle was that the enemy was also a woman. She's all the while arrogant, pretentious and disgusting yet she's instantly forgiven by Thor, never taken to task for all the terrible crimes she's committed against the hundreds, probably thousands of innocent people who indirectly met their death thanks to her. But of course, who better than her to rule a community of exiled people? As a king no less, which means she clearly wasn't chosen by them.
The worst part is that we all know this damn trailer is very likely some bait and switch crap that's going to pretend Thor is the protagonist of the movie while the whole thing is going to be Jane and Valkyrie being best friends/lovers as Thor takes a backseat.
Don't forget she lost to another women. The movie was so "message" that Hela the big bad could not be defeated by the hero, only by a cgi monster.
@@jhonatancock2302 So...the message was that the good guy had to think outside the box to stop the villain?
Wow, what a message...
@@ShadowSonic2 yeah that is the charitable explanation. But this is hollywoke, i don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
@@jhonatancock2302 Nah, I think I'll not bother looking for conspiracies and just enjoy a nice subversion of expectations.
@@ShadowSonic2 How is "I'll send a monster to kill her" anything even resembling "thinking outside the box"? And how does this sort of thing qualify as "subverting expectations"? It's been done in MCU films literally since the first one. Iron Man can't defeat Iron Monger on his own, so he lures him into a giant beam. The Avengers can't defeat the aliens on their own, so they send a missile to their mothership. It's really not a rare situation.
I actually appreciate the first two Thor movies. They set Thor apart from the other "Marvel formula" films precisely because they are stuffier and more serious-toned, which is why his comments are so funny during the first Avengers movie, when he interacts with witty people like Iron Man.
The first Thor movie is actually one of my favorite movies in general. Don’t really know why it’s hated.
Ikr, I could still watch both those movies and enjoy them. They were well made
Its sad that if this was launched today, pretty much it recieve the same reception that eternals recieve
The first Thor movie is GOOFY and melodramatic to the point of cringe. Idk which movie you watched. The second is just pure, monotonous CGI drudge fest.
@@simonbright2975 Agreed. I have seen the first Thor film at least three times, and aside from knowing Thor comes to earth and Jane does “science stuff” - I legitimately couldn’t tell you a single other thing about that film. That’s how bland the writing was. I don’t even remember what the conflict of the film was.
We like what we like, and we all have guilty pleasures when it comes to movies, but objectively - the first Thor film was a train wreck.
Awful movie......I couldn't watch the whole thing through.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I miss the way how 90s and early 2000s movies were made. Pure...entertainment and fun. Meaningful dialog and other things. Kind of miss that.
You not the only one, movies and a lot of video games today are just plain utter trash
@@brianrhodes1987 Now I think its just a competition for who can get the most memes out of a trailer or movie when they come out.
@@brianrhodes1987 Everything Anywhere at all that once is awesome.
There was genuine passion back then to make something good. Now it's all about trying to get pompous critics to give them attention and Oscar bait. And let's not forget woke points lol. It's sad how far we've fallen with tv and movies.
Your comment deserves more likes
As soon as I heard lady thor was in it my expectations crumbled. Also in defense of she hulk, she was pretty good until they decided to push the message
wait until they do trans-Thor!
THE MESSAGE 🥴🏳🌈♿
though it is funny that it took the Disney+ show to finally turn Jen back to a more attractive version than that weird ogre dude that was cosplaying as She-Hulk for far longer than he should've.
I would have LOVED a She Hulk like 15 years ago.
The whole concept of Thor being a mantle is idiotic to begin with. Thor Odinson is his name. Not a superhero title, his friggin name. That's like saying the mantle of Steve Rogers or Tony Stark. If anything, Jane should have just went by her own name.
The big problem with all of phase 4 really seems to be that they're trying to do hand-offs to people who ... haven't been built up. The Falcon getting Cap's shield is the closest they've come to actually trying to do a hand-off with a developed character, and the problem there is that they didn't develop the Falcon as a sidekick to Captain America. They developed him a little with Bucky, but that's not how legacies pass down. Sure, they're friendly, even friends, but they barely did any heroing together. Giving the shield to THOR would've made more sense in terms of emotional and spiritual connection.
I think Tony's daughter being her own heroine with her own origin story has potential, but they haven't explored that, yet. Using her familial connection to her father does give some of the emotional heft; she's continuing the STark story as much as the Iron Man story, and much of her formative experience centers around Tony's presence in and absence from her life. She can rehash "daddy issues" that Tony had to face re: Howard in a different light, and explore living up to a legacy she naturally inherited while making it her own.
Jane Foster... because she's been out of the movies for much of "the good ones," and Thor has had so little interaction with her, there's not a shared connection with the ongoing narrative. ...this is my own bias speaking, here, but I think that what I'd have done if I wanted to hand-off a Thor legacy to a new actor is I'd have stolen from Journey Into Mystery's Kid Loki arc, and gotten as young a sufficiently-talented actor as I could to play Loki reincarnated as a kid. Make Thor take on the big-brother-as-father-figure role to his brother, who is for all practical purposes a new character due to the cleansing amnesia of reincarnation, and who is struggling with his own legacy and a desire to live up to his brother Thor's expectations. Let HIM be the heir if Thor is handing it off. He can be both Loki and Thor's legacy heir into the next phase, maybe even using illusions to be "Thor Jr." or just "Thor" out of a sense that Thor is who he SHOULD be and having to learn that he can be the cunning but good-hearted guile hero, instead of having to be either the villainous Loki or the kind of hero that Thor was.
Lol writers today couldn't come up with a script like ironman 1. No chance nowhere near it
The main advantage of those new movies is they can revive any old character because "multiverse".
Remember this: is a movie is destined to fail, Downey Jr., Evans or Hemsworth are a good nostalgic cash grab.
I just looked up, according to sources, Jane didn't get snapped out of existence. So then what was she doing for those 5 years, because it sure wasn't helping put the universe or even Thor's life back together? She wasn't helping trying to track down Thanos. She wasn't mentioned as leading the rebuilding efforts. For essentially a decade in the MCU she was living off the luck that Thor fell in her lap. If this isn't an alternate universe Jane, there's no way she can be worthy. except she has the vagina.
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Given the fact they knew her actress wasn't around to play the role, it's a bizarre choice to have her explicitly NOT snapped. Being snapped would've been a convenient way to explain her absence, at least a little, at least for a time.
Tony's daughter is a DOA storyline. He died before she was even out of diapers, she won't remember him.
The message from Marvel these days is that identity doesn't matter. Any character can be any other character. No one is special or unique, because they can all be replaced by someone identical, or even superior.
They also love the notion that everything is a "mantle". Whereas Spider-Man used to be the superhero *identity* of Peter Parker, he is now just a placeholder. He has the mantle for now, but it can and will be passed along.
The worst is Thor, however, because Jane didn't "adopt the name" of Thor and didn't become Lady Thor. She actually *became* Thor (according to marvel and several fans) though I am not sure how that is supposed to work, since it's his actual birth name and not just a title.
Back in the 90s, they pulled stuff like this for like a year before fans had enough and they brought back the originals. Now these new characters have to stay to support _the message_
It's a punchline to a old joke, isn't it? She became Thor when he pounded her with his hammer. She was so Thor she could barely walk!
Everytime Thor shows up in any movie:
"Am I worthy still?"
*Sticks arm out*
*Audience rolls eyes*
Every movie? It happened in Thor 1, Avengers 1, Avengers 4. He didn't do it in Thor 2, AOU, Ragnarok or IW.
Me: "You're the strongest avenger. With, or without hammer. So..Shaddup."
Wrong, my friend. Some of us squeal in delight and picture flying to that arm faster than Mjolnir.😊
Nah, Thor is just cheap eye candy for girls and gay men because we're still not going to acknowledge the sexual objectification of men. He's the poster boy for feminist double standards, and Hemsworth is always happy to play to that.
@@mallios13 He's just eye candy? So, what was he in Endgame then?
Natalie "Portperson" will never fail to make me laugh!!
Thor's character peaked at "Bring Me Thanos!!"
I hated fat Thor in Endgame, such a teardown to a great character.
the beginning of the end .
Made him fat/depressed to make him weaker, he was to strong :/ shitty writing
It was good for a one-off, but to have him like that through the entire movie? Like a really long fat-joke..
Especially with the new news from directors that he could've lost it asap, because of his Asgardian blood... (He works out, but shapes up faster than any of us normies)
@@reviewwithyou2 Yeah some of the fat jokes were horribly done, it could've been handled better. But I still argue that Fat Thor is a better attempt at seeing someone cope with depression and PTSD than they have done before. Sure, he could've slimmed up and dropped the weight, but he didn't feel deserving or worthy after failing to kill Thanos the first time. He gets panic attacks and doubts himself more than anyone else. The man becomes a walking example of self-hatred, pity, and hopelessness. The absolute look of joy in his eyes when he calls Mjolnir back and it answers really hammers it home (pun intended). He's. Still. Worthy.
It would've been cheap to have him go back to "normal" and pretend his mental issues are gone. That's like telling someone who's had a depressive episode to "just feel better" and thinking it works.
I hope Drinker's idea for a script is right, cause it would make sense for him to try and leave it all behind, only to learn that now is the best time to take back the mantle of Thor Odinson, rather than bailing and giving it to Jane.
Tl;Dr -- Fat Thor was a solid representation of depression and PTSD, and Drinker has a good idea.
I'm saddened to say as a marvel fan that the glory days of the MCU died with endgame. In the past they cared more about stories, character arcs and staying true to the characters, now of days it's nothing but woke agendas like pushing LGBT, feminism, gender and race swapping. For the love of Mike why can't we have good strong intelligent male leads anymore also why do they have to keep changing characters race just bring in a character that's already African American and stop changing the orgins of other's same can go for gender swapping. At this point it breaks my heart to see marvel going in this direction as a fan and if they continue this path I will no longer follow along. I just hate how they're replacing every good lead male with a woman and they treat the ladies like if they're superior. I'm a woman myself and I honestly think men are stronger I just want a movie without the feminist trash.
I'm waiting on them passing the mantle of The Black Panther on to a chubby white homosexual latino. It could be played by Jack Black in his Nocho Libre persona.
Is it wrong that I've gotten to the point lately that I really just want to see the MCU come to a complete and total end?
I told myself Endgame was the end of MCU--only movie before Endgame I didn't watch was Captain Marvel. I've only seen the first season of Loki since, and that was a bit of a disappointment. I've been watching Critical Drinker instead of the actual recent MCU movies/series as it's more enjoyable.
@@66bub the MCU peaked at Infinity War, (despite the disastrous outlier of Crapstain Marvel just to prop in that trash character for Endgame, I streamed it for free illegally and still felt ripped off). Endgame was a poor movie full of cop-outs and coincidences, and the Spider-Man trilogy didn’t do anything to push the MCU forward (despite it collectively being a solid trilogy of films peaking with No Way Home).
As far as I am concerned the MCU ended after Endgame and anything since are standalone movies just there to feed onto any scraps of hype remaining. Feige hasn’t even linked a new collective storyline linking towards Victor Doom or Galactus yet.
I haven't seen a Marvel movie since Endgame (besides NWH for Spider-Man completion). I'm just so goddamn done with the MCU at this point; none of their upcoming projects look cool or interesting and I'm tired as hell of having all these mediocre, generic corporate products shoved down our throats en masse every year. Hopefully, the more bloated the MCU becomes, the sooner it'll collapse under its own weight. I do believe it's actively ruining cinema.
@tea imagine caring about marvel movies lol what are you 12
Being that this won't be Hemsworth's last appearance as Thor (at least according to what I've heard) I'm getting the feeling that this "Journey of Self Discovery" is going to lead to a much needed slap in the face for Thor that will indeed wake him up into realizing he *can't* just give up his role like he wants to.
As you basically already mentioned of course, but still. I *really* hope that's the direction they're going with this.
With Gorr the God Butcher making an appearance, that *should* be the logical conclusion but... well, we'll see.
The tone of God Butcher does not match the tone of this movie so I expect a very half assed version of God Butcher. Basically this movie will be to God Butcher the same way Planet Hulk was to Ragnarok but a little worse.
I think people are ignoring the character development Thor went through in Ragnarok, IW, and Endgame, he already realised he doesnt want to rule Asgard or be the god of thunder, he wants to discover who he really is, and from what we saw in the trailer, this movie starts with him realising he is not a "guardian of the galaxy" either...I think his journey will end with him just living a mortal life on Earth.
@@Jose-se9pu "Discover who he is"
What else is there to "discover" exact? He's lived for centuries. He's been the slacker dude-bro, mighty warrior, a slave, a king, regular dude, and a hero. About the only thing left would be some mundane job, but even that will get old.
He's going to be a Guardian, which is a huge waste of Thor, since he'll barely do that.
It almost sounds like instead of going with the Guardians he should've hung out with Spider-man so he could learn about "great power" and "great responsibility"
I hope Gorr kills Valk.
I have never liked her character and I don’t even like her as an actress.
I very much hope that's the case, but even if it is, that makes this chapter just a slightly different version of the story of Thor 1.
The MCU has a history of giving us good character development then resetting it all and flushing it down the toilet. Honestly it's one of the main reason's I've mostly checked out of the MCU at this point. They keep walking back all the best character development. It's not the only reason I checked out but it's one of them.
They should have ended everything with Endgame, but noooo…. The pretentious nerds and normies that don’t care about continuity and just want see good guy beat bad guy once again won’t let it die.
That's the point. They get you emotionally invested, then they push the liberal propaganda. The goal is social control, not entertainment.
Honestly i thought even endgame was mediocre but it was a good way to end the characters stories (except steve rogers what they did to him was just shit) , i personally would've liked if phase 4 wasn't based on sabotaging the old characters by bringing new "more superior" characters to defeat them
Complete disaster
Drinker's two throwaway lines of what this movie could be gave me tingles. I went from having no idea how this movie could be any good, to hoping we miraculously get that plot instead of the obvious one.
don't hold your breath
Yes, he threw that away like it was only a partial thought.
I definitly wouldn't get your hopes up based on anything the drinker speculated on. If you think the nitwits in charge of these movies have even a tenth of the self awareness and creativity of the drinker, you are sadly mistaken.
I had no idea people were so cynical about this movie. We're getting one of the most, if not the most, badass Thor villains in Gorr the God Butcher, played by Christian Bale. We've literally only gotten a teaser trailer so far
@@ChildishGambeaner the M-She-U has a recent track record of suck
Wasn't the "adventure of self-discovery" the first movie? Shouldn't the next step be self-actualisation, as the good and fair ruler of Asgard his father wanted him to be?
Also I'm glad people are finally starting to realise what an insufferably smug prick Tessa Thompson always comes off as. I've hated this woman ever since Veronica Mars.
Oh, and that helmet looks fucking awful on Natalie.
EVER SINCE
Couldn’t agree more she does my head in, can’t watch a film with her in it. Men in black international was fucking terrible which a big part was down to her.
@i bought Elon I´ll never get tired of report you, scammer.
Disagree on Natalie, but you are point that Thor's arc was all over the place.
As much as I like Endgame, the movie set Thor's development back to square one. I prefer the hypothetical route where instead of becoming an overweight sad clown who lost his confidence from a series of losses, Thor could've become aloof, stern, no-nonsense, and violently protective of his people because it was all he had left. The next arc would be Thor facing his darker traits and become a wise and benevolent king of Asgard.
You mean the first movie when everything was still around? I think the self discovery angle still works here given how Thor's status quo at the end of the first movie has slowly crumbled since 2013. The reason why Thor isn't ruling is because he doesn't want to rule like he hasn't since the end of the first movie.
Even if Thor Love and Thunder is great, the fact remains that everything ends. The MCU can’t stay good for forever, nothing can. I’m not praying for it’s downfall or anything. A lot of people feed their families with the money these movies make. But for me, I’ve lost interest with the whole thing after Endgame.
They probably won't reach such highs again, but they'll survive if they tone it down and make quality over quantity.
If they build up to secret wars(a version of god emperor doom) just as they did with infinity war then they can definitely still be good
Kind of where Im at. I loved pretty much all of the MCU movies up to and including phase 3. But looking back now I can see that I was caught up in it all and about half of them either arent really needed or arent that good.
I dont see them making more hits than flops, they are certainly off to a bad start in phase 4 and without me having any comic book knowledge it seems like they have already told their best story.
Idk if marvel will ever go out of popularity. They pretty much have a cult following that will watch anything they put out.
I agree. I think there needs to be an end to the heroes like RDJ and Chris Evans have had. Even if Chris wants to keep doing more Thor movies, the character needs to have an arc when he’s now apart of so many damn films.
I really wanted to enjoy this movie but I couldn't. A full cinema was quiet the whole movie so I guess I'm not alone in this. The pacing was terrible. The writing generally dreadful. Thor alternates between utter stupidity and calous disregard. There are brief moments of genius but they are too few and too far between to have any love for this film. Sadly 2 stars at best.
i commented pretty much this exact same thing on another video and was getting so much hate for it. i genuinely think this film is awful and i’m a massive marvel fanboy. i was getting hate for being so invested in a marvel film and letting the fact that it’s bad upset me, but when you’ve growing up with these marvel films you can’t help but feel let down by the direction that they’re going in
@@horrocks984 I really liked it, the only complaint was the amount of jokes but I think the ending kinda made it up for me, just everything before the end was kinda rushed but for me personally I kinda teared up towards the end and I think it was a good way for Thor to go, he's gonna come back obvs but personally I kinda like him being a father figure and helping someone else be inspired into their story. Again everything leading up to it and the amounts of jokes were kinda the problem but I really liked it, and I understand why you didn't
it's all subjective but yeah i quite like this one
@@SHOW_Films i guess to me the ending just doesn’t feel earned. all of a sudden he just has a daughter, and yeah i know jane had to die in order for that to happen but when they’re throwing out jokes 99% of the time i didn’t really care for what happened to jane. that’s why i was so surprised when he’s revealed to be now raising gorr’s revived daughter. i don’t not like that direction they’re taking it in, it’s cool i guess, just wish they did it in a different and less joking way
Odins enchantment is " Whosoever hold this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". Gore kills Gods, Jane Foster isn't a God so Gore won't be able to kill her. You know she will defeat Gore to save Thor. It takes 3 Thors to defeat Gore in comics, but guaranteed it will only take Jane with the help of Valkyrie in the movie.
i hate the fact i can see this happening..
Tbh, i wouldn't be surprise if it's actually happen
Yup, 100% they are going to Eowyn "I am no man" their way to the end credits, it'll be hailed as stunning and brave and a world 1st for cinema.
The last part doesn't make sense. Just Because Gorr is nicknamed God Butcher doesn't mean he can't kill humans it just means he Can kill Gods,while you know most people Can't. Just like Kratos from God of war nobody said he can't kill other beings but killing God's is what's unique about him
Jane might identify as He though?
I stopped after Endgame and will now always remember the MCU with fond memories. I stopped Dr. Who after one season of Matt Smith and likewise. Marvel comic? Quit around 2010. Star Trek at Nemesis
Sadly, I only recently gave up on Star Wars. Much bitterness there.
You got to know when to walk away
. Otherwise you will live long enough to watch everything you love be destroyed in a slow cruel death.
"You got to know when to walk away"
Except Spider-Man: No Way Home is not only the best MCU Spider-Man movie, but very possibly the best live-action Spider-Man movie ever made.
The MCU clearly still has some great potential, so to just immediately give up on it after Endgame really isn't the best move.
I stopped buying comics with Siege (early 2010). That was the last great saga. What came afterwards was terrible, bought a few comics then just stopped wasting my money on them (even gave them away so as to not pollute my collection).
I've been moving away from Hollywood and thoroughly enjoying anime. No social messaging in most anime. Naruto is awesome.
Will I watch this movie in cinema?
No.
Will I watch this movie at home?
Also no.
Will I wait on Drinkers review and Ryans Pitch meeting?
HELL YES!
waiting for pitch meetings is *tight*
@@diersteinjulien6773 Super easy, barely an Inconvenience!
wow, wow, wow, wow, WOW!
@@dominus_ignaviae Wonder if Drinker knows who Ryan is? Would love to see a collaboration between two.
@@Wenturi IKR! I think Drinker does know about Ryan, it would be so cool if he got Ryan on one of his open bars or something!🤩
It just makes everything so worthless The first Thor .. Thor is the son of Odin living in the magical regal city of Asgard … nope Jane can be Thor too… everyone CAN BE THOR nothing is serious in the MCU
Jane dies because she quite literally can't handle the power of being Thor. Everytime she picks up the hammer it's slowly killing her, and in the end it does. And Thor gets mjolnir back.
Chris is a great Thor and a likeable character, but all of the Thor movies were extremely forgettable.
"all"?
Ragnarok was fucking awesome
It’s like they don’t what the fuck they’re going to do with Thor’s character at this point
@@adi_cs03 I disagree, I found it the most insufferable of the 3. I never laughed, nor I was satisfied with the progression of the film. It can be summarized with ''forgettable''.
@@adi_cs03 Yeah it was one of the most entertaining movies of the mcu for me. Sure, it's humor..but are superheroes even such a serious topic to begin with?
Hollywood does not seem to have the creativity to pull the populace out from superhero fatigue.
"Regressing instead of developing" has been an overall consensus for years now. We're Beyond tired of the bait and switch, Beyond tired of the message and Beyond tired of giving chance after chance for these Studios to ruin our favorite childhood IPs. As always the drinker sums it up perfectly, just take them and "go away now"
Childhood IPs!? How old are you???
It isn't "superhero" fatigue. It's "shit movie" fatigue.
@@hehhehheh4588 goodenough point
5:55 ending predicted
After your "After Hours" session I think it's definitely Destruction
I missed the After Hours stream, what did the Drinker uncover?
I have the feeling this might be a bait n switch where Thor goes through the movie just to be like “I’m not worthy to be Thor” and gives his mantle to the lady, and he gets overshadowed by all the characters especially the lady characters.
Taika, you can’t mess Thor up in this!
Literally most modern movies nowadays, anyone who has watched many movies in the past can smell this pattern way before this
I think the MCU for the most part hasn't really followed that trend from modern Hollywood with maybe the exception of Loki. But even then I may get some flack for saying this it does kind of make sense there given how Sylvia has more experience with what is going on and Loki is new to everything like we were. Plus there is an actual story in it and the show isn't overtly sexist like a lot of modern movies and shows are.
@@fr0ck360 Wasn't this what many said about Spider-Man NWH as well though when the first teaser came out?... Being cautious is good, but I think you guys are overexaggerating a bit. I'll hold my judgment till I see more, especially from an official trailer and not a teaser.
Watch him.
he won't... he's too good at this shit.
I hope Thor learns that he needs to accept his responsibilities with his newfound wisdom.
again.
For the 4th fucking time in his own franchise and probably 15th time in the whole Cinematic Universe.
And her kid
His character arc was so good it became character circle, as if nothing ever happened.
@@nont18411 Multiple circles, if you think about it.
I honestly thought there should have been a post credits scene in Infinity War where Thor finds out Jane and Erik Selvig were snapped. Perhaps have Darcy tell him. It would have given his PTSD more realism and made his surprise to see her back more believable.
i LOVED Thor 1, didn't even mind Thor 2. they were a bit cliche but they leaned into the mythology, the aesthetic, the heroism, struck the right balance between seriousness and comedy. actually didn't like Ragnarok much at all - i hated how much it relied on cringey teen-level 'humour' which has now become a staple for Marvel movies and often clowned on. Love and Thunder is going to be much, much worse.
Thor (2011) is the GOAT!!! Way, way better than Ragnarok.
Same view here. Ragnarok kinda pissed me off - the entire movie treats Thor and Loki as jokes. For a movie where Thor literally loses his father and his planet, it has way too much humour and it's cringe level
@@savioblanc I agree 100% ! Glad I found some peoples who liked the previous; Thor movies.
They get put down alot.
The old ones get,
compared to the more recent content.
Part of what made the first Thor so good is there was a meaningful story. This privileged son of the king has to be humbled by his father and learn to value others over himself. It was honestly a well done story. It lacked a lot of the flashiness of later films but I think that’s a good thing. One of the better marvel stories honestly
Ragnarok was a good fun movie .....it was just a horrible Thor movie.
I mean... I get the whole self discovery thing BECAUSE of what he's been through, especially lately.
He's been to Earth, joined the Avengers, worked with them for 15+ years, had his entire family die, civilisation almost wiped out, then went against Thanos and lost, then went against him again and lost Iron Man, Cap and Black Widow.
So... Maybe taking a break to "find" yourself after all that makes sense. Lol
Pretty much this. Drinker is right in that Thor was going on the MC growth journey through all the films but he forgot one very critical point - Thor's arc fails at the final step. "You should have gone for the head" was the very moment his hero's journey crashed and burned. Hence Fat Thor. This new self discovery path is about him coming out of them. It's essentially what happens when a person loses their business, falls into depression, and then gets on the wagon to put their life back together again.
Of course, this doesn't mean L+T will do this justice, but the concept itself makes sense.
"Self discovery" has been Thor's entire plot in all of his solo movies that I've seen. Thor 1, Ragnarok and now this one. Only reason I'm not speaking on Dark World is because I haven't seen it
Thor has been alive for 1,000 years. Everything you just listed off took place within the last 10 years of his life.
If he needs to “rediscover” himself because 1% of his life was a rollercoaster - then he’s an idiot.
To put this in perspective, everything that has happened to Thor in the MCU took less time out of his life than the first year of the life of a 100 year old man.
That’s a solid “no”.
@@drawmelikeafrenchgirl Given how a year's events are capable of sending someone into a major depression that could utterly derail their entire life for decades, I'm going to say you didn't really think your point through.
@@morlath4767 Unfortunately for you, I did. See you seem to be under some kind of impression that Thor sat on his thumbs for 1000 years up until the events of the infinity stones - which is false. The list of what we’d call “traumatic experiences” Thor experienced up to that point is entirely too long to even attempt to go through here - you’re welcome to read all about his background and adventures on your own - but the idea that he witnessed or suffered anything within such a short span of time - that he didn’t already cause or go through within the previous millennium (he’s actually 1500 years old, but it doesn’t even matter) is so egregiously asinine I’m actually baffled that you’d try to make an argument for the 1% vs 99% as a “good faith” explanation for his “depression”.
No. It was bad character development. Full stop, brother.
To accentuate the failure of Black widow, Thor will be a guest star in his own titled movie.
Yes he will be another Hawkeye or Loki.
remember the old times when RDJ was in the MCU
Movie executive:
"I know! Let's make Thor gay this time!"
Boardroom toadies:
"Great idea!"
Ticket buying audience:
"Uh, no thanks."
If I'm remembering what I learned in history class is correct for the Norse of the Viking era to even suggest another man might be gay was a good way of committing suicide as that was one of the biggest Insults you could give, and they would kill you for doing so.
that said Thor would be in a murderous rampage moreso than normal for him
he literally kisses a woman in the trailer
“but let’s put him kissing a woman in the trailer” you make no sense
homophobic buying audience*
anyone with two braincells wouldnt care for a 5 second clip of thor being hinted as bisexual.
@@user-zt8qe5hp1p Some people have a higher standard than hedonistic lifestyles contrary to Aristotelian natural law.
I disagree about Thor 1. Thor 1 is basically superhero Shakespeare. It's really a poetic, beautiful movie about learning humility and earning a father's approval. Still one of the best Marvel movies.
The biggest problem with Thor is that he comes with Responsibilities he cannot avoid. This is something that our current culture is working very, VERY hard to eliminate from our world - no more Hereditary Titles, no more Sons following their Fathers into Trades, no more Generations of one family running one business, etc. Our fates are not set by our birth, but by our actions - that's the world we're trying to create. Hollywood chief among the culture-weavers.
(and yes, this is utterly and entirely hypocritical as they also want to collectivize the responsibilities of the past onto the people living today who have no connection to those past actions)
Thor is a demi-God, which he gained by virtue of Birth and can't get rid of. He is the son of the King in a society in which power is inherited via Birth, so Thor WILL be King unless he's deposed or relinquishes power - and even then, as long as he's alive he's a threat to whoever takes that power because many will see him as the "legitimate" and "rightful" ruler, so will try to put him back in there whether he wants it or not. Thor HAS to be a Leader. He HAS to be in command. He HAS to live up to being a God and a King.
But that's not something we want as a culture in 2022. In 2012, we accepted it. We might have felt a twang of pity for Thor, who has infinitely more power than us, but no true Freedom, but we accepted that his story arc was him learning how to be a better Leader and King. This is what makes Thor's 1 and 2 better movies for THOR than Ragnorak - which was hilarious and I loved it, but in retrospect it's not a good movie for Thor. It COULD have been, and we kinda sorta maybe got some minor developments in that direction, but they were all undone by Endgame.
And now we have a character who is untethered to a character arc, and it just looks... bland.
Well said
i loved reading this 🙌
Wow i feel old cuz i watched the first thor at cinemas. Thor was in 2012 and in 2022
Bro the message kills me every time lmao
Total destruction, no questions asked. We’ve seen this happen many times before and it all didn’t end well
@yea no it’s really not
Like when?
Yea MCU has been okay to average lately but destruction?? Over many times??! Talking as if its CW DC tv shows…
I'm putting money on "Destruction"
The whole message that I took from Thor's charector arec was even if you have nothing left, even if your greatest strength (mjlonir) is taken away from you, even if you are alone in the bitterness, you can always prove to be more than worthy for the position that was always rightfully yours. Now out of the blue, they suddenly decided that Thor needs to go through a "discovery" phase and "come out" as ga... sorry unworthy. Nice work MCU
I get that. That is what the comics helped me to see when I was younger.
Did they extra blue his eyes or something just to drive that point home? Glad I'm not the only one seeing him come out of the asgardian closet.
So thats what the staring in Star Lords eyes moment was. I was thinking 'Why is he doing that?'. It seemed out of character as he disrespected him in previous movies. He is looking for a man to "love"....
@@samson6707 Even with Taika as director I still fear for this film with woke shit being pushed by Disney executives.
Thor had failed in saving the universe in Infinity War. Fell into a deep depression for 5 years and only got his second later and even then he didn't properly save everyone. He was too out of it to be allowed to snap everyone back so Hulk did it, and Tony was the one to snap away Thanos.
He lost half of the Asgardians in the ship *under his rule* and decided he was unfit to rule. Now if he isn't king, as was his destiny, then what is he. Who is he? That's why he's going on this journey.
"Thor goes on a journey of self discovery" is pretty fucking shit when you consider that was his origin story. The guy goes hundreds of years acting like a prick, then suddenly Odin gets a wild hair up his ass and decides to humble Thor. Why? Because Thor attacked guys Marvel's take on Aesir (Oh, I'm sorry, "Asgardians," because we're all five-year-olds who can't use proper terminology) were already prone to attacking.
Then we get that again with Ragnarok, where he rediscovers his true power after losing his prosthetic hand phallus.
Then we get that again with Infinity War/Endgame, where he's coping with mounting losses and not killing Thanos properly, but at least he gets a bigger hand phallus.
Now we're getting it again with this, and his sort-of love interest nobody cared about gets his original hand phallus reassembled.
It's amazing how many times you have to turn your life around in one decade after so many centuries of never needing to worry about it.
Honestly, this movie would be amazing if it involved the deaths of both Jane and Valkyrie, because nothing else about them would be interesting. Unfortunately, it's another Taika Watiti piece, and even anti-woke people are prone to giving him excuses because he makes sure to include a few puerile giggles into his movies. So that guy's gonna continue riding the woke train of Hollywood because he's a convenient blend of two ethnic groups that gives him a free pass, while hailing from Hollywood's favorite playground the past couple decades.
But from what I've been hearing, this movie has been a nightmare behind the scenes and they're hurrying to fix things, so I can't wait to see what that'll be.
As a mixed race person myself, I strongly agree. Waititi has been on a downward spiral of quality and no one seems to hold him accountable on account of the aforementioned reasons.
@@ManSeekingMeaning maybe cause most people disagree with you 🤔
Cry harder
@@tyr573 By "cry harder" do you mean "keep speaking the truth?" Because that's exactly what they're saying.
@@ManSeekingMeaning Jojo rabbit is one of his most recent films and is literally the best he's ever made. How is it a downward spiral?
Let’s face it. Tessa is going ‘swagger’ through the story “carrying the message” while wiping her feet all over the legacy of “THOR!” I’m taking a pass on this predicable woke fest. But, I will be looking forward to The Drinker’s review.
This movie's mission statement even when it first went into preproduction was that it would be about "King" Valkyrie finding her queen, to which Jamie Alexander wanted to return so that queen would be Sif. Y'know, who is supposed to be Thor's wife.
So yeah, this whole movie is a pile of woke puke. If we're lucky, it'll bomb. But it's a Marvel movie, and it's not one of the new titles, so it'll probably succeed.
I loved the first Kenneth Branagh Thor film. I thought the story made sense and set the stage for a good character evolution. The second film was not thought out well enough. However, I did not like the comedic turn in Thor: Ragnarok. The sharp turn to Thor as stand-up comedian seemed odd and out of place. Fat Thor was an ill-conceived conceptualization of a perfectly good idea--that Thor would come out of infinity War completely lost, depressed, and disconnected from reality makes total sense. However, turning that concept into a joke with the fat suit only made his struggles seem like a joke. In the words of Tony Stark, "not a great plan." But, that's just me. I know a lot of people like Fat Thor and Ragnarok.
I kinda agree with you. I loved the first two. Take's comedic turn seemed weird to me too!
I agree about KB's Thor, especially since it was written by JMS. I also agree that Ragnarok was a bit too slapsticky and comical They turned Thor into Gimli from LOTR, the butt of all the jokes and just comic relief with very little agency. For Thor to turn over rule of Asgard to a drunkard slaver who defied her oath as a Valkyrie was a (tm pending) Very Bad Move.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 No you were not. Ragnarok had some pretty good scenes and Cate Blanchett was awesome. But most of the film was cringeworthy.
Systematic destruction of the underlying mythos of an entire civilization in progress. The Thor movies exemplify the method. Create the Hero. Show his weakness. Amplify his flaws. Make him a laughingstock. Replace him with a "Neohero" that conveys the ideals of the New Way. Welcome to Instructive Entertainment.
Well I for one agree with you! They turned the destruction of Asgard into a joke. I also wouldn’t have had Mjolnir get destroyed by Hela, that would have been Thanos with the Power Gem at the start of Infinity War.
"Thor going on a journey to 'find himself'." Sounds exactly like what all SJWs want real men to be like. Lost, purposeless, subservient.
Just like what Jerry Springer, and Maury Povich want animators to end up like. Lost, purples, and subservient.
She hasn’t been in a marvel movie except endgame since Thor 2 like 7 years ago and they want us to care about her?? What?
There were 5 white males on the original Avengers team. The ones that are still alive have ALL been replaced by POC and/or women. Just a coincidence I’m sure.
Lol Billy and Tommy aren’t white? Adam warlock isn’t white? Not to forget Nova, who will probably be white as well. I don’t get this concern. Like why does it bother you so much?
Pretty much all the young avengers will be white, except one.
How did we get to a point where people are getting angry at comic book movies. These are movies about grown ass people flying around in capes and genocidal purple grape space people killing half of all mankind.
@@Matt-fh4bk The Avengers in the original film were Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.
I liked the first Thor. I thought it was a pretty good take on the story, and given that it was one of the first MCU films, it did a good job bringing some weight to the series. Back then, comic book films were still relatively untested. Other than the Nolan films, comic book movies were a very mixed bag, and most of them were crap.
I have no memory of the second Thor movie, but I know I watched it. Must've been dull.
Ragnorok was a joke. What should have been a very series, emotional film was nothing but slapstick and goofy set pieces. In no reality does that Jeff Goldblum character rule over anything other than a comedy night club with a 2 drink minimum. Seriously, that's one of the main antagonists??
I was okay with fat Thor only in that it really showed how devastating a defeat it was in Infinity War. We don't need these guys to be immutable. It's fine if they hit low points.
Now that we're in the M-She-U, I have zero interest. The story ended with ... well, Endgame. That's a natural finishing point and I don't care what happens after that. Besides, I've got other things to do with my time than watch the woketivists erode what had been a pretty good story.
Well said. These guys who like radnocock are delusional and the woke shit is pathetic
I watched the second film a few times still can't remember much about it.
I’ve loved all the Thor movies, even dark world. Ragnarok wasn’t a joke in my opinion, and was quite good with its characterization. The shift in aesthetic was weird but it was a great film in spite of that
I disliked that the Grandmaster was made out to be some complete weakling. He's a fucking elder of the universe, he deserves some respect at the very least.
I agree on everything except aboit the grandmaster (jeff Goldblum) in thor ragnarök. He was so funny, made you forget valkyrie sometimes