I think it is the modern speak and some of the modern jokes that turn people off. I think it is good but I get were people are coming from if they say they don't like it.
The theme in this movie is so strong considering it's a Disney movie. The major twist near the end having Koda's mom be the bear Kenai killed at the beginning made it very dark and as a kid I just didn't realize this. I still love this movie, but now I love it even more.
I knew what happened, I just didn't see how dark it was until I got older. I was just all "Oh no!" and then it's like you process it and you go "Oh no..." xD
Auron530 it's one of those great moments where....disney takes a chance on something we don't see too often, usually so fomulic...but wow that part was just..powerful hehe.
I wonder what the adults watching the movie were thinking at that time. I reckon most of them would just think "Oh it's just a Disney movie." If I had been an adult during the time I watched the movie for the first time I feel as though my emotions would've been much stronger. I'm kind of a sucker for these kind of moments, haha.
Auron530 Yeah :> I know it effected me alot :> But disney some times gets away with it :> Look at Frozen last year, and lego movie this year they were partly on...
Not gonna lie fellas, the scene where Kenai shapes his pawprint into a handprint gets me every time. It's almost as if he's acknowledging to the spirits and to himself that he is the monster, not bears. Koda described man as being monsters, while Kenai described bears as monsters. Koda is familiar with bears and trusts them, and we see Kenai acknowledging this by turning a bear paw, a symbol of the creatures that Koda trusts, into a handprint, a symbol of the monsters that took his mother away from him.
ok i can understand why disney replaced with this scene with the depressing phil Collins because this version is even more upsetting and depressing then the film version and there is way too little comedy in this film
I love both versions of this scene. They both have their merits. I LOVE hearing the characters talk about their struggles and feelings. And it's really gripping how Kenai's voice breaks a few times. He's hurting so bad and he hates himself. Beautiful. But the final version is just as gripping to me. People say it's cheesy. But I've always taken that scene seriously. The song is beautiful and powerful and it definitely tells us what we need to know about how Kenai is feeling. Which is just as good as him telling Koda and the audience. And the way the music builds and builds until Koda runs away heartbroken. That has always made me cry. You can feel the little guy's pain. You can feel it in this one too of course. But the movie version is most definitely worthy of praise.
Much prefer this version. Bigger impact. I get the feeling Disney made the call to water it down because it was out of place from the mood of the rest of the movie. The rest of the movie takes a very lighthearted tone despite the deep conflicts.
I don't personally see it as that out of place. When Sitka died in the first act, there was no sugar coating it. He was dead, and it was made clear, and the moment was sad and mournful. It seems an odd choice to tone it down when it felt like the film wasen't above delving into the reality of things. That said, I feel like the film could definitely have benefited from this scene over the original cut.
Wow... That's weird. Don't get me wrong, it's your opinion, but I rarely meet someone who dislike Phil Collins. I mean, for me, personnally, he's in my top 3 best singer ever.
I like the Phil Collins song, but this is what they should have done. This is absolutely heart-breaking. Pheoenix's acting is on point; you can just feel Kenai's torment. That one bit where Koda says "like a brother!" and hugs him, and the pained look on Kenai's face, and how he just spits out his confession and you can sense his remorse oh WHY DISNEY. This could have been a Lion King moment, like when Kenai finds out the truth himself, but you added ALL THE CHEESE. I love Brother Bear, I personally find it very underrated and it's one of my favourite Disney movies - heck, one of my favourite animated films! It may not be as strong as BatB or TLK, it is flawed in parts, but it's so beautiful and funny, with gorgeous animation and a lovely message. However, they should have kept this scene Phil free!
I am in total agreement. just to add one more scene i think which could have elevated the film into greatness. i think there should have been an actual scene in the film where koda forgives kenai. except it's never addressed again the fact that kenai killed koda's mother. koda just kind of forgets about it, and after hearing rutt and tuke make up which is played more for comic relief, koda just goes to find kenai like all is well and forgotten. i feel there should have been a serious, emotional scene between the two where koda forgives kenai, it would have made for a really powerful scene with the two embracing, or however you'd want to do it. but something along those lines, would have really cemented koda and kenai's brotherhood.
i am glad they got rid of this it would be even more upsetting and make children cry even more and even though i do not like bears that much its turning koda into a teddy bear bambi ripoff
If Brother Bear ran with this original version of Kenai's confession instead of Phil Collins's song being played over it and maybe trying to do away with all the modern-speak and modern jokes (like "pinky swear" and "totaling a mammoth"), this movie would probably be a much better one, and probably one of my personal all-time favorites.
What a powerful scene. Given the regret in Kenai's voice, it feels like Joaquin Phoenix was flashing back to when he lost his older brother, River Phoenix.
This is how it SHOULD have been done in the first place. The final cut that involved them playing the song OVER Kenai’s confession was the people behind this movie taking the coward’s way out.
People don't hate the actual song, they just hate the fact where the song was place and that it covered the actual scene. Because they didn't get to know what Kenai was saying.
I don't hate the song. It's just that the final ver of the scene wasn't exactly as impactful as the deleted scene. I mean I understand why the directors made the choice considering we did saw the reveal during Koda's story so we already know that Kenai killed Koda's mother.
Personally I believe that this scene is better with the song being played in the background. We don't need to know exactly what kenai said to koda. That can be left to our own imaginations, possibly making it even more emotional. Besides, I think the song by Phil Collins does a great job of capturing the emotion of the scene.
+Kalem Page except it ISN'T left to our imaginations, the phil collins song told us EVERYTHING in such an obvious and unsubtle way. i agree a wordless scene would've been WAY better, but like... with orchestral, wordless music, not phil collins blaring out his sadness over what's happening.
Kalem Page I agree but the song hints towards what he is saying to koda. It tells us how much he is angry with himself and would do anything to go back and change it
This was the first movie I ever saw in theaters, and during this scene, I was very young, but still understood what Kenais confession meant, and I cried so much. Now, being older, what breaks me more is when he turns the pawprint into a handprint. God, this movie is soooo underrated.
AlphaTengua How? This has a great set up to a very emotional scene where they build up the confession with Kenai being indirect because he was worried about being upfront to Koda what he had done. I feel the song dominating this whole confession scene just ruins it.
Idk parents are whiny in my town they wanted to ban ferngully but looking back..lion king sinbad treasure planet ELDORADO all are kind of worse... Maybe they just had to rush it too. But i think it's cuz of whiney parents saying its "Too violent and sad" for kiddies. But thats just me
Going to have to go with being in the minority here but I honestly liked the released movie's version of this better. It just feels to me that there really was no dialogue that could truly encompass and relay all of what was going on within Kenai or Koda during this. Instead the music was there to capture the emotion while the animation captured the physical impact. Both of those did a far better job of getting the emotional depth of this scene to me then the dialogue here did. I have had lots of moments and feelings that just have no words for them and the film version of this scene made me really feel that.
They should've kept this confession scene/version. So much more affective than the final version in the movie, if I remember correctly. Haven't seen it for years though. Thanks for making this combo!
I actually feel like the version they went with in the final movie was more emotional and more powerful. Kind of like a "less is more" thing. Where we can only imagine how hard it must be for Kenai to explain what happened, and the song comes on to emphasize what he's feeling instead of what he's saying. I feel like if it were left a mystery what Kenai said, it emphasizes how hard it was because maybe it's like he doesn't even know what he's saying. But thanks for the upload, it's interesting.
As much as I like hearing the whole confession and it is very touching (close to tears) I think that the scene in the movie where you only hear Kenai say the few lines is very powerful and has the same amount of emotion as this does!
Both versions of the scene breaks my heart! They're both so sad and heart-wrenching. Whether a dialogue scene or the original singing version, this scene is sad and powerful!
I don't know why people complain about Phil Collins singing here it really hurts really to hear this song and watch as Kenai explains to Koda what happened. It was so gut wrenching to me and even as a kid I knew what was happening so when he explains to Koda about it, I wouldn't stop crying. I still can't stop crying from that scene.
This scene is so sad and powerful because keni now realized that he was the monster all along and he now realized the other side to life beside being a selfish human. He now knows that nature and animals are no different than people. It's crazy a children's movie teaches us more about life than half of these movies out here...
I feel like I'm the only one who likes the cut that made it into the movie more than this one. In this version of the story, the audience already knows the story being told, because we saw it play out in its entirety, not to mention Koda's retelling with Kenai's flashbacks thrown in the scene before. Telling the whole thing again would just be boring, because the scene before literally did just that. The movie cut, meanwhile, takes the emphasis off of the words, instead placing it on the emotions of the characters to tell the story, with the key lines put in to both tell its own self contained story, and give those lines in particular more emphasis. And while the Phil Collins can get annoying sometimes, I personally think it fits really well in this scene. Even so, if you cut out the Phil Collins and put in another piece, then the movie cut would, in my opinion, be better suited to the narrative of the movie, as well as being a good self contained story. And what that means is, if you had this cut outside of the movie, it would sound really exposition-y, whereas with the movie cut, you could take it out of the film and still feel the power of the scene, because even without knowing exactly what happened, the animation, word choice, and expression in the characters faces can suck you in to the drama, and even give you a general sense of what happened.
thank you for uploading this, for years ive been wanting to hear what Kenai was telling Koda but Phil Collins blocked it with his singing which was kind of annoying, dont get me wrong Phil Collins is ok but not when he sings over a story
Kiara LionessTM {Kiara Fray Fairchild} That's why I think the final version works better. It's left to your imagination. Even though we know what he's talking about.
disney's call probably, not the director's, but too emotional? considering sitka's death at the start of the film, I think it would have been adequately emotional for the audience. it needed to be really emotional because what has been told, is a major plot point, and to make when koda reunites with kenai later on, more impactful. it's just done much better here. it's so raw, and powerful, without the phil collins song playing over the dialogue, and the extra scenes added in.
@@RYMAN1321 The song fucks it up by EXPLAINING his feelings, the final version just guides kids through the emotions rather than letting them feel them. A great movie acknowledges that kids aren't dummies, but this film doesn't, and it really suffers for it. This scene works better with words because they imply the feelings, as opposed to the other way around where they state the feelings and imply the words.
+Cynix CSGO Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
jacoblgames He tells Koda how he was a human before, how he killed a bear and how his mother will not come. Koda, for all I know, watched at least the first part of the fight until the part where the glacier broke. I think that's enough hints for anyone...
I wish this had been the version in the movie - I know that there's the whole "less is more" thing and I love both versions, but in this one we get to actually hear what Kenai's saying (which I wondered before), and we still get to hear the song, just a bit later in the scene. I hope that they at least release a special extended version of this with this fully animated, like what they did for Beauty and the Beast.
+princeps corvus Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
i just cant hold back the tears for this scene, I just love the baby bear koda , i wish i could see a behind the scene look when they were reading the parts for the characters, especially for koda.
Wow this scene is so, so, SO much better without music; I had no idea it'd be this emotional and moving. I love Phil Collins, but the song being put over Kenai's confession was a very bad choice. Even when he's chasing after Koda in the wind apologising to him, I feel like it's unecessary, and that it'd be more powerful without it. It's a great song, but it doesn't fit anywhere, and it'd should've been cut. Scene with music 6/10, scene without music 11/10. Bad move Disney, you fucked up.
+littlescruby Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
+jacoblgames Meh, I think it's better with Kenai not telling Koda explicitly anyway. This way, Koda has to put the pieces together and have it slowly dawn on him, which is more powerful imo
Kenai's moment of transformation comes when he and Koda are at the river and he realizes the truth...that Koda's mother died and he was to blame. When he tells Koda the truth about his mother's fate, Kenai realizes that it was not the bear who was the monster...his lust for revenge made Kenai the monster when he killed Koda's mother to avenge Sitka's death.
For all the lack of appreciation it gets, it does one thing infinitely better than Lion King. Simba ran away in exile for years due to believing he did murder his own father and came back to fix his mistakes and learn from them. Except not only does the reminder of the past nearly kill him, but also it was all a lie from his uncle who actually did the deed. So Simba had issues that he was never actually responsible for and the murderer was portrayed as a monster for doing so on top of his irresponsible rule that somehow caused the pride lands to become a gray wasteland. And Simba’s eventual fight for justice and karma dealing Scar a well deserved death was portrayed as positive as possible. Kenai did kill the bear who caused his brother’s death, but not only was this action what caused his transformation into a bear, but that bear was the mother of his adoptive younger brother. Kenai actually did murder someone unnecessarily and he has to live with the fact that he orphaned his younger brother. He actually has reasons to feel guilt and has to face the consequences of his actions to learn to be a better person from it for the rest of his life. There’s no justice in how revenge is portrayed, being a negative action that causes more harm than good. It’s surprisingly very mature.
I don’t think I fully grasped just how dark this movie was when I was a kid. But rewatching it now I think it’s an amazing movie. It’s one of my favorite movies with such a huge emotional impact. At least for me it was.
this song makes me sad cause it reminds me that I should've been there more for my family included a one of my sisters I have two. the point is I had a one sister that had a terrible time and I should've been there for her but no an old lady from a high school I went to gave me trouble a lot through my freshman to my senior year the point is all I cared about was getting back at this old lady instead of helping my sister but my other sister had problems too anyway I feel awful
I agree. While I'm not hating Phil Collins like say "Nostalgia Critic", this is more about them putting a song in the wrong place, There's nothing wrong with Kenai's speech, it kind of makes a greater impact than the song does. They should've stuck to instrumental score here in my opinion.
I agree, this makes it seem like he had to easy of a time explaining what happened. The song really did make it seem more like he couldn't put it all together.
Koda went through most of this movie thinking his mom was still alive, and he had to search for her. Now he finds out that not only has his mom been dead this whole time, but he's been hanging around with the one who killed her. Poor guy got M. Night Shyamalan'ed.
Joaquin Phoenix just pull Kenai off so well. You can hear the regret and hate in his voice. Kenai really regret this and hate himself. Joaquin Phoenix just nail Kenai voice.
There are few movies out there, that make me cry like a little child. I can watch every action/horror movie without showing any emotions, or even flinching, but those animation movies really get into my heart. this movie and how to train your dragon along with Lion King are the greatest movies of all time in my opinion, because there's so much emotion in them. Those movies brought me to tears, crying like a little child. (i am 19)
I am so glad to have this scene with the dialogue and it’s very deep but I think they made the right choice putting Phil Collins. We already knew the story and you can tell by the song and their faces what is going on and I think the music adds so much more emotional depth
I agree with you 100%. I don't even know why I put it in there. Would be awesome to try to do a completely non-phil collins version. Still wished they had used the "original" scene in the movie, which is much, much better.
They should have put this scene in with the song after. This scene is so touching. Disney doesn't have to sugarcoat everything for children. This shows that telling the importance of being honest with the person you care about. The way they wrote it was appropriate too it wasn't too morbid.
Such an underrated film. Who agrees with me
+Disney65Fan I agree
I do this is one of my favorite Disney movies
I agree 1,000% it's by far their best movie
I think it is the modern speak and some of the modern jokes that turn people off. I think it is good but I get were people are coming from if they say they don't like it.
I agree 🐻
The theme in this movie is so strong considering it's a Disney movie. The major twist near the end having Koda's mom be the bear Kenai killed at the beginning made it very dark and as a kid I just didn't realize this. I still love this movie, but now I love it even more.
hehe I figured out what happened....about the same time Kenai did hehe.....I just.....had the same horrified look on my face hehe.
I knew what happened, I just didn't see how dark it was until I got older. I was just all "Oh no!" and then it's like you process it and you go "Oh no..." xD
Auron530 it's one of those great moments where....disney takes a chance on something we don't see too often, usually so fomulic...but wow that part was just..powerful hehe.
I wonder what the adults watching the movie were thinking at that time. I reckon most of them would just think "Oh it's just a Disney movie." If I had been an adult during the time I watched the movie for the first time I feel as though my emotions would've been much stronger. I'm kind of a sucker for these kind of moments, haha.
Auron530 Yeah :> I know it effected me alot :> But disney some times gets away with it :> Look at Frozen last year, and lego movie this year they were partly on...
This was the most heart breaking and heart touching Disney movie of my childhood. Cry every time.
Andrew Lang
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stampede in Quenia.
For me that would be hunchback of Notre dame lol but this was a close second. Most people put lion king in their 1 spot I think.
Joaquin Phoenix's acting here hits me hard, because he too lost River Phoenix many years before this film was release.
I think to nail the regret in Kenai's voice. Joaquin Phoenix might had been thinking about losing his brother.
In the sequel, he got replaced by the guy who plays Robert in Enchanted.
But he certainly did not kill his own brother!
Not gonna lie fellas, the scene where Kenai shapes his pawprint into a handprint gets me every time.
It's almost as if he's acknowledging to the spirits and to himself that he is the monster, not bears.
Koda described man as being monsters, while Kenai described bears as monsters. Koda is familiar with bears and trusts them, and we see Kenai acknowledging this by turning a bear paw, a symbol of the creatures that Koda trusts, into a handprint, a symbol of the monsters that took his mother away from him.
So simple, yet so powerful!
You can also see a pawsprint behind him, it looks like human steps, but the hand... seems, like he is the falling human.
the placement of the song in THIS scene, is much better than in the film
ok i can understand why disney replaced with this scene with the depressing phil Collins because this version is even more upsetting and depressing then the film version and there is way too little comedy in this film
Alan Wilcox I'm with ya
Ikr
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I love both versions of this scene. They both have their merits. I LOVE hearing the characters talk about their struggles and feelings. And it's really gripping how Kenai's voice breaks a few times. He's hurting so bad and he hates himself. Beautiful. But the final version is just as gripping to me. People say it's cheesy. But I've always taken that scene seriously. The song is beautiful and powerful and it definitely tells us what we need to know about how Kenai is feeling. Which is just as good as him telling Koda and the audience. And the way the music builds and builds until Koda runs away heartbroken. That has always made me cry. You can feel the little guy's pain. You can feel it in this one too of course. But the movie version is most definitely worthy of praise.
Much prefer this version. Bigger impact. I get the feeling Disney made the call to water it down because it was out of place from the mood of the rest of the movie. The rest of the movie takes a very lighthearted tone despite the deep conflicts.
+iBolt07 Agreed; and I consider it a big mistake...
I don't personally see it as that out of place. When Sitka died in the first act, there was no sugar coating it. He was dead, and it was made clear, and the moment was sad and mournful.
It seems an odd choice to tone it down when it felt like the film wasen't above delving into the reality of things.
That said, I feel like the film could definitely have benefited from this scene over the original cut.
+iBolt07 The only thing I don't like from the movie is the scenes where Phil Collins sings, SORRY but his voice is ANNOYING!!!!!
Wow... That's weird. Don't get me wrong, it's your opinion, but I rarely meet someone who dislike Phil Collins. I mean, for me, personnally, he's in my top 3 best singer ever.
GameDjeenie This version still has Phil Collins. It's just a little longer and better storyboarded.
I like the Phil Collins song, but this is what they should have done. This is absolutely heart-breaking. Pheoenix's acting is on point; you can just feel Kenai's torment. That one bit where Koda says "like a brother!" and hugs him, and the pained look on Kenai's face, and how he just spits out his confession and you can sense his remorse oh WHY DISNEY. This could have been a Lion King moment, like when Kenai finds out the truth himself, but you added ALL THE CHEESE.
I love Brother Bear, I personally find it very underrated and it's one of my favourite Disney movies - heck, one of my favourite animated films! It may not be as strong as BatB or TLK, it is flawed in parts, but it's so beautiful and funny, with gorgeous animation and a lovely message. However, they should have kept this scene Phil free!
Forget being an animated film, it such great film no live action can really compare....
I am in total agreement. just to add one more scene i think which could have elevated the film into greatness. i think there should have been an actual scene in the film where koda forgives kenai.
except it's never addressed again the fact that kenai killed koda's mother. koda just kind of forgets about it, and after hearing rutt and tuke make up which is played more for comic relief, koda just goes to find kenai like all is well and forgotten.
i feel there should have been a serious, emotional scene between the two where koda forgives kenai, it would have made for a really powerful scene with the two embracing, or however you'd want to do it. but something along those lines, would have really cemented koda and kenai's brotherhood.
ISetYourFaceOnFire I second that!
i am glad they got rid of this it would be even more upsetting and make children cry even more and even though i do not like bears that much its turning koda into a teddy bear bambi ripoff
I can't make it past this part with out crying
If Brother Bear ran with this original version of Kenai's confession instead of Phil Collins's song being played over it and maybe trying to do away with all the modern-speak and modern jokes (like "pinky swear" and "totaling a mammoth"), this movie would probably be a much better one, and probably one of my personal all-time favorites.
I aggree
I hate this song
Sanka Jones then my kids would have seen a grown man (dad) cry.
Amen!
it would also be better if they got rid of those two annoying moose
What a powerful scene. Given the regret in Kenai's voice, it feels like Joaquin Phoenix was flashing back to when he lost his older brother, River Phoenix.
As much as I liked the original scene, I think this is better.
This is how it SHOULD have been done in the first place. The final cut that involved them playing the song OVER Kenai’s confession was the people behind this movie taking the coward’s way out.
People probably wouldn't hate this song so much if it wasn't played over the confession scene. It's a shame, because it's a wonderful song.
People don't hate the actual song, they just hate the fact where the song was place and that it covered the actual scene. Because they didn't get to know what Kenai was saying.
I don't hate the song. It's just that the final ver of the scene wasn't exactly as impactful as the deleted scene. I mean I understand why the directors made the choice considering we did saw the reveal during Koda's story so we already know that Kenai killed Koda's mother.
From what I read, they included the song simply because they copped out. @@ruintheday13
Sure, the audience knew the truth....but Koda didn't. It wouldn't have lessened this scene's impact.@@ruintheday13
Personally I believe that this scene is better with the song being played in the background. We don't need to know exactly what kenai said to koda. That can be left to our own imaginations, possibly making it even more emotional. Besides, I think the song by Phil Collins does a great job of capturing the emotion of the scene.
Kalem Page I think the Phil Collins song completely ruins it. It's more compelling to have it like this.
+Kalem Page except it ISN'T left to our imaginations, the phil collins song told us EVERYTHING in such an obvious and unsubtle way. i agree a wordless scene would've been WAY better, but like... with orchestral, wordless music, not phil collins blaring out his sadness over what's happening.
Kalem Page I agree. Sometimes less is more.
Kalem Page I agree but the song hints towards what he is saying to koda. It tells us how much he is angry with himself and would do anything to go back and change it
Kalem Page Agreed.
This was the first movie I ever saw in theaters, and during this scene, I was very young, but still understood what Kenais confession meant, and I cried so much. Now, being older, what breaks me more is when he turns the pawprint into a handprint. God, this movie is soooo underrated.
Am I the ONLY person who loves this movie too.
Your mother's not coming
No
Joaquin Phoenix SHOULD have been in the second one.
ya. patrick dempsey. nothing against him but he didn't do it for me. joaquin pheonix WAS kenai.
I didn't know he didn't return for the sequel!
He probably wanted to, but there was a scheduling conflict.
Heroica Knight he doesn’t like sequels XD
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It really pissed me off that they layered the music over it.
Should've had it this way, was so much better.
This scene is so much more deep and emotional hearing kenai
I would've preferred this scene being in the movie. Kenai's words, Koda's reaction, are just so tearjerking. :'(
he means without the phil collins song playing over when kenai is speaking i think.
This is how it should have played out. Seriously play the fucking song AFTER the confession! Jeez!
Because they felt this was too strong for kids.
AlphaTengua How? This has a great set up to a very emotional scene where they build up the confession with Kenai being indirect because he was worried about being upfront to Koda what he had done. I feel the song dominating this whole confession scene just ruins it.
Idk parents are whiny in my town they wanted to ban ferngully but looking back..lion king sinbad treasure planet ELDORADO all are kind of worse...
Maybe they just had to rush it too. But i think it's cuz of whiney parents saying its "Too violent and sad" for kiddies. But thats just me
If this was the original idea, THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY STAY WITH IT! This version is so much better than the actual movie scene!
I would guess that they wanted to save on time, but it wouldn't make sense due to them both being the same amount of time
It because this is way heavier than the real scene
It's still a pretty heavy scene. Even without saying it the audience knows.
And now Kenai is now turned into the Joker can't wait to see Joanque Phoenix do the part great job ☺☺☺
Man, you can really hear the emotion in Kenai's voice.
Going to have to go with being in the minority here but I honestly liked the released movie's version of this better. It just feels to me that there really was no dialogue that could truly encompass and relay all of what was going on within Kenai or Koda during this. Instead the music was there to capture the emotion while the animation captured the physical impact. Both of those did a far better job of getting the emotional depth of this scene to me then the dialogue here did. I have had lots of moments and feelings that just have no words for them and the film version of this scene made me really feel that.
i love joaquin phoenix;s voice
They should've kept this confession scene/version. So much more affective than the final version in the movie, if I remember correctly. Haven't seen it for years though.
Thanks for making this combo!
I actually feel like the version they went with in the final movie was more emotional and more powerful. Kind of like a "less is more" thing. Where we can only imagine how hard it must be for Kenai to explain what happened, and the song comes on to emphasize what he's feeling instead of what he's saying. I feel like if it were left a mystery what Kenai said, it emphasizes how hard it was because maybe it's like he doesn't even know what he's saying.
But thanks for the upload, it's interesting.
Interesting how our boy Joaquin Phoenix went from being a bear to being the joker
"I used to think my whole life i was playing as the bear but now realize, am the joker!"
@@SonGoku-hr5kz bro I literally just choked on my drink when I read that comment lol
My mum bought me this film after my dad died when I was 6. This scene reminds me of exactly when she told me he was gone
I'm sorry he's gone... that's gotta be difficult.
As much as I like hearing the whole confession and it is very touching (close to tears) I think that the scene in the movie where you only hear Kenai say the few lines is very powerful and has the same amount of emotion as this does!
Both versions of the scene breaks my heart! They're both so sad and heart-wrenching. Whether a dialogue scene or the original singing version, this scene is sad and powerful!
I’am the only that was surprised when noticed that Kenai voice actor is Joaquim Phoenix?
I cry enough watching the scene that made it into the movie, now I'm a blubbering puddle on the floor. Thanks for that.
"What'd you do, Kenai?"
"I GAVE THAT BEAR WHAT IT F***ING DESERVES!"
LMAO! I hate myself for laughing hahahaha.
BITCH HAHAHAHAH 😂😂😂
"And remember, Koda, that's life!"
Hi, sorry, was looking through Joaquin Phoenix's filmography after watching Joker....and found out he voiced Kenai! WHAT? I never would've guessed!
I don't know why people complain about Phil Collins singing here it really hurts really to hear this song and watch as Kenai explains to Koda what happened. It was so gut wrenching to me and even as a kid I knew what was happening so when he explains to Koda about it, I wouldn't stop crying. I still can't stop crying from that scene.
After I watched this scene for the first time, I couldn’t dare watch it again because I was crying my eyes out
i think that if the scene went like this brother bear wouldn't be such an underrated movie. who agrees
This scene is so sad and powerful because keni now realized that he was the monster all along and he now realized the other side to life beside being a selfish human. He now knows that nature and animals are no different than people. It's crazy a children's movie teaches us more about life than half of these movies out here...
I feel like I'm the only one who likes the cut that made it into the movie more than this one. In this version of the story, the audience already knows the story being told, because we saw it play out in its entirety, not to mention Koda's retelling with Kenai's flashbacks thrown in the scene before. Telling the whole thing again would just be boring, because the scene before literally did just that. The movie cut, meanwhile, takes the emphasis off of the words, instead placing it on the emotions of the characters to tell the story, with the key lines put in to both tell its own self contained story, and give those lines in particular more emphasis. And while the Phil Collins can get annoying sometimes, I personally think it fits really well in this scene. Even so, if you cut out the Phil Collins and put in another piece, then the movie cut would, in my opinion, be better suited to the narrative of the movie, as well as being a good self contained story. And what that means is, if you had this cut outside of the movie, it would sound really exposition-y, whereas with the movie cut, you could take it out of the film and still feel the power of the scene, because even without knowing exactly what happened, the animation, word choice, and expression in the characters faces can suck you in to the drama, and even give you a general sense of what happened.
BLESS YOU FOR COMBINING THE DELETED SCENES!!!
I love Phil Collins, but when they placed that song over this scene, it kind of ruined the moment.
It wasn't his fault it was Disney this easily makes the scene so much more emotional and deep actually hearing kenai
+AleqsH Argumentative. After all, above your comment is one that makes a good argument of the song actually making it better.
I agree, I would've liked to hear the conversation in the movie.
agree i found this verison much stronger and more heart breaking when he tell the cub that his mom never coming back
man, 10 years later I STILL cry my eyes out
I am so glad that you uploaded this video because I was very curious about Kenai's confession.
Kenai and Koda
thank you for uploading this, for years ive been wanting to hear what Kenai was telling Koda but Phil Collins blocked it with his singing which was kind of annoying, dont get me wrong Phil Collins is ok but not when he sings over a story
I loved it. We already knew what he did so just getting bits of it while a sad song played was great. I ONLY tear up on the movie version
Who knows that Kenai’s voice is voiced by the Actor who played Joker in the 2019 film?
AlanBoy L knew that lol
wow... first time I actually knew what kenai said...
I knew it was a deleted scene from the movie because it would have been too emotional for the audiences
Um excuse me but wasn't no way out emotional enough XD I mean "Koda your mothers not coming" "no…no!" I mean come on! 😭
Kiara LionessTM {Kiara Fray} right :'(
Amari Shaheed yeah so sad :( so it wouldn't of mattered if they'd used the deleted scene or not
Kiara LionessTM {Kiara Fray Fairchild} That's why I think the final version works better. It's left to your imagination. Even though we know what he's talking about.
disney's call probably, not the director's, but too emotional? considering sitka's death at the start of the film, I think it would have been adequately emotional for the audience. it needed to be really emotional because what has been told, is a major plot point, and to make when koda reunites with kenai later on, more impactful. it's just done much better here. it's so raw, and powerful, without the phil collins song playing over the dialogue, and the extra scenes added in.
i thought the version in the movie was pretty powerful, cause you know what he's telling Koda by his gestures. I don't know it still hurt either way
Gia isnotawkward That's why I think the final version works better. It's left to your imagination. Even though you know what it's about.
@@RYMAN1321 The song fucks it up by EXPLAINING his feelings, the final version just guides kids through the emotions rather than letting them feel them. A great movie acknowledges that kids aren't dummies, but this film doesn't, and it really suffers for it. This scene works better with words because they imply the feelings, as opposed to the other way around where they state the feelings and imply the words.
This is way way WAY better than the scene in the movie.
+Cynix CSGO Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
jacoblgames He tells Koda how he was a human before, how he killed a bear and how his mother will not come. Koda, for all I know, watched at least the first part of the fight until the part where the glacier broke.
I think that's enough hints for anyone...
Cynix CSGO Maybe, maybe not. It would have been much better if Kenai straight-up told him. That's what I was waiting for, but it never happened.
This is honestly how the scene should have played out.
I wish this had been the version in the movie - I know that there's the whole "less is more" thing and I love both versions, but in this one we get to actually hear what Kenai's saying (which I wondered before), and we still get to hear the song, just a bit later in the scene. I hope that they at least release a special extended version of this with this fully animated, like what they did for Beauty and the Beast.
this scene gets me choked up so much
Oh my God, I remember this scene.....still gets me 14 years later.
wow powerful and I feel the hurt from both of them
Oh my gods this is so much better than the original.
+princeps corvus Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
jacoblgames how would that make it better lol?
i just cant hold back the tears for this scene, I just love the baby bear koda , i wish i could see a behind the scene look when they were reading the parts for the characters, especially for koda.
i almost forgot how much i love this movie.. ❤️
This scene is just so heartbreaking 😣😱😭😭
I AGREE
Wow this scene is so, so, SO much better without music; I had no idea it'd be this emotional and moving.
I love Phil Collins, but the song being put over Kenai's confession was a very bad choice. Even when he's chasing after Koda in the wind apologising to him, I feel like it's unecessary, and that it'd be more powerful without it.
It's a great song, but it doesn't fit anywhere, and it'd should've been cut.
Scene with music 6/10, scene without music 11/10.
Bad move Disney, you fucked up.
+littlescruby Not exactly. In this version, Kenai did not straight-up tell Koda that he was one of those hunters. In the other version, for all we know he did.
+jacoblgames Meh, I think it's better with Kenai not telling Koda explicitly anyway. This way, Koda has to put the pieces together and have it slowly dawn on him, which is more powerful imo
littlescruby Except we never really saw him piece it together.
To me, it's when he's walking backwards away from Kenai while looking at him that he's piecing it together, but that's just my interpretation.
This version of the scene is a feeling
All it takes is one bad day
That’s how far the world is for me just one bad day
Funny how this bear will become the joker (Joaquin Phoenix)
Kenai: I killed your mom.
Koda: NOOOOOOOOOO! T~T T~T '~` );
Oscar Mauricio Rojas Cadena The day he lost his innocence :( 😢😢
Oscar Mauricio Rojas Cadena NO I am your mom
omg this scene makes sense!!
This one gave me chills. Oh god. I'm crying.
Seriously. They should have gone this route instead. The impact was far superior.
I’ve never seen this scene before... m-my HEART.
Kenai's moment of transformation comes when he and Koda are at the river and he realizes the truth...that Koda's mother died and he was to blame. When he tells Koda the truth about his mother's fate, Kenai realizes that it was not the bear who was the monster...his lust for revenge made Kenai the monster when he killed Koda's mother to avenge Sitka's death.
For all the lack of appreciation it gets, it does one thing infinitely better than Lion King. Simba ran away in exile for years due to believing he did murder his own father and came back to fix his mistakes and learn from them. Except not only does the reminder of the past nearly kill him, but also it was all a lie from his uncle who actually did the deed. So Simba had issues that he was never actually responsible for and the murderer was portrayed as a monster for doing so on top of his irresponsible rule that somehow caused the pride lands to become a gray wasteland. And Simba’s eventual fight for justice and karma dealing Scar a well deserved death was portrayed as positive as possible.
Kenai did kill the bear who caused his brother’s death, but not only was this action what caused his transformation into a bear, but that bear was the mother of his adoptive younger brother.
Kenai actually did murder someone unnecessarily and he has to live with the fact that he orphaned his younger brother. He actually has reasons to feel guilt and has to face the consequences of his actions to learn to be a better person from it for the rest of his life. There’s no justice in how revenge is portrayed, being a negative action that causes more harm than good. It’s surprisingly very mature.
I don’t think I fully grasped just how dark this movie was when I was a kid. But rewatching it now I think it’s an amazing movie. It’s one of my favorite movies with such a huge emotional impact. At least for me it was.
Used to watch this frequently when I was a kid. Didn’t think I’d make me tear up as an adult
this song makes me sad cause it reminds me that I should've been there more for my family included a one of my sisters I have two. the point is I had a one sister that had a terrible time and I should've been there for her but no an old lady from a high school I went to gave me trouble a lot through my freshman to my senior year the point is all I cared about was getting back at this old lady instead of helping my sister but my other sister had problems too anyway I feel awful
If they kept this in the movie would've won awards
this is the worst scene in the whole movie! always made me cry a river :'''(
This scene ever make me cry.
Such a underrated movie.
I agree. While I'm not hating Phil Collins like say "Nostalgia Critic", this is more about them putting a song in the wrong place, There's nothing wrong with Kenai's speech, it kind of makes a greater impact than the song does.
They should've stuck to instrumental score here in my opinion.
I agree. Instrumental version of the song would be so much better.
This is the first Disney cartoon that brought me to the brink of crying.
Wonderful actors! Joaquin Phoenix and Jeremy Suarez
Koda: What did you do, Kenai?
Kenai: I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a fucking comedy.
Better question: why do you care?
I agree, this makes it seem like he had to easy of a time explaining what happened. The song really did make it seem more like he couldn't put it all together.
Koda went through most of this movie thinking his mom was still alive, and he had to search for her. Now he finds out that not only has his mom been dead this whole time, but he's been hanging around with the one who killed her. Poor guy got M. Night Shyamalan'ed.
This scene should stay just like this
I like the music too. It went with story. "No way out."
This brings back so many memories.. this part always got me on tears 😭
I like this version a lot better than the one in the movie... I mean, the one in the movie is good, but I prefer this one, now that I know it exists.
Man, like hearing the song "No Way Out" in this scene hits me right in the feels 😭
Watching the full scene always sends a chill down my spine.
Joaquin Phoenix = Kenai... ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Joaquin Phoenix just pull Kenai off so well. You can hear the regret and hate in his voice. Kenai really regret this and hate himself. Joaquin Phoenix just nail Kenai voice.
😭😭😭 Oh god, this is harder than in the film.
There are few movies out there, that make me cry like a little child. I can watch every action/horror movie without showing any emotions, or even flinching, but those animation movies really get into my heart.
this movie and how to train your dragon along with Lion King are the greatest movies of all time in my opinion, because there's so much emotion in them.
Those movies brought me to tears, crying like a little child.
(i am 19)
Colonel Jessup shouted to Koda: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
I cried last night at this part I wept.DAMN IT PHIL COLLINS>3
Thanks for putting this i always wonder what Kenai say to Koda
I always wondered what kenai told to koda and now i finally found out
I like this scene much better
Delta's Adventures me too
This should've stayed in the movie! So much more powerful, effective, and more heart wrenching than having Phil Collins song playing over it!
yes, he did :/ I accidently (spelling...) removed one shot of Kenai looking sad at Koda and saying his name. But the answer to your question is "yes"
I am so glad to have this scene with the dialogue and it’s very deep but I think they made the right choice putting Phil Collins. We already knew the story and you can tell by the song and their faces what is going on and I think the music adds so much more emotional depth
I agree with you 100%. I don't even know why I put it in there. Would be awesome to try to do a completely non-phil collins version. Still wished they had used the "original" scene in the movie, which is much, much better.
They should have put this scene in with the song after. This scene is so touching. Disney doesn't have to sugarcoat everything for children. This shows that telling the importance of being honest with the person you care about. The way they wrote it was appropriate too it wasn't too morbid.
Well done! And here I thought no one would ever make a combo of those scenes.