Trafotin, I just wanted to say thank you. Your videos are concise and yet they still touch upon topics that are of interest to me. This video on installing alpine linux is brilliant. I found what you had to say easy to understand .... at no point did I find myself thinking, "yeah, whatever that's supposed to mean" .... linux commenters are stuck in their own heads to such an extent usually that they usually can't communicate with people who haven't been using linux 20 years. You are a very notable exception. I intend to watch a bunch more of your videos in the future because you can definitely teach me things I need to know. It's a rare trait ... : - )
@@gto4467 Both will include redundant dependencies, which is the very definition of bloat. How about just using normal apps? Don't get me wrong, they obviously can be useful. But if "bloat" is your reason for not using sudo or glibc, then you definitely shouldn't use any of them.
That’s so annoying, we need to be able to install package in multiple version and to have transitive dependencies being nicely resolved. It shouldn’t matter package a and a’ in the same system and eventually getting resolved at some point in the future
As a gentoo user having used arch and artix, I disagree, artix is difficult to get working without systemd, but gentoo is just as well supported on openrc as it is on systemd - except for some packages that depend on it (cockpit, iio-sensors-proxy, can't name any others)
@@u7w2 Yeah, I get that, from a new user standpoint though, when trying to look for solutions online, systemd is what you are gonna find more frequently.
I think alpine's installer could benefit from simply asking the user if they're installing for local use (desktop) or remote use (server) and then give a temporary GUI for that kind of installation, less mistakes would be made and would surely attract more users
@@RHTORAS Any installer that requires a command line to configure is by default bad, no ifs, buts, or what's about it, it's just bad, too easy to make mistakes that way
@@zxuiji i like calamares but also an openbsd type of installer is good too... if you are systemD user you might be used to ubiquity and linux might be difficult but having options is fine imho
@@RHTORAS I use manjaro, I may be a techy person but not to the extent of fanboying over the shell. I, like any normal user, would rather a GUI any day
@@zxuiji alpine has its largest uses in containers and servers. Neither of them should have a desktop. So when installing for desktop use I believe they have struck a great compromise without making themselves much more work by providing many different images for the desktop environments. Providing even a temporary gui comes with making the image significantly bigger because now the have to include xorg or a Wayland implementation. This is an issue when trying to install on iot or iot like devices with little ram and slow data transfer speeds (also major targets by alpine). TL;DR The installer is a good compromise and adding a gui comes at a significant detriment to all other use cases of alpine.
Hello there. Well i have installed alpine using the xfce DM since it is my favorite :). Just wanted to mention a few things that folks who take one the task of switching or trying out alpine linux as a desktop os a) some applications are rather difficult to install or will not install on the minimal linux configuration. it is based on busybox. I tried to run a obsidian appimage with no success. b) foliate was available but never got it running. I use it to reference some epub books. c) I fell in love with linux because it was meant for scripting and programming (IMOA). If the scripts use shebang /usr/bin/bash, there are two things to do 1. download and install bash 2. Change all scripts that have #!/usr/bin/bash to /bin/bash. Depending on the amount of scripts you have, i have approaching 100. I used sed -i '| /usr/bin/bash | /bin/bash | g' your scripts. This is very useful if combined with find command to search for your scripts and to -exec sed on each script. It took me longer typing the command than actually changing all the files :D d) I could never get vscode installed. even if i unzipped the tar.gz like i do on other distro's if not available in package manager for OS. Nevertheless, even with the difficulties, of rewriting certain scripts etc, and having to change my workflow (wondering if it may be more productive) to work with alpine linux. I use geany or nano/mc for scripting and viewing markdown files that i created while learning linux, like HOWTO's. So knowing my way around a computer, i am not really handcuffed in getting things done. Alpine is sweet fast simple and small. Im sure thats is the very reason it is used in docker so much as the base os. So flexible that you can create scripts etc and very good on resources. Im wondering about systemd .....hmmmm. Thanks again for your video. it was very helpful.👍👍
14:35, separate solution, treat the hardware install as just a main layer, install vbox or something to create a vm on an external drive, something like /mnt/VMs/alpine.bin, and then declare another volume on the drive (primary or logical, doesn't matter) as /home, whenever you leave the laptop just close vbox or whatever you're using and remove the drive to bring with you, when you come back plug it back in, re-open your vm and continue normally. No matter who gets onto your computer, they won't be able to steal what is not there because it's with you. Just make sure the external drive and it's cable/s uses the latest USB standard your computer supports for that extra bit of speed
I wanted to try void so badly but the installation was the most frustrating thing and getting WiFi set up was a nightmare (I don't have a wired connection available right now) because of WPA Supplicant. Once I finally got Wifi working I followed the Void instructions to get Gnome or any other desktop environment working but 3 times that I tried re-installing I got death screens and had to re-install again. Alpine just worked for me. Install was easy, it's super efficient, and I love the package manager. I honestly didn't expect that I would like Alpine this much but I'm likely going to use it for some server stuff instead of Ubuntu in the future.
@@MarkStrus I'm using Alpine for my media servers. Alpine is great, the only problem is if you need glibc applications in which one workaround seems to be to use flatpaks. I like that Void supports musl and glibc flavors - but on the desktop I opt for the glibc version for applications compatibility's sake.
@@samjiman Yeah I get that. I don't mind because there's very little I need to worry about being compatible. I'm just using this laptop for development purposes and the only apps I need to work are already in the main repo. I have all of my hardware working out of the box right now and I really just need a decent window manager, a couple of web browsers for testing, and NeoVim. Most of what I'm doing is in the terminal anyway so Alpine just feels like the perfect fit for me.
I use Void and it has great documentation. I am considering trying alpine. Probably will. But Void is great I recommend at least trying it even if you don't want to stay.
I gotta say, it's a lot more interesting when a distro "review" involves installing everything from scratch instead of just clicking on the Calamres installer. I was really interested in Alpine when I first started using Linux, but it gets so little attention that I ended up with stupid Manjaro.
me too. I like Manjaro, playing with Garuda. I use LinuxMint for my audio software/media thing, but I program Rust on Manjaro. I need to do the Alpine thing.
ArchLinux actually had a nurses installer right up until about 2008/2010 but the maintainer for it quit and no one on the Arch team was willing to maintain it.
Thanks! My good puter died so I needed something that would run on an old HP with a Sempron and 3 GBs of DDR2. Alpine is working great on this ancient low-spec machine.
i been a loong time void user since about 2018, it honestly use to be greater than it now is, but its still fairly usable. but i tried alpine for my server and was really impressed and going to use it as my main desktop os and see how it goes
Nice video. Alpine would have been a contender for my default desktop, but I can't play steam games on it, so that was a deal-breaker. But I love the efficiency of this unique distro. Artix was working great for me for some time, but Nvidia drivers don't update at the same time as 32-bit compatibility libraries, which are necessary to run steam. So once in a while steam will break for a few days. For that reason I switched to Garuda. It's more bloated, but my steam hasn't broken on me yet on Garuda.
@@damianateiro No, the steam flatpaks still requires the proprietary Nvidia driver to run properly. Nvidia needs to make their drivers open source like AMD. My next video card is definitely going to be an AMD one.. it's simply less of a hassle.
@@Rood67 I have not tried bottles, but Alpine musl C library packages are not supported by Nvidia. So I would not get any good hardware acceleration without the Nvidia driver.
@@tambuchalinux I’m just starting to test Bottles, but so far it’s very promising to install any windows program I’ve thrown at it including older MMO games. Give it a shot for installing nvidia drivers along with your game
I installed Xfce, but when I rebooted the screen just went black. When I try to restart, the same thing happens again. I am not able to execute commands or bring back the command line....
Probably a LightDM breakage. If you boot into something else and edit the LightDM configuration file or check the logs. You can also try the edge repo because it's more liable to get fixes faster.
thanks for your great tutorial ... actually the passwd command ( within -l flag ) is not going to lock the account but rather locks the password of the named account here's the manual for passwd : -l, --lock Lock the password of the named account. This option disables a password by changing it to a value which matches no possible encrypted value (it adds a ´!´ at the beginning of the password). Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key). To disable the account, administrators should use usermod.
I thought artix was literally just arch with a different init system. Aren't the packages the same? Why would it need additional maintenance? Now that I think of it... Why does it take a whole new distro just to use a different init system? What I'm trying to say is can you make a video on init systems
Because replacement of systemd isn't painless. Some packages are dependent on it, some need additional maintenance. Artix team ensure that all packages in its repositories work well with selected init system
@@misterblade5272 Artix is great, I've been using it for a year now. The packages are always being updated quickly (for example, the default Arch kernel is currently on 6.2.8 while the default Artix kernel is currently on 6.2.6) and there have been no breakages or manual interventions needed in the entire time (aside from once when some packages which are required to be able to use the Arch community repository were moved to a different repo but the manual intervention in this case was a simple reinstall of two packages). The fact that the packages are held back for a short amount of time also contributes to the overall stability (had I been using Arch in that time I would've gotten an unbootable system at least two times) but they aren't held back long enough to cause any problems when using the AUR (contrary to Manjaro). As a matter of fact, Artix is so good that you kind of forget that you're not on vanilla Arch (which is what the purpose of Artix is).
Systemd it's not only an init system since it runs various other services, the thing is that there are packages now (therefore, applications/software) that relies on some of this things systemd does, so yeah, you need additional maintenance if you want to have a repo with only systemd-free packages, neofetch for example would be the exact same package and need the exact same things on both Arch or Artix, yet the vanilla GNOME DE would require systemd, unless you compile the systemd-free one Gentoo makes, cheers!.
I have only succeeded in running on ultra low-spec computers that had no business gaming. I couldn't even get TH-cam videos to play, but GNOME Mines worked...
I wanted to use AlpineLinux as a microcontroller development environment, but I installed Gcompat and libc++, and added the missing library apk from the installation warning, but was unable to successfully install Microchip's MPLAB IDE X.
@@c3cxlaIt's also not forward compatible, doesn't support static linking, has a less readable codebase, is a much bigger install and uses a lot more RAM than musl There's always tradeoffs, although glibc would be a million times better if it was just fucking forward compatible. Glibc singlehandedly makes binary distribution on Linux a shitshow.
In summary, while musl and glibc are crucial components of the Linux operating system, they are not directly related to GPU utilization for gaming. Focus on graphics libraries, APIs, drivers, and the hardware itself when looking to optimize gaming performance on a GPU. No?
Don't game on Alpine. There's no easy way to get GPUs working except AMD and even then, you need to pull some Gentoo class operation and compile AMD's GPU drivers, so you might as well run Gentoo. If you are content with a mini PC or integrated graphics, Alpine will work great.
Was tempted to install Alpine following your video, on an old Dell 630 dual core laptop I have lying around, Went with FreeBSD instead. Have used Alpine in the context of LXD containers. The lack of virtualisation tools to run in Virtualbox or KVM/Qemu is annoying as you say.
I was able to setup a vm with alpine linux. I use kvm and qemu and actually have it running on my server and linking to it as a client. Even with the limit bandwidth, it runs very well. im using alpine xfce and its beautiful.
@@alex146 what exactly do you mean by abandoned? Void has up to date packages and the iso works without issues. Void doesn't need a new iso every week if it updates without issues form the current iso.
@@kim-hendrikmerk4163 as far as I know, the lead maintainer had left the project with sort of drama a few years ago. Now there is a small team who works on it. There are lots of outdated packages. Anyways it is quite niche distro and it doesn't seems that its development is quite fast
I'm trying to install Alpine on a little old netbook and running into the same problem I had when I first installed Arch: apparently the ability to connect to the internet (wifi or ethernet) from a laptop is too much to ask for in the basic goddamn installer. So now I'm back to trying desperately to remember how this worked the last time.
what about gaming on this distro? like with proton/dxvk , mesa, lutris, heroic launcher, steam... is it feasible? or is anything going to stop me from setting those up? like musl lib for example...
Please, make a tutorial on installation alongside Windows! I couldn't find a video tutorial yet and wiki instructions are unclear. I'm trying to do it for the second night, but I can't make the installer see the partitions of sda. I tried following a tutorial for Arch, but with little success - they are different distros after all.
Use a second M.2 chip or hard drive, then follow the video. Windows tends to just break anything on the same disk it's installed on. Avoid the hassle and use a second drive.
Why should you give a standard user admin rights? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought its advantage was not having all permissions?!? Other than that nice that you went into detail on for example username.
This is what every Linux system does because you don't want to run at root all the time. This is why Windows is a security nightmare when it comes to it requiring you to be admin for everything.
The version in stable is frequently behind on updates. An alternative is to use the Flatpak or spin up a openSUSE or Fedora Distrobox with Firefox. Truthfully, I have not tried the edge repos, but they might be a better place to live.
@@Trafotin OK makes more sense.. I also have noticed besides more updated packages in edge repo there is a lot more packages like Chocolate doom is only available in testing repo of edge
I'm hype on musl. No python unless I want it. I want to build out Alpine on btrfs and make a desktop daily driver... in any way possible. Glibc has had so many cve patches. Glibc is like openssl, how long can you stare at the patch history before you raise some important questions? Maybe musl has just fallen under the radar.
@7:34 Yes, dudebro, but those days of smug elitism are gone, since Arch received a guided installer. 👍 @9:17 Ah, so you redirect the root user to the no_login shell and install sudo, right?
If it takes 10 minutes to compile, that's still too long for me. The little time you save on apps compiled "optimally" for your hardware, you waste way more time on compilation.
It's an enormous waste of power and time, there's a reason that source-based package managers are few and far between. I've tried Gentoo (on a pretty decent laptop) and taking several hours to install and update something as ubiquitous as a browser (and even longer for the kernel) is ridiculous. Maybe it would be somewhat practical if you didn't use a single piece of software written in C++ or Rust, good luck doing that though.
You don't like libre distros cuz proprietary doesn't work, but you are trying out a musl one where half of everything doesn't work??? You don't like source distros, but you are masochistic enough to mess with VMs/containers (on a musl distro no less) where to share a directory between the vm and host OS requires a PHD. Or use containers yes, I want to duplicate half of my libraries for every app installed and then mount a new filesystem so I can then go through an other software layer to finally launch my app, more slowly, with a chance of not integrating with the OS properly??? And systemd is far easier to use??? Most desktop users would not need to touch the init, maybe enable 1 service (one command on all inits), that is if you don't encounter one of the many bugs it has in it's 1.5+ mil lines codebase (runit has 1k and does the exact same thing) like deleting all your data (yes that existed). Shady af, like your logic of distro choices. And don't just glance over Void linux with 0 effort to understand it. It has enough users. Every distro has a problem, but as of 2024 there is nothing more sane than Void.
Yes, but I don't want to have to open fdisk, configure my partitions, only to watch the installer fail after. Please do not make assumptions about what I do.
En tu página web "I haven’t figured out how to get Spice working properly on Alpine. If someone knows, let me know down in the comments on TH-cam or Odysee." He hecho algunas pruebas y funciona copiar/pegar hostguest Pasar archivos de host->guest con ratón, arrastrar y soltar ..... Host debian 12 y guest Alpine 3.20 # rc-service spice-vdagnetd start $ spice-vdagent ... Si pongo rc-update add vdagnetd boot -- NO funciona Si pongo rc-update add vdagentd ---- NO funciona Disculpa por no escribir en inglés. Un saludo!
well here's the deal... SystemD is easy well this is kinda true but false too is it easier than sysVinit ? Nope! sysV is widely used there are better options than systemD like dinit or runit+66 but some folks are lazy and stay with the bloat and vulnerable systemD alpine is not the best nosystemD distro and yes Void is better (glibc, runit+66, bigger repos) as is Devuan (debian with freedom and security) artix was good but now i find it mediocre also antix is good or adelie which similar to alpine as is chimera linux copying guides doesn't make you better and linux is here to make you better the best distro is something debateable but i think void is close to be the best distro imho btw i use void, devuan, alpine, openbsd and alt with sysVinit from time to time
> Calls systemD "bloated" and "vulnerable" when it's literally one of the most used and trusted pieces of software worldwide > Recommends unknown and untrusted hobby projects instead, that are probably less secure (I think Devuan doesn't even include Microcode updates by default?)
@@schneensch Calls winDows "bloated" and "vulnerable" when it's literally one of the most used and trusted pieces of software worldwide Recommends unknown (to windows users) and untrusted (by ms and idiots) hobby (development is hobby afterall) projects instead, that are probably less secure (compared to Fort Knox) YES I DO
I have NO idea how to do that kind of stuff.. so this one leaves me OUt.. as most of the KEYBANGING BS does.. -and NO- I dio NOT want to learn.. too old, can't see- and HATE TEXT..
Trafotin, I just wanted to say thank you. Your videos are concise and yet they still touch upon topics that are of interest to me. This video on installing alpine linux is brilliant. I found what you had to say easy to understand .... at no point did I find myself thinking, "yeah, whatever that's supposed to mean" .... linux commenters are stuck in their own heads to such an extent usually that they usually can't communicate with people who haven't been using linux 20 years. You are a very notable exception. I intend to watch a bunch more of your videos in the future because you can definitely teach me things I need to know. It's a rare trait ... : - )
"no bloat" and then uses flatpak...
Flatpaks are not that much bloat Snaps are much more bloat flatpak are OK
@@gto4467 Both will include redundant dependencies, which is the very definition of bloat. How about just using normal apps?
Don't get me wrong, they obviously can be useful. But if "bloat" is your reason for not using sudo or glibc, then you definitely shouldn't use any of them.
@@ksw8514 ok I agreed here with you
@@ksw8514 Don't forget that flatpak allows to create a sandboxed environment.
That’s so annoying, we need to be able to install package in multiple version and to have transitive dependencies being nicely resolved. It shouldn’t matter package a and a’ in the same system and eventually getting resolved at some point in the future
I love Alpine. It's so easy to install nowdays, and with flatpak and distrobox, I can get all the apps I use, including gaming.
Do you game from within distrobox or inside flatpak steam?
@zekodun i think nvidia and wayland sucks on every distro
@@alexstone691i game with flatpak on alpine gnome
@@alexstone691yeah, tried to install a lot of distros on new rtx 4060 ti, nothing worked 😢
@@alexstone691 wayland + nvidia, yes. nvidia itself though works pretty much fine on most distros.
As an artix user, I agree, that SystemD is easier to use, and that is mostly due to the fact that every solution to solve a problem defaults to it.
As a gentoo user having used arch and artix, I disagree, artix is difficult to get working without systemd, but gentoo is just as well supported on openrc as it is on systemd - except for some packages that depend on it (cockpit, iio-sensors-proxy, can't name any others)
@@u7w2 Yeah, I get that, from a new user standpoint though, when trying to look for solutions online, systemd is what you are gonna find more frequently.
@@u7w2 i can't speak for your experience, artix has never broken on me
There are also just some things that are completely impossible without systemD, like disk encryption with a TPM- or FIDO2 chip.
@@schneensch nothing is ever "impossible". perhaps the software for it hasnt been written yet, but one day it will
I think alpine's installer could benefit from simply asking the user if they're installing for local use (desktop) or remote use (server) and then give a temporary GUI for that kind of installation, less mistakes would be made and would surely attract more users
they follow openbsd and unix in philosophy and so it is just fine as it is...
@@RHTORAS Any installer that requires a command line to configure is by default bad, no ifs, buts, or what's about it, it's just bad, too easy to make mistakes that way
@@zxuiji i like calamares but also an openbsd type of installer is good too...
if you are systemD user you might be used to ubiquity and linux might be difficult but having options is fine imho
@@RHTORAS I use manjaro, I may be a techy person but not to the extent of fanboying over the shell. I, like any normal user, would rather a GUI any day
@@zxuiji alpine has its largest uses in containers and servers. Neither of them should have a desktop. So when installing for desktop use I believe they have struck a great compromise without making themselves much more work by providing many different images for the desktop environments.
Providing even a temporary gui comes with making the image significantly bigger because now the have to include xorg or a Wayland implementation. This is an issue when trying to install on iot or iot like devices with little ram and slow data transfer speeds (also major targets by alpine).
TL;DR
The installer is a good compromise and adding a gui comes at a significant detriment to all other use cases of alpine.
Hello there. Well i have installed alpine using the xfce DM since it is my favorite :).
Just wanted to mention a few things that folks who take one the task of switching or trying out alpine linux as a desktop os
a) some applications are rather difficult to install or will not install on the minimal linux configuration. it is based on busybox. I tried to run a obsidian appimage with no success.
b) foliate was available but never got it running. I use it to reference some epub books.
c) I fell in love with linux because it was meant for scripting and programming (IMOA). If the scripts use shebang /usr/bin/bash, there are two things to do
1. download and install bash
2. Change all scripts that have #!/usr/bin/bash to /bin/bash. Depending on the amount of scripts you have, i have approaching 100. I used sed -i '| /usr/bin/bash | /bin/bash | g' your scripts. This is very useful if combined with find command to search for your scripts and to -exec sed on each script. It took me longer typing the command than actually changing all the files :D
d) I could never get vscode installed. even if i unzipped the tar.gz like i do on other distro's if not available in package manager for OS.
Nevertheless, even with the difficulties, of rewriting certain scripts etc, and having to change my workflow (wondering if it may be more productive) to work with alpine linux. I use geany or nano/mc for scripting and viewing markdown files that i created while learning linux, like HOWTO's. So knowing my way around a computer, i am not really handcuffed in getting things done. Alpine is sweet fast simple and small. Im sure thats is the very reason it is used in docker so much as the base os. So flexible that you can create scripts etc and very good on resources. Im wondering about systemd .....hmmmm.
Thanks again for your video. it was very helpful.👍👍
14:35, separate solution, treat the hardware install as just a main layer, install vbox or something to create a vm on an external drive, something like /mnt/VMs/alpine.bin, and then declare another volume on the drive (primary or logical, doesn't matter) as /home, whenever you leave the laptop just close vbox or whatever you're using and remove the drive to bring with you, when you come back plug it back in, re-open your vm and continue normally. No matter who gets onto your computer, they won't be able to steal what is not there because it's with you. Just make sure the external drive and it's cable/s uses the latest USB standard your computer supports for that extra bit of speed
My favorite distros currently are Void and Alpine.
I wanted to try void so badly but the installation was the most frustrating thing and getting WiFi set up was a nightmare (I don't have a wired connection available right now) because of WPA Supplicant. Once I finally got Wifi working I followed the Void instructions to get Gnome or any other desktop environment working but 3 times that I tried re-installing I got death screens and had to re-install again.
Alpine just worked for me. Install was easy, it's super efficient, and I love the package manager. I honestly didn't expect that I would like Alpine this much but I'm likely going to use it for some server stuff instead of Ubuntu in the future.
@@MarkStrus I'm using Alpine for my media servers. Alpine is great, the only problem is if you need glibc applications in which one workaround seems to be to use flatpaks. I like that Void supports musl and glibc flavors - but on the desktop I opt for the glibc version for applications compatibility's sake.
@@samjiman Yeah I get that. I don't mind because there's very little I need to worry about being compatible. I'm just using this laptop for development purposes and the only apps I need to work are already in the main repo. I have all of my hardware working out of the box right now and I really just need a decent window manager, a couple of web browsers for testing, and NeoVim. Most of what I'm doing is in the terminal anyway so Alpine just feels like the perfect fit for me.
Skill issue@@MarkStrus
I like what you said at 1:43. This is the pain we have mostly in the linux community, stupid controversies and hate wars. lmao
I use Void and it has great documentation. I am considering trying alpine. Probably will. But Void is great I recommend at least trying it even if you don't want to stay.
So you need a Distro with a Security Team and you add the Community repo which IS Not unser the Security Team afaik?
I gotta say, it's a lot more interesting when a distro "review" involves installing everything from scratch instead of just clicking on the Calamres installer. I was really interested in Alpine when I first started using Linux, but it gets so little attention that I ended up with stupid Manjaro.
me too. I like Manjaro, playing with Garuda. I use LinuxMint for my audio software/media thing, but I program Rust on Manjaro. I need to do the Alpine thing.
ArchLinux actually had a nurses installer right up until about 2008/2010 but the maintainer for it quit and no one on the Arch team was willing to maintain it.
Thanks, this was so handy. Out of all the other alpine setup tutorials I watched, this has the most useful information. For example 14:06
Thanks! My good puter died so I needed something that would run on an old HP with a Sempron and 3 GBs of DDR2. Alpine is working great on this ancient low-spec machine.
Was genuinely just thinking to check if there was a recent upload... and there it is!
@22:31 - Awesome. Didn't know that was available in Arch Linux for desktop setup!
i been a loong time void user since about 2018, it honestly use to be greater than it now is, but its still fairly usable. but i tried alpine for my server and was really impressed and going to use it as my main desktop os and see how it goes
awesome, I am going to try on my laptop
thanks for the video!
Nice video. Alpine would have been a contender for my default desktop, but I can't play steam games on it, so that was a deal-breaker. But I love the efficiency of this unique distro. Artix was working great for me for some time, but Nvidia drivers don't update at the same time as 32-bit compatibility libraries, which are necessary to run steam. So once in a while steam will break for a few days. For that reason I switched to Garuda. It's more bloated, but my steam hasn't broken on me yet on Garuda.
you can use flatpak, but because of the Nvidia drivers it will be more complicated, since I think they are not compatible with musl
@@damianateiro No, the steam flatpaks still requires the proprietary Nvidia driver to run properly. Nvidia needs to make their drivers open source like AMD. My next video card is definitely going to be an AMD one.. it's simply less of a hassle.
Have you tried Bottles rather than just Steam?
@@Rood67 I have not tried bottles, but Alpine musl C library packages are not supported by Nvidia. So I would not get any good hardware acceleration without the Nvidia driver.
@@tambuchalinux I’m just starting to test Bottles, but so far it’s very promising to install any windows program I’ve thrown at it including older MMO games. Give it a shot for installing nvidia drivers along with your game
A dean VoidLinux user here, mate
What about firewallsetup? The video was very informative as always. Thanks
It's been awhile since I made this, but yes you can set up ufw. I'd also probably add the edge repos.
We want more Alpine videos.
I love your video. It is very accurate and professional
I installed Xfce, but when I rebooted the screen just went black. When I try to restart, the same thing happens again. I am not able to execute commands or bring back the command line....
Probably a LightDM breakage. If you boot into something else and edit the LightDM configuration file or check the logs. You can also try the edge repo because it's more liable to get fixes faster.
Nice channel, I’m gonna have to keep up with your vids.
I think, there's a compatibility package for stuff depending on glibc...
Gcompat is not fully compatible with Glibc.
Noice! I only ever use Alpine with Docker. Just downloaded the ISO and I'll have to add it to my multi-boot setup.
Can't recommend for GPU stuff and the native Firefox is out of date frequently, but running with the edge repos is very usable.
thanks for your great tutorial ... actually the passwd command ( within -l flag ) is not going to lock the account but rather locks the password of the named account here's the manual for passwd :
-l, --lock
Lock the password of the named account. This option disables a
password by changing it to a value which matches no possible
encrypted value (it adds a ´!´ at the beginning of the password).
Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be
able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key).
To disable the account, administrators should use usermod.
Cool, never heard of apparmor but I will give it a look.
I thought artix was literally just arch with a different init system. Aren't the packages the same? Why would it need additional maintenance? Now that I think of it... Why does it take a whole new distro just to use a different init system?
What I'm trying to say is can you make a video on init systems
Because replacement of systemd isn't painless. Some packages are dependent on it, some need additional maintenance. Artix team ensure that all packages in its repositories work well with selected init system
@@alex146 Seems like a lot of work... Do you think they actually manage to do it, or is Matt right in his suspicion?
@@misterblade5272 I extremely doubt it...even the core arch team fumbles with their shit from time to time let alone the artix team...
@@misterblade5272 Artix is great, I've been using it for a year now.
The packages are always being updated quickly (for example, the default Arch kernel is currently on 6.2.8 while the default Artix kernel is currently on 6.2.6) and there have been no breakages or manual interventions needed in the entire time (aside from once when some packages which are required to be able to use the Arch community repository were moved to a different repo but the manual intervention in this case was a simple reinstall of two packages). The fact that the packages are held back for a short amount of time also contributes to the overall stability (had I been using Arch in that time I would've gotten an unbootable system at least two times) but they aren't held back long enough to cause any problems when using the AUR (contrary to Manjaro).
As a matter of fact, Artix is so good that you kind of forget that you're not on vanilla Arch (which is what the purpose of Artix is).
Systemd it's not only an init system since it runs various other services, the thing is that there are packages now (therefore, applications/software) that relies on some of this things systemd does, so yeah, you need additional maintenance if you want to have a repo with only systemd-free packages, neofetch for example would be the exact same package and need the exact same things on both Arch or Artix, yet the vanilla GNOME DE would require systemd, unless you compile the systemd-free one Gentoo makes, cheers!.
You are clear Compatible for me. TANK YOU.
have you used flatpak steam to run your games on Alpine?
I have only succeeded in running on ultra low-spec computers that had no business gaming. I couldn't even get TH-cam videos to play, but GNOME Mines worked...
@@Trafotin interesting but flatpak seems to be the go to for me for GUI Apps
Firefox and steam work pretty well with out the systemd for speed
I wanted to use AlpineLinux as a microcontroller development environment, but I installed Gcompat and libc++, and added the missing library apk from the installation warning, but was unable to successfully install Microchip's MPLAB IDE X.
Getting rid of GNU bloat warms my heart
Hmm
Bloat is just a buzzword for "I don't like it." 😂
glibc is faster
@@c3cxlaIt's also not forward compatible, doesn't support static linking, has a less readable codebase, is a much bigger install and uses a lot more RAM than musl
There's always tradeoffs, although glibc would be a million times better if it was just fucking forward compatible. Glibc singlehandedly makes binary distribution on Linux a shitshow.
In summary, while musl and glibc are crucial components of the Linux operating system, they are not directly related to GPU utilization for gaming. Focus on graphics libraries, APIs, drivers, and the hardware itself when looking to optimize gaming performance on a GPU. No?
Don't game on Alpine. There's no easy way to get GPUs working except AMD and even then, you need to pull some Gentoo class operation and compile AMD's GPU drivers, so you might as well run Gentoo. If you are content with a mini PC or integrated graphics, Alpine will work great.
Was tempted to install Alpine following your video, on an old Dell 630 dual core laptop I have lying around, Went with FreeBSD instead. Have used Alpine in the context of LXD containers. The lack of virtualisation tools to run in Virtualbox or KVM/Qemu is annoying as you say.
I was able to setup a vm with alpine linux. I use kvm and qemu and actually have it running on my server and linking to it as a client. Even with the limit bandwidth, it runs very well. im using alpine xfce and its beautiful.
Artix is all what we are loving about arch but without systemd
what's the point of artix when XBPS is superior anyway.
@@c3cxla Void seems to be quite abandoned, at least from time to time is while in Artix you can use main Arch's stuff if you wish
@@c3cxla My distro is better than your's because it serves my purpose. 😘
@@alex146 what exactly do you mean by abandoned? Void has up to date packages and the iso works without issues. Void doesn't need a new iso every week if it updates without issues form the current iso.
@@kim-hendrikmerk4163 as far as I know, the lead maintainer had left the project with sort of drama a few years ago. Now there is a small team who works on it. There are lots of outdated packages. Anyways it is quite niche distro and it doesn't seems that its development is quite fast
Pointless if you're just going to install GNOME, Flatpaks etc.
How?
Again...how????
Nuh uh
LIAR liar pants on fire!
I'm trying to install Alpine on a little old netbook and running into the same problem I had when I first installed Arch: apparently the ability to connect to the internet (wifi or ethernet) from a laptop is too much to ask for in the basic goddamn installer. So now I'm back to trying desperately to remember how this worked the last time.
Yay i know wahr you mean it hapend to me on aicent laptop
Are you running the install script or setting it up manually? You shouldn't have any issues with the script.
good video!!!
mate is it safe to use at work (pc's old and slow)
what about gaming on this distro? like with proton/dxvk , mesa, lutris, heroic launcher, steam... is it feasible? or is anything going to stop me from setting those up?
like musl lib for example...
GPU doesn't really work and Nvidia requires glibc in order to run in general, so not very good. It's very good at basic tasks.
@@Trafotin ty that is good to know!
void linux is my daily os on x230
Please, make a tutorial on installation alongside Windows! I couldn't find a video tutorial yet and wiki instructions are unclear. I'm trying to do it for the second night, but I can't make the installer see the partitions of sda. I tried following a tutorial for Arch, but with little success - they are different distros after all.
Use a second M.2 chip or hard drive, then follow the video. Windows tends to just break anything on the same disk it's installed on. Avoid the hassle and use a second drive.
I can hear Richard Stallman swearing at the title of this one 😂🤣
Your video is fine wine.
Why should you give a standard user admin rights? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought its advantage was not having all permissions?!? Other than that nice that you went into detail on for example username.
This is what every Linux system does because you don't want to run at root all the time. This is why Windows is a security nightmare when it comes to it requiring you to be admin for everything.
WTF I LOVE HITMAN REBORN, I WAS WATCHING IT BEFORE THIS VIDEO AND I THOUGHT MY WINDOWS GLITCHED LOL
23:47 it depends in the desktop I heard/read.
Awesome video Trafotin!
How is firefox outdated? Outdated in the sense that by default on Alpine it’s outdated or
The version in stable is frequently behind on updates. An alternative is to use the Flatpak or spin up a openSUSE or Fedora Distrobox with Firefox. Truthfully, I have not tried the edge repos, but they might be a better place to live.
@@Trafotin OK makes more sense.. I also have noticed besides more updated packages in edge repo there is a lot more packages like Chocolate doom is only available in testing repo of edge
I'm hype on musl. No python unless I want it. I want to build out Alpine on btrfs and make a desktop daily driver... in any way possible. Glibc has had so many cve patches. Glibc is like openssl, how long can you stare at the patch history before you raise some important questions? Maybe musl has just fallen under the radar.
@7:34 Yes, dudebro, but those days of smug elitism are gone, since Arch received a guided installer. 👍
@9:17 Ah, so you redirect the root user to the no_login shell and install sudo, right?
Hah, i’ve been struggling to get this going. This is timely.
trafotin is a badass
Gentoo only TaKeS 16 hOUrs tO CompILE if you have a PC from 2006
If it takes 10 minutes to compile, that's still too long for me. The little time you save on apps compiled "optimally" for your hardware, you waste way more time on compilation.
It's an enormous waste of power and time, there's a reason that source-based package managers are few and far between.
I've tried Gentoo (on a pretty decent laptop) and taking several hours to install and update something as ubiquitous as a browser (and even longer for the kernel) is ridiculous.
Maybe it would be somewhat practical if you didn't use a single piece of software written in C++ or Rust, good luck doing that though.
Didn't look at MXLinux?
Thank you that was very helpful.
I am wondering if I could run pi hole on alpine linux? If there is a way could you make a video about that?
I like this bro. Subd
Excuse ME princess! 😂 I’m just watching for entertainment and I’m not installing alpine. You’re a funny guy
isnt doas installed on alpine by default?
no
ooboontoo chads stays winning
XFCE MATTERS!
Ok?
you should try Alpine Linux or Debian
Debian uses systemd
@@sean7221 devuan
@@sean7221you can use devuan if you hate systemd
Kool
20:05 That’s wrong. You also get `ed`.
Alpine Can Cure Distro Hoping???
could you please make a tutorial, on how to install sway on alpine standard? Without X-related packages
It's the same as it is on most other distros, just do it with apk.
You don't like libre distros cuz proprietary doesn't work, but you are trying out a musl one where half of everything doesn't work??? You don't like source distros, but you are masochistic enough to mess with VMs/containers (on a musl distro no less) where to share a directory between the vm and host OS requires a PHD. Or use containers yes, I want to duplicate half of my libraries for every app installed and then mount a new filesystem so I can then go through an other software layer to finally launch my app, more slowly, with a chance of not integrating with the OS properly??? And systemd is far easier to use??? Most desktop users would not need to touch the init, maybe enable 1 service (one command on all inits), that is if you don't encounter one of the many bugs it has in it's 1.5+ mil lines codebase (runit has 1k and does the exact same thing) like deleting all your data (yes that existed). Shady af, like your logic of distro choices.
And don't just glance over Void linux with 0 effort to understand it. It has enough users. Every distro has a problem, but as of 2024 there is nothing more sane than Void.
Yes, but I don't want to have to open fdisk, configure my partitions, only to watch the installer fail after. Please do not make assumptions about what I do.
Damn dude calm down it's just Linux
@@NeonSonOfXenon yeah... :D
The slim Alpine linux was immediately made obese by Gnome.
i called my username "yes" lol
Not funny.
Wow you dont wanna wait 4days to update your system????!!!
You must value your time and Not be a linux user /s
so its debian again and minimal install. linux without GNU? lol
En tu página web "I haven’t figured out how to get Spice working properly on Alpine. If someone knows, let me know down in the comments on TH-cam or Odysee."
He hecho algunas pruebas y funciona copiar/pegar hostguest
Pasar archivos de host->guest con ratón, arrastrar y soltar
.....
Host debian 12 y guest Alpine 3.20
# rc-service spice-vdagnetd start
$ spice-vdagent
...
Si pongo rc-update add vdagnetd boot -- NO funciona
Si pongo rc-update add vdagentd ---- NO funciona
Disculpa por no escribir en inglés. Un saludo!
Gracias por tu comentario! Voy a probar esto. Yo se un pequito español...
if you ask me vi is dog poo
Very fine video, which is surprising considering that Vtuber avatar lmaaooooo
So no gnu, maximum Facebook created software? And this is a good thing? Ridiculous.
Facebook?
What?
gnome is not desktop.
Does it use systemd? i can't stand systemd!
No
how to delete gnome?
@@Trafotin you're cool))
I'm a moron it's # apk del gnome-desktop
@@Trafotin double thanks)
@@Trafotin it doesn't work(, also i've tried to use with "doas"
To tiny font
Alpine has a lot of breakages and bugs. I tried to use it, but switched to mainline arch as it was more stable.
Alpine is a stable security focused independent point release distribution. Are you sure you don't mean artix, a systemd less arch based distro?
well here's the deal...
SystemD is easy well this is kinda true but false too
is it easier than sysVinit ? Nope! sysV is widely used
there are better options than systemD like dinit or runit+66 but some folks are lazy and stay with the bloat and vulnerable systemD
alpine is not the best nosystemD distro and yes
Void is better (glibc, runit+66, bigger repos) as is Devuan (debian with freedom and security)
artix was good but now i find it mediocre
also antix is good
or adelie which similar to alpine as is chimera linux
copying guides doesn't make you better and linux is here to make you better
the best distro is something debateable
but i think void is close to be the best distro imho
btw i use void, devuan, alpine, openbsd and alt with sysVinit from time to time
> Calls systemD "bloated" and "vulnerable" when it's literally one of the most used and trusted pieces of software worldwide
> Recommends unknown and untrusted hobby projects instead, that are probably less secure (I think Devuan doesn't even include Microcode updates by default?)
@@schneensch Calls winDows "bloated" and "vulnerable" when it's literally one of the most used and trusted pieces of software worldwide
Recommends unknown (to windows users) and untrusted (by ms and idiots) hobby (development is hobby afterall) projects instead, that are probably less secure (compared to Fort Knox)
YES I DO
Th updates are danderous ATTACKS.
I cant connect to the internet 😢
why
same, dns lookup error. how to fix?
What do you mean Firefox is outdated?
Alpine's native package lags behind the current version of Firefox. You can't run snaps on Alpine, so Flatpak is your best option.
Alpine would be the best if it supported systemd.
I have NO idea how to do that kind of stuff.. so this one leaves me OUt.. as most of the KEYBANGING BS does.. -and NO- I dio NOT want to learn.. too old, can't see- and HATE TEXT..
I had a Windows laptop commercial before the video
🤣 You can always use Alpine in a container on Windows!